Hey Ren
Sidney Lambe
hidden behind the internet is like trying to shoot someone in the
back from a long ways away with scoped, high-powered rifle.
It's something that only a cowardly piece of shit of a human
being would do.
And YOU threaten to do hurt people with magick all the time.
Good thing you don't know any magick, isn't it?
Of course, the real bottom line here is that magick doesn't
work that way, and one of the reasons you can't do any magick
is that you don't understand anything about it.
No, magick isn't a new version of Christianity with different
gods that one can pray to and get them to do things for you.
No, magick isn't some supernatural machine you can press the
right buttons on by performing the right ritual.
The other reason is that you spend your whole life running
your mouth on the usenet and irc and web forums and mailing
lists, and one can't learn anything that way.
According to my news logs, you even talk to the idiot trolls
who are currently infesting this group.
Sid
--
My newsfilter kills more than half the posts to these groups,
including replies to any name in my killfile. So if I don't
respond to a reply it is because I didn't see it.
Thou shalt not suffer a troll to speak in thine presence.
Seamus
helplessly:
> Ren. Trying to use magick to hurt someone while you are safely
> hidden behind the internet is like trying to shoot someone in the
> back from a long ways away with scoped, high-powered rifle.
Whiskey-Tango-Fuck?
No, it really isn't. It's nowhere near as accurate or direct.
<snip>
> No, magick isn't a new version of Christianity with different
> gods that one can pray to and get them to do things for you.
Wow. You actually got something right, no-brainer that it is.
> No, magick isn't some supernatural machine you can press the
> right buttons on by performing the right ritual.
Correct, again.
> The other reason is that you spend your whole life running
> your mouth on the usenet and irc and web forums and mailing
> lists, and one can't learn anything that way.
This also seems to be your pattern. To be honest, hypocrisy is so
prevalent that there's no use pointing it out and getting offended by it.
> According to my news logs, you even talk to the idiot trolls
> who are currently infesting this group.
Since you're one of the two trolls currently infesting this group, this
statement is rather humorous.
__
>Do the cyclical "september threads" count as continuous?
It's moot now. September 1993 will go down in net.history as the
September that never ended. - Dave Fischer in 1994, alt.folklore.net
The first recorded outbreak of this was Warren Burstein saying
"It's *always* September, *somewhere* on the net" in response to
a particularly Clueless outburst from Delphi.com on alt.folklore.urban,
in fall 1993. - Wendy M. Grossman, "net.wars"
hy_b...@shaw.ca
> Ren. Trying to use magick to hurt someone while you are safely
> hidden behind the internet is like trying to shoot someone in the
> back from a long ways away with scoped, high-powered rifle.
>
> It's something that only a cowardly piece of shit of a human
> being would do.
>
> And YOU threaten to do hurt people with magick all the time.
>
> Good thing you don't know any magick, isn't it?
>
> Of course, the real bottom line here is that magick doesn't
> work that way, and one of the reasons you can't do any magick
> is that you don't understand anything about it.
>
> No, magick isn't a new version of Christianity with different
> gods that one can pray to and get them to do things for you.
>
> No, magick isn't some supernatural machine you can press the
> right buttons on by performing the right ritual.
>
> The other reason is that you spend your whole life running
> your mouth on the usenet and irc and web forums and mailing
> lists, and one can't learn anything that way.
>
> According to my news logs, you even talk to the idiot trolls
> who are currently infesting this group.
>
> Sid
You are right it is shitty to threaten (or be threatened by) attacks
with magick (or other forms of attacks).
Yes, ren has threatened you, but you are also pretty threatening with
your own language.
So what are you going to do? Are you going to continue this type of
behaviour and wonder why you are being treated this way?
ren
> You are right it is shitty to threaten (or be threatened by) attacks
> with magick (or other forms of attacks).
>
> Yes, ren has threatened you, but you are also pretty threatening with
> your own language.
>
> So what are you going to do? Are you going to continue this type of
> behaviour and wonder why you are being treated this way?
That one is going to continue urinating in his pants while you,
Seamus, Sar, Aine, and I, as well as all the other regulars here -- go
to dinner.
sarchasm
Okay but, since we're all ren, you get to pick up the check.
Sidney Lambe
That makes no sense. How can you compare threatening someone with
serious harm and using words that _some_ people find offensive?
>
> So what are you going to do? Are you going to continue this type of
> behaviour and wonder why you are being treated this way?
Ren is never going to treat anyone who refuses to believe that he
is a powerful mage and the world's final authority on things magickal
with anything but hostility.
You'd know that if you were paying attention.
Sidney Lambe
Well. At least you've lowered your sights. Before, you were going
to slay me with your magickal skills. Now, apparently, you are
only going to give me a bladder infection.
Of course, this fiendish plot will fail too, because you have no
magickal skills at all.
I hope you enjoy dinner with your one supporter and your
sockpuppets. There won't be anyone else there.
Yes, Ren, we all know that your 'fan club' is composed of your
sockpuppets and one human being. And we are amazed that there
is even one human being who is stupid enough to believe in
you.
Considering that you post vicious lies about people all the
time and obviously can't be trusted.
And also considering that you are very careful to hide
your identity so that no one can verify any of your claims
or discover what your life is really like.
You are really just another stupid troll.
hy_b...@shaw.ca
Because it is still offensive.
It is like comparing bodily harm to mental to psychic harm.
What is offensive and hurtful to you, might be enjoyable to another, but
might make another person commit suicide or kill someone else or kill
multiple people.
Hate/abuse/offense makes the world more hateful/abusive/offensive.
I don't know why people interact so much with you and BDDH (or even
myself, or ren or sar or any of us here really) because we act like such
brats sometimes.
But we do, and we are still writing to you.
