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Gys de Jongh

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Toddler with type 2 diabetes highlights global obesity epidemic

<http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/16/health-diabetes-toddler-idUSL5N11M1GW20150916>

A three-year-old American girl has been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes
-- a condition linked to obesity -- making her one of the youngest
people ever detected with the disease.

Type 2 diabetes used to be known as "adult-onset" because it is most
common among the middle-aged and elderly, but in the last two decades
increasing numbers of children have succumbed, due to poor diets and
lack of exercise.

Details of the case are being presented on Thursday at the annual
meeting of the European Association for the Study of Diabetes in
Stockholm by Michael Yafi, director of paediatric endocrinology at the
University of Texas, Houston.

For the Hispanic toddler who presented at his Houston clinic, the main
symptoms were excessive urination and thirst, although her past medical
history was unremarkable. However, both her weight of 35 kilos (77
pounds) and her body mass index were in the top 5 percent of all
children her age.

She was put on a diet and given a liquid version of the drug metformin,
since she had trouble swallowing tablets, and after six months she had
lost weight and was able to come off treatment.

Yafi said the case showed that type 2 diabetes could be reversed in
children by early diagnosis, appropriate therapy and changes in lifestyle.

W. Baker

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Gys de Jongh <jonghSevenH...@planet.nl> wrote:

: Toddler with type 2 diabetes highlights global obesity epidemic
Would you consider that reversing the disease or just controlling it by
controllling weight, something that people here often attempt to do adn
sometimes succed at. I thin of Jan, (Oz Girl) who achieved great success
by severly reducing her weight.

What will happen if either this toddler or Jan were to have a weight
reversal? Is there something about this case of the toddler that we
don't know or ae generalizations just being made?

Wendy

Cheri

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"W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
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How would that work for thin type 2's?

Cheri

Ozlover

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Sorry, how would *what* work? I'm a thin type 2, but don't understand
what you're asking.

Wendy, I would consider it "just controlling it", or at most
'reversing the *symptoms*' (i.e. *not* "reversing the *disease*") and
most definately *not* 'cured'.

--
Frank Slootweg

Gys de Jongh

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Sep 17, 2015, 3:15:27 PM9/17/15
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Hi Wendy,
Me and Myself, personal communication, consider this as a reversal of
the T2 condition.

I say condition because, most of the time, I hesitate to call it a disease.

If I have a very painful back because I'm lifting the backside of a
Mercedes some doktors might persuade me to only lift much lighter cars.
This "lifestyle change" will completely cure my condition, Imo.

Imo I did not had a "Mercerdes Lifting Disease" which was only reverted
by the "lifestyle change"

Imo I was stupid enough to put far too much strain on my back

Imo T2 is a condition where people put far too much strain on their
metabolism.

Their body can't cope with the amount of energy, food, they want to put
in their mouth.

The amount of energy, food, they swallow would be enough to lift a Mercedes.

However their metabolism can't (nolonger) do that for them.

You can eat like a Tour The France racer.

You won't winn the Tour The France.

You don't have The Tour The France disease.

You might call it T2.

It can be completely reversed by just eating far less calories of
whatever food you like.

just my 0.02
Gys


subjective reality

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Sep 17, 2015, 7:22:50 PM9/17/15
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I agree Gys.

Although there are some here who believe that this reasoning amounts to
blaming the victim for the disease. I do not share that reasoning.

I have no one to blame but myself for eating badly for most of my life.
It would be so convenient to blame my wife for cooking those carbs and
them tasting so good. However, I know who is to blame.

It is no different than using heroin and then saying it was the heroin
not me who was to blame. Me, I am just a poor victim of heroin. I cannot
blame my wife or the very good tasting carbohydrates.

Changing are diets to extremely low carb has resolved all the
complications and we feel so much better. We just stopped trying to lift
a Mercedes. Presto, no more back pain. We stopped eating almost all
carbohydrates and presto, no more T2 pain.

BTW, I see yet another T2 drug has been implicated in causing cancer.

