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UPDATE: Skeletal remains could belong to missing woman; husband in custody

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bella

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Nov 17, 2009, 11:13:42 PM11/17/09
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This is an update to a case discussed here, wife 'went missing' & her house
burned the same morning of her disappearance. The husband was the main
suspect in both her disappearance and the arson house fire.

Skeletal remains could belong to missing woman; husband in custody


Posted: Today at 6:48 p.m.
Updated: 3 minutes ago

Stem, N.C. - WRAL News has learned that investigators believe skeletal
remains found Tuesday afternoon belong to missing Stem mother Kelly Morris.
Her husband Scott Morris was taken into custody and was being booked late
Tuesday at the Oxford magistrate's office.

The 28-year-old mother of two was last seen at her home on Sept. 3, 2008.

The following day, the house she shared with her family, including her
husband, Scott Morris, caught fire, which officials ruled was arson. Hours
afterward, authorities found Morris' car about a mile from her home with her
keys, purse and cell phone inside.

Since her disappearance, authorities and volunteers have searched numerous
times to find her.

WRAL News is awaiting confirmation of the official identity of the remains
from the state Medical Examiner's office.

The sheriff would not say Tuesday what the charges against Scott Morris are,
and officials would not allow WRAL News access to the arrest paperwork,
which is a matter of public record.

article continues at link along with photos:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6442385/


JonesieCat

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Nov 19, 2009, 2:26:17 PM11/19/09
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"bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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And no leak to the media about where the body was found. Usually there are
shots of a swarm of police cars and an area cordoned off, if it was an
outdoor scene. Had he rented a storage facility somewhere I wonder?

jc


Michael Snyder

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Nov 19, 2009, 2:51:16 PM11/19/09
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> "bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hdvs9k$2sc$1...@news.albasani.net...

Woo Hoo!!!
TINY DANCER SPECIAL!!!

bella

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"JonesieCat" <jonesi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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No, no storage facility. It was found in a very rural area, saw on the news
today. North, going towards the Virginia border, but near where they were
from, Stem, N.C. The body was located, as the crow flies, just east of
Butner, where the Federal prison is. The whole area up that way is
extremely rural, no large cities or towns.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6445876/

Lot's at this link.

Nancy Rudins

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Nov 19, 2009, 8:04:47 PM11/19/09
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It was nice when she sid she hated us and she was leaving.

--
Illinois: where our governors make our license plates.
nru...@att.net

bella

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"Nancy Rudins" <nru...@att.net> wrote in message
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> Michael Snyder wrote:
>>
>>> "bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hdvs9k$2sc$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>
>> Woo Hoo!!!
>> TINY DANCER SPECIAL!!!
>
> It was nice when she sid she hated us and she was leaving.

My god, do you never stop lying? Cite please?

td/bella

JonesieCat

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"bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Nancy Rudins" <nru...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:PrGdnXU9O--ydpjW...@supernews.com...
>> Michael Snyder wrote:
>>>
>>>> "bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:hdvs9k$2sc$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>>
>>> Woo Hoo!!!
>>> TINY DANCER SPECIAL!!!
>>
>> It was nice when she sid she hated us and she was leaving.
>
> My god, do you never stop lying? Cite please?
>
> td/bella

Will the 3 of you please kf one other. Or else play nice?

jc<---net nanny extraordinaire and queen of the ng but only in my dreams,
only in my rilly rilly BAD dreams I might add---> ;)


bella

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"JonesieCat" <jonesi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I have refrained from responding, but some things have to be pointed out as
lies. Period.


JonesieCat

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Nov 19, 2009, 10:35:15 PM11/19/09
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"bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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How did I know you were going to say that?

jc--->bowing out now ;-)


Michael Snyder

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JonesieCat wrote:
> "bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:he4qh2$hnb$1...@news.albasani.net...
>> "Nancy Rudins" <nru...@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:PrGdnXU9O--ydpjW...@supernews.com...
>>> Michael Snyder wrote:
>>>>> "bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hdvs9k$2sc$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>>> Woo Hoo!!!
>>>> TINY DANCER SPECIAL!!!
>>> It was nice when she sid she hated us and she was leaving.
>> My god, do you never stop lying? Cite please?
>>
>> td/bella
>
> Will the 3 of you please kf one other. Or else play nice?

