T. Maddux Inspired: Surf Rickshaw
Craig
Surf places on the Lakes and Oceans are sometimes far away from
parking.
It's nice to have a van or a car to warm up in, but that is sometimes
not feasible, because parking can be mile(s) away from a surf spot.
This is especially uncomfortable when temps get into the -5F windchill
range.
Sometimes you have to cross steep dunes. Walking more than one mile
with your board under your arm, wet with wind and in freezing temps is
just not practical. I like to camp and had a lot of this stuff around.
This
thing allows me to walk to a surf spot with a parka, change in and out
of my wetsuit right at the spot, and dry off, and maybe have a beer
or two! The propane cartridge lasts eight hours.
Anyway, I had done a number of bicycle campting trips with this tow
thing
from my HS days, but it was not practical, because it tends to flip
when you hit a bump. So I found a use for it.
I bought this catalytic propane tent stove at Target and used some
copper
tubing to extend the aluminum tubing so one can use it to transport a
board
and necessary gear. The wingnuts and bolts detach, so the bottom of
the
cart fits nicely behind our three baby seats in our jeep.
http://www.lakesurf.com/rs.htm
Timothy B. Maddux
I was being sarcastic.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8li32d%24quu%40wheel.ucsb.edu
Please don't blame me for your rickshaw.
In fact, please don't type my name and
the word "rickshaw" in the same sentence
together, ever again.
The original rickshaw (Mark Sisom came up
with the name) post:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=36e8bb3f.8195421%40news
--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Postdoctoral Investigator, WHOI
.` .`~
_.-' '._ All your wave are belong to me!
Craig
Mark Sisom came up with a good idea, then.
I talked to NeoN today and he was saying that
the gate was closed yesterday, and he and Jim
had OH Old Manz all to themselves. I've done the walk.
Trestles is a ways down the road, too.
You don't have our weather and you don't need to warm
up occasionally. For people with only nine hours of daylight
per day [right now], and where it gets pretty chilly,
this makes sense, if a vehicle can't be kept nearby.
tbma...@alumni.caltech.edu (Timothy B. Maddux) wrote in message news:<aqu4k9$ijr$1...@naig.caltech.edu>...
The Supreme Court
>OK Tim,
>Mark Sisom came up with a good idea, then.
No, Mark didn't. He ragged it like everyone else on AS did. It was some nerd at
Trestles or HB that came up with it.
But it might work for the great lakes considering the artic temps and long
walks to breaks!
__________________________________________________
"Pain is the sensation of weakness leaving the body"
superfly®
strikes me as kook city. And you are calling bob out for his
appearance?
I've carried my board on 10 mile hikes before. Maybe you
need to work on your upper body strength?
Warm up when you get home. Or carry a flare and some used
motor oil. Driftwood is everywhere. On the beach.
"Craig" <kemz...@kacm.com> wrote
Awe F'shore
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> We have about 10 hours of daylight now. This surf rickshaw
> strikes me as kook city. And you are calling bob out for his
> appearance?
>
> I've carried my board on 10 mile hikes before. Maybe you
> need to work on your upper body strength?
>
> Warm up when you get home. Or carry a flare and some used
> motor oil. Driftwood is everywhere. On the beach.
>
and a bent knee.
And why not just imbed the compass under the glass on your stick?
hehehe
Awe
Timothy B. Maddux
Craig <kemz...@kacm.com> wrote:
>Mark Sisom came up with a good idea, then.
Well, Mark's idea of deriding it with the
term "rickshaw" was great, but the joecaddy
kook machine was someone else's bad idea.
Save room in your rickshaw for a camera.
--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Postdoctoral Investigator, WHOI
.` .`~
_.-' '._ "The waves, as always, hold the more insidious addiction."
REd
> http://www.lakesurf.com/rs.htm
I like it, I think its a very good idea. Backcountry xc(*) skiers
doing something similar. I think it shows good creativity and a sense
of adventure that is at the core of modern surfing in the late 1950s.
This reflects my idea of the surfing spirit.
For snow, I would attach skis and use xc skate skis to pull it.
Gleshna
* - cross country: for topical readers -- this is skiing on flat or
hilly ground. It is very popular in the upper midWest.
Craig
in December. If we have the right conditions for it, I'd like
to hang all day at the bottom of a 30 story dune (callked loggers' slide)
that is pretty steep. This is near Marquette, MI.
http://www.kacm.com/Au_Sable_11.JPG
http://www.kacm.com/Dune_31.JPG
I can stay down at the bottom for most of the daylight
hours, with a tent heater, etc. This thing allows me
to carry all my things (including board) at once.
