Faria surname

[pi...@dholmes.com]

Hi Geneva,

About my Faria family. Mine came from Sao Roque do Pico, but I think before there it came from Castelo Branco, Faial. I'm going only from memory, so I might be off. There are a few branches of Faria. One is from Terceira in the early 1500s, I believe. There is one in early Faial. I think maybe the third is another from Faial or maybe Terceira.

Of course, there are numerous Faria families that can't connect to these well-known families and mine is like that. Records are lost in most cases and we can't learn more.

If your Faria is from Sao Miguel and you have traced it back to the beginning of the records and it's still from Sao Miguel, maybe that means there is another major branch or two or three from Sao Miguel.

Whether these branches are really just the same family and beyond our ability to know it, if a Faria family arrived in early Sao Miguel and spread out from there, that would be maybe how we could have a connection by Faria.

I'm not looking at Rodrigo Rodrigues and if he has anything about Faria. Maybe another can let us know. I have only his first volume and haven't looked at it for a decade.

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

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[David Leitz]

Doug,

My grandfather is Manuel Pereira Faria - born 20Mar1893 in Silveira, Pico.  His father was Manuel Pereira Faria - born in Sao Roque, died 18May1935.  If I am reading my great grandfather's marriage record correctly, his parents were Jose Pereira de Faria (born 1Nov1815) and Maria Antonia. 

Is this part of your Faria family?

Thanks,

Linda Leitz

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[pi...@dholmes.com]

Hello Linda,

What a great surprise!

Yes, your Faria line and mine are one and the same.

Our common ancestor is 8 generations back for you. Did you already trace it?

For me, it is 9 generations back. So you and my father are 7th cousins.

And this Mr. Faria that I originally mentioned meets us at the same place. But since I don't know where he starts, I can't tell you how many generations it takes him to get back to this ancestor.

I do know it's in his direct paternal line. And if you have any living maternal uncles, you could test them for Y-DNA and have an exact match with Mr. Faria whose first name remains unknown to me still.

But our closest common ancestor is someone named Cardoso. He married twice and his first wife is my line. You descend from his second wife and you do it twice. He is in the 7th generation, so one generation closer than by Faria. Because he's in your tree twice, I would guess that a Family Finder test would estimate a closer connection than reality, having double his DNA.

With all your Pico ancestry, you must be related to just about everyone on this list with Pico roots and can actually prove it.

[GENEVA]

My Faria line begins with my great grandfather Manoel who was the son of Joao de Faria (born Oct 28, 1818) and his wife Maria do Boanova de Arruda, both native of Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada. Manoel was born July 17, 1856. He was the grandson of Jose de Faria (born March 15, 1795) and Jacinta Conceicao Almedia and maternal of Francisco de Arruda and Barbara Candida Rego. Jose De faria was the son of Antonio De Faria born abt 1767 and Maria da Porciuncula de faria. Antonio's father was Andre de Faria was born November 26, 1746 (Rabo de Peixe) and wife was Maria de Sao jose. Maria's father was Manuel de faria and his wife was Joana do Espirito Santo. Andre's father was Domingos da Costa and Antonia de Faria. Domingos da Costa was the son of Tome da Costa and Maria Nunes Rodrigues.

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[mances]

Hi Doug,

There’s a lot of Faria in RR book.

I also have Faria from S. Miguel – Matriz, Ribeira Grande, and my wife has Faria from the island of Faial.

Mine is Joana de Faria, b. Matriz RG, m. to João Carvalho from S. José-PD, on 30 may 1736 in Fenais da Luz.

Joana de Faria is dau. of Teresa de Faria and Antonio Raposo, both from Matriz-RG. Never researched this couple because I don´t have access to the films of RG yet.

 

My wife is a direct descend of Ana Rosa de Jesus who married twice, deceased 14 oct 1798 in Piracema, Minas Gerais, Brazil, born in early 1700 in freguesia do Divino Espirito Santo, ilha do Faial.

Ana Rosa de Jesus was daughter of Maria de Faria and Jeronimo Pereira. Her son Capitão Hipólito Antonio Pinheiro is the founder of the town of Franca in the State of São Paulo, Brasil.

Many families on the 1800’s in Minas Gerais and São Paulo, Brazil, are descendants of this couple Maria de Faria and Jeronimo Pereira from the freguesia do Divino Espírito Santo in Faial.

Do you know any information about them?

Manoel Cesar Furtado

[David Leitz]

Doug,

I have not done much research on the Faria line yet.  Most of the information I have is from the NEPS (Citcem) site, or from relatives.  (I research rather sporadically.)  And yes, I have found that everyone is related - starting from the third generation on back. 

My mom has dementia and I recently found out that it may run on her mother's side of the family.  Her mother had a sister with alzheimers.  Mom also has two cousins that are still in Pico, brother and sister, with alzheimers.  (These are from another aunt.)  My grandmother's father is Francisco Simplicio Rosa Vieira and her mother is Maria Jesus Conceicao.  This is the grandmother that was married to my grandfather Manuel Pereira Faria.

