My Coup at CKLN-FM in Toronto
purple
http://www.nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=164676
[Out of tune at CKLN
COPS ARE BECOMING A SAD FIXTURE AT RYERSON RADIO STATION AS LABOUR
DISPUTE DRAGS ON
by PAUL TEREFENKO
“Please be advised that your volunteer services at CKLN Radio Inc are
no longer required effective immediately” is the entirety of an e-mail
making the rounds among volunteers at the Ryerson University campus
radio station at 88.1 FM that’s seen more than its share of infighting
over the years.
DJ Denise Benson, who’s hosted Mental Chatter for more than two
decades at CKLN, was one of the most recent recipients of
unceremonious termination. She says it’s part of an effort by newly
appointed – and anti-union – management to muzzle outspoken opponents.
Underneath that static, though, lies the old concern that the
station’s eclectic, street-wise and offbeat lefty political mix is
being excised to prepare the way for selling air time to corporate
advertisers.
Does that mean CKLN could become CanTire FM, kind of like Virgin 999
is the new flag being flown by the defunct Mix 99.9? It’s hard to say.
The firings have been taking place smack dab in the middle of a union
drive. Police have been brought in by management to deal with
programmer dismissals and to quell protests outside the offices. But
there’s no denying, at least in the view of management, that something
drastic needs to be done if the station is to get out from under its
six-figure debt.
Says Benson, “People are being fired as a form of censorship rather
than for programming errors.”
Wading through the charges and countercharges being levied by both
sides suggests the purge of staff, some 22 of the 30 in all, began
after a February special meeting of the membership in which some
volunteer programmers called for the ouster of interim station manager
Mike Phillips and interim program director Tony Barnes.
“[The meeting] was not legitimately called and did not follow the
processes laid down by CKLN,” says Phillips, who along with Barnes
remains at his posts.
Volunteer programmers at the station have been getting the boot ever
since.
Benson says three new members of the board, which oversees station
operations, were elected at a subsequent meeting in April, but those
members, who are sympathetic to programmers’ concerns, remain
unrecognized. Since then, CKLN has been a two-headed beast seemingly
intent on mauling itself to death. Management, according to Benson,
actually hired off-duty police officers to keep fired programmers
out.
“It seems to be this megalomania thing of ‘us versus them,’” she
suggests. “They kept deleting me [bleeping parts of her show]
remotely,” says Benson, highlighting the troublesome fact that a
community station known for its outspoken views and committed to
giving a voice to marginalized parts of our society is being
silenced.
Benson fears the firings mark a pending shift in ideology at CKLN,
from grassroots social and political activism to mainstream
commercialism.
“When you look at who’s being dismissed...,” she says.
Phillips maintains that those fired were breaking CRTC rules, although
he’s not specific about which rules those were. “If you have people
decrying the station that is allowing them to go on the air, and
breaking CRTC rules in the process, that can’t be allowed to go on for
very long,” says Phillips.
David James, who DJs on CKLN, has worked at the station for a decade
dealing with funding and student programming. He says talk of a
philosophical shift is crap.
“I’ve heard the rhetoric about ‘Corporate this’ and ‘We’re selling out
that,’ but we’re still going to be alternative,” says James.
He says dismissed programmers are just hiding behind “sanctimonious”
wordplay.
“They appointed their own board. They’re sending letters on fake
letterhead and have tried to seize assets and close down bank
accounts. You can’t fucking do that,” says James, adding that he has
no sympathy for the locked-out radio folk.
His take is that DJs got comfy with radio shows, acting like it was
their right to be there, keeping students out and using programs as
advertising tools for their DJ nights around town.
Phillips admits that paid advertising is an issue the station will be
addressing in the future. The CRTC allows CKLN to air four minutes of
commercials per hour, and that would help defray the $320,000 yearly
operating costs.
“We should be raising $160,000 a year with that. We don’t raise a
third of that now,” Phillips says. He points out that Wal-Mart and
Nike aren’t the desired advertisers, but a business like Canadian Tire
would be. “Canadian company, students buy products from Canadian Tire,
and I’ll say, ‘Thank you very much, sir. I’ll take your money.’”
He also acknowledges that more attention will be paid to attracting
student interest. At rare times over the last few years, he says, CKLN
has had no student programmers at all.
