ONE CURE for BOTH type 1 and type 2 diabetes???
TigerLily
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Gantlet
felt the hope
and yet some how never felt the let down point.
wow if this works, I wonder how long it will take for us to be able to get
it.
with diabetes getting out of hand like it is. I hope they hurry.
Will I once again be able to complete my order with.
"and for desert il have cheese cake"
for those that will jump in with.. its no excuse to go crazy.
shhhhhh let me dream.
Tom
if it is found to be a cure. how many of us will get to use it?
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Nicky
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> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf&k=63970
"The islet inflammation cleared up and the diabetes was gone. ...The
researchers are now setting out to confirm that the connection between
sensory nerves and diabetes holds true in humans. If it does, they will see
if their treatments have the same effects on people as they did on mice."
Wow! If it pans out, I'll stop wearing Ts with lizards on them in honour of
Byetta, and move to chillis...
Nicky.
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Cheri
you're still fairly young, so hopefully in yours. :-)
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Gantlet wrote in message ...
Kurt
TigerLily wrote:
> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf&k=63970
>From Canada came the discovery of insulin, let's hope they've
discovered another miracle. And that it can be implemented quickly for
everyone!
No offense, but I live for the day when we stop talking to each other
and this place is a ghost town because we've all been cured. I hope we
all are able to see this place change its name to a.s.
Kurt
Cheri
other right? LOL Hope you have a great weekend Kurt. :-)
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sho...@trailing-edge.com
> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf&k=63970
They don't say exactly where the researchers are other than "Toronto",
but that was where Banting and Best first figured out how to extract
and purify insulin and did animal and human trials to show that it
works.
If this pans out it will not only be wonderful for all of us (remember
those TV ads for research funding from the 80's of all the diabetics
gleefully throwing out syringes and insulin and Testape?) but
particularly glorious for Toronto.
Tim.
Chris Malcolm
> TigerLily wrote:
>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf&k=63970
> They don't say exactly where the researchers are other than "Toronto",
> but that was where Banting and Best first figured out how to extract
> and purify insulin and did animal and human trials to show that it
> works.
They give more than enough clues for Google, which immediately found
the research press release which was the source of this article.
http://www.sickkids.ca/mediaroom/custom/diabetesopen06.asp
> If this pans out it will not only be wonderful for all of us (remember
> those TV ads for research funding from the 80's of all the diabetics
> gleefully throwing out syringes and insulin and Testape?) but
> particularly glorious for Toronto.
I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
Anyone else like to place a bet?
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[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> sho...@trailing-edge.com wrote:
> > TigerLily wrote:
> >> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf&k=63970
>
> > They don't say exactly where the researchers are other than "Toronto",
> > but that was where Banting and Best first figured out how to extract
> > and purify insulin and did animal and human trials to show that it
> > works.
>
> They give more than enough clues for Google, which immediately found
> the research press release which was the source of this article.
>
> http://www.sickkids.ca/mediaroom/custom/diabetesopen06.asp
>
> > If this pans out it will not only be wonderful for all of us (remember
> > those TV ads for research funding from the 80's of all the diabetics
> > gleefully throwing out syringes and insulin and Testape?) but
> > particularly glorious for Toronto.
>
> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
>
> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
>
> Anyone else like to place a bet?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ea1de696e46d7a37?
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear friend
Chris whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
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Chris Malcolm
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ea1de696e46d7a37?
Interesting counter points, Andrew, thanks.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
You are welcome.
All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Creator of heaven and earth,
Source of all knowledge and wisdom, and Healer of all diseases and
infirmities:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Healer.asp
sho...@trailing-edge.com
> > They don't say exactly where the researchers are other than "Toronto",
> > but that was where Banting and Best first figured out how to extract
> > and purify insulin and did animal and human trials to show that it
> > works.
>
> They give more than enough clues for Google, which immediately found
> the research press release which was the source of this article.
>
> http://www.sickkids.ca/mediaroom/custom/diabetesopen06.asp
Thank you! It makes more sense than many of the news articles.
> > If this pans out it will not only be wonderful for all of us (remember
> > those TV ads for research funding from the 80's of all the diabetics
> > gleefully throwing out syringes and insulin and Testape?) but
> > particularly glorious for Toronto.
>
> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
>
> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
>
> Anyone else like to place a bet?
While I'd like to see it pan out, I've seen enough other news releases
come and go without being "the cure" that I'm not banking on it :-).
All the same, many of the criticisms that have floated around about the
new Toronto research tracks very closely the criticism that Banting and
Best got about their research.
Folks here are complaining that the researchers aren't
endocrinologists: but remember that Banting was a medical doctor who
had never even treated a diabetic before.
People are complaining that diabetes in these mice isn't the same as
most all diabetes in humans. But remember that Banting and Best were
experimenting on dogs who had had their pancreas surgically altered in
the guess that this could induce a type of diabetes that is in fact
almost completely unlike the mechanisms that most people get diabetes.
And whether this results in "the cure" or a prevention or something
else, it is remarkable that such interesting stuff is still being done
in Toronto.
Tim.
Jeff
"Kurt" <kurtwhee...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> TigerLily wrote:
>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf&k=63970
>
>>From Canada came the discovery of insulin, let's hope they've
> discovered another miracle. And that it can be implemented quickly for
> everyone!
From Canda and the US: Davud Serreze, from the Jackson Labs in Bar Harbor
Maine, was one of the coauthors.
The coauthors were Rozita Razavi, Yin Chan, F. Nikoo Afifiyan, Xue Jun Liu,
Xiang Wan, Jason Tantha, Hubert Tsui, Lan Tang, Sue Tsai, Pere Santamaria,
John P. Driver, David Serreze, Michael W. Salter, and H-Michael Dosch.
I am not sure why, but I think a lot of the authors are not natives of
Canada, too.
Jeff
Jeff
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>> sho...@trailing-edge.com wrote:
>> > TigerLily wrote:
>> >> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf&k=63970
>>
>> > They don't say exactly where the researchers are other than "Toronto",
>> > but that was where Banting and Best first figured out how to extract
>> > and purify insulin and did animal and human trials to show that it
>> > works.