My mom's long term memory seems to be kicking in, so I'm going to try to find out what I can before it is too late.

If it is not a problem, could you send me a chart that shows the Cardoso connection?

Thanks,

Linda

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[Richard Francis Pimentel]

My grandmother’s sister married Anthony A. Faria who was from Bretanha. He ran a funeral home in Fall River for many years with his sons. I have also found some Faria’s in Ribeira Grande.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

[mances]

Rick

By any chance, if you come across my Teresa de Faria m. to Antonio Raposo in Matriz-RG, please let me know, I guess they married around 1700.

Manoel Cesar Furtado

[Frederick Souza]

My great grandmother was a Faria from Lagoa (Rosario district).  This is pretty much all I know and is one of those things that will require research.  Since my grandfather Joao Faria Machado was born in either 1890, 91, or 92, I am assuming she was probably born about 20 years earlier.  He was the oldest son.  His cousin Jose Maria Faria was  a couple of years younger, but they all grew up on pretty much the same couple of streets as one another.

Fred Souza

Thank you,

Frederick Souza

19 Owen Drive

Stonington, CT 06378-1012

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[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Manoel,

 

I have been working on the Estrela records and have most of the readable marriages from 1770 to 1839. I am here in Texas and my film is up in NH. So when I go up there I copy records and take them back here to work on. I am going there in May for a few weeks and plan on copying more records.  I like you can’t wait for the records to get on line but I am afraid it will be a while.

[mances]

Hi Rick,

Thank you so much,

I really appreciate it,

Manoel Cesar Furtado

[Pam Santos]

David my husbands step grandfather had Alzheimers and was completely out of it not remembering anything. Their daughter inlaw took him to Doctors and they gave him the pills. 360 turn around, he was doing way better like almost back to normal. Unfortunately he fell and died from complications. But I would get your relative on the pills, Sorry I do not know the name of the medication, but the doctor should.

[Joanne Mercier]

Rick,

my Mom used to tell me that her family was related to the Faria who owned the funeral home in Fall River - cousins, I presume.  My maternal grandfather's family was from Ajuda Bretanha (Benevides Sousa).  Would you know where those lines intersect? I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks!

Joanne

Joanne Medeiros Grota Mercier

Researching Bretanha (Medeiros Grota, Benevides, deSouza), Lagoa (Luiz, d'Oliveira Homen) and Rabo de Peixe (Martins Gouveia)

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Joanne,

 

You do not give me much to go on, but this is what I have on Anthony Alves Faria. I am related to his wife Eliza Carvalho who would be my great aunt.

 

Anthony A. Faria (232), b. circa 1882 at Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores, Portugal, d. 16 Dec 1966 at Bristol, MA, USA

+Eliza Carvalho (92), b. 18 Jul 1888 at Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores, Portugal, m. circa 1905, d. 1 Aug 1945 at Bristol, MA, USA

|-- Manuel C. Faria (82), b. 7 Mar 1906, d. 30 Jan 1990 at Bristol, MA, USA

|   +Anna Medeiros (202), d. before 30 Jan 1990

|   |-- Anne Marie Faria (203), d. before 30 Jan 1990

|   \-- Rita Faria (204)

|-- James Faria (83), b. circa 1910 at Bristol, MA, USA, d. 26 Jun 1975 at Bristol, MA, USA

|-- Anthony C. Faria (84), b. 12 Sep 1912 at Bristol, MA, USA, d. 23 Dec 1990 at Bristol, MA, USA

|   +Eulalia Rezendes (205), d. 28 Mar 1990 at Bristol, MA, USA

|   |-- Robert Faria (206)

|   \-- Julia Faria (207)

|-- Irene Faria (85), b. circa 1914 at Bristol, MA, USA

|   +Lawrence Sousa (208)

|   \-- Larry Sousa (209)

|-- Catherine Faria (86), b. circa 1916 at Bristol, MA, USA, d. circa Jan 1998

|   +(--?--) Koerner (210)

|-- George Faria (88), b. circa 1918 at Bristol, MA, USA, d. 30 Dec 1919 at Bristol, MA, USA

|-- Vivian Biddie Faria (87), b. circa 1928

\-- Theresa Faria (224), b. circa 1931 at Bristol, MA, USA, d. 17 Sep 1961 at Oneida, NY, USA

 

Some of this data I have not verified.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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[Joanne Mercier]

OK, I have the following in my data - could this be a relation?

Antonia Augusta de Jesus de Souza (my ggrandmother / born 5 May 1832) - daughter of Lourenco de Souza & Joaquina Rosa de Carvalho

husband - Francisco da Camara Benevides Sousa (my ggrandfather / a foundling) married 20 Feb 1855 Ajuda Bretanha

Looks like my ggrandfather took the Souza name and Benevides was the family he was given to.  I have more background on my ggrandmother that I can share if needed.