F00

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On 9/17/2015 6:22 PM, subjective reality wrote:

> Although there are some here who believe that this reasoning amounts to
> blaming the victim for the disease. I do not share that reasoning.
>
> I have no one to blame but myself for eating badly for most of my life.
> It would be so convenient to blame my wife for cooking those carbs and
> them tasting so good. However, I know who is to blame.
>
> It is no different than using heroin and then saying it was the heroin
> not me who was to blame. Me, I am just a poor victim of heroin. I cannot
> blame my wife or the very good tasting carbohydrates.

If there were a genetic factor involved in addiction to heroin one
cannot blame the victim for the addiction. There is no known
genetic factor involved in heroin addiction, however a genetic
factor is well established for diabetes. Like Frank, there are thin
people (thin at the onset and forever after) who are diabetics, and
many fat people who never acquire the disease. The controlling factor
is genetics. Why else does diabetes run in families, even where children
are raised in other environments (like adoption). And children raised
by diabetics who share no genetics with adoptive parents usually never
acquire the disease despite good or bad eating styles.

This is not to say that diet plays no role. The American Indian is the
primary example for both concepts. It was long believed that the
American Indian was genetically immune to diabetes. But once they
progressed from the hunter-gatherer lifestyle to eating what the US
Government provided, diabetes ran rampant, at rates exceeding other
ethnic groups eating similar diets.

The clues are all in what I wrote above. One only has to exercise
ordinary rational logic to arrive to the correct conclusion, that
bad diet alone does *NOT* cause diabetes.

I am glad to hear that you are taking responsibility for your drug
addictions. But please bear in mind that's only the first step towards
a healthy life (assuming you have sufficient intact neurons remaining
after years of substance abuse.)

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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... and avoided entirely by not overfeeding the children:

http://WDJW.net/StopFoodOverdoseNow

Bottom line:

The proximate cause of type-2 diabetes is gluttony.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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... simply hold to the right amount,

which really is 32 oz of daily food:

http://WDJW.net/Guarantee

Oldmilret

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:00:48 -0500, F00 <F...@invalid.net> wrote:

>On 9/17/2015 6:22 PM, subjective reality wrote:
>
>> Although there are some here who believe that this reasoning amounts to
>> blaming the victim for the disease. I do not share that reasoning.
>>
>> I have no one to blame but myself for eating badly for most of my life.
>> It would be so convenient to blame my wife for cooking those carbs and
>> them tasting so good. However, I know who is to blame.
>>
>> It is no different than using heroin and then saying it was the heroin
>> not me who was to blame. Me, I am just a poor victim of heroin. I cannot
>> blame my wife or the very good tasting carbohydrates.
>
>If there were a genetic factor involved in addiction to heroin one
>cannot blame the victim for the addiction. There is no known
>genetic factor involved in heroin addiction, however a genetic
>factor is well established for diabetes.

"Both genetic and environmental variables contribute to the initiation
of use of addictive agents and to the transition from use to
addiction. Addictions are moderately to highly heritable. Family,
adoption, and twin studies reveal that an individual’s risk tends to
be proportional to the degree of genetic relationship to an addicted
relative. Heritabilities of addictive disorders range from 0.39 for
hallucinogens to 0.72 for cocaine."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2715956/

Gys de Jongh

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On 18-Sep-15 03:00, F00 wrote:
> On 9/17/2015 6:22 PM, subjective reality wrote:
>
>> Although there are some here who believe that this reasoning amounts to
>> blaming the victim for the disease. I do not share that reasoning.
>>
>> I have no one to blame but myself for eating badly for most of my life.
>> It would be so convenient to blame my wife for cooking those carbs and
>> them tasting so good. However, I know who is to blame.
>>
>> It is no different than using heroin and then saying it was the heroin
>> not me who was to blame. Me, I am just a poor victim of heroin. I cannot
>> blame my wife or the very good tasting carbohydrates.
>
> If there were a genetic factor involved in addiction to heroin one
> cannot blame the victim for the addiction. There is no known
> genetic factor involved in heroin addiction,

> however a genetic
> factor is well established for diabetes. Like Frank, there are thin
> people (thin at the onset and forever after) who are diabetics, and
> many fat people who never acquire the disease. The controlling factor
> is genetics.

No, the controling factor is the response of your genetic makeup to the
environment you live in.