“With the amount of money students are giving the station, we’re
certainly concerned with the governance there,” says Ryerson Student
Union vice-president of finance and services Toby Whitfield, a CKLN
board member who is watching the slow burn carefully.
Whitfield is also worried about CKLN management bringing in police to
deal with personnel issues. Ideally, he says, CKLN would offer a
mentorship program allowing students to benefit from the station’s
pool of experienced radio hosts and managers.
“There are students who have no idea how to function in a radio
station, and we have an amazing opportunity with volunteers who have
been around for a long time to work together in a co-op set-up,”
suggests Whitfield.
That ideal keeps receding with the departure of long-time programmers.
Another big blow was delivered when paid staffer news director Kristin
Schwartz returned from parental leave to discover she’d been canned
without warning.
“I was shocked. I had no inkling that they would try to do something
like that, given that it’s a unionized position,” says Schwartz, who
suggests the timing was more than convenient, considering there would
be a strike vote two days after her firing.
Phillips says he has no problem with unions, and claims says there’s
more to it than that.
“We discovered that all sorts of underhanded things were going on,” he
says – namely, attempts to wind people up and stack board meetings
with OCAP and CUPE people.
Listeners, meanwhile, have been left with an on-air void. Benson says
she tuned in to her program slot and was met with music, but nobody
was talking or picking up phones. She says the station isn’t adhering
to CRTC regs and urges people to contact the government body.
Phillips and James both say slots are being filled with programming.
The question is how good could it be?
“It’s going to be a rough year,” admits James. “We’re going to take a
beating and have to slog it out.” ]
The GREAT Bob Dobbs
Modemac
> Watch me, please, as I try to take credit for something that I have nothing whatsoever to do with. But please please please pay attention to me!
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Baldin Lee Pramer
> http://www.nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=164676
>
Or do you only talk about your proximity to real achievers?
Pramer
Rev_CHUCKkey
wrote:
Didn't you see his name ALL OVER that article? He was practically the
centerpiece of the ENTIRE writeup. They couldn't stop talking about
him. I saw his name maybe a hundred...no, a thousand times?
Really, he was so important that (unless he was using another fake
name) the article NEVER mentions his name except where he typed his
FAKE name at the bottom of the post.
Zapanaz
--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby
become a monster. And if you gaze for long into the abyss, the
abyss gazes also into you.
- Friedrich Nietzsche
:: Currently listening to Speed Kills, 1969, by Ten Years After, from "Stonedhenge"
Modemac
> Or do you only talk about your proximity to real achievers?
Dean ran his radio show there until 1991, when he was cancelled. Even
though that happened seventeen years ago, he imagines that he still
has "connections" there as a result. Besides, he hasn't done anything
at all in the seventeen years since he was kicked out there, other
than tricking the occasional fringe zine to do an article in which he
talks about himself and his grand accomplishments.
--
The High Weirdness Project
http://www.modemac.com
Ad Absurdum
> On Sep 5, 12:30 pm, Baldin Lee Pramer <baldinleepra...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > There is nothing in there at all about you. Do you ever do anything?
> > Or do you only talk about your proximity to real achievers?
>
> Dean ran his radio show there until 1991, when he was cancelled. Even
> though that happened seventeen years ago, he imagines that he still
> has "connections" there as a result.
The show Bob used to be involved in ran until recently (its
cancellation was an earlier rumble of the same avalanche this article
is about), and for a while devoted 1/4th of its content (one show a
month) to replaying tapes of his old show. Last time Bob was in
Toronto those most recent hosts and older hosts and unrelated radio
persons and I hung out for a few hours, along with at least two other
local young geniuses, after the Inland Empire screening that Bob and
Bob hosted.
So, if Bob has no "connections" at CKLN, its only because 'the
International Connection was cancelled'..... very recently, not
seventeen years ago.
Try to see this as a correction, not a wild swing in the other
direction.
Rev. Back It On Up 13
Is this interesting? Should I be caring about this?
SODDI
Ad Absurdum
The radio station elimination/litigation situation? Almost certainly
not.
My sporadic campaign to provide alt.slack with more detail than Stang
or Modemac are willing to provide about the mystery of whether Bob has
any competent friends or an audience outside of alt.slack and
fivebodied.com?? Probably not that either.
But over the years I've sometimes found the distortions very
interesting. Sometimes very surprising and hilarious, even.