I *did* kf her! I only saw her "special" because Nancy replied to it!

JonesieCat

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Nov 20, 2009, 4:53:50 PM11/20/09
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"Michael Snyder" <msn...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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And if Nancy jumped off a cliff I suppose you'd sail off right behind her?

jc


Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Nov 20, 2009, 5:43:55 PM11/20/09
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On Nov 19, 7:19 pm, "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Will the 3 of you please kf one other. Or else play nice?
>
> jc<---net nanny extraordinaire and queen of the ng but only in my dreams,
> only in my rilly rilly BAD dreams I might add---> ;)

You're the group Nanny? I thought I was the group Nanny. Who put you
in charge? Oh... wait... cool beans, means I'm *not* the group
nanny.

Good Job!

<nodding head>

Doing *great* work!

<giggle>

bella

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One can only hope................
>
>


bella

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"JonesieCat" <jonesi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Back to the topic at hand, there was a custody hearing today for the child
of Kelly & the killer, who had been living with the killers parents.
Kelly's parents were given temporary custody, through the holidays and into
the new year. In the custody papers it was stated that the alleged killers
father, the child's grandfather, is suspected as having taken part in the
cover-up of the crime.


bella


bella

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Complete article at link:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6462034/

In the document, Kelly Morris' father and stepmother allege that in the
months prior to their daughter's disappearance that Scott Morris "engaged in
a pattern of emotional abuse directed toward Kelly and both of her
children."

It also cites an affidavit of an State Bureau of Investigation agent
claiming that Scott Morris had "punched holes in the wall during arguments
and once threw a computer out a window."

The Currins also state in their complaint that "the continued separation of
Haley from her sister Taylor is causing Haley substantial emotional
distress" and that Scott Morris had been uncooperative in helping his
daughter cope with the loss of their mother.


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Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Nov 20, 2009, 8:20:04 PM11/20/09
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On Nov 20, 5:09 pm, comadrejo <comadrejoa...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article <OdENm.56272$ze1.9...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Michael Snyder" <msny...@sonic.net> wrote in message
> >news:4b061221$0$2003$742e...@news.sonic.net...
> > > JonesieCat wrote:
> > >> "bella" <tinydancer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:he4qh2$hnb$1...@news.albasani.net...
> > >>> "Nancy Rudins" <nrud...@att.net> wrote in message

> > >>>news:PrGdnXU9O--ydpjW...@supernews.com...
> > >>>> Michael Snyder wrote:
> > >>>>>> "bella" <tinydancer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > >>>>>>news:hdvs9k$2sc$1...@news.albasani.net...
> > >>>>> Woo Hoo!!!
> > >>>>> TINY DANCER SPECIAL!!!
> > >>>> It was nice when she sid she hated  us and she was leaving.
> > >>> My god, do you never stop lying?  Cite please?
>
> > >>> td/bella
>
> > >> Will the 3 of you please kf one other. Or else play nice?
>
> > > I *did* kf her!  I only saw her "special" because Nancy replied to it!
>
> > And if Nancy jumped off a cliff I suppose you'd sail off right behind her?
>
>  Yes, but he would stress for the record that a feminist made him jump.

I have to apologize, but this made me laugh.

JonesieCat

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Nov 20, 2009, 9:25:20 PM11/20/09
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"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Good Job!

<nodding head>

Doing *great* work!

<giggle>
---------
The real alleged nanny is Linda. And she's rilly rilly RILLY good at it. But
mostly does grammar only. And low set ears, which Poe has also taken to
noticing lately too. None of that's nannying though is it, not really.

Okay, tag, YOU'RE IT!

jc---->scurrying to hide behind computer
heeee

JonesieCat

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Nov 20, 2009, 10:40:42 PM11/20/09
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"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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---
lol! Don't apologise.

