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Etznab
May 21, 2020, 8:58:29 AM5/21/20
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Lots of talk about vaccines. The goal of which are to make antibodies. But so far they haven't found a vaccine for SARS-CoV-1?
Meanwhile, What is happening in human populations that survive WITHOUT a vaccine? They are making antibodies on their own! What all the kings horses and all the kings men (and women) can't do, people are doing on their own! Some people even over a century old!
So what about that? And why not study, or use those antibodies to help save people? Make people's lives better at least?
Suppose that pseudo history were a virus and people learned how to neutralize it on their own after finding the "antibodies of truth"?
PTP (Practicing The Presence) - Joel Goldsmith (2nd paragraph, p. 19)
The whole secret lies in the word "consciousness". An intellectual knowledge of the fact that God is all is of no value. The only value any truth has is in the degree of its realization. Truth realized is spiritual consciousness. If we are conscious of the presence of the Lord, if we are conscious of the activity of God, then so it is unto us.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/82916572/Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith
Is this sound wisdom? Let's see what Rebazar Tarzs had to say.
"We only have to prove this in one direction and we shall have it proved in every direction. The whole secret lies in the word heart, or what we call consciousness. An intellectual knowledge of the fact that God is All is of no value. The only value any truth has is in the degree of its realization. Truth fully realized via ECKANKAR is spiritual consciousness. If we are conscious of the presence of the Lord, if we are conscious of the activity of God, then so we will see all of life through that understanding."
TKTE (The Key to Eckankar) - p. 19
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What did Paul Twitchell do? Copy a book and claim his master told it to him instead? Or maybe his master copied from books and told Paul to write what he told him to? Let's look again.
PTP - p. 20 (Practicing The Presence) - Joel Goldsmith
"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth that we read and hear, the more active is truth in our consciousness. Thus we learn to abide in the Word. This is the first step on the Way."
Notice the last two sentences. Those were key words in Goldsmith's teaching. (Just check the link, or read the book Practicing The Presence.)
What does Rebazar Tarzs (via Paul Twitchell) say?
"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth we read and hear, the more truth is active in our consciousness. We learn to abide in the world by putting truth into ourselves. This is the first step on the way to God."
Based on TKTE (The Key to Eckankar) - p. 40 - FIFTH PRINTING 2003!!!!!!!!!!!! The book was copyright 1968. Over 25 years and the Eckankar text remains as is!
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So what is the goal of the antibody? To identify self from not self? To recognize something harmful and neutralize it? Economies are tumbling, lives are being destroyed and people are dying where people are unable to do what nature can do. So why not learn from that? Why not look at the antibodies? Why not look at the truth? And the truth that counters pseudo, false, fictional history?
All the scrambling around, the speeches, the arguments and people ignore the most important thing. Like, what can and already has cured people with the virus. Instead some people want to try and do it in the lab. Want to try and play God and / or imitate Mother Nature. Some ask others to wait. To wait until they get it! But they haven't made an antibody to the first SARS virus. Have they? Wait until they get it? Don't go to work? Don't go too near anybody? Etc., etc.
*********
Going back to the exploration of pseudo history and religion, I gave the first step (according to a couple individuals). Here is the second.
PTP - p. 21 (Practicing The Presence) - Joel Goldsmith
"The second step, which leads to a state of consciousness where we are receptive and responsive to the still small voice, cannot be taken, however, unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years that a person has spent in reading truth, hearing truth, thinking truth, attending church services, lectures, or classes are fruitful in leading him to that point where inspiration flows from within his own being. This inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth."
The correct letter of truth was something the current leader of Eckankar wrote about in his Introduction for this book and told us what Rebazar Tarzs meant.
"In the first few pages, Rebazar talks interchangeably of the SUGMAD (God) and the ECK (Holy Spirit). We know the difference between the Source of all life, and ITS voice. Rebazar was referring to the Divine Principle that created our consciousness, and how IT relates to us here and now. [...] How important is the reading of books and attendance at lectures and classes on truth? Rebazar says that the individual first has to get 'the correct letter of truth' before he can live in the spirit of truth. He tells how this is done. [... .]"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/MsZWZDHdfqc/EkCT5BgWBAAJ
What did Rebazar say about the second step?
