Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society

[John Vasconcelos]

I've become envious of the "Ponta Garca Gang" and the "Cabral Travassos Country Club" and their good fortune in finding cousins.  So I hereby establish the "Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society".  We Flores people are not so fortunate as our more easterly "cousins". Flores was subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts, Flores was attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall.

The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa Cruz, Flores who were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, Flores. I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas, whose mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina de Freitas.

How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors?
John Vasconcelos

[Cindy D - Searching Sylvia-Pimentel-Martin]

Although I have not been able to find acutal documentation over there
to prove it, my Pimentel side is from Flores, so pour me a glass and
count me in!!! I know zero about Flores other than my mother has told
me that her grandmother said it has a lot of flowers.

Got a lucky break and found a marriage record in New Bedford....and it
confirmed family lore that my great-grandma Maggie Pimentel (Margarida
Ursela Pimentel) was indeed, from Flores. Also got her parents' names
on that record. Double Score. I thought my great-grandfather was
Sylvia or Silva, but no, marriage record has Da Silva....which
explains why I couldn't find much of anything for the past 3 years.
Doh! Made a giant pot of cacciola and had the family in to
celebrate!

My family tree was written by first generation American Sylvias and a
big mistake was made in hand copying (before copy machines) and listed
Frank Pimentel and Annie Martin as Maggie's parents which did not
agree with that New Bedford marriage record at all so it's been
sitting on the back-burner for at least a year. After digging through
some family papers and carefully reading all the little pencil notes
on the original note paper, turns out, Frank is Maggie's brother, not
father. So now it all makes sense and I can put everyone where they
belong. Sheesh!

Cindy D
Sylvia, Pimentel, and new and improved, Da Silva, De Jesus and a
Martin in-law

[eric edgar]

John,

We'll find the ancestors, I'm in for the Flores gang.

 

Eric Edgar

 

Noia, Coelho Rodrigues, Vieira

Ponta Delgada, Cedros

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John,

 

Count me in for the Flores Gang...  I am looking for my ggranparents Antonio Goncalves & Izabel Pedro.  Have no idea where they where from.  My grandmothers (Diolinda Pedro Goncalves Avila) death certificate only says Flores Azores Island.  My brick wall.

 

Beverly Avilla Marcelo 

[Debra Wolgemuth]

Here is my Flores ancestry.  It was a blessing to know my great grandparents as they lived into their late 80's/early 90's.  They only spoke Portuguese, but were very loving to me.  I think my relatives were a part of the Flores Drinking Society too.  My grandmother and Ava loved drinking the Port wine while they were cooking a family celebration meal (soupas, filhos on Ash Wednesday).  Occasionally I think they had too much of the Port wine and the tongues would get loose.  I knew as a very young lady to exit the ranch house quickly when I started hearing English (generally swear words) because a fight between Granny and Ava was going to start.  LOL
 
My Flores ancestors:
 
Me
Debra Irene Rodrigues * 1958 Merced, CA - ...
 
Father
George Edwin Rodrigues * 1939 Merced, CA - 2003 Merced, CA
 
Grandmother
Marie Elaine George * 1912 Merced, CA - 2002 Merced, CA
 
Paternal Great Grandparents
Francisco Jose Jorge (later changed to George in the USA)                                              07 Dec 1871 Faja Grande, Azores - 12 Dec 1963 Merced, CA, USA
(Note:  Immigrated to Merced County, Early jobs:  digging the roads into Yosemite National Park, working as a farmhand for 20 years before purchasing his own farm, Alfalfa & Sweet Potato Farmer on Franklin Road next to the Santa Fe Railroad, Attended and Supported the Buhach Church)
 
Leopoldina Lucindo Freitas
16 May 1884 Faja Grande, Flores, Azores - 19 Mar 1973 Merced, CA, USA
(Note:  Marriage to Francisco was delayed because of the death of her mother.  Lena stayed to raise the younger children for several years.  Francisco sent for Lena to marry her.  She traveled with a female companion because it was not proper for a lady to travel alone.  Cannot verify but we think that Francisco met her in New York City as she entered the USA through Ellis Island.  Francisco, Lena and the companion traveled to Fresno where they stayed with a Freitas cousin until marrying a few weeks later at a Catholic Church in Fresno, CA.) 

Paternal Great Great Grandparents
Antonio Jose Jorge * 1827 Flores, Azores - ?
Ana de Jesus * 1843 Flores, Azores - ?
 