I'm writing on the fly and use PAF so extracting my info is not something I can get to right now.  Any of this in your data or is useful?

Thanks for getting back to me.

Joanne

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Rick,

my Mom used to tell me that her family was related to the Faria who owned the funeral home in Fall River - cousins, I presume.  My maternal grandfather's family was from Ajuda Bretanha (Benevides Sousa).  Would you know where those lines intersect? I'd appreciate any help.

 

Thanks!

Joanne

 

Joanne Medeiros Grota Mercier

Researching Bretanha (Medeiros Grota, Benevides, deSouza), Lagoa (Luiz, d'Oliveira Homen) and Rabo de Peixe (Martins Gouveia)

 

 

 

 

 

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[nancy jean baptiste]

Greetings,
 
My uncle, John Cardoso Baptiste and I both descend from a man in Candelaria, Pico by the name of Francisco Peixoto Faria, born Sept. 3, 1742 and married to Ana Maria also from Candelaria.
 
My uncle has a match in Family Finder to a Mr. Faria who has many names and places on Pico......Mr. Faria does not show up in my matches so I guess the 1 generation made the difference.
 
Nancy Jean Baptista
 

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[JR]

I did some work on the Faria's of Ribeira Grande, Maia and Sao Pedro de RG. Almost all the Faria's I have encountered from PG, VF, Maia, Achada and few others, come from RG or SP RG. The exceptions I know of are from Nordeste- the Faria de Teve- and the Faria de Maia, lines which are a prominent and wealthy and well documented in RR. The more common lines appear to arise independently in RG and SP-RG. Having said this, there are probably many more from other villages. Curiously enough, I did not encounter a Teresa de Faria. Perhaps she goes by another name as well.

If anyone is researching Faria in later times in Sao Miguel- 1900-1800, watch out for name corruptions. I have seen Faria turned into Farias and Frias and vice versa. So be mindful of that.

JR

[celeste perry]

JR, I am not sure if we have communicated on this Faria family in the past.  The Faria family I have is from my husband's maternal grandfather who was born in Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel.  Does any of this look familiar to you or anyone else on the list?

Descendants of MANUEL DA COSTA FRIAS

   1     MANUEL DA COSTA FRIAS b: Bef. 1704 in Sao Pedro, VFDC, Sao Miguel, Azores     

....      +ISABEL DE OLIVEIRA         b: Bef. 1704 in N.S. dos Anjos, Agua do Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores m: Bef. 1722

.  2     MIGUEL de FARIA        b: 06 May 1722 in Sao Pedro, VFDC, Sao Miguel, Azores     

.......             +Agueda de Medeiros Quental  b: Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores      m: 08 Dec 1748 in ** NS da Piedade, Ponta da Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores

.    *2nd Wife of MIGUEL de FARIA:                   

.......             +Margarida Agueda de Quental Medeiros     b: Aft. 1715 in NS da Piedade, Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores    m: 08 Dec 1749 in NS ao Piedade, Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores

.    *3rd Wife of MIGUEL de FARIA:          

.......             +BERNARDA MARGARIDA de MEDEIROS       b: 14 Aug 1744 in NS da Piedade, Ponta da Garca, San Miguel, Azores**  m: 09 Jan 1770 in Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores

.....     3        FRANCISCO de FARIA b: 22 Sep 1778 in NS da Piedade, Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores**   

...........                   +Umbelina Jesus Clara    b: Abt. 1780 in Sao Miguel, Azores         m: 09 Oct 1800 in San Roque-Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores**

.....               *2nd Wife of FRANCISCO de FARIA:                 

...........                   +MARGARIDA JACINTA       b: 17 May 1783 in NS da Piedade, Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores** m: 17 Jun 1807 in Ribeira Quente/Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores**

........  4        ANA JACINTHA de JESUS     b: 24 Sep 1808 in NS do Piedade, Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores**    

..............                +FRANCISCO do CANTO       b: 29 Oct 1808 in NS da Piedade, Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores** m: 28 Dec 1829 in Ribeira Quente, Sao Paulo Parish, Sao Miguel, Azores**

............        5        MANUEL do CANTO    b: 06 Sep 1831 in NS da Piedade, Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores       

..................            +JACINTA FILOMENA de JESUS GOMES          b: 25 Oct 1831 in NS da  Piedade, Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores**      m: 02 Jul 1855 in Our Lady of Mercy, Ponta Garca, as the Apostle Sao Paulo, Ribeira Quente, Sao Miguel, Azores**

...............     6        JACINTHO do CANTO SILVA         b: 18 Jun 1869 in NS do Piedade, Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores**    

.....................                   +MARIA PAIXAO da COSTA b: 27 Mar 1888 in Rosario, Lagoa, Sao Miguel, Azores**          m: 02 Oct 1907 in Church of Our Lady of the Rosary, Providence, RI, USA**