And you are getting responses. So are you getting what you want out of
your offensive behaviour? If not, change what you are doing, or interact
with someone else, because you can't blame people for responding the way
that they respond. Although, it might feel like you want to blame them
and I understand very much the feeling of being let down because someone
doesn’t respond the way I would like them to, we don’t shape other
people’s reactions to us.
ren threatens and says a lot of crap that I don't like.
I do things he doesn't like.
You do things that I don't like and appears like he doesn't like, and it
seems that I piss you off as well sometimes with my own comments.
But I don’t really know anything about you, so I am only guessing. You
seem rather sockish in your actions because you are so negative to most
people here, so how do I know what is your true/real behaviour or
emotion. Maybe this is just your offensive socking and it is all just an
act for you?
>> So what are you going to do? Are you going to continue this type of
>> behaviour and wonder why you are being treated this way?
>
> Ren is never going to treat anyone who refuses to believe that he
> is a powerful mage and the world's final authority on things magickal
> with anything but hostility.
>
> You'd know that if you were paying attention.
You know, sometimes he says stuff I don't agree with or don't see value to.
But he has proven time and again that he has great value. I have enjoyed
many of his posts and I have been inspired to do great work because of
some of the things that I have read (even if I greatly change his
information to suit me, he still inspired me).
I met the “ren” in real life, but I have no clue if this is the same guy
who is typing here now. I don't know if this is the same person that
inspired me before. But the brand “ren” has a long standing arw
relationship with me, that for the most part has been impressive, even
though he has a tendency to piss me off on occasion or make me feel
crappy on other occasions or make me feel undervalued or hated on other
occasions. But we all do that as people, and I have been accused of much
worse here.
I have also challenged him over our lifetime together, on many occasions
(including about 20 in this post). Over all, I still prefer him in my
life, doing what he does best (which to me is not harassing).
So sid, no. I don't agree with you. I do pay attention to ren. ren has
value, I see it.
It is your own fault if you don't see it.
Most people have value, and if you were not so negative you could see
that value in people, raise them up, raise yourself up and enjoy
something different in life that really makes life matter.
aine
>
> - Show quoted text -
I still have the tab going, Post dinner drinks. Okay..now I am ready
for bed. make sure you tip well.
aine
> Like an anemic kitten, Sidney Lambe <nos...@nospam.invalid> flailed
> helplessly:
>
> > Ren. Trying to use magick to hurt someone while you are safely
> > hidden behind the internet is like trying to shoot someone in the
> > back from a long ways away with scoped, high-powered rifle.
>
> Whiskey-Tango-Fuck?<
Um..that sounds really really interesting. :0)
sarchasm
"sarchasm" <sar.ch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "ren" <ren1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > "hy_bis...@shaw.ca" wrote:
>
> > You are right it is shitty to threaten (or be threatened by) attacks
> > with magick (or other forms of attacks).
>
> > Yes, ren has threatened you, but you are also pretty threatening with
> > your own language.
>
> > So what are you going to do? Are you going to continue this type of
> > behaviour and wonder why you are being treated this way?
>
> >That one is going to continue urinating in his pants while you,
> >Seamus, Sar, Aine, and I, as well as all the other regulars here -- go
> >to dinner.
>
> Okay but, since we're all ren, you get to pick up the check.
>
>I still have the tab going, Post dinner drinks. Okay..now I am ready
>for bed. make sure you tip well.
>
Seamus posted something about whiskey, maybe I'd have a black-and-tan.
aine
>
> - Show quoted text -
A Night cap .. Dream
Sidney Lambe
To you. To others it is expressive and descriptive.
>
> It is like comparing bodily harm to mental to psychic harm.
No. Not liking word is not the same thing as having your life
threatened.
You are being silly.
Talk to any criminal lawyer and ask him/her whether you would like
to be given a civil fine for using 'profanity' or sent to prison
for threatening someoone's life.
>
> What is offensive and hurtful to you, might be enjoyable to another, but
> might make another person commit suicide or kill someone else or kill
> multiple people.
If you think that anything you or I or anyone else can post on the usenet
can cause someone to commit multiple murder, you are stupid.
>
> Hate/abuse/offense makes the world more hateful/abusive/offensive.
There's a vast gulf between hate and offense. Duh.
Using fucking words that you don't like does not constitute fucking abuse.
You are simply trying to impose your standards on myself and others.
I invite you to shove them up your fascist ass.
>
> I don't know why people interact so much with you and BDDH (or even
> myself, or ren or sar or any of us here really) because we act like such
> brats sometimes.
I don't see most of the posts that people make to me. Nor the replies others
make to them. Most of them come from ren's sockpuppets and a dipshit troll
or two. My filter kills them (leaves them on the server).
You might try reading my signature. Unlike ren and the other dipshit
trolls, I mean what I say.
>
> But we do, and we are still writing to you.
But I only see yours and ren's and aine's, as a rule, and I don't read
most of aine's abusive and juvenile replies to my posts.
Speaking of being bothered by abuse and such, why haven't you
taken ren to task for threatening people with death by magick,
you stinking hypocrite?
Or aine for her continual verbal abuse?
Or Ren for his malicious lies about people?
The rest of your post is just bitchy repetitive.
If you don't like my style, don't read my posts.
[delete]
ren
> Okay but, since we're all ren, you get to pick up the check.
Happy to. Don't order "Allah" Carte.
ren
> I still have the tab going, Post dinner drinks. Okay..now I am ready
> for bed. make sure you tip well.
Drink anything from the bar. Just don't run-up the drink tab.
ren
> wrote stuff.
I appreciate you too, hy. I have a question for you. Why haven't you
voiced your opposition to my magickal threats? You could have even
privately emailed me.
Everybody here on this newsgroup knows that I do a lot of boasting and
threatening. It is when I get very quiet and stop responding to them
-- that is when I'm serious about my threats.
I'll say it again for those who don't remember or those who don't know
me. The only thing that will get someone in real trouble is if they go
after me in person. Insult me all you want. I can handle it. You
aren't going to be hurt for it. But don't go trying to find out
information about me. I constitute that as a threat.
