Mainland cheese (Fonterra)

[Abusive Liar Party]

https://www.facebook.com/BH.Australia/photos/a.131345560347589.30174.131315043683974/485912568224218/?type=1

At the lower left is an halal symbol, just to the right of that a symbol
saying 'chuck it in the bin'.

Non-halal cheese options are here:
http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists_nonhalal.html

Ashgrove
Castello
La Casa de Formiggio
Margaret River Dairy Company
Wattle Valley(provides both -
http://www.halalchoices.com.au/sub_pages/wattle_valley.html)




--
This is what Australia would look like with the ALP and without iron ore
and coal:
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=greece+riots&tbm=isch

Tax Receipts, Costello: 2003-07: 982,341
Tax Receipts, Swan: 2007-11: 1,174,203
Difference: ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY-ONE BILLION DOLLARS
http://www.treasury.gov.au/Policy-Topics/Taxation/Pocket-Guide-to-the-Australian-Tax-System/Pocket-Guide-to-the-Australian-Tax-System/Appendix-C

ALP ineptitude = $20b opening balance + $280b closing balance + $191b
more revenue = $491b

So what did Labor leave as a legacy after WASTING $491 BILLION?
NO INFRASTRUCTURE
600,000 MORE UNEMPLOYED
60,000 VISA CHEATS
14,000+ PAGES OF LEGISLATION
1 X MISOGYNY SPEECH

ALP versus Jobs:
http://www.roymorgan.com/~/media/Files/Morgan%20Poll/2014/October/5842-monthly.JPG

The Basic Laws of Australian Labor:
"A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a
group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly
incurring losses"
http://www.zoon.cc/stupid/

Labor's scorecard:
600,000 more unemployed, 3 minus 3 car manufacturers equals zero,
Whyalla on life support, a decimated aluminium industry, doubled
electricity prices, quarter of a million immigrants and no new
infrasructure, fourteen thousand new pages of legislation, one abuse
hypocritical and silly speech on 'misogyny', four deceased apprentices,
one thousand two hundred drowned asylum seekers, a handbag with an
affinity for being fingered (up the rear) by small Asian women, one
"world's greatest finance minister", three huge unfunded promises,
cancellation of the "$500b investment pipeline", another stolen
generation, 1,000 kids in detention, 50,000 unwanted & unqualified visa
cheats
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-16/boat-arrivals-by-year-graph/4694210),
two fraud artists - an MP and an ALP national president, one paedophile
- convicted, that is, one former rape suspect, one lazy Victorian police
force, insufficient evidence, lost evidence, destruction of evidence and
half a trillion dollars of debt, one squandered mining boom
(http://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2009/jan/images/lvl-dist-mining-graph3.gif),
one (um) jumped-up twit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PguhkVG49To),
one minus one democracy (http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/?p=4905) and
last but not least ... the first fat arsed PM in Australian history
(http://tinyurl.com/Gillard4Sale).

#auspol #ausdebate

[dechucka]

"Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
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> https://www.facebook.com/BH.Australia/photos/a.131345560347589.30174.131315043683974/485912568224218/?type=1
>
> At the lower left is an halal symbol, just to the right of that a symbol
> saying 'chuck it in the bin'.
>
> Non-halal cheese options are here:
> http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists_nonhalal.html

Isn't choice wonderful. You have choice why are you trying to deny choice to
other people and to business?

[Clocky]

It's limiting choice. I don't want to buy anything Halal certified as I
totally object to what it represents.

But now my choices are limited through no fault of my own and it's
discriminatory. If they want Halal that is fine, but I want a choice to
buy non-Halal where there is a guarantee that my $ are not going to any
Islamic organisation as a choice - for the same products.

[dechucka]

"Clocky" <not...@happen.com> wrote in message
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> On 5/04/2015 4:52 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>
>> "Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:cob0n0...@mid.individual.net...
>>> https://www.facebook.com/BH.Australia/photos/a.131345560347589.30174.131315043683974/485912568224218/?type=1
>>>
>>>
>>> At the lower left is an halal symbol, just to the right of that a
>>> symbol saying 'chuck it in the bin'.
>>>
>>> Non-halal cheese options are here:
>>> http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists_nonhalal.html
>>
>> Isn't choice wonderful. You have choice why are you trying to deny
>> choice to other people and to business?
>
>
> It's limiting choice. I don't want to buy anything Halal certified as I
> totally object to what it represents.

So you have a choice, allow those who want Halal and businesses who want to
profit from it to also have a choice

>
> But now my choices are limited through no fault of my own and it's
> discriminatory. If they want Halal that is fine, but I want a choice to
> buy non-Halal where there is a guarantee that my $ are not going to any
> Islamic organisation as a choice - for the same products.

Then buy from businesses who have made the choice not to get Halal
certification.

This 'choice' thing that you feel you deserve applies to all people

[Petzl]

On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 07:26:19 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

If you want you your loved ones to be cursed buy "Halal Certified"
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100938448
--
Petzl
The Christian belief and fact is Moslems are deceived.
Like Schizophrenics, they need therapy;
Not confirmation of their delusions.
The recognized place of worship in a Christian Nation is a Christian Church.
Mosques are the recognized place of worship only in Moslem countries
Australia's only legally defined God is our Christian God whose compound redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ
Something as simple as denying Moslems a place to pray is all it takes to make them leave voluntarily and peacefully.

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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for gods sake you are a religious nutter as crazy as any. Choice is what
matters. If you don't want to eat Halal food fine but stop impinging on
other peoples choice. That is what is wrong with you zealots you want to
IMPOSE your beliefs on others

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 06:52:59 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Cut him some slack, at least the moron is consistent.

[dechucka]

"Jeßus" <pr...@aipac.org> wrote in message
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Consistently being a moron is not something for him to be proud of.

I find these zealots selfish, they demand choice but won't allow others the
same opportunity

[Clocky]

Including me. With ever increasing products being certified my choices
are becoming severely limited through no fault of my own.

If they want to pander to minorities that's fine, just make line of
products that are certified where with the premium for the certification
included and products for the majority where it isn't. Let the market
decide what gets left on the shelf...

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 10:32:34 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Well, no. I was being facetious of course.

>I find these zealots selfish, they demand choice but won't allow others the
>same opportunity

I know the type... their idea of a decent society is inconsistent,
contradictory and unworkable.

[dechucka]

"Clocky" <not...@happen.com> wrote in message

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of course it is your fault, you aren't buying enough

> If they want to pander to minorities that's fine, just make line of
> products that are certified where with the premium for the certification
> included and products for the majority where it isn't.

if was economical they probably would, however if you want to limit your
choice as a minority so be it

> Let the market decide what gets left on the shelf...

The market is deciding

[Petzl]

ALL of Christian Australians are also now becoming aware of this Halal
Certification scam
Most recognize product as cursed and will never go back to it
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/beastmark.html
USa,Europe, Japan and China are growing in boycotting Halal
Certification.
--
Petzl
(Joel 2:3)
Fire devours before them,
and behind them a flame burns.
The land is like the garden of Eden before them,
but behind them a desolate wilderness,
and nothing escapes them.

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:33d1ial1p96b9i21t...@4ax.com...

no they're not or can you cite. Most Christians are not bigoted zealots like
you and actually do love thy neighbour

[Abusive Liar Party]

The question of 'choice' is now becoming interesting with some
businesses both acceding to halal certification but also refusing to
display it on their products - and there is the question of meat.

[Abusive Liar Party]

On 5/04/2015 11:07 AM, pr...@aipac.org wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 10:32:34 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jeßus" <pr...@aipac.org> wrote in message
>> news:3001ia5gol5mh64b7...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 06:52:59 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:cob0n0...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/BH.Australia/photos/a.131345560347589.30174.131315043683974/485912568224218/?type=1
>>>>>
>>>>> At the lower left is an halal symbol, just to the right of that a symbol
>>>>> saying 'chuck it in the bin'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Non-halal cheese options are here:
>>>>> http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists_nonhalal.html
>>>>
>>>> Isn't choice wonderful. You have choice why are you trying to deny choice
>>>> to
>>>> other people and to business?
>>>
>>> Cut him some slack, at least the moron is consistent.
>>

>> Consistently being a moron is not something to be proud of.

ROTFL!

>
> Well, no.
>

ROTFL^2

>> I find these zealots selfish, they demand choice but won't allow others the
>> same opportunity
>
> I know the type... their idea of a decent society is inconsistent,
> contradictory and unworkable.
>

When you are done, could you explain where people can get Vegemite or
equivalent, or Salmon and be certain that none of the money goes to the
Muslim brotherhood?

[dechucka]

"Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

news:cobvve...@mid.individual.net...

> On 5/04/2015 7:22 AM, Clocky wrote:
>> On 5/04/2015 4:52 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>
>>> "Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:cob0n0...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/BH.Australia/photos/a.131345560347589.30174.131315043683974/485912568224218/?type=1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At the lower left is an halal symbol, just to the right of that a
>>>> symbol saying 'chuck it in the bin'.
>>>>
>>>> Non-halal cheese options are here:
>>>> http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists_nonhalal.html
>>>
>>> Isn't choice wonderful. You have choice why are you trying to deny
>>> choice to other people and to business?
>>
>>
>> It's limiting choice. I don't want to buy anything Halal certified as I
>> totally object to what it represents.
>>
>> But now my choices are limited through no fault of my own and it's
>> discriminatory. If they want Halal that is fine, but I want a choice to
>> buy non-Halal where there is a guarantee that my $ are not going to any
>> Islamic organisation as a choice - for the same products.
>>
>
> The question of 'choice' is now becoming interesting with some businesses
> both acceding to halal certification but also refusing to display it on
> their products - and there is the question of meat.

How do Moslems know it is Halal?