................... 7        ADELINE (LENA) CANTO SILVA  b: 03 May 1912 in East Providence, RI, USA**     

.........................               +SERAPHINE EDWARD PERRY     b: 23 Aug 1912 in East Providence, RI, USA**   m: 15 Nov 1933 in East Providence, RI, USA

......................        8        ROBERT EDWARD PERRY    b: 23 Oct 1935 in Providence, RI, USA**  

............................            +CELESTE NORINE LEWIS   b: 14 Jan 1938 in Hayward, CA,  USA**    m: 08 Jul 1956 in All Saints, Hayward, CA,   USA**

Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com

 

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[JR]

Yes, this is the same line that Shirley and I sent you. According to my notes, it was Shirley that found the baptism for Miguel de Frias in VFSP. But he was actually baptised in Agua de Alto and those records are kept in VFSP. He likely married Isabel de Oliveira in Agua de Pau, but again those records are not available.. And the lineage shows what I was talkng about, that is a corruption of the name from Frias to Faria and Frias as well. I would vnture that the actualname is Faria. There are so few actual Frias that I have seen.

JR (John Roias)

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Joanne,

 

I spent some time searching and could not come up with anything; Anthony Alves Faria had changed his name when he arrived in the US. His father’s name was Antonio Alves Galego. I search the line and did find a great grandfather Joao de Faria. That is about as far as I went.  I made an attempt to trace Joaquina Rosa Carvalho and found her 2^nd marriage to Lourenco Jose de Sousa on 10 Dec 1826. I had trouble finding it because I was looking for 10 Dec 1827. The Scribe made an error and wrote seven instead of six. I looked at the pages before and after and it cannot be 1827. The page before is 1826 and the page after is 1827. I looked at the ink bleed through and page number, the page is not out of order. It is in the 1802-1839 Book and CCA image 0131. I tried to find Joaquina’s first marriage to Jose de Arruda but using the date 11 Sep 1819 I could not locate it.

 

If you had any DNA testing done in particular FTDNA Family Finder. You have a good chance of getting a match with others on this list as several of us with lines to Bretanha have matches and have confirmed them.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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[mances]

Thanks, John.

 

By the way, have you ever worked on the Lima’s from S. Pedro – Ribeira Grande (SP-RG)?

I have a couple José de Lima and Maria Furtado married 3 dec 1787 in SP-RG ( RR

Capítulo 148º, § 7).

 

Rodrigo Rodrigues worked on the lineage of Maria Furtado but say nothing about the parents of José de Lima, Manuel de Lima and Maria de São Mateus from SP-RG.

 

Do you have Manuel de Lima and Maria de São Mateus in your database? I guess they married in SP-RG between 1770 – 1720.

 

Manoel Cesar Furtado

[JR]

I have quite a few Lima's in my database, but no matches for your search. It seems your Teresa Faria may also go by the name Teresa Vieira. Must have been in a hurry since I have an alternate date:

Descendants of Manuel da Faria

 

 

Generation No. 1

 

1.  MANUEL DA² FARIA  (ANTAO? DE¹) was born in Ribeira Grande- NS da Conceicao, and died Bef. 06 Feb 1752.  He married MARIA DE PAIVA 28 Apr 1727 in Sao Pedro de Ribeira Seca or Oct 17-1728, daughter of MANUEL PAIVA and ANTONIA SOUSA.  She was born in Ribeira Grande- NS da Conceicao, and died Bef. 06 Feb 1752.

 

Marriage Notes for MANUEL FARIA and MARIA PAIVA:

Rg-Con, page 32 Oct 17- 1728

 

More About MANUEL FARIA and MARIA PAIVA:

Marriage: 28 Apr 1727, Sao Pedro de Ribeira Seca or Oct 17-1728

       

Child of MANUEL FARIA and MARIA PAIVA is:

2.                i.    MANUEL DOS SANTOS³ FARIA, b. Ribeira Grande- NS da Conceicao.

 

 

Generation No. 2

 

2.  MANUEL DOS SANTOS³ FARIA (MANUEL DA², ANTAO? DE¹) was born in Ribeira Grande- NS da Conceicao.  He married LUZIA DE MEDEIROS 06 Feb 1752 in Ribeira Grande- NS da Conceicao, daughter of LUIS FERREIRA and MARIA MEDEIROS.  She was born in Ribeira Grande- NS da Conceicao.

 

More About MANUEL FARIA and LUZIA MEDEIROS:

Marriage: 06 Feb 1752, Ribeira Grande- NS da Conceicao

       

Child of MANUEL FARIA and LUZIA MEDEIROS is:

                   i.    MONICA JACINTA DE JESUS⁴, b. Ribeira Grande- NS da Conceicao; m. JOAO BORGES TAVARES, 28 Mar 1796, Ribeira Grande- NS da Conceicao; b. Ribeira Grande- NS da Conceicao.

