Also hat Gott: Jesus Christ has provided salvation! :)

[Brock]

Hi friends,

Often, I find a dramatic contrast between an atheist's arrogant,
abrasive and harsh characterization of Christian witness, with what is
instead a contrasting gentle, simple, beautiful and elegant Christian
testimony. Here is one example of that beautiful and tender sharing
of the most wonderful news for sinners:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fScwzH23sQo

What is the message? The translation is beautiful:

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

http://bible.cc/john/3-16.htm

May you receive the beautiful message of God's kindness and wonderful
love,

Brock

[Bob T.]

On Sep 20, 10:14 am, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi friends,
>
> Often, I find a dramatic contrast between an atheist's arrogant,
> abrasive and harsh characterization of Christian witness, with what is
> instead a contrasting gentle, simple, beautiful and elegant Christian
> testimony.  Here is one example of that beautiful and tender sharing
> of the most wonderful news for sinners:

On the other hand, I find it refreshing how rational atheists are,
compared to the delusions that many Christians are subject to. One
famous Christian has actually drawn cartoons depicting the Antichrist
taking over the Vatican. Can you imagine? What do you think about
such a thing, Brock - do you believe it has been prophesized, or is
Jack Chick mistaken?

- Bob T

[dali_70]

On Sep 20, 1:22 pm, "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:

> On the other hand, I find it refreshing how rational atheists are,
> compared to the delusions that many Christians are subject to.  One
> famous Christian has actually drawn cartoons depicting the Antichrist
> taking over the Vatican.  Can you imagine?  What do you think about
> such a thing, Brock - do you believe it has been prophesized, or is
> Jack Chick mistaken?

Brock doesn't actually read those tracts, he just looks at the
pictures. Until all the pages are stuck together.

[Neil Kelsey]

On Sep 20, 10:14 am, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> Often, I find a dramatic contrast between an atheist's arrogant,
> abrasive and harsh characterization of Christian witness, with what is
> instead a contrasting gentle, simple, beautiful and elegant Christian
> testimony.

I always find that fucking testimonials are not Jesus sucking on a
doggy dicking valid evidence that Christians have witnessed anything.

> Here is one example of that beautiful and tender sharing
> of the most wonderful news for sinners:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fScwzH23sQo
>
> What is the message?  The translation is beautiful:
>
> "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
> whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

Unspupported fucking assertions set to music are still unsupported
fucking delusions.

> http://bible.cc/john/3-16.htm
>
> May you receive the beautiful message of God's kindness and wonderful
> love,

May you abandon your religious delusions and embrace atheism.

[Gokudomatic]

will you also say that not everything can be explained?

[Bob T.]

On Sep 20, 12:44 pm, Gokudomatic <gourry.gabr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> will you also say that not everything can be explained?

A goddam question is not a fucking objection.

- Brock T

> > Brock- Hide quoted text -
>
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[Answer_42]

On Sep 20, 1:14 pm, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi friends,

Still sublimely delusional, I see...

What a fucking moron...
________________________________________
It is much safer to obey than to rule.
-- Thomas à Kempis

[Gokudomatic]

get lost, will you?

[Trance Gemini]

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Brock <brock...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi friends,

Often, I find a dramatic contrast between an atheist's arrogant,
abrasive and harsh characterization of Christian witness, with what is
instead a contrasting gentle, simple, beautiful and elegant Christian
testimony.

You mean "gentle, simple beautiful and elegant Christian testimony" like this Brock?

http://groups.google.com/group/atheism-vs-christianity/browse_frm/thread/6f446fe203e71ed4?hl=en&tvc=1&q=madalyn
 
"The struggle for a free intelligence has always been a struggle between the ironic and the literal mind." — Christopher Hitchens

--
"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." --Thomas Paine
"The struggle for a free intelligence has always been a struggle between the ironic and the literal mind." — Christopher Hitchens
 

[Deidzoeb]

You know what's arrogant, when someone pushes their beliefs on you and
doesn't really have a good reason to think they know more than you.
After a person hears enough of that and experiences the receiving end
of prejudice and discrimination for their beliefs long enough, some of
them become abrasive and harsh when talking about the subject. Who
could blame them?

On Sep 20, 1:14 pm, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> Often, I find a dramatic contrast between an atheist's arrogant,
> abrasive and harsh characterization of Christian witness, with what is
> instead a contrasting gentle, simple, beautiful and elegant Christian
> testimony.  Here is one example of that beautiful and tender sharing
> of the most wonderful news for sinners:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fScwzH23sQo
>
> What is the message?  The translation is beautiful:
>
> "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
> whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

For God so loved the world that he designed it with sin and pain and
suffering and evil, and established hoops for people to jump through
to avoid eternal suffering that would be their punishment by default.
This series of hoops is known as "salvation". What a guy!