And I'm sure a rare few SubGenii might find this marginal soap opera
sideshow to the Church interesting enough to prefer better journalism
on the matter than the cartoons usually on offer here.
Rev. Ivan Stang
*I* have reason to care how CKLN does. Hour of Slack has been carried
on that station every Sunday night for many years, thanks to Rev.
David Bachner & co.
>
> My sporadic campaign to provide alt.slack with more detail than Stang
> or Modemac are willing to provide about the mystery of whether Bob has
> any competent friends or an audience outside of alt.slack and
> fivebodied.com?? Probably not that either.
>
> But over the years I've sometimes found the distortions very
> interesting. Sometimes very surprising and hilarious, even.
> And I'm sure a rare few SubGenii might find this marginal soap opera
> sideshow to the Church interesting enough to prefer better journalism
> on the matter than the cartoons usually on offer here.
This would be the perfect time for an articulate guy like you to set
us straight, then.
I know Dean has friends and an audience outside of his little forum.
He still gabs with important persons like Frank Zappa, Tim Leary and
Marshall McLuhan all the time.
So point us to some of that better journalism.
Maybe you meant BETER journalism.
Ad Absurdum
Thanks for the reminder.
> > My sporadic campaign to provide alt.slack with more detail than Stang
> > or Modemac are willing to provide about the mystery of whether Bob has
> > any competent friends or an audience outside of alt.slack and
> > fivebodied.com?? Probably not that either.
>
> > But over the years I've sometimes found the distortions very
> > interesting. Sometimes very surprising and hilarious, even.
> > And I'm sure a rare few SubGenii might find this marginal soap opera
> > sideshow to the Church interesting enough to prefer better journalism
> > on the matter than the cartoons usually on offer here.
>
> This would be the perfect time for an articulate guy like you to set
> us straight, then.
>
> I know Dean has friends and an audience outside of his little forum.
> He still gabs with important persons like Frank Zappa, Tim Leary and
> Marshall McLuhan all the time.
>
> So point us to some of that better journalism.
Well, did you notice that that old Globe and Mail article "Things get
ugly in the world of underground art" was written by someone who
somehow couldn't get in touch with Bob himself for comment (odd for a
manic self-promoter), quotes you twice contradicting yourself, quotes
NThall sounding incoherent, quotes Dave Newfeld sounding reasonable,
and has a name that couldn't be any closer to 'Bob Neveritt-Dean' than
it already is (Robert Everett-Green)?? Green is even his colour on
THE CHART, for cripe's sake. Yet this article is still cited as the
ground of the claim that 'Bob Marshall' is just another of his names.
I know a guy who at least claims he was BM....... and the hypothesis
that this guy is willing to 'play' the former BM repeatedly over the
years to multiple Toronto folks is a lot more complicated than the
hypothesis that Bob had a "connection" at the Globe and Mail who
colluded in making y'all look foolish. Not to mention putting a big
phat Dobbshead in every corporate headquarters and gas station across
all of Canada that morning. Unless granting Bob a 'gotcha' is
fundamentally more complicated, BY DOCTRINE. I'm sure it's not as
complicated as granting him the credit for getting out the word of
"Bob" by any inverted means necessary.
> Maybe you meant BETER journalism.-
"Once they get you into a hospital, it's all over!!"
(a PB sample I'm hoarding ... that guy's voice is GREAT!!)
Rev. Red Hot Lava
Rev Dr Feit C Taj
news:2815cced-ac12-40de...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
So which do enjoy better?
Getting Bob Dean's foreskin stuck in your teeth? Or getting stuck on the
barbs on Carolyn's expresso-coffee-poop-shooter?
--
http://feitctaj.blogspot.com
Just wait until the dead babies start marching. Then you'll be eating your
words.
Toilet Peppermintman
Its either the same same asshole with the a different e-mail or the ad
assurdum dude baiting d00ds here.
SODDI
busy. Please try again in 24 hrs.
Please contact the Big Boss of This Area, Rev. BIOU 13, if you have any
questions or comments.
Rev. Ivan Stang
The only point I get from your convoluted paragraph is that Dean
hasn't had any friends besides other gullible, inarticulate kooks in
many years. Sorry.
>
> > Maybe you meant BETER journalism.-
>
> "Once they get you into a hospital, it's all over!!"