"The second step cannot be taken unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years we spend in reading truth, attending services, lectures, and classes are fruitful in leading us to that point where inspiration flows from within our own being. This inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth."
TKTE - (The Key to Eckankar) - p. 40
These examples show us what? Well, if one looks at the wider scope and looks at the greater context they could find multiple examples of the same thing. Like COPIES of information.
One of the questions is whether Rebazar Tarzs was / is truly physical and real, or whether a fictional copy of what poses for physical and real? Like an imposter. Like a "virus" that cannot exist on it's own, but needs to "use" a living body in order to live!
The Eckankar masters illustrated by Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, Are they real? Are they real and part of a real physical lineage of masters?
I reckon some people:
A. Have learned and know the truth.
B. Can't handle the truth, but will try to taunt, defame, mock, lie about and attack the truth, or those who admit it.
Imagine being afraid of antibodies to a virus, or people who possess antibodies (even neutralizing antibodies) to a virus. IMHO the antibody goal is to cure. Being afraid of the antibody (like being afraid of the truth) is not the cure.
Look at the thread title and look at the definition for antibody.
antibody (n.)
"substance developed in blood as an antitoxin," 1901, a hybrid formed from anti- "against" + body. Probably a translation of German Antikörper, condensed from a phrase such as anti-toxischer Körper "anti-toxic body" (1891).
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=antibody
And although "toxin" is related to "poison", it is also related to arrows, or that which was used to shoot arrows.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/toxic
IMHO the goal of the "antibody of truth" is to protect the body from the "arrows of ignorance"! Similar to how a real antibody can protect a person from harmful viruses.
Meanwhile, What is happening in human populations that survive WITHOUT a vaccine? They are making antibodies on their own! What all the kings horses and all the kings men (and women) can't do, people are doing on their own! Some people even over a century old!
So what about that? And why not study, or use those antibodies to help save people? Make people's lives better at least?
Suppose that pseudo history were a virus and people learned how to neutralize it on their own after finding the "antibodies of truth"?
PTP (Practicing The Presence) - Joel Goldsmith (2nd paragraph, p. 19)
The whole secret lies in the word "consciousness". An intellectual knowledge of the fact that God is all is of no value. The only value any truth has is in the degree of its realization. Truth realized is spiritual consciousness. If we are conscious of the presence of the Lord, if we are conscious of the activity of God, then so it is unto us.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/82916572/Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith
Is this sound wisdom? Let's see what Rebazar Tarzs had to say.
"We only have to prove this in one direction and we shall have it proved in every direction. The whole secret lies in the word heart, or what we call consciousness. An intellectual knowledge of the fact that God is All is of no value. The only value any truth has is in the degree of its realization. Truth fully realized via ECKANKAR is spiritual consciousness. If we are conscious of the presence of the Lord, if we are conscious of the activity of God, then so we will see all of life through that understanding."
TKTE (The Key to Eckankar) - p. 19
*********
What did Paul Twitchell do? Copy a book and claim his master told it to him instead? Or maybe his master copied from books and told Paul to write what he told him to? Let's look again.
PTP - p. 20 (Practicing The Presence) - Joel Goldsmith
"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth that we read and hear, the more active is truth in our consciousness. Thus we learn to abide in the Word. This is the first step on the Way."
Notice the last two sentences. Those were key words in Goldsmith's teaching. (Just check the link, or read the book Practicing The Presence.)
What does Rebazar Tarzs (via Paul Twitchell) say?
"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth we read and hear, the more truth is active in our consciousness. We learn to abide in the world by putting truth into ourselves. This is the first step on the way to God."
Based on TKTE (The Key to Eckankar) - p. 40 - FIFTH PRINTING 2003!!!!!!!!!!!! The book was copyright 1968. Over 25 years and the Eckankar text remains as is!
*********
So what is the goal of the antibody? To identify self from not self? To recognize something harmful and neutralize it? Economies are tumbling, lives are being destroyed and people are dying where people are unable to do what nature can do. So why not learn from that? Why not look at the antibodies? Why not look at the truth? And the truth that counters pseudo, false, fictional history?
