Why Fake The Crash of Oceanic Flight 815
thinbluemime
I keep wondering why stage a plane crash. There doesn't seem to be a good
reason at this point in the Lost saga, even with the recap show that tells
us that Widmore staged the fake crash. Widmore has been looking for the
island for years, spending much of his time and money in the search with
no success. So it is not as if someone searching for the real crash would
accidentally stumble upon the island. Ms Hawking noted how difficult it
was to find the island. Even knowing where the island would be, there was
only a tiny window of time available when returning flight 316 was able to
access it.
And to top it off, the stage wreck, was poorly staged as "The Conspiracy
of Lies" points out. To make it even more suspect, the poorly faked wreck
was discovered and documented by a Widmore subsidiary.
The most recent episode of the ODI podcast addresses this "why fake a
crash" issue and offers some possibilities that may not have been before
considered. The following clip is of that part of ODI discussion.
Clip:
http://www.mediafire.com/?2hyo4ogzkmi
http://www.mediafire.com/file/2hyo4ogzkmi/ODI.LOSTcast.41.Part.1-Epi.5(42-47MARK)_CLIP.mp3
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Complete Podcast:
http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2009/04/odi-lostcast-41-part-1-episode-5x13.html
http://www.hipcast.com/export/P9141c461643537fb07527d19964b38b3bF15QFREY2Z1.mp3
Hey All,
Once again thanks to all of you for being so patient for the podcast this
week, but with the break we were able to work all of our schedules out to
have our good friend DarkUFO join us once again this week.
As always my podcast partner Karen and LOST recapper Vozzzek69 were both a
part of the recap with their thoughts and theories. All four of us are big
Star Wars geeks so we had a great time chatting about this episode in
particular.
We cover all of the key scenes, with Hurley and Miles interaction,
learning about Miles' ability, Pierre Chang being Miles dad, and much
more!!
Frosty
A Watcher
The main problem with the fake is that there are no retired 777
airplanes. Every one that has been produced is still flying so it would
not be possible to acquire one to place in the ocean.
Tim
> To stop anyone from looking in the general area of the actual crash?
>
>
If he knew what he was looking for and couldn't find it, why would he
think people who had no idea anything was there would find it?
Tim
And does anyone even know the general area of the crash, considering it
was 1000 miles off course?
Dan Cline
> The main problem with the fake is that there are no retired 777
> airplanes. Every one that has been produced is still flying so it would
>
Your right, there is no way to get parts to make up a 777 or even
fabricate the aircraft if you have millions of dollars. And you would
NEED to get EVERYTHING exactly correct, heck you need to make sure the
corpses that you use for passengers are wearing clothes current to the
time period.
Tikbalang
points have been made in this thread.
Tikbalang
Widmore worried people are as much as looking for it?
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:12:17 -0400, thinbluemime
<thinbl...@tbm.com> wrote:
Bob
> reason at this point in the Lost saga, even with the recap show that tells
> us that Widmore staged the fake crash. Widmore has been looking for the
> island for years,
That's just a cover story. You "stage" a plane crash (i.e. produce a
video ostensibly of its wreckage) to upstage someone else's hoax
involving an ostensible plane crash.
Scott Bryce
>> If he knew what he was looking for and couldn't find it, why would he
>> think people who had no idea anything was there would find it?
The passengers on flight 815 found the island, and they weren't even
looking for it!
thinbluemime
wrote:
And so did the African Beechcraft drug smugglers, The real Henry Gale and
The Black Rock ship. But they were'nt traveling from Sidney to L.A. So if
the island entry window moves around, why fake a plane crash to conceal
one port of entry, that isn't even there now.
RICK scampiliano
thing.
I think "a" reason for the fake crash is because now 815 is no longer
missing. If a boat or plane accidentally "found" the island while
searching for 815 they would in effect be stranded on the island like
every one else, unable to transmit their location to the outside world.
The outside world, however, would now be wondering why and how 2 vessels
could go missing in the same area. This leads me to an even bigger
mystery......
Now that 316 has crashed on the island, what is the outside world
thinking now that another plane has "disappeared" over the south
Pacific? Furthermore, the O6 were on board. Why did Hurley buy all the
empty seats? Whats the Lapidus connection?
There are dozens of red flags that are gonna be raised by 316s crash.
This time, its more than just the islands location that will be in
jeopardy.