I have nothing to gain by proving any magickal powers. The people who
demand proof are the people who should never have it.
Sidney Lambe
As long as she remains ignorant enough to believe that know
anything about magick.
> I have a question for you. Why haven't you voiced your
> opposition to my magickal threats? You could have even
> privately emailed me.
You shouldn't have to be told that threatening people is wrong.
Only sociopaths need to be told that threatening people is wrong.
>
> Everybody here on this newsgroup knows that I do a lot of boasting and
> threatening. It is when I get very quiet and stop responding to them
> -- that is when I'm serious about my threats.
Your threats are utterly meaningless. They are nothing but hot air.
No one but you takes them seriously.
You have no magickal skills at all.
>
> I'll say it again for those who don't remember or those who don't know
> me. The only thing that will get someone in real trouble is if they go
> after me in person.
I can't imagine why anyone would bother going after a silly
windbag like you. You aren't a threat to anyone except in your
own twisted mind.
> Insult me all you want. I can handle it. You
> aren't going to be hurt for it. But don't go trying to find out
> information about me. I constitute that as a threat.
Ren, you have been hanging out with idiot trolls for much too
long. If someone was really intent on harming you, and had the
means, they aren't going to announce it on the internet.
Criminals do not announce their intentions to commit crimes
in public. Idiot trolls who can't do anything but run their
mouths announce crimes they'd like to commit.
(Just like you are always threatening people with magickal
powers you don't have.)
They'd just do it. Anyone with a thousand bucks could hire
a large private investigations firm, anonymously, and they'd
track you down in a blink. You wouldn't know it was happenning
and there isn't anything you could do about it if you did.
Then they'd go through the stacks of personal data on you that
was provided by the firm and figure out the best way to catch
you alone and unawares and that would be the end of you.
It wouldn't even be a challenge and it would look like just
another random act of profit-oriented violence. Your basic
mugging.
Ren, the only reason you are still breathing is that you
aren't a threat to anyone.
> I have nothing to gain by proving any magickal powers. The people who
> demand proof are the people who should never have it.
You don't have any magickal powers. What you have is a big mouth.
You are a fraud. A charlatan. A fake. A phoney. A con arist.
A pathetic little creep hiding behind the internet and fake
names spinning feeble illusions.
aine
> hy_bis...@shaw.ca <hy_bis...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Sidney Lambe wrote:
You know you like me.. you want to date me.. I am in you soul Sid
I am an itch you need to scratch but cannot reach..so you yell at it
and bitch about how you hate it.
aine
Head on a platter side dish.
sarchasm
> "sarchasm" <sar.ch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
.
> Okay but, since we're all ren, you get to pick up the check.
>
>Happy to. Don't order "Allah" Carte.
>
Nah, even the heads-on-a-platter special is unappetizing.
aine
> hy_bis...@shaw.ca <hy_bis...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Sidney Lambe wrote:
How Raven of you...
Sidney Lambe
Aine, I dumped your replies to me unread.
I have become bored with opening your articles and
find what properly belongs in a toilet bowl.
aine
So I should lap up what spills over? Works for me.
aine
> Sidney Lambe <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> Aine, I dumped your replies to me unread.<
You always say that Sid...You Lie
>
> I have become bored with opening your articles and
> find what properly belongs in a toilet bowl.<
You said you liked that.. Oh, we are doing passive today. Must be
Friday. (licks finger..applies to butt...sssssssss)
aine
> ren <ren1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 19, 12:26=A0pm, hy_bis...@shaw.ca wrote:
> >> wrote stuff.
>
> > I appreciate you too, hy.
>
> As long as she remains ignorant enough to believe that know
> anything about magick.
>
> > I have a question for you. Why haven't you voiced your
> > opposition to my magickal threats? You could have even
> > privately emailed me.
>
> You shouldn't have to be told that threatening people is wrong.
>
> Only sociopaths need to be told that threatening people is wrong.<
Sid, threatening people is wrong!
ren
> I am an itch you need to scratch but cannot reach..so you yell at it
> and bitch about how you hate it.
That guy acts just like David. He is obsessed.
ren
> So I should lap up what spills over? Works for me.
Then again, run up the tab.
aine
aine
I am running up the mini fridge tab. That can get pricey. Too cold to
move to the bar. The snow will make me wet and I will stick to the
pole when I dance. Sticking wood in the fire with my blue frozen toes
while wrapped in a Monk blankie. I thought Forks only had rain? bahaha
hy_b...@shaw.ca
> Why haven't you
> voiced your opposition to my magickal threats? You could have even
> privately emailed me.
I have spoken of this to you. I try to not email you privately, as I
know you are busy and prefer to keep things on the newsgroup and I don’t
think you appreciate private emails from me in any regard.
If you do not think that I have spoken to you of this, perhaps I was not
clear enough to you. I may have said something like "I don't like this
behaviour" and that probably would have referred to the magickal
threats. Perhaps you didn't see what I said amongst all of my many
threads and many things that I wrote. Or you could have understood me
differently than I meant you to.
But I also realize that you have threatened me with magick in my past.
I also realize the feelings that I went through.
I believe I am stronger for it.
So I don't like the posts, but I see some value in these sorts of posts.
I tend to skip those posts of yours so I am not involved and don't feel
that way about you.
Right now, I read maybe half of your posts because I don't like to read
certain things that you get into.
> Everybody here on this newsgroup knows that I do a lot of boasting and
> threatening. It is when I get very quiet and stop responding to them
> -- that is when I'm serious about my threats.
I don't think you are talking to me as much as in general, but I can
still see some of what you are saying as pertaining to me.
> I'll say it again for those who don't remember or those who don't know
> me. The only thing that will get someone in real trouble is if they go
> after me in person. Insult me all you want. I can handle it. You
> aren't going to be hurt for it. But don't go trying to find out
> information about me. I constitute that as a threat.
