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Loretta Eisenberg

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Jan 3, 2010, 10:29:22 AM1/3/10
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first Happy New Year to all of you, For those that it was good I wish
you better, and for those that it was the worst, I wish you the best.

Now to the strange event of this morning. I woke up and as per my usual
routine, I went to get the newspaper and make my coffee. I got back in
bed it was early and started to read, I had my new glasses on.
Everything was blurry even with my glasses, At first I thought my sugar
must be so high. i tested and was 110. It took about thirty seconds
and my eyes cleared up.

My question has this happened to anyone with controlled sugar. I work
for an opthamologist and will be telling her this tomorrow. freaking
out from this.

Loretta

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Blurriness in all visual fields in both eyes happening abruptly
lasting for only 30 seconds and resolving as abruptly suggests
something vascular happening centrally (i.e. in the brain) instead of
peripherally in one eye. You should inform your doctor(s) about this.

Be hungrier, which truly is healthier for the heart, soul, and mind:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f882137d4e2858d8?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?

Happy Oyster

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On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:30:17 -0800 (PST), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Be hungrier, which truly is healthier for the heart, soul, and mind:

That is an insane lie.
.
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Asazel

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Jan 3, 2010, 6:14:14 PM1/3/10
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It is true that a high blood sugar for a long time causes blurry vision that
corrects when the blood sugar normalizes.

The reason (if you want the technical explanation) is that the lens of the
eye swells due to the high levels of osmotically active glucose which (being
osmotically active) carries water with it.

The time-frame of the swelling and the resolution is much longer than you
describe....it happens over weeks, not minutes.

So the short-term blurry vision you describe happened over a time-frame far
too short to be explained by blood sugar. I'd seek another explanation
because this isn't it.

And in case anyone's wondering, yes I am a doctor and yes I am (type I)
diabetic. When I diagnosed myself by blood sugar was about 450 and my vision
had been blurry for a few weeks. It took about 2 weeks to return to normal
once I started insulin.

All the best !


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Michael B

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Jan 3, 2010, 7:16:08 PM1/3/10
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Consider the sternocleidomastoid being in spasm.

On Jan 3, 10:29 am, Rone...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote:

> Now to the strange event of this morning.  I woke up and as per my usual
> routine, I went to get the newspaper and make my coffee.  I got back in
> bed it was early and started to read,  I had my new glasses on.
> Everything was blurry even with my glasses,  At first I thought my sugar
> must be so high.  i tested and was 110.  It took about thirty seconds
> and my eyes cleared up.

> --
> I

Loretta Eisenberg

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Jan 3, 2010, 7:34:43 PM1/3/10
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Michael if I knew what you were talking about, I might consider it. :-)

Loretta

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Loretta Eisenberg

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Jan 3, 2010, 7:33:44 PM1/3/10
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thanks for your response, I work for an opthamologist and will have her
check my eyes tomorrow.

It lasted only seconds and never happened the rest of the day

Loretta

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GEORGE HUMPHRIES

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Jan 3, 2010, 9:50:34 PM1/3/10
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Loretta,

Getting your eyes tested by your ophthalmologist is the best option for you.
(Hope it's just a one of).

But a couple of years ago I was diagnosed with mild Fuchs syndrome (corneal
dystrophy) , the main affect for me at the moment is a mild blurriness for
about five to ten minutes first thing in the morning.

It's something to do with tears and fluids in the eye overnight.

George Humphries

Type 2 diabetic in the UK.


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MU

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On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:36:09 +0100, Happy Oyster wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:30:17 -0800 (PST), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
>>Be hungrier, which truly is healthier for the heart, soul, and mind:
>
> That is an insane lie.
> .

You would recommend a state of complete satiety with no hunger for best
health?

*That* is an insane lie.

Happy Oyster

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That is bullshit.

Loretta Eisenberg

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Jan 4, 2010, 7:39:21 PM1/4/10
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Dame Edna, if I may call you that, I saw the opthamologist and when I
told her it was only for about ten seconds, she said watch and see if it
happens again.