>>
>> They give more than enough clues for Google, which immediately found
>> the research press release which was the source of this article.
>>
>> http://www.sickkids.ca/mediaroom/custom/diabetesopen06.asp
>>
>> > If this pans out it will not only be wonderful for all of us (remember
>> > those TV ads for research funding from the 80's of all the diabetics
>> > gleefully throwing out syringes and insulin and Testape?) but
>> > particularly glorious for Toronto.
>>
>> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
>>
>> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
>> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
>> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
>> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
>> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
>> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
>>
>> Anyone else like to place a bet?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ea1de696e46d7a37?
My response to Andrew's post in the thread "Re: Diabetes Breakthrough."
Unfortunately, Andrew has the habit of starting new threads, which makes
threads harder to follow.
Jeff
<...>
Gantlet
> and this place is a ghost town because we've all been cured. I hope we
> all are able to see this place change its name to a.s.
>
> Kurt
lol..
i couldnt help but notice you didnt say that you would be glad not to be
diabetic any more.
Well so far the worst part about being diabetic for me has been this place.
So I can understand that. o man wouldnt it be great to say good bye to this
group.
I guess not being diabetic anymore is ok to.
Wow I cant wait to say good riddens.
Damn i just started my web site to :(.
its looking good, I just checked and it seems that
Alt.support.diabetic.mice has already closed down :). Dr. Bernie the Rat
will have to find something else to spam in every newsgroup and message
board.
Being Cured Diabetic - will be fantastic
Being Able to eat a slice of cheese cake - Unbelievable.
Making my last post here - Priceless.
Tom
anyone want to buy a web site?
Jeff
"TigerLily" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf&k=63970
I read the study carefully. It says nothing about a "cure." While it is
clearly a potential treatment, there is nothing that suggests that diabetes
was really cured in the mice. It may be that people would require treatment
every year or two. There may be complications from the surgery.
Furtheremore, the mice had specific mutations in their genome (genetic
code). This may greatly benefit some patients, but not others.
Jeff
awthr...@yahoo.com
Here's the great news. While you scientists kvetch about whther it's
applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.
And if it works, they are going to tell their fellow diabetics, kidney
dialysis patients etc. As the public's eyes open to this natural cure
(or improvement), then their eyes will gradually open to other natural
cures and improvements.
A new day is here. Gradually, the drug model for treating diabetics and
others will crumble, and...with this news...today is its birthday.
Chakolate
@mid.individual.net:
> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
>
> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
>
> Anyone else like to place a bet?
>
I'd bet that way too as far as the treatment actually working. I'd bet
against you if we were betting on whether the treatment will come to
market. One shot? Eliminating all those lucrative strips and whatnot?
I'm sure Big Pharma will be jumping all over themselves trying to get
that to market. NOT.
Chak
--
I've learned that whenever I decide something with an open heart, I
usually make the right decision.
--Maya Angelou
Jeff
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<...>
> Here's the great news. While you scientists kvetch about whther it's
> applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
> it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.
Does your neighbor know how to insert an arterial catheter into his groin,
snake it through his aorta until it is near the pancreatic artery and be
able to get it in the right spot?
> And if it works, they are going to tell their fellow diabetics, kidney
> dialysis patients etc. As the public's eyes open to this natural cure
> (or improvement), then their eyes will gradually open to other natural
> cures and improvements.
Snaking a tube through the inside of the body is not a "natural" cure. It
hasn't even been shown to be a cure in mice.
> A new day is here. Gradually, the drug model for treating diabetics and
> others will crumble, and...with this news...today is its birthday.
Actually, the news came out yesterday.
And this is a drug model. They are putting a drug in the body. And I do mean
"in the body," with a tube in the groin snaking through the body.
Jeff
Kurt
Gantlet wrote:
> "Kurt" <kurtwhee...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > No offense, but I live for the day when we stop talking to each other
> > and this place is a ghost town because we've all been cured. I hope we
> > all are able to see this place change its name to a.s.
> >
> > Kurt
>
>
> lol..
> i couldnt help but notice you didnt say that you would be glad not to be
> diabetic any more.
Oh yeah, that too! Although I'd have to give away my neat gold
medic-alert wristband.
> Well so far the worst part about being diabetic for me has been this place.
LOL
> So I can understand that. o man wouldnt it be great to say good bye to this
> group.
> I guess not being diabetic anymore is ok to.
> Wow I cant wait to say good riddens.
> Damn i just started my web site to :(.
Oh yeah, that's right. Well, you could make it about motorcycles.
> its looking good, I just checked and it seems that
> Alt.support.diabetic.mice has already closed down :). Dr. Bernie the Rat
> will have to find something else to spam in every newsgroup and message
> board.
LOL. By Dr. Rodentstein's book "Cheddar for Dummies"
> Being Cured Diabetic - will be fantastic
> Being Able to eat a slice of cheese cake - Unbelievable.
> Making my last post here - Priceless.
I think it wold be priceless for ALL of us.
> Tom
> anyone want to buy a web site?
LOL. Funny post, Tom.
Best,
Kurt
Jeff
"Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Chris Malcolm <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in news:4ui0vvF18eseaU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
>>
>> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
>> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
>> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
>> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control that it
>> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
>> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
>>
>> Anyone else like to place a bet?
>>
>
> I'd bet that way too as far as the treatment actually working. I'd bet
> against you if we were betting on whether the treatment will come to
> market. One shot? Eliminating all those lucrative strips and whatnot?
> I'm sure Big Pharma will be jumping all over themselves trying to get
> that to market. NOT.
The treatment involves inserting a catheter into the groin, through the
aorta, into the pancreatic arteries. This requires X-ray equip. I would
imagine that it would cost around $8k (or $2k in India, with airfare). It is
not cheap.
Big Pharma might not be trying to get this to market, but I bet some
startups will.
Remember how some little startup guy who made IBM-compatable computers in
his college dorm and started selling them? Now, it is the second biggest
computer maker (Dell). Startups do take off.
Jeff
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
> All thanks and praises belong to medical science, which has to resist
> charlatans and superstition.
