Ships Records

[Jacki]

Hi, I am new to the group. I am hoping that someone can point me in
the right direction. My grandfather, Jose A. Medeiros (1898-1979) came
to the US from Faial when he was about 7. I only know that they came
into the Boston area and then traveled by train to the west coast. How
do I, or where can I, find the ship that they came on?

Ultimately, I am trying to find out what village they were from on
Faial.

Jacki

[Cheri Mello]

Jacki,

You will need to check the Boston arrivals as well as the Ellis Island arrivals.  More info on how to do that can be found here:
http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/HowTo.html
(Scroll down to "Passenger Arrival Lists.")

Records from the Azores are starting to come online, but nothing from Faial yet.  Once you exhaust your U.S. sources, you might consider hiring a researcher to look at the port of Horta, Faial, in their ships lists leaving the Azores.   A list of researchers for hire can be found here:
http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/azoresindex.html#researchers

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[Genealogy]

Hi Jacki,
You might want to look at arrivals from Providence, R.I. My family,
paternal and maternal, arrived from Terceira in Providence, also took
the train to Gustine, CA.

Joaquin Mendon�a

[rfrancis...@comcast.net]

 

 

Hi Jacki

 

If your grandfather was Naturalized then his Petition for Naturalization would provide a wealth of information as to his arrival in the US.  

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, New Hampshire, USA

Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores                                           for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha

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[Jacki G.]

First, thank you all for the ideas.

 

Rick,

 

How would I go about finding his petition?  My mother says she thinks it was somewhere around 1926 but she's not sure. The only absolute was that he was living in California in the San Francisco Bay Area at the time. The family had his birth certificate from Faial at one point, but since his and my grandmother's deaths, no one knows where it went or remembers how it was obtained. I have never seen it as it was lost long before I started my research unfortunately.

 

Jacki

Pittsburg, California, USA

Family names: Medeiros, Machado, Pacheco, Perreira, Fernandes

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[rfrancis...@comcast.net]

Hi Jacki,

 

First check the 1930 US Census to see if he was a Citizen. If he was then depending on where he lived the court that had jurisdiction at the time would have the records. Many immigrants did not apply for citizenship until the late 1930’s when social security was started. At that time you had to be a US citizen to get social security.  

 

Citizen ship records could be in a state district court such as records for Attleboro, MA up till the 1940’s were kept at the Taunton district Court and then transferred to the State Archives in Boston. Later records in the 1950’s were done in Federal courts and are now in the Federal Archives in Waltham MA.

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[Jacki G.]

The 1930 census says what looks like Pd. I am assuming that that may mean "pending". I was able to find the manifest of the ship that he arrived on last night and there is  a notation on it with a date of April 1938. Another researcher told me that was made by the immigration dept. My mother keeps saying that she thought is was in the late twenties but I called my aunt last night and she said she thought she was around 12 when he became a citizen and she was born in 1927. That would be right in line with the 1938 notation. She also said they had to go to San Francisco for it. There is a regional center in San Bruno which is about 15 miles south so I guess I will start there. The strange thing though, is, I have a copy of his application for a Soc Sec. number. He did that in Dec 1936. How would he have gotten a number if he wasn't a citizen yet? Maybe they didn't actually issue it until 1938?

 

Thanks for the help

Jacki

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[Cheri Mello]

Jacki,

Pd. is not a code for that column.  It's PA (Pa) for Papers filed, NA (Na) for Naturalized, and AL (Al) for Alien.

Can you say where you found your ancestor on the 1930 so another pair of eyes can take a look?

You didn't have to be a citizen to have Social Security.

[Iris Bilodeau]

Speaking of Ships Records, I have a book called "Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii".  Compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr.  1993.  If anyone has names you want me to look up, let me know. Iris Cabral Bilodeau --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records

[Jacki G.]

Cheri,

 

Well that would make sense. They are listed as "illegible" when you search for them but here are the details:

 

Fifteenth Census of the United States, 1930.
State: California
County: CONTRA COSTA
Browse Description: TWP. 16
Enumeration District: 7-56
Description: TWP. 16 AND BAY POINT, NICHOLS, AND CLYDE VILLAGES
Sheet Number: 3A

 

They are house # 50

 

Josef Medeiros (his name was really Jose)

Mary Medeiros

Lorraine Medeiros

 

Thank you

 

Jacki

Pittsburg, California, USA

Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Azevedo

 

 

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[Cheri Mello]

Jacki,

I ran it through Ancestry with no problem.  They have him indexed as Medeiros.

The census says he immigrated in 1910 and he has filed his papers to become a citizen.

Where was Jose in 1920 and was he in America for the 1910 census (census day was Apr. 15th 1910)?

[Jacki G.]

