If Eckankar is Not a Real and Valid Path

[Kinpa]

Because of plagiarisms...that would require all of the texts plagiarized from, also be worthless and without any degree of real spiritual knowledge or value...there cannot be two ways about this standard. For it to be the truth of one path, it is necessary that it also be true for the authors plagiarized and their written works. To say otherwise is that ever abundant double standard that seems to be so ever-present around ARE...

[Henosis Sage]

On Sunday, 17 July 2016 09:00:45 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> Because of plagiarisms...that would require all of the texts plagiarized from, also be worthless and without any degree of real spiritual knowledge or value...there cannot be two ways about this standard. For it to be the truth of one path, it is necessary that it also be true for the authors plagiarized and their written works. To say otherwise is that ever abundant double standard that seems to be so ever-present around ARE...

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Yes and No. Your 'standards' are flawed and invalid. Your focus is myopic.

Your thinking is unintelligent and illogical. Don't blame anyone but yourself.

Eckankar is not a 'real valid path' because of 'plagiarisms' - that's
simplistic thinking and irrational. It ignores everything else AS IF
plagiarism and Twitchell's lying about that is the only issue. It ain't.

Multiple issues combine to make a whole in undermining the legitimacy of
eckankar as a valid, real path and as a valid 'religion' worthy of Tax free
status.

No one issue can be separated nor isolated from the whole of it. But one can
discuss the many different issues one at a time -- the key is to not ignore
the whole at the same time - iow CONTEXT is everything here.

As CONTEXT is everything in regard those self-evident examples of Twitchell's
texts lifted from other sources.

Those texts can be both false or valid, depending on their original CONTEXT as
much as the 'truth or falsity' of those ideas being represented by the original
texts.

So yes and no, those things are either true or false, or can only have useful
meaning within the context in which they were cast.

Ripping off someone else's text out of ITS prior contexts and shoving it into
Twitchell's CONTEXT and the WHOLE of what constitutes Eckankar is utterly
irrelevant to whether or not the things taken are true or not before.

But it is relevant when Twitchell takes XYZ text out of it's original context
and then places within his own context and the myriad of other parts of his
teachings that are in complete antagonism between each other.

Twitchell's Eckankar fails because of it's lack of coherency as a distinct
whole. That's just one issue. Plagiarism and his lies, and the historical myths
are irrelevant to that ... but all together build a more accurate picture of
the truth than the BELIEFS people choose to make of the parts and the whole.

Those original sources either are or aren't true, real and valid all on their
own basis - the same as Twitchell's 'teachings' either are or are not Real,
Valid and True on their own basis.

Twitchell falsely claimed the SHS books oen and two were DICTATED to him via
Fubbi Quantz from the "inner worlds" and was the FIRST time that "translation"
into words had ever been done.

All of that is UNTRUE ..... that is the context of where Twitchell placed the
words he took from other written sources on earth.

Twitchell lied about Eckankar and it's 'teachings'. That's a fact. Fubbi Quantz
here is only one of those lies.

Whether other religious founders lied or plagiarized or not has NO BEARING on
these proven facts about Twitchell and the "teachings" of eckankar as still
presented by HK.

The issue of Twitchell's credibility and Eckankar & HKs too rests totally
independent of all other teachings and writings. And they of Eckankar.

Further myth making and illogical claims (ala Kinpa above) isn't going to
help resolve any of the issues for the benefit of all and Truth in and of
itself.

Personal issue to be dealt with first includes overcoming Cognitive Dissonance,
the 5 stages of grief having been lied to and knowing that, Myopia, logical
fallacies, irrational thinking, plus recognizing the difference between one's
unfounded beliefs (bar twitchell said xyz) and the true verifiable facts.

Only then does one even begin to sort out fact from fiction and what is Real
and Valid and what is not.

Most people who remain in Eckankar and consider it's beliefs as True are
either too lazy or still under the WOW effect.

The WOW effect always wears off. Lazy sometimes never.

[Tisra Til]

👍👍 Excellent explanation.

"CONTEXT is everything."

[wernertrp]

Am Sonntag, 17. Juli 2016 17:23:16 UTC+2 schrieb Tisra Til:
> 👍👍 Excellent explanation.
>
> "CONTEXT is everything."

Eckankar a Virtual-Path.