>Science, not superstition is the source of all knowledge and wisdom, and
>"god" heals nothing and only encourages >ignorance and weakness.
<snip stool>
Gantlet
"Kurt" <kurtwhee...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> LOL. By Dr. Rodentstein's book "Cheddar for Dummies"
> Best,
> Kurt
funny lol
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Actually, I did not start this thread.
Here's the OP for this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/6f255b8f27e8c53f?
Chris Malcolm
> <awthr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1166294872.7...@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> <...>
>> Here's the great news. While you scientists kvetch about whther it's
>> applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
>> it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.
> Does your neighbor know how to insert an arterial catheter into his groin,
> snake it through his aorta until it is near the pancreatic artery and be
> able to get it in the right spot?
He believes in natural cures. That means he hasn't a clue and is
either going to eat chilis or stuff them as far up his fundament as he
can reach with a natural wooden stick.
Jeff
"Chris Malcolm" <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> In alt.support.diabetes Jeff <je...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> <awthr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1166294872.7...@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> <...>
>
>>> Here's the great news. While you scientists kvetch about whther it's
>>> applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
>>> it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.
>
>> Does your neighbor know how to insert an arterial catheter into his
>> groin,
>> snake it through his aorta until it is near the pancreatic artery and be
>> able to get it in the right spot?
>
> He believes in natural cures. That means he hasn't a clue and is
> either going to eat chilis or stuff them as far up his fundament as he
> can reach with a natural wooden stick.
This doesn't follow logically. Neither eating enough chilis or stuffing them
is natural.
awthr...@yahoo.com
Jeff wrote:
> <awthr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1166294872.7...@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> <...>
>
> > applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
> > it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.
>
> Does your neighbor know how to insert an arterial catheter into his groin,
> snake it through his aorta until it is near the pancreatic artery and be
> able to get it in the right spot?
>
> > And if it works, they are going to tell their fellow diabetics, kidney
> > dialysis patients etc. As the public's eyes open to this natural cure
> > (or improvement), then their eyes will gradually open to other natural
> > cures and improvements.
>
> Snaking a tube through the inside of the body is not a "natural" cure. It
> hasn't even been shown to be a cure in mice.
>
> > A new day is here. Gradually, the drug model for treating diabetics and
> > others will crumble, and...with this news...today is its birthday.
>
> Actually, the news came out yesterday.
>
> And this is a drug model. They are putting a drug in the body. And I do mean
> "in the body," with a tube in the groin snaking through the body.
>
> Jeff
As usual, you're missing the point. The average diabetic who learns
about this will take the hot peppers in capsules. They won't wait ten
years for 'x' number of studies done in various ways, while their toes
get cut off one by one.
Nope. They'll go to the store and bypass your particularities. They
probably won't be thinking about you or have even heard about you.
Isn't that grand...people taking responsibility for their own health
decisions.
Your importance might wane, but that's how progress gets made. It's
unknown as yet what level of benefit would be derived from a consistent
oral ingestion of high heat-unit pepper would be. But you can be sure
that there will be diabetics willing to find out.
PS. I work in a health food store. You can be sure that along with high
doses of cinnamon, alpha lipoic acid and such, this will become another
option, especially for those with neuropathy. Of course, high dose
SUBLINGUAL vitamin B-12 is yet another option.
awthr...@yahoo.com
Chris Malcolm wrote:
> In alt.support.diabetes Jeff <je...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <awthr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1166294872.7...@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > <...>
>
> >> Here's the great news. While you scientists kvetch about whther it's
> >> applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
> >> it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.
>
> > Does your neighbor know how to insert an arterial catheter into his groin,
> > snake it through his aorta until it is near the pancreatic artery and be
> > able to get it in the right spot?
>
> He believes in natural cures. That means he hasn't a clue and is
> either going to eat chilis or stuff them as far up his fundament as he
> can reach with a natural wooden stick.
I've helped cure more people than you could ever dream of. So keep
pricking your fingers like a good slave.
Jeff
<awthr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Taking irresponsibility for their own health decisions is more like it, if
they do what you suggest.
> Your importance might wane, but that's how progress gets made. It's
> unknown as yet what level of benefit would be derived from a consistent
> oral ingestion of high heat-unit pepper would be. But you can be sure
> that there will be diabetics willing to find out.
That is incorrect. My importance won't wane. For that to happen, I would
have to have importance to start with.
Actually, they won't. They may that the peppers, but they will never know if
it is working or not.
> PS. I work in a health food store. You can be sure that along with high
> doses of cinnamon, alpha lipoic acid and such, this will become another
> option, especially for those with neuropathy. Of course, high dose
> SUBLINGUAL vitamin B-12 is yet another option.
And I can be sure that people will be taking more money off these folks
without any evidence of benefit.
Pathetic.
Jeff
Jeff
<awthr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>> In alt.support.diabetes Jeff <je...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > <awthr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1166294872.7...@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > <...>
>>
>> >> Here's the great news. While you scientists kvetch about whther it's
>> >> applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
>> >> it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.
>>
>> > Does your neighbor know how to insert an arterial catheter into his
>> > groin,
>> > snake it through his aorta until it is near the pancreatic artery and
>> > be
>> > able to get it in the right spot?
>>
>> He believes in natural cures. That means he hasn't a clue and is
>> either going to eat chilis or stuff them as far up his fundament as he
>> can reach with a natural wooden stick.
>
> I've helped cure more people than you could ever dream of. So keep
> pricking your fingers like a good slave.
Malcolm, I think he made your point for you about not having a clue.
Jeff
awthr...@yahoo.com
Adults get to make their own decisions. Don't you hate that?
>
> > Your importance might wane, but that's how progress gets made. It's
> > unknown as yet what level of benefit would be derived from a consistent
> > oral ingestion of high heat-unit pepper would be. But you can be sure
> > that there will be diabetics willing to find out.
>
> That is incorrect. My importance won't wane. For that to happen, I would
> have to have importance to start with.
>
> Actually, they won't. They may that the peppers, but they will never know if
> it is working or not.
