Book on the Sam Manzie case?
Kris Baker
Coyote wrote in message <7hvngusi5ptfe66bg...@4ax.com>...
>I saw a segment on Discovery tonight, about the boy who was molested,
>and then in turn raped and murdered a boy in his neighborhood. I seem
>to remember a book about the case, but not the title/author. Can
>anyone help?
>
>--
>Coyote
Google is your friend.
http://crimemagazine.com/CrimeBooks/bookem.htm
Kris
JLEMC
>>and then in turn raped and murdered a boy in his neighborhood.
Do you know if that segment will be reaired and when? I teach in the same town
that this happened in so I am familiar with the case, been by Manzie's and
Werner's house.
tiny dancer
"Coyote" <sas...@lunch.com> wrote in message
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> jl...@aol.com (JLEMC) decided to stand up and say:
> always with the TV Guide description "The effect of murder on families
> is explored." I'm sure it will be reaired, but I don't know when.
> Along with the Manzies case, also included was Barbara Walters
> interviewing the sister of Kip Kinkle, who killed his parents and then
> shot up his school, and whose sis still loves him dearly; and a father
> in law enforcement whose young son received the death penalty for a
> double murder after dad insisted they go to the cops with a
> confession.
>
> One thing that really got my attention about the Manzie case was how
> molestation sometimes affects many more people than just the victim.
> In this instance, two families have been destroyed (Sam's, and Sam's
> victim's) and a life was lost, all because some sick pervert couldn't
> keep his hands off little Sam. A sick pervert who was sentenced to
> five years in prison for his deeds.
>
> It's an hour well-spent, this is at least the second time I've watched
> it. If I see it listed again I'll try to remember to post the
> date/time.
I know, that got to me too, the asshole who started this whole event got a
lousy five years. And that idiot judge who refused to commit the Manzie
boy, what ever happened to him?? What a shit for brains he was.
td
>
>
>
> --
> Coyote
>
> "I do wish we could chat longer, but I'm having an old
> friend for dinner." -- Hannibal Lector, "The Silence of
> the Lambs"
Linda Griffith
(I get so confused!) Is Sam Manzie the little boy (oh, about 12 or 13 years
old), whose ears were misshapen? In whatever case had the boy with the
misshapen ears, I seem to remember that the ears possibly reflected some
kind of aberration or mental problem. Am I completely off on this one?
Linda
Jojoz
"Linda Griffith" <grif...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Linda,
That's not the same boy, but I know which one you're talking about. Can't
remember his name tho! He was a redheaded boy right? Didn't look like he
could harm a flea, but he killed a small child, can't remember if it was a
little boy or girl, but I think it was a little boy ... will try to remember
unless someone else can.
Jojoz
crosem
some mental problem...
"Jojoz" <jojozisme@yahoo(spamblock).com> wrote in message
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Jojoz
"crosem" <cro...@flash.net> wrote in message
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> yes, now I remember, just a little. the sticking out ears were a symptom
of
> some mental problem...
>
Yes that's the one..... and I still haven't found anything. Hope someone can
remember a name or state or city or something. All the google searches I did
on misshapened/deformed ears with murderer or killer come up empty ..
Jojoz
Kris Baker
"crosem" <cro...@flash.net> wrote in message
>news:NzaP8.1639$RM1.66...@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
> yes, now I remember, just a little. the sticking out ears were a symptom
>of some mental problem...
Strange ears have been a factor in a few of the school shootings
(shooter Williams in Santee CA, Kip Kinkel). I can't find anything
about mental aberrations related to strange ears, but I do find
references some school shooters being teased about having
big ears.
Chicken or egg?
Kris
Jojoz
"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote in message
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Yup, I remember hearing about those too ...but this one boy's ears were
severly bent at the top, very noticeable. Do you know which one we're trying
to remember the name of the boy? I really wish I could remember some of the
details, it wasn't htat long ago so it should be documented online
somewhere.
Jojoz
tiny dancer
"Jojoz" <jojozisme@yahoo(spamblock).com> wrote in message
>
> "crosem" <cro...@flash.net> wrote in message
> news:NzaP8.1639$RM1.66...@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
> > yes, now I remember, just a little. the sticking out ears were a
symptom
> of
> > some mental problem...