> (a PB sample I'm hoarding ... that guy's voice is GREAT!!)
So direct us to some of that BETTER journalism about Dean.
purple
> So direct us to some of that BETTER journalism about Dean.
There is no journalism about Dean.
Meanwhile, try this:
http://www.axisofevilradio.com
[International Connection Radio Show
with Greg Duffell and Daniel Besharat
Sundays 8:30 - 10:30 am
88.1 FM Toronto
Greg Duffell and Daniel Besharat return to Sunday
morning's International Connection Radio Show
December 16, 2007
Sunday, December 23rd marks the triumphal return of Greg Duffell and
Daniel
Besharat and the International Connection Radio Show to Toronto radio
after
a fourteen month forced absence. As a result of a mediation session
this
past Friday with CKLN, Greg and Daniel's lawsuit with the station was
settled under terms that we will provide to you in the New Year.
Greg and Daniel wish to thank all listeners and friends for the
amazing
support that they have provided and we hope you will tune in on the
23rd at
8:30 am.
Best wishes to everyone for a great 2008.
Greg Duffell
Daniel Besharat]
Ad Ab is apparently unaware that my guys won their suit against CKLN,
came back last December and have caused the whole turmoil at CKLN. And
are winning so far - thanks to me (and they will admit it). Give them
a call when they're on Sunday morning.
The GREAT Bob Dobbs
purple
> Besides, he hasn't done anything
> at all in the seventeen years since he was kicked out there, other
> than tricking the occasional fringe zine to do an article in which he
> talks about himself and his grand accomplishments.
Of course, mode - and this is an exclusive for you - you aren't aware
of Bob Neveritt.
You're gonna have to become a better journalist before I take your
colossal mistakes seriously.
The GREAT Bob Dobbs
Monsignor Tartarus Sanctus
Nothing about you in there either. Can you do *anything* right?
Tartarus
Rev. Back It On Up 13
I look forward to ignorning your complaints.
Also, I have enjoyed taking part in this thread. Thank you, usenet,
for allowing me to be part of this memorable exchange of thoughts.
purple
> *I* have reason to care how CKLN does. Hour of Slack has been carried
> on that station every Sunday night for many years, thanks to Rev.
> David Bachner & co.
Yes, you should care.
As a point of warning you should call CKLN's management as soon as
possible.
I am friends with Bachner's former co-host and according to my
surveillance of David, he got so addicted to late-night radio, that he
gave up his computer life and became a trucker in the U.S. so he could
monitor all the radio he can't live without.
Doug, you stubbornly refuse to be astonished at my connections in
Hollywood and everywhere else (making your "social" history in
comparison incredibly puny).
But you will atone within your lifetime.
The GREAT Bob Dobbs
Sir Studly Spanksalot OBE
> On Sep 5, 1:53 pm, "Rev. Ivan Stang" <st...@subgenius.com> wrote:
>
> > So direct us to some of that BETTER journalism about Dean.
>
> There is no journalism about Dean.
>
> Meanwhile, try this:
Why don't you try going away forever and ever?
Rev_CHUCKkey
wrote:
> Nothing about you in there either. Can you do *anything* right?
Hey, he signed his name to the bottom of it--isn't that enough?
purple
I blew them away!
Monsignor Tartarus Sanctus
Yes, for his purposes, I suppose. He may not be interesting
intellectually, but he is interesting as a psychological study. It
seems he has at least a vague understanding that he is producing
nothing new, and that his only contribution is a sort of performance
art in which he is the clueless coat tail rider.
I suspect, at a deeper level, he is more desperate, really wanting the
spotlight for actual achievements, e.g. for the inspiration for the
Church, for Zappa's music, for Joyce's writing and McCluhan's ideas
about media. He is willing to take what he can get, though, when
people aren't fooled, by giving a knowing wink when this becomes
apparent.
He is not stupid, though, and he has some genuine talents: he is
fluent in gobbledygook, and he is a decent con man.
Or kill him.
Tartarus
Zapanaz
Thunder crashed, Monsignor Tartarus Sanctus laughed madly, then wrote:
>I suspect, at a deeper level, he is more desperate, really wanting the
>spotlight for actual achievements, e.g. for the inspiration for the
>Church, for Zappa's music, for Joyce's writing and McCluhan's ideas
>about media. He is willing to take what he can get, though, when
>people aren't fooled, by giving a knowing wink when this becomes
>apparent.