Sure they'll know. Maybe their symptoms will let up..a reversal of a
steady worsening. Or maybe their sugar levels will stabilize. You might
not consider that to be proof, but they would consider it enough proof
for themselves to tell others.
So guess who wins this fight?
>
> > PS. I work in a health food store. You can be sure that along with high
> > doses of cinnamon, alpha lipoic acid and such, this will become another
> > option, especially for those with neuropathy. Of course, high dose
> > SUBLINGUAL vitamin B-12 is yet another option.
>
> And I can be sure that people will be taking more money off these folks
> without any evidence of benefit.
Like the gal with Type I diabetes who had severe neuropathy in her feet
and elswhere, including gastric parysis (sp?). She got rid of much of
her stomach paralysis in a day or two, by taking protein enzymes.
She took some sublingual B-12 (5,000 mcg) on the way out of the store.
By the time she got to her car, her pain was gone and stayed gone for
12 hours. She said that as long as she took the B-12 every 12 hours,
she had no pain except for a little tingling when it was time to take
another dose.
Her mother told me that she would cry and scream from the pain she had.
Now it's gone.
I think the store made about $23 for the enzymes and another $15 for
the sublingual B-12. For $38 dollars we did what her doctors were
unable to do for many years...such as her stomach problem which had
existed for six years and was diagnosed through ultrasound after eating
hard boiled eggs. After two hours, the eggs were still in her stomach.
>
> Pathetic.
If it's pathetic in your eyes to cure people for $38, then so be it.
I'm sure you'd have been right there to amputate the poor girl's feet
while considering yourself a hero.
Sick, grotesque and pathetic.
This woman is still walking on her own two feet, no thanks to you and
your peers. No trophy feet for you this time.
Happy Dog
news:1166331011.6...@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...>> news:1166328947.077343.286290@
>> Actually, they won't. They may that the peppers, but they will never know
>> if
>> it is working or not.
>
> Sure they'll know. Maybe their symptoms will let up..a reversal of a
> steady worsening. Or maybe their sugar levels will stabilize. You might
> not consider that to be proof, but they would consider it enough proof
> for themselves to tell others.
Hey, anyone would consider that proof. Can you direct us to any Type 1
diabetic posters who have been able to control blood sugar levels with the
things you suggest?
>
> So guess who wins this fight?
The skeptics unless you can find some diabetic believers to support you.
>> And I can be sure that people will be taking more money off these folks
>> without any evidence of benefit.
>
> Like the gal with Type I diabetes who had severe neuropathy in her feet
> and elswhere, including gastric parysis (sp?). She got rid of much of
> her stomach paralysis in a day or two, by taking protein enzymes.
Have her tell us her story. Or *anyone* with a credible similar one.
>
> She took some sublingual B-12 (5,000 mcg) on the way out of the store.
> By the time she got to her car, her pain was gone and stayed gone for
> 12 hours. She said that as long as she took the B-12 every 12 hours,
> she had no pain except for a little tingling when it was time to take
> another dose.
>
> Her mother told me that she would cry and scream from the pain she had.
> Now it's gone.
Praise be. Now get a few of them to post here and we'll be off to a new
dawn.
m
GysdeJongh
news:SlXgh.161$386.107@trndny01...
>
> "Chakolate" <chakolateDea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns989B82796443Ac...@207.115.17.102...
>> Chris Malcolm <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in news:4ui0vvF18eseaU1
>> @mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> I'd like to place my bet now on this panning out :-)
Me too :)
>>> It may not be exactly the same as in humans. It's not unlikely that we
>>> are different enough from mice that some of the treatment delivery
>>> route might be affected, but my bet is that this involves a
>>> sufficiently ancient and basic part of mammalian BG control
Think so too
>>> ought to be possible to develop a treamtment applicable to humans from
>>> this, even if the specific method used on the mice doesn't work on us.
>>>
>>> Anyone else like to place a bet?
Yep !!
> The treatment involves inserting a catheter into the groin, through the
> aorta, into the pancreatic arteries. This requires X-ray equip. I would
> imagine that it would cost around $8k (or $2k in India, with airfare). It
> is not cheap.
In the article the mice were treated "in utero" with capsaicine which
killed their pancreatic nerve cells even before they were born.The
researchers also injected the adult mice directly with capsaicine in their
pancreas.This also killed their nerve cells.
Ok
But both actions were directed to the whole nerve cell.In the article the
researchers also showed that letting the nerve cell live and just blocking
their no-specific cation channel , TRPV1 , also works.So there are more
options than just pepper !!! In fact The article goes a long way to prove
that not the nerve cell itself but rather the TRPV1+ (a hyperfunctional
mutant) is the causing agent.And TRPV1+ may well be present on a lot of
other cells (???)
> Big Pharma might not be trying to get this to market, but I bet some
> startups will.
Big pharma will defenitely start looking for blockers of TRPV1 , much more
elegant and usefull than killing all the nerves in the pancreas of an adult
T1 or T2 with an infusion of capsaicine in the pancreatic artery .Seems a
heavy gun to use an infusion with such a toxic substance.
My two cents
hth
Gys
Jeff
<awthr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<...>
>> Taking irresponsibility for their own health decisions is more like it,
>> if
>> they do what you suggest.
>
> Adults get to make their own decisions. Don't you hate that?
I hate that there are idiots out there giving them incorrect information.
I mean, look at the crap you spew, when the data are freely available on the
web in the actual Cell paper.
<...>
>> Pathetic.
>
> If it's pathetic in your eyes to cure people for $38, then so be it.
> I'm sure you'd have been right there to amputate the poor girl's feet
> while considering yourself a hero.
It's pathetic to sell them a "cure" based on a conjecture that is not based
on any evidence.
Jeff
GysdeJongh
>
> "TigerLily" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:4ugks7F...@mid.individual.net...
>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf&k=63970
>
> I read the study carefully. It says nothing about a "cure." While it is
> clearly a potential treatment, there is nothing that suggests that
> diabetes was really cured in the mice. It may be that people would require
> treatment every year or two. There may be complications from the surgery.
>
> Furtheremore, the mice had specific mutations in their genome (genetic
> code). This may greatly benefit some patients, but not others.