> >
>
> Yes that's the one..... and I still haven't found anything. Hope someone
can
> remember a name or state or city or something. All the google searches I
did
> on misshapened/deformed ears with murderer or killer come up empty ..
>
> Jojoz
I don't remember his name, but I think it was in upstate N.Y., he killed
that little boy who was walking a short distance to the park, to a play
program or teeball, something at the park.
td
Jojoz
"tiny dancer" <tinyda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jojoz" <jojozisme@yahoo(spamblock).com> wrote in message
> news:SOaP8.38455$3R2.1...@news1.west.cox.net...
> >
> > "crosem" <cro...@flash.net> wrote in message
> > news:NzaP8.1639$RM1.66...@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
> > > yes, now I remember, just a little. the sticking out ears were a
> symptom
> > of
> > > some mental problem...
> > >
> >
> > Yes that's the one..... and I still haven't found anything. Hope someone
> can
> > remember a name or state or city or something. All the google searches I
> did
> > on misshapened/deformed ears with murderer or killer come up empty ..
> >
> > Jojoz
>
>
> I don't remember his name, but I think it was in upstate N.Y., he killed
> that little boy who was walking a short distance to the park, to a play
> program or teeball, something at the park.
>
> td
>
Yup! that's the one....he got him in the woods I believe ona path that runs
thru behind the houses or something..
thanks td
Jojoz
tiny dancer
"Jojoz" <jojozisme@yahoo(spamblock).com> wrote in message
Yeah, and I can picture that kid perfectly, but can't for the life of me get
an angle on his name, little kid, red hair, face full of freckles. I think
his grandpa was retired LE or something.
td
Kris Baker
Jojoz wrote in message <39bP8.38580$3R2.1...@news1.west.cox.net>...
I keep thinking it IS Sam Manzie but I don't think so:
http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/viewpoint/smanzie.jpg
It's not Kip Kinkel (I found him)...it could be Williams in Santee
(teased for his ears)....I can't even find one of those pages with
photos of infamous school shooters (surely, someone put one
up!)
Kris
Annie RUtahkn2Me
>Jojoz wrote in message
This red haired boy was only about 11 or 12. He looked younger and totally
cute and harmless, but his facial expression always seemed blank.
I think he killed the little boy by hitting him with a large rock.
No guns or knives were involved. Nor any sexual assault if I remember
correctly.
Annie RU
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Please go to: http://panda.care2.com/
Jojoz
I know it's not Andy Williams, Santee is the next town over from me and my
oldest son actually knew Andy at the skatepark ....passing acquaintances
mostly, but they did speak on occasion. This boy we're talking about is
about 11 or 12 yrs old (at the time of the murder) ...
Jojoz
Jojoz
"tiny dancer"
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't remember his name, but I think it was in upstate N.Y., he
killed
> > > that little boy who was walking a short distance to the park, to a
play
> > > program or teeball, something at the park.
> > >
> > > td
> > >
> >
> > Yup! that's the one....he got him in the woods I believe ona path that
> runs
> > thru behind the houses or something..
> >
> > thanks td
> >
> > Jojoz
>
>
> Yeah, and I can picture that kid perfectly, but can't for the life of me
get
> an angle on his name, little kid, red hair, face full of freckles. I
think
> his grandpa was retired LE or something.
>
> td
> >
Yup, that's the one....now....what is his name!????? lol
Jojoz
Kris Baker
Jojoz wrote in message ...
This. Is. Driving. Me. Nuts.
I keep looking, put in all the keywords, and all I get is insipid
internet fiction.
