Cabral de Melo, Mendonca, in Achada, Sao Miguel
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Cheri Mello
Dec 26, 2010, 1:16:56 PM12/26/10
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I'm going to repost this thread here since many readers may be skipping topics of Christmas, thinking there's no genealogy in those threads/posts. ~Cheri
Iris said:
<<I have an ancestor, Antonio Cabral Melo born in Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Father of
Iris said:
<<I have an ancestor, Antonio Cabral Melo born in Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Father of
Antonio Cabral De Melo born in Nordeste, SM and married in 14 July
1752 to Dona Maria de Mendonca. Parents of Alexandre Cabral de Melo
born in Nordeste, SM and married to Maria Raposo on 24 Oct 1779 in Sao
Jorge, Nordeste, SM. This line leads to my Grandfather, Marion Cabral
who was born on Maui, Hawaii in 1883.
See any connections?
Iris Cabral Bilodeau>>Cheri Mello
Dec 26, 2010, 1:26:39 PM12/26/10
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Iris,
I have some of the Cabral de Mellos in my database in the area of
Achada. I have an Antonio, who is a brother to my Manoel Cabral de
Mello. Manuel married Thereza Maria de Mendonca in Povoacao on 31 Jan
1760. I haven't worked on all the siblings of my Manuel yet though.
Do you have your Antonio's parents as Domingos Furtado and Maria
Cabral? I have one more generation going back too.
Cheri Mello
I have some of the Cabral de Mellos in my database in the area of
Achada. I have an Antonio, who is a brother to my Manoel Cabral de
Mello. Manuel married Thereza Maria de Mendonca in Povoacao on 31 Jan
1760. I haven't worked on all the siblings of my Manuel yet though.
Do you have your Antonio's parents as Domingos Furtado and Maria
Cabral? I have one more generation going back too.
Cheri Mello
Iris Bilodeau
Dec 26, 2010, 2:12:12 PM12/26/10
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I have Antonio Cabral de Melo born in Nordeste, SM and married 14 July1752.
His parents were Antonio Cabral Melo born in Achada Grande, SM. No date. married to Barbra Correia. No further generations but I can have George Pacheco check it out.
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Cheri Mello
Dec 26, 2010, 2:40:59 PM12/26/10
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Iris,
I think they are related somehow. If not, you're related to Denise d'Antonia. She also has Cabral de Mellos from Achada. I think I have notes of these people that are not entered into my computer. And I think Shirley Allegre may have worked on this line (although it's not her direct line) and Antonio Cabral de Mello and Barbara Correia may be the end of the line, due to the bad conditions of the Achada records. I have Canto's Achada Marriage index, so I'll check that to be sure.
Cheri
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I think they are related somehow. If not, you're related to Denise d'Antonia. She also has Cabral de Mellos from Achada. I think I have notes of these people that are not entered into my computer. And I think Shirley Allegre may have worked on this line (although it's not her direct line) and Antonio Cabral de Mello and Barbara Correia may be the end of the line, due to the bad conditions of the Achada records. I have Canto's Achada Marriage index, so I'll check that to be sure.
Cheri
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Iris Bilodeau
Dec 26, 2010, 4:17:54 PM12/26/10
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Cheri,
I agree, they must be related and we are cousins. Interesting that I'm related to Denise also. This is very exciting.
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Cheri Mello
Dec 26, 2010, 5:22:07 PM12/26/10
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OK, even Canto in the late 1800s and Rodrigo Rodrigues in 1929 had a hard time with these records. They were deteriorating then.
Dec 1691 (that's all that can be read), a Manoel (surname unreadable), son of an unreadable da Costa(?), deceased, and Barbara Correia of Nordestinho married a Maria Cabral, daughter of a Caligto de (Macads) and a (Ursula) Furtada.
That's the earliest I can find. The Nordestinho marriages start 1700s. So if Barbara married where she was from, you won't find the marriage in the film. That is, if it's the right Barbara.
Dec 1691 (that's all that can be read), a Manoel (surname unreadable), son of an unreadable da Costa(?), deceased, and Barbara Correia of Nordestinho married a Maria Cabral, daughter of a Caligto de (Macads) and a (Ursula) Furtada.
That's the earliest I can find. The Nordestinho marriages start 1700s. So if Barbara married where she was from, you won't find the marriage in the film. That is, if it's the right Barbara.
