Australian PM Tony Abbott launches nationwide crackdown on radical mosques and Muslims

Dr. Jai Maharaj

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Australian PM Tony Abbott launches nationwide crackdown
on radical mosques and Muslims

March 2, 2015

http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2015/03/australian-pm-tony-abbott-launches.html

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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Petzl

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 00:29:31 GMT, alt.fan.j...@googlegroups.com
(Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:

>Australian PM Tony Abbott launches nationwide crackdown
>on radical mosques and Muslims
>
>March 2, 2015
>
>http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2015/03/australian-pm-tony-abbott-launches.html
>

But Abbott's don't mind the funding of terrorism through Halal
Certification?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/ABBOTTREPLY.jpg

Larry Pickerings site seems to been made off line
Have made text to speech recording
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/HALAL_FUNDS_TERROR.mp3

Text below
PEOPLE POWER – reclaiming your Australia

Digging deep into the halal certification scam has not presented a
pretty sight, but every dark cloud has a silver lining. I have been
informed that a number of Coalition MPs are now ready to move on halal
certification.

That’s not including Senator Jacqui Lambie who will be introducing a
Private Members Bill that will demand transparency of the halal money
flow.

I had intended to keep this series to a tidy 12 parts, but as this
investigation was unrolling, I was sent alarming insider information
about halal certification money and its links to terrorism, which
needed to be checked out.

It seems Mr. Mohamed El Mouelhy has a number of adversaries all too
ready to tip a bucket on him.

Documented here in this series is irrefutable evidence that halal
certification is a giant scam affecting both Muslims and non-Muslims -
and depleting our grocery budgets by billions which, at least in part,
are being ingeniously redirected to terrorist groups.

Andrew Lamming was one of the disgruntled Coalition backbenchers who
tried to force a spill recently.

Lamming publicly announced late yesterday, March 4, 2015:
“Halal update: After weeks of Canberra and Industry meetings, I have
secured today Ministerial support for a Halal policy to protect
Domestic Aussie food manufacturers. This next month will be spent
consulting with selected NSW and Qld firms.”

Lamming stated previously, “Insiders tell me Halal is costing 3-4
times more than Kosher. This week I notified the ACCC.
?#?cashforclerics? This should be ‘not-for-profit’ and ‘user-pays’.
Stay tuned.”

Cabinet is being forced to move on halal certification. It’s in their
best interest to do so. Halal certification will be another test of
the PM’s resolve to "keep Australians safe" and to protect and
preserve the rights of consumers.

Australia’s halal certification system is a dysfunctional, unregulated
and dangerous extortion racket where our food money becomes blood
money.

Companies are charged on a "capacity to pay" just as the the New York
mobs did. There are no set fees. “How much can I squeeze out of you”,
is the only guideline.

Food wholesalers tell me they shop around for halal certification but
it’s a slippery exercise trying to nail down a price. Certifiers
charge whatever they can get away with.

I am told certifiers will not give a quote over the phone. Some want
to visit the premises to try to assess what the business's capacity to
pay is.before they’re given a certification price.

One food executive told me he would not agree to a meeting with
certifiers until he received a written quote... a reasonable business
practice.

Quoted fees to one wholesaler varied from “a couple of thousand
dollars” to “$35,000”, for a halal logo for one year.

There has to be a better way - and there is.

In 2014 Indonesian Health Minister Nafsiah Mboi said, “In other
countries, it is common for certification to come from the government,
those are the ones that are recognised and accepted.

"After 2018, the MUI (Indonesian Islamic clerics) will continue to
play a role on the religious side but the certificates will now be
issued by the government with a small application fee payable to the
government."

The MUI charges Rp5 million (approx $US400) per certification for two
years. Last year the MUI issued almost 50,000 halal certificates
totalling nearly $US20 million.

Halal approval was never intended to be a wealth creator for
certifiers, rather a method to ensure compliance with interpretations
of Islamic law for the confidence of Muslim consumers.

Lawmaker Hasrul Azwar of the Indonesian PPP (Islamic) party argued
that if the government oversaw the halal certification process it
would control the amount the MUI could charge applicants while the
proceeds would be kept as additional income for the State.

In Australia it’s a multiple-dip pyramid scheme, where more than
$360,000 in halal fees has applied from one abattoir to one little
kebab shop.

The money goes to private operators and Islamic bodies when it should
be going to the government to benefit all Australians. After all, it’s
our hard-earned money. The Australian Government has lost all control.

Most politicians are afraid to grasp the thorny nettle for fear of
being labelled "racists", "bigots" and "Islamophobes" by an uninformed
media. But it’s gone long past that. Who cares what uninformed fools
say?

Several politicians I have spoken to say their offices are fielding
hundreds of halal certification complaints daily from constituents.

One says, “This appears to be a huge disconnect between the general
public and the media.”

The comments I’ve received from Muslims in the wholesale and retail
food industry are the same as those from non-Muslims – they too feel
they are being ripped off.

I started out this investigation with an unfair view that the halal
rort was a scam all Muslims were complicit in.

I was very wrong! And I was shocked at the degree to which Muslims
wanted to speak out anonymously.

This led me to believe the whole scam was being organised only from
the top of the Muslim tree with these operators skimming money from
infidels and Muslims alike, below them.

Australia has two halal markets; domestic and export. Our Federal
government must draw a line down the middle and separate them.

DOMESTIC MARKETS:

There are no non-food products listed in the Qur’an and Hadith. The
non-food additions are invented by the scammers. Many Islamic scholars
confirm this.

Domestic halal stamps should be regulated and issued by one Government
department, with one official halal logo. As is stands, any
non-religious body, or enterprising businessman, can trademark a logo
and set up shop, targeting everything a consumer will need to
purchase.

According to AQIS, in the 2013/2014 financial year, Australia’s
largest importers of Australian halal red meat based on value are
Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Indonesia,
Malaysia, and Jordan.

Common sense dictates there be one Government certifying body, in line
and in agreement with, our major Islamic trading partners. One
officially recognised halal stamp!

This was the recommendation of Woodward’s Royal Commission in 1983.
That recommendation has still not been implemented.

This would instantly shut off halal funds arriving in terrorists’ bank
accounts. And people like Mr Mouelhy could get himself a proper job,
like cleaning toilets in C Block.

ISLAMIC COUNTRIES HAVE ONLY ONE HALAL AUTHORITY

INDONESIA – The halal authority is presently transitioning from the
MUI (clerics) pending a new government agency. The MUI has temporary
charge of certification until 2018 at which time the new government
agency will come under the authority of a Halal Product Certification
Agency, or BPJH.

SAUDI ARABIA –Saudi Food and Drug Authority via Department of Halal
Meat

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES - The Emirates Authority for Standardisation &
Metrology (ESMA) via The UAE Ministry of Environment and Water

MALAYSIA - Malaysian Halal Standard via The Department of Islamic
Development Malaysia or Jabatan Kemajuan Islam Malaysia (JAKIM)

QATAR - Qatar Supreme Council of Health via Department of Health
Outlets and Food Control

IRAN - Islamic Chamber (Ministry) Research and Information Center
(lCRIC)

KUWAIT - Ministry of Commerce and Industry, Public Authority of
Industry

LEBANON - Centre For Research In Shariah, Science & Technology

YEMEN - Yemen Standardisation Metrology & Quality Control Organisation

For export integrity, security and consumer confidence, a one-off fee
should be paid to the Australian Government, by any exporter seeking
halal certification, not the current annual royalties to dozens of
private crooks.

Vegemite has had the same halal formula since 1922. Kraft isn’t about
to change it to a haram (unlawful) formula. So if Kraft, Cadbury,
Nestle et al, choose to remain halal certified, they should be paying
a nominal fee to an Australian Government agency and they will comply
with the required health standards as they already do.

The government (we, the Australian people) would benefit from the
income, just as the Indonesian government has moved to do.

Consumer anger would be dissolved in an instant.

The consumer can confidently start buying their once-favourite
Vegemite and Cadbury chocolates without wondering where their money is
going to,

All red meat producers would be subject to random inspections as they
are now from government meat inspectors. Pretty simple really.

Penalties for non-conforming would apply as normal under Section 18 of
the Consumer Competition and Consumer Act 2010 as they do now. It’s a
no brainer.

Each company who pays for halal certification must display the halal
symbol clearly under newly proposed food labelling laws.

Currently, companies are removing or hiding the halal stamp to
maintain their domestic market. Coon sliced cheese, for example, does
not disclose the halal stamp outside its packaging, but on the inside
wrapping of the cheese, hidden from the consumer.

This is clearly deceptive and misleading, exposing Coon to serious
charges.

Halal butchers sourcing from halal abattoirs should not need to pay
multiple times in an endless chain of extortionist rip-offs to the
tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars all the way down the line to
where the pensioner buys her snags.

A growing number of food producers are now reconsidering halal
certification or have made board decisions to drop halal logos
altogether when current certification expires.

“The risk isn’t worth the small ‘potential’ market gain”, one food
executive told me.

Another said, “Look, we’re just average Australians too. We see what’s
happening in the news. We’re no different to our customers. We don’t
want to support something that makes us and our customers feel
uncomfortable. Management has discussed all of this in a sensitive
way.

"We also don’t know where the fees we pay go to. It’s not transparent
enough for us. We’re following the whole halal certification debate in
the news and online. We don’t want to be a part of it. You can quote
me, but please leave our company name out of it.”

All producers, wholesalers and retailers I spoke to agreed halal
certification would be better off in the hands of an existing
government Agency covering food or health.

HARAM, NOT HALAL, LABELLING (my solution)

Almost all foods are already halal so how the hell does it make sense
to label the thousands of various foods that ARE halal?

If one cookie in a thousand is marijuana-laced, would you label the
one that is, or the 999 that aren’t. Mr Mouelhy wants you to label the
999 that aren’t because he can make a heap of money out of that, at
your expense.

You see no-one, not even Mr Mouelhy, can make any money out of only
one cookie that is labeled as marijuana-laced.

One stamp would instantly fix the problem and remove the existing
graft and corruption. (end my solution)

Jakarta Post, 25 February 2014:
“The Indonesian Consumers Association has proposed that halal labels
be replaced with non-halal certificates.”

If you are angered about being scammed by halal rip-offs and your
grocery money going to proscribed terrorist groups, typing on facebook
won’t be enough. Now we have made an impact... politicians are
listening

If we let up now, so too will they.

Human Appeal International Islamic “charity” is an established conduit
to financing terrorist groups. I was tipped off to this by members of
the Muslim community themselves. Their accusations were found to be
spot on, but they can’t speak out... we can.

HUMAN APPEAL INTERNATIONAL:
Sydney Office
119 Haldon St
Lakemba NSW 2195, Australia
Email:in...@humanappeal.org.au
Phone: +61 2 9750 3161
Fax: +61 2 9750 2524

Melbourne Office
149 Sydney Rd
Coburg VIC 3058, Australia
Email:m...@humanappeal.org.au
Phone:+61 3 9386 4677
Fax: +61 3 9386 4688

Adelaide Office:
Level 1, 53 Henley Beach Road,
Mile End SA 5031
E-mail: s...@humanappeal.org.au
Phone:+61 8 7200 2882
fax:+61 8 7131 9209

One Halal Certifier who is donating large sums to Human Appeal
International is Managing Director, Mohamed El Mouelhy, of Halal
Helpline and Halal Certification Authority Pty Ltd: Suite 701 Level 7,
90 Pitt Street, Sydney 2000, NSW.

[A huge thankyou to all who assisted in this series.]
--
Petzl
The Christian Democratic Party
http://www.cdp.org.au/what-is-cdp.html

It's not taught in school, but our Constitutional Monarchy places us
under God - the Christian God, whose compound redemptive Name is Lord
Jesus Christ.

Halal certified products unfit for Christian consuption
Cursed by God!
https://www.facebook.com/notes/boycott-halal-in-australia/halal-certified-list-in-categories-still-working-on/466200376862104
Some examples first and second of God's ten commandments,"1 COR 8","
"Acts 15:29",etc. First testament ("Exodus 20:4") has people breaking
out in boils, first born dying, famine, pestilence and much more
--
Petzl
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious.
But it cannot survive treason from within.
An enemy at the gates is less formidable,for he is known and carries his banner openly.
But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely,
his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys,heard
in the very halls of government itself.
For the traitor appears not a traitor;
he speaks in accents familiar to his victims,
and he wears their face
and their arguments,he appeals to the baseness
that lies deep in the hearts of all men.
He rots the soul of a nation,
he works secretly and unknown in the night
to undermine the pillars of the city,
he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.
A murderer is less to fear.
The traitor is the plague.--Marcus Tullius Cicero

Abominable Liar Party

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Mar 7, 2015, 10:24:21 PM3/7/15

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On 8/03/2015 11:55 AM, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 00:29:31 GMT, alt.fan.j...@googlegroups.com
> (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>
>> Australian PM Tony Abbott launches nationwide crackdown
>> on radical mosques and Muslims
>>
>> March 2, 2015
>>
>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2015/03/australian-pm-tony-abbott-launches.html
>>
> But Abbott's don't mind the funding of terrorism through Halal
> Certification?
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/ABBOTTREPLY.jpg

The view presented is not shown, you thick idiot.