Kris
Firefly192
>Yup, that's the one....now....what is his name!????? lol
Hi everybody-- Steph here... I haven't been here in awhile but I came to read
about the Smart case and started reading other stuff, and, well... I did a
little search on "red hair ears killed" in Google and the name Eric Smith
(Killer)/Derek(or Derrick) Robie (Victim) popped out, but I'm not sure it's the
right case... Here are the pertinent excerpts from the pertinent posts-- It's a
trip down memory lane, if nothing else:
From: NobHillSF (nobh...@aol.com)
Subject: JBR: Sure, Burke could have done it
Date: 1997/03/14
In another similar case, CBS 48 Hours last year concentrated on one recentcase
from somewhere here in the U.S. where a boy of ten or so (I can'trecall the
details too well, beyond seeing the flaming red hair andfreckles on this kid)
lured a neighboring little boy into the woods andbeat him, molested him cruelly
(foreign objects, etc. -- as bad or worsethan the JBR stuff), and then killed
him. Very nasty, and all from asweet little boy who had exhibited no violent
tendencies. Before hefinally broke down and confessed weeks later, the town
had searched andsearched for the "real killer" of the little boy....
..........................................................................
.....................
From: Joe1orbit (joe1...@aol.com)
Subject: 13 y.o.murderer Eric Smith: killed a 4 y.o.in 1993,update on the case
Date: 1997/09/01
Eric Smith, now 17, was convicted of murder and sent to prison for nineyears to
life. Attorney Kevin Bradley maintains now he presented a flawedinsanity
defense, denying the troubled teen a fair trial. <SNIP> The jury cast aside
defense arguments that Eric was not criminallyresponsible because he suffered
from ``intermittent explosive disorder,''characterized by uncontrollable
violent impulses. Eric choked the preschooler, stuffed a paper towel and a
plastic lunch bagin his mouth and crushed his skull with a 26-pound rock. He
sodomized thebody with a stick. Psychiatrists agreed he suffers from
developmental abnormalities broughton by his mother's use of a risky
anti-epileptic drug while pregnant. Theydiffered, however, on whether Eric has
a dangerous disorder.
.........................................................................
From: Captive964 (capti...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: OUR TRUE CRIME INTERESTS (was Re: Dysfunctional Newsgroup?)
Date: 1998/02/18
A few years ago there was a case that made the national news. They had pickedup
a kid, no more than ten, for the murder of a classmate. The kid was anaverage,
red headed, freckled face mischievous looking youth. He picked a kidfrom his
school whom he didn't like because the kid was fat. He lured him tothe woods
and beat him to death with either a baseball bat or a log ( I can'tremember
which). When asked why he did it, the boy replied "Because I wanted toknow what
it was like to kill someone."
..........................................................
From: N.A.F. McNelly (nmcn...@bu.edu)
I remember that one very well, as it happened near the town where myparents
live, and commanded a lot of newsprint in the local paper.The child looked tiny
standing between the officers of the court.The most arresting thing for me in
this case was that, needless to say,all manner of psychologists were called in
to find out "what waswrong with him." It was assumed that he must have been
abused orhad some sort of brain dysfunction. They tried hard, but couldn't
find anything that was far enough from the norm to "explain" why he did.
..........................................................................
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From: darkstar (dark...@sky.net)
I respectfully disagree. The redhead kid was the one that had been madefun of
for his red hair and sticking out ears. The six-year-old was theso-called
"perfect" specimen with the advantages the redhead kid envied. We don't need to
look for "something in the water," but into the feelingsand if you want to call
it that, True Reality of the redhead kid. And ifyou want to call it that,
where Our Society failed the redhead kid.
.............................................
From: LITTLEPJoo (littl...@aol.com)
I thought the red haired kid killed a five year old. Correct me if I'm wrong.
..........................................................................
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From: MaryHedman (maryh...@aol.com)
Yes, and wasn't the 'official' explanation that the red-haired boy was
teasedfor being 'funny looking' and having ears that stuck out, so he killed
ayounger, 'more attractive' child?
.................................................................
From: Captive964 (capti...@aol.com)
You can respectfully disagree, but you are wrong if we are talking about
thesame case. I KNOW the other kid was fat.
...........................................................................
From: Babyface98 (Babyf...@juno.com)
This must be 2 different stories then, cause I agree with Darkstar. In theone
*I* saw, the red-headed kid had lots of freckles and he woreglasses..he was
teased a lot and he was jealous of this little boy that hekilled because the
little boy was cute and popular. The victim had gone topractice ball in a park
nearby (he walked there alone) that day and thered-headed kid was riding his
bike and told the victim something to get himto follow him into the woods. He
killed the little boy, shoved something upthe little boy's butt (a stick???)
and poured kool-aid on him.When the trail led back to the perp, his parents
willingly took him to thecops for questioning and told him to be
truthful....then the cops chargedhim with murder. The parents were talking
about it on Dateline I believe,and they said they would have *never* told him
to confess it all if theywould have known what the cops had in mind. The
parents thought because theboy was so young he wouldn't be charged with murder.