[dechucka]

"Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

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> On 5/04/2015 11:07 AM, pr...@aipac.org wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 10:32:34 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Jeßus" <pr...@aipac.org> wrote in message
>>> news:3001ia5gol5mh64b7...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 06:52:59 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:cob0n0...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/BH.Australia/photos/a.131345560347589.30174.131315043683974/485912568224218/?type=1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the lower left is an halal symbol, just to the right of that a
>>>>>> symbol
>>>>>> saying 'chuck it in the bin'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Non-halal cheese options are here:
>>>>>> http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists_nonhalal.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't choice wonderful. You have choice why are you trying to deny
>>>>> choice
>>>>> to
>>>>> other people and to business?
>>>>
>>>> Cut him some slack, at least the moron is consistent.
>>>
>>> Consistently being a moron is not something to be proud of.
>
> ROTFL!

sad

[Petzl]

On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 16:27:29 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>

wrote:

>
>"Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
>news:cobvve...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 5/04/2015 7:22 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 5/04/2015 4:52 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:cob0n0...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/BH.Australia/photos/a.131345560347589.30174.131315043683974/485912568224218/?type=1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At the lower left is an halal symbol, just to the right of that a
>>>>> symbol saying 'chuck it in the bin'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Non-halal cheese options are here:
>>>>> http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists_nonhalal.html
>>>>
>>>> Isn't choice wonderful. You have choice why are you trying to deny
>>>> choice to other people and to business?
>>>
>>>
>>> It's limiting choice. I don't want to buy anything Halal certified as I
>>> totally object to what it represents.
>>>
>>> But now my choices are limited through no fault of my own and it's
>>> discriminatory. If they want Halal that is fine, but I want a choice to
>>> buy non-Halal where there is a guarantee that my $ are not going to any
>>> Islamic organisation as a choice - for the same products.
>>>
>>
>> The question of 'choice' is now becoming interesting with some businesses
>> both acceding to halal certification but also refusing to display it on
>> their products - and there is the question of meat.
>
>How do Moslems know it is Halal?

Moslems say they already know what haram foods to avoid because it’s
part of their teachings, and the list is quite small. If there is
doubt (mashbooh) whether a food is halal, a simple prayer is said over
the food and it immediately becomes halal.

There are no non-food products listed in the Qur’an and Hadith. The
non-food additions are invented by the scammers. Islamic scholars
confirm this.

At best Halal Certification is a parasitic scam making food
untouchable by observant Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhist and Hindus
when it is produced.

Q: How did Moslems make food "Halal" before certification?
A: A Muslim can easily make any food halal (permissible) by praying
over it (simply by pronouncing 'bismillah' over their meal), just as
observant Christians say grace.

[Jeßus]

Oh FFS... 'Christian Australians'? You're just as bad as that other
tool.

>Most recognize product as cursed and will never go back to it
>http://www.hope-of-israel.org/beastmark.html
>USa,Europe, Japan and China are growing in boycotting Halal
>Certification.

You know, I really don't care.

[Gordon Levi]

Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>When you are done, could you explain where people can get Vegemite or
>equivalent, or Salmon and be certain that none of the money goes to the
>Muslim brotherhood?

Can you explain where people can buy _any_ product and be certain that
none of the money goes to Muslim terrorists? Start here
<http://crudeoilpeak.info/australian-oil-and-fuel-dependency-on-the-middle-east-is-37>.

[Petzl]

Last census had over 60% of Australains as Christian

>>Most recognize product as cursed and will never go back to it
>>http://www.hope-of-israel.org/beastmark.html
>>USa,Europe, Japan and China are growing in boycotting Halal
>>Certification.
>
>You know, I really don't care.

If you have a Australian "Halal Certificate" you have ben conned!
There in reality no suh thing, except you allow a Moslem to mark it
with the number of the best "Bismillah" which means (literally) "In
the name of Allah". cursing all who even touch it!
Revelation 13:1-18

There is no single halal certifying body in Australia, as there is in
other countries. Here there is a growing list of 36 certifying outfits
all a fraud. all with varying motives, from expanding Islam to
expanding private bank accounts. They madly compete with each other in
a growing turf war. The end consumer (and beleaguered taxpayer)
bankrolls it all.

Consumer law has unquestionably been breached (misleading and
deceptive conduct) and it’s only a matter of time before authorities
step in and legal action is commenced. The push is now on to regulate
an unregulated national scam.

[Abusive Liar Party]

Pathetic. So now you argue that because we are dependent on import
commodity X we should relinquish *all* *choice* over domestic product Y
which is *completely* *unrelated* to X.

Actually there is a tenuous relationship. The scammers inserting
themselves in the marketing of Y in many cases originate from the same
countries as X and share the same religion as the rulers/leaders of X,
so your new thesis amounts to what your comrades call 'racist'.

[Jeßus]

And how many of them are actual practicing xtians?

>>>Most recognize product as cursed and will never go back to it
>>>http://www.hope-of-israel.org/beastmark.html
>>>USa,Europe, Japan and China are growing in boycotting Halal
>>>Certification.
>>
>>You know, I really don't care.
>
>If you have a Australian "Halal Certificate" you have ben conned!
>There in reality no suh thing, except you allow a Moslem to mark it
>with the number of the best "Bismillah" which means (literally) "In
>the name of Allah". cursing all who even touch it!
>Revelation 13:1-18

I haven't checked, but I don't think I have anything here with such
certification. I don't buy much from supermarkets though.

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Of course that food must also be processed according to the 'Laws" as well
eg must be killed in a certain manner

>If there is
> doubt (mashbooh) whether a food is halal, a simple prayer is said over
> the food and it immediately becomes halal.

Wrong are you saying a pray can make pork Halal :-)

snip

[Petzl]

Not only xtians,
Sikhs, Buddhist and Hindus are also forbidden to touch Halal offerings
Major majority of Australian have a Christian history and are
disgusted in paying Islam terrorist funding tax, costing families a
extra $800 P/A on their bills!

>>>>Most recognize product as cursed and will never go back to it
>>>>http://www.hope-of-israel.org/beastmark.html
>>>>USa,Europe, Japan and China are growing in boycotting Halal
>>>>Certification.
>>>
>>>You know, I really don't care.
>>
>>If you have a Australian "Halal Certificate" you have ben conned!
>>There in reality no suh thing, except you allow a Moslem to mark it
>>with the number of the best "Bismillah" which means (literally) "In
>>the name of Allah". cursing all who even touch it!
>>Revelation 13:1-18
>
>I haven't checked, but I don't think I have anything here with such
>certification. I don't buy much from supermarkets though.
>

ALL Australian Certifiers are a scam. Certification only applies to
the cruel Islamic slaughter of meat. To get one of those the overseas
Moslem country sends in their own.

As it stands now you can print your own as Halal Certification has no
validity in Australia, In fact it's illegal to demand money for this
scam
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/restaurants-at-mercy-of-violent-extortionists-20121206-2ay74.html

>>There is no single halal certifying body in Australia, as there is in
>>other countries. Here there is a growing list of 36 certifying outfits
>>all a fraud. all with varying motives, from expanding Islam to
>>expanding private bank accounts. They madly compete with each other in
>>a growing turf war. The end consumer (and beleaguered taxpayer)
>>bankrolls it all.
>>
>>Consumer law has unquestionably been breached (misleading and
>>deceptive conduct) and it’s only a matter of time before authorities
>>step in and legal action is commenced. The push is now on to regulate
>>an unregulated national scam.

[Gordon Levi]

So don't buy any petrol or any products that have been transported.
You can be almost sure the money is going to an Islamic organisation
if you do.

The hysteria over spending one hundredth of a cent for Halal
certification of a jar of Vegemite compared to filling your car with
petrol sourced from the Middle East oil is ridiculous.

[dechucka]

"Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
news:cocg41...@mid.individual.net...

> On 5/04/2015 7:54 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>> Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> When you are done, could you explain where people can get Vegemite or
>>> equivalent, or Salmon and be certain that none of the money goes to the
>>> Muslim brotherhood?
>>
>> Can you explain where people can buy _any_ product and be certain that
>> none of the money goes to Muslim terrorists? Start here
>> <http://crudeoilpeak.info/australian-oil-and-fuel-dependency-on-the-middle-east-is-37>.
>>
>
> Pathetic. So now you argue that because we are dependent on import
> commodity X we should relinquish *all* *choice* over domestic product Y
> which is *completely* *unrelated* to X.
>
> Actually there is a tenuous relationship. The scammers inserting
> themselves in the marketing of Y in many cases originate from the same
> countries as X and share the same religion as the rulers/leaders of X, so
> your new thesis amounts to what your comrades call 'racist'.

you're babbling

[Abusive Liar Party]

On 5/04/2015 11:18 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Clocky <not...@happen.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/04/2015 4:52 AM, dechucka wrote:
>>>
>>> "Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:cob0n0...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/BH.Australia/photos/a.131345560347589.30174.131315043683974/485912568224218/?type=1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At the lower left is an halal symbol, just to the right of that a
>>>> symbol saying 'chuck it in the bin'.
>>>>
>>>> Non-halal cheese options are here:
>>>> http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists_nonhalal.html
>>>
>>> Isn't choice wonderful. You have choice why are you trying to deny
>>> choice to other people and to business?
>>
>>
>> It's limiting choice. I don't want to buy anything Halal certified as I
>> totally object to what it represents.
>>
>> But now my choices are limited through no fault of my own and it's
>> discriminatory. If they want Halal that is fine, but I want a choice to
>> buy non-Halal where there is a guarantee that my $ are not going to any
>> Islamic organisation as a choice - for the same products.
>
> So don't buy any petrol or any products that have been transported.
> You can be almost sure the money is going to an Islamic organisation
> if you do.

Dumb argument.

Go look up "Slippery slope" argument.

That is an "avalanche argument".

Like Chamberlain giving up Czekoslovakia because we'd already lost Poland.

"Hey, don't bother targeting accidents caused by alcohol because we're
losing the battle against drugs".

Dumb argument.

>
> The hysteria over spending one hundredth of a cent for Halal
> certification of a jar of Vegemite compared to filling your car with
> petrol sourced from the Middle East oil is ridiculous.
>

Show your costings.

Even if it is true, it doesn't take much money to pay for a plane ticket
or a rocket.

You're an idiot.

[dechucka]

"Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

news:codk9q...@mid.individual.net...

the stupidity about your 'funding terrorism' argument has been shown to be
illogical. Previously the argument has been shown to be a lie

[Petzl]

"hundredth of a cent" you making stuff up again
It has been worked out that the cost to many families for a illegal
and secretive scam "Halal Certification" the cost to families is over
$800 per year!