Maternal Great Great Grandparents
Jose L Henriques * 1852 Faja Grande, Flores, Azores - ?
Maria Lucinda de Freitas * 1853 Loma Village, Flores, Azores - ?


 
Debbie Rodrigues Wolgemuth
Researching Jorge, Freitas, Rodrigues, Enos
Flores, Azores, Portugal * Merced and the Bay Area in California

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:32:46 -0700
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
From: gfsj...@gmail.com
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[Marr...@cs.com]

In a message dated 6/7/2010 5:19:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bmma...@comcast.net writes:

John,

 

Count me in for the Flores Gang...  I am looking for my ggranparents Antonio Goncalves &Izabel Pedro.  Have no idea where they where from.  My grandmothers (Diolinda Pedro Goncalves Avila) death certificate only says Flores Azores Island.  My brick wall.

 

Count me in too.

Pedro Pimentel is the 10th great grandfather of João Miranda Raposo. According to Ernesto do Canto, on 10 June 1612, in Santo António além Capelas, Pedro Pimentel, "of Flores", married Maria de Paiva, daughter of Marcos Lopes and catarina de Paiva. He was probably a grandson of Diogo de Mesquita Pimentel and Catarina Antunes Vieira. Witnesses to the marriage included D. Nuno Álvares Pereira, son of D. Jorge Gonçalves Pereira, illegitimate son of the third Conde de Feira. 

[celeste perry]

Hi John,    Although I have no known ancestors from Flores, my son-in-law, David John Sequeira, has a paternal great-grandfather that was born there.  Here is what I have for him. Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com --- On Sun, 6/6/10, John Vasconcelos <gfsj...@gmail.com> wrote:

[BJB Designs]

Debra,  We are also researching the Netto family line from Flores.  Joseph Silveira Netto married Mariana Francisca Enos in Hollister CA. in 1891.  They had 6 children the youngest was Dorothy M Netto who was my husband's mother.  Verbal family history has the family originating in Flores. We have documentation that Jose returned to the Azores in 1894 and he returned with a Manuel Enos aboard the Peninsular to New York.

Do we think we have any Enos or Netto family connection?

Barbara Blackie

[eric edgar]

Beverly,

 

Brick Wall, no more! By following Deolinda's sister Catherine, I located her husband obit, then used his birthdate and origin in Flores to locate his baptism in Lajedo. That was done by

 

looking for a similar name in the Flores e Corvo marrige book. Silvestre Antonio Serpa, had the same name as his grandfather. Taking the guess that they are from the same town

 

I located Deolinda's baptisn record on the CCA site. Then used the marriage book to build the tree. I already had some of the ancestors in my files from work on my Vieira family and a

 

friends Xavier and Novo families from the area. So here are your people:

 

 

Eric  Edgar

Ancestors of Deolinda Goncalves Pedro

 

 

Generation No. 1

 

        1.  Deolinda Goncalves Pedro, born 19 Nov 1875 in Lajedo, Lajes das Flores, Azores; died 17 Feb 1953 in Merced County, California.  She was the daughter of 2. Antonio Jose Goncalves and 3. Isabel de Jesus.

 

Generation No. 2

 

        2.  Antonio Jose Goncalves  He was the son of 4. Antonio Furtado Goncalves and 5. Isabel dos Santos.  He married 3. Isabel de Jesus 22 Oct 1850 in Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Lajedo das Lajes, Azores.

        3.  Isabel de Jesus  She was the daughter of 6. Manuel Coelho Ramos and 7. Agueda Clementina de Jesus.

       

Child of Antonio Goncalves and Isabel de Jesus is:

        1                 i.    Deolinda Goncalves Pedro, born 19 Nov 1875 in Lajedo, Lajes das Flores, Azores; died 17 Feb 1953 in Merced County, California.

 

 

Generation No. 3

 

        4.  Antonio Furtado Goncalves  He was the son of 8. Pedro Antonio Goncalves and 9. Maria Ursula.  He married 5. Isabel dos Santos 11 Oct 1827 in Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Lajedo das Lajes, Azores.

        5.  Isabel dos Santos  She was the daughter of 10. Jose Coelho Cereja and 11. Maria dos Santos.

       

Child of Antonio Goncalves and Isabel Santos is:

        2                 i.    Antonio Jose Goncalves, married Isabel de Jesus 22 Oct 1850 in Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Lajedo das Lajes, Azores.

 

 

        6.  Manuel Coelho Ramos  He married 7. Agueda Clementina de Jesus 08 Mar 1823 in Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lajes das Flores, Azores.