Loretta

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GEORGE HUMPHRIES

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Glad to hear it's likely to be a one of.

Happy New Year.

George

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MU

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On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:31:50 +0100, Happy Oyster wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:19:08 -0500, MU <efacs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:36:09 +0100, Happy Oyster wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:30:17 -0800 (PST), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>>> <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Be hungrier, which truly is healthier for the heart, soul, and mind:
>>>
>>> That is an insane lie.
>>> .
>>
>>You would recommend a state of complete satiety with no hunger for best
>>health?
>
> That is bullshit.
> .

That buys you a kiddy *PLONK*

Happy Oyster

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That is bullshit.

Linda

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Jan 6, 2010, 12:31:10 AM1/6/10
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Since you had just gone outside? to get the newspaper, maybe you ran into
some pollen. I don't know where you live, but I'm in Austin, TX and the
cedar pollen has been terrible here. I've been having terrible vision
problems, and it seems to be getting better with some eyedrops that have an
antihistamine in them. ...however, my blood sugars had been high, too, so
who knows?
Linda

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Linda

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An eye doctor had told me in the past that some diabetes are prone to dry
eyes
Linda

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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MU wrote:
> Happy Oyster wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:

> >
> >>Be hungrier, which truly is healthier for the heart, soul, and mind:
> >
> > That is an insane lie.
>
> You would recommend a state of complete satiety with no hunger for best
> health?
>
> *That* is an insane lie.

Indeed.

Instead, be hungrier, which truly is healthier for the heart, soul,
and mind:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f882137d4e2858d8?

Jimmy Alpha

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sightwalker said with no source:

> MU wrote:
>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>>>
>>>> Be hungrier, which truly is healthier for the heart, soul, and mind:
>>> That is an insane lie.
>> You would recommend a state of complete satiety with no hunger for best
>> health?
>>
>> *That* is an insane lie.
>
> Indeed.
>
> Instead, be hungrier, which truly is healthier for the heart, soul,
> and mind:

Sources please?
Jimmy Alpha

Jimmy Alpha

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sightwalker said:
> Jimmy Alpha wrote:
> It is sad to note that there has been so many lies from you that
> you've lost track of them. This does indicate psychopathology.

Even sadder is the fact you *can't* show the supposed lies. Is it any
wonder you are the one seen as the liar in your own group? What is sad
is even your peers don't rally around your words here in your group.
Your peers have ran from you and your words as if you were a leper and
you have the audacity call another a liar! lol People see who the liar
is, and it isn't this poster.
Jimmy "in truth" Alpha

Happy Oyster

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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:09:25 -0800 (PST), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Instead, be hungrier, which truly is healthier for the heart, soul,
>and mind:

Go to Etiopia! Go onto the street there and tell people your swiny lies.

They will nail you to the wall.

Jan Drew

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Bottom line concerning you, H.O.:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/18b6cea52f0504a3?

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

Again, may GOD give you, H.O., a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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Board-certified Cardiologist

and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
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Ken

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Bottom line concerning chung:

Chung has been around for quite a few years now, and over time (last
5 years or so) his posts have degenerated from once being helpful and
knowledgeable to now being consumed with religion and what seems a
paranoid belief in his 2lb diet.
Very sad to a see a once clever man go down the gurgler like this,
but that is unfortunately the nature of his disease - most likely
schizophrenia


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how does it feel to be owned by chung

Jimmy Alpha

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It's wonderful for me! It's just like having a sister.
Jimmy Alpha

Joseph H.

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Le 2010-01-08 20:56, % a �crit :

There's nothing wrong with exposing Chung's sickness and lies. Chung
posts daily, and daily must he be corrected. By impeding people's effort
to alert the public against Chung's faults, errors and dangerous ideas,
you become his accomplice and objective ally. Is that what you want?

Jo H.

Happy Oyster

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On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:49:11 -0800 (PST), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
>other heart disease patients:

Go to Etiopia! Go onto the street there and tell people your swiny lies.