>
>He is not stupid, though, and he has some genuine talents: he is
>fluent in gobbledygook, and he is a decent con man.
>
>Or kill him.
But think about it. All you actually SEE from him is the
gobbledygook, right? That being the case, isn't all of what you're
saying there things you are reading into/between the lines of what he
says?
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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"The Day After Tomorrow" is rated Pg-13. Millions of people die, but
nobody swears, copulates, undresses or takes drugs.
:: Currently listening to Dirty Lil Secret, 1990, by Queensr˙che, from "Empire"
Rev Egg Plant
Oh, fuck.
2008-1991 = 19.
Dumbasses.
%
>> On Sep 5, 5:47 pm, Ad Absurdum <haecce...@canada.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 5, 4:57 pm, "Rev. Ivan Stang" <st...@subgenius.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sep 5, 4:37 pm, Ad Absurdum <haecce...@canada.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Sep 5, 4:14 pm, "Rev. Back It On Up 13" <eviel...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 5, 4:01 pm, Ad Absurdum <haecce...@canada.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2:24 pm, Modemac <mode...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 12:30 pm, Baldin Lee Pramer <baldinleepra...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is nothing in there at all about you. Do you ever do anything?
>>>>>>>>> Or do you only talk about your proximity to real achievers?
>>>
>>>>>>>> has "connections" there as a result.
>>>
>>>>>>> is about), and for a while devoted 1/4th of its content (one show a
>>>>>>> month) to replaying tapes of his old show. Last time Bob was in
>>>>>>> Toronto those most recent hosts and older hosts and unrelated radio
>>>>>>> persons and I hung out for a few hours, along with at least two other
>>>>>>> local young geniuses, after the Inland Empire screening that Bob and
>>>>>>> Bob hosted.
>>>
>>>>>>> So, if Bob has no "connections" at CKLN, its only because 'the
>>>>>>> International Connection was cancelled'..... very recently, not
>>>>>>> seventeen years ago.
>>>
>>>>>>> Try to see this as a correction, not a wild swing in the other
>>>>>>> direction.
>>>
>>>
>> ADAB> The radio station elimination/litigation situation? Almost certainly
>>>>> not.
>>>
>> STANG> *I* have reason to care how CKLN does. Hour of Slack has been carried
>>>> David Bachner & co.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ad AB> My sporadic campaign to provide alt.slack with more detail than Stang
>>>>> any competent friends or an audience outside of alt.slack and
>>>>> fivebodied.com?? Probably not that either.
>>>
>>>>> But over the years I've sometimes found the distortions very
>>>>> interesting. Sometimes very surprising and hilarious, even.
>>>>> And I'm sure a rare few SubGenii might find this marginal soap opera
>>>>> sideshow to the Church interesting enough to prefer better journalism
>>>>> on the matter than the cartoons usually on offer here.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I know Dean has friends and an audience outside of his little forum.
>>>> He still gabs with important persons like Frank Zappa, Tim Leary and
>>>> Marshall McLuhan all the time.
>>>
>>>> So point us to some of that better journalism.
>>>
>>> somehow couldn't get in touch with Bob himself for comment (odd for a
>>> manic self-promoter), quotes you twice contradicting yourself, quotes
>>> NThall sounding incoherent, quotes Dave Newfeld sounding reasonable,
>>> and has a name that couldn't be any closer to 'Bob Neveritt-Dean' than
>>> it already is (Robert Everett-Green)?? Green is even his colour on
>>> THE CHART, for cripe's sake. Yet this article is still cited as the
>>> ground of the claim that 'Bob Marshall' is just another of his names.
>>> I know a guy who at least claims he was BM....... and the hypothesis
>>> that this guy is willing to 'play' the former BM repeatedly over the
>>> years to multiple Toronto folks is a lot more complicated than the
>>> hypothesis that Bob had a "connection" at the Globe and Mail who
>>> colluded in making y'all look foolish. Not to mention putting a big
>>> phat Dobbshead in every corporate headquarters and gas station across
>>> all of Canada that morning. Unless granting Bob a 'gotcha' is
>>> fundamentally more complicated, BY DOCTRINE. I'm sure it's not as
>>> complicated as granting him the credit for getting out the word of
>>> "Bob" by any inverted means necessary.