(C'mon MS, even you have to admit this is an amusing remark.)

jc


JonesieCat

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Nov 20, 2009, 10:41:45 PM11/20/09
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"bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes, there were all those phone calls between his father and him on the
fateful night.

jc


JonesieCat

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Nov 20, 2009, 10:45:23 PM11/20/09
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"bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Can't imagine what it would be like for any of the children of mothers
murdered by fathers. The guy who was in LE, Drew Peterson - that's him,
right? He had a number of kids by women he allegedly murdered. How must life
be for them, I wonder?

I suppose Nicole Brown's children made it through. I guess they loved their
father (despite some very public fights), still love their father.

jc


Nancy Rudins

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Nov 21, 2009, 2:31:26 PM11/21/09
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bella wrote:
> "Nancy Rudins" <nru...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:PrGdnXU9O--ydpjW...@supernews.com...
>> Michael Snyder wrote:
>>>> "bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:hdvs9k$2sc$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>> Woo Hoo!!!
>>> TINY DANCER SPECIAL!!!
>> It was nice when she sid she hated us and she was leaving.
>
>
>
> My god, do you never stop lying? Cite please?
>
>
>
> td/bella
>

* From: "bella" <tinydancer357@xxxxxxxxxxx>
* Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:51:08 -0400


"auswendy" <asif@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Hester Mofet" <HesterNOSPAMmofet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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In article <4a7fb796.5460953@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Bart Bailey
<me2@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In Message-ID:<7e9povF2ecg1tU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> posted
on Mon, 10 Aug
2009 00:33:25 -0500, Chocolic wrote: Begin


"Bart Bailey" <me2@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Don't know if this has been posted yet:
http://tinyurl.com/Faces-of-Serial-Killers


Can't open the link.

Chocolic


Works OK here.
Try it without the URL shortener;


http://www.life.com/image/first/in-gallery/31802/the-many-faces-of-serial-kill
ers
Just checked, that way works too.

What's sad is how many I recognized without the captions. Note
to self:

Hester Mofet


LOL same here -

Aus Wendy

As an aside, someone who used to post here, you probably won't remember them
because they became disillusioned a long time ago and never made much of a
mark *here*, is attempting to get a crime group moving, in another venue.
If any one is interested, email me at the addy I use here, or my other one
if you have it, and I'll tell you more.


td/bella


Nancy Rudins

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Nov 21, 2009, 2:31:52 PM11/21/09
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No lies. See response.

Nancy Rudins

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Nov 21, 2009, 2:33:07 PM11/21/09
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How humane of you.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Nov 21, 2009, 2:37:00 PM11/21/09
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On Nov 20, 7:25 pm, "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnabus1...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:d7db68a3-d34d-4024...@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

Ahhhh, but one can*not* give it away. It can only be "taken upon
oneself". So... Enjoy the nannying. mwahahaha

Was it Linda who noticed the low set ears? I remember reading Poe
talking about it, and thought she was the one who came up with it.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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On Nov 21, 12:31 pm, Nancy Rudins <nrud...@att.net> wrote:
> bella wrote:
> > "Nancy Rudins" <nrud...@att.net> wrote in message

> >news:PrGdnXU9O--ydpjW...@supernews.com...
> >> Michael Snyder wrote:
> >>>> "bella" <tinydancer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> http://www.life.com/image/first/in-gallery/31802/the-many-faces-of-se...

>              ers
>              Just checked, that way works too.
>
>          What's sad is how many I recognized without the captions. Note
> to self:
>
>          Hester Mofet
>
>      LOL same here -
>
>      Aus Wendy
>
> As an aside, someone who used to post here, you probably won't remember them
> because they became disillusioned a long time ago and never made much of a
> mark *here*, is attempting to get a crime group moving, in another venue.
> If any one is interested, email me at the addy I use here, or my other one
> if you have it, and I'll tell you more.
>
> td/bella

Nancy, she didn't say she hated anyone (only that someone else became
disillusioned), she never said she was leaving, only that there was
another group.

I know this argument has been going for a very long time, and I know
there are some "between the lines" things that many of us wouldn't
pick up on.

I'm still trying to figure out what a TD "special" is. Is it a dead
woman, with her husband/boyfriend (who was the original suspect)
arrested? Is it female victims? Or is it a post, made by TD about a
female victim? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm seriously
asking.