For a "thin T2" his model of genes did NOT decided to store all the
calorie dense food he ingested, offered by the environment he lives in,
as fat under his skin. No he stored it right away in his liver. He is
thin with a moderate liver fat content. Still his liver is fat enough to
become insulin resistant. Which makes him T2.


F00

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On 9/18/2015 2:45 AM, Oldmilret wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:00:48 -0500, F00 <F...@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2015 6:22 PM, subjective reality wrote:
>>
>>> Although there are some here who believe that this reasoning amounts to
>>> blaming the victim for the disease. I do not share that reasoning.
>>>
>>> I have no one to blame but myself for eating badly for most of my life.
>>> It would be so convenient to blame my wife for cooking those carbs and
>>> them tasting so good. However, I know who is to blame.
>>>
>>> It is no different than using heroin and then saying it was the heroin
>>> not me who was to blame. Me, I am just a poor victim of heroin. I cannot
>>> blame my wife or the very good tasting carbohydrates.
>>
>> If there were a genetic factor involved in addiction to heroin one
>> cannot blame the victim for the addiction. There is no known
>> genetic factor involved in heroin addiction, however a genetic
>> factor is well established for diabetes.
>
> "Both genetic and environmental variables contribute to the initiation
> of use of addictive agents and to the transition from use to
> addiction. Addictions are moderately to highly heritable. Family,
> adoption, and twin studies reveal that an individual’s risk tends to
> be proportional to the degree of genetic relationship to an addicted
> relative. Heritabilities of addictive disorders range from 0.39 for
> hallucinogens to 0.72 for cocaine."
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2715956/


Sorry to see you are so prepared to buy into any 21st century PC
crapola.

"an individual’s *risk* *tends* to be proportional" doesn't say *is*.
Risk is completely different from cast iron fact.

"Heritabilities of addictive disorders range from 0.39 for
hallucinogens to 0.72 for cocaine" but they still don't know.

I see also that emotional factors are not included or covered. One
has to be more than a little crazy to involve themselves in
addictive substance abuse in the first place. And if they weren't
diagnosable at the beginning of addictive behavior, they sure are
once they have been abusing substance(s) for a while.

F00

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On 9/18/2015 3:50 AM, Gys de Jongh wrote:
> On 18-Sep-15 03:00, F00 wrote:
>> On 9/17/2015 6:22 PM, subjective reality wrote:
>>
>>> Although there are some here who believe that this reasoning amounts to
>>> blaming the victim for the disease. I do not share that reasoning.
>>>
>>> I have no one to blame but myself for eating badly for most of my life.
>>> It would be so convenient to blame my wife for cooking those carbs and
>>> them tasting so good. However, I know who is to blame.
>>>
>>> It is no different than using heroin and then saying it was the heroin
>>> not me who was to blame. Me, I am just a poor victim of heroin. I cannot
>>> blame my wife or the very good tasting carbohydrates.
>>
>> If there were a genetic factor involved in addiction to heroin one
>> cannot blame the victim for the addiction. There is no known
>> genetic factor involved in heroin addiction,
>
>> however a genetic
>> factor is well established for diabetes. Like Frank, there are thin
>> people (thin at the onset and forever after) who are diabetics, and
>> many fat people who never acquire the disease. The controlling factor
>> is genetics.
>
> No, the controling factor is the response of your genetic makeup to the
> environment you live in.

Perhaps you don't fully comprehend the meaning of the word "no" which
has an exact parallel in every language known to (and invented) by man.

The correct word you should have used is "and".

It sounds as though Frank's body would have behaved as it has in
any environment that doesn't limit him to a starvation diet.

W. Baker

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Ozlover <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
That's what I thought.

Wendy

Don Roberto

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Why do so many folks here always end up peddling their religious beliefs
when it comes to the term "cure"?

It doesn't matter whether you call an absence of symptoms "controlling
it" or "reversing the symptoms" or "reversing the disease" or a "cure".
Why not call it a success and rejoice?

Don Roberto

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i'll call it what ever i like so don't tell me ,
what to call it , i don't follow your religion

Don Roberto

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Yep. That'll do it most of the time

Don Roberto

Don Roberto

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I was talking about/to folks who no longer have any symptoms. You are
not one of them, i.e., I wasn't telling *you* anything.