        7.  Agueda Clementina de Jesus

       

Child of Manuel Ramos and Agueda de Jesus is:

        3                 i.    Isabel de Jesus, married Antonio Jose Goncalves 22 Oct 1850 in Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Lajedo das Lajes, Azores.

 

 

Generation No. 4

 

        8.  Pedro Antonio Goncalves  He was the son of Joao Lourenco Goncalves and Barbara Lourenco.  He married 9. Maria Ursula 23 Apr 1789 in Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lajes das Flores, Azores.

        9.  Maria Ursula  She was the daughter of Jose Furtado Trigueiro and Ursula Pimentel.

       

Child of Pedro Goncalves and Maria Ursula is:

        4                 i.    Antonio Furtado Goncalves, married Isabel dos Santos 11 Oct 1827 in Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Lajedo das Lajes, Azores.

 

 

        10.  Jose Coelho Cereja  He was the son of Caetano Furtado Cereja and Maria Coelho.  He married 11. Maria dos Santos 14 Feb 1787 in Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lajes das Flores, Azores.

        11.  Maria dos Santos  She was the daughter of Joao Coelho Marreca and Maria de Freitas Baijinha.

       

Child of Jose Cereja and Maria Santos is:

        5                 i.    Isabel dos Santos, married Antonio Furtado Goncalves 11 Oct 1827 in Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Lajedo das Lajes, Azores.

[eric edgar]

Beverly,

 

In tree form

 

Eric Edgar

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 2:19 PM, <bmma...@comcast.net> wrote:

[eric edgar]

Barbara,

 

I've never seen the name Netto in Flores records.   Enos ( Inacio) is seen in the Santa Cruz, Flores area,  especially around Cedros. Take a look at Celeste's post a few back with the

 

 attachment for Frank Enos Sousa.

 

Eric Edgar

[celeste perry]

Eric,  Your detective work is a classic example of a way beyond the "brick walls."  I encourage everyone who has one to copy your trail and keep it handy when those difficult to find ancestors seem to be buried deep.    It is examples like you that give me courage that I will find those that seem to not want to be found.  Keep up the great work.  Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com --- On Wed, 6/9/10, eric edgar <nobla...@gmail.com> wrote:

[belle...@gmail.com]

You are so right, Celeste. I still have hopes of finding my grandmother Isabelle Victor's baptism record one day. Just this week, after 5 years of searching, someone sent me my son in law's gggrandfather's obituary from PA. We never knew exactly when he died, just had a year range. It was nice to know that I wasn't looking for someone who didn't exist.

Eric, keep on, keeping on!! You rock!!

"E"

[bmma...@comcast.net]

Eric,

 

Thank you, Thank you so much.  I thought I would never find her or her family.  I cannot tell you how much this means to me....

 

I have never heard the name CEREJA or TRIGUEIRO before. Are they an Azorean names?  Anybody out there with these names?  If so please contact me.

 

Are we related some how?  Where do you live?  I am here in Merced, CA.  Someone wrote a while back that a lot of Flores people came here and settled in this area.  I think this is true as many of the obits show this.

 

I am so happy. 

Thank you again,

[George Pacheco]

Silvestre Antonio Serpa son of Antonio Rodrigues Serpa and of Maria
Pimentel married on the 25 july 1787in Nossa Senhora do Rosario,
Lajes, Flores with Joana Maria da Trindade daughter of Andre de
Freitas and of Ana Lourenço

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[eric edgar]

Beverly,

 

Cereja is cherry in English. In San Leandro, there is a restaurant maned Villa Cereja run by a Portuguese couple. I haven't found any one beyond Caetano Furtado Cereja in the Flores records.

 

Trigueiro means swarthy. There are a lot of Trigueiros in the south of Flores, especially the family Furtado Trigueiro. The Serpa family that Catherine married into has Furtado Trigueiro ancestors.

 

I'm in Pleasanton, California. My mother was born in Atwater. Your grandfather John B Avila, his brother Antone, and my great grandfather Manuel Luiz Noia were some of the first

 

sweet potato farmers in California.They also worked together on the  founding of St Anthony's church in Atwater, in the Pentacostal Society. My great grandmother Mae Vieira Luiz was

 

active for many years in the UPPEC and the local PTA

 

 

My Noia family is from Ponta Delgada, my Vieira's from Cedros. There is a large colony of Flores people I've found in Merced. Manuel Luiz's sisters all stayed in Flores, married three

 

 different Dias men, then their children came and settled in the area also. I have more stuff coming.