I can not remember theboy's name...I was trying to find the original story on
it. Anybody elseremember this story???
.......................................................................
From: LITTLEPJoo (littl...@aol.com)
I remember this case but why do I think the kid was younger than him?
Thechilling thing I remember about this case was the way he looked into the
camerawhen some news show did a spot on him.
...................................................................
From: Babyface98 (Babyf...@juno.com)
I think, you, me, and Darkstar *are* talking about a different case thanCaptive
first posted on. The red-headed boy in *our* story was Eric Smithhe was 14 yrs.
old, and his victim was Derek Robie who was 4 yrs. old. Ericended up getting 9
yrs. to life in prison. That's all of the info I couldfind on these 2. Did you
see the show on Dateline or do you remember?
.........................................................
From: grif...@ix.netcom.com (grif...@ix.netcom.com)
In this case (or one of these cases), did the tops of the murderer'sears turn
downwards somewhat, later explained as indicative of somemalady [that I don't
remember]?
.................................................................
From: DOG3 (do...@aol.com)
Subject: Eric Smith's new trial request denied
Date: 1998/04/03
Teen killer's new trial request deniedAssociated Press, 04/02/98 19:24
ROCHESTER, N.Y. (AP) - A federal judge turned down a request for a new trialfor
convicted teen-age killer Eric Smith after his attorney claimed Smith
wasrepresented by an incompetent lawyer during his trial. In a 35-page decision
released Thursday, U.S. District Court Judge DavidLarimer ruled the appeal from
Smith's new attorney, Felix Lapine, was ``notworthy of attention.'' Smith was
13 when he was arrested in the 1993 slaying of 4-year-old DerrickRobie. Smith
was convicted of second-degree murder and sent to prison for nineyears to life.
Prosecutors charged Smith bashed the preschooler's head with a 26-pound
rockafter luring him into woods near the Robies' home in the village of
Savona,about 63 miles south of Rochester. A jury rejected a claim by Smith's
first defense attorney, Kevin Bradley, thatthe teen was not criminally
responsible because he suffered from ``intermittentexplosive disorder,''
characterized by uncontrollable violent impulses. Bradley sought a new trial on
the basis that he had presented a flawed insanitydefense - an argument rejected
by the trial judge and a state appeals court. Lapine re-argued the same point
last month in front of Larimer, saying Bradleyadmitted in court papers ``he was
totally unfamiliar with the basic frameworkfor an insanity defense and that his
defense was therefore totallyineffective.''
..................................................................
Linda Griffith
http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/viewpoint/smanzie.jpg
>
> It's not Kip Kinkel (I found him)...it could be Williams in Santee
> (teased for his ears)....I can't even find one of those pages with
> photos of infamous school shooters (surely, someone put one
> up!)
>
> Kris
Nope. This boy's too old and his ears too normal; and I remember Kip Kinkel.
It wasn't Kip, either. A young boy with reddish hair, ears bent down at the
top.
Linda
Jojoz
"Firefly192" <firef...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020616232705...@mb-ch.aol.com...
> "Jojoz" jojozisme@yahoo(spamblock).com wrote:
> >Yup, that's the one....now....what is his name!????? lol
>
>
> Hi everybody-- Steph here... I haven't been here in awhile but I came to
read
> about the Smart case and started reading other stuff, and, well... I did
a
> little search on "red hair ears killed" in Google and the name Eric Smith
> (Killer)/Derek(or Derrick) Robie (Victim) popped out, but I'm not sure
it's the
> right case... Here are the pertinent excerpts from the pertinent posts--
It's a
> trip down memory lane, if nothing else:
>
YES!!!!!!! that's the one.....Thank you thank you thank you .... my Google
was about to spit at me I was trying so many different ways to search! LOL
Jojoz
Kris Baker
Firefly192 wrote in message <20020616232705...@mb-ch.aol.com>...