And like almost always, I'll be alone.
The copper pipe extensions are also such that
I can attach this thing to a bike and ride along
wet sand, with the stuff. There's a break one mile from
a parking lot in a national park not far from here,
it would be practical there. And given that sand
will be frozen soon it will work there.
Upper body strength is not the issue here. It is blood circulation
to the fingers in the biting cold (and it gets very cold here, a lot
colder than in the Bellevue area). Carrying a board under your arm
with frozen gloves cuts off circulation to the fingers.
And I've already had minor frostbite there.
Glad Eric is getting big surf, BTW. My academic program will be over soon
and I'll be ready to get a secind place in more tropical climes
with good waves.
distan...@aol.com (The Supreme Court) wrote in message news:<20021113205003...@mb-mn.aol.com>...
superfly®
> I am planning a trip to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan
> in December. If we have the right conditions for it, I'd like
> to hang all day at the bottom of a 30 story dune (callked loggers' slide)
> that is pretty steep. This is near Marquette, MI.
> http://www.kacm.com/Au_Sable_11.JPG
You should bring a chainsaw and a .22 and live there.
Maybe setup your rickshaw with a built in tablesaw?
> Upper body strength is not the issue here. It is blood circulation
> to the fingers in the biting cold (and it gets very cold here, a lot
> colder than in the Bellevue area). Carrying a board under your arm
> with frozen gloves cuts off circulation to the fingers.
> And I've already had minor frostbite there.
I think I'd rather live in hell...
> Glad Eric is getting big surf, BTW.
Ya bad teeth is going BEEG!
> My academic program will be over soon
> and I'll be ready to get a secind place in more tropical climes
> with good waves.
And alt.surfing will thank you for it. Make sure there is an *ocean* nearby.
Bud
> Gleshna
>
> * - cross country: for topical readers -- this is skiing on flat or
> hilly ground. It is very popular in the upper midWest.
THANKS BOB for clearing that up. We don't get much info on the
outside world out here, especially from the upper midWest (USA?).
BoondocksBud - "topical" reader from Hawaii, USA
Doc on the road
"Craig" <kemz...@kacm.com> wrote in message
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> Tim inspired this idea a few years ago from a post.
>
> Surf places on the Lakes and Oceans are sometimes far away from
> parking.
> It's nice to have a van or a car to warm up in, but that is sometimes
> not feasible, because parking can be mile(s) away from a surf spot.
> This is especially uncomfortable when temps get into the -5F windchill
> range.
> Sometimes you have to cross steep dunes. Walking more than one mile
> with your board under your arm, wet with wind and in freezing temps is
> just not practical. I like to camp and had a lot of this stuff around.
> http://www.lakesurf.com/rs.htm
why does the name Robert Falcon Scott come unbidden to mind?
Andy
Doc on the road <jfmil...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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I was kinda thinking about George Donner...
Andy
REd
> REd wrote:
>
> > Gleshna
> >
> > * - cross country: for topical readers -- this is skiing on flat or
> > hilly ground. It is very popular in the upper midWest.
Bud <b...@wavelust.com> wrote in message news:<3DD3E95...@wavelust.com>..
> THANKS BOB for clearing that up. We don't get much info on the
> outside world out here, especially from the upper midWest (USA?).
>
> BoondocksBud - "topical" reader from Hawaii, USA
I did not mean to offend anyone. My relatives in the Virgin Island
were clueless about cross country skiing, so I thought some Tropical
not topical ( my error ) readers might not be familiar with the sport.
This was may effort at consideration.
I find the idea of cross country skiing on the beach and then surfing
or vice versa a rather unique combination. That is sometimes possible
in Chicago.
Gleshna
Doc on the road
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> Doc on the road <jfmil...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> > "Craig" <kemz...@kacm.com> wrote in message
> > news:948675dc.02111...@posting.google.com...
> > > Tim inspired this idea a few years ago from a post.
> > >
> > <slice>
> > > http://www.lakesurf.com/rs.htm
> >
> > why does the name Robert Falcon Scott come unbidden to mind?
>
> I was kinda thinking about George Donner...
yep, same thing, pretty much the same outcome give or take a few dietary
differences.
doc......... "trudging across the tundra, mile after mile" - FZ ...........
Craig
And he was much farther away that I will be
from civiliztion.
But what I am trying to accomplish is
just "duration". Inmagine being able to
surf freshwater wave...to 8 feet...
in below zero temps...all day.