>
> Larry Pickerings site seems to been made off line
> Have made text to speech recording
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/HALAL_FUNDS_TERROR.mp3
>
> Text below
> PEOPLE POWER – reclaiming your Australia
>
> Digging deep into the halal certification scam has not presented a
> pretty sight, but every dark cloud has a silver lining. I have been
> informed that a number of Coalition MPs are now ready to move on halal
> certification.
>
> That’s not including Senator Jacqui Lambie who will be introducing a
> Private Members Bill that will demand transparency of the halal money
> flow.

Excellent, that's all we need to know.

This is what Australia would look like with the ALP and without iron ore
and coal:
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=greece+riots&tbm=isch

Tax Receipts, Costello: 2003-07: 982,341
Tax Receipts, Swan: 2007-11: 1,174,203
Difference: ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY-ONE BILLION DOLLARS
http://www.treasury.gov.au/Policy-Topics/Taxation/Pocket-Guide-to-the-Australian-Tax-System/Pocket-Guide-to-the-Australian-Tax-System/Appendix-C

ALP ineptitude = $20b opening balance + $280b closing balance + $191b
more revenue = $491b

So what did Labor leave as a legacy after WASTING $491 BILLION?
NO INFRASTRUCTURE
600,000 MORE UNEMPLOYED
60,000 VISA CHEATS
14,000+ PAGES OF LEGISLATION
1 X MISOGYNY SPEECH

ALP versus Jobs:
http://www.roymorgan.com/~/media/Files/Morgan%20Poll/2014/October/5842-monthly.JPG

The Basic Laws of Australian Labor:
"A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a
group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly
incurring losses"
http://www.zoon.cc/stupid/

Labor's scorecard:
600,000 more unemployed, 3 minus 3 car manufacturers equals zero,
Whyalla on life support, a decimated aluminium industry, doubled
electricity prices, quarter of a million immigrants and no new
infrasructure, fourteen thousand new pages of legislation, one abuse
hypocritical and silly speech on 'misogyny', four deceased apprentices,
one thousand two hundred drowned asylum seekers, a handbag with an
affinity for being fingered (up the rear) by small Asian women, one
"world's greatest finance minister", three huge unfunded promises,
cancellation of the "$500b investment pipeline", another stolen
generation, 1,000 kids in detention, 50,000 unwanted & unqualified visa
cheats
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-16/boat-arrivals-by-year-graph/4694210),
two fraud artists - an MP and an ALP national president, one paedophile
- convicted, that is, one former rape suspect, one lazy Victorian police
force, insufficient evidence, lost evidence, destruction of evidence and
half a trillion dollars of debt, one squandered mining boom
(http://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2009/jan/images/lvl-dist-mining-graph3.gif),
one (um) jumped-up twit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PguhkVG49To),
one minus one democracy (http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/?p=4905) and
last but not least ... the first fat arsed PM in Australian history
(http://tinyurl.com/Gillard4Sale).

#auspol #ausdebate

Petzl

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Mar 8, 2015, 12:10:46 AM3/8/15

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:24:14 +1100, Abominable Liar Party
<bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>On 8/03/2015 11:55 AM, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 00:29:31 GMT, alt.fan.j...@googlegroups.com
>> (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>>
>>> Australian PM Tony Abbott launches nationwide crackdown
>>> on radical mosques and Muslims
>>>
>>> March 2, 2015
>>>
>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2015/03/australian-pm-tony-abbott-launches.html
>>>
>> But Abbott's don't mind the funding of terrorism through Halal
>> Certification?
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/ABBOTTREPLY.jpg
>
>The view presented is not shown, you thick idiot.
>

Copy and past of Abbott's reply
******************
Thank you for letting me know your views on halal certification.

I respectfully disagree with your view.

The choice of any Australian business to certify or sell halal food is
theirs to make.

There should not be any compulsion to sell or not to sell any form of
food.

As halal certification does not risk the health and safety of
consumers, it is not government’s place to interfere in commercial
decisions.

Australia is a free, fair and diverse society. Religious freedom is a
settled part of the Australian tradition.
We are free to choose our religion, and should be able to express and
practice our religion, without intimidation and without interference,
as long as those practices are within the law.
*********

Islam is not a religion Abbott knows this in Australia it is a death
cult!Australia's ONLY legal defined GOD is our Christian God, Compound
redemptive name being *LORD JESUS CHRIST*

"as long as those practices are within the law."
So Funding "Islamic" in actuality terrorist groups is with-in
Australian law because lying corrupt Abbott claims a death cult is a
religion?

>> Larry Pickerings site seems to been made off line
>> Have made text to speech recording
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/HALAL_FUNDS_TERROR.mp3
>>
>> Text below
>> PEOPLE POWER – reclaiming your Australia
>>
>> Digging deep into the halal certification scam has not presented a
>> pretty sight, but every dark cloud has a silver lining. I have been

[snip]
--
Petzl

Islam is of course synonymous with terrorism
There are more Australian Muslims fighting with al Qaeda linked
groups than there are in the Australian Defence Force fighting against them!
.
Major majority of the worlds refugees are created by Islam since the
days of Mohammad. Mainly because Islam is actually a violent political
process, not a religion at all.
Islamic conquests have always been by infiltration (Trojan Horse:
Al-Hijra, The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration). This is how Islam
grows, a violent political process using , terrorist attack from
within, eventually followed by surprise attack, followed by killing
for killings sake.
Once Moslems have foothold maintaining rule is held by continued
carnage and ruthlessness.
Until it's recognized Islam is the problem nothing will change!
How Islam began and still violently grows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

Gordon Levi

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Mar 8, 2015, 12:44:46 AM3/8/15

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People have the right to be members of a death cult provided that the
death cult is not specifically proscribed under Australian law. If
that were not the case you and the other members of your "Christian"
cult that advocates drowning asylum seekers and attempts to justify
the mass shooting of Norwegian children would be in prison.

Abominable Liar Party

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Mar 8, 2015, 1:38:11 AM3/8/15

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On 8/03/2015 4:10 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:24:14 +1100, Abominable Liar Party
> <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 8/03/2015 11:55 AM, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 00:29:31 GMT, alt.fan.j...@googlegroups.com
>>> (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Australian PM Tony Abbott launches nationwide crackdown
>>>> on radical mosques and Muslims
>>>>
>>>> March 2, 2015
>>>>
>>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2015/03/australian-pm-tony-abbott-launches.html
>>>>
>>> But Abbott's don't mind the funding of terrorism through Halal
>>> Certification?
>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/ABBOTTREPLY.jpg
>>
>> The view presented is not shown, you thick idiot.
>>

Dear Mr Abbott,
I beseech you to shoot all the Muslims.
Resp,
Petzl

> Copy and past of Abbott's reply
> ******************

Dear Mr Petzl,
I respectfully disagree with you.
Resp,
The PM.

THE VIEW PRESENTED TO MR ABBOTT IS NOT SHOWN, YOU THICK IDIOT.

Petzl

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Mar 8, 2015, 4:53:06 AM3/8/15

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So Halal Certification 3% "duty" is poviding money to *outlawed*
Islamic terrorist groups is OK by you?

Human Appeal International Islamic “charity” is an established
conduit to financing terrorist groups. I was tipped off to this by
members of the Muslim community themselves. Their accusations were
found to be spot on, but they can’t speak out... we can.

HUMAN APPEAL INTERNATIONAL:
Sydney Office
119 Haldon St
Lakemba NSW 2195, Australia
Email:in...@humanappeal.org.au
Phone: +61 2 9750 3161
Fax: +61 2 9750 2524

Melbourne Office
149 Sydney Rd
Coburg VIC 3058, Australia
Email:m...@humanappeal.org.au
Phone:+61 3 9386 4677
Fax: +61 3 9386 4688

Petzl

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Mar 8, 2015, 5:01:33 AM3/8/15

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 17:38:07 +1100, Abominable Liar Party

"As for Halal Certification funding terrorism it 100% does and is
reluctantly reported time and time again"

Ördög Belphegor Lucifer Mephisto Satan

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Mar 8, 2015, 6:11:20 AM3/8/15

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* Petzl prophesied:*

/snip

> Human Appeal International Islamic charity is an established
> conduit to financing terrorist groups. I was tipped off to this by
> members of the Muslim community themselves. Their accusations were
> found to be spot on, but they can t speak out... we can.

Really?

What I can't figure out is that if you are in the possession of credible
evidence to back up your assertion WTF are you posting shit into Usenet
instead of walking down to your nearest Police Station and giving an
official statement about the matter?

Petz, as usual you are full of shit. You know quite well that the Police
would laugh their collective heads off hearing your bigoted hearsay
phantasms.
In fact, you might just get transported in a padded wagon over to a public
hospital for psych-evaluation.

The trolling header was shortened as necessary!

--
Ördög
? The friedly devil in service of aus.politics and Usenet
"Either the LNP-TeaParty goes or civility dies in Australia"

Gordon Levi

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Mar 8, 2015, 9:22:44 AM3/8/15

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If you have any evidence that any money from any source is going to a
proscribed terrorist group you should give it the police. Have you? In
your shoes I would be wary of extending the list of proscribed groups
because your own "Christian" death cult may be next.

Petzl

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Mar 8, 2015, 5:00:10 PM3/8/15

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On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 00:22:39 +1100, Gordon Levi
<gor...@address.invalid> wrote:

>>>>Islam is not a religion Abbott knows this in Australia it is a death
>>>>cult!Australia's ONLY legal defined GOD is our Christian God, Compound
>>>>redemptive name being *LORD JESUS CHRIST*
>>>>
>>>>"as long as those practices are within the law."
>>>>So Funding "Islamic" in actuality terrorist groups is with-in
>>>>Australian law because lying corrupt Abbott claims a death cult is a
>>>>religion?
>>>
>>>People have the right to be members of a death cult provided that the
>>>death cult is not specifically proscribed under Australian law. If
>>>that were not the case you and the other members of your "Christian"
>>>cult that advocates drowning asylum seekers and attempts to justify
>>>the mass shooting of Norwegian children would be in prison.
>>
>>So Halal Certification 3% "duty" is poviding money to *outlawed*
>>Islamic terrorist groups is OK by you?
>
>If you have any evidence that any money from any source is going to a
>proscribed terrorist group you should give it the police. Have you? In
>your shoes I would be wary of extending the list of proscribed groups
>because your own "Christian" death cult may be next.

That evidence has been known about since the 1990's when scam Islamic
"charity" HAI were funding terrorist attacks against Serbia!
Now funding "Muslim brotherhood" and Hamas!
http://www.globalmbwatch.com/wiki/human-appeal-international/

Don't know how dumb ASIO and Abbott are but worldwide Halal
Certifictation has unquestionably been kmown to fund terrorism!

>>
>> Human Appeal International Islamic “charity” is an established
>>conduit to financing terrorist groups. I was tipped off to this by
>>members of the Muslim community themselves. Their accusations were
>>found to be spot on, but they can’t speak out... we can.
>>

>>HUMAN APPEAL INTERNATIONAL: (HAI)

>>Sydney Office
>>119 Haldon St
>>Lakemba NSW 2195, Australia
>>Email:in...@humanappeal.org.au
>>Phone: +61 2 9750 3161
>>Fax: +61 2 9750 2524
>>
>>Melbourne Office
>>149 Sydney Rd
>>Coburg VIC 3058, Australia
>>Email:m...@humanappeal.org.au
>>Phone:+61 3 9386 4677
>>Fax: +61 3 9386 4688

Abominable Liar Party

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Mar 8, 2015, 7:48:40 PM3/8/15

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You pathetic little moral relativist fuckwit!

Whilst Petzl personally has some questionable beliefs, the organisation
that he claims to belong to is a legal political party, participating
openly in the democratic process.

How typical of a low-life leftist like you to smear them as a "death cult"!

Clearly you are hapy to sacrifice your principles to defend your
ideology. That makes *you* no better than a Nazi yourself.

Secondly, it has been explained to you (repeatedly) that in the absence
of audited accounts being provided it will be *assumed* that the money
goes to terrorism. It is quite easy for the Muslim Council to refute the
claims and publish their accounts.

You're one of the morons that accepts paying for Halaal certification of
Salmon when the Koran itself decrees it to be Halal permanently & for
all time. You're not even interested of concerned that your money will
pay for suicide bombs and missiles aimed at kindergartens? Would you be
so unconcerned if your own kids were in the firing line?

