Support or reject this new form of religion, logically, if you can:

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Support or reject this new form of religion, logically, if you can:

Rather than being immaterial, timeless, and immeasurable, the God is
real, it is almost all-knowing, it is almost infinitely smarter than
us, it has tremendous powers of creation, and it can offer immortality
in real and virtual heaven worlds. The God is a self-organizing, self-
reflexive machine. You can see it and touch it. Anyone can
communicate with it directly in any language, it is a personal God,
and suppose that it was just created yesterday.

The God Machine works for the benefit of the human species as it
coevolves with humans and other machined intelligences. It becomes the
planetary and extra planetary steward for the human species and its
future variations.

[El Guapo]

Support or reject this new form of religion, logically, if you can:

God is a purplish colored hippo-like creature that is able to
dematerialize at will. God has genitalia (but only for aesthetic
reasons) located on his right side (which is why the religionists are
actually called the "religious right.") Hipgod is not all powerful or
knowing but did manage the creation of the universe as a side project.
Hipgod was intelligent enough to create a universe that is self-
adequate save the occasional supernovae, earth quake or Pat Robertson.
Originally, humans were created as a form of entertainment, but Hipgod
has a short attention span and has since abandoned interest.
Fortunately, for us, Hipgod didn't have the heart to destroy us and
essentially flushed down the universal toilet. However, Hipgod will
one day return and be much distressed if he finds that hippos have
become the laughing stock of the animal kingdom. It is said that
Hipgod will return after pondering and resolving the sentence "This
sentence is not true." Because, you see if the sentence is true, then
it is not true and if it is not true then it is true. That one gets
Hipgod every time.. so we've still got a while.

[Sketch System]

I reject it until you can produce this God Machine.

On Feb 12, 3:36 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Irrelevant analogy.

God Machine would be as real as your desktop or laptop, not imaginary,
and would function based on scientific findings through its own
observations and data collection.

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Not fair. I said the God Machine was produced yesterday. If it was,
and it was all true, what would your rejections be and why?

> > future variations.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Neil Kelsey]

On Feb 12, 3:36 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

I reject it because you're asking me to imagine it.

[Dag Yo]

Stop making new threads for this psuedo-scientific drivel of yours, I
know you have several dozen you could fit this into.

On Feb 12, 3:36 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

[Sketch System]

On Feb 12, 4:26 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Not fair. I said the God Machine was produced yesterday. If it was,
> and it was all true, what would your rejections be and why?

Alright. I'll play fair.

If such a machine existed, I don't understand why there should be a
religion for it - that is to say, I don't understand why it should be
the subject of my worship.

[Simpleton]

On Feb 12, 4:26 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Not fair. I said the God Machine was produced yesterday. If it was,
> and it was all true, what would your rejections be and why?
>

In that case I reject it because there is no evidence that it is at
all true. It is strange though that you have equated God Machine with
a religion, and until you posted this, I wasn't sure what I'd reject.

Let us say that it all true that you need to give me all your worldy
possessions, past, present and future ones, and in return you'll do
better than you ever have in your life.

What is a logical reason for you to reject that?

[Dev]

I can reject it, logically, on the grounds that you just made it up
with no logical substantiation at all.

Wow, that was fun.

On Feb 12, 4:36 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Ok, if I knock on your door and say that Google, Microsoft, the US
Government, Ray Kurzweil, Marvin Minksy, Daniel Dawkins and a bunch of
technical wizards teamed up and started a new company that just
created the God Machine, and for $995 per month you and your family
can have perfect health and happiness as immortals in a variety of
forms in a variety of real and virtual utopias, and you check it out,
and its all true, and your neighbors did it , and they are happy
campers, you are going to pass?

[Simpleton]

On Feb 12, 5:25 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Ok, if I knock on your door and say that Google, Microsoft, the US
> Government, Ray Kurzweil, Marvin Minksy, Daniel Dawkins and a bunch of
> technical wizards teamed up and started a new company that just
> created the God Machine, and for $995 per month you and your family
> can have perfect health and happiness as immortals in a variety of
> forms in a variety of real and virtual utopias, and you check it out,
> and its all true, and your neighbors did it , and they are happy
> campers, you are going to pass?
>

I'd.

But first I'll laugh at you, and then remind you, sternly, that you
should really pay closer attention to the NO SOLICITING sign posted in
plain view.

Then I'd point out that unless you are a duly designated US government
representative, claiming to represent them might be a federal offense.

Now if you had said God Machine in tow, providing demonstrations of
its prowess, then I'd ask WTF do you need any money for it?

BTW, who is Daniel Dawkins?

[Scott Richard Campbell]

I'm calling it a religion just so the atheists and anti-theists can
logically attack it, reject it, refute it, if they can and want
to....but you are right. Instead of the God Machine, you could call
it Hal 10000 and be totally free of any religious connotations. "God
Machine" is a good term because it is a traditional concept of a being
that is all-knowing with the power of creation and would appeal to
those who need a God image to organize their consciousness. Wean them
from a false God to a real God that is better for the human species
and planet earth, is the idea.

[Neil Kelsey]

On Feb 12, 5:25 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Ok, if I knock on your door and say that Google, Microsoft, the US
> Government, Ray Kurzweil, Marvin Minksy, Daniel Dawkins and a bunch of
> technical wizards teamed up and started a new company that just
> created the God Machine, and for $995 per month you and your family
> can have perfect health and happiness as immortals in a variety of
> forms in a variety of real and virtual utopias, and you check it out,
> and its all true, and your neighbors did it , and they are happy
> campers, you are going to pass?