>"Jojoz" jojozisme@yahoo(spamblock).com wrote:
>>Yup, that's the one....now....what is his name!????? lol
>
>
>Hi everybody-- Steph here... I haven't been here in awhile but I came to
read
>about the Smart case and started reading other stuff, and, well... I did
a
>little search on "red hair ears killed" in Google and the name Eric Smith
>(Killer)/Derek(or Derrick) Robie (Victim) popped out, but I'm not sure it's
the
>right case... Here are the pertinent excerpts from the pertinent posts--
It's a
>trip down memory lane, if nothing else:
>
THANK YOU! That's the one!
Now....I still can't find an image of him :(
Kris
Jojoz
"Kris Baker"
> >
>
> THANK YOU! That's the one!
>
> Now....I still can't find an image of him :(
>
> Kris
>
>
I did!!! ...it's really small ....but it's him!
http://abcnews.go.com/media/us/images/apr_esmith.jpg
Jojoz
Kris Baker
Jojoz wrote in message ...
>
Hooray! You're absolutely right that's him! He's 22 now,
and probably looks even scarier.
Kris
Jojoz
I remember one of the news programs doing a show on the case, and thinking
to myself, dang, he doesn't LOOK like a kid that would be a killer (but then
again, who really does?) .. but he looked so "Opie-ish" to me.. I didn't
also think it happened that long ago, thought it was more recent...
Jojoz
Jojoz
"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote in message
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>
Well I did find a very recent article about him too. Denied parole
(thankfully) ....next hearing in 2004
http://www.yop.com/p/4a/8cd2d908c6e3.html
Jojoz
tiny dancer
"Jojoz" <jojozisme@yahoo(spamblock).com> wrote in message
Yup, that's him alright. It was a sad case.
td
>
>
>
tiny dancer
"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote in message
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>
22 already, wow............
td
>
>
>
>
tiny dancer
"Annie RUtahkn2Me" <rutah...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20020616230011...@mb-mp.aol.com...
I thought there was a sexual assault involved?? I thought I remembered the
kid clamming up everytime it was mentioned, but that there was some sort of
sexual aspect to it.
td
Linda Griffith
he just *looks* as if his name should be Sam Manzie. I wonder what he looks
like now. (Maybe a post farther down will have a current picture?)
Linda
>
>
Jojoz
Sodomized with a stick (or other object)
Jojoz
Firefly192
>>> THANK YOU! That's the one!
>>>
>>> Now....I still can't find an image of him :(
Jojoz wrote in message ...
>>I did!!! ...it's really small ....but it's him!
>>
>>http://abcnews.go.com/media/us/images/apr_esmith.jpg
"Kris Baker" kris....@prodigyy.net wrote:
>Hooray! You're absolutely right that's him! He's 22 now,
>and probably looks even scarier.
You were talking about his ears, and it reminded me of another post here from
years ago, about physical features of serial killers, and I was able to find
it-- I think I remember it because I'd never heard the term "sampuki eyes"
before. Here's the old post:
From: Yesirree (yesi...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Signs you are a serial killer
Date: 1997/12/20
I am not sure if you are looking for evidence that is empirical or deductive
then this certainly wont fit. If you are looking for anecdotal type info for
some reason or old wives tales here are some for serial killers: sampuki eyes
low set ears
convulsions in early life
sampuki eyes are eyes that show white on the bottom when the person is looking
straight foward.
Now I am sure there is no truth to these and please dont label someone with low
set ears as a serial killer. It is more likely that they have a genetic kidney
problem. However if you are looking for material for a book or something these
are as I said common "old wives tales" .
Jane Cactus
> > >Yup, I remember hearing about those too ...but this one boy's ears were
> > >severly bent at the top, very noticeable. Do you know which one we're
> > trying
> > >to remember the name of the boy? I really wish I could remember some of
> the
> > >details, it wasn't htat long ago so it should be documented online
> > >somewhere.