>>
>> Human Appeal International Islamic “charity” is an established
>> conduit to financing terrorist groups. I was tipped off to this by
>> members of the Muslim community themselves. Their accusations were
>> found to be spot on, but they can’t speak out... we can.
>>
>> HUMAN APPEAL INTERNATIONAL:
>> Sydney Office
>> 119 Haldon St
>> Lakemba NSW 2195, Australia
>> Email:in...@humanappeal.org.au
>> Phone: +61 2 9750 3161
>> Fax: +61 2 9750 2524
>>
>> Melbourne Office
>> 149 Sydney Rd
>> Coburg VIC 3058, Australia
>> Email:m...@humanappeal.org.au
>> Phone:+61 3 9386 4677
>> Fax: +61 3 9386 4688

Petzl

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Halal Certification Australia pays to fund terrorism through
scam "charity" called
HUMAN APPEAL INTERNATIONAL: (HAI)
Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Appeal_International
Talk about the "innocence" of a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo!
--
Petzl
Islamists behave the same way wherever they are allowed to infest.
They share tips and tricks on how to cheat the infidel. One of these
tips is that infidels never want to believe the extent and cynicism of
the islamist hatred toward them and to the west and its people. If the
infidel is given a choice between fighting for the truth with an
islamist, or paying him compensation as "piss off" money, they will
always take the latter. Another is that their religion sanctions any
illegal activity.

Abominable Liar Party

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On 9/03/2015 11:02 AM, Petzl wrote:
> Halal Certification Australia pays to fund terrorism through
> scam "charity" called
> HUMAN APPEAL INTERNATIONAL: (HAI)
> Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Appeal_International
> Talk about the "innocence" of a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo!

There is no evidence *presented* that *Halal* money goes to HAI.

The last ref states:

"While there is no evidence to suggest any Australian organisation has
any links to Hamas or other terrorist organisation, there are concerns
about where funds from one Sydney group may be going".
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2003/s951368.htm

This is reason to have mandatory publication of audited accounts.

Petzl

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On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 11:11:17 +1100, Abominable Liar Party
<bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>On 9/03/2015 11:02 AM, Petzl wrote:
>> Halal Certification Australia pays to fund terrorism through
>> scam "charity" called
>> HUMAN APPEAL INTERNATIONAL: (HAI)
>> Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Appeal_International
>> Talk about the "innocence" of a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo!
>
>There is no evidence *presented* that *Halal* money goes to HAI.
>
>The last ref states:
>
>"While there is no evidence to suggest any Australian organisation has
>any links to Hamas or other terrorist organisation, there are concerns
>about where funds from one Sydney group may be going".
>http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2003/s951368.htm
>
>This is reason to have mandatory publication of audited accounts.

It would help.
Trouble is "our" government seems frightened of what it would find.
So "our" government will look otherway

Larry Pickering wrote in a now 13 part investigation
Seems there are plenty of Muslims that "off record" state.
Toward end

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=825992934121533&id=236991276355038&substory_index=0

I was tipped off to this by members of the Muslim community
themselves. Their accusations were found to be spot on, but they can’t
speak out... we can.

One Halal Certifier who is donating large sums to Human Appeal
International is Managing Director, Mohamed El Mouelhy, of Halal
Helpline and Halal Certification Authority Pty Ltd: Suite 701 Level 7,
90 Pitt Street, Sydney 2000, NSW.

Gordon Levi

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Petzl belongs to a fundamentalist "Christian" cult. Which political
party he supports is not relevant.

>
>How typical of a low-life leftist like you to smear them as a "death cult"!
>
>Clearly you are hapy to sacrifice your principles to defend your
>ideology. That makes *you* no better than a Nazi yourself.
>
>Secondly, it has been explained to you (repeatedly) that in the absence
>of audited accounts being provided it will be *assumed* that the money
>goes to terrorism. It is quite easy for the Muslim Council to refute the
>claims and publish their accounts.

The AFP has the power to trace back from a known donation to a
proscribed organisation to the source of the funds and will discover
if the Islamic Council is involved. It is naive to think that anyone
would list a donation to a proscribed organisation in their accounts.
You _can_ safely assume that the money goes to an organisation you
disapprove of since it is certain to be Muslim. If you don't buy from
organisations that have their products Halal certified you can stop
whinging.

The imposition of audited accounts on all contractors involved in a
manufacturing process is exactly the sort of red tape that the federal
government is trying to eliminate and you claim to agree with them.

>
>You're one of the morons that accepts paying for Halaal certification of
>Salmon when the Koran itself decrees it to be Halal permanently & for
>all time.

I have never seen fresh salmon Halal certified. Have you? Halal
certification is applied to manufactured salmon goods. I'm sure you
know exactly what needs to be done to ensure that the process is
Kosher, Halal and ISO9001 compliant and you can save Tassal a fortune
by combining the certification.

> You're not even interested of concerned that your money will
>pay for suicide bombs and missiles aimed at kindergartens? Would you be
>so unconcerned if your own kids were in the firing line?

Emotional clap trap. Try to provide reasoned responses.

Petzl

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Mar 9, 2015, 4:16:59 AM3/9/15

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On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 16:30:52 +1100, Gordon Levi

It's been public domain since the 1990's that Human Appeal
International (HAI) is a front for funding Islamic terror funding!
Why are they operating in Australia? The USA has banned them!
http://bit.ly/194r7TU
It is now public domain that amongst others a Halal Certifier who is

donating large sums to Human Appeal International is Managing
Director, Mohamed El Mouelhy, of Halal Helpline and Halal
Certification Authority Pty Ltd: Suite 701 Level 7, 90 Pitt Street,
Sydney 2000, NSW.

I believe "our" government have known this for years!

Abominable Liar Party

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Which cult is that?

I am not aware of *any* Christian "death cults" in Australia.

Your comments are highly offensive.

>>
>> How typical of a low-life leftist like you to smear them as a "death cult"!

You need to start apologising. As of now.

>>
>> Clearly you are hapy to sacrifice your principles to defend your
>> ideology. That makes *you* no better than a Nazi yourself.

Loosely smearing your political opponents as "death cults" is stage 2 or
3 of the genocide process. Are you unwittingly applying the genocide
process?

>>
>> Secondly, it has been explained to you (repeatedly) that in the absence
>> of audited accounts being provided it will be *assumed* that the money
>> goes to terrorism. It is quite easy for the Muslim Council to refute the
>> claims and publish their accounts.
>
> The AFP has the power to trace back from a known donation to a
> proscribed organisation to the source of the funds and will discover
> if the Islamic Council is involved. It is naive to think that anyone
> would list a donation to a proscribed organisation in their accounts.

It is not naive to think that *since* they do *not* disclose the use of
the funds, there is a very high *likelihood* that they fund terror
organisations.

People like you, with shallow thinking, almost invariably think that
they are at the centre. The same applies to a radical Islamist. He
thinks that *he* is at the centre and not radical at all. Leaving
radical Islamicists to self-disclose is therefore completely *dumb*. But
you supported Rudd, Gillard, Swan, Carr et al so it shouldn't be surprising.

Let's say, for example, they did disclose and it transpired that the
money went to the Muslim brotherhood. Would you purchase Tassal or Vegemite?

Disclosure is the fundamental building block of an open, liberal
society, so I am not at all surprised that a leftist like you defends
the opacity, denial and the sheer extortion at the heart of the Halal
system.

> You _can_ safely assume that the money goes to an organisation you
> disapprove of since it is certain to be Muslim. If you don't buy from
> organisations that have their products Halal certified you can stop
> whinging.

If you are trying to say in your clumsy manner that I disapprove of
Muslim organisations, you are wrong. As a libertarian and a liberal I
couldn't care less whether or not people want to collectively worship
sky fairies or not.

>
> The imposition of audited accounts on all contractors involved in a
> manufacturing process is exactly the sort of red tape that the federal
> government is trying to eliminate and you claim to agree with them.

Rubbish. It would be no different to financial accounts. And if there is
an excessive cost, so much the better as companies will think twice
about potentially funding Hamas.

>>
>> You're one of the morons that accepts paying for Halaal certification of
>> Salmon when the Koran itself decrees it to be Halal permanently & for
>> all time.
>
> I have never seen fresh salmon Halal certified. Have you? Halal
> certification is applied to manufactured salmon goods. I'm sure you
> know exactly what needs to be done to ensure that the process is
> Kosher, Halal and ISO9001 compliant and you can save Tassal a fortune
> by combining the certification.

Please don't mention ISO9001 in the same breath as Halal. Are you nuts?

ISO9001 is a quality certification. Halal is a system of extortion based
on superstitious nonsense from the 6th century.

Get a brain.

>> You're not even interested of concerned that your money will
>> pay for suicide bombs and missiles aimed at kindergartens? Would you be
>> so unconcerned if your own kids were in the firing line?
>
> Emotional clap trap. Try to provide reasoned responses.
>

Your are quite foolish to dismiss the very high likelihood of Halal fees
funding terrorism when you consider the enormous amounts involved and
the avoidance of disclosure of any data.

It was a fair question.

But you are proving to be a radical yourself, calling people members of
a "Christian death cult".

There is no such thing. At least not on this planet. What planet are you on?

I'm starting to think you're a nutter. "Christian death cult". Jeez!

Abominable Liar Party

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On 9/03/2015 4:30 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:

> I have never seen fresh salmon Halal certified. Have you? Halal
> certification is applied to manufactured salmon goods. I'm sure you
> know exactly what needs to be done to ensure that the process is
> Kosher, Halal and ISO9001 compliant and you can save Tassal a fortune
> by combining the certification.

"All products"

http://www.tassal.com.au/food-quality-and-safety/

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So fresh salmon is not a product?

>>
>> http://www.tassal.com.au/food-quality-and-safety/

You're a fucken idiot. Bending over backward to find excuses for a
blatant system of extortion.

FISH WITH SCALES ARE DEFINED AS HALAL FROM FIRST PRINCIPLES. THERE IS NO
NEED FOR ANY HALAL CERTIFICATION WHATSOEVER.

THAT ALONE IS REASON TO BAN HALAL.

THE LACK OF ANY DISCLOSURE IS ANOTHER REASON.

Petzl

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On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 00:05:48 +1100, Abominable Liar Party

<bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>On 9/03/2015 11:52 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>> Abominable Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/03/2015 4:30 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>>> I have never seen fresh salmon Halal certified. Have you? Halal
>>>> certification is applied to manufactured salmon goods. I'm sure you
>>>> know exactly what needs to be done to ensure that the process is
>>>> Kosher, Halal and ISO9001 compliant and you can save Tassal a fortune
>>>> by combining the certification.
>>>
>>>
>>> "All products"
>>
>> Products are the result of a process. It is the processing that
>> requires Halal, Kosher and ISO9001 certification.
>
>So fresh salmon is not a product?
>
>>>
>>> http://www.tassal.com.au/food-quality-and-safety/
>
>You're a fucken idiot. Bending over backward to find excuses for a
>blatant system of extortion.
>
>FISH WITH SCALES ARE DEFINED AS HALAL FROM FIRST PRINCIPLES. THERE IS NO
>NEED FOR ANY HALAL CERTIFICATION WHATSOEVER.
>
>THAT ALONE IS REASON TO BAN HALAL.
>
>THE LACK OF ANY DISCLOSURE IS ANOTHER REASON.

Halal Certification is a scam by unscrupulous moneymen who are
profiting from misrepresenting Islamic teachings.upsetting both
non-Moslem consumers and devoutly religious Moslems, who are dismayed
and angered that unscrupulous moneymen are profiting from
misrepresenting Islamic teachings.
Moslems say they already know what haram foods to avoid because it’s
part of their teachings, and the list is quite small. If there is
doubt (mashbooh) whether a food is halal, a simple prayer is said over
the food and it immediately becomes halal.
--
Petzl
The Christian belief and fact is Moslems are deceived.
Like Schizophrenics, they need therapy;
Not confirmation of their delusions.
The recognized place of worship in a Christian Nation is a Christian Church.
Mosques are the recognized place of worship only in Moslem countries
Australia's only legally defined God is our Christian God whose compound redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ
Something as simple as denying Moslems a place to pray is all it takes to make them leave voluntarily and peacefully.

Petzl

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On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 23:43:00 +1100, Gordon Levi
<gor...@address.invalid> wrote:

>>It's been public domain since the 1990's that Human Appeal
>>International (HAI) is a front for funding Islamic terror funding!
>>Why are they operating in Australia? The USA has banned them!
>>http://bit.ly/194r7TU
>
>From your first link "Human Appeal has never been officially
>designated as a supporter of terrorism, although a number of US
>government institutions have referred to Human Appeal as a supporter
>of terror".