Rosemarie Capodicci
Dec 26, 2010, 5:48:29 PM12/26/10
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Did any of these Cabral Mello's migrate to
Urzelina, Sao Jorge? My 6th great grandpa is Domingos Cabral Mello b about 1693,
Urzelina, Sao Jorge. Of course there are no records for the births or marriages
of Urzelina in the time period I need. His wife is Antonia de Jesus b about 1698
in Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge. Their first child b 13 Jun 1728, Antonio Cabral Mello
who married Dona Maria Bettencourt in 1753, Urzelina.
Rosemarie
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Denise
Dec 26, 2010, 8:35:52 PM12/26/10
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Cheri - Thank you for re-posting.
Iris - Antonio Cabral de Melo and Maria de Mendonca are my 6th great-grandparents. Please contact me off list so we can compare. So hello cousin! (Denis...@aol.com)
Regards,
Denise De Freitas D'Antona
NY
Iris - Antonio Cabral de Melo and Maria de Mendonca are my 6th great-grandparents. Please contact me off list so we can compare. So hello cousin! (Denis...@aol.com)
Regards,
Denise De Freitas D'Antona
NY
Denise
Dec 26, 2010, 8:45:00 PM12/26/10
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Hello again Cheri and Iris,
Antonio Cabral de Mello and Barbara Correia are the end of the line for me. I have 6 children for them including Antonio. And yes Cheri, from where I worked with your files at one time the Manuel Cabral de Melo married to Teresa Maria de Mendonca is related to Iris and I as well, and so to you also; Antonio and Barbara had a daughter, Maria Cabral de Melo married to Domingos Furtado and Manuel Cabral de Melo is their son. So we are all cousins here! I do believe Shirley ties in here a well but I can't recall right now and would have to check it out.
Prima Denise
Antonio Cabral de Mello and Barbara Correia are the end of the line for me. I have 6 children for them including Antonio. And yes Cheri, from where I worked with your files at one time the Manuel Cabral de Melo married to Teresa Maria de Mendonca is related to Iris and I as well, and so to you also; Antonio and Barbara had a daughter, Maria Cabral de Melo married to Domingos Furtado and Manuel Cabral de Melo is their son. So we are all cousins here! I do believe Shirley ties in here a well but I can't recall right now and would have to check it out.
Prima Denise
Denise
Dec 26, 2010, 8:48:26 PM12/26/10
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Hi Rosemarie,
I don't have any record of these Cabral de Melo's going to Urzelina, Sao Jorge. I only have one Domingos Cabral de Melo in my file right now and he was born in 1724, son of Maria Cabral de Melo and Domingos Furtado.
Denise D'Antona
I don't have any record of these Cabral de Melo's going to Urzelina, Sao Jorge. I only have one Domingos Cabral de Melo in my file right now and he was born in 1724, son of Maria Cabral de Melo and Domingos Furtado.
Denise D'Antona
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George Pacheco
Dec 26, 2010, 9:20:00 PM12/26/10
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Hi I have
I will double check
Antonio Cabral De Melo born in Nordeste, SM and married in 14 July
1752 to Dona Maria de Mendonca I have Antonio Cabral Melo. Parents of
Antonio Cabral de Melo born in Nordeste, and Barbara Correia I
believe he was a widower of Maria Pimentel Soares.
I will double check
Antonio Cabral De Melo born in Nordeste, SM and married in 14 July
Antonio Cabral de Melo born in Nordeste, and Barbara Correia I
believe he was a widower of Maria Pimentel Soares.
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Rosemarie Capodicci
Dec 26, 2010, 9:24:27 PM12/26/10
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Thanks Denise--Just thought I would ask, you
never know if one of the line may have traveled afar!! Rosemarie
Cheri Mello
Dec 26, 2010, 10:11:38 PM12/26/10
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No wonder I'm confused. It's Ernesto do Canto's fault! LOL
I've attached the index from Canto. 3rd from the bottom. The nice, thin writing is Canto. Rodrigo Rodrigues added the de Sousa after the father of the groom.
So the question is, what were they reading from? Early Achada is bad. I'm going to have to take a look. To me, it's hard to mix up the names Maria and Barbara, but who knows where the worm hole was.
Because of this document, I don't have Barbara Correia in my database. Never believe an index.
I've attached the index from Canto. 3rd from the bottom. The nice, thin writing is Canto. Rodrigo Rodrigues added the de Sousa after the father of the groom.