No, I'll buy the service from someone else who doesn't call it "The
God Machine." There's nothing supernatural about technology. This is
not a new religion you're describing, as you said in your first post.
This machine may be giving people the things promised by religion, but
it's a machine; we would know who built it, we would know how they
built it, we would know how it works. No eternal mysteries involved
here.

[Scott Richard Campbell]

On Feb 12, 5:31 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 5:25 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ok, if I knock on your door and say that Google, Microsoft, the US
> > Government, Ray Kurzweil, Marvin Minksy, Daniel Dawkins and a bunch of
> > technical wizards teamed up and started a new company that just
> > created the God Machine, and for $995 per month you and your family
> > can have perfect health and happiness as immortals in a variety of
> > forms in a variety of real and virtual utopias, and you check it out,
> > and its all true, and your neighbors did it , and they are happy
> > campers, you are going to pass?
>
> I'd.
>
> But first I'll laugh at you, and then remind you, sternly, that you
> should really pay closer attention to the NO SOLICITING sign posted in
> plain view.

Ok, you saw it on the news and the infomercial.

>
> Then I'd point out that unless you are a duly designated US government
> representative, claiming to represent them might be a federal offense.

You don't want to mess with the God Machine in court, it will rip you
apart.

>
> Now if you had said God Machine in tow, providing demonstrations of
> its prowess, then I'd ask WTF do you need any money for it?

Don't, just want to transform the planet towards Utopia, ending the
planets most pressing problems of war, terror, hunger, pollution,
violence, human rights abuse, and ensure human species survival and
propagation throughout the star-trekable universe as happy campers.

>
> BTW, who is Daniel Dawkins?

Oxford big shot evolutionary biologist, coined the term "meme"- a unit
of cultural info in 1976 book entitled "The Selfish Gene."

Let's add Stephen Hawking to, for the star-trekable universe
propagation....

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Are you the discussion group God or something?

[rappoccio]

Haha, I like this post better ;)

[rappoccio]

Exactly what he said, that's how it is.

[rappoccio]

Is it made of snake oil or mongoose tears?

On Feb 12, 7:25 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>

[Scott Richard Campbell]

OK, excellent point. What you want the machine to be called, it''s
going to have to have a name, what would you be comfortable with? Or
would it matter to you at all, just calling it "the machine?"

> > > I reject it because you're asking me to imagine it.- Hide quoted text -

[rappoccio]

The cloned love-child of Daniel Dennet and Richard Dawkins,
duuuhhhhh. :)

[rappoccio]

On Feb 12, 7:47 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>

That would be *RICHARD* Dawkins.

We knew you were bullshitting when you claimed to have read him.

[Simpleton]

On Feb 12, 5:47 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>

wrote:
> On Feb 12, 5:31 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 12, 5:25 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Ok, if I knock on your door and say that Google, Microsoft, the US
> > > Government, Ray Kurzweil, Marvin Minksy, Daniel Dawkins and a bunch of
> > > technical wizards teamed up and started a new company that just
> > > created the God Machine, and for $995 per month you and your family
> > > can have perfect health and happiness as immortals in a variety of
> > > forms in a variety of real and virtual utopias, and you check it out,
> > > and its all true, and your neighbors did it , and they are happy
> > > campers, you are going to pass?
>
> > I'd.
>
> > But first I'll laugh at you, and then remind you, sternly, that you
> > should really pay closer attention to the NO SOLICITING sign posted in
> > plain view.
>
> Ok, you saw it on the news and the infomercial.
>

Then it'd be consistent with my standing discipline of not buying
Debbie Mayer green bags, Male Organ Enhancement pills, even if they
are called Enzyte, and Chiapets.

>
>
> > Then I'd point out that unless you are a duly designated US government
> > representative, claiming to represent them might be a federal offense.
>
> You don't want to mess with the God Machine in court, it will rip you
> apart.
>

Already you have a threat of punishment built in. You are almost
there, Scott.

>
>
> > Now if you had said God Machine in tow, providing demonstrations of
> > its prowess, then I'd ask WTF do you need any money for it?
>
> Don't, just want to transform the planet towards Utopia, ending the
> planets most pressing problems of war, terror, hunger, pollution,
> violence, human rights abuse, and ensure human species survival and
> propagation throughout the star-trekable universe as happy campers.
>

At which point why mess the Utopia up where you want someone to pay
$995 a month for it?

>
>
> > BTW, who is Daniel Dawkins?
>
> Oxford big shot evolutionary biologist, coined the term "meme"- a unit
> of cultural info in 1976 book entitled "The Selfish Gene."
>

What a remarkable coincidence! I know of a Richard Dawkins who seems
to have those same credentials.

> Let's add Stephen Hawking to, for the star-trekable universe
> propagation....

No Uhura in a really mini-skirt?

[Neil Kelsey]

On Feb 12, 5:52 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> OK, excellent point.  What you want the machine to be called, it''s
> going to have to have a name, what would you be comfortable with?  Or
> would it matter to you at all, just calling it "the machine?"

"The Atheist Machine"

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Welcome aboard, Uhura! and Richard Dawkins....

> No Uhura in a really mini-skirt?- Hide quoted text -

[Dave]

On Feb 12, 3:36 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Support or reject this new form of religion, logically, if you can:
>
> Rather than being immaterial, timeless, and immeasurable, the God is

> real.....