[Walt]

On Sep 20, 1:14 pm, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi friends,

I''m glad you have no hard feelings that we couldn't get together
enough money to get you that pony.

>
> Often, I find a dramatic contrast between an atheist's arrogant,
> abrasive and harsh characterization of Christian witness, with what is
> instead a contrasting gentle, simple, beautiful and elegant Christian
> testimony.  Here is one example of that beautiful and tender sharing
> of the most wonderful news for sinners:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fScwzH23sQo
>
> What is the message?  The translation is beautiful:
>
> "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
> whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
>
> http://bible.cc/john/3-16.htm

The Parable of the Lawn Mower may help everyone to understand Brock's
religious beliefs a little better.

Neighbor: Hey God, can I borrow your lawn mower?
God: Sorry, but it's not that simple.
N: How do you mean?
(God gets his dog Jesus and a cattle prod. Begins shocking the dog
over and over with the cattle prod, with dog yelping loudly.)
N: God, what the fuck, man.
G: I'm doing it because I love you.
N: My wife's not mad anymore that Jesus sniffed her crotch.
G: No, it's not about that, I'm doing it just to prove I love you.
You know how much I love this dog.
N: OK, stop, that's enough.
G: I'll decide when you know my love is proven.
N: It's animal cruelty God, don't make me call the cops on you.
(Jesus stops yelping and lies motionless.)
G: Now my love is proven.
N: You know the county has mental health counselors for people who
can't afford one on their own.
(Jesus opens his eyes and staggers to his feet.)
N: Oh man, that's a relief.
G: Are you not overjoyed that Jesus lives!
N: I'd be more overjoyed if you'd never done that shit in the first
place. I really hate to bug you, obviously you've got some shit going
on, but my grass is getting really high, can I please use your mower?
G: Do you accept Jesus as your lawn savior?
N: No, you can't let him start crapping on my lawn again, I don't
believe that shit about how it's just fertilizer.
G: I said I'd never let him again, you can never let that go, can
you? I just want you to accept him as your lawn savior.
N: God, we been friends for years, you know I'd do anything for you.
But I really don't think I'd be helping you by encouraging these weird
ideas your getting into.
(God rolls out large industrial drum from garage.)
N: What's that?
G: It's 100 gallons of round-up. I'm going to pour it all over your
lawn if you don't say Jesus is your lawn savior.
N: OK already! Jesus is my lawn savior!
G: OK now you can use the lawn mower. Do you see how much I really
love you?
N: Yes God. Oh, I forgot to tell you, we found out my wife has
hepatitis, so you shouldn't go near her for your own safety.

[Neil Kelsey]

On Sep 20, 1:47 pm, Gokudomatic <gourry.gabr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> get lost, will you?

Looks like you missed the thread in which some of us decided to
satirize Brock's complaints about "abrasive atheist language" by using
*really* abrasive language in response to his posts. Bob, I'm sure,
wasn't cussin' at you; no need to take offence.

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Bob T.]

On Sep 20, 3:52 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_m_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 20, 1:47 pm, Gokudomatic <gourry.gabr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > get lost, will you?
>
> Looks like you missed the thread in which some of us decided to
> satirize Brock's complaints about "abrasive atheist language" by using
> *really* abrasive language in response to his posts. Bob, I'm sure,
> wasn't cussin' at you; no need to take offence.

You are correct, of course - I was mocking Brock. I find it a bit
suprising that a regular poster would not recognize the "a question is
not an objection" phrase, even if it's somewhat fucking altered.

- Bob T

[e_space]

lol ... boy, does he have your numbers or what? hahahaha

[Max]

Brock.....they're singers. They are singing. They're singing
beautifully. They are singing in a church that has wonderful
acoustics. I like the sound myself. Why...because I like the sound of
their singing.

Here's another song I like that was sung in a church.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98I85ceICRM

And what does this all mean.

I like music & singing.

It doesn't mean that I stop thinking or that the bible somehow gains
meaning, relevance or accuracy any more than if Mr Obama sung 'A boy
stood on the burning deck' that would be enough for me to start
shooting heroin up my arm.

Brocky, you really are getting worse. Try listening to the relaxed and
entirely non abrasive Richard Dawkins at your leisire too.