Hi Jeff ,
well it actually does
Here is a citation from the article :
"Our observations open new avenues for therapeutic strategies, raising the
possibility that sensory nerve dysfunction may contribute to prediabetes
initiation and progression in diabetes-prone
humans."
The the researchers had this questions : if the pancreatic nerve cell is
activated via its TRPV1 receptor , it releases a neuropeptide .Are there
indeed more of this ? Does it help if we do only something about this
peptide ? Here is a quote from the article :
"After sP administration, and without insulin therapy, over half of the i.a.
injected diabetics normalized blood glucose levels (Figure 6E, red lines).
In these fully responsive mice, fasting blood glucose returned to near
normal levels rapidly and remained at these levels for 2-8 weeks. Raising
pancreatic sP levels dramatically enhanced insulin sensitivity, suggesting
that the elevated insulin resistance at diagnosis was normalized (Figure
6F).
And 2 - 8 weeks is a life long for mice
hth
Gys
Jeff
"GysdeJongh" <jong...@planet.nl> wrote in message
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> "Jeff" <je...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:SUWgh.1114$Pq4.282@trndny08...
>>
>> "TigerLily" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:4ugks7F...@mid.individual.net...
>>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf&k=63970
>>
>> I read the study carefully. It says nothing about a "cure." While it is
>> clearly a potential treatment, there is nothing that suggests that
>> diabetes was really cured in the mice. It may be that people would
>> require treatment every year or two. There may be complications from the
>> surgery.
>>
>> Furtheremore, the mice had specific mutations in their genome (genetic
>> code). This may greatly benefit some patients, but not others.
>
> Hi Jeff ,
> well it actually does
>
> Here is a citation from the article :
>
> "Our observations open new avenues for therapeutic strategies, raising the
> possibility that sensory nerve dysfunction may contribute to prediabetes
> initiation and progression in diabetes-prone
> humans."
Open up new avenues means that it is possible that this would work in
humans, but not proven. There is a lot of work to do before this would be
used regularly in humans.
> The the researchers had this questions : if the pancreatic nerve cell is
> activated via its TRPV1 receptor , it releases a neuropeptide .Are there
> indeed more of this ? Does it help if we do only something about this
> peptide ? Here is a quote from the article :
>
> "After sP administration, and without insulin therapy, over half of the
> i.a. injected diabetics normalized blood glucose levels (Figure 6E, red
> lines). In these fully responsive mice, fasting blood glucose returned to
> near normal levels rapidly and remained at these levels for 2-8 weeks.
> Raising pancreatic sP levels dramatically enhanced insulin sensitivity,
> suggesting that the elevated insulin resistance at diagnosis was
> normalized (Figure 6F).
But, they don't know what the effects of Substance P are. They may even be
in cells outside the pancreas, like in the Thymus or lymph nodes. And
clearly, they are affecting cells outside the pancreas, because the insulin
sensitivity occurs in other cells that take up and use glucose.
> And 2 - 8 weeks is a life long for mice
> hth
Mice live a year or more. But, that doesn't mean that this would work longer
than 2-8 weeks in humans.
Don't get me wrong, I think this would work in humans, but it far too early
to tell. But it is a good start.
Jeff
> Gys
>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> <awthr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1166331011.6...@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> <...>
>
> >> Taking irresponsibility for their own health decisions is more like it,
> >> if
> >> they do what you suggest.
> >
> > Adults get to make their own decisions. Don't you hate that?
>
> I hate that there are idiots out there giving them incorrect information.
>
> I mean, look at the crap you spew, when the data are freely available on the
> web in the actual Cell paper.
Data that is from a blind alley where people end up believing their
diabetes, either type-1 or type-2 will be cured with capsaicin:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/231456502e509042?
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Jeff whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Jeff
I think this is one of those things were the news articles are misleading or
something.
http://www.cell.com/content/article/fulltext/?uid=PIIS0092867406014656
The capsaicin was injected S.C. (subcutenous, that is, just under the skin)
in 2 day-old mice pups.
In adults, they used substance P, which works on the same receptor. The
substance P was injected into the celiac artery, which is the artery that
supplies the intestine, stomach and pancreas.
In theory, it could be that the effect of substance P was on intestinal
cells was vital to the therapy controling diabetes, although I agree with
the authors' conclusion about the effects being on the pancreatic cells.
Until there are further studies on substance P and pancreatic cells, we
won't know for sure.
> Ok
> But both actions were directed to the whole nerve cell.
Substance P is released by the nerve fibers. It appears that substance P is
normally released (in non-diabetic mice) and helps keep the immune cells
that cause type 1 diabetes in check. So, substance P had a antiimflamtory
affect.
> In the article the researchers also showed that letting the nerve cell
> live and just blocking their no-specific cation channel , TRPV1 , also
> works.So there are more options than just pepper !!! In fact The article
> goes a long way to prove that not the nerve cell itself but rather the
> TRPV1+ (a hyperfunctional mutant) is the causing agent.And TRPV1+ may
> well be present on a lot of other cells (???)
This same system (TRPV1 and substance P) appears to play a critical role in
asthma.
>> Big Pharma might not be trying to get this to market, but I bet some
>> startups will.
>
> Big pharma will defenitely start looking for blockers of TRPV1 , much more
> elegant and usefull than killing all the nerves in the pancreas of an
> adult T1 or T2 with an infusion of capsaicine in the pancreatic artery
> .Seems a heavy gun to use an infusion with such a toxic substance.
I am sure that both big Pharma and startups (which become part of big Pharma
if things go well) are looking at this very closely.
Jeff
awthr...@yahoo.com
No you have it all backwards, Jeff. It's pathetic and it ought to be a
crime for you to cut a person's feet or leg off when there are
alternatives that saved that young woman's life. If she had talked to
you, you'd be cutting off her legs. I saved her legs from an animal
like you.
DO YOU GET IT!! I HELPED SAVE HER LEGS FROM ALMOST CERTAIN AMPUTATION.
AND I SAVED HER STOMACH FROM THE EFFECTS OF GASTRO PARESIS (sp?). Her
doctors could not help her for SIX YEARS!!