Reports about Halal funding terrorists from Australia are regually
reported including funding for the Bali bombing!
Just last month another finding of funding Islamic terrorists
https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/26782604/aust-funds-flow-to-indon-terror-fighters/

[dechucka]

snip

> "hundredth of a cent" you making stuff up again
> It has been worked out that the cost to many families for a illegal
> and secretive scam "Halal Certification" the cost to families is over
> $800 per year!

A cite from an authoritive source would be fascinating

>
> Reports about Halal funding terrorists from Australia are regually
> reported including funding for the Bali bombing!
> Just last month another finding of funding Islamic terrorists
> https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/26782604/aust-funds-flow-to-indon-terror-fighters/

Why aren't the authorities acting :-)

[Gordon Levi]

The assumptions are here
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/uk.politics.misc/LiCHeRtoSME/OOWk7KUGKxoJ>.
The cost per jar is <http://tinyurl.com/orawz9m>.

[Gordon Levi]

Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>On 5/04/2015 7:54 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>> Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> When you are done, could you explain where people can get Vegemite or
>>> equivalent, or Salmon and be certain that none of the money goes to the
>>> Muslim brotherhood?
>>
>> Can you explain where people can buy _any_ product and be certain that
>> none of the money goes to Muslim terrorists? Start here
>> <http://crudeoilpeak.info/australian-oil-and-fuel-dependency-on-the-middle-east-is-37>.
>>
>
>Pathetic. So now you argue that because we are dependent on import
>commodity X we should relinquish *all* *choice* over domestic product Y
>which is *completely* *unrelated* to X.

I am arguing that it is only anti-Muslims who are complaining about
Halal certification because they want to make life more difficult for
Australian Muslims. If funding terrorism was the real issue you would
campaign for origin labeled petrol and would avoid buying petrol
sourced from Middle East oil. You won't do that because it would make
your life more difficult and it would not punish Australian Muslims
for being Muslims.

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 19:32:37 +1000, Gordon Levi
<gor...@address.invalid> wrote:

>Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 5/04/2015 7:54 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>> Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When you are done, could you explain where people can get Vegemite or
>>>> equivalent, or Salmon and be certain that none of the money goes to the
>>>> Muslim brotherhood?
>>>
>>> Can you explain where people can buy _any_ product and be certain that
>>> none of the money goes to Muslim terrorists? Start here
>>> <http://crudeoilpeak.info/australian-oil-and-fuel-dependency-on-the-middle-east-is-37>.
>>>
>>
>>Pathetic. So now you argue that because we are dependent on import
>>commodity X we should relinquish *all* *choice* over domestic product Y
>>which is *completely* *unrelated* to X.
>
>I am arguing that it is only anti-Muslims who are complaining about
>Halal certification because they want to make life more difficult for
>Australian Muslims. If funding terrorism was the real issue you would
>campaign for origin labeled petrol and would avoid buying petrol
>sourced from Middle East oil. You won't do that because it would make
>your life more difficult and it would not punish Australian Muslims
>for being Muslims.

Good point there.

[Abusive Liar Party]

Those costings are garbage.

One agency demanded $7000 to certify A2.
https://www.facebook.com/halalchoices/posts/517707384958442

One Aussie meat exporter was extorted $27,000 per month.
http://billmuehlenberg.com/2014/09/02/halal-certification-follow-the-money/

THE POINT IS THAT NO-ONE KNOWS WHAT THE FEES ARE BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO
OPEN THEIR BOOKS

Last year the Malek Fahd school illegally transferred millions of
dollars to AFIC which refused to disclose what happened to the money -
even to its own directors.

Most non-meat products do not need any halal certification.

THE WHOLE THING IS A SCAM & YOU ARE A DUMB LEFTIST APOLOGIST DEFENDING
SCAMMERS.

WORSE, THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT THE MONEY FROM SOME OF THE CERTIFIERS GOES
TO FUND TERRORISM:

"In a recent interview, a Muslim cleric flatly refused to say where
these large sums of money raised from halal certification fees go to,
and it seems for good reason.
'It is an affront to ask such a question' he said, 'you don’t ask where
money raised in Catholic Churches goes to'".

COMMENT:
BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY CATHOLIC TERRORISM!

"Dr Rateb Jneid, President of the WA Islamic Council, in his 2013 annual
report, admits moneys had indeed been sent to Syria from WA, using the
sham 'charity' Al Imdaad (see following).

Further investigations have revealed that the WA Islamic Council is only
one of many Islamic organisations across Australia, including mosques,
that are funnelling money via this sham 'charity' front, to terrorist
groups in Raqqa in Syria and Mosul in Iraq.

Now, Dr Rateb Jneid (many of these Muslims leaders falsely call
themselves doctors) is the same bloke claimed was the kingpin when
Police cracked a major methylamphetamine trafficking syndicate after a
four-month probe netted more than $8 million worth of the drug, $380,000
in cash and a number of unlicensed firearms".

http://pickeringpost.com/story/shocking-evidence-shows-halal-fees-go-to-syria/4062

Unlicensed firearms?

Good grief!

>>
>> Even if it is true, it doesn't take much money to pay for a plane ticket
>> or a rocket.
>>
>> You're an idiot.

[Petzl]

Who isn't anti-moslem?
They are anyi-Australian.
Islam has always been synomynous with terrorism and it's Australians
being made to fund it!
--
Petzl

Islam is of course synonymous with terrorism
There are more Australian Muslims fighting with al Qaeda linked
groups than there are in the Australian Defence Force fighting against them!
.
Major majority of the worlds refugees are created by Islam since the
days of Mohammad. Mainly because Islam is actually a violent political
process, not a religion at all.
Islamic conquests have always been by infiltration (Trojan Horse:
Al-Hijra, The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration). This is how Islam
grows, a violent political process using , terrorist attack from
within, eventually followed by surprise attack, followed by killing
for killings sake.
Once Moslems have foothold maintaining rule is held by continued
carnage and ruthlessness.
Until it's recognized Islam is the problem nothing will change!
How Islam began and still violently grows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

[Abusive Liar Party]

On 6/04/2015 7:32 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 5/04/2015 7:54 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>> Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When you are done, could you explain where people can get Vegemite or
>>>> equivalent, or Salmon and be certain that none of the money goes to the
>>>> Muslim brotherhood?
>>>
>>> Can you explain where people can buy _any_ product and be certain that
>>> none of the money goes to Muslim terrorists? Start here
>>> <http://crudeoilpeak.info/australian-oil-and-fuel-dependency-on-the-middle-east-is-37>.
>>>
>>
>> Pathetic. So now you argue that because we are dependent on import
>> commodity X we should relinquish *all* *choice* over domestic product Y
>> which is *completely* *unrelated* to X.
>
> I am arguing that it is only anti-Muslims who are complaining about
> Halal certification because they want to make life more difficult for
> Australian Muslims. If funding terrorism was the real issue you would
> campaign for origin labeled petrol and would avoid buying petrol
> sourced from Middle East oil.

I know what you are arguing & it is a stupid argument.

I don't like being forced to purchase oil from OPEC, a monopoly. You
allegation or implication that Middle Eastern oil comes from terrorists
is racist and a slur on those countries which supply it. Where is your
evidence that Saudi Arabia and Kuwait support terrorism?

You are a racist.

> You won't do that because it would make
> your life more difficult and it would not punish Australian Muslims
> for being Muslims.

I won't boycott oil because quite frankly, I don't think about it. Your
implication that our ME trading partners are terrorists is a disgusting
racist slur.

But then I am not surprised after hearing the dog-whistle in recent days
from KRudd, Shorten and Foley. They belong to you, I assume.

>>
>> Actually there is a tenuous relationship. The scammers inserting
>> themselves in the marketing of Y in many cases originate from the same
>> countries as X and share the same religion as the rulers/leaders of X,
>> so your new thesis amounts to what your comrades call 'racist'.

[Abusive Liar Party]

You're a moron.

His point is blatantly racist. What on earth is wrong with buying
products from the Middle East?

Bloody leftist hypocrites!

[Abusive Liar Party]

Another moron!

Being anti-Halal for the reason that it is a proven scam and quite
possibly is used to fund terrorism does *not* mean anti-Muslim.

I like Muslim people and appreciate their contribution to Australia but
the religion is nutty and there is a significant proportion who are
criminals.

But then, so is the ALP!

> --
> Petzl

[Gordon Levi]

I provided the numbers for you about 3 weeks ago and you have not
refuted them
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/uk.politics.misc/LiCHeRtoSME/OOWk7KUGKxoJ>.

>It has been worked out that the cost to many families for a illegal
>and secretive scam "Halal Certification" the cost to families is over
>$800 per year!

You have never provided _any_ support for this ridiculous claim. It is
clearly ridiculous because if a supermarket could save a family $800
pa why wouldn't they dump Halal certification and wipe out the
competition?

[Gordon Levi]

I said that certifying one jar of Vegemite cost one hundredth of a
cent and gave you my assumptions. You have not refuted them. Instead
you proceed to peddle your garbage.

>
>One agency demanded $7000 to certify A2.
>https://www.facebook.com/halalchoices/posts/517707384958442

That purports to be a _quote_ from one agency and your source is an
anti-Muslim Facebook page. What were the quotes from other agencies?
What have manufacturers actually paid?

>
>One Aussie meat exporter was extorted $27,000 per month.
>http://billmuehlenberg.com/2014/09/02/halal-certification-follow-the-money/

Another anti-Muslim source that draws its information from the Halal
Choices Facebook page. The claim about the Indonesian monopoly, MUI,
demanding bribes from Halal certifiers in Australia for meat exports
to Indonesia does seem to be true. Unfortunately our corporate law
does not follow the U.S. pattern of making it illegal to conduct
business overseas that would be illegal at home. If it did, the
Indonesian extortion could be prevented.

>
>THE POINT IS THAT NO-ONE KNOWS WHAT THE FEES ARE BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO
>OPEN THEIR BOOKS

Here are a couple of estimates
http://www.halal-australia.com.au/fees-and-charges/> and
<http://muslimsaustralia.com.au/halal-accreditation-3/>.