Bob
> Now that 316 has crashed on the island, what is the outside world
> thinking now that another plane has "disappeared" over the south
> Pacific? Furthermore, the O6 were on board. Why did Hurley buy all the
> empty seats?
To provide a plausible excuse for a paucity of witnesses.
karal...@yahoo.com
I thought it was because he didn't want all of those people to become
stranded on the Island.
RICK scampiliano
>Why did Hurley buy all the empty seats?
>
>To provide a plausible excuse for a
>paucity of witnesses.
Even after looking up the definition of "paucity", I'm not sure what
you mean. I wasn't posing the question from "our" perspective, I was
posing it from the outside worlds perspective, and that of the
authorities. With all the suspicious circumstances surrounding Ajira
316, some one is gonna realize there is some kind of conspiracy going
on.
Regardless of what our individual theories are regarding what the
conspiracy is, keeping it under wraps should be just as critical as
keeping the island hidden. no?
sol...@aol.com
On Apr 26, 11:18 pm, tyrantc...@webtv.net (RICK scampiliano) wrote:
> I'm unable to listen to the podcasts, so I hope I'm not repeating any
> thing.
> I think "a" reason for the fake crash is because now 815 is no longer
> missing. If a boat or plane accidentally "found" the island while
> searching for 815 they would in effect be stranded on the island like
> every one else, unable to transmit their location to the outside world.
> The outside world, however, would now be wondering why and how 2 vessels
> could go missing in the same area. This leads me to an even bigger
> mystery......
>
> Now that 316 has crashed on the island, what is the outside world
> thinking now that another plane has "disappeared" over the south
> Pacific?
A "Bermuda Triangle" in the South Pacific maybe? A Mariana
Triangle? ;-)
-/< /\ />-
Bob
Yes and no. What they're arranging is a hoax, so they have to control
the information flow. There had to be some excuse for why so few
people would've been on that flight, so they arranged for Hurley to
pretend to buy up all the seats and insist no standby passengers get
on, the plausible reason being magnanimity -- i.e. that he didn't want
to inconvenience strangers by having them stranded somewhere. So
everyone on the plane was in on it.
In particular, everyone on that flight was supposed to be in the
"Merovingian" faction -- i.e. those who wanted the details of the hoax
to be their way, as opposed to the way the "Carolingian" faction was
trying to do it. This required them to employ certain doubles to
impersonate those of the Carolingian faction. However, Charles
Widmore had attempted to smuggle in a Carolingian double of John
Locke, Jeremy Bentham. We saw how he was dealt with.
Bob in the Bronx
Darren Delgado
Please, please, please someone film this ending of the show. The last
twenty minutes would have to be one person explaining everything.
"See, there were these two factions, which we haven't mentioned up
until now. But everyone is on one of these two sides whose
motivations you know nothing about and have no emotional investment in
whatsoever. Oh, and a lot of the people have doubles. And... uh, a
couple of other stuff that we didn't mention at all or name over the
past six years is also what the show is all about. The end!"
Bob
> Please, please, please someone film this ending of the show. The last
> twenty minutes would have to be one person explaining everything.
> "See, there were these two factions, which we haven't mentioned up
> until now. But everyone is on one of these two sides whose
> motivations you know nothing about and have no emotional investment in
> whatsoever. Oh, and a lot of the people have doubles. And... uh, a
> couple of other stuff that we didn't mention at all or name over the
> past six years is also what the show is all about. The end!"
Of course they don't MENTION it! What do you expect, someone's
supposed to just SAY the butler did it? What would be the fun in
watching that?
Kim
But in YOUR show, the butler did it, but the audience didn't even know there
WAS a butler - and tell me, where's the fun in watching THAT?
--
Kim
www.thedarwinexception.wordpress.com
* The guitarist for Third Eye Blind was on MTV Cribs, showing off his
house. He picks up a guitar and says, "this is my favorite guitar.
With this guitar, the songs just write themselves." Yeah, sure. Blame
the guitar.*
thinbluemime
<darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:
> But in YOUR show, the butler did it, but the audience didn't even know
> there
> WAS a butler - and tell me, where's the fun in watching THAT?
>
>
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn...And don't call me Shirley :P
Darren Delgado
Yeah, what would be the fun in watching and following characters that
have been introduced longer than 0:00:59 before the end of the series,
like every other story and storytelling convention in TV history?
tdciago
> Yeah, what would be the fun in watching and following characters that
> have been introduced longer than 0:00:59 before the end of the series,
> like every other story and storytelling convention in TV history?