So the question is, what were they reading from? Early Achada is bad. I'm going to have to take a look. To me, it's hard to mix up the names Maria and Barbara, but who knows where the worm hole was.
Because of this document, I don't have Barbara Correia in my database. Never believe an index.
Denise
Dec 26, 2010, 10:54:02 PM12/26/10
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Hi George,
Correct, Antonio Cabral de Mello married 27 Nov 1724 with Maria Pimentel Soares and then married Maria de Mendonca 14 Jul 1752. Antonio Cabral de Melo and Barbara Correia were his parents.
Denise D'Antona
Correct, Antonio Cabral de Mello married 27 Nov 1724 with Maria Pimentel Soares and then married Maria de Mendonca 14 Jul 1752. Antonio Cabral de Melo and Barbara Correia were his parents.
Denise D'Antona
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Denise
Dec 26, 2010, 10:54:52 PM12/26/10
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I agree. I'll keep it in mind in case the Urzelina connection ever comes up.
Denise
Denise
Denise
Dec 26, 2010, 11:01:48 PM12/26/10
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Hi Cheri,
I have to look back at some really old notes. This portion of my database was done for me by Doug Holmes. After looking at the copy you sent, I seem to remember him telling me that the wife was coming up as Maria at one point and needed further clarification. If I remember right, it is the same family but maybe it was something like where it said Barbara it was tainted and could have been Maria...I'll have to dig those old emails out, I had printed them all out. I will let you know what I find. I think it could also be a case of her name being Maria Barbara and sometimes one name is left off, just a thought. But I will look.
Denise
I have to look back at some really old notes. This portion of my database was done for me by Doug Holmes. After looking at the copy you sent, I seem to remember him telling me that the wife was coming up as Maria at one point and needed further clarification. If I remember right, it is the same family but maybe it was something like where it said Barbara it was tainted and could have been Maria...I'll have to dig those old emails out, I had printed them all out. I will let you know what I find. I think it could also be a case of her name being Maria Barbara and sometimes one name is left off, just a thought. But I will look.
Denise
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John Raposo
Dec 27, 2010, 7:39:59 AM12/27/10
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6 - Maria Pimentel Soares (do § 7.º), foi a primeira mulher de seu marido. Casou no Nordeste a 27.11.1724 com António Cabral de Melo, baptizado na Achada e filho de António Cabral e Barbara Correia, fregueses deste lugar.
"E" Sharp
Dec 27, 2010, 7:56:27 AM12/27/10
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I have these Mendonca's born in Achadina, Nordeste, Sao Miguel. John
Pacheco Mendonca b. abt. 1860 and wife Jacintha Augusta b. abt. 1861.
Her parents are Manuel de Souza and Ana Joaquina Augusta. I do not
have his parents. Their children Agostinho b. abt. 1889, Maria b.
abt. 1891 both b. Achadina and Georgina b, MA abt. 1900 MA.
Pacheco Mendonca b. abt. 1860 and wife Jacintha Augusta b. abt. 1861.
Her parents are Manuel de Souza and Ana Joaquina Augusta. I do not
have his parents. Their children Agostinho b. abt. 1889, Maria b.
abt. 1891 both b. Achadina and Georgina b, MA abt. 1900 MA.
Cheri Mello
Dec 27, 2010, 1:03:34 PM12/27/10
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John,
From Rodrigo Rodrigues? I thought I had checked there. Guess I didn't.
Cheri
From Rodrigo Rodrigues? I thought I had checked there. Guess I didn't.
Cheri
John Raposo
Dec 27, 2010, 3:11:27 PM12/27/10
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Yes, it is.
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Cheri Mello
Dec 27, 2010, 3:13:07 PM12/27/10
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Thanks, I'll look up that citation.
Cheri
Cheri
JR
Dec 28, 2010, 7:07:48 PM12/28/10
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You will have to be careful about linking all the Cabral de Mello's,
especially if they are from different villages. I checked all these
out a few years ago, and António Cabral and Barbara Correia are the
end of the line as far as Achada goes. The Cabral de Mello line may
indeed be linked to the older Cabal de Melo line in Nordeste, but
there is no proof of this. Even if the citation of Maria Correia
proves to be Barbara Correia, you are no further ahead, except that
you have linked one more family to a known common ancestor. For more
possible connections you will have to research the more dfficult civil
and property records, the notarios, and hope to find a reference to
this couple. Neither Rodtrigues nor Canto mentioned one, and Rodrigues
in particular read al those notarios and that is why he regarded as
great researcher. He tried to turn over all the stones.