[Kinpa]

On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 3:23:16 PM UTC, Tisra Til wrote:
> 👍👍 Excellent explanation.
>
> "CONTEXT is everything."

And what is your IQ? 3?? How is the nose doing today???

[Tisra Til]

Ya know - seriously, Kinpoopster, you really SHOULD put down the crack pipe and come out of your cave at least once a day. Mingle with the living, FOR A CHANGE!

[Etznab]

On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 6:44:12 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35WgpMq6e3o

[Kinpa]

Why do you continually obsess about fecies??? What a joke! Is it fun to be a joke?

[Kinpa]

You really ought to try and have a better self-image than that richie...

[Tisra Til]

That's what she said.

[Etznab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35WgpMq6e3o

[Etznab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35WgpMq6e3o

[Kinpa]

Nothing new to say?? Typical...good luck with that ;)

[Henosis Sage]

On Monday, 18 July 2016 11:45:18 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:22:01 AM UTC, Tisra Til wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 6:44:12 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 3:23:16 PM UTC, Tisra Til wrote:
> > > > 👍👍 Excellent explanation.
> > > >
> > > > "CONTEXT is everything."
> > >
> > > And what is your IQ? 3?? How is the nose doing today???
> >
> > Ya know - seriously, Kinpoopster, you really SHOULD put down the crack pipe and come out of your cave at least once a day. Mingle with the living, FOR A CHANGE!
>
>

Kinpoop askss:

"Why do you continually obsess about fecies??? What a joke! Is it fun to be a joke?"

YOU tell us Kinpoop - you are the Expert on Obsessing on Feces-Shit-Toilets etc

Kinpa's Matt Sharpe's Favourite Fuzzbucket_01 Photos (now set to private after
he was exposed for being an Obsessed Coprophiliac w 18+ months of 'seeing'
others posting to a.r.e. "shitting their pants", their beds, and non-stop
diarrhea)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPOFNXY3l6dF9ZMHc


So, is it 'FUN' to be a non-stop Joke and an embarrassment to Eckankar and
all other ECKists, Matthew Sharpe?

Yes it is. And therein lays the real problem - he doesn't even know he has one.

[Tisra Til]

I think it was foretold in some ancient prophecy. 'And there will arise a one, and Poop shall he be known for all eternity.' And chutes will open far and wide for the "chosen one."

[Henosis Sage]

No 3D Goggles required.

[Henosis Sage]

KINPA MATT SHARPE :

"Nothing new to say?? Typical...good luck with that ;)"

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Aaawwww nothing to say?

Typical.... see my reply to his false claims in this thread
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/BWAE_ITH9BY/wkCMRM6uBgAJ

Whenever hard facts, documented evidence, or a rational logical explanation
arises Matt goes all silent and runs away.

The guy cannot 'argue' against a nuanced fact based rational response.



If no cares, and he doesn't care, then WHY is he here almost every day for

almost 2 years saying the same things over and over and over again .. and

defaulting to the same kinds of 'delusions and/OR false claims'

(nose problems?) when push comes to shove?

[Tisra Til]

I know, right?? Right up the old poop chute..

[Tisra Til]

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:30:04 AM UTC-5, Henosis Sage wrote:

I am open to readjusting.... in the RUSH sense of the term.

[Kinpa]

See this person's version of "a uanced fact based rational response" where he outlines what his Munchausen's Syndrome means....however, do note that he purposely left out the great many paragraphs that were inconvenient for his BS "definition" which was patently a lie. Of course I was forced to come along and add a few actual facts so as to make the actual definition, and full range of applicable definitions more clear and obvious. It begs the question, "Why did sean leave so much of the actual definition for the term out?"

Why? Fear of course....he has never been able to operate in even the most slightly rational manner unless he is "framing" things the way he wants them to be misunderstood. He has done the exact same thing on the whole "ProtoIndoEuropean" idea. Note that Indo is included in the word. Also note that finding one or even several linguists who disagree with the other theories and ideas in the world means literally nothing, because of the simple fact that all of the world's linguists have NEVER agreed on ANY theory, and they still do not. Of course none of that changes the fact that sean is anything BUT an expert on any linguistics in the world. But his claiming to be one is just another symptom of Munchausen's Syndrome, that anyone can read up on at any number of sites.

End of story...