 

 

Eric Edgar

[eric edgar]

Beverly,

 

The Lajedo parish records from the CCA site ( Centro do Conhecimento do Acores) gives the following children for Antonio Jose Goncalves and Isabel de Jesus.

 

I can provide images for each. You'll see a few names used twice. That was common if a child died, that another would get the same name. The baptism record will usually state " the first of this name" ( primeiro do nome), or the second of this name( segundo do nome).

 

Eric Edgar

[Arlene Marcoux]

[henriet...@sbcglobal.net]

Hi Eric, I also have family from Flores. Jeronimo, Noia, they are mostly from Ponta Delgada, Flores. My greatgrandfather went by the name of Manuel Francisco and lived in Stonington, Ct. He also had a brother in Mass. who used Jeronimo as his surname. Have traced most of his ancestors in the book by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes. I have family from all the islands of the Azores.  I live in StoningtonCt. would enjoy speaking to you.   Henrietta

[Cindy D]

I dug out my Flores family. I don't have much to share, just scant
information. I keep hoping to be connected to someone.

Here's my Flores family:

Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 in Flores, immigrated alone at
age 15 to New Bedford
(married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who
later became Joseph S Sylvia)

Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) Pimentel -
Flores
Maria Ursela Pimentel -
Flores

I believe Margarida had a brother "Frank" who married Annie Martin.

That's it. That's all I know. I only got that from the New Bedfored
marriage records. I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here.
Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was
buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death
certificate that might have had additional information. Maggie's
parents were both Pimentels? Or did Maggie not know her mother's
maiden name? I'm dead in the water on anything further.

Cindy D
On the Kansas Plains

On Jun 6, 11:32�pm, John Vasconcelos <gfsjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Yukon...@aol.com]

Hi John,

I usually lurk in the background, only you peaked my interest. I also have found Flores to be a hard nut to crack. You mention a marriage of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas. I was wondering if you have any info  on a Monica Pimentel that married Joao de Fraga 09/Jan/1677/78. Her parents are listed as Bartolomeu Coelho and Maria Pimentel. I don't get to do much research as I now have to use the library and it is not very convenient to get to as I have my grand babies most of the time. I have found Flores quite difficult.

 

Margie

 

In a message dated 6/6/2010 9:32:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gfsj...@gmail.com writes:

I've become envious of the "Ponta Garca Gang" and the "Cabral Travassos Country Club" and their good fortune in finding cousins.  So I hereby establish the "Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society".  We Flores people are not so fortunate as our more easterly "cousins". Flores was subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts, Flores was attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall.

The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa Cruz, Flores who were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, Flores. I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas, whose mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina de Freitas.

How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors?
John Vasconcelos

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[John Vasconcelos]

Margie,

In the Flores marriages book (do you have a copy?) the date of that marriage is listed as 9 Jan 1678. His parents are listed as Miguel de Fraga and Isabel Rodrigues.

 

Unfortunately, that's about as far back as records go on Flores. Since they were both from Santa Cruz, Flores, I would bet that they were closely related although we may never be able to document it. Sorry I can't be of further help on that score. It's the ultimate frustration for Flores researchers. 

John

[Yukon...@aol.com]

Thank you John,

I will have a copy in about a week. I lent my copy to a cousin that lives in another state and she will be down and return. Yes it is so sad that these documents were lost. I lost you when you said they were closely related. Are you referring to Miguel and Isabel? Either way I would not be so surprised My grandfather married his niece. My aunt used to say when I was very little "I'm surprised no one was born with 2 heads and my dad would shoot her a look that would melt ice. He finally explained to me when I was around 12 or so. After studying history in catholic school I realized that was their own demented way to keep the line pure. Yeah right.

Thank you again John, and I would like to join the club although not on very much. When I was abt 10 we went to a home in the south bay where my dad dropped about 30 boxes of grapes. They were for him to make wine. We sat had bread cheese and Madeira wine. Just do not remember his name.

 

Margie

[bmma...@comcast.net]

Eric,

 

I cannot thank you enough for all you have done for me.  I am in awe of your research talent. I think I need to ask you to share with me how you go about finding this information.

Yes, I certainly would like to have you send me the images.

 

My granfathers brother, John B. Avila, was written up in Mr. Santos book as an early sweet potatoe grower.  His daughter Mary married John Damos.

 

My grandfather, Frank B. Avila, died young leaving my grandmother a widow to raise her 5 children alone.  The 3 oldest were girls and they married young.  His sister Rose married Frank Dutra and lived across the street from them.