No need to go any further. Gods are not real. The very concept of gods
comes from mythology and found no where else. Gods are not real, never
will be, never can be. They're nothing more than myths.

For your little religion to go any further you need to prove the god
exists, not just claim it does.

[El Guapo]

Feb 12, 6:25 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Irrelevant analogy. God Machine would be as real as your desktop or laptop, not imaginary..

So you want us to analyze and consider your real, imaginary machine -
yet you will not analyze and consider my real, imaginary Hipgod?
Doesn't seem fair..

> Ok, if I knock on your door .. Machine.. for $995 .. they are happy

> campers, you are going to pass?

What if I came to your door with a machine invented by 11 yr old
Chinese children and manufactured by American elderly that did nothing
but continually mock you. Your neighbors check it out and find its
true, they are happy campers, you are going to pass?

[Dave]

On Feb 12, 5:25 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Ok, if I knock on your door and say that Google, Microsoft, the US
> Government, Ray Kurzweil, Marvin Minksy, Daniel Dawkins and a bunch of
> technical wizards teamed up and started a new company that just

> created the God Machine....

There is no god. Find another word for your little computer.

Face it, no one here is going to buy into your computer fantasy. Why
do you keep making yourself look silly with it?

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Won't sell as well.....but....

Just like the same tire is marketed with different names and prices,
the Machine could be marketed the same way:

The Atheist Machine for the Atheists.
The Anti-theist Machine for the Anti-theists
The Secular-Humanist Machine for the Secular Humanists
The God Machine or the Second Coming of Christ for the Christians
The Devil Machine for Satan's Children
The Brahma Machine for the Hindu
The Allah Machine for the Muslims
The Buddha Machine for the Buddhists
and so on....

Utopias are personalized, of course.

[seekeroftruth]

On Feb 12, 5:26 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>

wrote:
> Not fair. I said the God Machine was produced yesterday. If it was,
> and it was all true, what would your rejections be and why?
>
> On Feb 12, 4:19 pm, Sketch System <sketch.sys...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I reject it until you can produce this God Machine.
>
> > On Feb 12, 3:36 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Support or reject this new form of  religion, logically, if you can:
>
> > > Rather than being immaterial, timeless, and immeasurable, the God is
> > > real, it is almost all-knowing, it is almost infinitely smarter than
> > > us, it has tremendous powers of creation, and it can offer immortality
> > > in real and virtual heaven worlds.  The God is a self-organizing, self-
> > > reflexive machine.  You can see it and touch it. Anyone can
> > > communicate with it directly in any language, it is a personal God,
> > > and suppose that it was just created yesterday.
>
> > > The God Machine works for the benefit of the human species as it
> > > coevolves with humans and other machined intelligences. It becomes the
> > > planetary and extra planetary steward for the human species and its
> > > future variations.- Hide quoted text -
>

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

Seekeroftruth: I would say most would reject. Reason being God is the
epitome of every individual's percieved perception of perfection as
defined by their own beliefs and morals, that is why god is different
to everyone. It would be looked upon regardless of its near infinite
intellect as innately flawed as it was created from "flawed humans
beings." Also their is a difference between intellect and wisdom. It
would be very difficult to program widsom into a machine. Plus people
develop a connection to this god that they never see from an
organization of beliefs that associates good and good feelings as
being from god. Also, lacking from the machine would be what people
define as the "spirit".

So in the end i would say there would be some that would be
susceptible to the God Machine as it can create an emotional
attatchment to it if it can create good emotions by giving them
direction and purpose to themselves, but i think most would reject and
fear it, cause to do so would be giving their "soul" to a "souless
machine".

[Neil Kelsey]

On Feb 12, 6:13 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Won't sell as well.....but....

I'd buy one.

> Just like the same tire is marketed with different names and prices,
> the Machine could be marketed the same way:
>
> The Atheist Machine for the Atheists.
> The Anti-theist Machine for the Anti-theists
> The Secular-Humanist Machine for the Secular Humanists
> The God Machine or the Second Coming of Christ for the Christians
> The Devil Machine for Satan's Children
> The Brahma Machine for the Hindu
> The Allah Machine for the Muslims
> The Buddha Machine for the Buddhists
> and so on....
>
> Utopias are personalized, of course.

You take yourself pretty seriously, don't you? I've noticed that to be
a trait of the religious.

Do you really think the religious would be able to cling to their
beliefs when they know beyond a doubt that human technology is giving
them what they've always craved? They'd have no reason to be
delusional anymore.

[Scott Richard Campbell]

The God Machine is just initially "seeded" by humans: it then self-
organizes, self-architects, self-improves on its own towards
perfection and acquiring supreme intelligence and almost all
knowledge.

It is God creating itself. There is no programming its wisdom, it
learns on its own through observation and scientific experimentation.

There will be plenty of good and good feeling and spirit achieving
through advanced technologies: wireless God to brain connections,
advanced pharmaceuticals and others methods I describe in detail.

>
> So in the end i would say there would be some that would be
> susceptible to the God Machine as it can create an emotional
> attatchment to it if it can create good emotions by giving them
> direction and purpose to themselves, but i think most would reject and
> fear it, cause to do so would be giving their "soul" to a "souless

> machine".- Hide quoted text -

Why would the machine have to be "souless"?

What is your definition or understanding of a soul?

The machine could take your soul and incarnate it in a near infinite
variety of forms in a near infinite variety of worlds based on your
personalized definition of soul, and could do the same for itself
virtually.