Don Roberto
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Hunger = Healthy

Source:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/053043405ea909a0?

Background: It has been extensively shown, mainly in US populations,
that sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs) are associated with increased
risk of type 2 diabetes (T2D), but less is known about the effects of
artificially sweetened beverages (ASBs).

Objective: We evaluated the association between self-reported SSB,
ASB, and 100% fruit juice consumption and T2D risk over 14 y of
follow-up in the French prospective Etude Epidémiologique auprès des
femmes de la Mutuelle Générale de l'Education Nationale–European
Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition cohort.

Design: A total of 66,118 women were followed from 1993, and 1369
incident cases of T2D were diagnosed during the follow-up. Cox
regression models were used to estimate HRs and 95% CIs for T2D risk.

Results: The average consumption of sweetened beverages in consumers
was 328 and 568 mL/wk for SSBs and ASBs, respectively. Compared with
nonconsumers, women in the highest quartiles of SSB and ASB consumers
were at increased risk of T2D with HRs (95% CIs) of 1.34 (1.05, 1.71)
and 2.21 (1.56, 3.14) for women who consumed >359 and >603 mL/wk of
SSBs and ASBs, respectively. Strong positive trends in T2D risk were
also observed across quartiles of consumption for both types of
beverage (P = 0.0088 and P < 0.0001, respectively). In sensitivity
analyses, associations were partly mediated by BMI, although there was
still a strong significant independent effect. No association was
observed for 100% fruit juice consumption.

Conclusions: Both SSB consumption and ASB consumption were associated
with increased T2D risk. We cannot rule out that factors other than
ASB consumption that we did not control for are responsible for the
association with diabetes, and randomized trials are required to prove
a causal link between ASB consumption and T2D.

Source:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/01/30/ajcn.112.050997.abstract

Comment:

Because 100% fruit juice is perceived to be liquid food, folks
drinking it are not doing it to kill their hunger (i.e. they do not
suffer from the "hunger is starvation" delusion).

Otoh, the reason why folks are drinking SSBs and ASBs is to kill their
hunger (i.e. these folks are suffering from the "hunger is starvation"
delusion).

Bottom line: The "hunger is starvation" delusion is what is actually
causing type-2 diabetes because it compels people to mindlessly
acquire visceral adipose tissue (VAT --> http://WDJW.net/VAT ) by
overeating.

Behold in amazement the following example...

http://bit.ly/Julie_Bove wrote:
>
> "I'm starving!"

Source:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e55df55a119465c1?

>
> I don't know why. Had my usual whole wheat toast for breakfast. BG was not
> so good then. 181 before and 258 after. But it had dropped to 121 before
> dinner. Had a brown rice casserole with ground beef and tons of veggies in
> it. BG was 134 after. So slightly higher than it should be but not a
> concern. This was on the lower dose of insulin. Will lower the breakfast
> insulin tomorrow. But...
>
> I am starving!

No you are not.

> Why?

Because starving people are dying from **weeks** of not eating and
dying people can't eat (i.e. are not hungry) much less type and post
on Usenet.

> Could it be that I am now digesting my food?

Being hungry means being able to digest food.

> I just don't know.

You are suffering terribly from the "hunger is starvation" (Genesis
25:32) delusion which scrambles the mind:

"I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!" -- Julie Bove

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/a49IPy7Yhmw/4oFIG3Zv2BUJ

> Ate a handful of peanuts. Didn't quell the hunger.

That which kills the hunger would be killing you.

If you were to increase the amount of peanuts to 100 lbs, it would
likely kill the hunger and you.

> So I ate a bowl of little dill pickles and a few black olives. Still hungry. Grrr...