[Henosis Sage]

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Wow, that's more incoherent than normal.

Kinpa takes gobbledygook to a new level.

Munchausen's Syndrome means...???

Why? Fear of course....???

... his BS "definition" which was patently a lie. (What definition?)

"Why did sean leave so much of the actual definition for the term out?" (What definition?)

the simple fact that all of the world's linguists have NEVER agreed on ANY theory, and they still do not.

Well then Linguists do NOT agree on Proto-Indo-Europeans .. and yet Kinpa was
saying they did, and that Indo-Europeans and Indo-Ayrans were proven... as well
that they entered India and brought Sanskrit with them ....

Wow!

...sean is anything BUT an expert on any linguistics in the world...

That's funny. I specifically said I was NOT an expert.

Quoting from the Thread:
Kinpa & I the non-experts on Sanskrit and Indo-Europeans / Indo-Aryans

"HS NOTE: I'm no expert on linguistics http://web.mit.edu/linguistics/people/faculty/chomsky/
nor genetic anthropology http://www.anthgen.org/

"But I do keep an eye out for news about changes and shifts in 'theories' and
the research. The new info out of Genetics is remarkable, and forcing many
scientists and academics to revise their prior thinking and accuracy of
past theories."

"It's amazing what new evidence has come to hand about our collective history. "

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/CDwkC8yQgHM



and NOTE:

On Monday, 18 July 2016 17:18:43 UTC+10, Henosis Sage wrote:

It's safe to say there's no doubt connections exist between languages and
people's. Older theories and ideas are being reviewed in light of more
recent genetics studies.

There is no evidence of any 'sanskrit' texts external to India. Nor the spoken
sanskrit language. There similarities between languages and it was posited and
assumed there 'must be' an original Proto-Language at some point.

From this 'ideal' Proto-Indo-European and Proto-Indo-Aryan was 'created' -
even though no one is known to have spoken or written it down.

Likely at some point pre-50,000 BCE back to 100K BCE language was formed in
early human cultures.

Genetic anthropology is an emerging branch of science that combines DNA
testing with archaeological, historical and linguistic evidence to reveal the
history of ancient human migration. It seeks to answer the questions, "Where
did we come from, and how did we get here?"

http://isogg.org/wiki/Genetic_anthropology

WOW~!

[Henosis Sage]

On Tuesday, 19 July 2016 08:40:26 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:

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>
> See this person's version of "a uanced fact based rational response" where he outlines what his Munchausen's Syndrome means....however, do note that he purposely left out the great many paragraphs that were inconvenient for his BS "definition" which was patently a lie. Of course I was forced to come along and add a few actual facts so as to make the actual definition, and full range of applicable definitions more clear and obvious. It begs the question, "Why did sean leave so much of the actual definition for the term out?"
>
> Why? Fear of course....he has never been able to operate in even the most slightly rational manner unless he is "framing" things the way he wants them to be misunderstood. He has done the exact same thing on the whole "ProtoIndoEuropean" idea. Note that Indo is included in the word. Also note that finding one or even several linguists who disagree with the other theories and ideas in the world means literally nothing, because of the simple fact that all of the world's linguists have NEVER agreed on ANY theory, and they still do not. Of course none of that changes the fact that sean is anything BUT an expert on any linguistics in the world. But his claiming to be one is just another symptom of Munchausen's Syndrome, that anyone can read up on at any number of sites.
>
> End of story...

About the whole "ProtoIndoEuropean" idea

RE Matt saying this above:

"...because of the simple fact that all of the world's linguists have

NEVER agreed on ANY theory, and they still do not."

VERSUS Matt also saying the 'theory' of Proto-Indo-European (PIE):

"The patterns are consistent in the comparisons of the languages. This
is not theory, it is factual."

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/Su-nhMYdu5M/C7A8YPKwBgAJ


Option A) Linguists have never agreed on any PIE theory

Option B) PIE is not a theory it is factual, a True Fact

[Kinpa]

So.....what point is this poster trying to make about anything? Could anyone take more unrelated items to make what that person calls "gobbledygook" and yet not consider their own words the same???

[Henosis Sage]

RE: "So.....what point is this poster trying to make about anything?"

It's no surprise to me when Matt cannot work out the simplest things about
anything for himself.

[Kinpa]

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