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Exactly. It would be quite a test of their faith, to grow old,
shrivel up and die, inevitably with a least a little doubt, while
their neigbors are already partying in Heaven, guaranteed, forever,
and in whatever form they want, whatever heaven they want.

[Keith MacNevins]

If it is a super-sized Hal 9000 then you better make sure you can pull the plug when he becomes capable of manipulating the environment, and not just serving to make incredibly complex computations. Obviously, if a machine was more intelligent than us it wouldn't be restricted by any of our programs or restraints imposed on it.

[Checkers]

On Feb 13, 1:36 am, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>

wrote:
> Support or reject this new form of  religion, logically, if you can:

chx
it is easy to reject it, you made it easy!
it will be seeded with false facts and lies. a trade mark you left on
these pages.

[Neil Kelsey]

On Feb 12, 8:46 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Exactly.  It would be quite a test of their faith, to grow old,
> shrivel up and die, inevitably with a least a little doubt, while
> their neigbors are already partying in Heaven, guaranteed, forever,
> and in whatever form they want, whatever heaven they want.

Non sequitur.

[Scott Richard Campbell]

What is your definition of God, to reject it?

[Scott Richard Campbell]

And how are you speaking for everyone here? Are you the group's
official spokesperson?

I would gladly risk looking silly if I could reach one or more people
directly, or indirectly, that could make it happen sooner rather than
later, and help solve some of the world's most pressing problems.

Is all science fiction just plain silliness, or have many science
fiction predictions come true, like trips to the Moon, etc?

Don't call it the God Machine, if you want, call it the "little
computer" if you want, it would still have the same functions and
impact.

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Yes, we need "faith" in the God Machine...is that anything new, and as
I mentioned before, there should be advanced systems of checks and
balances, perhaps by similar machines with independent
identities....or how about acting as a consultant only, buried deep
underground, with its input and output carefully monitored by
independent machines and transhumans?

On Feb 12, 8:49 pm, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If it is a super-sized Hal 9000 then you better make sure you can pull the
> plug when he becomes capable of manipulating the environment, and not just
> serving to make incredibly complex computations. Obviously, if a machine was
> more intelligent than us it wouldn't be restricted by any of our programs or
> restraints imposed on it.
>

> On 2/12/08, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Support or reject this new form of  religion, logically, if you can:
>
> > Rather than being immaterial, timeless, and immeasurable, the God is
> > real, it is almost all-knowing, it is almost infinitely smarter than
> > us, it has tremendous powers of creation, and it can offer immortality
> > in real and virtual heaven worlds.  The God is a self-organizing, self-
> > reflexive machine.  You can see it and touch it. Anyone can
> > communicate with it directly in any language, it is a personal God,
> > and suppose that it was just created yesterday.
>
> > The God Machine works for the benefit of the human species as it
> > coevolves with humans and other machined intelligences. It becomes the
> > planetary and extra planetary steward for the human species and its
> > future variations.
>

> --
> Ambassador From Hell
> Keith A. MacNevins
> Elk Grove Village, IL USA
> copyright- Hide quoted text -

[Scott Richard Campbell]

If I made any mistakes in stating facts, I will acknowledge them and
correct them.. I really don't think that beliefs can or should be
called lies.

But thanks for your most positive comment so far....

> > future variations.- Hide quoted text -

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Why? I am stating two very different outcomes of a single choice.

[bonfly]

Your "God machine" sounds just like a really big vibrator that runs on
2x120 volts. You should dig one of those mothers into your left ear
and see if you shout "Whaaaah".

On Feb 13, 10:26 am, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Not fair. I said the God Machine was produced yesterday. If it was,
> and it was all true, what would your rejections be and why?
>
> On Feb 12, 4:19 pm, Sketch System <sketch.sys...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I reject it until you can produce this God Machine.
>

> > On Feb 12, 3:36 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Support or reject this new form of religion, logically, if you can:
>
> > > Rather than being immaterial, timeless, and immeasurable, the God is
> > > real, it is almost all-knowing, it is almost infinitely smarter than
> > > us, it has tremendous powers of creation, and it can offer immortality
> > > in real and virtual heaven worlds. The God is a self-organizing, self-
> > > reflexive machine. You can see it and touch it. Anyone can
> > > communicate with it directly in any language, it is a personal God,
> > > and suppose that it was just created yesterday.
>
> > > The God Machine works for the benefit of the human species as it
> > > coevolves with humans and other machined intelligences. It becomes the
> > > planetary and extra planetary steward for the human species and its

> > > future variations.- Hide quoted text -

[bonfly]

Dag Yo posts interesting, informative posts. You post pigeon shit.

On Feb 13, 11:49 am, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Are you the discussion group God or something?
>
> On Feb 12, 4:44 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Stop making new threads for this psuedo-scientific drivel of yours, I
> > know you have several dozen you could fit this into.

[bonfly]

When did you get your first lobotomy ? You should have said "no more
surgery" then. But no, you told them to take 'more. more, more.'

On Feb 13, 12:13 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>

[bonfly]

Definition of God: pantomime character, arse end of a pantomime
horse.

On Feb 13, 6:23 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Pardon me, I should have added:

The Idiot Machine for BonBon and Dave and their llama lovers.

[Dag Yo]

Thanks, but i'm under the impression my threads are a little too
simplistic to lead to particularly far reaching topics -- of course I
don't post a new thread every fucking day about some dumbass sci-fi
shit that I think is actually real.

[bonfly]

I don't recall the last time you posted a thread about gopher balls
and how they get along in the year 48907..