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of
Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe; forward into battle
see his banners go!

Ahhhhh......god war.......beauty!!

[Mystic Merman]

I like this one better. It seems to be closer to the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq6ulGCounc&feature=related

[Simon Ewins]

On Sep 21, 1:14 am, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
> whoever believes in Him

will believe anything.

A truth to which you stand as a remarkable proof.

:::0:9582db4b0536d1086fb3de6f18454853:7d0::::

[Gokudomatic]

I see. I didn't know that.
But in that case wouldn't it be more coherent that you use your
abrasive language directly on brock instead of those who answer to
him?

[Bob T.]

On Sep 20, 10:26 pm, Gokudomatic <gourry.gabr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I see. I didn't know that.
> But in that case wouldn't it be more coherent that you use your
> abrasive language directly on brock instead of those who answer to him?

Mostly I do.

- Bob T

[ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com]

On Sep 20, 1:14 pm, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> Often, I find a dramatic contrast between an atheist's arrogant,
> abrasive and harsh characterization of Christian witness, with what is
> instead a contrasting gentle, simple, beautiful and elegant Christian
> testimony.  Here is one example of that beautiful and tender sharing
> of the most wonderful news for sinners:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fScwzH23sQo
>
> What is the message?  The translation is beautiful:

Can't those who don't believe this message be believers in Jesus? If
not, why not? Why would one have believe the message of someone other
than Jesus in order to believe in Jesus?

> "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
> whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

The good Samaritan shall perish* but the one** who robbed the traveler
shall have eternal life?
* if he didn't believe in Jesus
** if he believed in Jesus before he died

> http://bible.cc/john/3-16.htm
>
> May you receive the beautiful message of God's kindness and wonderful
> love,

Does Jesus agree with this message? If so, how do you know he does?
Which of these three groups (of 1st century people) were those who
believed in Jesus?
1) those who received a sermon from Jesus and believed what he said to
them
2) those who received an epistle from Paul and believed what he wrote
to them
3) those who had never heard of Jesus, such as the 1st century
ancestors of today's Eskimos

[Trance Gemini]

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Mystic Merman <mystic...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I like this one better.  It seems to be closer to the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq6ulGCounc&feature=related

Thanks MM! I haven't heard that one before.

[William T. Goat]

On Sep 20, 1:14 pm, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> Often, I find a dramatic contrast between an atheist's arrogant,
> abrasive and harsh characterization of Christian witness, with what is
> instead a contrasting gentle, simple, beautiful and elegant Christian
> testimony. Here is one example of that beautiful and tender sharing
> of the most wonderful news for sinners:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fScwzH23sQo

There are many different kinds of Christians, who deliver their
testimony in different ways. The fact that some Christians use beauty
to get the message across, necessitates an explanation for the
ugliness of the rest.

> What is the message?  The translation is beautiful:
>
> "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
> whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
>
> http://bible.cc/john/3-16.htm

But it would be dishonest to ignore the ugliness shortly thereafter:

"but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not
believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

http://bible.cc/john/3-18.htm

One would have expected that a God who loved "the world" would save
"the world," not just the believers. It's a shame God's love is too
limited for that.

"For God so loved M&Ms, that He only eats the green ones."

--Billy

[Brock Organ]

dali_70! :)

Regards,

Brock

[Brock Organ]

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Neil Kelsey <neil_m...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> What is the message?  The translation is beautiful:
>>
>> "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
>> whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
>
> Unspupported fucking assertions set to music are still unsupported
> fucking delusions.

Evidence available here:

http://bible.cc

Regards,

Brock

[Brock Organ]

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Gokudomatic <gourry....@gmail.com> wrote:
> will you also say that not everything can be explained?

I'm not sure what you are specifically referring to here, can you
clarify what you are asking?

Regards,

Brock

[Brock Organ]

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:26 AM, ranjit_...@yahoo.com
<ranjit_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 20, 1:14 pm, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi friends,
>>
>> Often, I find a dramatic contrast between an atheist's arrogant,
>> abrasive and harsh characterization of Christian witness, with what is
>> instead a contrasting gentle, simple, beautiful and elegant Christian
>> testimony.  Here is one example of that beautiful and tender sharing
>> of the most wonderful news for sinners:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fScwzH23sQo
>>
>> What is the message?  The translation is beautiful:
>
> Can't those who don't believe this message be believers in Jesus? If
> not, why not? Why would one have believe the message of someone other
> than Jesus in order to believe in Jesus?