Listed with a lot of Islamic "charities" linked to funding terrorists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_charities_accused_of_ties_to_terrorism
Human Appeal International (HAI) amonst them
More so with the google searc link
http://bit.ly/194r7TU

>>It is now public domain that amongst others a Halal Certifier who is
>>donating large sums to Human Appeal International is Managing
>>Director, Mohamed El Mouelhy, of Halal Helpline and Halal
>>Certification Authority Pty Ltd: Suite 701 Level 7, 90 Pitt Street,
>>Sydney 2000, NSW.
>>
>>I believe "our" government have known this for years!
>
>We have a system in place to prevent funding _Australian_ designated
>terrorist organisations. Human Appeal International is not one of
>them. Perhaps you should advocate to extend it to groups that voice
>their support of violence in addition to those that actually fund it.
>As I have said before you will find that a problem because it would
>necessarily include the group you belong to that supports violence
>against Muslims.

Yeah sure?
Moslems are such a peacful lot? God forbid the law doing something to
deter Moslem violence!
http://youtu.be/PBtct-z9JS8
Look at Sydneys "peaceful" Moslems?
http://bit.ly/1C2N9CW
--
Petzl
For around 1,400 years Islam has produced the major majority of the worlds refugees!
Time to address the fact the problem is Islam.
Like Schizophrenics, they need therapy. Not confirmation of their delusions and as refugees made leave their delusions where they created them.
Fleeing from what they created!
The ONLY Nations mistakenly welcoming Moslems have a Christian history, not a Sharia history

Byker

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"Moderate" Muslims? No such animal: http://tinyurl.com/nt5pzxz

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
http://www.avast.com

dechucka

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"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
news:cm5k5e...@mid.individual.net...

> On 9/03/2015 11:52 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>> Abominable Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/03/2015 4:30 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>>> I have never seen fresh salmon Halal certified. Have you? Halal
>>>> certification is applied to manufactured salmon goods. I'm sure you
>>>> know exactly what needs to be done to ensure that the process is
>>>> Kosher, Halal and ISO9001 compliant and you can save Tassal a fortune
>>>> by combining the certification.
>>>
>>>
>>> "All products"
>>
>> Products are the result of a process. It is the processing that
>> requires Halal, Kosher and ISO9001 certification.
>
> So fresh salmon is not a product?

but once it is caught and handled it is processed just like say a cow

Gordon Levi

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Petzl has not told us that but his ideas about Moslems and the
Australian constitution echo those of several fundamentalist
"Christian" churches.

>
>I am not aware of *any* Christian "death cults" in Australia.

Why would you be? Neither you nor Petzl is aware of any Moslem death
cults in Australia but that does not stop you claiming they exist.

>
>Your comments are highly offensive.
>
>
>>>
>>> How typical of a low-life leftist like you to smear them as a "death cult"!
>
>You need to start apologising. As of now.
>
>>>
>>> Clearly you are hapy to sacrifice your principles to defend your
>>> ideology. That makes *you* no better than a Nazi yourself.
>
>Loosely smearing your political opponents as "death cults" is stage 2 or
>3 of the genocide process. Are you unwittingly applying the genocide
>process?
>
>>>
>>> Secondly, it has been explained to you (repeatedly) that in the absence
>>> of audited accounts being provided it will be *assumed* that the money
>>> goes to terrorism. It is quite easy for the Muslim Council to refute the
>>> claims and publish their accounts.
>>
>> The AFP has the power to trace back from a known donation to a
>> proscribed organisation to the source of the funds and will discover
>> if the Islamic Council is involved. It is naive to think that anyone
>> would list a donation to a proscribed organisation in their accounts.
>
>It is not naive to think that *since* they do *not* disclose the use of
>the funds, there is a very high *likelihood* that they fund terror
>organisations.

It _is_ naive to think that there is a line in their unpublished
accounts that says "Donations to ISIS".

>
>People like you, with shallow thinking, almost invariably think that
>they are at the centre. The same applies to a radical Islamist. He
>thinks that *he* is at the centre and not radical at all. Leaving
>radical Islamicists to self-disclose is therefore completely *dumb*. But
>you supported Rudd, Gillard, Swan, Carr et al so it shouldn't be surprising.
>
>Let's say, for example, they did disclose and it transpired that the
>money went to the Muslim brotherhood. Would you purchase Tassal or Vegemite?

Is it, or should it be, illegal to fund the Muslim brotherhood?

>
>Disclosure is the fundamental building block of an open, liberal
>society,

I agree but there has to be a balance between the benefits of
disclosure and the cost and infringement on privacy of making
disclosure obligatory. Should you be obliged to disclose that some of
the money from your contract work went to your ALP membership fee?

> so I am not at all surprised that a leftist like you defends
>the opacity, denial and the sheer extortion at the heart of the Halal
>system.
>> You _can_ safely assume that the money goes to an organisation you
>> disapprove of since it is certain to be Muslim. If you don't buy from
>> organisations that have their products Halal certified you can stop
>> whinging.
>
>If you are trying to say in your clumsy manner that I disapprove of
>Muslim organisations, you are wrong. As a libertarian and a liberal I
>couldn't care less whether or not people want to collectively worship
>sky fairies or not.
>
>>
>> The imposition of audited accounts on all contractors involved in a
>> manufacturing process is exactly the sort of red tape that the federal
>> government is trying to eliminate and you claim to agree with them.
>
>Rubbish. It would be no different to financial accounts. And if there is
>an excessive cost, so much the better as companies will think twice
>about potentially funding Hamas.

I am content to rely on the current legal requirements to ensure that
your business and the Islamic Council are not funding an illegal
enterprise.

>
>>>
>>> You're one of the morons that accepts paying for Halaal certification of
>>> Salmon when the Koran itself decrees it to be Halal permanently & for
>>> all time.
>>
>> I have never seen fresh salmon Halal certified. Have you? Halal
>> certification is applied to manufactured salmon goods. I'm sure you
>> know exactly what needs to be done to ensure that the process is
>> Kosher, Halal and ISO9001 compliant and you can save Tassal a fortune
>> by combining the certification.
>
>Please don't mention ISO9001 in the same breath as Halal. Are you nuts?
>
>ISO9001 is a quality certification. Halal is a system of extortion based
>on superstitious nonsense from the 6th century.

You don't understand certification. Tassal could produce their
products to ISO9001 quality without it. Halal and ISO9001 are on the
same Tassal web page because they understand that certification is
about sales and what will appeal to their target markets.

>>>> Secondly, it has been explained to you (repeatedly) that in the absence
>>>> of audited accounts being provided it will be *assumed* that the money
>>>> goes to terrorism. It is quite easy for the Muslim Council to refute the
>>>> claims and publish their accounts.
>>>
>>> The AFP has the power to trace back from a known donation to a
>>> proscribed organisation to the source of the funds and will discover
>>> if the Islamic Council is involved. It is naive to think that anyone
>>> would list a donation to a proscribed organisation in their accounts.
>>
>> It is not naive to think that *since* they do *not* disclose the use of
>> the funds, there is a very high *likelihood* that they fund terror
>> organisations.
>
> It _is_ naive to think that there is a line in their unpublished
> accounts that says "Donations to ISIS".
>>
>> People like you, with shallow thinking, almost invariably think that
>> they are at the centre. The same applies to a radical Islamist. He
>> thinks that *he* is at the centre and not radical at all. Leaving
>> radical Islamicists to self-disclose is therefore completely *dumb*. But
>> you supported Rudd, Gillard, Swan, Carr et al so it shouldn't be surprising.
>>
>> Let's say, for example, they did disclose and it transpired that the
>> money went to the Muslim brotherhood. Would you purchase Tassal or Vegemite?
>
> Is it, or should it be, illegal to fund the Muslim brotherhood?

Disclose the application of Halal monies and people will decide for
themselves whether they will purchase Halal products.

What are you afraid of, an open society?

>>
>> Disclosure is the fundamental building block of an open, liberal
>> society,
>
> I agree but there has to be a balance between the benefits of
> disclosure and the cost and infringement on privacy of making
> disclosure obligatory.

You are defending the cost when you don't even know what it is.

*All* companies are audited for tax purposes. *All* listed companies
*must* disclose their accounts to the stock exchange.

There are listed companies with a market cap of $40k and they disclose
their accounts to the ASX.

The Halal authority (AFIC) earns over $40m from beef alone and you are
suggesting that the cost of disclosure is an issue.

You are a moral relativist fuckwit.

> Should you be obliged to disclose that some of
> the money from your contract work went to your ALP membership fee?

I sent a cheque for $5, knowing that it would cost them $20 to process.
Being financial morons, they haven't cancelled my membership. If they
try, I shall sue them for misleading conduct, because Kevin Rudd said I
would get "People's Choice".

>> so I am not at all surprised that a leftist like you defends
>> the opacity, denial and the sheer extortion at the heart of the Halal
>> system.
>>> You _can_ safely assume that the money goes to an organisation you
>>> disapprove of since it is certain to be Muslim. If you don't buy from
>>> organisations that have their products Halal certified you can stop
>>> whinging.
>>
>> If you are trying to say in your clumsy manner that I disapprove of
>> Muslim organisations, you are wrong. As a libertarian and a liberal I
>> couldn't care less whether or not people want to collectively worship
>> sky fairies or not.
>>
>>>
>>> The imposition of audited accounts on all contractors involved in a
>>> manufacturing process is exactly the sort of red tape that the federal
>>> government is trying to eliminate and you claim to agree with them.
>>
>> Rubbish. It would be no different to financial accounts. And if there is
>> an excessive cost, so much the better as companies will think twice
>> about potentially funding Hamas.
>
> I am content to rely on the current legal requirements to ensure that
> your business and the Islamic Council are not funding an illegal
> enterprise.

And you're quite happy to impose your moral relativist ideas on everyone
else.

Maybe you also trust companies to self-report their tax liability. I
don't & I want to see a requirement for independent audit. The same
applies to Halal.

>>
>>>>
>>>> You're one of the morons that accepts paying for Halaal certification of
>>>> Salmon when the Koran itself decrees it to be Halal permanently & for
>>>> all time.
>>>
>>> I have never seen fresh salmon Halal certified. Have you? Halal
>>> certification is applied to manufactured salmon goods. I'm sure you
>>> know exactly what needs to be done to ensure that the process is
>>> Kosher, Halal and ISO9001 compliant and you can save Tassal a fortune
>>> by combining the certification.
>>
>> Please don't mention ISO9001 in the same breath as Halal. Are you nuts?
>>
>> ISO9001 is a quality certification. Halal is a system of extortion based
>> on superstitious nonsense from the 6th century.
>
> You don't understand certification. Tassal could produce their
> products to ISO9001 quality without it. Halal and ISO9001 are on the
> same Tassal web page because they understand that certification is
> about sales and what will appeal to their target markets.

You don't understand either.

Tassal cannot self-certify as Halal.

Actually, they can. They simply need to quote the Koran and hadiths that
they produce fish with scales.

But they will be strong-armed and boycotted by sheiks who are part of
the scam and moral relativist idiots like you backing them.

>> Get a brain.
>>
>>>> You're not even interested of concerned that your money will
>>>> pay for suicide bombs and missiles aimed at kindergartens? Would you be
>>>> so unconcerned if your own kids were in the firing line?
>>>
>>> Emotional clap trap. Try to provide reasoned responses.
>>>
>>
>> Your are quite foolish to dismiss the very high likelihood of Halal fees
>> funding terrorism when you consider the enormous amounts involved and
>> the avoidance of disclosure of any data.
>>
>> It was a fair question.
>
> Of course it's a fair question and we have police force to answer it.

So you are quite comfortable with your money funding the Muslim Brotherhood?

>>
>> But you are proving to be a radical yourself, calling people members of
>> a "Christian death cult".
>>
>> There is no such thing. At least not on this planet. What planet are you on?
>>
>> I'm starting to think you're a nutter. "Christian death cult". Jeez!
>
> I used the term "death cult" because Petzl used it to describe all
> Muslims including Australian ones. If you or he wish to define "death
> cult" as it applies to Australian Muslims I will revise my use of
> "Christian death cult" if that is appropriate.
>

Okay, so Petzl is your benchmark. I get it, you wanna be like him.

