Storage location

[M F]

Having a real strange problem after uninstalling and re-installing Avare. The storage folder used to be in Android/data/com.ds.avare and I was able to move it to my sd-card. I was having problems downing the game tfrs so that was the reason for uninstalling and re-installing. I've now downloaded the database with no errors. I cannot find the folder this is going to now. Apparently it's in the restricted folders of Android and using the precious internal storage. When going in to preferences to change the location, none of options let me select them.  It always reports it cannot write to that location.  I've checked the app permissions and storage is allowed. So okay, I go make a folder both on my internal and external list with My Files tool. Now using the Avare "up" key within the preferences storage location, the directory list keeps moving up but it doesn't show any of the same folders I see with the Android My Files nav tool. I know there has been many talks that Android and Samsung have their own naming scheme but I was able to navigate to them within Avare with my very first install of Avare (an older version of Avare). Wondering if there is an issue with the current version and only discovered this because I reinstalled the app. Not something anyone would notice unless it was a new install and changing the location. Also the Tracks folder is umm somewhere hidden that I cannot get those files. Ideas anyone? I've reinstalled twice now to recheck my steps.

Thanks Mac

[Jeffrey Ross]

the game TFRs have been removed from the downloads.

See this link: https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/apps4av-forum/e83dd602-abaa-43ce-9b78-507386b9ac97n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer

which will forward to this link:

https://groups.google.com/g/apps4av-forum/c/A33BoKzdKhg/m/MJaZna2uAQAJ

On 12/18/20 12:19 PM, M F wrote:

Having a real strange problem after uninstalling and re-installing Avare. The storage folder used to be in Android/data/com.ds.avare and I was able to move it to my sd-card. I was having problems downing the game tfrs so that was the reason for uninstalling and re-installing. I've now downloaded the database with no errors. I cannot find the folder this is going to now. Apparently it's in the restricted folders of Android and using the precious internal storage. When going in to preferences to change the location, none of options let me select them.  It always reports it cannot write to that location.  I've checked the app permissions and storage is allowed. So okay, I go make a folder both on my internal and external list with My Files tool. Now using the Avare "up" key within the preferences storage location, the directory list keeps moving up but it doesn't show any of the same folders I see with the Android My Files nav tool. I know there has been many talks that Android and Samsung have their own naming scheme but I was able to navigate to them within Avare with my very first install of Avare (an older version of Avare). Wondering if there is an issue with the current version and only discovered this because I reinstalled the app. Not something anyone would notice unless it was a new install and changing the location. Also the Tracks folder is umm somewhere hidden that I cannot get those files. Ideas anyone? I've reinstalled twice now to recheck my steps.

Thanks Mac

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[M F]

Correct. Game tfr no longer an issue. 

Now working on finding where the chart and track data is being stored and moving it to my sd-card.

[t v]

Hi.

You Must install the Avare in your SDcard initially if you want it  there, assuming you can do that depending on your OS... you cannot jut Move it.

See some instructions on this site on how you may be able to accomplish that. TV

[M F]

Thanks for the feedback. I get that the app is stored in the app folders.  I am working on the storage location for the chart data as specified in the Avare preferences - storage and downloads - charts storage folder.

Since reinstalling Avare I have over a gig of storage tied up on my internal storage now and didn't before. I also would like my tracks files back. 

[t v]

Hi.

Look for your tracks where you had them before you last install, they should not be affected by the new install it unless you deleted them yourself.

About your storage read my previous message and find an install procedure that may work for you to install directly to your SDcard.

Avare cannot control your storage other than what and where you tell it to install. TV

[M F]

My old Tracks folder is there with old kml files. All my new flights since the reinstall are not there. Tracks is on and exit settings are set for all applications. 

The part that seems to be having issues is in the chart storage location.  The folders listed there are not seen within the My Files app. And I cannot change the location to my sd-card even though I see it listed when I keep pressing up to get to the root level. 

I have to even play around with Avare to even get to that path. Wish I could show you live. 

[t v]

Hi.

Trust me I fully know and I understand, you do not have to show it to me live I've seen hundreds of times and for a while we found a way to work with / around it. It is a limitation of the Android OS / G that will not let you see some of the files, regardless of who stores them there, unless you direct your installation to either Internal Storage, Not the default location, which is not what you want from what you are writing or External SDcard.

If you want it to be stored on the External / SDcard you have to try / follow some of the procedures that you can find doing a Search here, to reinstall, or post your OS, Make/Model of the device and what Avare version... and one of us may be able to help.