Iris,

 

If you have time, I would greatly appreciate you looking up Luiz and Roza Fernandes and their son Manuel and possibly another son Jose. I found an index card for them in June of 1882 on the SS Monarch but have been unable to find the actual manifest. I am pretty sure that this is my g great grandfather Manuel Fernandes and his parents and brother. If I could find more info about them, I could be more sure. According to Roza's death cert and the info from one of the census' she immigrated somewhere between 1880 and 1885 with her husband and at least one son. She was born Jan 1859 and her son was born Aug 1878. I don't know any dates for Luiz.

 

Thank you

 

Jacki

Pittsburg, California, USA

Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perreira, Azevedo

Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel

 

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[Iris Bilodeau]

Aloha Jacki, This is what I have on page 220:   #204 Fernandes, Luiz age 40.  Arrived Hawaii on the Monarch in 1882 from Sao Miguel. With wife Roza de Jesus age 25. Children: Manoel (no age) and Jose 4months.   Hope this helps Jacki. Iris Cabral Bilodeau. --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Jacki G. <ja...@cdmmarketing.com> wrote:

[Jacki G.]

Cheri,

 

He actually immigrated in 1906. He arrived in Boston on 8/6/1906 headed for Martinez, CA.  So, yes, he was here for the 1910 census. He would have been in the Martinez area for both 1910 and 1920. Which is about 15 miles west of where he was in the 1930 census. In 1920 he would have still been living with his parents. He didn't marry until 1925. His parents names were Manuel and Mary/Maria Medeiros and he had a brother named Manuel and two sisters, Mary/Maria and Lizzy (Alice). Lizzy was born in Martinez. The others were all born in the Azores.

 

Thank you for clarifying his citizenship status

 

Thank you

 

Jacki

Pittsburg, California, USA

Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perriera, Azevedo

Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel

 

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[Jacki G.]

Mahalo Iris

 

That does help. It gives me an approximate year of birth for Luiz and Jose. I haven't been able yet to find Luiz on any census and I didn't know that Jose existed before two days ago.

 

Do you know if that would that be the island of Ohau where they arrived?

 

Thank you

 

Jacki

Pittsburg, California, USA

Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perriera, Azevedo

Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel

 

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2.18 PM
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[Iris Bilodeau]

Aloha again Jacki G.   I don't know which island the ships landed.  My guess would be Oahu first then some were taken to other islands.  Two sets of my great-grandparents eventually landed on Maui. But my Oliveira great grandparents went to Kauai before Maui.  Have you tried contacting The Portuguese Genealogical & Historical Society of Hawaii? 810 North Vineyard Blvd., Rm 11 Honolulu, Hawaii,  96817 808 841-5044 or Doris at 808-455-2142. It's only $10 a year dues to be a member.   Here is what it says about the Steamship Monarch in "The Portuguese in Hawaii" by John Henry Felix, Ph.D.  (out of print) #7.  Steamship Monarch (British) arrived Sept 15, 1882, 57 days out from St. Michael (Sao Miguel), Azores, with 202 men, 197 women, 458 children. Mele Kalikimaka, Iris

[eric edgar]

Jacki,

 

Here is the passport out of Ponta Delgada for this family. Luiz Fernades is at line 347. This what I get from it. Lots of abbreviations, not certain. Hope some others

 

offer their thoughts. It's the parents names I'm unsure of.

 

Luiz Fernandes

 

for parents- father - Jose Mattos Fernandes  mother-Antonia Jacinta

 

age of applicant - 39 years

 

Concelho- PD for Ponta Degada

 

Freguesia-FC for Faja de Cima

 

Occupation- Campones- peasant

 

persons traveling with- Rosa de Jesus, 25 years , Manuel 4 years, Jose , 6 months

 

number of people traveling-4

 

Eric Edgar

[eric edgar]

Jacki,

 

The date on the file card of June 8 1882, is incorrect. The ship SS Monarch arrived in Hawaii 2 Jul 1882, 57 days out of Sao Miguel . It would have left port the first week of May, and been

 

rounding South America at that time.  The manifest might not be available, but the Oakland FHC has the films of the Portuguese Consulate registering immigrants at Honolulu

 

 

	1, On shelf
Call	Film 1017125
Author	Portugal. Consulado Geral (Honolulu)
Title	Ship passenger lists, 1878-1913
Series	Language: Text in Portuguese.
Subject	1. Hawaii - Emigration and immigration 2. Portugal - Emigration and immigration 3. Portugal, Funchal - Emigration and immigration 4. Portugal, Angra do Heroísmo - Emigration and immigration 5. Portugal, Horta - Emigration and immigration 6. Portugal, Ponta Delgada - Emigration and immigration 7. Portuguese - Hawaii
Summary	Livro de matrícula de cidadãos portugueses em Hawaii. Registration of Portuguese citizens arriving in Hawaii. Lists include some personal information about each of the persons registered.
Notes	1017125 - - - - - - - - - - - Ship passenger lists, 1878-1913
	1321135 Item 17 * - - - - Two pages omitted in error from above film

-- Eric Edgar

[Jacki G.]