I feel like Robgood has sort of the right idea, in that there *is* a
type of long con going on, and the last few moments of the series
finale * will* provide a shocking twist that seems to come out of
nowhere.
But I think his interpretation of the con and the reveal are off the
mark, and far too conventional. It's not that we'll suddenly be
introduced to some new character who will offer us an explanation of
this big in-story con. Rather, the foundation upon which we view
these well-known characters is going to crumble under our feet, and it
will dawn on us that we have to look at their story in an entirely
different way. They will still be the characters we've come to know,
and the things they've done have not been a lie. In a sense, we've
been conning *ourselves*, because we're too much Man of Science and
too little Man of Faith. Too much reason, too little imagination.
"A society should not merely be measured by its brightest lights, but
on how the brightest light the way for those who cannot shine for
themselves."
- Alvar Hanso
Jim Gysin
Scott Bryce sent the following on 4/26/2009 7:51 PM:
All that tells you is that you can't eliminate the possibility of an
accidental discovery. But does that justify *not* taking steps to deter
or stop an *intentional* effort at discovery?
That's kinda like saying, "Well, I can't stop the possibility that I
might one day have a heart attack, so I may as well give up on exercise
and eat everything in sight right now."
In other words, you do what you can to control the things that you can
control even as you accept the fact that fate may also play a role in
things.
--
Jim Gysin
Waukesha, WI
Jim Gysin
karal...@yahoo.com sent the following on 4/27/2009 9:37 AM:
No, that's just what they *wanted* you to think. :)
Jim Gysin
Darren Delgado sent the following on 4/27/2009 6:38 PM:
:)
> The last
> twenty minutes would have to be one person explaining everything.
Twenty minutes? Heck, it would take half a *season* to explain all of
Rob's wacky theory. Who represents whom, who's lying to whom, who's in
cahoots with whom, what the ultimate goal of it all is, etc.........
> "See, there were these two factions, which we haven't mentioned up
> until now. But everyone is on one of these two sides whose
> motivations you know nothing about and have no emotional investment in
> whatsoever. Oh, and a lot of the people have doubles. And... uh, a
> couple of other stuff that we didn't mention at all or name over the
> past six years is also what the show is all about. The end!"
How much help do you need?
DIDN'T YOU NOTICE THE LIGHT SWITCH?
Scott Bryce
>
> Scott Bryce sent the following on 4/26/2009 7:51 PM:
>> Tim wrote:
>>>> If he knew what he was looking for and couldn't find it, why
>>>> would he think people who had no idea anything was there would
>>>> find it?
>>
>> The passengers on flight 815 found the island, and they weren't
>> even looking for it!
>
> All that tells you is that you can't eliminate the possibility of an
> accidental discovery. But does that justify *not* taking steps to
> deter or stop an *intentional* effort at discovery?
The way I see it, by staging a fake crash site, Widmore was taking steps
to lead people away from the island.
> That's kinda like saying, "Well, I can't stop the possibility that I
> might one day have a heart attack, so I may as well give up on
> exercise and eat everything in sight right now."
No, it is more like saying that since a heart attack is a possibility, I
should exercise and eat right to reduce the likelihood.
> In other words, you do what you can to control the things that you
> can control even as you accept the fact that fate may also play a
> role in things.
By staging the fake crash site, Widmore was preventing people from
looking for flight 815 in the vicinity of the island. He WAS controlling
the things he could control.
Bob
wrote:
> >> Please, please, please someone film this ending of the show. The last
> >> twenty minutes would have to be one person explaining everything.
> >> "See, there were these two factions, which we haven't mentioned up
> >> until now. But everyone is on one of these two sides whose
> >> motivations you know nothing about and have no emotional investment
> >> in whatsoever. Oh, and a lot of the people have doubles. And... uh, a
> >> couple of other stuff that we didn't mention at all or name over the
> >> past six years is also what the show is all about. The end!"
>
> > Of course they don't MENTION it! What do you expect, someone's
> > supposed to just SAY the butler did it? What would be the fun in
> > watching that?
>
> But in YOUR show, the butler did it, but the audience didn't even know there
> WAS a butler - and tell me, where's the fun in watching THAT?
> --
All the characters have been shown, just not all identified in such an
obvious way.
