Yale Class Credits Question
Rob Jensen
What's the credit load for a typical
Yale class -- 3, 4 or 5 credits per class?
And is Yale on the quarter system or the
semester system?
'Cause what we've got here is, with 5 classes,
Rory was taking a minimum of 15 units or a maximum
of a big honking 25. At the semester-based university
that I graduated from a couple of years ago, 12 units
(four lecture-based classes, not counting supplemental
lab classes that are often 1-2 units apiece and offered
in conjunction with a major lecture class.) is considered
full time and 10 units is considered full time for financial
aid. In any case, Rory was waaaaay over her head
with the classload. The teacher was doing her a favor.
Funny thing, too. It's *always* the students of
Rory's type-A, gotta-get-things-done-as-fast-as-possible-
damn-the-torpedos-it's-my-responsibility-to-not-fail-no-matter-
what type that overbook themselves term after term after
term. Reminds me of the actor in my department who, because
he was cast in a mainstage department show, took 27 units
one semester and was on the verge of pneumonia for about
four weeks straight. I think that every student and every
teacher in the department told him he needed to drop
several classes at one point or another that semester --
I think he whittled it down to 19 units or so, IIRC.
-- Rob Jensen
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E Brown
wrote:
> Funny thing, too. It's *always* the students of
>Rory's type-A, gotta-get-things-done-as-fast-as-possible-
>damn-the-torpedos-it's-my-responsibility-to-not-fail-no-matter-
>what type that overbook themselves term after term after
>term. Reminds me of the actor in my department who, because
>he was cast in a mainstage department show, took 27 units
>one semester and was on the verge of pneumonia for about
>four weeks straight. I think that every student and every
>teacher in the department told him he needed to drop
>several classes at one point or another that semester --
>I think he whittled it down to 19 units or so, IIRC.
>
since I had that exact same conversation with a professor. I'd gotten
a D on an assignment and been called in by my English lit professor
and told that I needed to drop something - I was running track,
writing for the school paper, and taking 5 courses, as well as working
to put myself through school. I told the professor I'd never failed at
anything in my life and he replied "You're *18*, Mr. Brown! If
reducing your class load is your life's biggest failure, you'll be
very successful!"
The funny part was my reluctance to tell my family I had to drop a
class. I kept putting it off and putting it off, and eventually
realized that they'd never noticed anyway - to their eyes, I was still
running around with a lot of books, same as always.
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J.Duluoz
> Simple question:
>
> What's the credit load for a typical
> Yale class -- 3, 4 or 5 credits per class?
>
> And is Yale on the quarter system or the
> semester system?
>
I can’t help you with your question because the Quebecer system is
completely different but I also have a little personal story about
overloaded class that I will love to tell you.
When I first entered College I didn’t have the chance too meet a teacher
or an advisor who propose me to drop some class. (Here college is only a
step toward University, or a place where you can get a less prestigious
diploma with the word “technician” add to your title)(Per example I have
a diploma has an Architectural technician which basically mean that I
can do everything that an architect do but I’m not allow to sign the
blueprint and take civil responsibility in large project. (Well, I’m not
paid like an architect either))
So anyway, I was studying science and I end up having in my third
semester something like 35 hours of class when the average here is
around 25 hours. But I was young and innocent and I thought that I was
able to go trough that schedule. The result is that I failed my
electricity physics class with a 23%. I failed my chemistry class with
58% and my biology class with 58% (60% is the mark you need to pass)
Suddenly I hated science, hated the school, hated my teachers, and I
left the college at the end of the semester in a profound frustration
and maybe depression.
After a complete semester sat at home, watching the price is right, I
returned to another college to study architecture, had a lot of fun and
made great friends but the story couldn’t have finish so well.
And I still don’t know what will be the force that will be applied on a
alpha particle at 60 centimetre of a metal ring unequally positively
charge, and I don’t fuc**** care.
But oh!, I can tell you everithing about Ludwig Mies Van Der Rohe!
Rob Jensen
What's the credit load for a typical
Yale class -- 3, 4 or 5 credits per class?
And is Yale on the quarter system or the
semester system?