Look at how you cut out the facts of her case!! You're a disgusting
human being...fighting for your 'right' to continue to amputate which
is so important to you that you cut out the facts.
>
> Jeff
Kurt Gavin
"Wes Groleau" <grolea...@freeshell.org> wrote in message
news:yFjhh.397$Eo.164@trnddc08...
>>> Science, not superstition is the source of all knowledge and wisdom, and
>>> "god" heals nothing and only encourages >ignorance and weakness.
>
> superstition.
Well, we know supernatural being fantasies are the source only of ignorance
and weakness.
> And you didn't remove enough newsgroups.
Yes I did.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > Tragic demon KG wrote:
> >
> >> Science, not superstition is the source of all knowledge and wisdom, and
> >> "god" heals nothing and only encourages >ignorance and weakness.
>
> superstition.
>
Such is the behavior of those whose will is no longer their own.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Wes whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
> --
> Wes Groleau
>
> Ostracism: A practice of sticking your head in the sand.
Chris Malcolm
Of course, but the average diabetic doesn't read research papers. The
average diabetic just takes advice from authoritative sources, which
in some cases is a newspaper, magazine, or the person behind the
counter in their local vitamin shop.
Which I guess for some diabetics might be you. And you have actually
had the opportunity via these newsgroups to read the actual report put
out by the researchers. I can't see how anyone who actually read that
could possibly imagine that taking hot peppers in capsules would have
the effect on diabetes that the researchers discussed.
I see, however, from other postings of yours of yours, that you have
constructed some kind of half-baked rationale for them having an
effect on diabetes based on getting rid of mucus and healing damaged
nerve cells in the pancreas. Never mind that what the scientists
reported actually contradicts that rationale. I'm sure that rationale
will sell your pills to customers who haven't read the report, don't
want to, and wouldn't understand it if they did.
But what will you do if a diabetic customer capable of understanding
the report, and whose advice other diabetics who shop in your store
listen to, says they'd like to actually read the report first before
buying the capsules, and asks you if you have a copy of it, or if you
know where a copy could be found?
JPG
If you are a physician, as you say you are, it is highly dangerous and
irresponsible to suggest that diabetes can be 'cured', even if you
qualify your subject header by making it a query. As you well know,
diabetes symptoms can be treated, the disease cannot (as yet) be cured.
Any cure that comes about will be due to the ingenuity and efforts of
human beings, not some fantasy sky-being or other religious figure.
Anyone in the USA care to report this individual to the appropriate
American medical authorities?
JPG
Type 2 diabetic and atheist #1919
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Wes Groleau wrote:
> > > > Tragic demon KG wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Science, not superstition is the source of all knowledge and wisdom, and
> > > >> "god" heals nothing and only encourages >ignorance and weakness.
> > >
> > > "science" is the source of SOME knowledge and SOME wisdom--and SOME
> > > superstition.
> > >
> > > And you didn't remove enough newsgroups.
> >
> > Such is the behavior of those whose will is no longer their own.
> >
> > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
> > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love our
> > neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
> > Wes whom I love unconditionally.
>
That is how GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, made me.
Therefore all praises and glory belongs to HIM.
> , as you say you are
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
> , it is highly dangerous and
> irresponsible to suggest that diabetes can be 'cured', even if you
> qualify your subject header by making it a query.
The OP of this thread is Kate (aka Tigerlily), who is not me.
> As you well know,
> diabetes symptoms can be treated, the disease cannot (as yet) be cured.
Diabetes can and has been cured by GOD, Creator of heaven and earth.
> Any cure that comes about will be due to the ingenuity and efforts of
> human beings, not some fantasy sky-being or other religious figure.
Untrue.
> Anyone in the USA care to report this individual to the appropriate
> American medical authorities?
Thankfully, the USA is one nation under GOD.
Americans know GOD to be the Creator of heaven and earth.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
JPG whom I love unconditionally.
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. dung, quack" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1166433745.5...@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> Wes Groleau wrote:
>> > Tragic demon KG wrote:
>> >
>> >> Science, not superstition is the source of all knowledge and wisdom,
>> >> and
>> >> "god" heals nothing and only encourages >ignorance and weakness.
>>
>> "science" is the source of SOME knowledge and SOME wisdom--and SOME
>> superstition.
>>
>> And you didn't remove enough newsgroups.
>
> Such is the behavior of those whose will is no longer their own.
My will is the product of my independent mind.
It is your will, Chunkers, that has been taken over by fantasies and bogus
myths.
<snip ;-)) >
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
>> If you are a physician
>
> That is how GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, made me.
No, you irresponsible, weak little asshole - education and training made you
a physician.
Then you deserted that to become a degenerate liar and a slave to your
"jesus/god" fantasies.
Cary Kittrell
Hey, nice to see you on your feet again after that little bout of
being "totally consumed by holy fire from heaven":
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e0c2d7cdbdcab018?dmode=source
Didja ever notice that they just don't make "totally" like they used to?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Reisa wrote:
> >"Notroll2006" wrote:
> >: Tragic demon "Art Deco" <erfc...@usa.net> wrote:
> >: > ah <splif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >: >
> >: >>Tragic demon Art Deco wrote:
> >: >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >: >>> I am still not litsed in your kookshite, and you are still defective,
> >: >>> Chunk.
> >: >>
> >: >>I demand re-dress, Chunk!
> >: >
> >: > Chunk is not very well trained yet.
> >:
> >: It's a pay site. You have to PayPal $1 to get listed.
> >:
> >:
> >LOL I didn't... All I had to do is call the Hospital where he was FIRED
> >and post all of the information (google stored!) and I was immediately
> >listed on his R.I.P. page where he wished me to die! LOLOL... hmmm
> >guess he ain't that thick with the big guy up stairs.. seems I'm STILL
> >here to post about what a QUACK the Chung-Dung is and NO ONE should
> >listen to a phreakin' word the bubble head has to say..
>
> Link?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ab6777d0d79f89d9?
Fwiw, I have not ever been a hospital employee.
Truth is simple.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister
Like, cheap imported totally from California. Gag me with a spoon!
