For Those Who Claim That PIE Has No Relevence

[Kinpa]

"There is no direct evidence of PIE, and no evidence suggesting it was ever
written. Linguists have reconstructed all PIE sounds and words from later
Indo-European languages using the comparative method and internal
reconstruction.

Proto-Indo-European (PIE) is the linguistic reconstruction of the common
ancestor of the Indo-European languages. PIE was the first proposed proto
-language to be widely accepted by linguists.

Theories are theories, and they are useful, then new more advanced sciences
come along and use new techniques to confirm or deny those prior theories.

FOR EXAMPLE
A prehistory of Indian Y chromosomes: Evaluating demic diffusion scenarios
Conclusions
It is not necessary, based on the current evidence, to look beyond South Asia for the origins of the paternal heritage of the majority of Indians at the time of the onset of settled agriculture. The perennial concept of people, language, and agriculture arriving to India together through the northwest corridor does not hold up to close scrutiny. Recent claims for a linkage of haplogroups J2, L, R1a, and R2 with a contemporaneous origin for the majority of the Indian castes' paternal lineages from outside the subcontinent are rejected, although our findings do support a local origin of haplogroups F* and H. Of the others, only J2 indicates an unambiguous recent external contribution, from West Asia rather than Central Asia."

Just another theory....all of the northern Indian languages have been proven conclusively PIE, and have corresponding differences as spoken from English in Greek and Hindi or Punjabi. These completely corresponding patterns are proof, not theories. By the same token ALL of the Native American languages from South America's southern most point, all the way north to midway through North America are all definitively related to one another. This leaves clear those who came across the land bridge to Alaska from Asia. All of this is known to be factual now, and refutes the above quoted claim.

Observe if you aren't scared to learn how wrong you have things:

https://mega.nz/#!J0oFXIpD!0eg9JbLOCdJOSGal90vAqT-yOxkveNcF7BTLdl1jQls

No viruses either....I have no need for such actions

I am well aware that all of you (IF anyone even views the file) will never agree, I don't care, but no one can claim that you lacked this information. The patterns are consistent in the comparisons of the languages. This is not theory, it is factual.

[RebazarT]

Hmmmm This is all knew to me

This I found forgive me google translator not have Uighur or Tibet

Human mitochondrial DNA haplogroup (mothers)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_mitochondrial_DNA_haplogroup

Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup (fathers)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroup

My English not so fresh thankyou

rt

[Henosis Sage]

HI JR

Good links.

Those interested in the facts versus the spin will find these links more than
helpful (as a start)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeogenetics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_by_ethnic_group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_South_Asian_populations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans#Genetic_reconstruction

https://campaignprojects.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/tamil-and-australian-aboriginal-languages/

http://dravidiantamils.blogspot.com/2015/04/tamil-in-australian-aboriginal-languages.html

http://www.nature.com/news/genomes-link-aboriginal-australians-to-indians-1.12219

http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2013/01/aboriginal-genes-suggest-indian-migration/

Ancient DNA link connects Australians, South Americans
http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/07/22/discovery-change-view-human-history/


As well as:

It was believed in the 19th century that it was also a self-designation used by all Proto-Indo-Europeans, a theory that has now been abandoned.[8] Scholars point out that, even in ancient times, the idea of being an "Aryan" was religious, cultural and linguistic, not racial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan



These migrations started approximately 1,800 BCE, after the invention of the war chariot, and also brought Indo-Aryan languages into the Levant and possibly Inner Asia. It was part of the diffusion of Indo-European languages from the proto-Indo-European homeland at the Pontic steppe, a large area of grasslands in far Eastern Europe, which started in the 5th to 4th millennia BCE, and the Indo-European migrations out of the Eurasian steppes, which started approximately 2,000 BCE.


