I do not know what NY had for records but I find it hard to believe that someone was born in a hospital in 1868. Most people were born at home in that time frame. I would see if NY has birth records for the year and search any number of combinations of names to try and find her birth. Most births were reported to the local officials after the birth and were recorded that way.
Rick
Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire
Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores
From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Machado
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas
I have come to seek wisdom from the group. Recently, I have hit a wall with one of my branches. The ancestor nearest me is Mary Agnes Silva (married William Perry). She was born in Buffalo, NY Jan 24, 1868. Her parents were Joseph Silva and Mary Roderick. I have no records of birth, only the death cert to confirm. In 1869, I find the family in Oakland, CA, with a new son named Joseph. Interestingly, Joseph’s name on the internment records is Joseph Dyce. Also, his death cert is Joseph Dyce with mothers maiden name as Mary Roderick. So that fits. Fast forward to the 1880 Oakland, CA census she is now married to Joseph Nichols and living next door to a family of Roderick’s. I have to assume it’s her brother. Her mother was also living with the brother I believe. All are buried at the same cemetery. All I believe are from the Azores. I would like to find from where in the Azores. I have searched Ancestry at nausea, Google, news archives, library of congress and so on. Anyone have ideas or connections? I can’t find any info on Joseph Silva the biological father. I assume only the birth record of Mary Agnes Silva would include that info, but she was born in 1868 Buffalo, NY, hospital unknown. Mary Roderick (Silva, Dyce, Nichols) died in Oakland in 1901. The death was only recorded on ledger and gives simple info. Thanks for reading…
John Machado
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----- Original Message -----From: John MachadoSent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:21 PMSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research IdeasI have come to seek wisdom from the group. Recently, I have hit a wall with one of my branches. The ancestor nearest me is Mary Agnes Silva (married William Perry). She was born in Buffalo, NY Jan 24, 1868. Her parents were Joseph Silva and Mary Roderick. I have no records of birth, only the death cert to confirm. In 1869, I find the family in Oakland, CA, with a new son named Joseph. Interestingly, Joseph’s name on the internment records is Joseph Dyce. Also, his death cert is Joseph Dyce with mothers maiden name as Mary Roderick. So that fits. Fast forward to the 1880 Oakland, CA census she is now married to Joseph Nichols and living next door to a family of Roderick’s. I have to assume it’s her brother. Her mother was also living with the brother I believe. All are buried at the same cemetery. All I believe are from the Azores. I would like to find from where in the Azores. I have searched Ancestry at nausea, Google, news archives, library of congress and so on. Anyone have ideas or connections? I can’t find any info on Joseph Silva the biological father. I assume only the birth record of Mary Agnes Silva would include that info, but she was born in 1868 Buffalo, NY, hospital unknown. Mary Roderick (Silva, Dyce, Nichols) died in Oakland in 1901. The death was only recorded on ledger and gives simple info. Thanks for reading…John Machado
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I have an old family photo, written on the back is "Joe Nichols and Mary Esabel Rodrigues Silva Nichols" and "step father and mother of Mary Agnes Silva Perry". Perry being her husbands surname. So that tells me at least two husbands. Joseph Silva and Joseph Dyce may be one in the same, however. The I. Roderick that Susan eluded to in the 1880 census I think is a brother to Mary E. Roderick. I don't believe it's shear coicendence but who knows. I did a search of Oakland records before and found an Issac Roderick. Thank you all for helping'
GASPAR LOUISE IMELDA 1883 09 27 MARKS HENAS FEMALE CA ALAMEDA 1953 02 14 69 1291472
DIAS MARY ISABEL 1870 01 23 MARKS RODGUES FEMALE RE ALAMEDA 1944 08 28 74 364799
HENAS JOSEPH ALOYSIUS 1876 01 27 MARK HENAS MALE CA ALAMEDA 1955 04 20 550227042 79 1527403
If you can scan the photos and post them, I d like to see if they match any of the photos from my great grandfathers collection I have. He was from Cedros also, from the Rodrigues Vieira family and related through his sisters to the Da Silveira.
It's a really small town, and he was in Oakland in the 1880s, then back to Mass, and settled back in Oakland about 1900. He worked for the Oakland Wharf at one time. Both Inacio Rodrigues and Joseph Nicolas show up in the city directories working there also.