Maybe I have forgotten Cheri, are you saying your Melo line goes back
to this Achada line?
JRoias
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> Yes, it is.
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especially if they are from different villages. I checked all these
out a few years ago, and António Cabral and Barbara Correia are the
end of the line as far as Achada goes. The Cabral de Mello line may
indeed be linked to the older Cabal de Melo line in Nordeste, but
there is no proof of this. Even if the citation of Maria Correia
proves to be Barbara Correia, you are no further ahead, except that
you have linked one more family to a known common ancestor. For more
possible connections you will have to research the more dfficult civil
and property records, the notarios, and hope to find a reference to
this couple. Neither Rodtrigues nor Canto mentioned one, and Rodrigues
in particular read al those notarios and that is why he regarded as
great researcher. He tried to turn over all the stones.
Maybe I have forgotten Cheri, are you saying your Melo line goes back
to this Achada line?
JRoias
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> Yes, it is.
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> John,
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> From Rodrigo Rodrigues? I thought I had checked there. Guess I didn't.
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> Cheri
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> Miguel
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> John,
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> From Rodrigo Rodrigues? I thought I had checked there. Guess I didn't.
>
> Cheri
>
> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 4:39 AM, John Raposo <marra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> 6 - Maria Pimentel Soares (do § 7.º), foi a primeira mulher de seu marido. Casou
> no Nordeste a 27.11.1724 com António Cabral de Melo, baptizado na Achada e filho
> de António Cabral e Barbara Correia, fregueses deste lugar.--
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> 6 - Maria Pimentel Soares (do § 7.º), foi a primeira mulher de seu marido. Casou
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Shirley Allegre
Jan 4, 2011, 4:20:14 PM1/4/11
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See below in caps.
Does anyone have DOBs and names for their children?
Shirley in CA
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Does anyone have DOBs and names for their children?
Shirley in CA
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Miguel
Hi I have
I will double check
Antonio Cabral De Melo born in Nordeste, SM and married in 14 July
1752 SJ-NORDESTE to Dona Maria de Mendonca I have Antonio Cabral Melo.
Parents of
Antonio Cabral de Melo born in Nordeste, and Barbara Correia I
believe he was a widower of Maria Pimentel Soares. THIS MARRIAGE WAS 27 NOV
1724
IN SJ-NORDESTE
Shirley Allegre
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This marriage took place in SJ-Nordeste,Sao Miguel,
Azores.
Shirley in CA
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Shirley Allegre
Jan 4, 2011, 4:57:08 PM1/4/11
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Hello Denise: Would you be so kind as to send
me the names and DOBS of their 6 children?
The one that I have is DONA Margarida de
Mendonca,
DOB 8 Nov 1757, SJ-Nordeste, Sao Miguel,
Azores.
You can email me privately at shir...@digitalpath.net.
Thanks Shirley
P.S. Cheri and I are cousins on our MELLO
lines, plus several others.
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Shirley Allegre
Jan 4, 2011, 5:55:20 PM1/4/11
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When did your ancestors go to Hawaii?
Shirley in CA
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Jan 4, 2011, 4:32:06 PM1/4/11
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Shirley, I don't know if there is any connection, but my Grandfather, Carlos Cabral DeMelo
was born in San Miguel in July of 1895.
I'll await your reply if any.
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Iris Bilodeau
Jan 4, 2011, 6:15:54 PM1/4/11
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| Jose and Maria (Raposa) Cabral, parents of Marion Cabral went to Hawaii in 1881 on The Sufolk. Joao and Marianna (Martin da Costa) Oliveira went to Hawaii in 1882 on The Hansa. They were parents of my grandmother, Mary Oliveira Cabral. Both my grandparents were born on Maui. Iris |
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Iris,
I thought your name looked familiar. I think we wrote to each other back in the 1990's when I was living in Pukalani, Maui. I had begun my genealogy only a couple years before and I think we were trying to see if there was a Nunes, Viveiros, (or even possibly Wong hubby's side, did you have some Wong family too ?) connection.
A big hello out to you
aloha, Cheryl
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Dano
Jan 5, 2011, 5:26:14 PM1/5/11
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Cheri, Do you have any data on Domingos Furtado?
If its the same person, he married Domingas de Payva on13-Mar-1743, in
Achada Grande.
If its the same person, he married Domingas de Payva on13-Mar-1743, in
Achada Grande.
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