JonesieCat

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Nov 21, 2009, 6:02:48 PM11/21/09
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"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Smokie Darling (Annie)
---
I thought it was Linda who first brought ears to posting attention long time
ago, and since too. Could be wrong. Maybe she stole the observation from
Poe. Whoever it was, I can't look at Daniel Craig without seeing mostly
ears. His kind lop over at the top, making them seem low set ya ask me.

jc


Poe

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Nov 21, 2009, 6:06:40 PM11/21/09
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My ears were ringing so I decided to read here, and don'tcha know, you
mentioned my ear comments. Weird!

Anyway, supposedly ears are low set if the top of them is below the
eyes, or something like that. Low-set ears can often mean trouble.

Kris Baker

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"JonesieCat" <jonesi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> ---
> I thought it was Linda who first brought ears to posting attention long
> time ago, and since too. Could be wrong. Maybe she stole the observation
> from Poe. Whoever it was, I can't look at Daniel Craig without seeing
> mostly ears. His kind lop over at the top, making them seem low set ya ask
> me.
>
> jc

Yes, it was Linda who first brought up strange ears.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/da28062d858029ac?hl=en

I JoJoz replied ;)

Kris

Poe

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Nov 21, 2009, 6:24:30 PM11/21/09
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Nooo nobody stole it, it's a symptom of a certain type of birth defect
or mental retardation. You see it a lot in some of these deviants.

Poe

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No disrespect to Linda, but nobody on a.t-c came up with it - it has
been mentioned for a long time, going back to at least the 1990s,
probably before.

JonesieCat

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"Kris Baker" <paralle...@ggmail.com> wrote in message
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That thread was a blast from the past. You were JoJoz?!

jc


Smokie Darling (Annie)

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On Nov 21, 4:31 pm, Poe <haun...@terrible-thought.com> wrote:
> Kris Baker wrote:
>
> > "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

I think we were discussing who brought it up in atc though. Alot of
things are "out there", that we've all heard, and presume that others
know, but until it's actually posted... I'd never heard the ear
thing, until I read something you posted a couple of years ago (when I
first began reading here, but not posting). I never thought it was
made up by someone here.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Nov 21, 2009, 6:39:22 PM11/21/09
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..but, but, but... we were talking nice about you <smile>.

I remember reading a post you'd made about that, and just presumed
that you had started the trend of using it here. Not that it really
matters <grin>. Glad to see you back.

JonesieCat

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Nov 21, 2009, 6:42:13 PM11/21/09
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"Poe" <hau...@terrible-thought.com> wrote in message
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I thought it came up around the time little (10yo?) Eric Smith murdered the
4yo boy in the woods, which was in the late 90s I think. The link Kris
posted is a thread that talks about that older case. And I thought it was
indeed Linda who brought it up way back then (time of that crime),
regardless of the factual issue about ears being a sign of whatever. No?

jc

jc


Poe

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I was just joking actually, about ringing ears, and ears in general. If
we were talking about itchy noses I'd say something goofy about kissing
a fool. I think what I bring to the table are retarded jokes no one
thinks are funny :-P If I could only cash in on being lame, I'd be rich!

Poe

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Probably. I misunderstood the question to be where the original notion
came from. I take it all back.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Nov 21, 2009, 7:12:59 PM11/21/09
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oh but I did think it was funny (hence the smile in the brackets). My
mom always said that if your ears ring, someone is saying/thinking
something nasty/mean about you, so I said we were being nice. I
remember the one about noses too. Silly jokes are fun, and I can use
them on my granddaughter, which is always cool.

:-P If I could only cash in on being lame, I'd be rich!

you and me both, Poe, you and me both.

Kris Baker

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"JonesieCat" <jonesi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Nope. I've always been me. I thought you wre JoJoz, maybe.

Kris

Kris Baker

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"JonesieCat" <jonesi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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We were talking about "who first brought ears to posting attention"
here, which is what I pointed out. No one was saying that anyone
here was the first person in the universe to mention it.

Kris

Michael Snyder

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Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote:

> I'm still trying to figure out what a TD "special" is.