Again, I feel this in general for anyone. But I do you feel that I have
been this way for you? I am aware of what I think is ok to ask might not
be ok for you, but I am also aware that I can worry about stuff that you
probably don't care about.
> I have nothing to gain by proving any magickal powers. The people who
> demand proof are the people who should never have it.
I don't tend to have anything to do with people who demand proof.
Who cares. This is my spiritual path and it is up to me to know about
myself. No one needs to know anything else about me or what I can do.
ESPECIALLY THE TYPES OF PEOPLE WHO DEMAND PROOF DO NOT GET MY ATTENTION.
So I don't expect you to have proof, ren. You have proven yourself to
me, many times. And, no I don't mean the times when it seems to me you
are trying to prove yourself to me (or trick me into thinking you are)
as much as other times when we aren't having interaction so much, or
well ways I don't feel like explaining.
hy_b...@shaw.ca
> Speaking of being bothered by abuse and such, why haven't you
> taken ren to task for threatening people with death by magick,
> you stinking hypocrite?
>
> Or aine for her continual verbal abuse?
>
> Or Ren for his malicious lies about people?
>
> The rest of your post is just bitchy repetitive.
>
> If you don't like my style, don't read my posts.
Oh come on now. You obviously have skipped years of me ranting on for
months doing exactly that (taken someone for tasks for what they have
done or being taken to task for what I have done).
Or you are pretending not to know about my months and years of ranting.
I don't read many of your posts because of the language you use and the
fact that what you are writing about is not appealing to me or is very
off topic for me, or I strongly disagree with you so much that it isn't
worth even replying to, let alone reading more of.
hy_b...@shaw.ca
Why are you attacking him with such insults? What is your hate on for ren?
How can you post to me saying that insulting someone in a newsgroup
can't cause physical harm and then threaten ren with someone looking him
up and causing harm to him?
Sidney Lambe
> Sidney Lambe wrote:
>
>
>> Speaking of being bothered by abuse and such, why haven't you
>> taken ren to task for threatening people with death by magick,
>> you stinking hypocrite?
>>
>> Or aine for her continual verbal abuse?
>>
>> Or Ren for his malicious lies about people?
>>
>> The rest of your post is just bitchy repetitive.
>>
>> If you don't like my style, don't read my posts.
>
>
> Oh come on now. You obviously have skipped years of me ranting on for
> months doing exactly that (taken someone for tasks for what they have
> done or being taken to task for what I have done).
>
> Or you are pretending not to know about my months and years of ranting.
I've only been hanging around here, according to the earliest post
in my newspool, since:
#From: "Michael Gleason" <gleaso...@comcast.net>
#Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca
#Subject: BOOK REVIEW - Everyday Witch A to Z
#Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:31:06 -0400
>
> I don't read many of your posts because of the language you use and the
> fact that what you are writing about is not appealing to me or is very
> off topic for me, or I strongly disagree with you so much that it isn't
> worth even replying to, let alone reading more of.
Yes. I understand clearly that you are much more comfortable with
the theatrical crap that Ren teaches, which is a bizarre amalgam
of Christianity, Tolkien, and Carlos Castaneda, all carefully
dumbed down to make it saleable to the masses and given a nice
set of new age clothing.
That's why you can't do anything magickal, just like him.
Follow an asshole like that and there's only one place he'll
lead you: To a septic tank.
Sidney Lambe
Well, it has a lot to do with the fact that I despise charlatans.
And his attacks on me, most of which have involved malicious lies,
have something to do with it. As well as his attacks on BBDD, which
have also been ugly and vicious and dishonest.
>
> How can you post to me saying that insulting someone in a newsgroup
> can't cause physical harm and then threaten ren with someone looking him
> up and causing harm to him?
I haven't threatened Ren. you need to take a remedial reading
class. I am trying to educate him because he has been hanging out
with stupid trolls for too long and has begun to believe their
bullshit. _HE_ is nothing but another dipshit troll who can't do
anything but run his punk mouth while hides behind fake names and
the internet.
Ren isn't a threat to anyone except in his own imagination.
There is no reason to do anything about or to him except
laugh at his pathetic attempts to convince people that
he's a powerful mage.
He's a powerful bullshitter.
hy_b...@shaw.ca
I don't think that I follow any Tolkien, or Carlos Castaneda. But I have
used other sci fi.
It works for me, Sid.
aine
> hy_bis...@shaw.ca <hy_bis...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Sidney Lambe wrote:
>
> >> Speaking of being bothered by abuse and such, why haven't you
> >> taken ren to task for threatening people with death by magick,
> >> you stinking hypocrite?
>
> >> Or aine for her continual verbal abuse?
>
> >> Or Ren for his malicious lies about people?
>
> >> The rest of your post is just bitchy repetitive.
>
> >> If you don't like my style, don't read my posts.
>
> > Oh come on now. You obviously have skipped years of me ranting on for
> > months doing exactly that (taken someone for tasks for what they have
> > done or being taken to task for what I have done).
>
> > Or you are pretending not to know about my months and years of ranting.
>
> I've only been hanging around here, according to the earliest post
> in my newspool, since:
>
> #Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca
> #Subject: BOOK REVIEW - Everyday Witch A to Z
> #Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:31:06 -0400
>
>
>
> > I don't read many of your posts because of the language you use and the
> > fact that what you are writing about is not appealing to me or is very
> > off topic for me, or I strongly disagree with you so much that it isn't
> > worth even replying to, let alone reading more of.
>
> Yes. I understand clearly that you are much more comfortable with
> the theatrical crap that Ren teaches, which is a bizarre amalgam
> of Christianity, Tolkien, and Carlos Castaneda, all carefully
> dumbed down to make it saleable to the masses and given a nice
> set of new age clothing.
>
> That's why you can't do anything magickal, just like him.