 

Marriage Notes for MONICA and JOAO TAVARES:

RG-Con, page 28

 

More About JOAO TAVARES and MONICA:

Marriage: 28 Mar 1796, Ribeira Grande- NS da Conceicao

[Joanne Mercier]

Thanks for the information, Rick.  I had considered DNA testing and was going to get a kit to test my Mom but I waited a bit too long because she just died this past Friday.  Will testing myself be as good? I know little of this area and any information would be of great assistance.

Also, how do I get a copy of the Rodrigo Rodrigues material? I know most of you all have access to it and I believe it might break a few brick wall for me as well.  Again, any info would help me a lot. 

Thanks for your help!

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Joanne,

 

Sorry to hear of your mothers passing, A Family Finder DNA test would produce about the same results if it were taken on any of your mothers siblings. Otherwise the only option is for you to take the test.

 

The major difference in testing between yourself and your mother is one generation. So instead of going back to connections around 1800 you only go to about 1826.

 

Rick

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Thanks for the information, Rick.  I had considered DNA testing and was going to get a kit to test my Mom but I waited a bit too long because she just died this past Friday.  Will testing myself be as good? I know little of this area and any information would be of great assistance.

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[GENEVA]

How to do I get a DNA test for me? Where do I get it from?

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Geneva,

From Family Tree DNA.  Go through the Azores project:
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[David Leitz]

Hi,

I've attached a copy of the marriage record of my gggrandfather, Jose Pereira de Faria.  I can pick out some names and dates, but if I can get a full translation it would be greatly appreciated. 

Linda

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Hi Fred, I am researching my own Faria family from Rosario, Lagoa, S.Miguel.  Jose Maria Faria is my grand uncle who died in 1964.  His parents were:  José Françisco de Faria born July 19, 1865 & Maria da Luz de Araujo born October 14, 1860.  His paternal grandparents were:  Manuel Françisco de Faria born January 1, 1845 & Margarida de Jesus da Costa Castelo born February 19, 1846.  His maternal grandparents were:  António d’ Araújo Pimentel born ? from Agua Pau & Anna de Jesus Carreiro married May 30, 1853.   Manuel Françisco de Faria born January 1, 1845, his parents were: Manuel Françisco de Faria born ? &  Anna Emilia Jacintha Muniz born March 6, 1811.  I found an extra generation, but then - having trouble continuing.

My father's godfather was a Machado.  I met my granduncle Jose Maria Faria in Stonington, when I was about 3 years old.  He died the same year as my own grandfather, who still lived in Rosario, Lagoa.

On Thursday, April 4, 2013 9:02:07 PM UTC-5, Fred Souza wrote:

My great grandmother was a Faria from Lagoa (Rosario district).  This is pretty much all I know and is one of those things that will require research.  Since my grandfather Joao Faria Machado was born in either 1890, 91, or 92, I am assuming she was probably born about 20 years earlier.  He was the oldest s on.  His cousin Jose Maria Faria was  a couple of years younger, but they all grew up on pretty much the same couple of streets as one another.

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[mcfa...@rogers.com]

Hi , I am also researching my own Faria family.  The surnames FARIA & FRIAS are two different surnames.  FRIAS is a different family from FARIA. 

However FARIA & FARIAS is a probably from the same family.

[fsou...@comcast.net]

hi, I suspect from what you are telling me that we are cousins.  My godfather was Jose Maria Faria from Stonington and my grandfather was his first cousin since his mother was a Faria.  I am at work as I am opening this email, but  think that then my grandfather would be your great uncle as well since they were first cousins.  If you were here in 1964., when in that year since that is the year that Jose passed away.  Likewise, if you met my godmother (his wife) you have met the other side of my maternal line since they all grew up within a couple of blocks of one another in Rosario/Lagoa.  There is also family from the Machado line near Boston and there are some from either the Faria side or the Machado side or both in Toronto, and I have a vague memory of meeting someone (probably in 1964 or thereabouts--I was 12 or so at the time)

Write back and perhaps we should also talk on the phone about some of this.  

Someone recently sent me a full listing of the Machado side of this, so your Faria relatives should at least show up there somewhere in his mother's line even though it doesn't go back too far.  So you may the other piece of that puzzle since the Machado information went back to roughly 1100 and emigration to the Azores from the Porto region of the mainland, but it looks like the line was pretty solidly in Rosario for about 800 years, and I know there is still a cousin there from the Machado line as I met her a few years ago when we went over there.  She told me that everyone else in the family had moved to Livramento (sp?) so if I ever go again, I will be trying to find those people.

Thank you,

Fred Souza

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[mcfa...@rogers.com]

Hi, I guess we are cousins.  

Jose Maria Faria was the older brother, about 2 years older, of my grandfather, João Ventura de Faria, Born: July 14, 1899 -8am.  