All the scrambling around, the speeches, the arguments and people ignore the most important thing. Like, what can and already has cured people with the virus. Instead some people want to try and do it in the lab. Want to try and play God and / or imitate Mother Nature. Some ask others to wait. To wait until they get it! But they haven't made an antibody to the first SARS virus. Have they? Wait until they get it? Don't go to work? Don't go too near anybody? Etc., etc.
*********
Going back to the exploration of pseudo history and religion, I gave the first step (according to a couple individuals). Here is the second.
PTP - p. 21 (Practicing The Presence) - Joel Goldsmith
"The second step, which leads to a state of consciousness where we are receptive and responsive to the still small voice, cannot be taken, however, unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years that a person has spent in reading truth, hearing truth, thinking truth, attending church services, lectures, or classes are fruitful in leading him to that point where inspiration flows from within his own being. This inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth."
The correct letter of truth was something the current leader of Eckankar wrote about in his Introduction for this book and told us what Rebazar Tarzs meant.
"In the first few pages, Rebazar talks interchangeably of the SUGMAD (God) and the ECK (Holy Spirit). We know the difference between the Source of all life, and ITS voice. Rebazar was referring to the Divine Principle that created our consciousness, and how IT relates to us here and now. [...] How important is the reading of books and attendance at lectures and classes on truth? Rebazar says that the individual first has to get 'the correct letter of truth' before he can live in the spirit of truth. He tells how this is done. [... .]"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/MsZWZDHdfqc/EkCT5BgWBAAJ
What did Rebazar say about the second step?
"The second step cannot be taken unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years we spend in reading truth, attending services, lectures, and classes are fruitful in leading us to that point where inspiration flows from within our own being. This inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth."
TKTE - (The Key to Eckankar) - p. 40
These examples show us what? Well, if one looks at the wider scope and looks at the greater context they could find multiple examples of the same thing. Like COPIES of information.
One of the questions is whether Rebazar Tarzs was / is truly physical and real, or whether a fictional copy of what poses for physical and real? Like an imposter. Like a "virus" that cannot exist on it's own, but needs to "use" a living body in order to live!
The Eckankar masters illustrated by Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, Are they real? Are they real and part of a real physical lineage of masters?
I reckon some people:
A. Have learned and know the truth.
B. Can't handle the truth, but will try to taunt, defame, mock, lie about and attack the truth, or those who admit it.
Imagine being afraid of antibodies to a virus, or people who possess antibodies (even neutralizing antibodies) to a virus. IMHO the antibody goal is to cure. Being afraid of the antibody (like being afraid of the truth) is not the cure.
Look at the thread title and look at the definition for antibody.
antibody (n.)
"substance developed in blood as an antitoxin," 1901, a hybrid formed from anti- "against" + body. Probably a translation of German Antikörper, condensed from a phrase such as anti-toxischer Körper "anti-toxic body" (1891).
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=antibody
And although "toxin" is related to "poison", it is also related to arrows, or that which was used to shoot arrows.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/toxic
IMHO the goal of the "antibody of truth" is to protect the body from the "arrows of ignorance"! Similar to how a real antibody can protect a person from harmful viruses.
fife
May 21, 2020, 9:59:07 AM5/21/20
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The Goldsmith/Tarzs/Twitchell Advice looks like self-programming? What do you think?
fife
May 21, 2020, 10:16:53 AM5/21/20
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☺ Imagine if there were a Rebazar Tarzs antibody? Would Paul Twitchell go away too? I have to say, I'm not a big Goldsmith fan. But whatever gets you through the day, is okay.
Etznab
May 21, 2020, 2:29:36 PM5/21/20
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Look at the comparisons. That was the point.
Etznab
May 21, 2020, 2:31:22 PM5/21/20
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You see programming. I see truth vs. fiction.
Etznab
May 21, 2020, 3:08:14 PM5/21/20
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Etznab
May 21, 2020, 3:34:43 PM5/21/20
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Remember about truth in the morning, truth in the afternoon and evening? How important that was?
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fife
May 21, 2020, 6:34:29 PM5/21/20
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Well, here are some lyrics. Because "truth, truth, truth" I think you want to keep it all. And I don't think you can. I think one has to learn to let go, when to let go, and what to let go of. But... your mileage may vary.