Today I saw the movie "Knowing". It stank. It took 2 (or more)
exciting stories and made one boring one out of them. Among its
faults, it made it obvious that certain characters were mysterious.
What you have to do is make it the peanut vendor or someone you
wouldn't think was going to turn out to be the spook or whatever.
This is such a well proven technique, it's hard to see how the makers
of that movie could've gone so wrong by not employing it.
Bob in the Bronx
Bob
> > The last
> > twenty minutes would have to be one person explaining everything.
>
> Twenty minutes? Heck, it would take half a *season* to explain all of
> Rob's wacky theory. Who represents whom, who's lying to whom, who's in
> cahoots with whom, what the ultimate goal of it all is, etc.........
Not at all. You way overestimate how much realiz'n can be gotten
across in a very short time in drama. I've seen this sort of thing
done many times; you probably have too, but just don't remember.
You've even seen it in "Lost" itself. In the episode where Sawyer
"got all the guns", all it took was a brief scene at the end with him
& Charlie, and the whole complicated plot could be figured out almost
instantly.
Bob in the Bronx
thinbluemime
> All the characters have been shown, just not all identified in such an
> obvious way.
>
> Today I saw the movie "Knowing". It stank. It took 2 (or more)
After seeing the numbers and the whispers, did you wonder if Lost might
end with some sort of a tree of life twist ?
(like a Darren Aronofsky ending?)
Aaron
That wasn't really Sawyer, though. It was his first double.
-Aaron
Tim
Why would they be looking there? Wasn't the plane off course?
Of course, he may not have known that the plane was off course.
Scott Bryce
> Why would they be looking there? Wasn't the plane off course? Of
> course, he may not have known that the plane was off course.
The Christiane I was out looking for The Black Rock wreckage when it
found flight 815. Widmore was knowledgeable about the disappearance of
The Black Rock. If he knew about the Christiane I expedition, staging a
fake crash site would lead people away from both the island and The
Black Rock.
So the answer to your question is, they weren't looking for flight 815
there.
Bob
> > Today I saw the movie "Knowing". It stank. It took 2 (or more)
>
> After seeing the numbers and the whispers, did you wonder if Lost might
> end with some sort of a tree of life twist ?
No. I thought only about ripping the other way, FROM "Lost".
jaf
John
"Darren Delgado" <darren...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2e0a066c-9d1b-4448...@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Bob
> > Yeah, what would be the fun in watching and following characters that
> > have been introduced longer than 0:00:59 before the end of the series,
> > like every other story and storytelling convention in TV history?
>
> I feel like Robgood has sort of the right idea, in that there *is* a
> type of long con going on, and the last few moments of the series
> finale * will* provide a shocking twist that seems to come out of
> nowhere.
>
> But I think his interpretation of the con and the reveal are off the
> mark, and far too conventional. It's not that we'll suddenly be
> introduced to some new character who will offer us an explanation of
> this big in-story con. Rather, the foundation upon which we view
> these well-known characters is going to crumble under our feet, and it
> will dawn on us that we have to look at their story in an entirely
> different way. They will still be the characters we've come to know,
But all that is what I think too. What gives people the idea I meant
to introduce a character de novo for this purpose, as in "Tightrope"?
> and the things they've done have not been a lie.
But I think they'll be taken as such by most of the audience because
their correct INTERPRET'N was not made too obvious, although plenty of
clues were given.
Bob in the Bronx
tdciago
> But all that is what I think too. �
Yeah, but our interpretations are still worlds apart.
Literally. :)
Darren Delgado
Thranslation:
"The movie 'Knowing' sucked because I could not make another movie out
of it in my head."
Darren Delgado
Well, actually, it is a complicated mess, but I do think you could
boil it down to the finer points, and recap it in one 'Matlock' or
'Monk'-type "here's how it happened" speech (complete with expository
flashbacks filmed in black and white) given by one of the characters,
and it would take like half a show. Flash back to all the important
plot points, like Walt hanging on the puppet strings, the fake baby
coming out of Claire's vagina, Fake Locke meeting up with his clone,
the real Locke, and shaking hands over cigars and brandy, etc.
