Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation? Help - d'Aguiar, d'Oliveira and Rapozo - Ginetes
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Altino Demelo
Sep 21, 2012, 7:09:49 PM9/21/12
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The second record reads Thomas d'Oliveira and Maria d'Aguiar
His father is Pedro ... And Barbara Travassos. Her parents are Antonio Simoes and Maria de Aguiar.
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Utilizing the Ernesto do Canto indices I found three marraiges in the records of Ginetes - unforunately for two of them I can read the mothers full name but not the fathers; and I am confused on the fathers name for the third:1. Cath. Ferreiera married Manuel Rapazo on 21 October 1691 - her mothers is given as Maria Ferreira and her father as Mel (Manuel?) ANDIADES?2. Thomazo d'Oliveira married Maria d'Aguiar on 24 February 1695 - his father is given as Pedro ........ and mother was as Barbara Travossos. Is the fathers suraname d'Oliveira? or unknown? There is a marriage early enough to be these parents under the nameso of Pedro Garcia and Barbara Travossos in the 1670's.3. Maria d'Aguiar who married the above Thomazo in 1695 - her father is given as Antonio SIR/SIV??CO - her mother was (yet, another, Maria d'Aguiar).I just want to make sure I have these surnames correct. Any help appreciated.--
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Altino Demelo
Sep 21, 2012, 7:17:56 PM9/21/12
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The first record reads 21 October 1696, Manuel Raposo and Catarina Ferreira. His parents are Manuel Raposo and Maria de Sousa. Her parents are Manuel de Andrade and Maria Ferreira.
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Marcio Borba
Sep 21, 2012, 7:22:01 PM9/21/12
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Altino Demelo
Sep 21, 2012, 7:35:04 PM9/21/12
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Lee, i have a feeling that canto couldn't make out the fathers name in the orignal record for your Pedro in the second marriage you enquired about.
Here's the record (top of the second page).
Perhaps you can make it out or someone else might be able to.
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation? Help - d'Aguiar, d'Oliveira and Rapozo - Ginetes
Utilizing the Ernesto do Canto indices I found three marraiges in the records of Ginetes - unforunately for two of them I can read the mothers full name but not the fathers; and I am confused
on the fathers name for the third:
1. Cath. Ferreiera married Manuel Rapazo on 21 October 1691 - her mothers is given as Maria Ferreira and her father as Mel (Manuel?) ANDIADES?
2. Thomazo d'Oliveira married Maria d'Aguiar on 24 February 1695 - his father is given as Pedro ........ and mother was as Barbara Travossos. Is the fathers suraname d'Oliveira? or unknown? There is a marriage early enough to be these parents under the nameso of Pedro Garcia and Barbara Travossos in the 1670's.
3. Maria d'Aguiar who married the above Thomazo in 1695 - her father is given as Antonio SIR/SIV??CO - her mother was (yet, another, Maria d'Aguiar).
Cheri Mello
Sep 21, 2012, 8:48:57 PM9/21/12
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I don't know what you guys are looking at exactly.
Canto's original indices are handwritten. He did this sometime in the mid-1800s. He has pretty nice penmanship. Where he couldn't read something, he put the ellipsis (...). Rodrigo came back through and added to the records in the early 1900s. His handwriting is more of a scrawl and a little heavier (see attached scan).
Cheri Mello
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Canto's original indices are handwritten. He did this sometime in the mid-1800s. He has pretty nice penmanship. Where he couldn't read something, he put the ellipsis (...). Rodrigo came back through and added to the records in the early 1900s. His handwriting is more of a scrawl and a little heavier (see attached scan).
Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
Altino Demelo
Sep 21, 2012, 11:44:15 PM9/21/12
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Lee, if you look really close, i think the year is 1696. (The next couple married underneath them is Manuel da Costa and Maria da Sousa, married in 1697.
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation? Help - d'Aguiar, d'Oliveira and Rapozo - Ginetes
Altino - just looked at the document - this may be the wrong one - they were married in 1695; this one says 1697. And you're correct - it's hard to read.
Lee....
On Friday, September 21, 2012 7:09:53 PM UTC-4, Altino DeMelo wrote:
The second record reads Thomas d'Oliveira and Maria d'AguiarHis father is Pedro ... And Barbara Travassos. Her parents are Antonio Simoes and Maria de Aguiar.
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Utilizing the Ernesto do Canto indices I found three marraiges in the records of Ginetes - unforunately for two of them I can read the mothers full name but not the fathers; and I am confused on the fathers name for the third:1. Cath. Ferreiera married Manuel Rapazo on 21 October 1691 - her mothers is given as Maria Ferreira and her father as Mel (Manuel?) ANDIADES?2. Thomazo d'Oliveira married Maria d'Aguiar on 24 February 1695 - his father is given as Pedro ........ and mother was as Barbara Travossos. Is the fathers suraname d'Oliveira? or unknown? There is a marriage early enough to be these parents under the nameso of Pedro Garcia and Barbara Travossos in the 1670's.3. Maria d'Aguiar who married the above Thomazo in 1695 - her father is given as Antonio SIR/SIV??CO - her mother was (yet, another, Maria d'Aguiar).I just want to make sure I have these surnames correct. Any help appreciated.--
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Lee Estep
Sep 22, 2012, 8:03:00 AM9/22/12
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Will do – and thanks again.
Altino Demelo
Sep 22, 2012, 11:26:36 AM9/22/12
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Lee, can you give me a date to see the Glbr in a name and i will check it out and get back to you.
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation? Help - d'Aguiar, d'Oliveira and Rapozo - Ginetes
Altino, I looked at the indice again and it clearly states 24 7ber (July/August - or is this September/) 1695 - couple listed under them is Domingues Carvalho and Maria Martins - it's on page 20.
Also, another question - I keep running into a name like Antonio Gbro? Any idea what this is? And sometimes Glbr? as a surname?
Hopefully, we can figure this out, so I won't be "bugging" you again.
Lee
Cheri Mello
Sep 22, 2012, 11:28:31 AM9/22/12
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Yes, Canto or Rodrigues or anyone else can get the date wrong. It happens. Especially in some of those badly deteriorated records.
Hermano Pires
Nov 13, 2012, 5:10:48 PM11/13/12
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Cheri
I can only guess that Lee must be refering to the Carlos Machado's work that can be seen in the Cultural Acores Site,
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