Eight hours to warm up.
(before frostbite sets in)
An adventure.
I like it.
Hawaii is in my future...but this is fun, too.
Craig
Doc on the road
Awright, look, not to bust your chops, but you might want to reconsider what
you have there. You got a few things that are okay, a couple that are
useless at best and a couple that are dangerous. And remember, 'adventure'
is what happens when something goes terribly wrong.
Again, not busting your chops - let me give you a little critique of your
gear here: You have the beginning of what could be quite a nice setup for
going in a few miles away from civilisation.
Copper tubing: replace it with steel or aluminum conduit: lighter, stronger
and easier to form with a simple conduit bender. use lots of pipe insulation
on it too; freezing metal and wet skin are a bad combo. Keep the bicycle
attachment up on the front, by the way, very nice to have when parking lots
are full or just when the weather is warmer. Rig some sort of harness to
pull with so your hands are free - much easier to use when hauling the
thing.
The cooler....is also good for keeping things hot. Such as a couple of
plastic bags of stew or soup, set in there and then top off said cooler with
boiling water. Cold beer on the other hand is verging on suicidal. leave
that in the car or better yet close to where the nearest hot shower is. Add
a couple thermi of hot drinks- likewise no booze in those.
Pup tent....... ok, but a cheap plastic tarp plus a surplus e-tool and some
parachute cord will make a better, more usable shelter, be easier to set up
when half frozen and you won't feel bad about abandoning it if you're too
cold to take it down and are making a dash for safety/warmth. Plus, getting
in and out of a full-on wetsuit inside a pup tent is kinda marginal.
A relatively cheap sleeping bag, polyester fiber that's good when wet rather
than down, could save your ass. They don't weigh much.
The flourescent light - fragile, batteries kinda lose their zip in the
cold, heavy and bulky. Substitute a AA battery mini-mag light flashlight
with, perhaps, an extra set of batteries. Likewise, the flashlight/weather
radio - when you're out there, you're stuck. Knowing what the weather is and
the buoys are doing is kinda too late, you know? You're there in it and you
gotta deal with what there is. A cell phone will be of far more use - you
can call somebody to get your ass outta there if something goes horribly
wrong.
Compass- ok, they're lightweight and can be real useful ( I have a little
Silva boondocking compass myself) , but don't attach it to the cart, instead
have it in the same zip-loc bag that you keep your USGS topographic maps of
the area in. No maps? get them, now.
Catalytic heater- again, a lot of bulk and weight for very little utility.
Plus the joys of monoxide poisoning and cooking a hole in your tent. They
don't actually _do_ much either unless you are in something very weather
tight like a cabin. See if you can find something like a little Svea camp
stove, good for heating stuff and light/compact. Hot cup of something makes
the difference between comfort and misery. Some dehydrated soup mix, maybe a
few packets of sweetened iced tea mix ( rather nice when hot too) plus hot
water and you're living large.
While I'm thinking of it....the only thing power bars are good for is bait.
When some critter nibbles on one it'll be so slowed down by that crap that
you can kill it with a rock. Hard candy or something like that gives lots of
energy for the weight.
The proverbial Good, Sharp Machete; much lighter than an axe and more
useful. Forget the little survival saws too. If and when you need to make a
better shelter, invaluable. Likewise, when you need to get said wagon and
board and all through a narrow part of trail. Don't forget the three
cornered file for sharpening the thing.
Extra tube(s), tire tool and pump for the tires - you get a flat a few miles
out and you either abandon the rig or fix it and get home. Forget a patch
kit- they suck in cold and take too much time to do.
Now that's my suggestions - you might also ask somebody who goes chasing
deer up on the Upper Peninsula what he carries in his back pack when he's
heading off to blast bambi. Plenty of good gear out there.....
As for hawaii...... have fun, i guess - me, I prefer places where they don't
speak English.
doc.........
Minnesota Tischman
> Inmagine being able to
> surf freshwater wave...to 8 feet...
>
We've yet to see proof of rideable 5 foot
"freshwater waves". Let alone 8 feet.
More myth mongering from the GLs.
>>>>>>>>>
Tisch the Fish
Gleshna
In cold weather Power Bars also make a very good knife like weapon.
Gleshna
Lake Michigan's Bottom 4-17-2001 thread:
Gleshna: "on the Lake. I have ridden waves that may have been overhead"
kemz...@kacm.com (Craig):
"How can you be experienced at these places and not see waves over three
feet?????"