 

My father,Frank. and his brother,John. were left on the ranch to help their mother.  John was crippled with M.S. but he got around pretty good and he did learn to talk.  I loved that man.  He was a kind gentle soul.

 

What happy memories I have of her and my aunts and uncle.

 

Thank you so much,

Beverly

 

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Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:14:06 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
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Beverly,

 

The Lajedo parish records from the CCA site ( Centro do Conhecimento do Acores) gives the following children for Antonio Jose Goncalves and Isabel de Jesus.

 

I can provide images for each. You'll see a few names used twice. That was common if a child died, that another would get the same name. The baptism record will usually state " the first of this name" ( primeiro do nome), or the second of this name( segundo do nome).

 

Eric Edgar

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:59 AM, eric edgar <nobla...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've become envious of the "Ponta Garca Gang" and the "Cabral Travassos Country Club" and their good fortune in finding cousins.  So I hereby establish the "Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society".  We Flores people are not so fortunate as our more easterly "cousins". Flores was subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts, Flores was attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall.

The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa Cruz, Flores who were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, Flores. I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas, whose mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina de Freitas.

How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors?
John Vasconcelos

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Cereja = Cherry Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA Pesquisando: Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus. --- Em qui, 10/6/10, Arlene Marcoux <avm...@bak.rr.com> escreveu:

[Arlene Marcoux]

Cindy,
I found this in the book, "Familias da Ilha das Flores":

José António Pimentel, Parents.. António José Pimentel and Maria Claudina,
married Maria Ursula do Coração de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents
António Caetano Martins and Maria Usula. From the Morros.
Children were: Maria b.8/6/1876; Francisco b.8/12/1877; Margarida
b.6/17/1879; Ana b.2/27/1882.

I am sorry but it does not list any other families that is connected to
them.

Arlene M.

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[Kawika322]

Hi all,

I have been looking at the Flores posts and wanted to throw my family
line out there to see if there were any connections.

My gg grandfather was Antonio Pedro Freitas. He was born 4 Mar 1853 in
NS Rosario, Lajes de Flores. He also had a brother Jose Freitas Pedro
who was born 8 Nov 1856. Both of them ended up immigrating to Oakland
in the late 1870's to early 1880's. Antonio's parents were Joao
Antoino de Freitas Mendonca and Maria Laurena do Sacramento. They were
married 6 Sep 1849 in Lajes de Flores. The family line for Maria
Luarena do Sacramento gets tricky. Her parents werre Pedro Jose de
Avellar and Ursula Joaquina. Pedro Jose was from Sao Pedro, Ponta
Delgada, Flores and Ursula Joaquina was from Lajes de Flores. They
were married 18 Feb 1813 in Lajes de Flores. Here is where I am having
trouble tracking the line. Both Pedro Jose and Ursula Joaquina were
pai incognitos, meaning that there is no father listed for either of
them. Pedro Jose's mother was Florenca Maria (probably also went by
Florenca de Jesus) and Ursula Joaquin'a mother was Isabel Maria. I was
able to find the birht record for Pedro Jose (16 Oct 1793 in Sao
Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Flores), and it gave me another brick wall
because it stated that his mother Florenca Maria was also a pai
incognito and there is no father listed for her. Her mother is stated
as being Maria Coelho from the Island of Corvo. Any ideas or
information would helpful on that line. As for Ursula Joaquina, I
believe I found her baptismal record from 4 Mar 1798 in Lages de
Flores, but am not totally sure it is the right one. It lists her
mother Isabel Maria and her parents Francisco Pel* (hard to tell from
the record) and Maria Pimentel. I have not been able to find anything
beyond that for them.

If someone has access to the Flores/Corvo Marriage book, would they be
able to do some lookup's?? My Mendonca line also ends up going from
Flores to Corvo at sompoint.

Thanks,

David

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>
> De: Arlene Marcoux <avm6...@bak.rr.com>
> Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
> Para: azo...@googlegroups.com
> Data: Quinta-feira, 10 de Junho de 2010, 17:50
>

> #yiv906910627 P {
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[eric edgar]

David,

 

The Pel on the birth record is most likely the shorthand for Pimentel. You see this a lot in older records. Roiz for Rodrigues, Ant for Antonio, Ma for Maria. etc

 

I have ancestors also that had a pai incognito and a named mother from Corvo. With a name like Maria Coelho, you are likely at the end of the road. Coelho is one of the most common names on Corvo, Maria, the most common womans name.

