The name Pimentel

[Linda Norton]

Is that a Jewish name?

I did find years ago which I can’t find now a breakdown of names and their decent. I think it was areas of the island (Sao Miguel) that they settled in, but were from that particular religion or country that they descended from; i.e., Vila Franca (France).

Does anyone have information on that?

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

 

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[Cheri Mello]

Linda,

I think some names are difficult to pinpoint.

James Guill lists the name Pimentel as Galician in origin.  You can check out "The Cross and the Pear Tree" by Victor Perera and probably get a different perspective.  I'm sure there are many books with many different viewpoints on this.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

The name is not necessarily a Jewish name. In tracing my line to Achada Grande I found no indication there is a New Christian in the records I have looked at which go back to the year 1700. Because you find some people using a surname that is Jewish does now mean the name is Jewish in origin. During the persecution many Jewish people adopted other names in attempts to hide their heritage.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande,  Sao Miguel, Acores

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[Joao S. Lopes]

There's no "Jewish" Portuguese surname. When jews were obligated to turn into Christians ("Cristaos novos") they were baptized and adopt any possible surname. For almost any Portuguese surname we can find Christianized Jews (or Native Americans, or Afro-descendant slaves), without necessarily make them "jewish" names.

JS Lopes

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[Linda Norton]

Interesting to know this. I just thought I saw it somewhere that Pimentel did stem from the Jewish origin. Maybe they are Christianized Jews.

 

Joao, my godfather and Great Uncle was Joao de Sousa married to Etelvina Lopes from Sao Miguel.

 

Thanks.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

 

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[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I would think of it in this context. How many African Americans use the Surname of Washington or Jefferson or other names which we associate with the slave owners that they were once owned by. Now obviously Washington is not an African name. Well neither are most of the Portuguese names Jewish.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The name Pimentel

 

Interesting to know this. I just thought I saw it somewhere that Pimentel did stem from the Jewish origin. Maybe they are Christianized Jews.

 

Joao, my godfather and Great Uncle was Joao de Sousa married to Etelvina Lopes from Sao Miguel.

 

Thanks.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

 

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[John Vasconcelos]

A cousin of mine, Joao Antonio Gomes Vieira, retired curator of the museum in Santa Cruz , Flores, once told me that the Vasconcelos and  Pimentel families were "New Christians".  He did not elaboate, that is, he didn't say if "ALL" Vasconcelos and Pimentels were New Christians or just those in our family.  Possibly a family legend, but I'm offering this for what it's worth.

John Vasconcelos

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi John,

I'm wondering if this cousin of yours is the same Joao Antonio Gomes Vieira whom has published numerous books including "O Homem e o Mar"? 

Nancy Jean Baptista

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Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 10:34:16 -0700

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The name Pimentel

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[John Vasconcelos]

Yes indeed Nancy

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi John,

I've met Joao. We spent a lovely afternoon with him several years ago. I had gone to the Escola de Artesanato near our adega in Santo Amaro, Pico and he was in there visiting with the women who own the school. My Portuguese is limited and the women and I always had difficulty conversing. One of them asked him to translate for us. That led to the most delightful afternoon! He told me I looked like a "woman of Pico" (he said the eyes)! and asked about my family names. I told him my Pico names of de Castro and Cardosa and that started him with the story of my Cardosa's were probably of Jewish descent and how they had become "crypto jews". Needless to say I wanted to know more so he came and spent the afternoon with us. What a wealth of knowledge. I have a paper he wrote out for me with the names of all of his books and his address etc. I wish I had had a tape recorder that day because it was like being in class! Subsequently I found one of his books in the airport gift shop in Lajes. I have some very nice pictures of him we took that day. It was a memorable experience! I think he was on Pico to visit a brother of his. I haven't seen him the last couple of years and hope he's well.

Best regards,

Nancy Jean Baptista

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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 03:24:07 -0700