Wow Eric!

 

Thank you so much!  I would never have been able to find that on my own. If not for any other reason, I don't speak/read portuguese. (Yet anyway. I'm working to fix that) I don't have to tell you how incredible it feels when these discoveries are made. Also thank you for the info for the FHC in Oakland. I should be able to have the FHC in Concord order it so I don't have to drive so far. If not, it'll be a road trip to Oak.

 

Thank you Again

 

 

Jacki

Pittsburg, California, USA

Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perriera, Azevedo

Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel

 

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[Jacki G.]

Eric,

 

Do you or does anyone else know what this means?

 

Freguesia-FC for Faja de Cima

 

It translates as Clientele from above Faja

 

Would that be where he worked?

 

 

Jacki

Pittsburg, California, USA

Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perriera, Azevedo

Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel

 

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[Cheri Mello]

Jacki,

We don't translate the word fregueisa because it comes out weird. So we just say village.  Someone has probably abbreviated Faja de Cima as FC.

[eric edgar]

Jacki,

 

This where the family is from. When you order films at the FHC this the place to look for. In Faja Cima the church records are for Nossa Senhora da Olveira.

 

A concelho is like a county, a group of towns.

 

A fregusia is the town .  Faja means fan but refers to the fan shaped area built up by eroding soil. This gives a flat place to farm and/or build houses. It's commonly seen as a place

 

 name all over the Azores. ( Faja Grande, Fajazinha,Faja do Joao Dias, Faja dos Cubres)

 

So it would be the top  or upper faja. Faja de Cima, is next to Faja de Baixo, the lower, bottom, or at the base.

 

 

 Here is a map from Doug Holmes Portuguese Geneaolgy Master list site. You can look through the postings there to see if others are researching this family also.

 
http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/ponta-delgada.html

 

Eric

[Iris Bilodeau]

Jacki, I called Doris Naumu and she said all the ships that sailed Portuguese to Hawaii landed first on Oahu.  They had to be "cleared" before they were let on shore.  Smaller boats took on immigrants to other islands. Iris Nevada City, CA searching Sao Miguel, Cabral, Oliveira

[Jacki G]

Iris,

 

Thank you, that was really nice of you.

 

I have been trying to find Luiz on a census but no luck so far. I don't know how long they stayed there before moving onto California.  He could have only been on either 1890 or 1900 because he and his son Manuel (my g grandfather) were dead by the time the 1910 census happened. I found Roza and Manuels wife and daughters in 1910 in Oakland, CA. I know that Manuel was killed 8/16/09 in a quarry explosion but I have no idea so far what happened to Luiz and when.

 

Jacki

Pittsburg, California, USA

Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perriera, Azevedo

Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel

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[Jacki G]

Eric,

 

Thank you. That definitely makes more sense.

 

Jacki

Pittsburg, California, USA

Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perriera, Azevedo

Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel

From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eric edgar

Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:43 PM

[IslandRoutes]

Jacki,
I see someone answered your question. Yes, all ships first went to
Honolulu where the people were process. The Portuguese immigrants
went through the Portuguese Consulate and were recorded in those
logs. Those logs are on microfilm with the LDS church. The consulate
logs are a good resource because the bridge the gap. The passporte
records says who applied to leave for Hawaii, the ship manifest tells
you who was on board ship, and the consulate log tells you who
arrived--sometimes including names not on the other records such as
children born on the voyage.

As you are looking for Portuguese Hawaiians, have you visited
mywebsite. www.yourislandroutes.com? I have indexes to Portuguese
Hawaiian Memories, Robert DeMello's Azorean passports, as well as some
other records. There is also alot of general information on genealogy
and heritage.