Of course the actual explanation would be horrible, and would be just
about the worst ending to Lost that anyone could write. But it could
be done, theoretically (and please, someone whose name rhymes with
Zamon Schmindelof, please do it, and put it on the DVD as an easter
egg).
thinbluemime
wrote:
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.lost/msg/732d30e31941caab
>
> I keep wondering why stage a plane crash. There doesn't seem to be a
> good reason at this point in the Lost saga, even with the recap show
> that tells us that Widmore staged the fake crash. Widmore has been
> looking for the island for years, spending much of his time and money in
> the search with no success. So it is not as if someone searching for the
> real crash would accidentally stumble upon the island. Ms Hawking noted
> how difficult it was to find the island. Even knowing where the island
> would be, there was only a tiny window of time available when returning
> flight 316 was able to access it.
>
> And to top it off, the stage wreck, was poorly staged as "The Conspiracy
> of Lies" points out. To make it even more suspect, the poorly faked
> wreck was discovered and documented by a Widmore subsidiary.
(NOTE: Vozzek69 is one of the ODI podcast members heard in the ODI
podcast, linked to in this thread)
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/04/things-i-noticed-variable-by-vozzek69.html
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The Sunken Wreckage of Flight 815 and My Own Never-ending Stubbornness
Charles Widmore finally "reveals" he sunk the phony plane, which would
seem to put this mystery to bed for good. But before we tuck it in, I'm
going to slap it on the ass one more time. After this, I promise to leave
this topic alone. This time for real. :)
First off, look at who Charles is talking to: Daniel Faraday. He
conveniently shows up just as the 815 footage is being played on the
television, then uses it as a cattle prod to get Dan on his freighter
crew. So do we take what Widmore is saying at face value? First let's run
down the steps someone needs to take in order to pull this off:
a) Purchase a retired Boeing 777: un-parted out
b) Paint it to look exactly like Oceanic 815
c) Fill it with dozens of rotting corpses you stole from a Thai cemetery
d) Sneak it out into the middle of the Indian Ocean, over the Sundra Trench
e) Somehow do all this without anyone (but your evil henchmen!) knowing
f) Dump it and then 'pretend to find it
Pretty slick, right? But hey Widmore has lots of money, so everyone
naturally believes this can be done. Okay fine. So now let's examine the
reasons why he'd do something like this:
1) To "throw off" the search parties looking for Flight 815. (Yeah, right)
2) To point fingers at Ben, convincing people he's evil (Seems like a lot
of trouble, no?)
3) To convince Daniel to get on the freighter (Hawking's prodding
accomplished that just fine I think)
4) I can't even think of another reason.
No one can convince me that there'd be much of a search effort for a plane
that disappeared "somewhere in the Pacific Ocean". And you also can't
convince me that Widmore's "afraid of the public finding the island" when
he's spent an unsuccessful 20 years trying to find it using his own vast
resources.
Without going into too much detail, I'll say this: I believe we're looking
at the actual wreckage of Flight 815. Just as there's an iteration of 815
laying in pieces all over our favorite beach, there's another iteration of
815 that crashed in the real world. This is why Daniel is crying - because
I think deep down in his super-intelligent mind, he knows it.
The biggest clue, given to us a long while ago: the plane in the Sundra
Trench is broken into the exact same three pieces that the original Flight
815 broke into. How the hell could that be possible? Widmore had no way of
knowing this, and he couldn't have gotten that lucky. Nah, I'm not buying
any of it. (I guess I'm not buying lots of stuff lately).
A Watcher
As I said before, there are NO retired Boeing 777s. All of them are
still in service.
Bob
> conveniently shows up just as the 815 footage is being played on the
> television, then uses it as a cattle prod to get Dan on his freighter
> crew. So do we take what Widmore is saying at face value? First let's run
> down the steps someone needs to take in order to pull this off:
>
> a) Purchase a retired Boeing 777: un-parted out
>
> b) Paint it to look exactly like Oceanic 815
>
> c) Fill it with dozens of rotting corpses you stole from a Thai cemetery
>
> d) Sneak it out into the middle of the Indian Ocean, over the Sundra Trench
>
> e) Somehow do all this without anyone (but your evil henchmen!) knowing
>
> f) Dump it and then 'pretend to find it
Or just produce a video, the way it was done for "Lost".
RICK scampiliano
>As I said before, there are NO retired
>Boeing 777s. All of them are still in
>service.
So does this mean the writers goofed up, or is it a deliberate clue?
Speaking of goofs, was the footage used of 815 under water even that of
a 777? The nose looks kind of pointy. Isn't a 777s' nose rounder and
fatter?