'Cause what we've got here is, with 5 classes,
Rory was taking a minimum of 15 units or a maximum
of a big honking 25. At the semester-based university
that I graduated from a couple of years ago, 12 units
(four lecture-based classes, not counting supplemental
lab classes that are often 1-2 units apiece and offered
in conjunction with a major lecture class.) is considered
full time and 10 units is considered full time for financial
aid. In any case, Rory was waaaaay over her head
with the classload. The teacher was doing her a favor.
Funny thing, too. It's *always* the students of
Rory's type-A, gotta-get-things-done-as-fast-as-possible-
damn-the-torpedos-it's-my-responsibility-to-not-fail-no-matter-
what type that overbook themselves term after term after
term. Reminds me of the actor in my department who, because
he was cast in a mainstage department show, took 27 units
one semester and was on the verge of pneumonia for about
four weeks straight. I think that every student and every
teacher in the department told him he needed to drop
several classes at one point or another that semester --
I think he whittled it down to 19 units or so, IIRC.
-- Rob Jensen
Bill Wong
15 credits per semester is the expected here at the University of
Delaware. In the business college here, we call people who can't handle
15 credits slackers. I've had 16-18 credits for 8 semesters straight,
34 of those while working 40hrs per week in a labor intensive job. Yale
is on the same kind of scale, 3 credits per class, except labs and the
occasional random 1 or 4 credit class.--Bill Wong
Rob Jensen
What's the credit load for a typical
Yale class -- 3, 4 or 5 credits per class?
And is Yale on the quarter system or the
semester system?
'Cause what we've got here is, with 5 classes,
Rory was taking a minimum of 15 units or a maximum
of a big honking 25. At the semester-based university
that I graduated from a couple of years ago, 12 units
(four lecture-based classes, not counting supplemental
lab classes that are often 1-2 units apiece and offered
in conjunction with a major lecture class.) is considered
full time and 10 units is considered full time for financial
aid. In any case, Rory was waaaaay over her head
with the classload. The teacher was doing her a favor.
Funny thing, too. It's *always* the students of
Rory's type-A, gotta-get-things-done-as-fast-as-possible-
damn-the-torpedos-it's-my-responsibility-to-not-fail-no-matter-
what type that overbook themselves term after term after
term. Reminds me of the actor in my department who, because
he was cast in a mainstage department show, took 27 units
one semester and was on the verge of pneumonia for about
four weeks straight. I think that every student and every
teacher in the department told him he needed to drop
several classes at one point or another that semester --
I think he whittled it down to 19 units or so, IIRC.
-- Rob Jensen
AngLT97
within 4 yrs with 128 credits, most students took 4 courses for 16 credits per
semester. There are some students who worked full time and took only 3 courses
per semester, and they took more than 4 yrs to graduate.
I think 4 courses per semester is just about right for a college student.
Anything more than 4 can be very stressful and draining. When I was in graduate
school, I took only 3 courses per semester bec. graduate course work demand
more time.
For Rory, I agree that 5 courses is a bit much, but then again, they are
freshman courses and she shouldn't be having too difficult a time with them if
she's as smart as the show portrayed her to be.
Ice Queen
> That scene really hit home for me, though it's been over 20 years
> since I had that exact same conversation with a professor. I'd gotten
> a D on an assignment and been called in by my English lit professor
> and told that I needed to drop something - I was running track,
> writing for the school paper, and taking 5 courses, as well as working
> to put myself through school.
I'm glad it worked out well for you, but I thought the scene was
*absurd*. I don't know this for fact, but I *really* don't think
professors are allowed to view a student's records just b/c the kid is
in their class. I just graduated, and I never heard of a professor
*telling* a student to drop a class when I was in school. For one
thing, professors are supposed to ecourage the "college kids are
adults now" party line; also, what professor would care? College
populations are enormous compared to 20 years ago; professors can't
keep track of everyone. Mostly, if a kid is failing, they give them an
F and move on to the next stack of papers to grade.
Aura
Ice Queen
> Simple question:
> What's the credit load for a typical
> Yale class -- 3, 4 or 5 credits per class?