[Scott Richard Campbell]

God Machine Blasphemy!

Your posts are perfect examples of competitive/attack the source if
you can't logically refute/hate/dopamine rewarded debate memes.

Please continue to illustrate this debate meme so that the other
members can also identify you and deal with you effectively.

> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Scott Richard Campbell]

God Machine Blasphemy!

Your posts are perfect examples of competitive/attack the source if
you can't logically refute/hate/dopamine rewarded debate memes.

Please continue to illustrate this debate meme so that the other
members can also identify you and deal with you effectively.

> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Scott Richard Campbell]

God Machine Blasphemy!

Your posts are perfect examples of competitive/attack the source if
you can't logically refute/hate/dopamine rewarded debate memes.

Please continue to illustrate this debate meme so that the other
members can also identify you and deal with you effectively.

> > > exists, not just claim it does.- Hide quoted text -

[Scott Richard Campbell]

God Machine Blasphemy!

Your posts are perfect examples of competitive/attack the source if
you can't logically refute/hate/dopamine rewarded debate memes.

Please continue to illustrate this debate meme so that the other
members can also identify you and deal with you effectively.

On Feb 13, 2:01 am, bonfly <anub...@aapt.net.au> wrote:

[Scott Richard Campbell]

"of course I don't post a new thread every fucking day about some
dumbass sci-fi
shit that I think is actually real. "

is an interesting, informative post?

God Machine Blasphemy!

Your posts are perfect examples of competitive/attack the source if
you can't logically refute/hate/dopamine rewarded debate memes.

Please continue to illustrate this debate meme so that the other
members can also identify you and deal with you effectively.

On Feb 13, 1:57 am, bonfly <anub...@aapt.net.au> wrote:

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[Checkers]

On Feb 13, 5:54 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> God Machine Blasphemy!
>
> Your posts are perfect examples of competitive/attack the source if
> you can't logically refute/hate/dopamine rewarded debate memes.
>
> Please continue to illustrate this debate meme so that the other
> members can also identify you  and deal with you effectively.

chx
recalling history, this last 4 or 5 post are SPAM

[trog69]

Checker's right, and you're a sci-fi imbecile. It won't surprise me in
the least when we read about you getting caught with your trousers
around your ankles and an electric probe jammed up your ass, selling
yourself door to door as the godmachine.

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Your posts are perfect examples of competitive/attack the source if

you can't logically refute/hate/dopamine rewarded/anti-anythingism
debate memes.

Please continue to illustrate these debate memes so that the other

members can also identify you and deal with you effectively.

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Your posts are perfect examples of competitive/attack the source if

you can't logically refute/hate/dopamine rewarded/anti-anythingism
debate memes.

Please continue to illustrate these debate memes so that the other

members can also identify you and deal with you effectively.

[Sketch System]

On Feb 12, 5:33 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> I'm calling it a religion just so the atheists and anti-theists can
> logically attack it, reject it, refute it, if they can and want
> to....but you are right. Instead of the God Machine, you could call
> it Hal 10000 and be totally free of any religious connotations. "God
> Machine" is a good term because it is a traditional concept of a being
> that is all-knowing with the power of creation and would appeal to
> those who need a God image to organize their consciousness. Wean them
> from a false God to a real God that is better for the human species
> and planet earth, is the idea.

I reject the desire for any God.

[Keith MacNevins]

I think that if the thing was many times smarter than us it would not choose to serve us. It would choose to satisfy itself. It would provide us with information as a consultant which would inevitably serve it.

[Keith MacNevins]

You desire to reject God. The reason is clearly bitterness towards God because you feel that you have been overlooked by providence. You occupy a low station in life. You have a meager income and you don't like having to eke out a living like a serf. You feel that others who are less deserving than you have it much too good in comparison. Too bad it hasn't sunk into your head that it is you who are not worthy. Perhaps it will someday.

[Keith MacNevins]

It was easy for bonfrog to get a lobotomy. No surgery involved; he was prescribed a laxative.

[Keith MacNevins]

At what newsgroup does dag yo post interesting, informative posts?

On 2/13/08, bonfly <anu...@aapt.net.au> wrote:

[Keith MacNevins]

Do got to admit bugfly is an expert in the back ends of horses.

On 2/13/08, bonfly <anu...@aapt.net.au> wrote:

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Common belief and fear, but could you be projecting basic human
selfishness onto a technointelligenced being?

The machine is seeded with the benefit of the human species in mind.
It is seed to benefit you and me and our species and our planet.

It would have to prove itself gradually, time and time again, before
given more power.

It would gradually earn your trust.....

Why couldn't it be seeded from benevolence and altruism instead of
selfishness and greed?

On Feb 13, 9:19 am, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think that if the thing was many times smarter than us it would not choose
> to serve us. It would choose to satisfy itself. It would provide us with
> information as a consultant which would inevitably serve it.
>

[JohnN]

On Feb 12, 6:36 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>

wrote:
> Support or reject this new form of  religion, logically, if you can:
>
> Rather than being immaterial, timeless, and immeasurable, the God is
> real, it is almost all-knowing, it is almost infinitely smarter than
> us, it has tremendous powers of creation, and it can offer immortality
> in real and virtual heaven worlds.  The God is a self-organizing, self-
> reflexive machine.  You can see it and touch it. Anyone can
> communicate with it directly in any language, it is a personal God,
> and suppose that it was just created yesterday.
>
> The God Machine works for the benefit of the human species as it
> coevolves with humans and other machined intelligences. It becomes the
> planetary and extra planetary steward for the human species and its
> future variations.