> STANG> The only point I get from your convoluted paragraph is that Dean
>> many years. Sorry.
>>>
>>>> Maybe you meant BETER journalism.-
>>>
>
>
> ADAB 2024: Bitch I just corrected your resident factcel on his Bob Dean beat!! Yknow, the link that's used as a low-effort stock response to purple's bullshit, so you don't have to engage with him OR ignore him? The link Bob always laughed at, probably because it contained one or more major errors of fact?
>
> I'm sitting here in Toronto, reading from Team Truth (self-styled) that Bob's radio show had been cancelled many years before, and then I'm turning on the terrestrial radio and hearing Bob's voice over the local airwaves, and you sneer at me when I share this information with your Deanie Bureau Chief?? The 'shitty Deanie' thing would've been to let you continue promoting that major error of fact and laughing up our sleeves at you... did anyone notice that Bob was in no hurry to correct Modemac until I brought it up?
>
> No really, notice that. I noticed it, pretty early on. alt.slack got a lot of mileage out of the *assumption* that if Bob had any favourable facts to share, he would not hesitate to do so. This was always an assumption and there was always evidence to the contrary.
>
> I didn't expect a shower of gratitude but it's conceivable some humility about having smugly promoted such a gross error would've been appropriate. Or better yet just ignore it; anything but this creepy pretense of not being able to read.
>
> I don't know why I didn't respond at the time; I guess I was just too nauseated by yet-another serving of flagrant bad-faith... or ghastly megablindspotted retardation, if these replies were somehow sincerely oblivious to the fact that I was very clearly referring to the speck of reporting I had just provided about CKLN, and why BIOU13 or anyone else might want to know that Bob's radio show was not in fact cancelled decades ago (as SubGenii would obviously prefer to believe), but aired continuously since he left, sometimes devoting their airtime to reruns of his old shows!
>
> And on the off-chance Stang truly couldn't decode the point of my "convoluted" paragraph about the Globe & Mail article: it reads as if ghostwritten by Bob himself. And the author's name reads as a "slightly disguised" version of 'Bob Neveritt-Dean'. I briefly thought it really was a Sockpuppet 4 Bob, but apparently Robert Everett-Green is a real & different guy. Weird coincidence on top of the Thall/Theall and Bruce Powe/Bruce Powers confusions. But at least the phrase "slightly disguised" is appropriate for my hallucination, unlike Stang's Freudworthy phantasy that I was stalking him as "Ol' Dirty Hippie'.
>
> Anyway here's the Great Curator of Bob Dean facts declaring that Bob Dean has never met Frank Zappa, he's just a fanboy, and being told uh no actually Bob did a long interview with Zappa which is considered a classic (Rev Babbles comment):
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.slack/c/hcP7VUmQSzI/m/P2Y2iA5rH4kJ
>
> No word on whether Modemac processed the fact that he'd been confidently 'spreading misinformation' as the pinks these days say. The fact that he was still doing it 8 years later implies probably not.
>
> At least back in 2000 it was still possible for a SubGenius to express loathing toward Bob Dean and yet also give him his due. By the time I showed up the NO DUE FOR YOU! policy had already been imposed by the Dupe Nazis
>
stay away from ryerson
Lane Larson
Brennus
news:04c7468c-cf15-49ce...@googlegroups.com:
> On Friday, September 5, 2008 at 7:53:50 PM UTC-4, Rev. Ivan Stang
> wrote:
>> > On Sep 5, 4:57 pm, "Rev. Ivan Stang" <st...@subgenius.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Sep 5, 4:37 pm, Ad Absurdum <haecce...@canada.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > On Sep 5, 4:14 pm, "Rev. Back It On Up 13" <eviel...@aol.com>
>> > > > wrote
>:
>> >
>> > > > > On Sep 5, 4:01 pm, Ad Absurdum <haecce...@canada.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > On Sep 5, 2:24 pm, Modemac <mode...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > > On Sep 5, 12:30 pm, Baldin Lee Pramer
>> > > > > > > <baldinleepra...@yahoo.
> com>
>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > > > There is nothing in there at all about you. Do you ever
>> > > > > > > > do
> anything?
>> > > > > > > > Or do you only talk about your proximity to real
>> > > > > > > > achievers?