I couldn't find anything on the website to say for sure, but 5 classes
is the norm at the schools I went to, as well as my friends' schools -
which is East Coast, close to Yale. 3 credits per class means 15 is
the adverage. 12 is usually minimum to be a full-time student, 18 is
usually the most you can take w/out getting special permission. At the
schools I went to (I transferred ... a few times), if you didn't take
5 classes a semester, you wouldn't graduate on time. I took 4 classes
each semester my first two years and had to do a lot of summer catch
up in the second two.
Aura
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> freshman courses and she shouldn't be having too difficult a time with
them if
> she's as smart as the show portrayed her to be.
Freshman courses at an elite private university would be much harder than at
the average State school., I would think...
~t
AngLT97
>the average State school., I would think...
>
You may be right, but Rory did go to Chilton, supposedly one of the top high
schools. Freshmen usually take Economics 101, Creative Writing, some basic
Science course such as Chemistry, and English Lit 101. These are courses that I
would think were largely covered while at Chilton.
AngLT97
>*absurd*. I don't know this for fact, but I *really* don't think
>professors are allowed to view a student's records just b/c the kid is
>in their class.
Most professors also function as student advisors, so they are at liberty to go
over students' records and advise accordingly.
Yeechang Lee
> Simple question:
>
> What's the credit load for a typical
> Yale class -- 3, 4 or 5 credits per class?
>
> And is Yale on the quarter system or the
> semester system?
Four or five class credits is typical per semester. Yale requires 36
class credits for a degree; the arithmetic is obvious.
A couple of Usenet posts by me on this very topic are at
<URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn9ihrri.prh.ylee%40pobox.com>
and
<URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn860qkn.jel.ylee%40bonjour.cc.columbia.edu>.
(And the first paragraph of my response to Hal Sadofsky is still quite
valid here, of course.)
ObGilmoreGirls: Given the enormous importance of the residential
college system to the Yale undergraduate experience, it's puzzling why
the show has never mentioned Rory's residential college (Morse),
especially given that the show's creators have taken such care to
reproduce Durfee Hall so exactly and by name.
Yeechang, who took seven classes one semester at his alma mater and
somehow enjoyed it
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sure it varies from subject to subject, class to class. Some as few as 2
units, some up to 5 units.
For my undergrad, I attended the University of Kentucky. Full time, and
full time for finanical aid as well, was 12 hours. 120 credits were needed
to graduate for most programs--engineering required more. My scholarship
was for four years, so in order to get done before I ran out of funding, I
had to average 15 credits per semester. Actually, if anyone wanted to
finish in 4, they had to average 15 a semester. From my experience, 15
units seems to be an average course load. Of course, most students try to
balance out some of the easier courses with harder courses. Freshman,
IIRC, were limited to a maximum of 19 credits per semester. The limit was
higher for the other years; how much higher, I can't recall at the moment.
Rory strikes me as the type to have to take the most hard and difficult
classes for all of her selections--thus getting in way over her head.
When I first registered for my first semester of college, I had picked out a
bunch of really hard and really difficult classes. I was a biology major,
at the time pre-med, had just graduated as valedictorian of my high school
class. I thought it would be awesome to take all of these really hard and
difficult classes at once. I had eighteen hours of chemistry, upper level
math, etc. picked out. I had this plan to finish early... Thankfully, my
mother insisted that I rethink some of my choices and reduce my hours, and I
didn't end up over my head. I still ended up working my rear off that
semester, and all semesters to follow it, but it never got to the point of
me being in over my head. In the end, I graduated on time and with a 4.0
GPA. I knew plenty of people who did try to over-extend themselves though.
As one example, I had a close friend, also a bio major, who did take all of
the really hard classes the first semester. She ended up doing rather
poorly in chemistry. She ended up with a C for the course, which is fine
for most things, but not for premed. Four years later, it was one of the
issues that gave her difficulty when trying to get in to medical school.
It seems like at most colleges and universities that I've heard about, there
is a lot of attention focused on helping the average student make the leap
from high school to college. However, there seems to be very little
attention given to help the bright students suceed. At UK, they offered a
class to freshman called "UK 101", which was designed to help introduce
students to college. I took the course, but I never felt as if the
information provided did anything to help me adjust to college. I already
knew how to study. I didn't need study tips on keeping up with reading and
preparing for tests. What I needed was help dealing with self expectations
and not requiring perfection out of myself.