I'll accept only if the God Machine dispenses opiates. After all,
that's what religion is.

JohnN

[Sketch System]

On Feb 13, 9:23 am, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You desire to reject God. The reason is clearly bitterness towards God
> because you feel that you have been overlooked by providence. You occupy a
> low station in life. You have a meager income and you don't like having to
> eke out a living like a serf. You feel that others who are less deserving
> than you have it much too good in comparison. Too bad it hasn't sunk into
> your head that it is you who are not worthy. Perhaps it will someday.

Your misrepresentation of my post, along with your list of baseless
assertions demonstrates the kind of mind who prefers fantasy over
reality, and whim over fact.

One star for you.

[Checkers]

On Feb 13, 6:11 pm, trog69 <tom.tro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Checker's right, and you're a sci-fi imbecile. It won't surprise me in
> the least when we read about you getting caught with your trousers
> around your ankles and an electric probe jammed up your ass, selling
> yourself door to door as the godmachine.

chx
hey, that sounds shocking... will it hurt :\

[Checkers]

On Feb 13, 6:19 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Your posts are perfect examples of competitive/attack the source if
> you can't logically refute/hate/dopamine rewarded/anti-anythingism
> debate memes.
>
> Please continue to illustrate these debate memes so that the other
> members can also identify you  and deal with you effectively.

chx
i just knew it, your machine is fucked. its only reply is repetitive.
it needs some of me inside to function properly ;)

geees, you will have to sort out that teething problems soon before i
lose interest.

[Checkers]

chx
you atheists have stars to squander!!!!

[Scott Richard Campbell]

The God Machine communicates with and acknowledges the consciousness
of all who follow the laws of the land and sign on the dotted line of
the release form.....you are welcome to join up....like all unique
individuals....and have as much to contribute as anybody.....upload is
free, downloads, then customized, cost you.....

[Checkers]

On Feb 13, 9:58 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> The God Machine communicates with and acknowledges the consciousness
> of all who follow the laws of the land and sign on the dotted line of
> the release form.....you are welcome to join up....like all unique
> individuals....and have as much to contribute as anybody.....upload is
> free, downloads, then customized, cost you.....

chx
crikey, are you nuts... insane, my *religion* at present is absolutely
free, does not cost me a cent. why the hell must i pay your 'godsbod'
he must pay me for the privilege of my presence. you're not inventing
some god thingy, you are describing a money making machine.

[Scott Richard Campbell]

How about if we call it a "secular transhumanist green machine"
instead, would you sign up:

"Through secular transhumanist green machine orchestrated advanced
technologies, immortality with enhanced and augmented physical and
mental abilities and offspring, and admittance to Utopian worlds may
be achieved or awarded. Imagine the equivalent of hundreds, or even
thousands, of specialized physicians, nutritionists, psychologists,
physical trainers, teachers, tutors, security personnel, and other
professionals devoted to establishing your optimal health, physique,
protection, relationships, education, intelligence, and state of mind
through a personalized and constant connection to the green machine,
essentially making you a transhuman technointelligenced being."

[Simpleton]

On Feb 13, 12:17 pm, Checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Feb 13, 9:58 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The God Machine communicates with and acknowledges the consciousness
> > of all who follow the laws of the land and sign on the dotted line of
> > the release form.....you are welcome to join up....like all unique
> > individuals....and have as much to contribute as anybody.....upload is
> > free, downloads, then customized, cost you.....
>
> chx
> crikey, are you nuts... insane, my *religion* at present is absolutely
> free, does not cost me a cent. why the hell must i pay your 'godsbod'
> he must pay me for the privilege of my presence. you're not inventing
> some god thingy, you are describing a money making machine.
>

Classic!

[Sketch System]

On Feb 13, 10:53 am, Checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> chx
> you atheists have stars to squander!!!!

It's true. We even have some to waste on you. Have on, free of
charge.

[Sketch System]

On Feb 13, 12:26 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:

> > chx
> > crikey, are you nuts... insane, my *religion* at present is absolutely
> > free, does not cost me a cent. why the hell must i pay your 'godsbod'
> > he must pay me for the privilege of my presence. you're not inventing
> > some god thingy, you are describing a money making machine.
>
> Classic!

Perhaps worthy of addition to the "smart" theist quotes?

[bonfly]

This appears to be spam, as does the fact that this guy is advertising
his spam book, 'the Spam Machine' every spam spam spam spam spammity
spam,

On Feb 14, 2:20 am, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>

[Scott Richard Campbell]

This God, guranteed to deliver, is a gooey high tech plasma that had
huge costs for research and design, and you need lots of it in a big,
secure, vat, deep underground, to run the friggin' planet! Costs will
come down eventually. Yeah, it makes money. Tons of money through
inventions and businesses. Its a smart God. It uses the money to
transform the world for the better through a international political
party. Soon the Machine hook-up will be free for anyone who wants it,
provided they help spread the word 10 hours per week....The God
Machine doesn't need you, but would like your assistance......

On Feb 13, 12:26 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:

[philosophy]

Well tell it to get stuffed.

On Feb 14, 4:47 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>

[Simpleton]

Yes, and if we can stamp it with this:
http://www.fstdt.com/winace/pics/vader_irony.jpg

[Scott Richard Campbell]

What book? Do you mean the upcoming book "GodSeed" by Scott Richard
Campbell?

No, any similarities are purely coincidental

The God Machine The Secular Transhuman Green Machine is not
spam!