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
> Fwiw, I have not ever been a hospital employee.
Well, that's probably wrong, but no matter, because you will never be one
again...
> Truth is simple.
Only to idiots looking for simplistic packaged pseudo answers to the
complexities of real life.
> May GOD continue hosing me with HIS living piss water.
<snip>
Kurt Gavin
"Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:em7049$oaa$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
Chunkers was as correct about my demise as he is about his jesus/god
fantasy.
>
>
> -- cary
>
>
Stephen Knight
wrote:
I thought you were dead!?
WTF?
Shouldn't you be gnashing your teeth while Chung dances about
homosexual fantasies with Jebus?
And how come you get to be COMSUMED and the rest of us are only
vanquished!!!!
Fucking, CHUNG!!!!! PRICK!
Favorite playing asshole!
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
Kurt Gavin
"Stephen Knight" <woo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:0hmeo29qm43svcmu3...@4ax.com...
Well, you have to understand the psychological angle...
Chunkers likes jeebus so much because he's a masochist, and wants people to
crucify, or at least urinate on, him.
Apparently, I do a spanking good job at it, and thus, i get the rewards ;-))
>
> Warlord Steve
> BAAWA
Hoof-Hearted
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> JPG wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
d.
>
> Diabetes can and has been cured by GOD, Creator of heaven and earth.
>
Is there no end to your irresposible comments? Coming from a physician
and toally contrary to the Hippocratic Oath. Can someone in the US
report this individual to the appropriate medical authorities or a
diabetes group?
Now get this Mr Heart specialist - DIABETES CANNOT BE CURED, not by
conventional, evidence-based chemotherapy and certainly not by
superstitious nonsense such as god(s) or faith-healing. I hate to
think how many diabetics would die if they relied on god(s) to cure
them.
The only hope of a cure in the future is through stem-cell therapy.
Sadly, your religious buddies are trying to put a stop to that.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldy wrote:
> d.
> >
> > Diabetes can and has been cured by GOD, Creator of heaven and earth.
> >
>
> Is there no end to your irresposible comments?
The truth is not irresponsible.
> Coming from a physician
> and toally contrary to the Hippocratic Oath.
Incorrect:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hippocrates.asp
> Can someone in the US
> report this individual to the appropriate medical authorities or a
> diabetes group?
Fyi, the U.S. is one nation under GOD:
> Now get this Mr Heart specialist - DIABETES CANNOT BE CURED, not by
> conventional, evidence-based chemotherapy and certainly not by
> superstitious nonsense such as god(s) or faith-healing.
You are witnessing firsthand that GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, is
curing diabetes here on usenet:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/1e8b65b045a29778?
Yes, Jolanna's diabetes is being cured by GOD as HE has shown her the
way to lose all her visceral adipose tissue (VAT).
> I hate
No doubt.
> to
> think how many diabetics would die if they relied on god(s) to cure
> them.
Only through faith in LORD Jesus Christ is eternal life possible.
> The only hope of a cure in the future is through stem-cell therapy.
Those stem-cells would die in the toxic milieu of inflammatory
cytokines from visceral adipose tissue (VAT) which is present in the
vast majority of folks with diabetes.
> Sadly, your religious buddies are trying to put a stop to that.
The discerning know that stem cells are useless without GOD's blessing:
Mark K. Bilbo
"I'll get you my pretty! And your little dog too!" -- Holy Spirit
--
Mark K. Bilbo
------------------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
I KILLED YOUR GOD...IT WAS EASY!
%
"I KILLED YOUR GOD...IT WAS EASY!" <NUNI...@BIZZNISS.NET> wrote in message
news:ipednXgxxIJb5xXY...@giganews.com...
> SUCK THE COCK OF CHRIST! --Holy Spirit.
>
if i may , Lun tao
>
Ma¢k
into the madness of usenet:
>Here's the great news. While you scientists kvetch about whther it's
>applicable or not, real, living, breathing diabetics are going to try
>it for themselves. Like my neighbor for instance.
>
>And if it works, they are going to tell their fellow diabetics, kidney
>dialysis patients etc. As the public's eyes open to this natural cure
>(or improvement), then their eyes will gradually open to other natural
>cures and improvements.
>
>A new day is here. Gradually, the drug model for treating diabetics and
>others will crumble, and...with this news...today is its birthday.
are you actually a diabetic?
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into the madness of usenet:
>
>PS. I work in a health food store. You can be sure that along with high
>doses of cinnamon, alpha lipoic acid and such, this will become another
>option, especially for those with neuropathy. Of course, high dose
>SUBLINGUAL vitamin B-12 is yet another option.
isn't this spamming troll that was in here before pushing crap natural
remedies?
Ma¢k
into the madness of usenet:
this troll is a bell south user.
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Ozgirl
> [Default] On 16 Dec 2006 20:15:47 -0800,
awthr...@yahoo.com Giggled
> into the madness of usenet:
>
>>
>>PS. I work in a health food store. You can be sure that
along with
>>high doses of cinnamon, alpha lipoic acid and such, this
will become
>>another option, especially for those with neuropathy. Of
course, high
>>dose SUBLINGUAL vitamin B-12 is yet another option.
>
>
> isn't this spamming troll that was in here before pushing
crap natural
> remedies?
Yes, the one who was pushing a book so you could find out
the big secret to fixing ED (the cure costs $1 but you have
to buy the book to find out what the cure is).
Ma¢k
<are_we_t...@maccas.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet:
thought so, once a lying thief/scammer always a lying thief/scammer.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Tragic demon KG wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> Convicted neighbor Jeff wrote:
> >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>> > Convicted neighbor Jeff wrote:
> >>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > Fwiw, I have not ever been a hospital employee.
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > An indentured servant of Emory University.
> >>>
> >>> So you were an employee of the uniersity. A lot of residents are. Often,
> >>> residents are employees of whateer available entity has the lowest fees
> >>> associated with grants.
> >>
> >> Therefore, I have not ever been a hospital employee.
> >
> > The level of truth in this reply is a good indicator of your overall
> > credibility.
>
> IMHO, I disagree.
You still have free will while demon KG does not.