A Watcher
I think it was just a goof. They went to great deal of trouble to use
the correct model of 737 for flight 316, though. There is only one
model of 737 that could fly that route and there aren't very many of
them in service.
It's easy to Photoshop a 777 image and put it anywhere, even on the moon.
Steven L.
> thinbluemime wrote:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.lost/msg/732d30e31941caab
>>
>> I keep wondering why stage a plane crash. There doesn't seem to be a
>> good reason at this point in the Lost saga, even with the recap show
>> that tells us that Widmore staged the fake crash. Widmore has been
>> looking for the island for years, spending much of his time and money
>> in the search with no success. So it is not as if someone searching
>> for the real crash would accidentally stumble upon the island. Ms
>> Hawking noted how difficult it was to find the island. Even knowing
>> where the island would be, there was only a tiny window of time
>> available when returning flight 316 was able to access it.
>>
>> And to top it off, the stage wreck, was poorly staged as "The
>> Conspiracy of Lies" points out. To make it even more suspect, the
>> poorly faked wreck was discovered and documented by a Widmore subsidiary.
>>
>> crash" issue and offers some possibilities that may not have been
>> before considered. The following clip is of that part of ODI discussion.
>>
>>
>> Clip:
>> http://www.mediafire.com/?2hyo4ogzkmi
>> http://www.mediafire.com/file/2hyo4ogzkmi/ODI.LOSTcast.41.Part.1-Epi.5(42-47MARK)_CLIP.mp3
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------
>>
>> Complete Podcast:
>> http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2009/04/odi-lostcast-41-part-1-episode-5x13.html
>>
>> http://www.hipcast.com/export/P9141c461643537fb07527d19964b38b3bF15QFREY2Z1.mp3
>>
>>
>> Hey All,
>> Once again thanks to all of you for being so patient for the podcast
>> this week, but with the break we were able to work all of our
>> schedules out to have our good friend DarkUFO join us once again this
>> week.
>>
>> As always my podcast partner Karen and LOST recapper Vozzzek69 were
>> both a part of the recap with their thoughts and theories. All four of
>> us are big Star Wars geeks so we had a great time chatting about this
>> episode in particular.
>>
>> We cover all of the key scenes, with Hurley and Miles interaction,
>> learning about Miles' ability, Pierre Chang being Miles dad, and much
>> more!!
>>
>
>
> The main problem with the fake is that there are no retired 777
> airplanes. Every one that has been produced is still flying so it would
> not be possible to acquire one to place in the ocean.
Widmore could do it the way J.J. Abrams did it: Pick a plane that looks
similar, and cut it up into pieces so no one will notice that if you put
it together, it's not a 777.
To film the crash scenes on the beach in the pilot film 1.01, Abrams
bought a surplus *Lockheed L1011*, had it cut up, and strewed the pieces
all over a beach in Hawaii.
It looked so realistic, that passengers in airliners flying into Hawaii
saw it out their windows and became alarmed that a plane had crashed!
--
Steven L.
Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
RICK scampiliano
>Widmore could do it the way J.J. Abrams
>did it: Pick a plane that looks similar, and
>cut it up into pieces so no one will notice
>that if you put it together, it's not a 777.
This simply would not work. While it may fool 99.9% of us, it won't
fool the authorities. Officials at Oceanic, Boeing, and the NTSB would
know it wasn't the right model just by looking at the video.
Jim Gysin
Scott Bryce sent the following on 4/28/2009 3:52 PM:
It would appear we're on the same side of this argument. Your initial
reply to Tim left things somewhat vague on that point, but I see now
which side of the fence you were already on.
Jim Gysin
Darren Delgado sent the following on 4/30/2009 10:18 AM:
> Flash back to all the important
> plot points, like Walt hanging on the puppet strings, the fake baby
> coming out of Claire's vagina, Fake Locke meeting up with his clone,
> the real Locke, and shaking hands over cigars and brandy, etc.
Heh. I really think that Claire's vagina could get equal billing with
THE LIGHT SWITCH.
> Of course the actual explanation would be horrible, and would be just
> about the worst ending to Lost that anyone could write. But it could
> be done, theoretically (and please, someone whose name rhymes with
> Zamon Schmindelof, please do it, and put it on the DVD as an easter
> egg).