Yes, your "hunger is starvation" delusion is what caused you to have
type-2 diabetes from the outset and is causing you to be poorly
controlled even with super-concentrated insulin in extremely high
doses:

http://bit.ly/Julie_Bove

Thus, all reading this should be ever more convinced that only the
truth (John 14:6) can cure you:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/_qoh33dZ9P0/4lrDKPhzGqgJ

Being hungrier really is wonderfully healthier and is not starvation:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/NLAT7YMuGrU/Vh0Hw3Z_R-sJ

So don't be an Ayoob or you will most certainly die a
http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://bit.ly/HeartDoc777-touts-hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory to
GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us
right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the http://WDJW.net/VAT from
around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Emory's IMVC.org cardiologist (GA Lic#040347)
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://WDJW.net/Luke2442
which is the absolutely only **healthy** cure for type-2 diabetes

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> pyracantha wrote:

> > Andrew wrote:

> >> > pyracantha wrote:

> >> > Andrew wrote:

> >> >> > pyracantha wrote:

> >> >> >> > can i eat 32 oz of pop tarts each day?

> >> >> >> No according to Genesis 3:14

> >> >> > i'm a human being asking you if i can eat 32 oz of pop tarts each day

> >> >> Eternally condemned and tormented Judas Iscariot was a human being too
> >> >> until satan entered into him.

> >> > asking if one may eat 32 oz of pop tarts each day is not evidence
> >> > that 'satan' has entered into anyone.

> >> Otoh, lack of discernment is evidence that satan has entered into you.

> > i ask again, in your opinion, can i eat 32 oz of pop tarts each day?

> Again, the answer is no according to Genesis 3:14


so the Chung dietary plan is not just; "32 oz of food per day"

32 oz of pop tarts are excluded even though pop tarts

come in a delicious wide variety.

"32 oz of food per day" is not a working dietary plan.

"32 oz of food per day" is just a nonsense tale


> >> > take care not to blaspheme the Holy Spirit Mr. Chung.

> >> Referring to yourself as the Holy Spirit is in fact blaspheming
> >> against Him.

> > not that i have done so

> Actually you have.

no, i said

asking if one may eat 32 oz of pop tarts each day is not evidence that
'satan'
has entered into anyone. take care not to blaspheme the Holy Spirit
Mr. Chung.

and also;

but it is not, blasheming the Holy Spirit to align oneself with the Holy
Spirit
but you are near blaspheming the Holy Spirit when you call one filled
with
the Holy Spirit filled with a demon.


this does not call pyracantha the Holy Spirit but merely
in alignment as one filled with the Holy Spirit is.

if you behave this way when presenting your dietary recommendations
at a convention of the American Medical Association, the audiance
will likely walk out.



> >, but it is not, blasheming the Holy Spirit
> > to align oneself with the Holy Spirit

> To write that you "align oneself with the Holy Spirit" as if He were
> comparable in size to yourself is to again blaspheme against Him.


false, as 'alignment' has nothing to do with size of objects;

---
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/align?s=t

align

verb (used with object)

2. to bring into a line or alignment.

3. to bring into cooperation or agreement with [my examples in
brackets]
a particular group, party, cause, etc.:
He aligned himself with the liberals.
[[[the Holy Spirit aligned her with Jesus Christ]]]
[[[ Jesus Christ aligned him with the Holy Spirit]]]
[[[pyracantha has become aligned with the Holy Spirit]]]

verb (used without object)

5. to fall or come into line; be in line.
[[[pyracantha became aligned with the Holy Spirit]]]

6. to join with others in a cause.
---


> I give all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD for His
> compelling you to unwittingly continue to prove that you are eternally
> condemned. The latter is a consequence of being more cursed (Jeremiah
> 17:5) by the LORD our Mighty (Isaiah 9:6) GOD.

Jeremiah 17:5

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man,
and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.


and this would be you as you cary those man made credentials around with
you in your postings

you claim to speak in the Holy Spirit, but for support you
end you postings with a signature line which reads;

\\\
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Emory's IMVC.org cardiologist (GA Lic#040347)
///

you rely on man made credentials to support your so-called Holy Spirit
annointing.

The Holy Spirit doesn't need your human credentials for support.

you trusteth in man



> May GOD continue to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) and torment you, who are
> eternally condemned, more than ever, in the name of Jesus Christ of
> Nazareth. Amen.


may God actually bless you with the Holy Spirit
this will not help the Chung dietary protocol however
as it is a miserable example of quackery.

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