Man accused of something horrible, woman or child victim.

Linda Griffith

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"Kris Baker" <paralle...@ggmail.com> wrote in message
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>

I must say I'm enjoying this thread, and I appreciate all the comments that
mention me!

Yes, I noticed low-set ears sometime back, but mainly because a Navy doctor
at Balboa Hospital "accused" my 1 1/2 month-old lovely, sweet, beautiful,
and perfectly normal son [in I.Q. and in every other way] of having "low-set
ears." I had never heard any reference to low-set ears, but it made MY ears
"perk up" and I asked, "Are you checking him for brain damage???" The Dr.
said, "We're checking him for everything." I had him at Balboa Hospital
because he had projectile vomiting, and he was losing weight, even after
having gained a little bit from his birth-rate. ("Failure to thrive.") As
it turned out, he had Pyloric Stenosis, and the surgery fixed him right up!
However, once that doctor mentioned "low-set ears", I couldn't help but
check the ears of everybody I saw for awhile. My son's ears are not
low-set; but since I've been "attuned" to that, I do tend to notice ears
"more than the average bear", I imagine.

Just yesterday or the day before, someone mentioned low-set ears on a
teenaged girl accused of a horrific crime. In response (or maybe it was in
the same post), someone mentioned the red-headed boy who killed another
child several years ago, and he's still in prison. (I've forgotten his
name, but you all know the one I mean.) Anyway, I didn't think the girl had
particularly low-set ears. However, sometime back, I mentioned what I saw
as a tendency of those on the "Ten Most Wanted" lists to have low-set ears;
and another poster suggested that it was because people having a mug-shot
taken usually look a bit upward. I hadn't thought of that; but once I paid
attention, I think that's a very good possibility: the person looks upward,
and that causes his ears to appear "low-set." Of course, that wasn't the
case with the red-headed boy. The tops of his ears turned downward, and
they might have been low-set, as well.

Linda

Kris Baker

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"Linda Griffith" <grif...@charter.net> wrote in message
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My brother had pyloric stenosis, too -- and back in 1951, stomach
surgery on a six-week-old was horrific. I guess now, they fix it
with a scope.

I've looked, but can't find a picture of Sam Manzie (who killed the
11-year-old boy Eddie Werner)....or maybe it was Kip Kinkel (except
his ears don't look whacked).

Kris

Linda Griffith

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"Kris Baker" <paralle...@ggmail.com> wrote in message
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> My brother had pyloric stenosis, too -- and back in 1951, stomach
> surgery on a six-week-old was horrific. I guess now, they fix it
> with a scope.
>
> I've looked, but can't find a picture of Sam Manzie (who killed the
> 11-year-old boy Eddie Werner)....or maybe it was Kip Kinkel (except
> his ears don't look whacked).
>
> Kris

No, the one I was thinking of was Eric Smith. Old picture and article here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/10/48hours/main660314.shtml It's
long, but I found it quite interesting.

Linda

Chocolic

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"JonesieCat" <jonesi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Yesiree brought it up on atc back in 1997 in a discussion of "signs you are
a serial killer" and it's been discussed and noticed by many atc'ers on and
off over the years since then.

Eric Smith was a prime example of the low ears. Cripes he was a strange
looking kid. I often notice strange foreheads on serious criminals before
the ears.

chocolic

Kris Baker

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"Linda Griffith" <grif...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Oh, yeah. That's the face I remember...and forget, forget, forget the
name. I'm usually such a detail-magnet, but I can't absorb "Eric
Smith".

We go through this every time, don't we? ;)

Eric Smith. Robie. I edited Smith's wikipedia page to include "low-set
ears".
Mebbe we can remember that in the future.

Kris
>

Linda Griffith

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"Kris Baker" <paralle...@ggmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Linda Griffith" <grif...@charter.net> wrote in message
>> No, the one I was thinking of was Eric Smith. Old picture and article
>> here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/10/48hours/main660314.shtml
>> It's long, but I found it quite interesting.
>>
>> Linda
>
> Oh, yeah. That's the face I remember...and forget, forget, forget the
> name. I'm usually such a detail-magnet, but I can't absorb "Eric
> Smith".
>
> We go through this every time, don't we? ;)
>
> Eric Smith. Robie. I edited Smith's wikipedia page to include
> "low-set ears".
> Mebbe we can remember that in the future.
>
> Kris


You're right! I never can remember his name, either; but I can almost
always "see" his face. I had to Google it! I think I typed in something
like, "Red-headed child murderer + low-set ears."