>
> Follow an asshole like that and there's only one place he'll
> lead you: To a septic tank.
>
> Sid
>
> --
> My newsfilter kills more than half the posts to these groups,
> including replies to any name in my killfile. So if I don't
> respond to a reply it is because I didn't see it.
>
> - Show quoted text -
I don't get it. Ren talks about his path but he does not charge for
healing or spiritual work.Has stated he is not a teacher, nor has he
suggested healings by him here.
Hy, as talked about here in arw many times is a healer/councelor who
charges clients and yet you call ren a charlatan and treat Hy decent.
Makes no sense.
Sidney Lambe
Of course it does. You can say the trendiest things and feel all
wonderfully evolved and enlightened.
Until someone, like me, posts ideas that contradict your
new-age-happy-talk-belief-drug, and then you get all upset and
have a tizzy fit.
I only have to know one thing about you to know that you can't
tell your own asshole from a hole in the ground: You take Ren
seriously.
By the way, another reason I despise that little charlatan is
his use of sockpuppets to harass anyone who won't fall for
his pathetic con.
According to my news logs you actually talk to them, which
indicates that you aren't aware that you are talking to Ren.
But I could be wrong about that. Perhaps you are berating
him for using such cheap tricks to eliminate the competition.
I don't download his sockpuppets' articles, just the basic
(xover) headers. Or those of any replies to them.
(I am in no way his competition. I don't want to be a priest with
little sheep followers. But he sees it that way.)
Sidney Lambe
> healing or spiritual work.
First of all, he doesn't do any healing or 'spiritual work' (try to
be a little more vague, why don't you) because he can't.
And you don't know all that he does because you don't know who he is.
Like all internet con artists he is very careful to hide his identity.
Nor is money the only thing of value to people. Being considered to
be spritually advanced and a powerful mage is basically a drug. An
ego-boost.
You haven't said whether he charges for killing people with magick,
which is something he is always threatening to do.
(Which indicates just how spiritually advanced he really is.)
> Has stated he is not a teacher,
Don't play stupid lawyer games with us. He implies it constantly.
> nor has he suggested healings by him here.
That's hardly surprising. He'll never allow anyone to test his
alleged magickal abilities. Guaranteed.
> Hy, as talked about here in arw many times is a
> healer/councelor who charges clients
I go by what I see here. She's never said anything like that
in a post that I've read.
> and yet you call ren a
> charlatan and treat Hy decent.
>
> Makes no sense.
Well. Hy doesn't threaten to kill me with magick. Hy doesn't
post malicious lies about me. Hy doesn't imply that she's
a powerful mage with all sorts of amazing abilities that she
then refuses to demonstrate. Hy doesn't use sockpuppets to
harass me.
It obviously does make sense and you are simply lying. Again.
You and Ren are extremely dishonest people.
Dishonesty is not a sign of 'spiritual' development.
Duh.
ren
> Who cares. This is my spiritual path and it is up to me to know about
> myself. No one needs to know anything else about me or what I can do.
> ESPECIALLY THE TYPES OF PEOPLE WHO DEMAND PROOF DO NOT GET MY ATTENTION.
I'm glad to hear it.
aine
>
> - Show quoted text -
Interesting. Thank-you for the validation out loud~
Aunty_Kreist
As usual, you are so busy pointing fingers and laying blame on everyone else
that you fail to see your own erratic, bullshitastic, and delusional
behavior. If Delusions of Grandeur had a face, it would be your ugly onion
mug. You have absolutely no information of worth to add. It's just the
typical name calling and trolling that we've come to expect from you from
over a decade of reading your senseless, myndeless drivel.
To quote yourself:
Please seek professional help for your continued delusions.
"Sidney Lambe" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:3tbu16x...@amma.net...
Aunty_Kreist
anger and rage come from- you are refusing to admit to, and denying yourself
your own sexual orientation.
"Sidney Lambe" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:qfcu16x...@amma.net...
Aunty_Kreist
"Sidney Lambe" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> Of course it does. You can say the trendiest things and feel all
> wonderfully evolved and enlightened.
This is like reading a seventh grade girl, for heaven's sakes.
> Until someone, like me, posts ideas
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111eleventy!!!!!!111
that contradict your
> new-age-happy-talk-belief-drug, and then you get all upset and
> have a tizzy fit.
I haven't seen anyone have a meltdown here except you, Devon...er..."Chive".
> I only have to know one thing about you to know that you can't
> tell your own asshole from a hole in the ground: You take Ren
> seriously.
Tsk tsk tsk. All this talk about assholes, ren and the ground. Have you
sought therapy for your sexual orientation problems?
> By the way, another reason I despise that little charlatan is
Because yer hot for his bod?
> his use of sockpuppets to harass anyone who won't fall for
> his pathetic con.
Oh, this is just rich!!! Says Chive Myndeless, one of the most reknowned
sockpuppets and trolls on Usenet. Master heed thine own advice.
> According to my news logs you actually talk to them, which
> indicates that you aren't aware that you are talking to Ren.
A little paranoia creeping in too now?
>
> But I could be wrong about that. Perhaps you are berating
> him for using such cheap tricks to eliminate the competition.
> I don't download his sockpuppets' articles, just the basic
> (xover) headers. Or those of any replies to them.
Riiiight. That's why there's dozen of replies from you daily to ren,
constant threads started by you about him, and every response made to others
mentions him. Admit it, Chive- you're in love with the man.
> (I am in no way his competition.
You couldn't compare to him on your best day, chump.
I don't want to be a priest with
> little sheep followers. But he sees it that way.)
Nope, instead you're a pungent little onion with many little sprouts.
Sidney Lambe
>
Ren said:
>> I have nothing to gain by proving any magickal powers.
Yes you do. People would quit thinking that you are fraud
and a charlatan.
>> The people who
>> demand proof are the people who should never have it.