 

I have the Flores marrige book here. Who are you looking for/

 

Eric Edgar

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[Shirley Sereque]

Arlene Marcoux wrote:
> Cindy,
> I found this in the book, "Familias da Ilha das Flores":

Hi, Arlene!
Are there any Rocha or Benarus there? Maria Rocha was born in
Flores in the 1840s. Miguel Sereque followed her to Bosten where they
were married in 1878. She had been married once before marrying Miguel,
probably in Flores.
Also, Benarus is another name in my family.
Thanks for any info!
- Shirl -

[Arlene Marcoux]

Hi Shirl,

This book, "Familias da Ilha das Flores", only covers Vila das Lajes,
fregusias da Fazenda and do Lajedo (1757-1888) Portuguese alphabetize names
by their First name first and not by their last name. This book only shows
the males names. Looking up their names will tell you what sections they
are in and then it will give the names of their ancestors and/or descendants
to 1888. So giving a last name only or a woman's name, is impossible to
find.
I have not seen the name Benarus.
Because a lot of names are alike, it helps to give dates if possible and/or
some other members of the family. There is not a section for Rocha, but
that name could appear in another named section.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Arlene M

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To: <azo...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flores

Hi, Arlene!
Are there any Rocha or Benarus there? Maria Rocha was born in
Flores in the 1840s. Miguel Sereque followed her to Bosten where they
were married in 1878. She had been married once before marrying Miguel,
probably in Flores.
Also, Benarus is another name in my family.
Thanks for any info!
- Shirl -

--

[Shirley Sereque]

Hi, Arlene!
Thanks so much for trying.
- Shirl -

[Shirley Sereque]

Oops! His name may have been spelled Manuel Rocha.

[Shirley Sereque]

Hi!
I just found out that Maria Rocha's father was Manoel Rocha. If
Maria were born in the 1840s, would he be born in the 1810s or 1820s?
- Shirl -

[Arlene Marcoux]

Shirl,

If I find a Manuel Rocha, I will let you know.

Arlene M.

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[Arlene Marcoux]

Shirl,

He could be. All depends how old he was when she was born.

Arlene M.

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[Shirley Sereque]

Arlene Marcoux wrote:
> Shirl,
> If I find a Manuel Rocha, I will let you know.

Arlene- Manuel Rocha's wife ws Antonia L. Rocha, parents of Maria Rocha
who was born on Flores and died in Boston, MA.
- Shirl -

[Cindy D]

Arlene!
This is terrific info! Margarida's birth date in this record is
almost on the money, June 1879. I never had a birth day date...never
found their deaths either. Anyway, family history notes that Maggie
had a brother Frank. I'm guessing, but couldn't Francisco be
Americanized to "Frank"?? This further indicates this is probably the
right family. It gives me plenty to work with.

I don't understand the naming process as Maria Ursula de Jesus has "do
Coracao" in the middle. Is that a name or a place? Also, what does,
"From the Morros" mean?

Thanks again Arlene, this is just so wonderful as i've never been able
to find anything on my Azorean past. I owe you coffee and a
malasada.

This gives me hope that I will be able to find more on the Pimentels.
I know you'll think this is crazy but when I was a kid in the 50's my
grandfather told us that his uncle Manuel Pimentel was hung for being
a pirate, I don't know where or when or how as I didn't care back
then, so I was really hoping to find out what that was all about some
day. As a kid we blew off that story and laughed, but now I'm
learning to pay attention to the family lore as eventually, I find
there's usually a grain of truth in there. I find it oddly exciting
to think I have a pirate ancestor! Arrr!

Cindy D

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> Cindy,
> I found this in the book, "Familias da Ilha das Flores":
>

> Jos� Ant�nio Pimentel, Parents.. Ant�nio Jos� Pimentel and Maria Claudina,
> married Maria Ursula do Cora�o de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents
> Ant�nio Caetano Martins and Maria Usula. �From the Morros.

> > establish the "Flores Genealogy andDrinkingSociety". We Flores people

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[Sam Koester]

Cindy; Just jumping in here because I have a grandmother who also was Coracao de Jesus in her name. It means "heart of Jesus" and is a religious term, not "really" a name.

Just my two cents, Sam in CA

[John Vasconcelos]

Cindy,

Sam is on the right track. Her full name was more than likely "Maria Ursula do Coracao de Jesus" or "Maria Ursula of the (Sacred) Heart of Jesus" if you translate it literally. "Morros" is a section of Lages Flores (ie a location name).

 

As an aside, there seem to be a lot of "Ursulas" on Flores, some of them being ancestors of mine (case in point, my 3G grandmother Ursula Pimentel.) I've always thought of Ursula as a Scandanavian or at least Northern European woman's first name (remember the actress Ursula Andres). How did it ever get to Flores?