Jan Drew

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On Jan 9, 12:10�am, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
> >
> They will nail you to the wall.

ZZzz. Repeating the repeated repeatedly.

Results 1 - 10 of about 11,400 for Happy Oyster They will nail you to
the wall. (0.31 seconds)

Happy Oyster

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On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:49:11 -0800 (PST), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
>other heart disease patients:

Bob Pastorio about Andrew Ben-Hua Chung

http://www.mombu.com/medicine/heart/t-just-something-for-many-of-you-to-think-about-1451523.html

<quote>
7th March 07:42
bob pastorio

Just something for many of you to think about.
----------------------------------------------

It is laughter. It is consuming, driving, uncontrollable mirth. It is
the reaction to one of the most ironic posts I've ever seen. It is the
laughter of confirmation. It is the laughter that comes when the full
truth about you is revealed after myriad of your efforts to try to
conceal it.

You're hilarious, Chung. And you don't even get it.

But this leads to a more serious subject. It's this: I've come to the
realization that you actually believe the stuff you write here. That
it's terribly important to you despite your declarations to the
contrary, that it's just usenet. That it's merely usenet and not to be
taken seriously. Your gratitude for the "opportunity to witness before
so many" or words to that effect present a sobering picture. You
actually believe that your proselytizing in these threads will yield
good result. You believe that your tactics are acceptable because
others will hear your promotion of your idea of Christianity.

You have the zealotry of the fanatic. The unassailable conviction that
you have an exclusive grasp on truth. That you are perfect in your
understanding and perfect in your belief and that any means to present
that to others is acceptable. Thus you have taken a rather low road
for what you see as a high purpose.

I'm bowing out of all this, Chung. Not because I think you right, but
because I see that I overestimated you. I didn't really want to
believe that you were simply a fundamentalist Christian zealot. I
thought that a scientific background would create in you a desire for
evidence and proof or at least a rigorous logical perspective. One can
be a believer and still be a conscientious scientist. I know many such
people. You don't seem to be that person.

Your 2PoundDiet may be useful for a few, but I doubt it could have any
wider utility. I think it's superficial and too limited for general
application. It admits of no impulse and none of the pleasure of
either the food or the social table. You've utterly ignored the
communion and secondary issues of the table that have nothing to do
with food in your formulation. The children of parents doing 2PD
seeing no pleasure in the moment or the offerings will grow to wish to
avoid the setting. Particularly in the culture they're part of,
whichever it is. Every culture on earth makes a big deal of community
eating for the fellowship and respite. You've taken that away and
turned it into a mere fuel stop. It flies in the face of eons or human
evolution as social creatures. I certainly don't hate it; I think it's
a trifle.

You try to peddle the pejorative description of me as chef. As though
it were somehow degrading to be one. It's honest labor and I'm pleased
with my experience in food service and how I've affected the lives of
hundreds of employees and hundreds of thousands of diners. I'm pleased
with my life before that as an international marketer with big and
little companies. That's neither here nor there for this note. Just
information.

Actually, at this stage of my life, I'm more a writer than chef. More
than 1000 pieces published in newspapers and magazines across the US.
Pieces in encyclopedia to come out next year. Web sites for many
clients. Facts, rational and likely conclusions, and let the chips
fall where they may. You don't work that way so we have little common
purpose.

Dealing with you has been an interesting study in the use of language.
I've watched you deliberately obscure meaning. Deliberately
misunderstand and mislead. Deliberately try to confuse and confound. I
thought these were merely tactics. I was wrong. These are your
lifeblood. These are your needs to prevent finding error in your
belief package. These methods are central to your need to protect what
you believe. My opinion is that they're profoundly unhealthy.
Obviously, you disagree or you wouldn't do it.

So here's the bottom line. I'm out of these threads with you. Barring
some egregious post from you, I'm not going to participate in these
little fiestas. I do think that the judgments you've shown in these
posts reflect poorly on you as a person and as a medical professional.
For you to throw around professional terminology like "differential
diagnosis" as a tool of argument is IMO a shabby stunt, particularly
when you know it to be a sham. So enjoy yourself with the other people
you're playing with. The floor is yours to do with as you wish.