>> >
> Even
>> > > > > > > though that happened seventeen years ago, he imagines
>> > > > > > > that he
> still
>> > > > > > > has "connections" there as a result.
>> >
>> > > > > > this a
> rticle
>> > > > > > is about), and for a while devoted 1/4th of its content
>> > > > > > (one sh
> ow a
>> > > > > > month) to replaying tapes of his old show. Last time Bob
>> > > > > > was i
> n
>> > > > > > Toronto those most recent hosts and older hosts and
>> > > > > > unrelated r
> adio
>> > > > > > persons and I hung out for a few hours, along with at least
>> > > > > > two
> other
>> > > > > > local young geniuses, after the Inland Empire screening
>> > > > > > that Bo
> b and
>> > > > > > Bob hosted.
>> >
>> > > > > > So, if Bob has no "connections" at CKLN, its only because
>> > > > > > 'the International Connection was cancelled'..... very
>> > > > > > recently, not seventeen years ago.
>> >
>> > > > > > Try to see this as a correction, not a wild swing in the
>> > > > > > other direction.
>> >
>> >
>>ADAB> The radio station elimination/litigation situation? Almost
>>certainl
> y
>> > > > not.
>> >
>>STANG> *I* have reason to care how CKLN does. Hour of Slack has been
> ed
>> > > on that station every Sunday night for many years, thanks to Rev.
>> > > David Bachner & co.
>> >
>> >
>> >
> ng
>> > > > or Modemac are willing to provide about the mystery of whether
>> > > > Bob
> has
>> > > > any competent friends or an audience outside of alt.slack and
>> > > > fivebodied.com?? Probably not that either.
>> >
>> > > > But over the years I've sometimes found the distortions very
>> > > > interesting. Sometimes very surprising and hilarious, even.
>> > > > And I'm sure a rare few SubGenii might find this marginal soap
>> > > > oper
> a
>> > > > sideshow to the Church interesting enough to prefer better
>> > > > journali
> sm
>> > > > on the matter than the cartoons usually on offer here.
>> >
>> > > us straight, then.
>> >
>> > > I know Dean has friends and an audience outside of his little
>> > > forum. He still gabs with important persons like Frank Zappa, Tim
>> > > Leary and Marshall McLuhan all the time.
>> >
>> > > So point us to some of that better journalism.
>> >
>> > ugly in the world of underground art" was written by someone who
>> > somehow couldn't get in touch with Bob himself for comment (odd for
>> > a manic self-promoter), quotes you twice contradicting yourself,
>> > quotes NThall sounding incoherent, quotes Dave Newfeld sounding
>> > reasonable, and has a name that couldn't be any closer to 'Bob
>> > Neveritt-Dean' than it already is (Robert Everett-Green)?? Green
>> > is even his colour on THE CHART, for cripe's sake. Yet this
>> > article is still cited as the ground of the claim that 'Bob
>> > Marshall' is just another of his names. I know a guy who at least
>> > claims he was BM....... and the hypothesis that this guy is
>> > willing to 'play' the former BM repeatedly over the years to
>> > multiple Toronto folks is a lot more complicated than the
>> > hypothesis that Bob had a "connection" at the Globe and Mail who
>> > colluded in making y'all look foolish. Not to mention putting a
>> > big phat Dobbshead in every corporate headquarters and gas station
>> > across all of Canada that morning. Unless granting Bob a 'gotcha'
>> > is fundamentally more complicated, BY DOCTRINE. I'm sure it's not
>> > as complicated as granting him the credit for getting out the word
>> > of "Bob" by any inverted means necessary.
> STANG> The only point I get from your convoluted paragraph is that
>> hasn't had any friends besides other gullible, inarticulate kooks in
>> many years. Sorry.
>> >
>> > > Maybe you meant BETER journalism.-
>> >
>
Linus Minimax
> Linus Minimax wrote:
> stay away from ryerson
I'm shouting at a polaroid taped to the wall of an abandoned punk bathroom. Why are you even hearing me? I know perfectly well why I didn't respond then: because I really was just trying to correct modemac's bio without making a big deal out of it. By that point I was no longer interested in trying to engage with Stang.
I thought it might be fun to try to channel some reactions that I didn't express back then since I consider this to be an abandoned building -- sorry not sorry to those who continue to 'live' here for some reason.
It's Menippean phatic communion, whacko. I'll walk where I please.