Neal Miyake
> "Craig" <kemz...@kacm.com> wrote: <snip>
> > Hawaii is in my future...but this is fun, too...
> As for hawaii...... have fun, i guess - me, I prefer places where they
don't
> speak English.
Some would contend that we don't speak "english" here.
sponge
Andy
No, Actually Donner brought all kinds of shit with him (If I remember
correctly a two story wagon, and like 200+ head of cattle). He was very
prepared, if not overly. But he lacked two very important things,
1. experience.
2. The ability to know when he fucked up, and the balls to say...oooops,
lets go back.
Andy
Ditch the tent heater, like Doc said it's a good way to die.
Craig
I am not looking to use this for even more than
say six to eight hours at a time. Again it is meant
for trips away from the car...
Copper piping: I am very cheap. I had it around,
it fit. I am not dragging this that far.
The handle of the thing is actually plastic.
The heater: At best I want to use this only sporadically,
not for long durations. i see what you measn about the propane.
But using it as a hand warmer will help.
I never get cold with a wetsuit in the water, just in the air
and the wind. My fingers suffer the most, so even
if I use the heater just to heat my hands, it's useful.
It is also not that heavy.
Cell Phone? foggedaboudit. There is not service
in most of the UP and there are small mountains/big hills
up there.
Yeah the cooler idea does keep things hot. I hadn't thought about
it but cold beer in freezing temps doesn't seem appealing.
Hot soup would be better.
Yes extra batteries, I agree.
Now as for the tent, I had it around...we'll see.
I will report on this rig once I use it. Sure there will be
modifications, of course!
Craig
"Doc on the road" <jfmil...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<ar5ahj$fe961$1...@ID-144160.news.dfncis.de>...
Doc on the road
> I am not looking to use this for even more than
> say six to eight hours at a time. Again it is meant
> for trips away from the car...
bear in mind that you can get into a world of sorrow a couple miles off the
road. been there, avoided that.
>
> Copper piping: I am very cheap. I had it around,
> it fit. I am not dragging this that far.
> The handle of the thing is actually plastic.
rig a harness of some sort - something like military web gear might adapt
well. out and down is easy, up and back when already tired ain't.
>
> The heater: At best I want to use this only sporadically,
> not for long durations. i see what you measn about the propane.
> But using it as a hand warmer will help.
if you have sufficient hot water, say a cooler-full, the hand warming aspect
is unnecessary.
>
> I never get cold with a wetsuit in the water, just in the air
> and the wind. My fingers suffer the most, so even
> if I use the heater just to heat my hands, it's useful.
> It is also not that heavy.
Awkward/bulky though. Try and see if you can find a simple burner that'll go
with that propane bottle: then you have it all. a small Svea is better, of
course, or a surplus stove like the older M-1942 I have - the can it comes
in doubles as a pot to melt snow in.
also, spicy soups/chili help with the hand circulation. caffeine doesn't (
which is why i didn't suggest coffee or tea in thermi ) . i spend the winter
pounding nails outside, which means i am alternately warming my paws on
coffee cups and cursing myself for drinking it.
get thee some dachstein wool mittens. warmer after they get wet and when the
ice crust forms on the outside of 'em nothing could be more windproof.
>
> Cell Phone? foggedaboudit. There is not service
> in most of the UP and there are small mountains/big hills
> up there.
take it anyways. can't hurt, it's light enough and it might just keep you
from being froze. alternatives are an EPIRB or a hand-held VHF.
>
> Yeah the cooler idea does keep things hot. I hadn't thought about
> it but cold beer in freezing temps doesn't seem appealing.
> Hot soup would be better.
much. been there, done that.
>
> Yes extra batteries, I agree.
i have been getting a little smarter as i get older. my boondocks gear all
tends to use the same size batteries.
>
> Now as for the tent, I had it around...we'll see.
> I will report on this rig once I use it. Sure there will be
> modifications, of course!
try putting up the tent wearing full wetsuit and sunglasses, including
gloves, with maybe a pair of mitts on over 'em. simulates frozen fingers at
night rather well, that. which in turn will give you an idea of what to
change, right ricky tick.
good luck. as your homework, read through The Last Place On Earth by Roland
Huntford ( or Scott and Amundsen - same author ) for an idea of two very
different approaches to a problem.
doc......... adventure is something that happens when somebody screws up
.........
johnh
<jfmil...@attbi.com> wrote:
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>"Craig" <kemz...@kacm.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> I never get cold with a wetsuit in the water, just in the air
>> and the wind. My fingers suffer the most, so even
>> if I use the heater just to heat my hands, it's useful.