Eric Edgar
All I can say is wow and thank you.
I do have two old pictures and on the back are the follwoing words.Picture 1: Jose Nichols and Mary Isabel Rodrigues Pereira Silva Nichols, mother and step father of Mary Agnes Silva Pereira. (my note: Pereira being the surname of Mary Agnes Pereira's husband. Maybe Mary Isabel(Esabel) father was also a Pereira?)Picture 2: Great Grand Mother and Great Grandfather, Pereira / Rodrigues, parents of Mary Esabella Rodrigues Silva Nichols. Aunt Clara is in the middle.I have attached both photo backs.There has to be at least 2 marriages with the words "step father" being included on the photo 1.I found a George Nichols that matches date of death and age of death in the Alameda County Death ledger. Also, found Mary E. Nichols. Not sure if George is Jose but it is interesting.In regards to the 1880 Census record where Joseph Nichols and Mary E. Nichols is listed next door to a I Roderick, I had to assume they were related. Do you think it is pure coincidence or would you also concluded a relation. I reviewed your research regarding I. Rodrigues/Roderick and it is compelling. I am trying to think of anything else I may have that might help you. All I have left are the death certs for the children Mary Agnes Silva and Joseph Dyce. Both have the mother as Mary Roderick and the father(s) as Joseph Silva and Joseph Dyce respectively.Thanks,John
Guess who Mary Agnes Silva (daughter of Mary E.Nichols/Silva) married? Guilherme Francisco Pereira aka William F. Perry. So that fits perfectly with a W. Perry being at the same address. I will attach the bio of William Perry. I still have a hard time wrapping my head around all the name changes. Ok so my next step is to find a marriage record of Mary E. Roderick to Joseph Silva. I presume it occured Cedros, Flores.So they would have married. Then came to the USA. Mary possibly pregnant during the voyage gives birth in Buffalo, New York to Mary Agnes Silva in 1868. They move within the year to California, Mary gives birth to Joseph Silva (1869) who eventually renames to Joseph Dyce. I presume Joseph Silva the father either dies or divorces Mary E. Roderick. She at some point marries Joseph Nichols. Joseph Nichols dies 15 Sep 1893. Mary E. Nichols dies 04 Nov 1901.The Daughter: Mary Agnes Silva marries William F. Perry roughly in 1887 California. William F. Perry is from Criacao Velha, Magdalena. His father was originally from Angústias, Faial and grandmother from Lajes, Flores.I will also attach the cemetery plot record which lists everyone together.Thank you again,
Edgar,Yes, John's Tree is mine. After reinstalling my op system and FTM my tree would no longer sync properly so I had to reupload, link and share. Tree Link That should take you to the correct one. I was thinking that one possible explanation of Joseph Nichols showing up in the 1894 Great Registrar is that maybe he died shortly after registering. If the Joseph Nichols in my tree, who died in Sept 1893 (as evidenced by the internment log) it could be possible that the great registrar was produced the previous year and finally printed in 1894? I am confident on the birth location of Mary Agnes Silva based on her death record. Further evidence is based on the bio I attached earlier of her husband William Perry. It states the same information. I have not found any other documentation ie. birth certificates, marriage records or census records for NY.John.
Edgar,Yes, John's Tree is mine. After reinstalling my op system and FTM my tree would no longer sync properly so I had to reupload, link and share. Tree Link That should take you to the correct one. I was thinking that one possible explanation of Joseph Nichols showing up in the 1894 Great Registrar is that maybe he died shortly after registering. If the Joseph Nichols in my tree, who died in Sept 1893 (as evidenced by the internment log) it could be possible that the great registrar was produced the previous year and finally printed in 1894? I am confident on the birth location of Mary Agnes Silva based on her death record. Further evidence is based on the bio I attached earlier of her husband William Perry. It states the same information. I have not found any other documentation ie. birth certificates, marriage records or census records for NY.John.
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Eric,Your requested photos.
Eric,Your requested photos.
I know nothing of Aunt Clara. If I knew who created the notation on the back of the picture I could pin down which generation. I am also trying to figure out what it says at the bottom, "Mother Nichols between mom ....". I believe it was written by my grand mother Maureen. IF thats the case, Clara would be a sister of Catherine or of her husband George Vargas.JohnPS. I sent you a tree link via email.
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