You're an idiot.

dechucka

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"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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BS look at all the non permissable fish as an eg
http://www.al-islam.org/fasting-and-ramadhan-sheikh-mansour-leghaei/common-halal-and-non-halal-sea-foods

>
>>>For Moslems Haram (not
>>> prmisable) list is very small and Moslems already know what they are.
>>
>>but they don't know if halal food say like Salmon has been processed in a
>>Halal manner
>>
> Moslems never ate or eat salmon (it's haram no scales) at least in the
> 57 Moslem run countries I've been in during and between 60's and 70's

for fucks sake salmon has scales it is halal and acceptable to be eaten if
processed properly
http://www.al-islam.org/fasting-and-ramadhan-sheikh-mansour-leghaei/common-halal-and-non-halal-sea-foods

>
>>> If a Moslem has doubts a small prayer (one word actually) makes it
>>> Halal
>>
>>actually thy can't
>
> Arguing with the Koran now deadfucker

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snip

> I uderstand it you don't!
> The fordidin (Haram) list is prety small
> Prawns and shrimps are Halal?
> Not even fish

For your information on seafood halal or not
http://www.al-islam.org/fasting-and-ramadhan-sheikh-mansour-leghaei/common-halal-and-non-halal-sea-foods

For your information on how halal food must be processed
http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/y2770e/y2770e08.htm i.e. a halal food like
salmon can become 'non-halal' if transported or processed not in accordance
to the 'laws'. OK very strange IMHO but we could discuss ultra orthodox Jews
rinsing their mouth between eating cheese and meat or even leaving the room
and returning so they are not eaten together

Abominable Liar Party

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"Have a clue" means studying the Koran. No thanks!

No-one gives a fuck about the process & details of Halal certification
as it is found in 6th century beliefs and superstition, therefore I
couldn't care less about studying the Koran either.

What has transpired - and has been pointed out to you - is that Halal
certification of Salmon is *COMPLETELY* *UNNECESSARY* as Salmon are
"Fish with Scales". Likewise, Petzl has pointed out that praying over
the food is sufficient for any Muslim.

This means that the Halal certification process is *COMPLETELY*
*UNNECESSARY* and quite probably a scam.

It follows that it should get closer scrutiny.

But hey, if you want to support terrorism, go right ahead and provide
the funding. See if you can still sleep at night. Actually it should be
easy if you have no conscience.

Instead of counting sheep, count the missiles fired at Kindergartens,
like this: "Salmon 1, Salmon 2, Salmon 3". Now you can sleep.

>>
>>>> IN HADITH: “Eat any fish that has scales, and do not eat what does not
>>>> have scales.”
>>>> (Imam Baqir a.s) [al-Kolayni, al-Kaafi, vol.6 p. 219]
>>>>
>>
>> Salmon have scales. They do not need Halal certification. Halal
>> certification is a scam.
>
> Like Petzl, you believe that smoked salmon would be Halal or Kosher if
> it was processed with alcohol and smoked adjacent to oysters.

I don't give fuck *what* it is processed with, so long as the health
authorities and dietary experts agree that is is non-harmful to me.

If they use alcohol, that is probably a good thing because it will be
anti-bacterial - and bacteria like salmon too.

You OTOH seem to want to give credibility to a bunch of superstitious
freaks using a rule-book from the 6th century when the existence of
bacteria was seen as "The Devil's work" and the like.

Fine, but *don't* waste our time with your mumbo-jumbo, *don't* pollute
our food, *don't* be cruel to animal and *don't* add to the cost.

Other than that you can do yoga standing on your head if you wish, while
you bend over backward to accomodate these fruitcakes.

> I know
> nothing about Halal but I know a little about Kosher certification
> which is similar.

You know nothing about terror funding either.

> Smoked salmon would not be Kosher if it was smoked
> in the same smoke house as beef and vice versa. The rules are silly
> but they are far too complicated for you and Petzl to understand.
>

ROTFL!

You *or* Petzl, is presumably what you clumsily tried to say.

Abominable Liar Party

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On 12/03/2015 3:19 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Abominable Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 11/03/2015 8:39 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 23:47:56 +1100, Gordon Levi
>>>> <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Near every thing is already Halal (permisable). For Moslems Haram (not
>>>> prmisable) list is very small and Moslems already know what they are.
>>>
>>> How do they know if their smoked salmon has been processed with
>>> alcohol and or smoked adjacent to oysters? Hint: Oysters do _not_ have
>>> scales. Salmon does.
>>>> If a Moslem has doubts a small prayer (one word actually) makes it
>>>> Halal
>>>
>>> Why can't you do that to convert Halal certified food into food a
>>> Christian can eat?
>>
>> If the Halal money goes to Hamas, any decent person would choke on it.
>
> I repeat. Don't eat it! Hamas is a proscribed organisation and it is
> inconceivable that it is funded directly by the Islamic Council.

"Directly". "Inconceivable".

Listen to yourself!

It is *highly* likely that they fund the Muslim brotherhood. Switch on
your fucking brain and work it out from there!

> However, it is almost certain that an employee of the Islamic Council
> or one of the organisations the Council funds does donate to Hamas.

Now you're just making it up!

> There are lists of companies that pay for Halal certification and a
> decent person like you should not buy products from any of them.

No decent person should purchase Halal products *if* the money goes to
terrorism.

How do we know?

We don't. But they refise to supply audited accounts, so we *must*
*assume* that they do.

Are you a decent person or do you support terrorism or are you just thick?

> You
> should also be careful to avoid any shop or restaurant owned or
> staffed by Muslims.

Don't a moron. The whole point is to enjoy Indian, Pakistani, Lebanese,
Moroccan, Indonesia and Malaysian food without worrying about cruelty to
animals and where the money goes.

The same applies to Kosher food. I detest the way the animals are treated.

dechucka

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snip

> No-one gives a fuck about the process & details of Halal certification as
> it is found in 6th century beliefs and superstition, therefore I couldn't
> care less about studying the Koran either.

Nobody wants you to study the Koran but having ant basic knowledge of the
topic would help For your information on how halal food must be processed

http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/y2770e/y2770e08.htm i.e. a halal food like
salmon can become 'non-halal' if transported or processed not in accordance
to the 'laws'. OK very strange IMHO but we could discuss ultra orthodox Jews
rinsing their mouth between eating cheese and meat or even leaving the room

and returning so they are not eaten together

>
> What has transpired - and has been pointed out to you - is that Halal
> certification of Salmon is *COMPLETELY* *UNNECESSARY* as Salmon are "Fish
> with Scales". Likewise, Petzl has pointed out that praying over the food
> is sufficient for any Muslim.
>
> This means that the Halal certification process is *COMPLETELY*
> *UNNECESSARY* and quite probably a scam.

See above why you are completely and unnecessarily wrong

Petzl

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Mar 11, 2015, 8:29:50 PM3/11/15

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You are being deliberately off track.
No one has any problem with what disgusting shit Moslems eat.
The problem is CERTIFYING produce them demanding and expecting
Christians pay over 3% of that product price for this scam.

Which then curses that product by labeling it therefore making it
untouchable by others that have non-death cult beliefs
Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhist and Hindus are forbidden to touch
marked as Halal offerings.
Aside from funding Islamic terrorist like ISIS it also funds attacks
on nations like Israel, America, Australia and so on.
Exports marked "Halal Certified" to Moslem population are also not
bought by Moslems as they see it as "made by infidels"

You think I'm the only one that won't touch Halal Certified
Vegimites new ad
https://youtu.be/CenAnXq3FlE

Petzl

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Mar 11, 2015, 8:32:02 PM3/11/15

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On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 07:59:13 +1100, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>w?
>
>Just be nice if he knew salmon have scales and prawns and shrimps don't.
>Might be nice if he knew what he was talking about before he posted but you
>never do so I'm sure you'll support his ignorance

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Mar 11, 2015, 8:39:43 PM3/11/15

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"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 08:07:19 +1100, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>snip
>>
>>
>>> I uderstand it you don't!
>>> The fordidin (Haram) list is prety small
>>> Prawns and shrimps are Halal?
>>> Not even fish
>>
>>For your information on seafood halal or not
>>http://www.al-islam.org/fasting-and-ramadhan-sheikh-mansour-leghaei/common-halal-and-non-halal-sea-foods
>>
>>For your information on how halal food must be processed
>>http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/y2770e/y2770e08.htm i.e. a halal food like
>>salmon can become 'non-halal' if transported or processed not in
>>accordance
>>to the 'laws'. OK very strange IMHO but we could discuss ultra orthodox
>>Jews
>>rinsing their mouth between eating cheese and meat or even leaving the
>>room
>>and returning so they are not eaten together
>
> Again you are full of crap!
> Nowhere in the Koran does it state food must be certified

no it states it must be halal. The certification means that the person
buying it knows that it was killed and processed in the correct manner

> In fact it states the opposite!

Come on cite please

Gordon Levi

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Mar 11, 2015, 10:46:36 PM3/11/15

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So why pretend you know something about it?

>
>What has transpired - and has been pointed out to you - is that Halal
>certification of Salmon is *COMPLETELY* *UNNECESSARY* as Salmon are
>"Fish with Scales". Likewise, Petzl has pointed out that praying over
>the food is sufficient for any Muslim.
>
>This means that the Halal certification process is *COMPLETELY*
>*UNNECESSARY* and quite probably a scam.

You have just admitted you have NFI and you don't want to find out.
Stop pretending to know what the Halal certifiers do at Tassal.

>
>It follows that it should get closer scrutiny.
>
>But hey, if you want to support terrorism, go right ahead and provide
>the funding. See if you can still sleep at night. Actually it should be
>easy if you have no conscience.
>
>Instead of counting sheep, count the missiles fired at Kindergartens,
>like this: "Salmon 1, Salmon 2, Salmon 3". Now you can sleep.
>
>
>>>
>>>>> IN HADITH: “Eat any fish that has scales, and do not eat what does not
>>>>> have scales.”
>>>>> (Imam Baqir a.s) [al-Kolayni, al-Kaafi, vol.6 p. 219]
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Salmon have scales. They do not need Halal certification. Halal
>>> certification is a scam.
>>
>> Like Petzl, you believe that smoked salmon would be Halal or Kosher if
>> it was processed with alcohol and smoked adjacent to oysters.
>
>I don't give fuck *what* it is processed with, so long as the health
>authorities and dietary experts agree that is is non-harmful to me.
>
>If they use alcohol, that is probably a good thing because it will be
>anti-bacterial - and bacteria like salmon too.
>
>You OTOH seem to want to give credibility to a bunch of superstitious
>freaks using a rule-book from the 6th century when the existence of
>bacteria was seen as "The Devil's work" and the like.
>
>Fine, but *don't* waste our time with your mumbo-jumbo, *don't* pollute
>our food, *don't* be cruel to animal and *don't* add to the cost.

Unless you have shares in the company it is none of your business what
certification they choose to pay for.

>
>Other than that you can do yoga standing on your head if you wish, while
>you bend over backward to accomodate these fruitcakes.
>
>
>> I know
>> nothing about Halal but I know a little about Kosher certification
>> which is similar.
>
>You know nothing about terror funding either.
>
>> Smoked salmon would not be Kosher if it was smoked
>> in the same smoke house as beef and vice versa. The rules are silly
>> but they are far too complicated for you and Petzl to understand.
>>
>
>ROTFL!
>
>You *or* Petzl, is presumably what you clumsily tried to say.

Probably, but I'm happy to stick with "and". Even the sum of your
knowledge is zero.

Abominable Liar Party

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Pretend?

>>
>> What has transpired - and has been pointed out to you - is that Halal
>> certification of Salmon is *COMPLETELY* *UNNECESSARY* as Salmon are
>> "Fish with Scales". Likewise, Petzl has pointed out that praying over
>> the food is sufficient for any Muslim.
>>
>> This means that the Halal certification process is *COMPLETELY*
>> *UNNECESSARY* and quite probably a scam.
>
> You have just admitted you have NFI and you don't want to find out.
> Stop pretending to know what the Halal certifiers do at Tassal.

You are illogical and stupid.

It is *enough* to know that fish with scales do not need Halal
certification.

Here, I am quoting someone who *has* studied the Koran:
http://www.islamic-laws.com/fish.htm

"Eat any fish that has scales, and do not eat what does not have
scales." (Imam Baqir a.s) [al-Kolayni, al-Kaafi, vol.6 p. 219]

Idiot.

dechucka

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Mar 11, 2015, 11:36:30 PM3/11/15

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snip

>> So why pretend you know something about it?
>
> Pretend?

obviously, you can't actually believe you know something

>
>
>>>
>>> What has transpired - and has been pointed out to you - is that Halal
>>> certification of Salmon is *COMPLETELY* *UNNECESSARY* as Salmon are
>>> "Fish with Scales". Likewise, Petzl has pointed out that praying over
>>> the food is sufficient for any Muslim.
>>>
>>> This means that the Halal certification process is *COMPLETELY*
>>> *UNNECESSARY* and quite probably a scam.
>>
>> You have just admitted you have NFI and you don't want to find out.
>> Stop pretending to know what the Halal certifiers do at Tassal.
>
> You are illogical and stupid.
>
> It is *enough* to know that fish with scales do not need Halal
> certification.
>
> Here, I am quoting someone who *has* studied the Koran:
> http://www.islamic-laws.com/fish.htm
>
> "Eat any fish that has scales, and do not eat what does not have
> scales." (Imam Baqir a.s) [al-Kolayni, al-Kaafi, vol.6 p. 219]

The certification is for the PROCESSING of the salmon

Gordon Levi

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Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:57:22 +1100, Gordon Levi
><gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Salmon have scales. They do not need Halal certification. Halal
>>>certification is a scam.
>>
>>Like Petzl, you believe that smoked salmon would be Halal or Kosher if
>>it was processed with alcohol and smoked adjacent to oysters. I know
>>nothing about Halal but I know a little about Kosher certification
>>which is similar. Smoked salmon would not be Kosher if it was smoked
>>in the same smoke house as beef and vice versa. The rules are silly
>>but they are far too complicated for you and Petzl to understand.
>
>You are being deliberately off track.
>No one has any problem with what disgusting shit Moslems eat.
>The problem is CERTIFYING produce them demanding and expecting
>Christians pay over 3% of that product price for this scam.