Linda

Poe

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So anyway, Eric Smith is the person I said I thought Alyssa Bustamante
resembled. No idea if anyone agrees.

Chocolic

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"Poe" <hau...@terrible-thought.com> wrote in message
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I do agree. She has that same lost cool look in her eyes.

Chocolic

Nancy Rudins

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> bella wrote:
>> "JonesieCat" <jonesi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:OdENm.56272$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> "Michael Snyder" <msn...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4b061221$0$2003$742e...@news.sonic.net...
>>>> JonesieCat wrote:
>>>>> "bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:he4qh2$hnb$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>> "Nancy Rudins" <nru...@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:PrGdnXU9O--ydpjW...@supernews.com...
>>>>>>> Michael Snyder wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:hdvs9k$2sc$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>>>> Woo Hoo!!!
>>>>>>>> TINY DANCER SPECIAL!!!
>>>>>>> It was nice when she sid she hated us and she was leaving.
>>>>>> My god, do you never stop lying? Cite please?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> td/bella
>>>>> Will the 3 of you please kf one other. Or else play nice?
>>>> I *did* kf her! I only saw her "special" because Nancy replied to it!
>>> And if Nancy jumped off a cliff I suppose you'd sail off right behind
>>> her?
>>>
>>> jc
>>
>>
>> One can only hope................

I have never hoped for harm to come to you.


--
Illinois: where our governors make our license plates.
nru...@att.net

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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In other words, most of the more horrific crimes?

<snark>

Smokie Darling (Annie)

Michael Snyder

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AAMOF, no. 85% of violent crime victims are adult males.
Tiny picks a small minority of crimes and seeks out as many
examples as she can, in a deliberate effort to make them seem
more common.

Oh yes, and women do manage to commit a few, too. ;-)

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:42:17 PM11/22/09
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Did you really think I was being serious?

Michael Snyder

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:14:38 PM11/22/09
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No, I thought you were offering me an opportunity. ;-)

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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On Nov 22, 12:14 pm, Michael Snyder <msny...@sonic.net> wrote:
> Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote:
> > On Nov 22, 10:44 am, Michael Snyder <msny...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >> Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote:
> >>> On Nov 21, 5:59 pm, Michael Snyder <msny...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >>>> Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote:
> >>>>> I'm still trying to figure out what a TD "special" is.  
> >>>> Man accused of something horrible, woman or child victim.
> >>> In other words, most of the more horrific crimes?
> >>> <snark>
> >> AAMOF, no.  85% of violent crime victims are adult males.
> >> Tiny picks a small minority of crimes and seeks out as many
> >> examples as she can, in a deliberate effort to make them seem
> >> more common.
>
> >> Oh yes, and women do manage to commit a few, too.   ;-)
>
> > Did you really think I was being serious?
>
> No, I thought you were offering me an opportunity.  ;-)

Ahhh, that explains it. Thanks :D

Michael Snyder

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Well Tiny is just not a very nice person, eh?

Nancy Rudins

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I've known her true colors for some time now.

Chocolic

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"Nancy Rudins" <nru...@att.net> wrote in message
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A few of us have.

Chocolic

Nancy Rudins

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One of the most shallow persons I've come across.

Nancy

M

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Nov 24, 2009, 5:13:28 PM11/24/09
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On Nov 24, 1:35 pm, Nancy Rudins <nrud...@att.net> wrote:
> Chocolic wrote:
>
> > "Nancy Rudins" <nrud...@att.net> wrote in message
> >news:x7GdnfeLm8r_p5fW...@supernews.com...
>

> >>>>>> One can only hope................
>
> >>>> I have never hoped for harm to come to you.
>
> >>> Well Tiny is just not a very nice person, eh?
>
> >> I've known her true colors for some time now.