>> It is also not that heavy.
>
>Awkward/bulky though. Try and see if you can find a simple burner that'll go
>with that propane bottle: then you have it all. a small Svea is better, of
>course, or a surplus stove like the older M-1942 I have - the can it comes
>in doubles as a pot to melt snow in.
>
When I used to do a lot of ice-climbing, some of the folks I knew used
these lighter fluid fueled hand warmer thingys. They were about the
size of a pack of cigarettes and made of metal. They worked real well
for warming up numb hands. Not sure if they used naptha or butane.
Sounds like they might be just the thing to allow you to dump the
bulky propane heater.
Here is something similar in a solid fuel version:
http://www.campmor.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=226&prrfnbr=1026
The only hits I could find for the liquid fuel were antique butane
ones. I am sure they are out there somewhere though.
Best of Rides,
johnh
superfly®
"Craig" <kemz...@kacm.com> wrote
Doc on the road
"johnh" <jherm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:12:29 -0500, "Doc on the road"
> <jfmil...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Craig" <kemz...@kacm.com> wrote in message
> >news:948675dc.02111...@posting.google.com...
>
> >>
> >> I never get cold with a wetsuit in the water, just in the air
> >> and the wind. My fingers suffer the most, so even
> >> if I use the heater just to heat my hands, it's useful.
> >> It is also not that heavy.
> >
> >Awkward/bulky though. Try and see if you can find a simple burner that'll
go
> >with that propane bottle: then you have it all. a small Svea is better,
of
> >course, or a surplus stove like the older M-1942 I have - the can it
comes
> >in doubles as a pot to melt snow in.
> >
>
> When I used to do a lot of ice-climbing, some of the folks I knew used
> these lighter fluid fueled hand warmer thingys. They were about the
> size of a pack of cigarettes and made of metal. They worked real well
> for warming up numb hands. Not sure if they used naptha or butane.
> Sounds like they might be just the thing to allow you to dump the
> bulky propane heater.
Right, what were those, 'jon-e' brand or something? A quick look and........
Yes, they still make 'em :
http://www.productsunlimited.com/enter.html?target=Fishing_TackleIce_Fishing
_TackleHand_Warmers.html among others - a search turned up 79 mentions of
'jon-e hand warmer'. And they run on cigarette lighter fluid (you know, the
kind ya put in a Zippo) . $11.99 for the regular, $13.99 for the jumbo
variety.
>
> Here is something similar in a solid fuel version:
>
http://www.campmor.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=226&pr
rfnbr=1026
>
> The only hits I could find for the liquid fuel were antique butane
> ones. I am sure they are out there somewhere though.
>
> Best of Rides,
> johnh
Glad you reminded me - I could have used one today up on the staging.
Breezy, it was.
I know what I'm gonna have in my generic winter solstice holiday stocking.
Maybe a couple of the things.
And, before I forget, stumbled across the directions for using 'em -
http://www.aladdinknights.com/bboard/archives/Q0001951.htm
doc....... now, if they made some that'd go in my work boots ............
The Supreme Court
>It would be easier to just move to the ocean!
Forget the Rickshaw. That's soooo twentieth century.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00007EPJ6/002-9906286-4676854
Load the Pope Bisect up. IT will take you to the surf!
Gleshna
>> I am not looking to use this for even more than
>> say six to eight hours at a time. Again it is meant
>> for trips away from the car...
Rec.skiing.backcountry would be a good resource for this sorta thing. They
tend to do lots of dragging things around in the wilderness.
Timothy B. Maddux
Pope Bisect! Bahahaha! Dork. That's so 1998.
It's all about the Bisect Hollow Carbon Stealth.
http://www.time.com/time/2002/inventions/toy_board.html
Having trouble paddling out? Don't pull a
Driftcoast! Take the safety chute.
http://www.time.com/time/2002/inventions/hom_evac.html
--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Postdoctoral Investigator, WHOI
.` .`~
_.-' '._ "From the essence of pure stoke springs all creation."
Craig
How odd that at this stage of my life,
you guys remind me of how I got my fingertips and toes
mildly frostbitten in the first place!
Yes, I have plenty of experience with those butane
heaters. I used to carry them with me back when I was
in grammar school and I delivered papers at 4AM from a big
cart I pushed (or a tobaggan). I was often out in below
zero temps four hours at a time. The butane hand heater
never cut it. And it was the wet (and even the sweat from
my hands) that froze right on my skin.
You know, when you run ice cold water on your hands
and it feels like it is boiling.