>
>Last year the Malek Fahd school illegally transferred millions of
>dollars to AFIC which refused to disclose what happened to the money -
>even to its own directors.
>
>Most non-meat products do not need any halal certification.
>
>THE WHOLE THING IS A SCAM & YOU ARE A DUMB LEFTIST APOLOGIST DEFENDING
>SCAMMERS.

Halal certification is no more, or less, a scam than Kosher or ISO9001
certification. They are products that manufacturers buy if they
believe they will improve their sales.

>
>WORSE, THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT THE MONEY FROM SOME OF THE CERTIFIERS GOES
>TO FUND TERRORISM:

It probably does and that is a matter for the law. Trading in a legal
product should not be prevented simply because the seller might use
the proceeds to do something illegal.

[BruceS]

Never mind how many of those are "practicing", going to church, temple,
etc. I'm curious what percentage of Australians actually believe that
having this Muslim mark on a product effectively *curses* the product,
damning all who touch it to eternal Hell, or whatever. I thought the
U.S. was pretty overloaded with right-wing Christian nut-jobs, but only
our most batshit crazy ones would actually fall for the "curse" bit.
How much tainted Vegemite does it take for someone to start believing in
evil Muslim curses?

>>>>> Most recognize product as cursed and will never go back to it
>>>>> http://www.hope-of-israel.org/beastmark.html
>>>>> USa,Europe, Japan and China are growing in boycotting Halal
>>>>> Certification.
>>>>
>>>> You know, I really don't care.

IOW, you are not nearly batshit crazy enough to believe in Muslim
curses. Good. I hope that attitude represents the overwhelming majority.

>>> If you have a Australian "Halal Certificate" you have ben conned!
>>> There in reality no suh thing, except you allow a Moslem to mark it
>>> with the number of the best "Bismillah" which means (literally) "In
>>> the name of Allah". cursing all who even touch it!
>>> Revelation 13:1-18
>>
>> I haven't checked, but I don't think I have anything here with such
>> certification. I don't buy much from supermarkets though.

I haven't checked either. Now I wonder how much of what I eat has been
certified as kosher, halal, or similarly acceptable to one or another
group I don't belong to. I sure hope it isn't all magically dangerous!
I may just have to go on an all-bacon diet to be safe. Or maybe those
crafty Hindus have some sort of curse they cast on pork products.

[Abusive Liar Party]

Your assumptions are garbage.

The whole point is that halal certifiers all consistently refuse to
expose their cash flows.

My assumption is that Modelez pays a million dollars per annum for
Vegemite certification. Prove me wrong.

>>
>> One agency demanded $7000 to certify A2.
>> https://www.facebook.com/halalchoices/posts/517707384958442
>
> That purports to be a _quote_ from one agency and your source is an
> anti-Muslim Facebook page. What were the quotes from other agencies?
> What have manufacturers actually paid?
>>
>> One Aussie meat exporter was extorted $27,000 per month.
>> http://billmuehlenberg.com/2014/09/02/halal-certification-follow-the-money/
>
> Another anti-Muslim source that draws its information from the Halal
> Choices Facebook page. The claim about the Indonesian monopoly, MUI,
> demanding bribes from Halal certifiers in Australia for meat exports
> to Indonesia does seem to be true. Unfortunately our corporate law
> does not follow the U.S. pattern of making it illegal to conduct
> business overseas that would be illegal at home. If it did, the
> Indonesian extortion could be prevented.

Irrelevant blah & blah & blah.

It simply shows that the *local* certifiers claims that certification
helps exports are a lie in the case of Malaysia and Indonesia. Both of
those countries use their own certifiers.

>>
>> THE POINT IS THAT NO-ONE KNOWS WHAT THE FEES ARE BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO
>> OPEN THEIR BOOKS
>
> Here are a couple of estimates
> http://www.halal-australia.com.au/fees-and-charges/> and
> <http://muslimsaustralia.com.au/halal-accreditation-3/>.

Where are the audited statements? Who is the auditor?

The first is an *initial* fee. It is only a fee (per site) to get an
application form. The actual inspection fees are not specified.

I hope no-one leaves *you* in charge of any budgets!

The second is better. If those are the only charges, I might revise my
opinion. Where are the audited statements of cash flows?

Click on annual reports here:
http://muslimsaustralia.com.au/about-us/#

>>
>> Last year the Malek Fahd school illegally transferred millions of
>> dollars to AFIC which refused to disclose what happened to the money -
>> even to its own directors.
>>
>> Most non-meat products do not need any halal certification.
>>
>> THE WHOLE THING IS A SCAM & YOU ARE A DUMB LEFTIST APOLOGIST DEFENDING
>> SCAMMERS.
>
> Halal certification is no more, or less, a scam than Kosher or ISO9001
> certification. They are products that manufacturers buy if they
> believe they will improve their sales.

The one is completely *unrelated* to the other.

How on earth can you *equate* kosher with halal? Muslims categorically
reject kosher.

>>
>> WORSE, THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT THE MONEY FROM SOME OF THE CERTIFIERS GOES
>> TO FUND TERRORISM:
>
> It probably does and that is a matter for the law. Trading in a legal
> product should not be prevented simply because the seller might use
> the proceeds to do something illegal.

Are you serious?

We have strict laws pertaining to the transfer and use of funds for
terrorism. They are probably ineffective because the flows can be hidden
with intermediaries. People in *our* society are wanting transparency
and should get it. Whether the money goes to building Mosques or to
Hamas, we should have transparency.

>>
>> "In a recent interview, a Muslim cleric flatly refused to say where
>> these large sums of money raised from halal certification fees go to,
>> and it seems for good reason.
>> 'It is an affront to ask such a question' he said, 'you don’t ask where
>> money raised in Catholic Churches goes to'".
>>
>> COMMENT:
>> BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY CATHOLIC TERRORISM!
>>
>> "Dr Rateb Jneid, President of the WA Islamic Council, in his 2013 annual
>> report, admits moneys had indeed been sent to Syria from WA, using the
>> sham 'charity' Al Imdaad (see following).
>>
>> Further investigations have revealed that the WA Islamic Council is only
>> one of many Islamic organisations across Australia, including mosques,
>> that are funnelling money via this sham 'charity' front, to terrorist
>> groups in Raqqa in Syria and Mosul in Iraq.
>>
>> Now, Dr Rateb Jneid (many of these Muslims leaders falsely call
>> themselves doctors) is the same bloke claimed was the kingpin when
>> Police cracked a major methylamphetamine trafficking syndicate after a
>> four-month probe netted more than $8 million worth of the drug, $380,000
>> in cash and a number of unlicensed firearms".
>>
>> http://pickeringpost.com/story/shocking-evidence-shows-halal-fees-go-to-syria/4062
>>
>> Unlicensed firearms?
>>
>> Good grief!
>>

It should have *dawned* on you by now *why* people are interested in
where the money goes.

FWIW, I couldn't care less where kosher money goes - you can build as
many synagogues as you please.

And the reason is quite simple, *that* segment of the community is not
threatening society. Quite the opposite.

>>>>
>>>> Even if it is true, it doesn't take much money to pay for a plane ticket
>>>> or a rocket.
>>>>
>>>> You're an idiot.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2015 01:03:15 +1000, Gordon Levi

You choose to ignore me and the truth


You are getting one single item claiming it is 100th of a cent on that
item.
A ll Halal Certification was ever intended for was the meat export
industry. Now it has been hijacked by crooked charatans none of them
anything to do with Islam. None authorised by our government.
The fact that they can even be allowed to ebnter food premises is
shocking!

algal certification is not only on one item

This illegal scam is being applied to *everything* one puchases and
services like pre-schools, etc and the shopping outlets themselves.
Last count there are now 37 "certifiers" threatning extorting
businesses throughout Australia.
It is working and costing BIG money for Australian consumers
Just one shop has to pay these criminal leeches $5000 a year
protection money!
iT JUST DOES NOT APPLY TO ONE ITEM
A TAX on EVERTHING
Larry Pickering has a expose on Halal Certication racket which exposes
costs to one small business

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=822676087786551&id=236991276355038&substory_index=0
EXCERPT
Text 2 Speech
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/COST%20Halal2.mp3
THE COSTS TO LOCAL BUSINESS
Mr Mohamed El-Mouelhy (there he is again) of Halal Certification
Authority Pty Limited sued a small retail kebab shop, Sofra Pizza Pide
& Kebab House, and their wholesaler Quality Kebabs, in the Federal
Court of Australia. Both were displaying a halal certification logo
which they randomly printed off the internet without paying the fees.

The food outlets told us they didn’t know they had to pay any fees
because they were sourcing directly from a halal certified
slaughterhouse.

They were completely oblivious to the fact that every supplier in the
food chain had to pay the halal tax. They displayed the logo simply as
a means to confirm to their customers they were sourcing their meat
from a halal certified supplier.

Once notified that the logo was a privately owned logo, and had to be
removed, the kebab retailer did so immediately.

Mr El Mouelhy sued anyway.

The landmark case inadvertently cracked open just one small area of
the “confidential” fees, publicly exposing just how substantial and
insidious the pyramid of halal certification schemes are in the kebab
food chain alone.

The publicly available court documents show that had a small takeaway
shop paid for the halal certification it would have cost $5,000 per
year. No small change for a small business.

Multiply that by all the pubs, kebab shops, pizza shops, cafes, pie
shops, burger chains, coffee shops, sushi shops, chicken shops,
canteens, bakeries, butchers, ice cream shops, grills and restaurants
etc in the country, then start to add the 80% of foods and produce at
the supermarket and you can start to see the unknown billions
redirected from our domestic food economy, to the pockets of the halal
moneymen.

The court document goes on to say:
"Quality Kebabs has obtained the benefit of operating its business on
the basis that it has been certified by the applicant when, in fact,
it has not. There are no great difficulties in assessing the expense.
Quality Kebabs has avoided having to pay by falsely asserting it was
certified by the applicant."

Mr El-Mouelhy’s documentary evidence was that his fee (without GST) to
wholesalers was $27,090 in 2012, $33,580 in 2013 and $34,510 in 2014.