John Vasconcelos

 

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[Arlene Marcoux]

Cindy,

 

Yes, Francisco is Americanized to Frank.

 

Arlene M

[Cindy D]

Arlene...

Thought you'd want to know that the information you provided IS my
family. My mom dug out a note with info from her aunt that never
really made sense before, but with your information, we understand now
that the note says Margarida had 2 sisters, Ana and Mary and one
brother, Frank which is on the money with your information. I cannot
thank you enough for this. I'd have looked for a thousand years
before I'd have figured it out on my own. Thank you, thank you,
thank you!

I started entering it my tree program yesterday, but I'm puzzled about
the names. Maria Ursula do Coacao de Jesus, her parents are Antonio
Caetano Martins and Maria Usula.....her father has a different last
name? Is there something here that would tell me Maria's mother's
maiden name?

I've had great difficulty with the naming....is there someplace I can
go to learn about how they get their names??

Thank you again,
Cindy D
Kansas

On Jun 14, 1:48 pm, "Arlene Marcoux" <avm6...@bak.rr.com> wrote:

> Cindy,
> I found this in the book, "Familias da Ilha dasFlores":
>
> José António Pimentel, Parents.. António José Pimentel and Maria Claudina,
> married Maria Ursula do Coração de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents
> António Caetano Martins and Maria Usula.  From the Morros.
> Children were:  Maria b.8/6/1876;  Francisco b.8/12/1877;  Margarida
> b.6/17/1879;  Ana b.2/27/1882.
>
> I am sorry but it does not list any other families that is connected to
> them.
>
> Arlene M.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy D" <kcci...@aol.com>
> To: "Azores Genealogy" <azo...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:07 AM

> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re:FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society
>
> I dug out myFloresfamily.  I don't have much to share, just scant

> information.  I keep hoping to be connected to someone.
>
> Here's myFloresfamily:
>

> Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 inFlores, immigrated alone at

> age 15 to New Bedford
>    (married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who
> later became Joseph S Sylvia)
>
> Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) Pimentel -Flores
>                                           Maria Ursela Pimentel -Flores
>
> I believe Margarida had a brother "Frank" who married Annie Martin.
>
> That's it.  That's all I know.  I only got that from the New Bedfored
> marriage records.  I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here.
> Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was
> buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death
> certificate that might have had additional information.  Maggie's
> parents were both Pimentels?   Or did Maggie not know her mother's
> maiden name?  I'm dead in the water on anything further.
>
> Cindy D
> On the Kansas Plains
>
> On Jun 6, 11:32 pm, John Vasconcelos <gfsjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've become envious of the "Ponta Garca Gang" and the "Cabral Travassos
> > Country Club" and their good fortune in finding cousins. So I hereby

> > establish the "FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society". WeFlorespeople
> > are
> > not so fortunate as our more easterly "cousins".Floreswas subject to the

> > plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors
> > and

> > their institutions. According to historical accounts,Floreswas attacked

> > by
> > Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a
> > result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on
> > neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall.
>
> > The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors
> > was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa
> > Cruz,

> >Floreswho were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the

> > 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga,
> > date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz,
> >Flores.
> > I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas,
> > whose
> > mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina
> > de
> > Freitas.
>
> > How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors?
> > John Vasconcelos
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[Cindy D]

Thanks for the name help info....if Coracao de Jesus is a religious
term, then it's not her maiden name? The naming customs have my head
spinning.

Cindy D
Kansas

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[Cindy D]

I found information on the internet apparently a Flemish nobleman/
pioneer Willam Van der Haegen, (later adopted Silviera as his name)
was one of the early settlers. Perhaps Ursula came from there.

I was also surprised to find so much information at the John Carter
Brown Library in Providence RI, on the Portuguese renaissance of their
intellectuals and scholars. There is currently an online exhibition of
their books. Very interesting!

Cindy D
Kansas

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> *Cindy, *
> *Sam is on the right track. Her full name was more than likely "Maria Ursula

> do Coracao de Jesus" or "Maria Ursula of the (Sacred) Heart of Jesus" if you
> translate it literally. "Morros" is a section of Lages Flores (ie a location

> name).*
> **
> *As an aside, there seem to be a lot of "Ursulas" on Flores, some of them

> being ancestors of mine (case in point, my 3G grandmother Ursula Pimentel.)
> I've always thought of Ursula as a Scandanavian or at least Northern
> European woman's first name (remember the actress Ursula Andres). How did it

> ever get to Flores?*
> *John Vasconcelos*
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[danan...@comcast.net]

Maria do Coracao de Jesus is her first name.