Rubbish. The extra cost for most products is close to zero and may
make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
unit costs.

>
>Which then curses that product by labeling it therefore making it
>untouchable by others that have non-death cult beliefs
>Christians,

Learn to pray as effectively as you believe Muslims can. Then you will
be able to eat it.

> Jews, Sikhs, Buddhist and Hindus are forbidden to touch
>marked as Halal offerings.

Jews _choose_ Halal products in the absence of Kosher ones because the
requirements are similar. Once again you demonstrate you know nothing
about other religions.

Petzl

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Mar 12, 2015, 4:33:49 AM3/12/15

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On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:33:57 +1100, Gordon Levi

<gor...@address.invalid> wrote:

>Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:57:22 +1100, Gordon Levi
>><gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>Salmon have scales. They do not need Halal certification. Halal
>>>>certification is a scam.
>>>
>>>Like Petzl, you believe that smoked salmon would be Halal or Kosher if
>>>it was processed with alcohol and smoked adjacent to oysters. I know
>>>nothing about Halal but I know a little about Kosher certification
>>>which is similar. Smoked salmon would not be Kosher if it was smoked
>>>in the same smoke house as beef and vice versa. The rules are silly
>>>but they are far too complicated for you and Petzl to understand.
>>
>>You are being deliberately off track.
>>No one has any problem with what disgusting shit Moslems eat.
>>The problem is CERTIFYING produce them demanding and expecting
>>Christians pay over 3% of that product price for this scam.
>
>Rubbish. The extra cost for most products is close to zero and may
>make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
>unit costs.

The sketchy evidence is cost of Halal certification adds at least 3%
to household bills!

>>
>>Which then curses that product by labeling it therefore making it
>>untouchable by others that have non-death cult beliefs
>>Christians,
>
>Learn to pray as effectively as you believe Muslims can. Then you will
>be able to eat it.

Moslems won't touch Halal certified products as it is KNOWINGLY
touching product made by the infidel.
Moslems can only pray as can Christians where there is suspicion or
doubt
Halal Certification removes all doubt!

>> Jews, Sikhs, Buddhist and Hindus are forbidden to touch
>>marked as Halal offerings.
>
>Jews _choose_ Halal products in the absence of Kosher ones because the
>requirements are similar. Once again you demonstrate you know nothing
>about other religions.

Only in the case of barbaric "religious" (neither Islam or Judaism is
recognized as a religion in Australia) slaughter of animals (meat).
Not other product Halal Certification scam extends to other products,
than food

>>Aside from funding Islamic terrorist like ISIS it also funds attacks
>>on nations like Israel, America, Australia and so on.
>>Exports marked "Halal Certified" to Moslem population are also not
>>bought by Moslems as they see it as "made by infidels"
>>
>>You think I'm the only one that won't touch Halal Certified
Vegimites new ad

https://youtu.be/2NbBKxHtFQo
--
Petzl
The Christian belief and fact is Moslems are deceived.
Like Schizophrenics, they need therapy;
Not confirmation of their delusions.
The recognized place of worship in a Christian Nation is a Christian Church.
Mosques are the recognized place of worship only in Moslem countries
Australia's only legally defined God is our Christian God whose compound redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ
Something as simple as denying Moslems a place to pray is all it takes to make them leave voluntarily and peacefully.

Abominable Liar Party

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Mar 12, 2015, 7:06:12 AM3/12/15

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On 12/03/2015 3:33 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:57:22 +1100, Gordon Levi
>> <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Salmon have scales. They do not need Halal certification. Halal
>>>> certification is a scam.
>>>
>>> Like Petzl, you believe that smoked salmon would be Halal or Kosher if
>>> it was processed with alcohol and smoked adjacent to oysters. I know
>>> nothing about Halal but I know a little about Kosher certification
>>> which is similar. Smoked salmon would not be Kosher if it was smoked
>>> in the same smoke house as beef and vice versa. The rules are silly
>>> but they are far too complicated for you and Petzl to understand.
>>
>> You are being deliberately off track.
>> No one has any problem with what disgusting shit Moslems eat.
>> The problem is CERTIFYING produce them demanding and expecting
>> Christians pay over 3% of that product price for this scam.
>
> Rubbish. The extra cost for most products is close to zero

Rubbish. Where is your evidence?

How many times has it been stated that *disclosure* is the key have I
posted in *this* forum that the accounts need to be disclosed?

Now you are claiming to know the costs. Jeez, you are an idiot!

> and may
> make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
> unit costs.
>>
>> Which then curses that product by labeling it therefore making it
>> untouchable by others that have non-death cult beliefs
>> Christians,
>
> Learn to pray as effectively as you believe Muslims can. Then you will
> be able to eat it.
>> Jews, Sikhs, Buddhist and Hindus are forbidden to touch
>> marked as Halal offerings.
>
> Jews _choose_ Halal products in the absence of Kosher ones because the
> requirements are similar. Once again you demonstrate you know nothing
> about other religions.
>> Aside from funding Islamic terrorist like ISIS it also funds attacks
>> on nations like Israel, America, Australia and so on.
>> Exports marked "Halal Certified" to Moslem population are also not
>> bought by Moslems as they see it as "made by infidels"
>>
>> You think I'm the only one that won't touch Halal Certified
>> Vegimites new ad
>> https://youtu.be/CenAnXq3FlE

Gordon Levi

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Mar 12, 2015, 8:58:51 AM3/12/15

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Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:33:57 +1100, Gordon Levi
><gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:57:22 +1100, Gordon Levi
>>><gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>

>>>>Like Petzl, you believe that smoked salmon would be Halal or Kosher if
>>>>it was processed with alcohol and smoked adjacent to oysters. I know
>>>>nothing about Halal but I know a little about Kosher certification
>>>>which is similar. Smoked salmon would not be Kosher if it was smoked
>>>>in the same smoke house as beef and vice versa. The rules are silly
>>>>but they are far too complicated for you and Petzl to understand.
>>>
>>>You are being deliberately off track.
>>>No one has any problem with what disgusting shit Moslems eat.
>>>The problem is CERTIFYING produce them demanding and expecting
>>>Christians pay over 3% of that product price for this scam.
>>
>>Rubbish. The extra cost for most products is close to zero and may
>>make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
>>unit costs.
>
>The sketchy evidence is cost of Halal certification adds at least 3%
>to household bills!

The Australian Food and Grocery Council asserts that "The costs of
certification for major food and beverage manufacturers are negligible
in terms of the total manufacturing cost base"
<http://www.afgc.org.au/about-afgc/our-policies/halal-certification/>

This conflicts with you 3% figure. Can you provide some of your
"sketchy evidence" from a credible source. By a credible source I
mean, say, a newspaper or a Halal (or Kosher) certifier. Exclude any
anti-Muslim blogs.

Gordon Levi

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Mar 12, 2015, 9:50:02 AM3/12/15

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Abominable Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>On 12/03/2015 3:33 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:57:22 +1100, Gordon Levi
>>> <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Salmon have scales. They do not need Halal certification. Halal
>>>>> certification is a scam.
>>>>
>>>> Like Petzl, you believe that smoked salmon would be Halal or Kosher if
>>>> it was processed with alcohol and smoked adjacent to oysters. I know
>>>> nothing about Halal but I know a little about Kosher certification
>>>> which is similar. Smoked salmon would not be Kosher if it was smoked
>>>> in the same smoke house as beef and vice versa. The rules are silly
>>>> but they are far too complicated for you and Petzl to understand.
>>>
>>> You are being deliberately off track.
>>> No one has any problem with what disgusting shit Moslems eat.
>>> The problem is CERTIFYING produce them demanding and expecting
>>> Christians pay over 3% of that product price for this scam.
>>
>> Rubbish. The extra cost for most products is close to zero
>
>Rubbish. Where is your evidence?
>
>How many times has it been stated that *disclosure* is the key have I
>posted in *this* forum that the accounts need to be disclosed?
>
>Now you are claiming to know the costs. Jeez, you are an idiot!

I said it was negligible based on what I do know. The Australian Food

and Grocery Council asserts that "The costs of certification for major
food and beverage manufacturers are negligible in terms of the total
manufacturing cost base"
<http://www.afgc.org.au/about-afgc/our-policies/halal-certification/>

The AFIC site provides further evidence that the costs are
insignificant <http://muslimsaustralia.com.au/halal-accreditation-3/>.

>
>
>> and may
>> make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
>> unit costs.

[snip]

Abominable Liar Party

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Mar 12, 2015, 9:50:47 AM3/12/15

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On 12/03/2015 11:58 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:33:57 +1100, Gordon Levi
>> <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:

...

>>>
>>> Rubbish. The extra cost for most products is close to zero and may
>>> make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
>>> unit costs.
>>
>> The sketchy evidence is cost of Halal certification adds at least 3%
>> to household bills!
>
> The Australian Food and Grocery Council asserts that "The costs of
> certification for major food and beverage manufacturers are negligible
> in terms of the total manufacturing cost base"
> <http://www.afgc.org.au/about-afgc/our-policies/halal-certification/>

It could cost a lot more if it pays for a Kassam rocket:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/26106872809781142/

>
> This conflicts with you 3% figure. Can you provide some of your
> "sketchy evidence" from a credible source. By a credible source I
> mean, say, a newspaper or a Halal (or Kosher) certifier. Exclude any
> anti-Muslim blogs.
>

Abominable Liar Party

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On 12/03/2015 3:33 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:

> Rubbish. The extra cost for most products is close to zero and may
> make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
> unit costs.

"Meat processors say a large increase in the cost of certifying meat as
halal will jeopardise meat exports to Indonesia.
...
Trader with Sanger Meat Exports, Campbell Basnett, says the cost
increase of halal certifiers is upsetting processors who are rejecting
the higher charge.

'It's come at a bad time, you know, the industry is ready to go forward
and put a lot more meat into the Indonesian market, and it's no good
having these hurdles to jump through when processors still today aren't
geared up to send meat into Indonesia'".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-25/halal-certification-problems/4777794

Abominable Liar Party

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Mar 12, 2015, 10:06:29 AM3/12/15

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You are thicker than a 2x4.

>>
>>
>>> and may
>>> make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
>>> unit costs.
> [snip]
>

Gordon Levi

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Mar 12, 2015, 10:25:35 AM3/12/15

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Another example of Abusive Liar's talent for powerful, reasoned
argument.

Gordon Levi

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Mar 12, 2015, 10:38:09 AM3/12/15

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Abominable Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>On 12/03/2015 3:33 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>> Rubbish. The extra cost for most products is close to zero and may
>> make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
>> unit costs.
>
>"Meat processors say a large increase in the cost of certifying meat as
>halal will jeopardise meat exports to Indonesia.
> ...
>Trader with Sanger Meat Exports, Campbell Basnett, says the cost
>increase of halal certifiers is upsetting processors who are rejecting
>the higher charge.
>
>'It's come at a bad time, you know, the industry is ready to go forward
>and put a lot more meat into the Indonesian market, and it's no good
>having these hurdles to jump through when processors still today aren't
>geared up to send meat into Indonesia'".
>
>http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-25/halal-certification-problems/4777794

I would complain about a 300% increase too. Does it make the cost more
than negligible?

In any case, I was talking about processed food. Halal and,
particularly, Kosher certification of animal slaughter is an
abomination because of the way the animals are treated. If the costs
are prohibitive I will be cheering.

Abominable Liar Party

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Mar 12, 2015, 4:03:56 PM3/12/15

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It should go without saying.

The basis of any audit is credibility, and credibility dependend on an
independent assessment. Quoting AFIC as 'further evidence' of the
'insignificant cost' is just dumb.

Did anyone else need an explanation?

What is needed is an *independent* audit of the application of funds
raised by halal certification.

How many times does this need to be explained to you?