Quality kebabs had to pay what was equivalent to the 2012 fee of
$27,090.00 plus a 50% uplift of $13,545.00. Total fee payable for 2012
= $40,635.

On top of that they had to pay the 2013 halal certification fee of
$33,580.00, plus a 50% uplift of $16,790.00. Total fee payable for
2013 = $50,370. That’s a total of $91,005.00.

That doesn’t include what Quality Kebabs would have had to pay for
2014 which would have been $34,510.

What these court documents don’t address is that for Quality Kebabs to
be halal certified they need to source their meat or chicken from a
halal certified abattoir or chicken processor, in this case Steggles.

Some abattoirs pay up to $27,000 a month to be halal certified, or
$324,000 a year. Chicken processors pay around $40,000 per year.
Truckies who drive chicken supply vans from a chicken processor to the
takeaway shops are charged $500 each in halal certification fees.

So you can have an abattoir spending $324,000 in halal fees. Then the
transport company is paying hundreds of dollars to drive the product
to the supplier. In this case the supplier has to pay $34,510 in halal
fees.

Then the transporter again has to pay a few hundred dollars to a halal
certifier. Finally the little retail outlet has to pay $5,000 in halal
certification fees.

This totals in excess of $364,000 paid in halal fees before you sink
your teeth into a kebab and that's just one of many kebab businesses.

And they expect you to believe these huge costs are simply "absorbed"?

The particular halal certifier, Mr Mohamed El-Mouelhy, in this court
case said proudly on national television, “Halal certification has
made me a millionaire” and he uses the money to, “buy my wife shoes”.
Allah must be very pleased with him.

[Petzl]

On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 15:12:28 -0600, BruceS <bruc...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Larry Pickering has you don't mind the over $800 a year tax to fund
Islam and it's terror?
http://www.non-halal-global.com/files/Download/THE%20TRUTH%20ABOUT%20HALAL%20CERTIFICATION%20by%20Larry%20Pickering.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/kx2bmym

[dechucka]

snip

> Larry Pickering has you don't mind the over $800 a year tax to fund
> Islam and it's terror?

Please give us a cite for this claim with the calculations, as well the cost
per Australian for Kosher certification would be interesting

BTW why are you so quiet on Kosher certification and the kosher non stunned
killing of animals, could it because you're a bigot?

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:hvt5ial15klkjmg56...@4ax.com...

and of course to let moslems in Aus eat halal food just as Kosher
certification allows Jews in Aus to eat Kosher food

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 21:09:35 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:19:42 +1000, Jeßus <pr...@aipac.org> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:06:33 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 19:43:40 +1000, Jeßus <pr...@aipac.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>Last census had over 60% of Australains as Christian
>>
>>And how many of them are actual practicing xtians?
>>
>Not only xtians,
>Sikhs, Buddhist and Hindus are also forbidden to touch Halal offerings

Why not just ignore that? I can't see people being bombed over it,
unless the country is taken over...

>Major majority of Australian have a Christian history and are
>disgusted in paying Islam terrorist funding tax, costing families a
>extra $800 P/A on their bills!

OK, sure. I can understand that but the whole religious argument.
whether xtian, hindu or whatever is what is losing me here. I don't
like cults of any type.

>>
>>I haven't checked, but I don't think I have anything here with such
>>certification. I don't buy much from supermarkets though.

By 'here' I really meant here in my home. Thought I'd better add that.

>ALL Australian Certifiers are a scam. Certification only applies to
>the cruel Islamic slaughter of meat. To get one of those the overseas
>Moslem country sends in their own.
>
>As it stands now you can print your own as Halal Certification has no
>validity in Australia, In fact it's illegal to demand money for this
>scam

Let's hope it stays that way.

>http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/restaurants-at-mercy-of-violent-extortionists-20121206-2ay74.html
>
>
>>>There is no single halal certifying body in Australia, as there is in
>>>other countries. Here there is a growing list of 36 certifying outfits
>>>all a fraud. all with varying motives, from expanding Islam to
>>>expanding private bank accounts. They madly compete with each other in
>>>a growing turf war. The end consumer (and beleaguered taxpayer)
>>>bankrolls it all.
>>>
>>>Consumer law has unquestionably been breached (misleading and
>>>deceptive conduct) and it’s only a matter of time before authorities
>>>step in and legal action is commenced. The push is now on to regulate
>>>an unregulated national scam.

Thanks for the explanation, I'd be interested in seeing any good links
you think I should see - just as long as they have no religious
agenda.

[Jeßus]

I have no time for *any* religion, or those who define their very
lives by it.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:14:35 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I have no problem with Moslems comming to Australia as long as Islam
is left behind in he place they created and had to flee from!

I know a lot more bout Islam than you do!

Moslems already know what haram foods to avoid because it’s part of
their teachings, and the list is quite small. If there is doubt
(mashbooh) whether a food is halal, a simple prayer is said over the
food and it immediately becomes halal.

If a Moslem unknowingly or of necessity consumes a haram food, it is
quite okay and there was never a need to pay a fee for it. These
instructions are in the Qur’an and Hadith and the moneymen know it.

But the ignorant infidels don’t know it.
Charlatan conmen claiming to be Moslem have found it a money train and
scam the infidel.
--
Petzl
For around 1,400 years Islam has produced the major majority of the worlds refugees!
Time to address the fact the problem is Islam.
Like Schizophrenics, they need therapy. Not confirmation of their delusions and as refugees made leave their delusions where they created them.
Fleeing from what they created!
The ONLY Nations mistakenly welcoming Moslems have a Christian history, not a Sharia history

[Petzl]

On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:10:35 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>snip
>
>
>> Larry Pickering has, you don't mind the over $800 a year tax to fund

>> Islam and it's terror?
>
>Please give us a cite for this claim with the calculations, as well the cost
>per Australian for Kosher certification would be interesting

DID THAT FOR HALAL, YOU REMOVED THE LINK
http://www.non-halal-global.com/files/Download/THE%20TRUTH%20ABOUT%20HALAL%20CERTIFICATION%20by%20Larry%20Pickering.pdf

>BTW why are you so quiet on Kosher certification and the kosher non stunned
>killing of animals, could it because you're a bigot?

Don't support barbaric dark age cruel disgusting "religious" slaughter

It's also reluctantly coming out the "fear toxins" released by animals
tortured to death are linked to diabetes, which in Australia the
daibetes 2 epidemic coincides with introduction of Halal slaughter!

Kosher food I know little about other than it's CLEARLY LABLED
Only sold through specialty outlets.

[dechucka]

"Jeßus" <pr...@aipac.org> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 21:09:35 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:19:42 +1000, Jeßus <pr...@aipac.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:06:33 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 19:43:40 +1000, Jeßus <pr...@aipac.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Last census had over 60% of Australains as Christian
>>>
>>>And how many of them are actual practicing xtians?
>>>
>>Not only xtians,
>>Sikhs, Buddhist and Hindus are also forbidden to touch Halal offerings
>
> Why not just ignore that? I can't see people being bombed over it,
> unless the country is taken over...
>
>>Major majority of Australian have a Christian history and are
>>disgusted in paying Islam terrorist funding tax, costing families a
>>extra $800 P/A on their bills!
>
> OK, sure. I can understand that but the whole religious argument.
> whether xtian, hindu or whatever is what is losing me here. I don't
> like cults of any type.

and that is the problem it it is a religious/cult thing rather then economic
or choice matter. It is one cult complaining about another cult having
choice by destroying choice. The only thing more dangetrous then an inter
cult fight is a intra cult fight. Of course one must remember that all of
this is not about religion per se but power and politics with religion used
as an excuse for imposing their will on others

snip

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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you claim that but then you post that shit. I'm more aware of Kosher needs
ie keeping dairy and meat products apart but here is a summary of how food
must be stored and processed to remain Halal
http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/y2770e/y2770e08.htm

lying shit snipped

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:10:35 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>snip
>>
>>
>>> Larry Pickering has, you don't mind the over $800 a year tax to fund
>>> Islam and it's terror?
>>
>>Please give us a cite for this claim with the calculations, as well the
>>cost
>>per Australian for Kosher certification would be interesting
>
> DID THAT FOR HALAL, YOU REMOVED THE LINK
> http://www.non-halal-global.com/files/Download/THE%20TRUTH%20ABOUT%20HALAL%20CERTIFICATION%20by%20Larry%20Pickering.pdf

I'd like some calculation from someone who is as bigoted if not more than
you

>
>>BTW why are you so quiet on Kosher certification and the kosher non
>>stunned
>>killing of animals, could it because you're a bigot?
>
> Don't support barbaric dark age cruel disgusting "religious" slaughter
>
> It's also reluctantly coming out the "fear toxins" released by animals
> tortured to death are linked to diabetes, which in Australia the
> daibetes 2 epidemic coincides with introduction of Halal slaughter!

This is fantastic!! You would have been a hit in 1930s Germany where your
bigotry would have been directed against the Jews ( it is your pschopathis
nature), THEY OOO AH cause diseases what about bayoneting christian children

>
> Kosher food I know little about other than it's CLEARLY LABLED
> Only sold through specialty outlets.

I didn't realize that Harris Farm Markets was a specialty Kosher shop, must
be as I bought some Kosher salmon there yesterday. Surprised that all the
cucumbers didn't have their ends chopped off :-)

[Petzl]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2015 08:41:23 +1000, Jeßus <pr...@aipac.org> wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 21:09:35 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:19:42 +1000, Jeßus <pr...@aipac.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:06:33 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 19:43:40 +1000, Jeßus <pr...@aipac.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Last census had over 60% of Australains as Christian
>>>
>>>And how many of them are actual practicing xtians?
>>>
>>Not only xtians,
>>Sikhs, Buddhist and Hindus are also forbidden to touch Halal offerings
>
>Why not just ignore that? I can't see people being bombed over it,
>unless the country is taken over...
>
>>Major majority of Australian have a Christian history and are
>>disgusted in paying Islam terrorist funding tax, costing families a
>>extra $800 P/A on their bills!
>
>OK, sure. I can understand that but the whole religious argument.
>whether xtian, hindu or whatever is what is losing me here. I don't
>like cults of any type.
>
>

Why are over 60% of our Christian Population not allowed
consideration?

et Moslems claimed to be 2% of our population are the only ones
considered here?