My father was 36 years old when I was born.  I believe when Jose Maria Faria arrived in America, he came with a sister, and left behind 3 siblings in Lagoa.  Jose Maria Faria is my granduncle, not great uncle.  I do not think, I was there in 1964, probably earlier.  I was about 3 years old or younger, I do not remember the adults very well, but I remember Jose Maria Faria because as a toddler, I did something stupid.  I remember his wife, she saved me from an awkward situation.  I remember her to be a kind, gentle person.  I have distant cousins in Providence, Island, and there was a priest related to us, I believe in Warwick.

If you find any more Faria ancestors, I would appreciate.  I went back as far as, José de Faria & Antonia Francisca, they would be Jose Maria Faria's great, great grandparents, I double checked on this one.  Regarding the Machado, I believe we were in the Azores for just over 500 years.  My great, great grandmother, Margarida de Jesus da Costa Castelo Born:  February 19, 1846 remarried to Manuel Machado in 1899.  According to my research, alot of widows or widowers remarried for survival.  I do not know any Machados in Lagoa, you might have a hard time finding them, especially since many of our previous generation has passed away.  I only know 3 Faria counsins in Lagoa and thats because the previous generation introduced us.

[Frederick Souza]

Jose Maria Faria came to this country with his wife as they were married in the old country.  I believe I have their marriage certificate in my mother's paperwork.  When we went to the Azores in 2006, we visited Amelia Machado who I think was Bento Machado's daughter.  She still lived on Rua DasFurnas in Rosario and her house was across the street from the house where the Machado clan was born.  Jose Faria was the mayor of our Borough of Stonington from 1950-1962, then lost and then recovered from 1964 to what should have been 1966, but he died on the way to a Borough meeting.

How old are you--I am the oldest grandson of Joao Faria Machado (my brother is almost 7 years younger, and there were 4 miscarriages interspersed in there-one before me, two between me and my brother and one after him).  I was born in 1948 and will turn 65 at Christmastime-we didn't speak English at home so I grew up bi-lingual, and the community was very  much ethnic in our part of town.  By the time my brother came along things were changing and my grandfather died 6 months after he was born, so the Portuguese was still spoken at home, but not as universally, so he can only speak a bit of it, understands a lot of it, and can't read a single word.  Note-my mother's middle name was Margarida after her grandmother.

I don't know anything about a priest or a cousin in Providence, but I know there was a niece who lived (maybe still does) in Fall River.  They offered to sponsor her if she moved to Stonington, but instead she chose to live with her in-laws and my grandmother never heard from her again--she arrived here in the early 60"s.

And Jose Maria Machado and his family live in Somerville, MA-  Jose Maria is probably around 90 if he is still alive.  I have his son's email address, but haven't heard from them since my mother died in 2006.  He is the one who gave me the info that enabled me to connect with Amelia when we went over there.

Fred

Thank you,

Frederick Souza

19 Owen Drive

Stonington, CT 06378-1012

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[Patricia Phillips]

My Grandfather used the Machado last name when he first arrived in the United States.  I always understood his name to be Joseph Machado Avila.  I had an Italian Great-Aunt from Italy, she had the name Avila spelling as “Avilla” until the family realized it was incorrect.  He was from Sao Jorge and his birthdate was Dec. 25, 1851. 

 

Regards,

Patricia Phillips

I will be out of town for the next week.

[mcfa...@rogers.com]

Hi Fred,

I did know that Jose Maria Faria was mayor of Stonington.  I do not need their marriage certificate.  I did, however, found his birth registration in the Azores archives.

The clerk must have known him very well, because on the left column of his birth registration, he writes:  No. 1 married to Maria Augusta de Andrade of de Andrade Soares, 22 years old, native of Rosario, Lagoa.  Daughter of Manuel Soares André and of Maria do Santos, (conservetoria ) register on December 15,1919, etc. No. 87 seems to be a registration number.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P96.html

I guess, you can give the information to Stonington's Historical Society, since he was a previous mayor.  Please note:   paternal grandmother states - Margarida Julia.

On my grandfather's birth registration states Margarida de Jesus da Costa Castelo.  That means that her full name must be Margarida Julia de Jesus da Costa Castelo.

Through my research, I found through siblings birth registration that most grandparents name is incomplete, giving first and second names or first and third names.  By comparing with other documents is how you find out what is true.   The priest, which I mention before, was not a Faria or Machado, but carries the surname Muniz, he -I believe is a cousin of the father's.  My father and his siblings has passed away years ago.  I miss them.  My uncle, my dad's brother lived on Rua das Furnas after he married, it is a very, very small house.  I was born in 1960, now you can figure out how old I am.  You should visit Jose Maria Machado and ask him what he remembers of the old village, his youth, and all the family members, this will give you of a more insight into your family.  When I was 14 years old, I interviewed my grandfather and found out that he was No. 8 of 11 siblings, etc.   Through my research most families had 7 to 20 children in one family, including twins.  I learned the portuguese language through my dad and maternal grandparents.  I learned to read portuguese, because the opportunity was there,  although I have to admit there are some words I do not understand.  My father talked about Jose Maria Faria, the mayor and his adventures when he first came to America.  My dad was a good portuguese story teller and was always honest with me about the family's joys and sufferings.  