What a convenient philosophy.
Tailor-made for a charlatan.
>
>
> I don't tend to have anything to do with people who demand proof.
I'll bet.
>
> Who cares. This is my spiritual path and it is up to me to know about
> myself. No one needs to know anything else about me or what I can do.
I don't see what proof has to do with a spiritual path.
I'm certainly not talking about spiritual paths. I'm talking about
people who claim they do things like kill people with magick, which
Ren has done, repeatedly.
> ESPECIALLY THE TYPES OF PEOPLE WHO DEMAND PROOF DO NOT GET MY ATTENTION.
I don't give a fuck whether I get your attention or not.
But if you are going to make claims of magickal abilities, you
had better be prepared to demonstrate them, or I'm going to
think you are stupid con artist like Ren. And so will everyone
else.
>
> So I don't expect you to have proof, ren. You have proven yourself to
> me, many times.
No he hasn't. He's posted a bunch of bullshit that any imaginative
person could have made up after skimming a few topical webpages.
> And, no I don't mean the times when it seems to me you
> are trying to prove yourself to me (or trick me into thinking you are)
That's a telling statement.
> as much as other times when we aren't having interaction so much, or
> well ways I don't feel like explaining.
I've never seen Ren demonstrate anything but his meanness and dishonesty
and deceitfulness and homicidal tendencies.
Oh yeh. Once he claimed he was channelling a 'spirit'. That was
pretty amusing.
Wait! I've got a spirit coming in. It's the spirit of Bozo the Clown and
he wants me to say hello for him to his brother Ren.
See? It isn't hard at all.
:-)
aine
Ren-envy much Sid?
aine
> aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't get it. Ren talks about his path but he does not charge for
> > healing or spiritual work.
>
> First of all, he doesn't do any healing or 'spiritual work' (try to
> be a little more vague, why don't you) because he can't.<
Then I guess he is of no harm since he charges no one for his skills.
BTW..You are running peoples posts together and answering as if people
should know who wrote what. Reason?
> And you don't know all that he does because you don't know who he
is.
> Like all internet con artists he is very careful to hide his identity.<
Ah, but that is speculation on your part or fishing for information.
There is not one person I would ever tell the truth about ren if I
indeed did know it.
Then there is the fact you believe us all to be ren so, I would indeed
know who ren is.
>
> Nor is money the only thing of value to people. Being considered to
> be spritually advanced and a powerful mage is basically a drug. An
> ego-boost.<
I am spiritually advanced and a powerful mage. It is neither my drug
nor money to me. It is just what I am.
>
> You haven't said whether he charges for killing people with magick,
> which is something he is always threatening to do.<
No, ren is not always threatening to kill people with magick. You are
peacocking that. Making it into what it is not. Out of context.
>
> (Which indicates just how spiritually advanced he really is.)<
Which indicates you cannot discuss things because you take them out of
context and insist they are truth. You and Hy.
>
> > Has stated he is not a teacher,<
>
> Don't play stupid lawyer games with us. He implies it constantly.<
Us? You are an us now? Implying something is not a statement. I see
your posts as implications you think yourself a teacher. I could and
have said the same about yourself to which you reply you have never
stated that. Goes round and round doesn't it?
>
> > nor has he suggested healings by him here.<
>
> That's hardly surprising. He'll never allow anyone to test his
> alleged magickal abilities. Guaranteed.<
That is his choice but certainly no indication of the truth as you see
it. You are making up an answer. Making up an ending to why you
believe something to be true.
>
> > Hy, as talked about here in arw many times is a
> > healer/councelor who charges clients
>
> I go by what I see here. She's never said anything like that
> in a post that I've read.<
Oh..Okay so it doesn't matter if someone does something in real life.
You just are out to get ren. It is not about Charlatans really..It is
about ren because other wise Hy would be a major charlatan for
scamming people out of hard earned money for soul retrievals and such
that can never be proven. And it is a pretty penny she charges.
>
> > and yet you call ren a
> > charlatan and treat Hy decent.
>
> > Makes no sense.
>
> Well. Hy doesn't threaten to kill me with magick. Hy doesn't
> post malicious lies about me. Hy doesn't imply that she's
> a powerful mage with all sorts of amazing abilities that she
> then refuses to demonstrate. Hy doesn't use sockpuppets to
> harass me.<
You came here willingly with your own game. Yes, Hy says things about
you that others have you say are malicious lies. Difference still? She
charges money and has a number you can call. A website you can
internet council through. I think over a hundred dollars or more for
spiritual work and healing says quite clearly she believes herself a
powerful mage/shaman.
Yet still with the excuses eh? Yes, I am sure you will have an excuse
but really this is not about charlatans in general and saving people
from them..it is about your dislike of ren, possibly me and a couple
others.
Who is the charlatan? You.
>
> It obviously does make sense and you are simply lying. Again.<
>
> You and Ren are extremely dishonest people.<
As for me, I have learned there are subjects that are none of peoples
business. What I know of ren is one of them. Defending my life is
another. People who try to police my life will here what I want to
tell them. Dishonest? Depends. Learn what is your right to know or
change about another more likely the reason you get dishonest answers
from many. The real factor is that you and another are told the truth
and then decide it is your right to change the information to fit your
desires.
> Dishonesty is not a sign of 'spiritual' development.<
Actually, there are cultures that do indeed use dishonesty to teach
when the situation calls for it. An eye for an eye. Druids are known
to teach lessons in that manner.
>
> Duh.<
Duh? Is that a spiritual comment? Duh buh Sid..dishonesty is not a
sign of non spiritual behavior. Either are curses and threats.
>
> Sid<
Aine~
ren
> Chive, Chive, Chive.
> As usual, you are so busy pointing fingers and laying blame on everyone else
> that you fail to see your own erratic, bullshitastic, and delusional
> behavior. If Delusions of Grandeur had a face, it would be your ugly onion
> mug. You have absolutely no information of worth to add. It's just the
> typical name calling and trolling that we've come to expect from you from
> over a decade of reading your senseless, myndeless drivel.