Sorry, ranjit, I don't understand what you are specifically asking here.

>> "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
>> whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
>
> The good Samaritan shall perish* but the one** who robbed the traveler
> shall have eternal life?
> * if he didn't believe in Jesus
> **  if he believed in Jesus before he died

A question is not an objection.

>> http://bible.cc/john/3-16.htm
>>
>> May you receive the beautiful message of God's kindness and wonderful
>> love,
>
> Does Jesus agree with this message? If so, how do you know he does?

http://bible.cc

> Which of these three groups (of 1st century people) were those who
> believed in Jesus?
> 1) those who received a sermon from Jesus and believed what he said to
> them
> 2) those who received an epistle from Paul and believed what he wrote
> to them
> 3) those who had never heard of Jesus, such as the 1st century
> ancestors of today's Eskimos

Not sure why you articulated those specific groups, which specific
principle are you interested in?

Regards,

Brock

[Bob T.]

On Sep 21, 6:48 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Gokudomatic <gourry.gabr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > will you also say that not everything can be explained?
>
> I'm not sure what you are specifically referring to here, can you
> clarify what you are asking?

He's asking whether you agree with Jack Chick that the Papacy will
soon be controlled by the Antichrist.

- Bob T

>
> Regards,
>
> Brock

[Brock Organ]

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Brock <brock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi friends,
>>
>> Often, I find a dramatic contrast between an atheist's arrogant,
>> abrasive and harsh characterization of Christian witness, with what is
>> instead a contrasting gentle, simple, beautiful and elegant Christian
>> testimony.
>
> You mean "gentle, simple beautiful and elegant Christian testimony" like
> this Brock?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/atheism-vs-christianity/browse_frm/thread/6f446fe203e71ed4?hl=en&tvc=1&q=madalyn

Nope, I meant gentle, simple, beautiful and elegant Christian
testimony like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fScwzH23sQo

Regards,

Brock

[Bob T.]

On Sep 21, 6:58 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Hi friends,
>
> >> Often, I find a dramatic contrast between an atheist's arrogant,
> >> abrasive and harsh characterization of Christian witness, with what is
> >> instead a contrasting gentle, simple, beautiful and elegant Christian
> >> testimony.
>
> > You mean "gentle, simple beautiful and elegant Christian testimony" like
> > this Brock?
>

> >http://groups.google.com/group/atheism-vs-christianity/browse_frm/thr...

>
> Nope, I meant gentle, simple, beautiful and elegant Christian
> testimony like this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fScwzH23sQo

I speak a little German... I think they're singing "Oh Lord, how can
anyone be so stupid as to believe that the Papacy will soon be
controlled by the Antichrist? Surely those who spread such dangerous
nonsense will spend eternity burning in Hell. La la la."

- Bob T

>
> Regards,

[Brock Organ]

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:47 AM, William T. Goat <eric...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Sep 20, 1:14 pm, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi friends,
>>
>> Often, I find a dramatic contrast between an atheist's arrogant,
>> abrasive and harsh characterization of Christian witness, with what is
>> instead a contrasting gentle, simple, beautiful and elegant Christian
>> testimony. Here is one example of that beautiful and tender sharing
>> of the most wonderful news for sinners:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fScwzH23sQo
>
> There are many different kinds of Christians, who deliver their
> testimony in different ways. The fact that some Christians use beauty
> to get the message across, necessitates an explanation for the
> ugliness of the rest.

I consider contrastingly that the beauty is not the delivery of the
message, but the message itself:

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

http://bible.cc/john/3-16.htm

>> What is the message?  The translation is beautiful:
>>
>> "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
>> whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
>>
>> http://bible.cc/john/3-16.htm
>
> But it would be dishonest to ignore the ugliness shortly thereafter:
>
> "but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not
> believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
>
> http://bible.cc/john/3-18.htm
>
> One would have expected that a God who loved "the world" would save
> "the world," not just the believers. It's a shame God's love is too
> limited for that.

No reason to blame God for humankind's sinful rebellion against His
wonderful salvation:

"Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and
opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he
with Me."

http://bible.cc/revelation/3-20.htm

Regards,

Brock

[Neil Kelsey]

On Sep 21, 6:47 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Neil Kelsey <neil_m_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> What is the message?  The translation is beautiful:
>
> >> "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
> >> whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
>
> > Unspupported fucking assertions set to music are still unsupported
> > fucking delusions.
>
> Evidence available here:
>
> http://bible.cc

Links to unspupported fucking assertions are still unsupported fucking
delusions.