> > >
> > >Jojoz
> >
> >
> > I keep thinking it IS Sam Manzie but I don't think so:
> > http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/viewpoint/smanzie.jpg
> >
> > It's not Kip Kinkel (I found him)...it could be Williams in Santee
> > (teased for his ears)....I can't even find one of those pages with
> > photos of infamous school shooters (surely, someone put one
> > up!)
> >
> > Kris
>
>
> I know it's not Andy Williams, Santee is the next town over from me and my
> oldest son actually knew Andy at the skatepark ....passing acquaintances
> mostly, but they did speak on occasion. This boy we're talking about is
> about 11 or 12 yrs old (at the time of the murder) ...
>
> Jojoz
I haven't been following this thread - maybe this has nothing to do with
anything. So. There was a case several years ago in a semi-rural area, in
which a mom allowed her precocious 4 y.o. son to walk alone a couple of
blocks to his pre-school (she took huge flak for it afterwards), and it took
him near some woods in which a neighbor lurked. The neighbor boy lured the
little one into the woods and killed him. The killer was 11 or so with red
hair and very fair skin IIRC. For the life of me I can't remember any more
than that. Maybe somebody else can think of a name or location. IF this is
remotely connected to anything you guys are talking about. (Don't recall
nothin bout his ears tho.)
JC
Jane Cactus
"Jojoz" <jojozisme@yahoo(spamblock).com> wrote in message
Sorry for my unhelpful previous post. (I just read more of thread. That'll
teach me.) JC
formica63
Form.
Firefly192
>Steph!!
Hey, Formica! How ya doin'? (I loved reading about your nom de net-- and to
think I'd always assumed it was an homage to my neighbors' dinette set....)
Edified,
Steph-o
Linda Griffith
(yesi...@aol.com)
> Subject: Re: Signs you are a serial killer
> Date: 1997/12/20
>
> I am not sure if you are looking for evidence that is empirical or
deductive
> then this certainly wont fit. If you are looking for anecdotal type info
for
> some reason or old wives tales here are some for serial killers: sampuki
eyes
> low set ears
> convulsions in early life
> sampuki eyes are eyes that show white on the bottom when the person is
looking
> straight foward.
> Now I am sure there is no truth to these and please dont label someone
with low
> set ears as a serial killer. It is more likely that they have a genetic
kidney
> problem. However if you are looking for material for a book or something
these
> are as I said common "old wives tales" .
How very interesting (to me, anyway)! When my infant son had projectile
vomiting and the Navy doctor was trying to find any reason for it besides
Pyloric Stenosis (which it was), he asked, "Does anyone else in your family
have low-set ears?" I hadn't noticed that his were low-set, and I still
don't think they are. (I think the doctor was checking for brain damage.)
This same son had febrile convulsions at 18 months (as did his daughter at
the same age, ~28 years later). This fellow wouldn't hurt a fly, much less
be a serial killer; but this description fascinates me!
I don't think I know anybody with "sampuki eyes", but it seems that I heard
long ago that that was an indication of high intelligence...or something.
(For some reason, Steven Segal came to mind as one who might have "sampuki
eyes", but the pix I found weren't clear enough for me to judge.)
Linda
Jojoz
I was thinking Stephen King..... and looky all those "interesting" books he
wrote LOL. I wonder if he hadn't gotten to get published what he would have
done .... freaky eh?
Jojoz
formica63
"Firefly192"
>
> Hey, Formica! How ya doin'? (I loved reading about your nom de net-- and
to
> think I'd always assumed it was an homage to my neighbors' dinette
set....)
>
> Edified,
> Steph-o
I forgot the url for the casa formica --
http://www.thegatesofparadise.com/Joseph_Formica_Gate.htm
I confess -- the dinette set was also on my mind. : )
Steph -- I have been out dealing with the big bad world for months, and have
this new address. I've missed you!
Love, M aka F
Every9man
>From: firef...@aol.com (Firefly192)
>Date: Sun, Jun 16, 2002 11:27 PM
>Message-id: <20020616232705...@mb-ch.aol.com>
>
>"Jojoz" jojozisme@yahoo(spamblock).com wrote:
>>Yup, that's the one....now....what is his name!????? lol
Hey Steph! long time no see, you've been missed:)
Barbara