As for so called exports they total under 5% of our entire exports and
have diminished since "Halal Certification"
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/EXORTS.jpg

>>>
>>>I haven't checked, but I don't think I have anything here with such
>>>certification. I don't buy much from supermarkets though.
>
>By 'here' I really meant here in my home. Thought I'd better add that.
>
>>ALL Australian Certifiers are a scam. Certification only applies to
>>the cruel Islamic slaughter of meat. To get one of those the overseas
>>Moslem country sends in their own.
>>
>>As it stands now you can print your own as Halal Certification has no
>>validity in Australia, In fact it's illegal to demand money for this
>>scam
>
>Let's hope it stays that way.

Not being enforced
At present there are 37 Halal Certifiers bamboozling threatening and
extorting money from stupid shiny arses it's unbelievable or are
Moslem lobbyists paying off our politicle parties?
It's know Arab money is awash with USA parties!

>>http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/restaurants-at-mercy-of-violent-extortionists-20121206-2ay74.html
>>
>>
>>>>There is no single halal certifying body in Australia, as there is in
>>>>other countries. Here there is a growing list of 36 certifying outfits
>>>>all a fraud. all with varying motives, from expanding Islam to
>>>>expanding private bank accounts. They madly compete with each other in
>>>>a growing turf war. The end consumer (and beleaguered taxpayer)
>>>>bankrolls it all.
>>>>
>>>>Consumer law has unquestionably been breached (misleading and
>>>>deceptive conduct) and it’s only a matter of time before authorities
>>>>step in and legal action is commenced. The push is now on to regulate
>>>>an unregulated national scam.
>
>Thanks for the explanation, I'd be interested in seeing any good links
>you think I should see - just as long as they have no religious
>agenda.

Best most recent is Larry Pickering's recent investigative article
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/LARRY%20PICKERING.txt
Pays to use text to speech it's a bit "longish", 13 chapters
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/LaryPickering2.mp3
or
pdf file
http://bit.ly/1Ct11jz

[Petzl]

Christianity allows you to be you Islam doesn't
Because of that Islam is forcing itself in and you out!
Would you send your kids to a school like this (in Sydney it's a norm)
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/schools-in-west-facing-white-flight/story-e6freuy9-1226060237551
Or would you send your kids to a Christian School $$

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 07 Apr 2015 08:41:23 +1000, Jeßus <pr...@aipac.org> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 21:09:35 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:19:42 +1000, Jeßus <pr...@aipac.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:06:33 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 19:43:40 +1000, Jeßus <pr...@aipac.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Last census had over 60% of Australains as Christian
>>>>
>>>>And how many of them are actual practicing xtians?
>>>>
>>>Not only xtians,
>>>Sikhs, Buddhist and Hindus are also forbidden to touch Halal offerings
>>
>>Why not just ignore that? I can't see people being bombed over it,
>>unless the country is taken over...
>>
>>>Major majority of Australian have a Christian history and are
>>>disgusted in paying Islam terrorist funding tax, costing families a
>>>extra $800 P/A on their bills!
>>
>>OK, sure. I can understand that but the whole religious argument.
>>whether xtian, hindu or whatever is what is losing me here. I don't
>>like cults of any type.
>>
>>
> Why are over 60% of our Christian Population not allowed
> consideration?

They are considered they have choice and as most don't gaf as they aren't
religious nutters like you who cares

>
> et Moslems claimed to be 2% of our population are the only ones
> considered here?
>
> As for so called exports they total under 5% of our entire exports and
> have diminished since "Halal Certification"
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/EXORTS.jpg

cool but so what?

>>>>
>>>>I haven't checked, but I don't think I have anything here with such
>>>>certification. I don't buy much from supermarkets though.
>>
>>By 'here' I really meant here in my home. Thought I'd better add that.
>>
>>>ALL Australian Certifiers are a scam. Certification only applies to
>>>the cruel Islamic slaughter of meat. To get one of those the overseas
>>>Moslem country sends in their own.
>>>
>>>As it stands now you can print your own as Halal Certification has no
>>>validity in Australia, In fact it's illegal to demand money for this
>>>scam
>>
>>Let's hope it stays that way.
>
> Not being enforced
> At present there are 37 Halal Certifiers bamboozling threatening and
> extorting money from stupid shiny arses it's unbelievable or are
> Moslem lobbyists paying off our politicle parties?
> It's know Arab money is awash with USA parties!

get a tin hat you're paranoid, being a religious zealot and a psychopath
does it to YOU

[dechucka]

snip

> Christianity allows you to be you

as long as you follow the rules

snip

[Gordon Levi]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Kosher food I know little about other than it's CLEARLY LABLED

Do you consider the "K" before the use by date on the bottom of a jar
of Vegemite "clearly labeled"? The meat, which is the prime objection,
is not labeled at all.

>Only sold through specialty outlets.

You can buy Vegemite, Tassal salmon and dozens of other Kosher
products at any supermarket.

You are the champion sectarian bigot on Usenet and this tolerance of
Judaism will ruin your reputation. Has the pastor at your "Christian"
sect failed to instruct you?

[Petzl]

Not that worried about Kosher foods (not cursed) but do not support
their needless cruel slaughter of animals!

I and Australia's constitution do not recognize Judaism as a
Australian religion!

It's not now taught in school, but Australia's Constitutional Monarchy
places us under a legally defined God - the Christian God, whose
compound redemptive Name is Lord Jesus Christ. Following the opening
words of the Preamble to our Constitution, "Whereas the people of...",
comes the clause: "...humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty
God..."

[dechucka]

snip

> It's not now taught in school, but Australia's Constitutional Monarchy
> places us under a legally defined God - the Christian God, whose
> compound redemptive Name is Lord Jesus Christ. Following the opening
> words of the Preamble to our Constitution, "Whereas the people of...",
> comes the clause: "...humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty

your major problem is not that it isn't taught in schools but rather it
isn't taught in constitutional law courses mainly because it isn't true.
Sect 116 is taught however

[Gordon Levi]

I do choose to ignore you but that is because you are _not_ posting
the truth. There is nothing in the rest of your post that justifies
your claim that the cost to Australian families is $800 pa. Most
people are taught to check their work by testing to see if their
answers are reasonable. I have already pointed out that if a
supermarket could save Australian families $800 pa they could capture
the market simply by selling food that is not Halal certified. Here's
another test to see if your claim is reasonable. There are 6.3 million
families in Australia <http://tinyurl.com/l2v8mpy> so if they spent an
average $800 each year Halal certifiers would have annual revenues of
over 5 BILLION dollars.

You have _no_ argument to justify your ridiculous claim about the cost
to Australian families. You have not even managed to find someone who
shares your delusion.

[Gordon Levi]

Then how can you possibly be cursed simply because you eat some Halal
certified food?

[Abusive Liar Party]

I am not endorsing Petzl's claim, but *you* have just supplied a perfect
motive for the Halal certifiers' *continued* refusal to disclose their
cash flows.

There is at least one instance where one of the dumbclucks let slip that
money was going to Syria.

*You* cannot refute the extreme likelihood that money is sent to the
Muslim Brotherhood and thence to Hamas and other terror organisations.

Refusal to see the problem puts you in the category of a Leninist
'useful idiot'.

>
> You have _no_ argument to justify your ridiculous claim about the cost
> to Australian families. You have not even managed to find someone who
> shares your delusion.
>>

[Petzl]

On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 00:45:42 +1000, Gordon Levi
<gor...@address.invalid> wrote:

>
>I do choose to ignore you but that is because you are _not_ posting
>the truth. There is nothing in the rest of your post that justifies
>your claim that the cost to Australian families is $800 pa. Most
>people are taught to check their work by testing to see if their
>answers are reasonable. I have already pointed out that if a
>supermarket could save Australian families $800 pa they could capture
>the market simply by selling food that is not Halal certified. Here's
>another test to see if your claim is reasonable. There are 6.3 million
>families in Australia <http://tinyurl.com/l2v8mpy> so if they spent an
>average $800 each year Halal certifiers would have annual revenues of
>over 5 BILLION dollars.
>
>You have _no_ argument to justify your ridiculous claim about the cost
>to Australian families. You have not even managed to find someone who
>shares your delusion.

YOU are the one guessing
Do the maths yourself 6.8 million families in Australia and Halal
Certification is raking in estimated $7 billion!
Worldwide tis Halal scam is raking in trillions!

All to fund the coming of the beast (Allah) as described by Jesus in
"Rev 13:18".
The mark "666" writen in Arabic is the "Mark of the beast" Jesus
described to John
Moslem pray to the beast!
https://issacharblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/a-new-revelation-of-the-mark/
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/beastmark.html

[Petzl]

On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 06:30:21 +1000, Abusive Liar Party
<bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>>
>> I do choose to ignore you but that is because you are _not_ posting
>> the truth. There is nothing in the rest of your post that justifies
>> your claim that the cost to Australian families is $800 pa. Most
>> people are taught to check their work by testing to see if their
>> answers are reasonable. I have already pointed out that if a
>> supermarket could save Australian families $800 pa they could capture
>> the market simply by selling food that is not Halal certified. Here's
>> another test to see if your claim is reasonable. There are 6.3 million
>> families in Australia <http://tinyurl.com/l2v8mpy> so if they spent an
>> average $800 each year Halal certifiers would have annual revenues of
>> over 5 BILLION dollars.
>
>I am not endorsing Petzl's claim, but *you* have just supplied a perfect
>motive for the Halal certifiers' *continued* refusal to disclose their
>cash flows.
>
>There is at least one instance where one of the dumbclucks let slip that
>money was going to Syria.
>
>*You* cannot refute the extreme likelihood that money is sent to the
>Muslim Brotherhood and thence to Hamas and other terror organisations.
>
>Refusal to see the problem puts you in the category of a Leninist
>'useful idiot'.