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/askingalexandria/houseonfire.html
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/askingalexandria/houseonfire.html
fife
May 21, 2020, 7:19:59 PM5/21/20
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Hate the liar, love the lie? (It would seem) that all the "schooling" you do is you trying to keep yourself convinced, and trying to convince others. But UBU. Whatever gets you through the night is alright, whatever gets you through the day is okay.
How to survive is the thing. But the usual advice is that you can't carry it all with you if you want to (survive). Everyone has to work out what that means for themselves. One size doesn't fit all. What you NEED may be what someone already has, and what they have you may be missing. Do you need it? The answer is a personal one. Your person. Don't expect it to be the same for everyone. And that may be frustrating but, hey, that's the human race.
The thing is, everyone's not doing what gets you there. They're doing what gets them there. Just like you are.
How to survive is the thing. But the usual advice is that you can't carry it all with you if you want to (survive). Everyone has to work out what that means for themselves. One size doesn't fit all. What you NEED may be what someone already has, and what they have you may be missing. Do you need it? The answer is a personal one. Your person. Don't expect it to be the same for everyone. And that may be frustrating but, hey, that's the human race.
The thing is, everyone's not doing what gets you there. They're doing what gets them there. Just like you are.
Etznab
May 21, 2020, 9:16:44 PM5/21/20
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The posts were written so a child could understand. They were very clear and with examples.
Looks like Fife is wagging his dog again!
Etznab
May 21, 2020, 9:19:59 PM5/21/20
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On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:34:29 PM UTC-5, fife wrote:
> Well, here are some lyrics. Because "truth, truth, truth" I think you want to keep it all. And I don't think you can. I think one has to learn to let go, when to let go, and what to let go of. But... your mileage may vary.
>
> https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/askingalexandria/houseonfire.html
"Anyone following the path of ECKANKAR cannot go through a day satisfied that he has read some truth in the morning or that he is going to hear some truth in the afternoon or evening. There must be a conscious realization of truth going on all the time."
> Well, here are some lyrics. Because "truth, truth, truth" I think you want to keep it all. And I don't think you can. I think one has to learn to let go, when to let go, and what to let go of. But... your mileage may vary.
>
> https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/askingalexandria/houseonfire.html
Based on: The Key to ECKANKAR, by Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1968, Fourth Printing - 1985, pp. 41-42
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/JR560-a5OZg/MrJPYto1AQAJ
Etznab
May 21, 2020, 9:21:22 PM5/21/20
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On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 6:19:59 PM UTC-5, fife wrote:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/218780789/82916572-Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith-1
fife
May 21, 2020, 9:54:07 PM5/21/20
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Sounds like you want to buffer the distinction between truth and fiction, Are you an Eckankar apologist in disguise?
The posts were written so a child could understand. They were very clear and with examples.
Looks like Fife is wagging his dog again!
(sigh) No. Just not a superficialist Etznab. But UBU. Quote yourself into a frenzy. It's okay.
The posts were written so a child could understand. They were very clear and with examples.
Looks like Fife is wagging his dog again!
Henosis Sage
May 22, 2020, 3:28:16 AM5/22/20
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Tisra Til
May 23, 2020, 10:38:11 PM5/23/20
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If one had a mandala (antibody) for each philosophical tradition, it would be harmonious and orderly for that tradition, and easy to follow, leading to the end of the path - one with the cosmic energy, spirit, "eck", cosmic consciousness.
IMHO
fife
May 23, 2020, 10:56:22 PM5/23/20
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Yes. A poor analogy and tortured metaphor at best.
As I understand it, Etznab believes that if one takes all the lies out of Eckankar, what remains is the truth. But he never quite knows what that truth is.
As I understand it, Etznab believes that if one takes all the lies out of Eckankar, what remains is the truth. But he never quite knows what that truth is.
Etznab
May 25, 2020, 8:31:37 AM5/25/20
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On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 9:56:22 PM UTC-5, fife wrote:
> Yes. A poor analogy and tortured metaphor at best.
>
> As I understand it, Etznab believes that if one takes all the lies out of Eckankar, what remains is the truth. But he never quite knows what that truth is.