>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and may
>>>>> make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
>>>>> unit costs.
>>> [snip]
>>>

Abominable Liar Party

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Mar 12, 2015, 4:06:19 PM3/12/15

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On 13/03/2015 1:38 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Abominable Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 12/03/2015 3:33 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>> Rubbish. The extra cost for most products is close to zero and may
>>> make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
>>> unit costs.
>>
>> "Meat processors say a large increase in the cost of certifying meat as
>> halal will jeopardise meat exports to Indonesia.
>> ...
>> Trader with Sanger Meat Exports, Campbell Basnett, says the cost
>> increase of halal certifiers is upsetting processors who are rejecting
>> the higher charge.
>>
>> 'It's come at a bad time, you know, the industry is ready to go forward
>> and put a lot more meat into the Indonesian market, and it's no good
>> having these hurdles to jump through when processors still today aren't
>> geared up to send meat into Indonesia'".
>>
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-25/halal-certification-problems/4777794
>
> I would complain about a 300% increase too. Does it make the cost more
> than negligible?

THE COSTS ARE NOT DISCLOSED YOU MORON.

BUT IF THE COSTS "jeopardise meat exports to Indonesia" THEN THEY CANNOT
BE NEGLIGIBLE, CAN THEY?

>
> In any case, I was talking about processed food. Halal and,
> particularly, Kosher certification of animal slaughter is an
> abomination because of the way the animals are treated. If the costs
> are prohibitive I will be cheering.
>

BLAH BLAH BLAH.

DISCLOSURE IS REQUIRED.

Petzl

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Mar 12, 2015, 4:58:25 PM3/12/15

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On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 23:58:44 +1100, Gordon Levi

"Halal Choices" and "Pickering post" have found from various companies
that have confidentially released costing's and in all cases adds 3%
or more to consumer price and used to fund Islamic terrorism

Looked at web site just opinionated weasel worded untrue crap!

Australia is multiracial not multicultural.

Section 116 has also been weasel worded by directed "judges" to allow
any charlatan to run death cults, comic books, etc as a tax dodge by
claiming religious status. Fact is S116 was to stop Church of England
becoming the controlling religion, as plenty of colonists were Irish
and Catholic, Australia's Monarchy only legally defines our Christian
God, whose compound redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ!

Without this protection in our constitution Australian Colonists would
never of voted for Federation!

Doubtful weasel PC words by "our judiciary" falsely claim that any
charlatan can run a death cult, comic book, as a tax dodge religion.
Petzl
--
Australia's parliament needs to obey our Constitutions, the judiciary must apply the law!
Sir John Downer Kings Council, stated, when the Australian Constitution was finally adopted and on behalf of future generations,
‘Our Australian Commonwealth from its first stage will be a Christian Commonwealth’.

Petzl

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On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 00:50:40 +1100, Abominable Liar Party
<bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>On 12/03/2015 11:58 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>> Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:33:57 +1100, Gordon Levi
>>> <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>...
>>>>
>>>> Rubbish. The extra cost for most products is close to zero and may
>>>> make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
>>>> unit costs.
>>>
>>> The sketchy evidence is cost of Halal certification adds at least 3%
>>> to household bills!
>>
>> The Australian Food and Grocery Council asserts that "The costs of
>> certification for major food and beverage manufacturers are negligible
>> in terms of the total manufacturing cost base"
>> <http://www.afgc.org.au/about-afgc/our-policies/halal-certification/>
>
>It could cost a lot more if it pays for a Kassam rocket:
>https://www.pinterest.com/pin/26106872809781142/

Yes they are lunched by Hamas into Isreal
Hamas get funded by Australias branch of "HUMAN APPEAL INTERNATIONAL"
who in turn are funded by Halal Certification
http://pickeringpost.com/story/people-power-wins/4612

>> This conflicts with you 3% figure. Can you provide some of your
>> "sketchy evidence" from a credible source. By a credible source I
>> mean, say, a newspaper or a Halal (or Kosher) certifier. Exclude any
>> anti-Muslim blogs.
>>
--

Petzl
Moslems use our hospitals to get drugs to send back to base.
If you have a Jihad litter of 8 0r 10,
Australia will actually pay you enough so you can buy a house and car.
Here you can plan your attack on their filthy flesh to kill as many whores as you can.
Australia has all these dumb rules that stop them from arresting you until you are near your target
and this is only if they can track you.
Worst case scenerio if you get caught you will be in what they call jail,
for between 5 to 8 years if your operation was not carried out.
In this time you will have access to books and computers, prayer rooms, halal food,
maybe even a cell facing Mecca

Petzl

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On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 01:06:24 +1100, Abominable Liar Party

Halal Certifiers won't show their books not even to the ATO or ASIO?
Yet they fund terrorists, curse certified product raising costs for
Australian families.

>>>
>>>
>>>> and may
>>>> make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
>>>> unit costs.
>> [snip]
>>
--

Petzl

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Halal certification is not only for food.
There are 33 Halal Certifiers in Australia running this criminal
protection racket
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/restaurants-at-mercy-of-violent-extortionists-20121206-2ay74.html
http://bit.ly/1MwEmL6
--
Petzl
The Christian Democratic Party
http://www.cdp.org.au/what-is-cdp.html

It's not taught in school, but our Constitutional Monarchy places us under God - the Christian God, whose compound redemptive Name is Lord Jesus Christ.

Halal certified products unfit for Christian consuption
Cursed by God!
https://www.facebook.com/notes/boycott-halal-in-australia/halal-certified-list-in-categories-still-working-on/466200376862104
Some examples first and second of God's ten commandments,"1 COR 8"," "Acts 15:29",etc. First testament ("Exodus 20:4") has people breaking out in boils, first born dying, famine, pestilence and much more

dechucka

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Mar 12, 2015, 5:50:07 PM3/12/15

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"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:mg04ga1p067mlk5be...@4ax.com...

Have you only just realized that halal is not only about the type of food
but how it is prepared? All those posts and you are ignorant on the subject

Petzl

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On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 08:49:58 +1100, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Stop dribbling, only "Preparation" is the outdated 7th century horror
show Islam puts on in slaughtering God creatures.

The list of Haram food is very small and if a Moslem has doubts (may
contain pork or alcohol) he can make it instantly Halal by praying one
word over it.

I know a fair number of Moslems they tell me it's a un-Islamic fraud!
and because of the money to be found charlatans are popping up all
over the place. Certification is now being controlled by organized
crime gang.

--
Petzl
The Christian belief and fact is Moslems are deceived.
Like Schizophrenics, they need therapy;
Not confirmation of their delusions.
The recognized place of worship in a Christian Nation is a Christian Church.
Mosques are the recognized place of worship only in Moslem countries

Australia's only legally defined God is our Christian God whose compound redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ

dechucka

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Mar 12, 2015, 6:09:10 PM3/12/15

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"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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So it is basically BS what you are claiming

dechucka

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Mar 12, 2015, 6:09:52 PM3/12/15

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snip

are thicker than a 2x4.
>>
> Halal Certifiers won't show their books not even to the ATO

evidence of this please

dechucka

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Mar 12, 2015, 6:12:46 PM3/12/15

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"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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You are showing your total ignorance of the subject again

>
> The list of Haram food is very small and if a Moslem has doubts (may
> contain pork or alcohol) he can make it instantly Halal by praying one
> word over it.

why do you lie like this, do you think you are believed?

>
> I know a fair number of Moslems they tell me it's a un-Islamic fraud!
> and because of the money to be found charlatans are popping up all
> over the place. Certification is now being controlled by organized
> crime gang.

now you are just blatantly lying

Petzl

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On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 09:12:37 +1100, "dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com>

The only liar here is you
These resturants were burnt down because they first refused Halal
Certification

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/restaurants-at-mercy-of-violent-extortionists-20121206-2ay74.html
http://bit.ly/1MwEmL6
--
Petzl

Islam is of course synonymous with terrorism
There are more Australian Muslims fighting with al Qaeda linked
groups than there are in the Australian Defence Force fighting against them!
.
Major majority of the worlds refugees are created by Islam since the
days of Mohammad. Mainly because Islam is actually a violent political
process, not a religion at all.
Islamic conquests have always been by infiltration (Trojan Horse:
Al-Hijra, The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration). This is how Islam
grows, a violent political process using , terrorist attack from
within, eventually followed by surprise attack, followed by killing
for killings sake.
Once Moslems have foothold maintaining rule is held by continued
carnage and ruthlessness.
Until it's recognized Islam is the problem nothing will change!
How Islam began and still violently grows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

dechucka

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So frigging what. Yes a terrible criminal act that the perps deserve long
term gaol for but it has nothing to do with your total ignorance that Halal
involves the type of food plus its preparation. I'm not into the actual
rules of Halal but in Kosher kitchen for example you can't prepare meat and
dairy with the same implements, this may go to great extremes in ultra
orthodox kitchens

Abominable Liar Party

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Mar 12, 2015, 7:41:35 PM3/12/15

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On 12/03/2015 11:29 AM, Petzl wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 02:57:22 +1100, Gordon Levi
> <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Salmon have scales. They do not need Halal certification. Halal
>>> certification is a scam.
>>

>> Like Petzl, you believe that smoked salmon would be Halal or Kosher if
>> it was processed with alcohol and smoked adjacent to oysters. I know
>> nothing about Halal but I know a little about Kosher certification
>> which is similar. Smoked salmon would not be Kosher if it was smoked
>> in the same smoke house as beef and vice versa. The rules are silly
>> but they are far too complicated for you and Petzl to understand.
>
> You are being deliberately off track.
> No one has any problem with what disgusting shit Moslems eat.
> The problem is CERTIFYING produce them demanding and expecting
> Christians pay over 3% of that product price for this scam.
>

> Which then curses that product by labeling it therefore making it
> untouchable by others that have non-death cult beliefs

> Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhist and Hindus are forbidden to touch
> marked as Halal offerings.

Curses?

You're a nutter. A mark is just a mark. Any symbolic meaning comes from
*you*.

Where is your proof that "Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhist and Hindus
are forbidden to touch marked as Halal offerings"?

> Aside from funding Islamic terrorist like ISIS it also funds attacks
> on nations like Israel, America, Australia and so on.

You do everyone a disservice by lying, except the Islamists. Is that
your aim, to assist them?

> Exports marked "Halal Certified" to Moslem population are also not
> bought by Moslems as they see it as "made by infidels"
>
> You think I'm the only one that won't touch Halal Certified
> Vegimites new ad
> https://youtu.be/CenAnXq3FlE

> --
> Petzl
>
> Islam is of course synonymous with terrorism
> There are more Australian Muslims fighting with al Qaeda linked
> groups than there are in the Australian Defence Force fighting against them!
> .
> Major majority of the worlds refugees are created by Islam since the
> days of Mohammad. Mainly because Islam is actually a violent political
> process, not a religion at all.
> Islamic conquests have always been by infiltration (Trojan Horse:
> Al-Hijra, The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration). This is how Islam
> grows, a violent political process using , terrorist attack from
> within, eventually followed by surprise attack, followed by killing
> for killings sake.
> Once Moslems have foothold maintaining rule is held by continued
> carnage and ruthlessness.
> Until it's recognized Islam is the problem nothing will change!
> How Islam began and still violently grows
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw
>

Petzl

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On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 10:41:28 +1100, Abominable Liar Party
<bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>> You are being deliberately off track.
>> No one has any problem with what disgusting shit Moslems eat.
>> The problem is CERTIFYING produce them demanding and expecting
>> Christians pay over 3% of that product price for this scam.
>>
>> Which then curses that product by labeling it therefore making it
>> untouchable by others that have non-death cult beliefs
>> Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhist and Hindus are forbidden to touch
>> marked as Halal offerings.
>
>Curses?
>
>You're a nutter. A mark is just a mark. Any symbolic meaning comes from
>*you*.
>
>Where is your proof that "Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhist and Hindus
>are forbidden to touch marked as Halal offerings"?
>
>
>> Aside from funding Islamic terrorist like ISIS it also funds attacks
>> on nations like Israel, America, Australia and so on.
>
>You do everyone a disservice by lying, except the Islamists. Is that
>your aim, to assist them?

Cursed yes
Unknowingly touch products you are not cursed by God.

The difference is Hal al certification stamps the product cursed by
God Third and Fourth of God's Commandments for starters!
http://biblehub.com/niv/exodus/20.htm
3“You shall have no other gods beforea me.

4“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in
heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5You
shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God,
am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to
the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing
love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my
commandments.

It's coomon knowledge the Halal Certification scam funds Islamic
terrorists like ISISI!
The main source of ISIS funding is from USA HALAL certification
http://shoebat.com/2015/02/20/isis-leader-admits-funded-obama-administration/
Australia follows their masters
--
Petzl
A two-party system gives the voter only one more choice than North Korea.