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[João Ventura]

Hi,

No, the clerk probably didn't know him that well (on the other these ARE small villages). What happens with the most recent records is that they were turned over by law from the church to the government. Before 1910, the Catholic church was the de-facto citizen registration office (which you can imagine must have been fun for any non-Catholic). After 1910, all these books are then used to cross check when people marry or die, and you'll find these 'averbamentos' as a side-note. In this case, it's quite interesting because he married in 1919 in the same civil register where the book was stored, but the sidenote clearly shows that the marriage was only noted in this book somewhere in the 1960s. Something must have happened then (probably the husband died, or some child married).

João C. Ventura

[Frederick Souza]

My guess is that the recording happened after his death because the certification all had to be probated here.  They made a trip to the Azores in the early 50's which the first and last time they ever went back.  As for the recording, Lagoa seems to be one of the few towns that kept its own records instead of sending them to the central repository in Ponta Delgada.  I know that six years ago when I went there, I was told that the Lagoa records weren't there, so it has been very helpful now that they are.  It is also very likely that because the three Church communities in Lagoa were better able to handle "local' info than a bigger and busier clerical office would have.

I located John Machado's records (his mother was a Faria), and am still reading through things to find my grandmother's, his wife.  I know there were issues with her baptism, so it may not be recorded in what looks like chronological order since having tried that, I haven't found it yet--ironic that the only one who I knew well since she raised me and lived with us until her death in 1980 is the one I can't find--I so wish she were around to fill me in on the stories and connections.

Thanks for the info, Fred

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[Cheri Mello]

Fred S,

I don't think it was an option in 1910.  When the government needed to establish a vital record department, they took all the church books.  There was no option.  A random book may have been left behind (the earliest baptism book in Bretanha).  But all the books were taken in 1910. 

For those researching, records that are 100 or more years old are at the respective archive.  For books within the last 100 years, they are at the respecivet Civil Registry.  The books are moved from the Civil Registry to the Archive on years divisible by 5.  They send approximately 5 years worth, depending on space.

Therefore, since it's 2013, the last books that were sent to the Archives were in 2010 (divisible by 5).  They should have sent books up to about 1910 (more or less) and the Civil registry should have books from 1911 to the present.  Then in 2015 (divisible by 5), the Civil Registry should send books from 1911-1915 to the archives (more or less) depending upon space issues.

[Eliseu Pacheco]

Yes Cheri. You are right about the church records. As two books of the same were made this is the answer why the church archives also have books. Of course there were issues.

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

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[mcfa...@rogers.com]

Hi Joao (John)

Wow, you started a debate. You are right, except for when the note was written on his birth registration. I believe it was recorded in 1919 when they married.  No. 87, I believe it is the page number of their marriage record. The numbers 11-4-961 must be a reference number, and not a date, as to where all the information is collected.  The married couple left for America in 1920, and Fred is right about that they only visited the Azores once.  I have to thank Cheri, for clarifying the registration process.  I guess , we all know what happened in 1910.  Through my research, I found a birth registration that the child was baptized and that their religion was Presbyterian.  I am sorry that I did not save the page, since it was an unusual piece of information historically.

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

The number 11-4-961 is a date 11 Apr 1961.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire

 

 

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Hi Joao (John)

Wow, you started a debate. You are right, except for when the note was written on his birth registration. I believe it was recorded in 1919 when they married.  No. 87, I believe it is the page number of their marriage record. The numbers 11-4-961 must be a reference number, and not a date, as to where all the information is collected.  The married couple left for America in 1920, and Fred is right about that they only visited the Azores once.  I have to thank Cheri, for clarifying the registration process.  I guess , we all know what happened in 1910.  Through my research, I found a birth registration that the child was baptized and that their religion was Presbyterian.  I am sorry that I did not save the page, since it was an unusual piece of information historically.

On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:02:29 AM UTC-5, João Ventura wrote:

Hi,

 

No, the clerk probably didn't know him that well (on the other these ARE small villages). What happens with the most recent records is that they were turned over by law from the church to the government. Before 1910, the Catholic church was the de-facto citizen registration office (which you can imagine must have been fun for any non-Catholic). After 1910, all these books are then used to cross check when people marry or die, and you'll find these 'averbamentos' as a side-note. In this case, it's quite interesting because he married in 1919 in the same civil register where the book was stored, but the sidenote clearly shows that the marriage was only noted in this book somewhere in the 1960s. Something must have happened then (probably the husband died, or some child married).

 

João C. Ventura

On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:10:12 AM UTC+2, mcfa...@rogers.com wrote:

Hi Fred,

I did know that Jose Maria Faria was mayor of Stonington.  I do not need their marriage certificate.  I did, however, found his birth registration in the Azores archives.