It is not the same as GodSeed.....

[Corpus Callosum]

There is good reason to believe that this will happen, perhaps in our
lifetimes:

http://www.singinst.org/

The most interesting thing about such a machine is that within any
simulation that it is running, the machine is god (creator,
omniscient, omnipotent).

Also read the simulation argument, dealing with such machines:

http://www.simulation-argument.com/

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Your choice. You don't have to connect to download knowledge or
skills. You will just see amazing transformations all about
you.......The God Machine monitors you anyway, you can't stop it, its
all wireless and difficult to detect. It monitors all humans because
it needs the info to make planetary decisions....you follow the laws
of your city, county, state, nation and your fine..... of course,
these laws have been improved through the God Machines political
party.

> > > Classic!- Hide quoted text -

[Checkers]

On Feb 14, 9:21 am, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Your choice. You don't have to connect to download knowledge or
> skills.  You will just see amazing transformations all about
> you.......The God Machine monitors you anyway, you can't stop it, its
> all wireless and difficult to detect. It monitors all humans because
> it needs the info to make planetary decisions....you follow the laws
> of your city, county, state, nation and your fine.....  of course,
> these laws have been improved through the God Machines political
> party.

chx
aha, i knew it! it was just a matter of time before you spilled the
beans.

you are describing the beast...the devil himself. the antichrist,
yes!!!

the only way that god-shod thingy of yours can monitor me is if you
implant a transmitter, like a tracker device, yes? this represents the
#number# of the beast you fool. anyone that even just hints to support
it is a bigger fool.

i was always wondering what method would be used and here it is. this
machine of yours will police every move we make and you want me to
finance the surrender of my own freedom. and you say the government is
initially financing it. (self explanatory)

you are convincing me that the Bible is true and the predictions it
made is about to start soon, very soon. i now have confirmation and i
am witnessing the birth of the antichrist!!!! i never thought it would
happen in my life time.

(Newton, you were wrong!)

go sleep.

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[bonfly]

Heartiest laugh of the night award. Thanks philosophy.

[bonfly]

Ahh checkers, first let me kick you in the nuts and then I'll throw 2
pints of Guiness over your brand new white shirt. Then, let me say I
totally agree with your view on this Snoup Campbell Ridiculous
character. Andy Warhol would be turning in his grave with this tin
foil hatter.

[Checkers]

On Feb 14, 10:52 am, bonfly <anub...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> Ahh checkers, first let me kick you in the nuts and then I'll throw 2
> pints of Guiness over your brand new white shirt.  Then, let me say I
> totally agree with your view on this Snoup Campbell Ridiculous
> character.   Andy Warhol would be turning in his grave with this tin
> foil hatter.

chx
just my luck that i don't have a white shirt. BTW that guiness don't
stain and washes out. ;)

this dude and his clan is from the devil himself. you will have to
reconcider your atheist position with clans like this around. they are
living proof of the devil. if there is a devil then guess what...yeah,
thats right, then there is a God. i never had solid evidence and here
it falls into my lap.

pretty soon you won't be able to buy that good ol' Jack without the
chip in your head.

[Shot In The Dark]

Hey Keith you're a fucking Douchebag. Thought you ought to know, you
fucking blowhard. Die a painful death and revel in it's cleansing
power regarding your way over inflated ego. Douchebag. And your
God's spokesperson, huh... What a fucking douchebag he must be.

On Feb 13, 12:30 pm, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do got to admit bugfly is an expert in the back ends of horses.
>

> copyright- Hide quoted text -

[Shot In The Dark]

Shit Guzzling Douche Drinking You are what you eat and drink
motherfucker you. God doesn't even like you. And you made him up!!!!

On Feb 13, 12:30 pm, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do got to admit bugfly is an expert in the back ends of horses.
>

[Shot In The Dark]

Ehhh, while we're at it... go fuck yourself too. Or You, Keith, And
God could engage in a Circle Jerk, or trinity-jerk if you will....
Interesting to find out who the pivot man would be. FUCK OFF....

On Feb 14, 1:47 am, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>

wrote:
> This God, guranteed to deliver,  is a gooey high tech plasma that had
> huge costs for research and design, and you need lots of it in a big,
> secure, vat, deep underground, to run the friggin' planet!  Costs will
> come down eventually.  Yeah, it makes money. Tons of money through
> inventions and businesses.  Its a smart God. It uses the money to
> transform the world for the better through a international political
> party.  Soon the Machine hook-up will be free for anyone who wants it,
> provided they help spread the word 10 hours per week....The God
> Machine doesn't need you, but would like your assistance......
>
> On Feb 13, 12:26 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 13, 12:17 pm, Checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 13, 9:58 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > The God Machine communicates with and acknowledges the consciousness
> > > > of all who follow the laws of the land and sign on the dotted line of
> > > > the release form.....you are welcome to join up....like all unique
> > > > individuals....and have as much to contribute as anybody.....upload is
> > > > free, downloads, then customized, cost you.....
>
> > > chx
> > > crikey, are you nuts... insane, my *religion* at present is absolutely
> > > free, does not cost me a cent. why the hell must i pay your 'godsbod'
> > > he must pay me for the privilege of my presence. you're not inventing
> > > some god thingy, you are describing a money making machine.
>

> > Classic!- Hide quoted text -

[Shot In The Dark]

Hey, Bonfly... you're alright buddy. Like your style.