This has been an ongoing problem with the OS / G and just getting worse and very dependent of many combinations as stated above.  most users now just accept the fact that they will dedicate one device to just Flight / Avare...  and for around $70.00 for the device and the free app you are still ahead of what you'd be paying for the other apps. / devices. TV

[M F]

This is on an Samsung S9 running Android 10.

The first install of Avare months ago, there was a folder path of /Android/data/com.ds.avare. There were many files in there plus the tracks folder. Since the uninstalll and reinstall the com.ds.avare folder is not there.  I've done a search on both internal and external. I've also searched for tracks and was not found. These folders have to be somewhere because Avare runs. 

I don't know where Avare or Android has placed these folders and files but something has changed with the install location since this summer. 

The folder paths seen in Avare-chart location show different paths when clicking the 3 options.  You have to even click them in different order to sometimes get a path to display. And the path displayed is different. This is hard to explain because its so bizarre what is happening.  So when I do find a scenario that displays both my internal and external folders (I know this because the path name for my sd-card is a bunch of numbers). When I select that folder Avare does nothing now, like it can't be selected.  I've checked permissions and write to storage is allowed. 

[M F]

Ok after more playing around, could the problem be that in the Avare app while selecting the "start" folder with the options in the charts storage screen, the read is retrieving the folder names but when selecting a folder listed on the screen and the folder is not added to the path,  is there a problem here?  The "up" function works fine going up the directory tree but the downward movement through the directorty tree is not working.

Then maybe once a valid path is stored in Avare the downloaded charts would go to the folder on the sd-card.

[M F]

So I made an appointment with U Break I Fix which is an authorized Samsung repair shop. I had them check to see if there were any issues with my phone,  memory, and sd-card. Everything checked out good, no issues found.  I actually got to sit down with a tech and show him what paths Avare was displaying. We found the /storage and the matching folders listed by Avare. However Avare was not allowing the movement down the path. My sd-card was listed but Avare would not read/list the folders when selecting in the /storage folder. With the techs tool it listed folders/files and could keep navigating around. He said this was a problem with the Avare app. He also said the 3 buttons on the Charts and Storage Folder were just preprogrammed path locations to try and find a valid path. 

With an older version of Avare I know I was able to navigate around because I had all those files set to my sd-card. This was never a problem found until I uninstalled and reinstalled the app and had to redo my storage location. Like I stated before, the Tracks folder is now in the restricted area for Samsung. The Tracks folder is only going to keep growing and growing and fill up my internal storage and I can't get to it to even clean it up or use the files. 

I have read another recent thread where one could download a different cycle of charts and change which folder Avare would use (at least that is how I understood it). With my Avare version I wouldn't be able to do that. 

This is just something I stumbled upon. I don't know how long ago this "got broke". There is nothing I can do to fix this. Please help. 

[t v]

Hi.

I know this is frustrating, and everyone at Avare wants to make that installation easier, but most of times with a new compile and forced by updating from Android Studio / G and many OS versions in different devices.. that Avare has no control over,  makes this very difficult.

See if any of the posts below help, chances are that you CAN get it done but it will likely take a specific procedure for your specific device / OS.

You should be able to easily install in your Internal storage and be able to view your files, second option.

There are 3 locations where you can install in, Default which does not give you access to view files, and it’s where  Android / G wants it, External folder which is second easiest option and SD card folder which is what you want, most difficult but if you read and follow some of the posts that I attached you should be able to combine techniques and get it done.

I was always able to find a way to do it but in some cases it required many hours of work and with the present devices that have a lot more storage and memory it becomes less important for most people. Many of my devices that I use only have 4GB of storage but you can actually use them, without having to resort to SD card,  if you keep the downloads / areas reasonable in size.

And the Brake and fix guy / girl has no idea what he / she is talking about, if you paid him / her anything ask for your money back. TV

 

https://groups.google.com/g/apps4av-forum/c/oqAxkqlMosU/m/8qrTqlVfBQAJ

https://groups.google.com/g/apps4av-forum/c/sFcqTa7kMQM/m/ihzxgCmACwAJ

https://groups.google.com/g/apps4av-forum/c/qpmYlCZitJ0/m/OuxkHfB7CAAJ

https://groups.google.com/g/apps4av-forum/c/vwQdsLmjyjE/m/PgeujRK-AAAJ

[Jeffrey Ross]

One other heads up, you cannot store the approach plates for New Hampshire and Alabama on the SD card, if you try you will get an error when Concord, NH (CON) or Mac Crenshaw (PRN) are written.  The reason is the plates are stored under a directory with the airport identifier and the SD card is formatted as Fat 32 which reserves CON and PRN (plus a few other names) as unusable by the Android operating system.