The clerk must have known him very well, because on the left column of his birth registration, he writes:  No. 1 married to Maria Augusta de Andrade of de Andrade Soares, 22 years old, native of Rosario, Lagoa.  Daughter of Manuel Soares André and of Maria do Santos, (conservetoria ) register on December 15,1919, etc. No. 87 seems to be a registration number.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P96.html

[mcfa...@rogers.com]

Hi Richard,

You are right.  I went back to double check.  I notice the author (ajudante)of the note is Antonio Janario, (if I am reading his hand writing correctly).  I took a look at the other birth registrations in the same year and noticed this guy was around 1963. I was convinced that it must have been a reference number because the one was missing in front of 961 and that they do not usually write the date in short form in previous decades; and, I had to question it because the subject Jose Maria Faria was still alive and living in another country for the past 40 years.

Thanks.  

[Frederick Souza]

Jose Maria Faria and Augusta did not have any children.

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[mcfa...@rogers.com]

Hi  Fred, Cheri, Joao, Richard:

I guess the question is, what event triggered the author to write in 1961, in the left column of Jose Maria Faria's birth registration.  

Both Faria (1897-1964) and his wife (1896-1966) were still alive, no children, living in Stonington; and, Faria's 3 siblings, living in Lagoa, were still alive.  

I guess we will never know.

Sincerely,

Maria.

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[Richard Francis Pimentel]

It is difficult to say without looking at the record.  If they were both still alive perhaps they requested a birth certificate for some official document. If you can post a copy perhaps one of can tell.

[Margaret Vicente]

sorry, neglected to add that it would have to do with bringing the records up to date and that it could be related to proof  of relationship due to inheritances or other legal matters ie wills etc.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Margaret Vicente <margare...@gmail.com> wrote:

According to the record the side note is in regard to the marriage record.  It is noting who he married and the date of the marriage Dec 15 1919.

Margaret Vicente

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[Frederick Souza]

I am guessing that he probably wrote to one of the siblings that he wanted all the records straight because about that time he had been warned by his doctor that he had a pretty serious heart condition.  He may also have loaned one or all of the siblings some money and he wanted that all to be clear in the event of his death, so he probably forgave any debt (if there was any).  Additionally, as I mentioned previously the niece or godchild (I think she was his niece and my grandfather's godchild/neice) came to Fall River at around that time.  Likewise, he retired from his job at the Velvet Mill at around the same time, so he may have needed updated records to initiate his disability retirement.  I have the official birth certificate and marriage certificate for both of them with the 1961 date, so I am sure that he was trying to get his affairs in order.  Even by the time of his death 3 years later, he still had multiple mortgages he was holding for Portuguese immigrants here, but they no longer owned any property in the Azores.  I did find the passport today, and that trip where they cleared up the business with my grandmother's side of the equation and any property there was in 1947.

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[Pam Santos]

I had a date in margin of record that was a death date for one child of the person.

[Dano]

Celeste, how well did you know the Adeline (Silva) Perry from your list? The reason I ask is that my mother "Connie" Paiva (also from Ponta Garca), had a very good friend from work by that name. They both worked at a cutlery plant named Imperial Knife Co., in Providence.

[celeste perry]

Hi Dano,

   Adeline was my mother-in-law.  I knew her from the time I met her son Bob, my husband, in 1954, in California.  They were both born in Providence, RI.  I asked Bob if his mother worked at the Imperial Knife Co. and he did not know.  He said she worked for RCA in Providence before she married at the age of 21 (1933).  Bob lived on 14 Donnelley St. until he was 2 (1937), 559 Warren Ave. until 1941 and 11 Fenmore St. (a 3 story house behind Mr. & Mrs. Rose's grocery store until 1944 when he and his parents moved to California.

  What street did your mother live on in East Providence?  Bob says that the name Connie Paiva sounds familiar to him.  What is your father's first name? 

Celeste 

Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com

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[Pam Santos]

Maybe I read a post wrong, I thought someone said the year was 1961 on a record written in. I just noted that in one of my ancestor it shows a date death of a child. So maybe its someone in their family since they did not have any children.

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[mcfa...@rogers.com]

Hi Fred,

I did know that he had a heart condition.  I do not know the details.  But, when I was about 9 years old, my Dad mentioned that he had left everything to Maria Augusta and her side of the family.  He also mentioned his two aunts in Lagoa, in the case that Augusta died first, the inheritance would go to his two single sisters.  I am not sure why he told me these things, when I was still a child.  Did you know that his sisters were petite?  If you can email a picture of him, I would like that.  I used his story in America, to encourage my sons to gain better employment.  

I found this piece of information http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1900-1905/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1900-1905_item1/P422.html 

It is the birth registration of Jose Maria's bother Antonio 1902-1934.  Remember what I said previously, about  Margarida Julia de Jesus da Costa Castelo Born:  February 19, 1846.  Here in this document it states Margarida de Jesus, where in Jose Maria's document it states Margarida Julia.

Sincerely,

Maria.

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