That was clever, Aunty. Chive Myndless.
Aunty_Kreist
respond to people he claims to have "kill filed". You know he's sitting
there in his drawers, reading and seething over every post.
"ren" <ren...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a4a0be3c-7c5f-4b69...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
ren
> It's hilarious to see him getting angrier and angrier, yet refusing to
> respond to people he claims to have "kill filed". You know he's sitting
> there in his drawers, reading and seething over every post.
I'm supposed to be noble and say that I find no pleasure in this.
However, I would be lying.
He really seems to care, about what I don't know!
Sidney Lambe
> On Dec 20, 1:01=A0pm, Sidney Lambe <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> hy_bis...@shaw.ca <hy_bis...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Ren said:
>>
>> >> I have nothing to gain by proving any magickal powers.
>>
>> Yes you do. People would quit thinking that you are fraud
>> and a charlatan.
>>
>> >> The people who
>> >> demand proof are the people who should never have it.
>>
>> What a convenient philosophy.
>>
>> Tailor-made for a charlatan.
>>
>> > I don't tend to have anything to do with people who demand proof.
>>
>> I'll bet.
>>
>> > Who cares. This is my spiritual path and it is up to me to know about
>> > myself. No one needs to know anything else about me or what I can do.
>>
>> I don't see what proof has to do with a spiritual path.
>>
>> I'm certainly not talking about spiritual paths. I'm talking about
>> people who claim they do things like kill people with magick, which
>> Ren has done, repeatedly.
>>
Why would I envy someone who is making a complete fool of himself
and destroying his own reputation by posting obvious malicious
lies about people and repeatedly threatening to harm people with
magick who continue to remain unharmed?
And who has two real supporters in the whole world, one, you,
who posts incredibly stupid things like the above. Repeatedly.
Here's what we know about Ren from his own postings:
1. He's incredibly immature and has the mentality of a sociopath,
threatening to kill people for simply refusing to believe everything
he posts, and at the drop of a hat.
2. He's incredibly dishonest, posting obvious malicious lies about
people without a second thought. Over and over again.
3. He's a complete charlatan, claiming the ability to do serious
harm to people with magick and threatening repeatedly to harm
them with magick, and yet no one has been harmed in any way.
4. He's stupid. Dumb as a brick. If he wasn't, he wouldn't do any
of the above. Even if he wanted to do the above he would keep
his mouth shut if he wasn't dumb as a brick.
5. He's a complete coward, hiding his identity so that no one
can look into his life and background and validate his
claims. Any rational person would assume, based on this fact
alone, that he was a fraud.
6. He's about as far as you can get from being spiritually evolved.
He'd be better off trying to convince people that he was the
despotic dictator of a third-world nation.
Evergreen
Note the date ^^^^
>> wrote stuff.
>
> I appreciate you too, hy. I have a question for you. Why haven't you
> voiced your opposition to my magickal threats? You could have even
> privately emailed me.
Because she knows your magickal threats are just hot air, that the
theatrical woo-woo you call 'magick' isn't any such thing and isn't
good for anything but fantasy fiction.
>
> Everybody here on this newsgroup knows that I do a lot of boasting and
> threatening.
Yes. And those of us who aren't brain dead know that your threats and
boasts are all garbage.
You are a charlatan, a pathological liar, and a delusional neurotic.
> It is when I get very quiet and stop responding to them
> -- that is when I'm serious about my threats.
Someone who can't do anything but hide in a room someplace and
pretend he's a mighty magician can be as serious about his threats
as he wants to be.
Those threats are still worthless.
>
> I'll say it again for those who don't remember or those who don't know
> me. The only thing that will get someone in real trouble is if they go
> after me in person. Insult me all you want. I can handle it. You
> aren't going to be hurt for it. But don't go trying to find out
> information about me. I constitute that as a threat.
Anyone who can do anything they want, you pathetic clown, and you
can't do one thing to stop them.
> I have nothing to gain by proving any magickal powers. The people who
> demand proof are the people who should never have it.
That's what all charlatans say. You are _so_ predictable.
I've been in your face for months and you clearly would do anything in
your power to get rid of me.
You can't because you are a fraud.
And a stupid punk.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/2b550a31997edf62
Sid
--
Wiccan Priest :-) and Apprentice Magician
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
Day Brown
created and animated forms which exist solely as a challenge to the
fulfillment of his kharma. Cosmic robots, Androids, Turing machines. or as
the Gita calls them, 'Avatars'.
You may learn from an avatar, but since they react only as they are
programmed to, you cant teach one anything. Posts that attempt to do that,
are therefore, pointless.
hy
> ren <ren...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 19, 12:26=A0pm, hy_bis...@shaw.ca wrote:
>
> Note the date ^^^^
>
>>> wrote stuff.
>> I appreciate you too, hy. I have a question for you. Why haven't you
>> voiced your opposition to my magickal threats? You could have even
>> privately emailed me.
>
> Because she knows your magickal threats are just hot air, that the
> theatrical woo-woo you call 'magick' isn't any such thing and isn't
> good for anything but fantasy fiction.
Why are you bringing up this old post?
You know that I am loyal to ren.
I also believe that if he wanted to, he could hurt a person very
seriously or fatally even in a physical, mental or psychic manner.
However, it is true, I think most of his threats are simply loose air
getting caught in your (and sometimes other peoples) sails.
Your language and threats is no less tiresome or hurtful than his are. I
am just used to his threats so they don't bother me as much (except when
he is responding to you) and much more relevant is the fact that I am
used to his much more plentiful practical advice that wins me over as
someone I enjoy reading and knowing.
But you have great kindness in you as well, Sid. Why don't you show that
side more often here? Why do you also seek to block this side of ren's
attention as well?