Thanks,
Mel

On Dec 11, 7:58 pm, "Jacki G" <ja...@cdmmarketing.com> wrote:
> Iris,
>
> Thank you, that was really nice of you.
>
> I have been trying to find Luiz on a census but no luck so far. I don't know
> how long they stayed there before moving onto California.  He could have
> only been on either 1890 or 1900 because he and his son Manuel (my g
> grandfather) were dead by the time the 1910 census happened. I found Roza
> and Manuels wife and daughters in 1910 in Oakland, CA. I know that Manuel
> was killed 8/16/09 in a quarry explosion but I have no idea so far what
> happened to Luiz and when.
>
> Jacki
> Pittsburg, California, USA
> Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perriera, Azevedo
> Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel
>
>   _____  
>

> From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> eric edgar
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10.42 PM
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records/Hawaii
>
> Jacki,
>
> Here is the passport out of Ponta Delgada for this family. Luiz Fernades is
> at line 347. This what I get from it. Lots of abbreviations, not certain.
> Hope some others
>
> offer their thoughts. It's the parents names I'm unsure of.
>
> Luiz Fernandes
>
> for parents- father - Jose Mattos Fernandes  mother-Antonia Jacinta
>
> age of applicant - 39 years
>
> Concelho- PD for Ponta Degada
>
> Freguesia-FC for Faja de Cima
>
> Occupation- Campones- peasant
>
> persons traveling with- Rosa de Jesus, 25 years , Manuel 4 years, Jose , 6
> months
>
> number of people traveling-4
>
> Eric Edgar
>

> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Iris Bilodeau <irisca...@yahoo.com

>
> <http://us.mc542.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=irisca...@yahoo.com> > wrote:
>
> Aloha Jacki,
> This is what I have on page 220:
>
> #204 Fernandes, Luiz age 40.  Arrived Hawaii on the Monarch in 1882 from Sao
> Miguel.
> With wife Roza de Jesus age 25.
> Children: Manoel (no age) and Jose 4months.
>
> Hope this helps Jacki.
> Iris Cabral Bilodeau.
>
> --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Jacki G. <ja...@cdmmarketing.com

> <http://us.mc542.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ja...@cdmmarketing.com> >

> wrote:
>
> From: Jacki G. <ja...@cdmmarketing.com
> <http://us.mc542.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ja...@cdmmarketing.com> >
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records/Hawaii
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
> <http://us.mc542.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=azo...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 11:19 AM
>
> Iris,
>
> If you have time, I would greatly appreciate you looking up Luiz and Roza
> Fernandes and their son Manuel and possibly another son Jose. I found an
> index card for them in June of 1882 on the SS Monarch but have been unable
> to find the actual manifest. I am pretty sure that this is my g great
> grandfather Manuel Fernandes and his parents and brother. If I could find
> more info about them, I could be more sure. According to Roza's death cert
> and the info from one of the census' she immigrated somewhere between 1880
> and 1885 with her husband and at least one son. She was born Jan 1859 and
> her son was born Aug 1878. I don't know any dates for Luiz.
>
> Thank you
>
> Jacki
> Pittsburg, California, USA
> Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perreira, Azevedo
> Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel
>
>   _____  
>

> From: azo...@googlegroups.com
> <http://us.mc542.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=azo...@googlegroups.com>
> [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com
> <http://us.mc542.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=azo...@googlegroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of Iris Bilodeau
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8.14 AM
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
> <http://us.mc542.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=azo...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records/Hawaii
>
> Speaking of Ships Records, I have a book called "Portuguese Immigrants to
> Hawaii".  Compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr.  1993.  If anyone has names you
> want me to look up, let me know.
> Iris Cabral Bilodeau
>

> --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com
>
> <http://us.mc542.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gfsche...@gmail.com> > wrote:

>
> From: Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com
> <http://us.mc542.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gfsche...@gmail.com> >
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records
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> <http://us.mc542.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=azo...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 8:54 PM
>
> Jacki,
>
> Pd. is not a code for that column.  It's PA (Pa) for Papers filed, NA (Na)
> for Naturalized, and AL (Al) for Alien.
>
> Can you say where you found your ancestor on the 1930 so another pair of
> eyes can take a look?
>
> You didn't have to be a citizen to have Social Security.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
> Achada
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[Shirley Allegre]

Hi:  I am just now reading your correspondence.  This is what I found:

 

From:  IMMIGRATION FROM AZORES TO HAWAII 1879-1883.   (Author Bob de Mello)

Page 144   bottom of page.   

 

FERNANDES, Luis,    age 39

Father:  Jose de Medieros Fernandes

Mother:  Antonia Jacinta

From F. (Faja) de Cima

WIFE;

Rose de Jesus,   age 25

CHILDREN

Manual 4,  Jose 6 months

#347 Monarch

 

From:  CONSULADO GERAL DE PORTUGAL EM HAWAII

 

#895   Luiz Fernandes ,  age 39

from?  Ponta Delgada

Married with: 

Rosa de Jesus,  age 25

CHILDREN

Manuel 4

Jose  6 months

 

 

Jacki:  I see that you live in California.  So do I.  What is your phone number?  I can call you.

 

Also, we could meet at the State Library in Sacramento sometime after it stops raining. 

 

Shirley in CA

 

 

-- rship."

[Shirley Allegre]

Who are you looking for?  I can probably help here.

 

Shirley in CA

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