:)
Darren Delgado
> Darren Delgado sent the following on 4/30/2009 10:18 AM:
>
> > Flash back to all the important
> > plot points, like Walt hanging on the puppet strings, the fake baby
> > coming out of Claire's vagina, Fake Locke meeting up with his clone,
> > the real Locke, and shaking hands over cigars and brandy, etc.
>
> Heh. I really think that Claire's vagina could get equal billing with
> THE LIGHT SWITCH.
How did I forget the LIGHT SWITCH? Being that it's one of the most
insignificant of prop errors in the entire series, that means it would
be one of the most important points of the show in Bizarro Lost and
the Final Episode Exposition. In fact it might be the very last scene
shown in the dramatic reveal, with two Lockes and two Sayids smilling
nefariously while Kate, pregnant with Aaron, is screwing a 2000s light
switch into a 1950s wall.
Also, we need to make sure Andy Griffith stays alive at least one more
year, so that he can appear in the final episode and explain the whole
Lost-Holy Grail conspiracy in the role of Matlock.
Jim Gysin
Darren Delgado sent the following on 5/5/2009 2:39 AM:
> On May 4, 7:20 pm, Jim Gysin <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> Darren Delgado sent the following on 4/30/2009 10:18 AM:
>>
>>> Flash back to all the important
>>> plot points, like Walt hanging on the puppet strings, the fake baby
>>> coming out of Claire's vagina, Fake Locke meeting up with his clone,
>>> the real Locke, and shaking hands over cigars and brandy, etc.
>> Heh. I really think that Claire's vagina could get equal billing with
>> THE LIGHT SWITCH.
>
> How did I forget the LIGHT SWITCH?
You were obviously distracted by Claire's vagina. I can see how that
could happen.
> Being that it's one of the most
> insignificant of prop errors in the entire series, that means it would
> be one of the most important points of the show in Bizarro Lost and
> the Final Episode Exposition. In fact it might be the very last scene
> shown in the dramatic reveal, with two Lockes and two Sayids smilling
> nefariously while Kate, pregnant with Aaron, is screwing a 2000s light
> switch into a 1950s wall.
While two Jacks and two Bens sit off in a corner, playing a spirited
game of Risk as Hurley sits at another table near them, playing chess
with himself.
> Also, we need to make sure Andy Griffith stays alive at least one more
> year, so that he can appear in the final episode and explain the whole
> Lost-Holy Grail conspiracy in the role of Matlock.
Wouldn't a Peter Falk "Columbo" moment work better?
Kim
>
>> Also, we need to make sure Andy Griffith stays alive at least one
>> more year, so that he can appear in the final episode and explain
>> the whole Lost-Holy Grail conspiracy in the role of Matlock.
>
> Wouldn't a Peter Falk "Columbo" moment work better?
Or Adrian Monk - "Here's what happened......"
--
Kim
www.thedarwinexception.wordpress.com
* The guitarist for Third Eye Blind was on MTV Cribs, showing off his
house. He picks up a guitar and says, "this is my favorite guitar.
With this guitar, the songs just write themselves." Yeah, sure. Blame
the guitar.*
Bob
wrote:
> Jim Gysin wrote:
>
> >> Also, we need to make sure Andy Griffith stays alive at least one
> >> more year, so that he can appear in the final episode and explain
> >> the whole Lost-Holy Grail conspiracy in the role of Matlock.
>
> > Wouldn't a Peter Falk "Columbo" moment work better?
>
> Or Adrian Monk - "Here's what happened......"
> --
see Andy Breckman's pitch for it.
Kim
And you just added 5 minutes to the last episode for explaining *that*
connection.
jdtiger
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.lost/msg/732d30e31941caab
>
> I keep wondering why stage a plane crash. There doesn't seem to be a good
> reason at this point in the Lost saga, even with the recap show that tells
> us that Widmore staged the fake crash. Widmore has been looking for the
> island for years, spending much of his time and money in the search with
> no success. So it is not as if someone searching for the real crash would
> accidentally stumble upon the island. Ms Hawking noted how difficult it
> was to find the island. Even knowing where the island would be, there was
> only a tiny window of time available when returning flight 316 was able to
> access it.
>
> And to top it off, the stage wreck, was poorly staged as "The Conspiracy
> of Lies" points out. To make it even more suspect, the poorly faked wreck
> was discovered and documented by a Widmore subsidiary.