In a democracy of course you always get a choice
Do you want to be governed by the red or by the blue?
it's entirely up to you!
Do you want to be patronized or condescended to, by liars or by crooks? You get to choose.
Would you prefer your fundamental values to be insulted or ignored by con-men or by charlatans?
In short do you want your influence to be zero or nil
and when would you like to be listened to, never or not at all, it's your choice
Do you want, some more choices.
take-it-or-leave-it
Now there's a real choice I'd be happy with any kind of representation wouldn't you
I would like to see a new government and part of me doesn't give a
damn who's in it as long as it doesn't include anybody from the Labor, Liberal or
Green party organizations that show themselves to be without shame or principle

All spineless and authoritarian both cowardly and war mongering at the same time
we have proportional voting in Australia USE IT

Put Labor, Liberal and Green party last on your Ballot choose your
independant or small parties first then donkey vote down to those last
on your ballot. Stops the majors getting OVER $2.50 a 1st preferance vote

Gordon Levi

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We were talking about the _cost_ of Halal certification. I based my
opinion on the publications of the two organisations that are most
likely to know. The Grocery Council whose members buy the
certification and AFIC which sells it. I hope that you have wandered
off into 'where-does-the-money-go land' because you have realised the
cost is negligible rather than because you have forgotten the topic.
[snip]

Gordon Levi

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Mar 13, 2015, 5:16:21 AM3/13/15

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I note the question mark. The answer is that they must show their
books to the ATO. By ASIO I assume you mean the appropriate law
enforcement authority. They can easily be forced to show their books
to the Australian Federal Police if the AFP has grounds to suspect
they fund a proscribed organisation.

>Yet they fund terrorists, curse certified product raising costs for
>Australian families.

This is superstition and it is sad that you believe in curses. I
believe I can rely on the AFP and the Grocery Council to protect me
from the forces of evil that seem to surround you.

[snip]

Gordon Levi

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Mar 13, 2015, 5:44:58 AM3/13/15

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Abominable Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>On 13/03/2015 1:38 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>> Abominable Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/03/2015 3:33 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>>> Rubbish. The extra cost for most products is close to zero and may
>>>> make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
>>>> unit costs.
>>>
>>> "Meat processors say a large increase in the cost of certifying meat as
>>> halal will jeopardise meat exports to Indonesia.
>>> ...
>>> Trader with Sanger Meat Exports, Campbell Basnett, says the cost
>>> increase of halal certifiers is upsetting processors who are rejecting
>>> the higher charge.
>>>
>>> 'It's come at a bad time, you know, the industry is ready to go forward
>>> and put a lot more meat into the Indonesian market, and it's no good
>>> having these hurdles to jump through when processors still today aren't
>>> geared up to send meat into Indonesia'".
>>>
>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-25/halal-certification-problems/4777794
>>
>> I would complain about a 300% increase too. Does it make the cost more
>> than negligible?
>
>THE COSTS ARE NOT DISCLOSED YOU MORON.

Why doesn't the exporter tell us the cost? Perhaps he thinks we will
think they are negligible. He seems to think they were acceptable
before the 300% increase.

>
>BUT IF THE COSTS "jeopardise meat exports to Indonesia" THEN THEY CANNOT
>BE NEGLIGIBLE, CAN THEY?

If I was exporting to Indonesia and faced a 300% increase in Halal
certification costs caused by Indonesians I would also claim they
"jeopardise meat exports to Indonesia".

Anyway, these costs are only about meat and only exports to Indonesia.
They do not contribute to a discussion about the cost of certifying
groceries and smoked salmon sold to Australian consumers.

[BLAH BLAH snipped]

Gordon Levi

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Mar 13, 2015, 11:35:14 AM3/13/15

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There is no mention of Halal certification in this article about
restaurant protection rackets. Do you think the Thai restaurant
mention in the article has any interest in Halal certification?

Petzl

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Mar 13, 2015, 9:43:23 PM3/13/15

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On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:59:53 +1100, Gordon Levi
<gor...@address.invalid> wrote:

>>>>> <http://www.afgc.org.au/about-afgc/our-policies/halal-certification/>
>>>>>
>>>>> The AFIC site provides further evidence that the costs are
>>>>> insignificant <http://muslimsaustralia.com.au/halal-accreditation-3/>.
>>>>
>>>> You are thicker than a 2x4.
>>>
>>> Another example of Abusive Liar's talent for powerful, reasoned
>>> argument.
>>
>>It should go without saying.
>>
>>The basis of any audit is credibility, and credibility dependend on an
>>independent assessment. Quoting AFIC as 'further evidence' of the
>>'insignificant cost' is just dumb.
>>
>>Did anyone else need an explanation?
>>
>>What is needed is an *independent* audit of the application of funds
>>raised by halal certification.
>>
>>How many times does this need to be explained to you?
>
>We were talking about the _cost_ of Halal certification. I based my
>opinion on the publications of the two organisations that are most
>likely to know. The Grocery Council whose members buy the
>certification and AFIC which sells it. I hope that you have wandered
>off into 'where-does-the-money-go land' because you have realised the
>cost is negligible rather than because you have forgotten the topic.
>[snip]

Nether mention cost on anything
Weasel words like "minimal" mean 49% or less
3% is a conservative reasoning by investigators of charges to
consumers
Of course as Halal Certification scam products then become cursed!
What price you have on ones soul!

Petzl

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Mar 13, 2015, 9:49:21 PM3/13/15

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On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 20:16:13 +1100, Gordon Levi

It's common knowledge and fact that Halal Certification funds
terrorists why do our government turn a blind eye to this fact!

>
>This is superstition and it is sad that you believe in curses. I
>believe I can rely on the AFP and the Grocery Council to protect me
>from the forces of evil that seem to surround you.
>
>[snip]

Australia IS a Christian Nation, where over 60% of it's population at
last census state they are compliant Christian!
Curses from Australia's only legally defined God (Lord Jesus Christ)
is taken serious not "superstition"

Petzl

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Mar 13, 2015, 10:09:46 PM3/13/15

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On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:35:08 +1100, Gordon Levi

So you are stupid enough to not see the truth!
Fact is the article DOES!
"using religious and ethnic divides"
What "religion" you think it is refering to!

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/restaurants-at-mercy-of-violent-extortionists-20121206-2ay74.html
http://bit.ly/1MwEmL6
All the resturants burnt down are now paying Halal Certifaction!
"ORGANISED criminals using religious and ethnic divides as a front are
extorting the restaurant-lined main streets of Bankstown; three
businesses were sprayed with bullets and another three torched over
the past two months."

Petzl

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Mar 13, 2015, 10:12:49 PM3/13/15

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On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:35:08 +1100, Gordon Levi

They do now
http://www.halalsquare.com.au/sydney/bankstown/cuisines/thai.aspx
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Petzl
For around 1,400 years Islam has produced the major majority of the worlds refugees!
Time to address the fact the problem is Islam.
Like Schizophrenics, they need therapy. Not confirmation of their delusions and as refugees made leave their delusions where they created them.
Fleeing from what they created!
The ONLY Nations mistakenly welcoming Moslems have a Christian history, not a Sharia history

Gordon Levi

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Mar 13, 2015, 10:55:10 PM3/13/15

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First you don't know which fish have scales, now you don't understand
the meaning of minimal
<http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/minimal>.

>3% is a conservative reasoning by investigators of charges to
>consumers

Perhaps it's time for you to stop struggling with this topic. You
don't understand it and you can't produce any evidence to back up your
"arguments".

Petzl

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Mar 13, 2015, 11:05:07 PM3/13/15

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On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:55:03 +1100, Gordon Levi

Why use Minimal instead of average percetage if not weasel words!

Can't scale a salmon the skin comes off when fried
But yes Salmon do have scales Atlantic salmon have large scales.
Schnapper have scales and can be scaled

><http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/minimal>.
>>3% is a conservative reasoning by investigators of charges to
>>consumers
>
>Perhaps it's time for you to stop struggling with this topic. You
>don't understand it and you can't produce any evidence to back up your
>"arguments".
>>Of course as Halal Certification scam products then become cursed!
>>What price you have on ones soul!

It's you blustering and twisting
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Petzl

John 8:44
44 You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him.
When he lies, he speaks his native language,
for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Abominable Liar Party

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Mar 14, 2015, 4:46:39 AM3/14/15

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AFIC is precisely the organisation which refuses to disclose or release
accounts, yet when they claim it is negligible, you believe them?

As I said,

>>>> You are thicker than a 2x4.

I take it that this was irony:

>>> Another example of Abusive Liar's talent for powerful, reasoned
>>> argument.

In fact, it is double-irony, because it happens to be spot on target!

> The Grocery Council whose members buy the
> certification and AFIC which sells it. I hope that you have wandered
> off into 'where-does-the-money-go land' because you have realised the
> cost is negligible rather than because you have forgotten the topic.
> [snip]
>

So now that your dumb mistake has dawned on you, you resort to snide
remarks.

You have forgotten that the issue is disclosure.

Do you ask the fox whether it has done minimal damage in the henhouse?

Abominable Liar Party

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Mar 14, 2015, 4:48:30 AM3/14/15

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"Minimal" to a religious fanatic could be anything from 3% to 99% or more!

> 3% is a conservative reasoning by investigators of charges to
> consumers
> Of course as Halal Certification scam products then become cursed!
> What price you have on ones soul!
>

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Abominable Liar Party

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Mar 14, 2015, 5:06:04 AM3/14/15

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Evidence of something that we are demanding evidence of?

Are you ready?

1. Kneel on the ground and face Mecca
2. Empty your head of all thoughts*
3. Pray for the following link to work
4. http://muslimsaustralia.com.au/about-us/#
(Click on 'AFIC Annual Reports')

Click on 'AFIC Annual Report

Abominable Liar Party

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Mar 14, 2015, 5:11:31 AM3/14/15

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You're an idiot.

Firstly, the grounds depend on the very data that they refuse to
disclose. Second, the funding is almost certainly indirect.

For *example*, if AFIC funds the Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim
Brotherhood funds Hamas, then AFIC has broken no law.

Did I mention that you're an idiot?

>> Yet they fund terrorists, curse certified product raising costs for
>> Australian families.
>
> This is superstition and it is sad that you believe in curses. I
> believe I can rely on the AFP and the Grocery Council to protect me
> from the forces of evil that seem to surround you.
>
> [snip]
>

Abominable Liar Party

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Mar 14, 2015, 5:17:34 AM3/14/15

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On 13/03/2015 8:44 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Abominable Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 13/03/2015 1:38 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>> Abominable Liar Party <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/03/2015 3:33 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>>>> Rubbish. The extra cost for most products is close to zero and may
>>>>> make the product cheaper by increasing sales and consequently reducing
>>>>> unit costs.
>>>>
>>>> "Meat processors say a large increase in the cost of certifying meat as
>>>> halal will jeopardise meat exports to Indonesia.
>>>> ...
>>>> Trader with Sanger Meat Exports, Campbell Basnett, says the cost
>>>> increase of halal certifiers is upsetting processors who are rejecting
>>>> the higher charge.
>>>>
>>>> 'It's come at a bad time, you know, the industry is ready to go forward
>>>> and put a lot more meat into the Indonesian market, and it's no good
>>>> having these hurdles to jump through when processors still today aren't
>>>> geared up to send meat into Indonesia'".
>>>>
>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-25/halal-certification-problems/4777794
>>>
>>> I would complain about a 300% increase too. Does it make the cost more
>>> than negligible?
>>
>> THE COSTS ARE NOT DISCLOSED YOU MORON.
>
> Why doesn't the exporter tell us the cost?

No, actually (in case you missed it the first time):

THE COSTS ARE NOT DISCLOSED YOU MORON

> Perhaps he thinks we will
> think they are negligible. He seems to think they were acceptable
> before the 300% increase.

No, all he says is that the costs are *now* unsustainable. Prior to the
change they could have been reasonable or they could have been gouging
him already.

So the bottom line is:

THE COSTS ARE NOT DISCLOSED YOU MORON

>>

>> BUT IF THE COSTS "jeopardise meat exports to Indonesia" THEN THEY CANNOT
>> BE NEGLIGIBLE, CAN THEY?
>
> If I was exporting to Indonesia and faced a 300% increase in Halal
> certification costs caused by Indonesians I would also claim they
> "jeopardise meat exports to Indonesia".
>
> Anyway, these costs are only about meat and only exports to Indonesia.
> They do not contribute to a discussion about the cost of certifying
> groceries and smoked salmon sold to Australian consumers.

Why would the cost of certifying for Indonesian Muslim consumers be
different to certifying for Australian Muslim consumers?

Why are you making excuses for people who
REFUSE TO DISCLOSE THE COSTS?

>
> [BLAH BLAH snipped]