> > A few of us have.

> One of the most shallow persons I've come across.


[note: attributions all messed up. Sorry]

I have to say, kind of in Tiny's defense: Most of us treu crime
watchers are a bit shallow, vindictive, voyaristic anyhow. Maybe
summarized up by "gossipy" (and not in the good sense of the word.)

Mick

Michael Snyder

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That does not summarize Tiny at all.

JonesieCat

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"M" <mc...@pitt.edu> wrote in message
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Mick
---------
I think it's a bit 'off', our fascination with tc, with the specifics of
particular crimes and the speculations, and frequent discusson of such very
gory details. I don't know of anywhere else where just about any remark or
observation or theory about specific crimes or criminal acts (etc) is
welcome. Yes, it does have that 'gossipy' thing going on, but I disagree
about 'not in the good sense' - I think it IS good. Shallow? Whu - yeahhh.
So what? Then again, sometimes it spreads out into deep waters too.

jc


M

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On Nov 24, 6:22 pm, "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Shallow? Whu - yeahhh.
> So what?

That made me laugh aloud.

Mick

Poe

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Nov 24, 2009, 6:33:45 PM11/24/09
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I am totally not shallow. For one thing I am good looking and really
popular. My hair is the perfect shade of blonde, and my clothes are
really cool. And I am not voyeuristic, either - I don't have to seek out
opportunities, as I have my telescope trained on the window of that hot
couple next door. And I never gossip to anyone who doesn't express the
correct level of interest to begin with.

M

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Nov 24, 2009, 6:47:11 PM11/24/09
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On Nov 24, 6:33 pm, Poe <haun...@terrible-thought.com> wrote:
> M wrote:

> > I have to say, kind of in Tiny's defense:  Most of us treu crime
> > watchers are a bit shallow, vindictive, voyaristic anyhow.  Maybe
> > summarized up by "gossipy"  (and not in the good sense of the word.)
>
> > Mick
>
> I am totally not shallow. For one thing I am good looking and really
> popular. My hair is the perfect shade of blonde, and my clothes are
> really cool. And I am not voyeuristic, either - I don't have to seek out
> opportunities, as I have my telescope trained on the window of that hot
> couple next door. And I never gossip to anyone who doesn't express the

> correct level of interest to begin with.-

Madam Poe,

Bravo!

You are clearly too sexy for your car.

Mick

JonesieCat

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"Poe" <hau...@terrible-thought.com> wrote in message
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lol!!!


JonesieCat

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"M" <mc...@pitt.edu> wrote in message
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Mick
---
:DDD


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JonesieCat

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"Msg. Scooter" <monsigno...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On , , Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:28:48 -0600, Re: Net Nannies (was Re: UPDATE:
> Wesley Dodd had low ears as well.
>
> --

Link please?


bella

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"JonesieCat" <jonesi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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IIRC, Wesley Dodd was a child molestor/killer in Washington state.

Yes, here is the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westley_Allan_Dodd
>
>


JonesieCat

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"bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Thx. Never heard of him before. The pic at link didn't look like low-set
ears IMHO.
jc


Nancy Rudins

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I put the "low ears" theory in the same category as phrenology.

JonesieCat

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"Nancy Rudins" <nru...@att.net> wrote in message
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Maybe you do, but a quick google search lists many sites that include low
set ears as symptomatic of a number of maladies.

jc


Nancy Rudins

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Yes, I've seen the low set years as symptomatic of other physical
maladies. But it certainly can't be a predictor of criminal behavior.
Have studies been done on noncriminals who also have low-set ears?
Many, many murderers do not have low-set ears. Richard Speck, Ted
Bundy, Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bianchi, just off the top of my head.
There are probably a lot more.

Greg Goss

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Nov 30, 2009, 9:46:19 AM11/30/09
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Nancy Rudins <nru...@att.net> wrote:

>Yes, I've seen the low set years as symptomatic of other physical
>maladies. But it certainly can't be a predictor of criminal behavior.
>Have studies been done on noncriminals who also have low-set ears?
>Many, many murderers do not have low-set ears. Richard Speck, Ted
>Bundy, Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bianchi, just off the top of my head.
>There are probably a lot more.