To do the maths one has to count known charges Halal Certification
divided by the number of companies paying it.
I made it to exceed $7 billion per annum. Worldwide the fees collect
trillions. The scam is both illegal and offensive!
"Gordon Levi" cannot refute or provide figures to charge my
conservative estimate of $800 per family!

Just a small Moslem Sofra Pizza Pide & Kebab House is charged $5000 a
year or his business is burnt down.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/Threat%20halal.jpg
http://bit.ly/1MwEmL6

Then there are abattoirs fees $40000 a month Halal this goes on and
on.
Growing and growing adding charges for a cursed "religion" that
provides NOTHING for the Australian economy or it's benefit!
My estimate is if anything a under cost to Australian families
--
Petzl

Islam is of course synonymous with terrorism
There are more Australian Muslims fighting with al Qaeda linked
groups than there are in the Australian Defence Force fighting against them!
.
Major majority of the worlds refugees are created by Islam since the
days of Mohammad. Mainly because Islam is actually a violent political
process, not a religion at all.
Islamic conquests have always been by infiltration (Trojan Horse:
Al-Hijra, The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration). This is how Islam
grows, a violent political process using , terrorist attack from
within, eventually followed by surprise attack, followed by killing
for killings sake.
Once Moslems have foothold maintaining rule is held by continued
carnage and ruthlessness.
Until it's recognized Islam is the problem nothing will change!
How Islam began and still violently grows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

[Petzl]

On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 00:53:38 +1000, Gordon Levi

I think you already know!

It's cursed because it's offered to a idol/false god Allah is a pagan
idol it's "right hand" is the "black stone" idol in the Kabaah in
Mecca!
Which Moslems must kiss once in their lifetime.

the Arabic prayer for Halal is “In the name of Allah.” In Arabic it is
pronounced “Bismillah.”

Allah is the name of the Beast as described by Jesus to John
(Revelation 13:18)
https://issacharblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/a-new-revelation-of-the-mark/
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/beastmark.html

You should then try asking GOD over 60% of Australians are Christian.

Third and Fourth commandments for starters applies to both Christians
and Jews
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20

3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything
in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You
shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God,
am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to
the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing
love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my
commandments.

>> Islam doesn't
>>Because of that Islam is forcing itself in and you out!
>>Would you send your kids to a school like this (in Sydney it's a norm)
>>http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/schools-in-west-facing-white-flight/story-e6freuy9-1226060237551
>>Or would you send your kids to a Christian School $$

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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because it is against your interpretation of Christian Law that you must
obey meaning Christianity does not allows you to be you

[Petzl]

On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 08:24:45 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Halal Certification also funds terrosm

Over 60% of Australia believe the following

It's cursed because it's offered to a idol/false god Allah is a pagan
idol it's "right hand" is the "black stone" idol in the Kabaah in
Mecca!
Which Moslems must kiss once in their lifetime.

the Arabic prayer for Halal is “In the name of Allah.” In Arabic it is
pronounced “Bismillah.”

Allah is the name of the Beast as described by Jesus to John
(Revelation 13:18)
https://issacharblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/a-new-revelation-of-the-mark/
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/beastmark.html

You should then try asking GOD over 60% of Australians are Christian.

Third and Fourth commandments for starters applies to both Christians
and Jews
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20

3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything
in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You
shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God,
am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to
the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing
love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my
commandments.

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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really. Come on you're are not pushing your religious beliefs on those who
claim to be Christian in the census are you, your not forcing them to not be
themselves by obeying some arbitrary rules are you.

BTW my family list themselves as Christian and we don't give a fuck about
eating halal, kosher or whatever food

[Petzl]

On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 10:42:43 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>

To *unknowingly* eat food offered to idls/false gods it's not a sin.

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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no comment? Why not? Maybe because it shows that as religious extremist and
zealot you want people to have to stick to the rules you believe in

[Gordon Levi]

I was not clear. I do not dispute that your "Christian" cult asserts
that you are cursed if you knowingly eat Halal certified food. I
disputed that your cult "allows you to be to you" as you stated. Your
cult imposes dietary restrictions and so does Islam. It is crazy for a
religion to impose archaic dietary laws and insist the food you eat is
Halal but it is even crazier for a religion to forbid eating Halal
certified food.

[Petzl]

On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:57:23 +1000, Gordon Levi

<gor...@address.invalid> wrote:

>Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

>>>Then how can you possibly be cursed simply because you eat some Halal
>>>certified food?
>>
>>I think you already know!
>>
>>It's cursed because it's offered to a idol/false god Allah is a pagan
>>idol it's "right hand" is the "black stone" idol in the Kabaah in
>>Mecca!
>
>I was not clear. I do not dispute that your "Christian" cult asserts
>that you are cursed if you knowingly eat Halal certified food. I
>disputed that your cult "allows you to be to you" as you stated. Your
>cult imposes dietary restrictions and so does Islam. It is crazy for a
>religion to impose archaic dietary laws and insist the food you eat is
>Halal but it is even crazier for a religion to forbid eating Halal
>certified food.

There is no such thing as "Halal Certified" food and has nothing to do
with Islam!

At best Halal Certification is a parasitic scam not at all interested
in Halal, stamping Haram (not permissible) products, Halal if enough
money is paid! Look at Vegemite, made from "Haram" brewers yeast?

Q: How did Moslems make food "Halal" before certification?
A: A Muslim can easily make any food halal (permissible) by praying
over it (simply by pronouncing 'bismillah' over their meal), just as
observant Christians say grace.

Moslems say they already know what Haram foods to avoid because it’s

part of their teachings, and the list is quite small. If there is
doubt (mashbooh) whether a food is halal, a simple prayer is said over
the food and it immediately becomes halal

The laws and norm of Australia need to be held with Animal rights,
Polygamy, Burqa wearing, Marriage is not meant to support pedophilia,
genitil mutalation, etc!

Moslems have been fleeing Islam and what they created for over 1,400
years. Still today the major majority of the worlds refugees are
Moslem!

Moslems must understand that in Australia, with its Christian roots,
Christmas trees, churches and religious festivals, religion must
remain in the private domain, as such Australia has a right to refuse
any concessions to Islam and Sharia.

For Moslems that disagree with Australia and do not feel comfortable
in our Nation, there are 57 beautiful Moslem countries in the world,
most of them under-populated and ready to receive them with open halal
arms in accordance with Shariah.

If you left your country for Australia and not for other Moslem
countries it is because you have considered that life is better in
Australia than elsewhere.

Moslems need to ask themselves the question, just once: why is it
better here in Australia than where you come from?

The answer is Australia was raised with a Christian history.
Not a Sharia one. Pays to keep it that way
[snip]
--
Petzl
If you look at Australia it is largely a Christian country with Christian
norms. The things we do, the way our political parties behave, have, if not
an activist Christianity about it, Christian ideals.
Paul Keating

[Abusive Liar Party]

On 13/04/2015 4:57 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 00:53:38 +1000, Gordon Levi
>> <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:

...

>> It's cursed because it's offered to a idol/false god Allah is a pagan
>> idol it's "right hand" is the "black stone" idol in the Kabaah in
>> Mecca!
>
> I was not clear. I do not dispute that your "Christian" cult asserts
> that you are cursed if you knowingly eat Halal certified food. I
> disputed that your cult "allows you to be to you" as you stated. Your
> cult imposes dietary restrictions and so does Islam. It is crazy for a
> religion to impose archaic dietary laws and insist the food you eat is
> Halal but it is even crazier for a religion to forbid eating Halal
> certified food.

Are you serious?

You are defending another religion which forbids non-Halal food!

If you bend over any further backward, you'll fall off your camel!

>
>> Which Moslems must kiss once in their lifetime.
>>
>> the Arabic prayer for Halal is “In the name of Allah.” In Arabic it is
>> pronounced “Bismillah.”
>>
>> Allah is the name of the Beast as described by Jesus to John
>> (Revelation 13:18)
>> https://issacharblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/a-new-revelation-of-the-mark/
>> http://www.hope-of-israel.org/beastmark.html
>>
>> You should then try asking GOD over 60% of Australians are Christian.
>>
>> Third and Fourth commandments for starters applies to both Christians
>> and Jews
>> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20
>>
>> 3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.
>>
>> 4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything
>> in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You
>> shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God,
>> am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to
>> the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing
>> love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my
>> commandments.
>>
>>>> Islam doesn't
>>>> Because of that Islam is forcing itself in and you out!
>>>> Would you send your kids to a school like this (in Sydney it's a norm)
>>>> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/schools-in-west-facing-white-flight/story-e6freuy9-1226060237551
>>>> Or would you send your kids to a Christian School $$

[Gordon Levi]

Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:57:23 +1000, Gordon Levi
><gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>[snip]
>>>>Then how can you possibly be cursed simply because you eat some Halal
>>>>certified food?
>>>
>>>I think you already know!
>>>
>>>It's cursed because it's offered to a idol/false god Allah is a pagan
>>>idol it's "right hand" is the "black stone" idol in the Kabaah in
>>>Mecca!
>>
>>I was not clear. I do not dispute that your "Christian" cult asserts
>>that you are cursed if you knowingly eat Halal certified food. I
>>disputed that your cult "allows you to be to you" as you stated. Your
>>cult imposes dietary restrictions and so does Islam. It is crazy for a
>>religion to impose archaic dietary laws and insist the food you eat is
>>Halal but it is even crazier for a religion to forbid eating Halal
>>certified food.
>
>There is no such thing as "Halal Certified" food and has nothing to do
>with Islam!
>
>At best Halal Certification is a parasitic scam not at all interested
>in Halal, stamping Haram (not permissible) products, Halal if enough
>money is paid! Look at Vegemite, made from "Haram" brewers yeast?

So why are _you_ crazy enough to have faith in it? A Muslim spends a
couple of hours a year in the Vegemite factory and you believe your
God will curse you if you eat Vegemite. You claimed that your religion
"allows you to be you" but if a Muslim spends a couple of hours a year
in a Vegemite factory you can't eat Vegemite because your God will
curse you if you do.