I'm withdrawing from this confabulation. I suspect you'll do your
abnormal normal thing and hang your macro at the end. Have at it.

Pastorio
</quote>

Jan Drew

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Loretta Eisenberg wrote:

> first Happy New Year to all of you, For those that it was good I wish
> you better, and for those that it was the worst, I wish you the best.


> Now to the strange event of this morning. I woke up and as per my usual
> routine, I went to get the newspaper and make my coffee. I got back in
> bed it was early and started to read, I had my new glasses on.
> Everything was blurry even with my glasses, At first I thought my sugar
> must be so high. i tested and was 110. It took about thirty seconds
> and my eyes cleared up.


> My question has this happened to anyone with controlled sugar. I work
> for an opthamologist and will be telling her this tomorrow. freaking
> out from this.

Blurriness in all visual fields in both eyes happening abruptly
lasting for only 30 seconds and resolving as abruptly suggests
something vascular happening centrally (i.e. in the brain) instead of
peripherally in one eye. You should inform your doctor(s) about
this.

Be hungrier, which truly is healthier for the heart, soul, and mind:


http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f882137d4e2858d8?


Marana tha


Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,


Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist

and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"


"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1
Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?


Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?


On Jan 9, 10:31�am, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:49:11 -0800 (PST), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>
> <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
> >Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
> >other heart disease patients:
>
> Bob Pastorio about Andrew Ben-Hua Chung

This thread is not about Andrew-Hua Chung.

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Michael

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On 1/3/2010 9:29 AM, Loretta Eisenberg wrote:
> first Happy New Year to all of you, For those that it was good I wish
> you better, and for those that it was the worst, I wish you the best.
>
> Now to the strange event of this morning. I woke up and as per my usual
> routine, I went to get the newspaper and make my coffee. I got back in
> bed it was early and started to read, I had my new glasses on.
> Everything was blurry even with my glasses, At first I thought my sugar
> must be so high. i tested and was 110. It took about thirty seconds
> and my eyes cleared up.
>
> My question has this happened to anyone with controlled sugar. I work
> for an opthamologist and will be telling her this tomorrow. freaking
> out from this.
>
> Loretta
>
> --
> I
>

Loretta,

This probably doesn't apply for you but I thought I would post it for
anyone else who might be having blurry vision for another reason.

My hobby now that I am retired is repairing older electronics equipment
that are built in a way that make it possible to repair.

This is very close work and I am looking at very tiny components. If I
use my regular glasses and work like this for a couple of hours, I will
have blurry vision for almost two days.

I bought a pair of magnifying lenses from Walmart. I refitted them to
clip over the top of my prescription glasses. This makes it very easy to
see what I am working on and stops the blurry vision aftermath.

I doubt that this is from T2. It is most likely just my age and eyes
that do not adapt very well.

Michael

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"Michael" <mic...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Sounds like that over 40 eye thing.


Nicky

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:36:30 -0800, "Julie Bove"
<juli...@verizon.net> wrote:

>Sounds like that over 40 eye thing.
>

Mutter... My eyes sometimes fail to focus fast enough, giving me
something that sounds like Loretta may have had? What did your
optician say, Loretta?

Another PITB is night dazzle - I'm currently trying pale yellow night
vision glasses, can't make my mind up about their safety, though. They
certainly cut down the dazzle beautifully, and I don't _think_ I'm
losing any peripheral vision - but wearing sunglasses at night is just
too weird...

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 150ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.2% BMI 26

W. Baker

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Nicky <ukc802...@btconnect.com> wrote:
: On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:36:30 -0800, "Julie Bove"
: <juli...@verizon.net> wrote:

Inccrease those mutters, tht all sounds like middle aged vision
development-to put a nice term on it.

Wendy-wishing that was her only problem with eyes:-)

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