However, without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
It is GOD who compels you to unwittingly demonstrate that it remains my
choice to continue writing truthfully.
Clearly, you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
In the interim, the demons loiter aimlessly here and there:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/55b9f72abe5705dc?
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, and panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Jeff whom I love unconditionally.
Kurt Gavin
> Convicted neighbor Jeff wrote:
>> Tragic demon KG wrote:
>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> Convicted neighbor Jeff wrote:
>> >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>> > Convicted neighbor Jeff wrote:
>> >>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> > Fwiw, I have not ever been a hospital employee.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Where you a volunteer when you were a resident?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > An indentured servant of Emory University.
>> >>>
>> >>> So you were an employee of the uniersity. A lot of residents are.
>> >>> Often,
>> >>> residents are employees of whateer available entity has the lowest
>> >>> fees
>> >>> associated with grants.
>> >>
>> >> Therefore, I have not ever been a hospital employee.
>> >
>> > The level of truth in this reply is a good indicator of your overall
>> > credibility.
>>
>> IMHO, I disagree.
>
> You still have free will while demon KG does not.
My free will is to laugh at you.
By the way chunkers, as you have been told before, it is YOU who is breaking
Yahweh's commandments by worshipping other gods and worshipping idolic
images, not me.
Therefore, it is YOU chunkers, who is demonic and will be torn limb from
limb by Yahweh.
> However, without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
As has been pointed out, that passage is not in Ecclesiastes, so chunkers
sins again by twisting Yahweh's words.
> It is GOD who compels you to unwittingly demonstrate that it remains my
> choice to continue writing truthfully.
LOL.
<snip demon chung's rantings>
Denis Loubet
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Cary Kittrell
"Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com>
>
> So why are you preaching to demons?
Saint Andrew of Pandaemonium?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> So why are you preaching to demons?
GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either preach or
convince.
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
Denis Loubet
> Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
>>
>> So why are you preaching to demons?
>
> GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either preach or
> convince.
Ok, so why are you informing demons. What good do you think it will do?
> Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
At least it's not a jury of my peers.
--
Denis Loubet
dlo...@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >>
> >> So why are you preaching to demons?
> >
> > GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either preach or
> > convince.
>
> Ok, so why are you informing demons.
At this point, you are not a demon though there are demons loitering
about here on usenet to feed off the dread you have for things that are
of this world:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/55b9f72abe5705dc?
However, you clearly remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1166647325.4...@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> So why are you preaching to demons?
>
> GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either preach or
> convince.
Even if there were a god, he wouldn't need mental defective embarassments
like you to do his bidding.
SNIP
Denis Loubet
> Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So why are you preaching to demons?
>> >
>> > GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either preach or
>> > convince.
>>
>> Ok, so why are you informing demons.
>
> At this point, you are not a demon though there are demons loitering
> about here on usenet to feed off the dread you have for things that are
> of this world:
Not according to your thread title.
Since I have blasphemed the holy spirit, according to you I'm supposed to be
a demon. I would hazard that most, if not all, the atheists in alt atheism
have blasphemed the holy spirit in one way or another at one time or
another, so they're all demons too.
So I ask yet again: Why you are informing demons?
Kurt Gavin
> Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So why are you preaching to demons?
>> >
>> > GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either preach or
>> > convince.
>>
>> Ok, so why are you informing demons.
>
> At this point, you are not a demon though there are demons loitering
> about here on usenet to feed off the dread you have for things that are
> of this world:
Sorry charlie.... no tikkee, no laundry.
The voices in your head do not constitute authority to designate "demons".
You should be under psychiatric care, and you know you should, dont' you....
snip
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> So why are you preaching to demons?
> >> >
> >> > GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either preach or
> >> > convince.
> >>
> >> Ok, so why are you informing demons.
> >
> > At this point, you are not a demon though there are demons loitering
> > about here on usenet to feed off the dread you have for things that are
> > of this world:
>
> Not according to your thread title.
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
Denis Loubet
Clearly you have no answer, so you bluster.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> > Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So why are you preaching to demons?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either preach
> >> >> > or
> >> >> > convince.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ok, so why are you informing demons.
> >> >
> >> > At this point, you are not a demon though there are demons loitering
> >> > about here on usenet to feed off the dread you have for things that are
> >> > of this world:
> >>
> >> Not according to your thread title.
> >
> > Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> Clearly you have no answer, so you bluster.
Clearly you are no longer able to comprehend what you read.
Despite this cognitive deficit, you have wisely chosen not to blaspheme
the Holy Spirit, Who has convicted you.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS using you to
unwittingly be part of HIS proof.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our neighbors a
little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor Cary whom I
Denis Loubet
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1166778903.4...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> > Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
>> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> > Convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> So why are you preaching to demons?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either
>> >> >> > preach
>> >> >> > or
>> >> >> > convince.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ok, so why are you informing demons.
>> >> >
>> >> > At this point, you are not a demon though there are demons loitering
>> >> > about here on usenet to feed off the dread you have for things that
>> >> > are
>> >> > of this world:
>> >>
>> >> Not according to your thread title.
>> >
>> > Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
>> Clearly you have no answer, so you bluster.
>
> Clearly you are no longer able to comprehend what you read.
>
> Despite this cognitive deficit, you have wisely chosen not to blaspheme
> the Holy Spirit, Who has convicted you.
That's funny, I flushed the holy spirit down the toilet this morning. It was
brown, and stank.
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS using you to
> unwittingly be part of HIS proof.
That the holy spirit is excrement? Happy to oblige.
Go wallow in your holy spirit.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
That would have been one of the loitering demons who has attached
itself to your rectum by way of its barbed tongue:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4740de0832e1ab50?
Smiler
Yep. It was the loitering demon with a barbed tongue called Chung.
Fed up of arselicking your god(s) so now you turn to the posters here.
Smiler,
the godless one
Denis Loubet
So apparently I can blaspheme and not be a demon? Then your subject heading
is a lie.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
GOD's will be done and not our will.
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Denis whom I love unconditionally.
GrandpaChuck
Killfile.
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 01:58:20 GMT, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com>
wrote:
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