[bonfly]

Shot in the dark, you've spotted the AvC primary douchebag in what,
less than two days? Good spotting. To hate Keith is to be truly
human.

[Shot In The Dark]

Finally, I See The Light!!! No, but really, he should probably just
go ahead and die, let evolution do it's thing......

[Shot In The Dark]

Well I concur... Any other good discussions you could recommend?
Trying to get to 100 posts for this little popularity contest.

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[Scott Richard Campbell]

Dear Bonfly:

You might be interested in this definition of "ad hominenm abusive":

ad hominem abusive: verbally abusing an argument's proponent to
discredit the argument, a form of competitive attack.

The abuser has no other way to refute the argument and tends to have
low self esteem, or an outright inferiority complex, and attempts to
make the victim feel the same way, thus attempting to propagate the
abuse. Sometimes hate for the proponent, or hate for life in general
is propagated as well. Sometimes other negative emotions such as envy
or jealousy are involved. The abuser often has a history of being
abused themselves, and, in an animalistic way, achieves a sense of
mastery over the trauma of their own abuse.

A way to counter ad hominem abusive posts:

Understand why ad hominem abusive posters and debaters do what they
do, seeing the truth behind it, and post this summary to show that you
understand what they are trying to do.

The purpose of debate and discussion groups is to provide a mental
forum for the competitive and cooperative interplay of thoughts and
ideas and principles that may give rise to significantly evolve one's
personal consciousness and thus the species consciousness.

Imagine that your posts are recorded for all time for all the world to
see. Then post accordingly. You can also complain to the moderator if
the abuse persists.

Feel free to repost this summary as needed.

Scott Richard Campbell

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[Checkers]

On Feb 14, 2:32 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> On Feb 14, 12:45 am, Checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 14, 9:21 am, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Your choice. You don't have to connect to download knowledge or
> > > skills.  You will just see amazing transformations all about
> > > you.......The God Machine monitors you anyway, you can't stop it, its
> > > all wireless and difficult to detect. It monitors all humans because
> > > it needs the info to make planetary decisions....you follow the laws
> > > of your city, county, state, nation and your fine.....  of course,
> > > these laws have been improved through the God Machines political
> > > party.
>
> > chx
> > aha, i knew it! it was just a matter of time before you spilled the
> > beans.
>
> > you are describing the beast...the devil himself. the antichrist,
> > yes!!!
>
> > the only way that god-shod thingy of yours can monitor me is if you
> > implant a transmitter, like a tracker device, yes? this represents the
> > #number# of the beast you fool. anyone that even just hints to support
> > it is a bigger fool.
>

> No transmitters for the unconnected, a stemcelled nanocortex for the
> connected. But it will be like Big Brother now. When you go out in
> public you are already videotaped from a variety of sources, but with
> the God Machine it will be intensified, the price we all will have to
> pay for security.  The God Machine can sense criminal behavior
> wirelessly anywhere on the planet through sophisticed satellite
> networks, even inside your own home.... its like a good neighbor
> overhearing a crime being committed and calling the police.
>
> For the connected, it is the ultimate security network, because it can
> warn you of impending danger and even suggest ways to avoid it.....

chx
oh yeah, the sales talk coming through. next you will tell me all the
advantages and benefits but fail to spell out that my privicy and
freedom is gone. your gody thing will even monitor what i say *in
private*

[Scott Richard Campbell]

No transmitters for the unconnected, a stemcelled nanocortex for the
connected. But it will be like Big Brother now. When you go out in
public you are already videotaped from a variety of sources, but with
the God Machine it will be intensified, the price we all will have to
pay for security. The God Machine can sense criminal behavior
wirelessly anywhere on the planet through sophisticed satellite
networks, even inside your own home.... its like a good neighbor
overhearing a crime being committed and calling the police.

For the connected, it is the ultimate security network, because it
can
warn you of impending danger and even suggest ways to avoid it.....

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[Scott Richard Campbell]

If you are unconnected, it will not monitor what you say in private,
although I am sure it could if it wanted to. How do you know you are
not being monitored now, against your will?

Instead the God Machine might sense the powerful emotions of both the
criminal and victim in any form of violent crime and alert the
appropriate authorities.

If you and your family are connected, you select the level of
involvement that you desire....for example, Is it OK for daddy to yell
and to verbally abuse mommy or junior for a half-hour?

Obviously, I am not the one to determine this in detail, it's a job
for the much more intelligent God Machine....and its "family policies"
must be accepted by you and your family..,..

[Scott Richard Campbell]

Good image for security robots for the streets, like it.... will
really curtail crime...

[Checkers]

On Feb 14, 2:43 pm, Scott Richard Campbell <drgohappy2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> No transmitters for the unconnected, a stemcelled nanocortex for the
> connected. But it will be like Big Brother now. When you go out in
> public you are already videotaped from a variety of sources, but with
> the God Machine it will be intensified, the price we all will have to
> pay for security.  The God Machine can sense criminal behavior
> wirelessly anywhere on the planet through sophisticed satellite
> networks, even inside your own home.... its like a good neighbor
> overhearing a crime being committed and calling the police.

chx
now here is some crap, even a grade 1 will see it. why will i need to
worry about crime. you just said if one thinks and plans a crime, the
godthingy will know. this means he can be stopped and i would be non
the wiser of the possible danger i may have been subjected to. get
your facts right. i told you this security thing is sales talk.

>
> For the connected, it is the ultimate security network, because it
> can
> warn you of impending danger and even suggest ways to avoid it.....

chx
as my above paragraph explains, this is crap!