Is it associated with any of the standard impulse disorder syndromes,
like fetal alcohol syndrome?
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27

JonesieCat

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"Nancy Rudins" <nru...@att.net> wrote in message
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It isn't limited to physical abnormalities. I don't believe anyone here
concluded that low set ears were symptomatic of murderers, but of a subclass
of same perhaps.

jc


bella

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"Greg Goss" <go...@gossg.org> wrote in message
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IIRC, Eric Smith's mother was on a strong medication during her pregnancy
and it was suggested that the low set ears was a suspected result of the
meds.


Nancy Rudins

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Nov 30, 2009, 2:35:06 PM11/30/09
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Okay. It just seemed to me a strange thing to notice. The
discussions above didn't mention, say, fetal alcohol syndrome
or other causes of low set ears. Just low set ears. But I
agree, it's just a subclass of the set of murderers, just as
any other physical characteristics like blue eyes would be
categorized as a subset of the class of murderers.

JonesieCat

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"bella" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't know much about it, generally, other than a quick google search that
mentioned various alternative diagnoses which include not only low set ears,
but other ear conditions in lists of symptoms. It has been interesting to me
to read posters here who observe the phenomenon and speculate about whether
it might be indicative of one or more diseases or syndromes. Congenital
conditions especially interest me. My inferrence from my fellow posters
(sister posters? ;)) is that there may possibly be a predisposition in some
tiny subset of these folks toward behavioural problems? At the same time,
I'm inclined to think nuture may have more to do with it - or - is it maybe
a combination, with contributions from somewhere along one's double helix??

Now I've already said I think Daniel Craig (007) has funny ears. I wouldn't
include him in that tiny subset for example. Though perhaps he is poorly
behaved for all I know. :D

jc


M

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On Nov 30, 5:19 pm, "JonesieCat" <jonesiecac...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Now I've already said I think Daniel Craig (007) has funny ears. I wouldn't
> include him in that tiny subset for example.

It's different if you get your license?

JonesieCat

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"M" <mc...@pitt.edu> wrote in message
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----------
Can't believe it took me a sec to get that! hahaha!
jc


Chocolic

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"Nancy Rudins" <nru...@att.net> wrote in message
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What about the middle name of "Wayne". Do you guys think growing up with
that middle name causes you to want to murder people, or is that a subclass
of the set of murderers, or is it because of some flaw in the genes of the
parents that have a propensity to like that name Wayne and give it to their
son and then beat the crap out of him because of it?

Chocolic <grin>

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Michael Snyder

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Msg. Scooter wrote:
> On , , Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:19:12 GMT, Re: Net Nannies (was Re: UPDATE: Skeletal

> remains...), "JonesieCat" <jonesi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know much about it, generally, other than a quick google search that
>> mentioned various alternative diagnoses which include not only low set ears,
>> but other ear conditions in lists of symptoms. It has been interesting to me
>> to read posters here who observe the phenomenon and speculate about whether
>> it might be indicative of one or more diseases or syndromes. Congenital
>> conditions especially interest me. My inferrence from my fellow posters
>> (sister posters? ;))
>
> The feminine genitive of fellow is felless.

Not fellatrix? >;-)

JonesieCat

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"Msg. Scooter" <monsigno...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On , , Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:19:12 GMT, Re: Net Nannies (was Re: UPDATE:
> Skeletal

> remains...), "JonesieCat" <jonesi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I don't know much about it, generally, other than a quick google search
>>that
>>mentioned various alternative diagnoses which include not only low set
>>ears,
>>but other ear conditions in lists of symptoms. It has been interesting to
>>me
>>to read posters here who observe the phenomenon and speculate about
>>whether
>>it might be indicative of one or more diseases or syndromes. Congenital
>>conditions especially interest me. My inferrence from my fellow posters
>>(sister posters? ;))
>
> The feminine genitive of fellow is felless.
>
> --

It IS? Oh dear. What would the plural be I wonder? No no, that is one word I
never see myself using. ('Sister' was an allusion to another thread.)

jc


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