>> I'll say it again for those who don't remember or those who don't know
>> me. The only thing that will get someone in real trouble is if they go
>> after me in person. Insult me all you want. I can handle it. You
>> aren't going to be hurt for it. But don't go trying to find out
>> information about me. I constitute that as a threat.
>
> Anyone who can do anything they want, you pathetic clown, and you
> can't do one thing to stop them.
If someone is attacking you/ren/myself or others in a manner that hurts,
then the attacker can expect some sort of action. Most likely in a
manner that they will not want.
>> I have nothing to gain by proving any magickal powers. The people who
>> demand proof are the people who should never have it.
>
> That's what all charlatans say. You are _so_ predictable.
I say the same thing. Am I a charlatan? I may not have said it out loud
until December, but I have said it and believe it.
Evergreen
> Evergreen wrote:
>
>> ren <ren...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 19, 12:26=A0pm, hy_bis...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>
>> Note the date ^^^^
>>
>>>> wrote stuff.
>>>
>>> I appreciate you too, hy. I have a question for you. Why
>>> haven't you voiced your opposition to my magickal threats?
>>> You could have even privately emailed me.
>>
>> Because she knows your magickal threats are just hot air, that
>> the theatrical woo-woo you call 'magick' isn't any such thing
>> and isn't good for anything but fantasy fiction.
>
>
> Why are you bringing up this old post?
The date is old, the topic is current.
>
> You know that I am loyal to ren.
And his dog (if he has one) would be too. So what?
>
> I also believe that if he wanted to, he could hurt a person
> very seriously or fatally even in a physical, mental or psychic
> manner.
You just aren't thinking clearly. He _obviously_ hates my guts and
even stooped to telling many malicious lies about me and posting
what he _thought_ was my "real name", address, and phone number. He's
accused me of terrible crimes with no evidence whatsoever to back the
accusations up.
If he could do anything but run his punk mouth, he would have done it.
He's a complete fraud. A pathological liar, a charlatan, and a delusional
neurotic.
And unlike ren, I am not going to make accusations without real evidence
to back them up. I give you his own words:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/2b550a31997edf62
>
> However, it is true, I think most of his threats are simply
> loose air getting caught in your (and sometimes other peoples)
> sails.
ALL of his threats are hot air. He's a stupid punk who couldn't
find his own asshole with a GPS unit.
> Your language and threats is no less tiresome or hurtful than
> his are.
Okay. Now you are lying. I have never threatened ren. I don't
threaten stupid punks who couldn't hurt me if their lives
depended on it. And I do not threaten people in public. Only
idiots do that, and/or people who have no power to carry out
their threats. Ren fits both categories.
You cannot produce the message-id or googlegroups link to any
post in which I have threatened ren.
You can search all of the posts made to this group since its
inception here:
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search
I suggest that you apologize.
[delete]
hy
> hy <hy_b...@shutoutspamshaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Evergreen wrote:
>>
>>> ren <ren...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 19, 12:26=A0pm, hy_bis...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>> Note the date ^^^^
>>>
>>>>> wrote stuff.
>>>> I appreciate you too, hy. I have a question for you. Why
>>>> haven't you voiced your opposition to my magickal threats?
>>>> You could have even privately emailed me.
>>> Because she knows your magickal threats are just hot air, that
>>> the theatrical woo-woo you call 'magick' isn't any such thing
>>> and isn't good for anything but fantasy fiction.
>>
>> Why are you bringing up this old post?
>
> The date is old, the topic is current.
>
>> You know that I am loyal to ren.
>
> And his dog (if he has one) would be too. So what?
Our dogs are related.
>> I also believe that if he wanted to, he could hurt a person
>> very seriously or fatally even in a physical, mental or psychic
>> manner.
>
> You just aren't thinking clearly. He _obviously_ hates my guts and
> even stooped to telling many malicious lies about me and posting
> what he _thought_ was my "real name", address, and phone number. He's
> accused me of terrible crimes with no evidence whatsoever to back the
> accusations up.
I don't think he hates you. I think he would be a lot meaner to you if
he hated you. I think he is allowing you to get yourself riled up and
giving you the posts to do so. He is allowing you the space to "be
heard" and make your case.
> If he could do anything but run his punk mouth, he would have done it.
>
> He's a complete fraud. A pathological liar, a charlatan, and a delusional
> neurotic.
>
> And unlike ren, I am not going to make accusations without real evidence
> to back them up. I give you his own words:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/2b550a31997edf62
>
>> However, it is true, I think most of his threats are simply
>> loose air getting caught in your (and sometimes other peoples)
>> sails.
>
> ALL of his threats are hot air. He's a stupid punk who couldn't
> find his own asshole with a GPS unit.
>
>> Your language and threats is no less tiresome or hurtful than
>> his are.
>
> Okay. Now you are lying. I have never threatened ren. I don't
> threaten stupid punks who couldn't hurt me if their lives
> depended on it. And I do not threaten people in public. Only
> idiots do that, and/or people who have no power to carry out
> their threats. Ren fits both categories.
You call people stupid punks and liars.
You aim at emotionally hurting people.
Your threats are of a different sort, that is all.
> You cannot produce the message-id or googlegroups link to any
> post in which I have threatened ren.
>
> You can search all of the posts made to this group since its
> inception here:
>
> http://groups.google.com/advanced_search
>
> I suggest that you apologize.
I won't apologize for having different "concepts" of what words mean, sid.
Also, I did not mean to hurt you in any way.
If I have hurt you, I apologize for that.
However, it would also go to prove my point that what one person finds
insulting and threatening is different than what another person finds
insulting and threatening.
Joseph Littleshoes
Evergreen wrote:
>
> He's a complete fraud. A pathological liar, a charlatan, and a delusional
> neurotic.
>
> Sid
>
Which describes bout 90% of the net these days, welcome to the net:)
--
JL