 

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[Sam Koester]

Cindy; I am certainly no expert but; from what I have learned, women in the
Azores in this time period did not routinely use a surname. Again, this
largely depends on the time frame. Children could have a surname of their
mother, father, grandparent on either side, distant relative, etc. If you
had 6 children in a family, they could have 6 different surnames. The use
of surnames was in part a way to honor ancestors so, they covered as many
bases as possible. (Now, that was a bit of a generalization but; just to
give you the idea.)

Also, very often you will have several Marias that are siblings. These
Marias would also have a second name and that is the name they would be
called by. (Maria, of course, would be honoring the Virgin Mary.)

Next you have the issue of 2nd, 3rd, etc. of the same name because the
previous one, two, etc. had passed on early in their lives and the parents
gave the next child of the same sex the same name....

No one said this genealogy thing would be easy...... :-) Sam in CA

[John Vasconcelos]

Cindy,
Adding to what Sam said, very often male children would be given their mother's surname (when she had one). This would often happen when the mother had no male siblings to pass on the the grandfather's surname. It would sometimes happen when the mother was from a more prominant family.  Both of these cases occur in my family tree.
I hope that doesn't totally confuse you now.

There is another interesting situation in my mother's family. Her father was Jose Joaquin de Freitas.  Her mother was Anna Jose Corvello. I had always known her as Ana Freitas Vasconcelos (ie logic would say that her maiden name was Ana Freitas.) WRONG. On one of my trips to Flores I checked at the civil registry and found my parents marriage certificate. I was amazed to learn that her maiden name was Ana de Freitas Corvelo (same for her other sisters). Her brothers carried Freitas as their surname: ie Francisco Freitas and Jose [Joaquim] Freitas. That is another common custom in the Azores: male children take the father's surname and females take their mothers, surname.
Regards,
John Vasconcelos

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[celeste perry]

Cindy,    The best way I have found to think of Portuguese names, first, middle, last, is that there is no convention for names.  If you remember this, you will do fine with what you find.    Several male siblings (same mother & father) can have different surnames.  I have found that (depending on the time period) males (usually) had first, middle & last names (many times not the surname I expected.    Again, depending on the time period, women had first and middle (usually christian) names.  THEY did not have surnames in ANY of the records I have seen for certain time periods.  When they were baptized, only their first name was used in the record.  When they married, their first & middle names were usually used (unless they were the widow of ... (his name was written in full).  When they died, again, their first & middle name and if their husband died before them, they were listed as the widow of... (deceased husband's full name was listed.    The lack of naming convention can drive you crazy and, still, we do find the information we seek with a lot of tenacity and help from others.    Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com --- On Wed, 6/23/10, Cindy D <kcc...@aol.com> wrote:

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[Arlene Marcoux]

I am glad your mom found a note to confirm what I sent you. Glad I could
help.
I see that many answered your question about names. I also have Ursula in
my ancestors.
There was no law that you had to give your child any last name other than
the one they gave at baptism. I believe it was in 1944 they changed the law
to add father's last name. In Brazil as well as the Azores. There
religious names were probably given to them at the time of their
Confirmation in the Church.

Arlene

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Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:01 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society

Arlene...

Thought you'd want to know that the information you provided IS my
family. My mom dug out a note with info from her aunt that never
really made sense before, but with your information, we understand now
that the note says Margarida had 2 sisters, Ana and Mary and one
brother, Frank which is on the money with your information. I cannot
thank you enough for this. I'd have looked for a thousand years
before I'd have figured it out on my own. Thank you, thank you,
thank you!

I started entering it my tree program yesterday, but I'm puzzled about
the names. Maria Ursula do Coacao de Jesus, her parents are Antonio
Caetano Martins and Maria Usula.....her father has a different last
name? Is there something here that would tell me Maria's mother's
maiden name?

I've had great difficulty with the naming....is there someplace I can
go to learn about how they get their names??

Thank you again,
Cindy D
Kansas

On Jun 14, 1:48 pm, "Arlene Marcoux" <avm6...@bak.rr.com> wrote:
> Cindy,
> I found this in the book, "Familias da Ilha dasFlores":
>

> Jos� Ant�nio Pimentel, Parents.. Ant�nio Jos� Pimentel and Maria Claudina,
> married Maria Ursula do Cora��o de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents
> Ant�nio Caetano Martins and Maria Usula. From the Morros.