Well, when there are people like you working so desperately to mock, spread lies and twist other people's words (what Eckankar trolls have done for decades now! Including, but not limited to: Rich Smith, J.R., Kinpa, etc.; multiple examples can be given for those who doubt.)
> Yes. A poor analogy and tortured metaphor at best.
>
> As I understand it, Etznab believes that if one takes all the lies out of Eckankar, what remains is the truth. But he never quite knows what that truth is.
Guess what Fife? We can not only clarify the lies with Eckankar history, but can "make and out" trolls in a.r.e. by illustrating and discussing the record of their behavior here.
Now what can you do? After already trying the following tactics:
1. Trying to appear like a non-critical genuinely interested a.r.e. poster, while mocking your target endlessly.
2. Twist people's words when the content is what you can't handle; be it the simple truth.
3. When confronted, act like a clown. Say you were just being funny.; BTW, that only works about the first three times until it shows your insincerity.
4.Act dumb, like you don't know nothing or nobody when that is convenient for you.
5. Put everything incriminating in the rear view mirror like it is history now and nobody cares. Defend your fellow trolls, and solicit their support while continuing to mock your target.
6. Get emotional and appear to be shocked and surprised when someone puts the simple truth in front of your face.
7. Desperately avoid any criticism of your troll-like tactics while going harder against your critic. Get personal and use personal names while pretending you don't do that.
8. When your back is against the wall, lie, lie, lie through your teeth until some idiot believes you are really a nice chap and it's not fair that the person you constantly mock and trash called you to account for acting like a troll.
9. Repeat like a mantra: "It doesn't matter." "Who cares?" Over and over and over and over and over and over like all the others when they had no tactic left to appear innocent.
10. Etc, etc, etc.
These tactics have been used by trolls for decades, and it's not that people do these things once in a while that defines them as a troll. It is the NUMBER OF TIMES they do so!
Etznab
May 25, 2020, 9:47:55 AM5/25/20
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11. Use the words "mind" and "mental" to minimize your critics. Define them as not (according to you) spiritual.
12. Create a pseudonym to call attention away from your previous self after the previous name was "MADE" out to be a troll!
13. Appear to show that your opinions have a lot of support. That you belong to a group of people who agree with you.
fife
May 25, 2020, 12:57:51 PM5/25/20
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12. Create a pseudonym to call attention away from your previous self after the previous name was "MADE" out to be a troll!
fife
May 25, 2020, 1:12:29 PM5/25/20
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Well, you're just an excitable boy, E.
Just an excitable boy.
"Excitable boy, they all said
Well, he's just an excitable boy"
Not at all crazy.
Just an excitable boy.
"Excitable boy, they all said
Well, he's just an excitable boy"
Not at all crazy.
fife
May 25, 2020, 1:26:57 PM5/25/20
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... Try living in 2020 for a few months. Try NOT going into the archive for that long. Try not pulling out an eleven year old thread, to respond to an eleven year old post, by someone who doesn't post here any more. As if by some miracle they will respond with a reply.
Because it's all today in your head. Isn't it.
Because it's all today in your head. Isn't it.
Etznab
May 26, 2020, 9:12:49 PM5/26/20
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On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 12:26:57 PM UTC-5, fife wrote:
> ... Try living in 2020 for a few months. Try NOT going into the archive for that long. Try not pulling out an eleven year old thread, to respond to an eleven year old post, by someone who doesn't post here any more. As if by some miracle they will respond with a reply.
>
> Because it's all today in your head. Isn't it.
It's obvious you could care less about Eckankar topic discussions.
> ... Try living in 2020 for a few months. Try NOT going into the archive for that long. Try not pulling out an eleven year old thread, to respond to an eleven year old post, by someone who doesn't post here any more. As if by some miracle they will respond with a reply.
>
> Because it's all today in your head. Isn't it.
So why are you here?
fife
May 26, 2020, 9:33:34 PM5/26/20
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It's obvious you could care less about Eckankar topic discussions.
So why are you here?
Oh no that's not true. I really, really want to know more about
So why are you here?
Ekankar
Eckankar
ik ongkar
EK
Isn't that why everyone tunes in? For trivia that's been run over so many times it's indistinguishable from the highway surface?
Etznab
May 28, 2020, 10:28:38 AM5/28/20
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