[snip]

[Gordon Levi]

Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>On 13/04/2015 4:57 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 00:53:38 +1000, Gordon Levi
>>> <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>...
>>> It's cursed because it's offered to a idol/false god Allah is a pagan
>>> idol it's "right hand" is the "black stone" idol in the Kabaah in
>>> Mecca!
>>
>> I was not clear. I do not dispute that your "Christian" cult asserts
>> that you are cursed if you knowingly eat Halal certified food. I
>> disputed that your cult "allows you to be to you" as you stated. Your
>> cult imposes dietary restrictions and so does Islam. It is crazy for a
>> religion to impose archaic dietary laws and insist the food you eat is
>> Halal but it is even crazier for a religion to forbid eating Halal
>> certified food.
>
>Are you serious?
>
>You are defending another religion which forbids non-Halal food!

Eh? I just said "It is crazy for a religion to impose archaic dietary
laws and insist the food you eat is Halal". Is that defending?

>
>If you bend over any further backward, you'll fall off your camel!

[snip]

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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[dechucka]

snip

> There is no such thing as "Halal Certified" food and has nothing to do
> with Islam!

So you are in the clear and can start eating Vegemite again

[Abusive Liar Party]

You say "It is crazy for a religion to impose archaic dietary laws" yet
you have spent a good part of your life defending Halal?

>>
>> If you bend over any further backward, you'll fall off your camel!
>
> [snip]
>

[dechucka]

"Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 14/04/2015 12:04 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>> Abusive Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/04/2015 4:57 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 00:53:38 +1000, Gordon Levi
>>>>> <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>> It's cursed because it's offered to a idol/false god Allah is a pagan
>>>>> idol it's "right hand" is the "black stone" idol in the Kabaah in
>>>>> Mecca!
>>>>
>>>> I was not clear. I do not dispute that your "Christian" cult asserts
>>>> that you are cursed if you knowingly eat Halal certified food. I
>>>> disputed that your cult "allows you to be to you" as you stated. Your
>>>> cult imposes dietary restrictions and so does Islam. It is crazy for a
>>>> religion to impose archaic dietary laws and insist the food you eat is
>>>> Halal but it is even crazier for a religion to forbid eating Halal
>>>> certified food.
>>>
>>> Are you serious?
>>>
>>> You are defending another religion which forbids non-Halal food!
>>
>> Eh? I just said "It is crazy for a religion to impose archaic dietary
>> laws and insist the food you eat is Halal". Is that defending?
>
> You say "It is crazy for a religion to impose archaic dietary laws" yet
> you have spent a good part of your life defending Halal?

He comes from a position of logic not bigotry like you

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 08:00:58 +1000, Abusive Liar Party

You're getting unreasonably angry again.

Here - let the dulcet tones of your dream guy soothe the angst over
your unrequited homosexuality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX7QMz76JPA

[Abusive Liar Party]

He may not be cursed, but what about the kids in Sderot?

[Abusive Liar Party]

Projecting again?

[dechucka]

"Abusive Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
news:cp399c...@mid.individual.net...

Is vegemite Kosher?

[Petzl]

On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 23:53:26 +1000, Gordon Levi

Vegemite and ALL Halal certified product bear the mark of Satan!
It's highly insulting that this terrorist funding scam takes
precedence over the views of Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhist and
Hindus are also forbidden to touch Halal offerings
https://youtu.be/JlWINr5U2zI

And for what? A disappearing heavily subsidized export trade with
Moslem countries. At present accounts for less than 5% of total
exports!
http://www.qgso.qld.gov.au/products/tables/goods-exported-aus-top30-destination/index.php
If instead of subsidizing this broken trade the tax payer could easily
double exporters pay and even that would only be a tenth of the bill!
--
Petzl
What perfect set of circumstances placed our Sun a Celestial ball of fire at just the correct distance from our little blue planet for life to evolve?
All simply conicidence?
The very fact we exist is nothing but the result of a complex yet inevitable string of chemical accidents and biological mutations?
There is no Grand meaning; There is no purpose

[Petzl]

On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:43:35 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>>> [snip]
>>>
>>
>> He may not be cursed, but what about the kids in Sderot?
>
>Is vegemite Kosher?

ALL the Moslems I know say it's forbidden it has been in contact with
alcohol!

[Petzl]

On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 07:18:56 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Not after offering to the beast
https://issacharblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/a-new-revelation-of-the-mark/

[Abusive Liar Party]

On 14/04/2015 3:01 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:43:35 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>
>>> He may not be cursed, but what about the kids in Sderot?
>>
>> Is vegemite Kosher?
>
> ALL the Moslems I know say it's forbidden it has been in contact with
> alcohol!
>

That's correct, but I'm just wondering how many Muslims you know.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:37:27 +1000, Abusive Liar Party
<bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>On 14/04/2015 3:01 PM, Petzl wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:43:35 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He may not be cursed, but what about the kids in Sderot?
>>>
>>> Is vegemite Kosher?
>>
>> ALL the Moslems I know say it's forbidden it has been in contact with
>> alcohol!
>>
>
>That's correct, but I'm just wondering how many Muslims you know.

About ten at work, a couple at local shopping centre used to be one
down the road moved a month ago!
All don't believe Halal Certification, saying it's a scam!
They know what is not Halal it's in their teachings.
Petzl
--
Australia's parliament needs to obey our Constitutions, the judiciary must apply the law!
Sir John Downer Kings Council, stated, when the Australian Constitution was finally adopted and on behalf of future generations,
‘Our Australian Commonwealth from its first stage will be a Christian Commonwealth’.

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:37:27 +1000, Abusive Liar Party
> <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 14/04/2015 3:01 PM, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:43:35 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He may not be cursed, but what about the kids in Sderot?
>>>>
>>>> Is vegemite Kosher?
>>>
>>> ALL the Moslems I know say it's forbidden it has been in contact with
>>> alcohol!
>>>
>>
>>That's correct, but I'm just wondering how many Muslims you know.
>
> About ten at work, a couple at local shopping centre used to be one

so they were 1/2 Moslem each, interesting

[Petzl]

On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:05:04 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

None ate vegemite!
At work when we had meetings the cafeteria would provide a sandwich
plate the favorite was the cheese vegemite tomatoes sandwich's
Moslems mentioned that it contaminated other food on the plate (none
had pork). The free lunch brigade including the 10 Moslems always
turned up.
Same for the yearly Christmas dinners at campbelltown a lot of Moslems
turn up around 70 for that, never seen them touch the vegemite
sandwiches

--
Petzl
The Christian belief and fact is Moslems are deceived.
Like Schizophrenics, they need therapy;
Not confirmation of their delusions.
The recognized place of worship in a Christian Nation is a Christian Church.
Mosques are the recognized place of worship only in Moslem countries

Australia's only legally defined God is our Christian God whose compound redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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LOL

[Abusive Liar Party]

On 14/04/2015 5:57 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:37:27 +1000, Abusive Liar Party
> <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 14/04/2015 3:01 PM, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:43:35 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He may not be cursed, but what about the kids in Sderot?
>>>>
>>>> Is vegemite Kosher?
>>>
>>> ALL the Moslems I know say it's forbidden it has been in contact with
>>> alcohol!
>>>
>>
>> That's correct, but I'm just wondering how many Muslims you know.
>
> About ten at work, a couple at local shopping centre used to be one
> down the road moved a month ago!
> All don't believe Halal Certification, saying it's a scam!
> They know what is not Halal it's in their teachings.
> Petzl
>

Well we know that Vegemite cannot be halal, so no true Muslim will eat
it. We also know that Halal money goes to the Muslim Brotherhood, which
is the parent/umbrella organisation of Hamas, so if Halal money finds
its way to Hamas, then kids of Gordon's tribe are experience rockets
funded by the "hundredth of a cent" that Gordon was talking about.

Personally I'd feel ill eating the stuff.

[dechucka]

snip

>
> Well we know that Vegemite cannot be halal,

Pity Islamic scholars disagree with you but ignorance and bigotry have
always been your forte

[Petzl]

On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:54:02 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

No Islamic scholars produce Halal Certificates not any of the 48
certifiers, none are authozided by "our" government.
It's all a pretend scam you bought that Halal certified pork Crackling
yet.

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:54:02 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>snip
>>>
>>> Well we know that Vegemite cannot be halal,
>>
>>Pity Islamic scholars disagree with you but ignorance and bigotry have
>>always been your forte
>
> No Islamic scholars produce Halal Certificates not any of the 48
> certifiers, none are authozided by "our" government.

Why should our goverrement authorise a religious matter except when it
effects our exports

> It's all a pretend scam you bought that Halal certified pork Crackling
> yet.

really love to see a cite, hopefully it isn't for salt :-)

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:38:20 +1000, Abusive Liar Party

No, I used a standard LCD screen this time.

[Abusive Liar Party]

2a. Freudian Projection
"The externalisation of internal unconscious wishes, desires or emotions
on to other people. So, for example, someone who feels subconsciously
that they have a powerful latent homosexual drive may not acknowledge
this consciously, but it may show in their readiness to suspect others
of being homosexual".

[Petzl]

On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 06:46:59 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:i20qialqbjfdsk5dl...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:54:02 +1000, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>snip
>>>>
>>>> Well we know that Vegemite cannot be halal,
>>>
>>>Pity Islamic scholars disagree with you but ignorance and bigotry have
>>>always been your forte
>>
>> No Islamic scholars produce Halal Certificates not any of the 48
>> certifiers, none are authozided by "our" government.
>
>Why should our goverrement authorise a religious matter except when it
>effects our exports

That's the problem all 48 Halal Certifiers are criminal scams nothing
to do with Islam or religion, other than funding terrorism

>
>> It's all a pretend scam you bought that Halal certified pork Crackling
>> yet.
>
>really love to see a cite, hopefully it isn't for salt :-)

YES it is, "Propheteering" from pork crackling!
--
Petzl
Islamists behave the same way wherever they are allowed to infest.
They share tips and tricks on how to cheat the infidel. One of these
tips is that infidels never want to believe the extent and cynicism of
the islamist hatred toward them and to the west and its people. If the
infidel is given a choice between fighting for the truth with an
islamist, or paying him compensation as "piss off" money, they will
always take the latter. Another is that their religion sanctions any
illegal activity.