And, if you are out in the water for an extended period,
your rubber gloves don't protect your fingers. Sometimes
I can barely turn the keys to open my car door...and the metal
freezes to your fingers. It hurts.
So the extra weight of this heater...just to have it on for
10 minutes, just to defrost my fingers...seems worth it.
While the thought of this is enough to make me start humming
"California Dreamin'", being out in the water in sunshine in
winter and in a snow squall..with the rainbow colors and
beautiful water, is not something to be missed, either.
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SurfSarge
>Having trouble paddling out? Don't pull a
>Driftcoast! Take the safety chute.
>
>http://www.time.com/time/2002/inventions/hom_evac.html
LMAO!
-PD
rickm
That would be a fun ride from the 90th floor.
Craig will modify it so it will extend to either coast.
Doc on the road
attempting to use matches or a conventional lighter when yer fingers is
froze is, mildly, misery. Zippos are marginal, disposable butane lighters
you can forget about especially when damp, but those trigger-operated butane
jobbies they make for lighting gas grills and stoves are pretty good.
Depending on how thick your gloves are, you might even be able to use one
with the wetsuit gloves on. There are also a couple of more conventional
butane lighters on the market with piezo-electric sparkers in 'em which work
ok.
If the body is too cold it sacrifices the feet and hands. Parallell
example - I can be freezing in several layers of clothing and gloves and so
on, but when I switch to the insulated coveralls ( shoulda had them up on
the staging yesterday ) I can happily go without gloves. So, use some
heavyweight thermals under the wetsuit, expedition-weight gloves under the
wetsuit gloves ( which I suspect yours may be to tight anyhow - yours are
what, 5mm or so? 3 finger lobster paw type? If they ain't, they should be)
and socks under the 7mm or thicker boots.
Spicy food, with some capsicum pepper in it, does good things for the
circulation in hands and feet. Coffee/tea/cocoa have caffeine ( a
vasoconstrictor ) which works against you.
Cool water hurts like a sonofabitch on froze fingers. I go with fairly warm
water - just suck it up on the theory that it won't tingle quite as long.
One of those jon-e heaters sounds like the move for ya. Small, lightweight
and pretty much foolproof- fire it up before ya go in the water. Score some
of those insulated coveralls too -
doc........
Craig
Here is my thinking. This is an alternative
way to carry a board when a heated vehicle is
unavailable after a session in near freezing water.
Even with lobster gloves (yep, I use 'em)
wrapping your arm around a board in the cold wind
cuts off blood supply to the fingers, thereby heat.
Even mild frostbite hurts. Walking miles down the beach
in San Diego with a board is a cakewalk. Doing it in
sub freezing temps with near or below zero windchills
and on ice and freezing hands is not.
I'll look around for what's available
with respect to butane BBQ lighters.
And thanks for the spicy suggestion. Some Thai seafood soup
would be good for the canteen. Yes, I use 7 mm boots.
I never thought of insulated coveralls, but that makes a
lot of sense.
BTW, I am down the coast from you now, and a low with some
cold is heading this way.
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> Again, Thanks Doc!
> Here is my thinking. This is an alternative
> way to carry a board when a heated vehicle is
> unavailable after a session in near freezing water.
They've got these new things called "board bags". You
can carry a board, no hands. Stuff your hands in your
pockets. Or your pants for all I care.
They've also got this revolutionary element called...
FIRE. You can take a lighter and some kindling and
stack it all together and when it's "on fire" you can add
driftwood to the pile (not driftwood®). It get bigger
and hotter!
If you have to bring a rickshaw, something is wrong.
You are in the wrong sport.
> Even with lobster gloves (yep, I use 'em)
> wrapping your arm around a board in the cold wind
> cuts off blood supply to the fingers, thereby heat.
> Even mild frostbite hurts. Walking miles down the beach
> in San Diego with a board is a cakewalk. Doing it in
> sub freezing temps with near or below zero windchills
> and on ice and freezing hands is not.
> I'll look around for what's available
> with respect to butane BBQ lighters.
Try pressurized ether. It's liable to light much more quickly.
> And thanks for the spicy suggestion. Some Thai seafood soup
> would be good for the canteen. Yes, I use 7 mm boots.
> I never thought of insulated coveralls, but that makes a
> lot of sense.
Why not bring the kitchen sink? In case you need to wash some
dishes and clean up.
> BTW, I am down the coast from you now, and a low with some
> cold is heading this way.
How about a real surf report? Or as close as you can get on the EC.