great grandpa help

[Mike]

I would like to ask for some help with finding my great grandfather. We believe his name was Jose(Joseph) Pinheiro(Pine) based on what my grandma who's still living tells me. He was married to my great grandma Maria Pereira(Perry) we believe between 1916/1918 based on when my grandpa William Francis Pine was born on 2/16/1918.
Joe Pine died before 1920 because he is not listed on the census of 1920 when my great grandma moved back home to new bedford to her mom and dads home.
My grandma believes Joe Pine was aprox 23 when he died and she believes it was in California, We believe that Maria and Jose got married in California because my grandma said she followed Joe Pine out there.
Anything the group can help with would greatly appreciate, if more information is needed so you can help I can try and find it for you.
Thanks Ahead,
Mike

[belle...@gmail.com]

Mike,

There is a Joe C. Pine WWI Draft Registration Record (1917) living in Alameda County CA. He was born April 14, 1892 in Fayal, Azores. He had a wife named Rose. There is a 1951 Naturalization Card for this Joseph Correia Pine in Newark CA. Here it says he was born April 14, 1892. There is a Joseph Pine b. April 23, 1894 living in South Dartmouth in 1917 also b. in Fayal. It says he has a thoat affliction and he was working at the Gosnold Mills. It says he is married. There's a Joseph Pine b. Sept. 15, 1892 in Sao Miguel, Azores, living in New Bedford in 1917 but his one says he is single.

There are several Jose Pinheiro Draft Registration Records living in CA/MA.

Then there is this ship's list....Name: Jose S Pinheiro
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: Salao?, Fayal Azores
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Portuguese
Arrival Date: 12 Sep 1912
Port of Arrival: Providence, Rhode Island
Port of Departure: Horta, Fayal, Azores, Portugal
Ship Name: Roma
Leaving his father Manuel Furtado da Rosa, Salao, Fayal, Azores- going to his brother in law Luiz Lopes, Providence RI

Do you know if he had a middle name? How sure are you that he died? Maybe she just left him and returned home? I just helped a girl with her ancestor and a few months ago she found out he had a 2nd family back East before he married her ggrandmother. She said he never spoke of this first wife and children. You can imagine she was elated to find her new found family.

"E"

[Robin Lebo]

Dear Mike, 

I went into find a grave and found a Manuel Joseph Pine b 1893, d 1914. His find a grave number is 88554320. This is at the Holy Ghost Cemetery, Fremont, Alameda County, California. Plot: Row 18. It says it shares the stone with Frank. I went to the Frank Pine in the same cemetery, but I could not find which Frank it was. the Frank Pine listed had others in that area but not the same plot.  I found others,  Pine, Joe and Joseph, but none had died before 1920. 

This might be a lead for you. 

Robin L

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[Katharine]

I wonder if Joe Pine died of the Spanish influenza (not that it would
necessarily help in finding his records, I suppose). It certainly ran
rampant through Alameda County, California, where my maternal
grandmother (among many) had it. My mother was 5 at the time, and
remembered being traumatized by the numerous funerals in Berkeley and
Oakland to which her mother dragged her for people who died of the
flu. Katharine.

["E" Sharp]

Mike,

 

Could this be the marriage record for your Joe Pine?  They may have the parents mixed up as I notice Mary is living with an Antone Perry and Mary Perry so I assume this is her parents? 

 

Massachusetts, Town Vital Collections, 1620-1988 Name:   Mary Perry
Mary Perry

Birth Date:     abt 1899
Event Type:     Marriage
Event City:     Dartmouth
Marriage Date:  19 May 1917
Marriage Age:   18
Father Name:    Antoia Leal (probably Antonio)
Mother Name:    Mary Leal
Spouse Name:    Joseph Pine
Spouse Marriage Age:    23
Spouse Father Name:     Joseph Silvera
Spouse Mother Name:     Louise Silvera (not Mary)

 

If you think this is them, you could go/call NB Vitals and ask them for the paper they filled out to obtain the marriage certificate.  It contains much more info than the marriage certificate.  It will cost you about $20 if you think this could be them.

 

"E"

[eric edgar]

The 1920 census for Dartmouth MA shows that William Pine . grandson and his mother Mary Pine, are in her parents house. She is listed as married. Perhaps Joe Pine wasn't dead , but she left for other reasons.

 

Joe Pine's draft card of Sept 1918 shows he and Mary were living on B st in Hayward. Sound like the right people?

 

Eric Edgar

[eric edgar]

I've determined the Hayward couple is too old to be correct.

[eric edgar]

The 1930 census shows Mary L Perry has re married to Charles O'Neil, and lives in New Bedford with 3 of his children, two of his step-children from before their marriage and her two children William Pine  12 yrs and Donald R Pine  8 yrs.

 

The Pine children are born in Massachucetts, and since Donald was born in 1922, Joe Pine must have been alive after 1918.

 

Eric Edgar

[Pam Santos]

Well if you find out if that Mary Perry was living in Fall River prior to that marriage, she might be in my file. I have a Antone Jacintho Pereia who married Maria da Encarnacao. Maria's line connects to my Silva line.

[Michael Gilfilian]

No she wasn't, the marriage to Joe pine was her first and William and Donald were the only two children she had