Jeff

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/apps4av-forum/987b24ed-d0fe-467a-9aac-1f65367da7a2n%40googlegroups.com.

[Brad Walker]

Basically, Android OS is going to make this situation more complicated with our current implementation.

Android is now "enforcing" scoped storage. Which is to say if you really want to use a shared directory between your tablet/cell phone and a host, Avare is going to have to learn how to play better with the framework APIs.

In addition on Android 10, the SD card is considered "Adoptable Storage". Which is to say, the SD card is going to be tied directly to the tablet/cell phone. Once again, Avare is going to have to learn how to play better with the framework APIs.

External storage, either via SD card or USB mountable path, has historically been where security breaches have occurred. As a result, Android is really making an effort to lock those locations down and force apps to go through the framework APIs for access. I think this is a good thing as it makes your device more secure.

Long term, I really wish Avare would do a better job with this aspect. I believe it would reduce the support problems as well as make things more seamless.

-brad w.

[M F]

I have been playing around with different scenarios and reading those links included. There seems to be a problem the way Avare reads the directory tree. I say this because after working with the U Break I Fix tech (and yes I had to pay a diagnostic check) and seeing the folders listed on his screen were not seen in Avare's chart and storage navigation screen when going UP.

Now read this.  I created a com.ds.avare folder in my internal storage / Android/data folder and Avare finally downloaded the files there. Finally I'm out of the restricted area for Samsung. What I haven't figured out yet (quit playing around for tonight) was why the waypoints/plans folder shows a default folder on my sd-card (/storage/36xx-42xx/Android/ data/ com.ds.avare) when i haven't changed anything to that.  So I manually created that path because it didn't exist. Nothing has been saved/written in there yet. As soon as I select UP or choose the Try External Folder button on the screen Avare will show me the 36xx-42xx folder but when I click it Avare will not do anything (navigate down a level). It should show many folders and the Android folder. This failing the and way in the Charts Storage Folder. But after reading the message from Brad, there is going to be other problems. 

I can live with the data on the internal storage just as long as it wasn't hidden so I could get to my tracks folder. I've now been trying to figure out why the tracks on/off button on the map screen is doing. Every time is displays a message Tracks On at the bottom regardless of I'm turning it on or off. No kml files have been found yet since I got the data files in the new Avare folder i created. I will have to do some driving around with tracks on to get some data I guess. I had to manually create a Tracks folder. 

Why do I have to create all these folders outside of Avare? I didn't have to when I installed this the first time during the summer. 

I've had to do lot of playing around the last week and trying to get an understanding what Avare is/isn't doing. 

Oh another thing the tech showed me was in the settings of the app you can tell Android to move it to the sd-card. It displays a message it's moving but it really doesn't. The tech checked the storage used on both the internal and external storage used before and after the move and the internal never decreased and the external never increased. The com.ds.avare folder was not found on the external storage. 

Hope all this is helping

[John W SBA]

> default folder on my sd-card (/storage/36xx-42xx

That hexadecimal number is the actual SD card. The SD that my devices
(all Samsung) show is actually "emulated" and is internal memory, NOT
the actual SD.

> there is going to be other problems.

That's sure been my experience. I'd (usually) get it to use the actual
SD on one device/Android version, and have to start over on the next.
I'd rather be flying.

> get to my tracks folder.

I've never had trouble with that, since mine default to internal and
they're relatively tiny files in MyFiles -> Internal storage ->
com.ds.avare -> Tracks (but now that you've been messing with all this,
you might need to un/reinstall Avare).

> Tracks On at the bottom regardless of I'm turning it on or off.

Some time ago it was changed to always start up with the setting as it
was when we exit Avare. No idea why yours won't toggle on/off now, but
I'd start with un/reinstall and go with default storage settings to see
if that helps.

> Why do I have to create all these folders outside of Avare?

Maybe due to trying for SD storage?

> sd-card. It displays a message it's moving but it really doesn't.

Probably just moves it to "emulated" SD that's actually internal memory.

Have fun getting it to work.

Or just go fly. ;)