>
> The most recent episode of the ODI podcast addresses this "why fake a
> crash" issue and offers some possibilities that may not have been before
> considered. The following clip is of that part of ODI discussion.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> Complete Podcast:http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2009/04/odi-lostcast-41-part-1-episode-5x...http://www.hipcast.com/export/P9141c461643537fb07527d19964b38b3bF15QF...
>
> Hey All,
> Once again thanks to all of you for being so patient for the podcast this
> week, but with the break we were able to work all of our schedules out to
> have our good friend DarkUFO join us once again this week.
>
> As always my podcast partner Karen and LOST recapper Vozzzek69 were both a
> part of the recap with their thoughts and theories. All four of us are big
> Star Wars geeks so we had a great time chatting about this episode in
> particular.
>
> We cover all of the key scenes, with Hurley and Miles interaction,
> learning about Miles' ability, Pierre Chang being Miles dad, and much
> more!!
>
Self consistency principal...whoever keeps the plane from ever
crashing on the island (maybe widmore) has to make sure the motivation
to stop the plane from crashing doesn't go away.
thinbluemime
wrote:
> Self consistency principal...whoever keeps the plane from ever
> crashing on the island (maybe widmore) has to make sure the motivation
> to stop the plane from crashing doesn't go away.
If you have been following the 9-11 thread in this forum, you may have
thought you had heard all the bad news. The good news is, the bad news
hasn't even started yet......If Widmore actually staged the crash, and
Widmore is an indigenous inhabitant of the i-land, the real reveals are
waiting in the wings....in the metaphors.
"the psychodynamics of terrorism"
Jim Gysin
Kim sent the following on 5/6/2009 7:43 AM:
> Jim Gysin wrote:
>
>>> Also, we need to make sure Andy Griffith stays alive at least one
>>> more year, so that he can appear in the final episode and explain
>>> the whole Lost-Holy Grail conspiracy in the role of Matlock.
>> Wouldn't a Peter Falk "Columbo" moment work better?
>
> Or Adrian Monk - "Here's what happened......"
Yes! This one works well! And the island would offer an almost
limitless supply of phobia-induced antics!
Darren Delgado
It works too well. It has to be hokey and corny like Matlock, to be
commensurate with the quality of the dopey theory.
We also need to resurrect Robert Stack to do a scene explaining how
Lost is reeeeealllllly all about 9/11, a la Unsolved Mysteries.
Except he just reads URLs and never actually reveals anything.
Jim Gysin
Darren Delgado sent the following on 5/7/2009 12:03 AM:
> On May 6, 7:35 pm, Jim Gysin <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> Kim sent the following on 5/6/2009 7:43 AM:
>>
>>> Jim Gysin wrote:
>>>>> Also, we need to make sure Andy Griffith stays alive at least one
>>>>> more year, so that he can appear in the final episode and explain
>>>>> the whole Lost-Holy Grail conspiracy in the role of Matlock.
>>>> Wouldn't a Peter Falk "Columbo" moment work better?
>>> Or Adrian Monk - "Here's what happened......"
>> Yes! This one works well! And the island would offer an almost
>> limitless supply of phobia-induced antics!
>
> It works too well. It has to be hokey and corny like Matlock, to be
> commensurate with the quality of the dopey theory.
Heh. Well, in that case, maybe we should have Sean Penn recreate his
Spicoli role, seeing as how someone would have to be truly stoned to buy
into this particular theory. :)
> We also need to resurrect Robert Stack to do a scene explaining how
> Lost is reeeeealllllly all about 9/11, a la Unsolved Mysteries.
> Except he just reads URLs and never actually reveals anything.
He would have to also provide evidence that disproves the point that
he's trying to make, even as he tries to claim that the case is closed.
Heh.
zabi...@gmail.com
doc...@gmail.com
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.lost/msg/732d30e31941caab
> I keep wondering why stage a plane crash. There doesn't seem to be a good
> reason at this point in the Lost saga, even with the recap show that tells
> us that Widmore staged the fake crash. Widmore has been looking for the
> island for years, spending much of his time and money in the search with
> no success. So it is not as if someone searching for the real crash would
> accidentally stumble upon the island. Ms Hawking noted how difficult it
> was to find the island. Even knowing where the island would be, there was
> only a tiny window of time available when returning flight 316 was able to
> access it.
>
> And to top it off, the stage wreck, was poorly staged as "The Conspiracy
> of Lies" points out. To make it even more suspect, the poorly faked wreck
> was discovered and documented by a Widmore subsidiary.