I think this little event in Rory's life is one of those important "life
lessons." Sooner or later, everyone has to learn that they are not
superhuman and have limitations. Everyone eventually fails at
something--even "somethings" they are good at. Hopefully, Rory has learned
that there is a limit to what she can handle, and that in order to do well,
she's going to have to not spread herself so thinly.
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Mies Van Der Duluoz
to write the whole purpose of my message.
My point was, and you might have understood it, you're better to drop
some class than to fail all of them. Rory might feel failure when she's
been ask to drop some class, but the feeling of failure will be a lot
worst if she actually fail some of her class. In my case I didn't drop
any class, didn't change my major (because I though that my friends and
family would think, I don't know what?) and I didn't fail one class but
all of them. I told you the class that I fail, but even the ones I pass,
the grades weren't at the height of my expectation or potential.
Rob Jensen
writes:
>ObGilmoreGirls: Given the enormous importance of the residential
>college system to the Yale undergraduate experience, it's puzzling why
>the show has never mentioned Rory's residential college (Morse),
>especially given that the show's creators have taken such care to
>reproduce Durfee Hall so exactly and by name.
My guess is that that's because the show isn't really
about Rory's college experiences at Yale. Her experiences
at Yale are really only important 1) to the degree that they
affect or otherwise help clarify or define her relationships
with Lorelai and Emily and 2) in the way that they illustrate
how her general temperament and her social inexperience
has left her completely unprepared for what living away from
Lorelai *really* means. What's more important than mentioning
her residential college is examining Rory's ongoing separation
anxiety and her somewhat tenuous relationships with her
roommates. Gg's not a College Show -- it's a show in which
one of the leads happens to be in college -- so the show's not
really going to be about the process of college anymore than
Everwoody is going to be a Medical Show about the process
of being a doctor just because one of the leads is a doctor.
We're really not going to get much more detail about Yale
than we'd get of the clinics on Everwoody.
NickKnight
wrote:
> And is Yale on the quarter system or the
>semester system?
I would assume it is hte semester system. When I went to
college our school was on the quarter system and the rest
of the world was on the semester system.
BTW, that shool converted over to the semesters system.
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> On 19 Feb 2004 21:15:12 GMT, shut...@aol.comgilmore (Rob Jensen)
> wrote:
>
>> And is Yale on the quarter system or the
>>semester system?
> I would assume it is hte semester system. When I went to
> college our school was on the quarter system and the rest
> of the world was on the semester system.
>
> BTW, that shool converted over to the semesters system.
That's the way it was at my college, too. My freshman year was on the
quarter system, which was a pain for anyone transferring in or out during
the year, because all the other local schools were on the semester system.
By my sophomore year we had switched to the semester system.
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Jerry Davis
Yes, I too am confused. Yale must be really, really hard. I was taking
17-19 semester hours while working 20-30 hours per week all through my
time at Wisconsin. Although engineering courses were generally
considered a bit challenging ... I still managed to graduate summa cum
laude and imbibe the per capita requirement of beer. Don't get me wrong,
I didn't get fully kreuzened very often.
Rob Jensen
>ObGilmoreGirls: Given the enormous importance of the residential
>college system to the Yale undergraduate experience, it's puzzling why
>the show has never mentioned Rory's residential college (Morse),
>especially given that the show's creators have taken such care to
>reproduce Durfee Hall so exactly and by name.
My guess is that that's because the show isn't really
about Rory's college experiences at Yale. Her experiences
at Yale are really only important 1) to the degree that they
affect or otherwise help clarify or define her relationships
with Lorelai and Emily and 2) in the way that they illustrate
how her general temperament and her social inexperience
has left her completely unprepared for what living away from
Lorelai *really* means. What's more important than mentioning
her residential college is examining Rory's ongoing separation
anxiety and her somewhat tenuous relationships with her
roommates. Gg's not a College Show -- it's a show in which
one of the leads happens to be in college -- so the show's not
really going to be about the process of college anymore than
Everwoody is going to be a Medical Show about the process
of being a doctor just because one of the leads is a doctor.
We're really not going to get much more detail about Yale
than we'd get of the clinics on Everwoody until/unless we
have to.