The theory posits that these Indo-Aryan speaking people may have been a genetically diverse group of people who were united by shared cultural norms and language, referred to as arya, "noble." Diffusion of this culture and language took place by patron-client systems, which allowed for the absorption and acculturalisation of other groups into this culture, and explains the strong influence on other cultures with which it interacted.

The Proto-Indo-Iranians, from which the Indo-Aryans developed, are identified with the Sintashta culture (2100–1800 BCE),[7] and the Andronovo culture,[8] which flourished ca. 1800–1400 BCE in the steppes around the Aral sea, present-day Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan.

The proto-Indo-Iranians were influenced by the Bactria-Margiana Culture, south of the Andronovo culture, from which they borrowed their distinctive religious beliefs and practices.

The Indo-Aryans split off around 1800-1600 BCE from the Iranians,[9] whereafter the Indo-Aryans migrated into the Levant and north-western India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_peoples


The available data from uniparental genetic systems have already transformed our view of the prehistory of Europe, but our knowledge of these processes remains limited. Nevertheless, their legacy remains as sedimentary layers in the gene pool of modern Europeans, and our understanding of them will improve substantially when more mtDNAs are completely sequenced, the Y chromosome more thoroughly analysed, and haplotype blocks of the autosomal genome become amenable to phylogeographic studies.

The question of the spread of the Neolithic became intertwined with that of the dispersal of the Indo-European languages, as a result of Renfrew's proposal that the Proto-Indo-European language spread from Anatolia with early farming 100 and 116.

This hypothesis has become LESS PLAUSIBLE in the light of the mtDNA and Y-chromosome EVIDENCE as well as archaeological and LINGUISTIC criticisms 117 and 118.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982209020697



Archaeogenetics South Asia (Indian Subcontinent)
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&q=archaeogenetics+south+asia+india



The southern dispersal hypothesis and the South Asian archaeological record
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278416506000377


Genetic and archaeological perspectives on the initial modern human colonization of southern Asia

These data support a coastally oriented dispersal of modern humans from eastern Africa to southern Asia ~60–50 thousand years ago (ka). This was associated with distinctively African microlithic and “backed-segment” technologies analogous to the African “Howiesons Poort” and related technologies, together with a range of distinctively “modern” cultural and symbolic features (highly shaped bone tools, personal ornaments, abstract artistic motifs, microblade technology, etc.), similar to those that accompanied the replacement of “archaic” Neanderthal by anatomically modern human populations in other regions of western Eurasia at a broadly similar date.

http://www.pnas.org/content/110/26/10699.short



Peopling of South Asia: investigating the caste–tribe continuum in India

This review attempts to summarize recent genetic studies on Indian caste and tribal populations with the focus on the information embedded in the socially defined structure of Indian populations.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bies.20525/citedby



My Tibetan not so good thankyou

Fubbi Quantz


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[Tisra Til]

Then there is the "out of Atlantis" theory. The idea that there was at one time a unified culture and belief system (the golden age?) in which Man mingled freely with the gods. Ancient Egypt and India may be the remnants or ancestors of ancient Atlantis, according to the theory.
Is this something Fubbi Q or Empty Room (future Living Eck Master) ascribed to??
I don't know. I'm asking. ;;;;;

[Henosis Sage]

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KINPA also says:
"...but it IS funny that so many here these days try to use books as their only
evidence...as if a book can make them correct...it cannot...so using books in
such a way, especially in an egoic attempt at any sort of revenge, can only
fail...and it does, every single time without exception..."

Apparently the only thing Kinpa has is "book evidence".

tsk tsk

[Tisra Til]

Hey, don't let facts get in the way. It's all Eck in the end, isn't it? Or was I misinformed? (looks around for confirmation).
That's what Empty Room said - future Living Eck Master, by his own estimation. Yeah - IMAGINE THAT!

[Kinpa]

What is the matter? Obviously something bothers you about me, you continue speaking of me so often...I have never ever claimed to be any sort of a Master, or a Master in training, nor any other sort of nonsense that all of you seem to want to claim for me...surprised?