Liberals And Their Fascist Roots
∅baMa∅ Tse Dung
democracies and furthered the work of communism.
According to useful Liberal Fascist idiots
anyone who is not a ComuSexual
(Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist)
is a Fascist.
Let us examine the facts of Liberal/ComuSexual history
and its unrefutable roots in Fascism!
Liberal Fascism
Pt.1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsFoiVZDSRs
Pt.2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hdqjDIfyfo
Pt.3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqdf7Wz-Pe4
Pt.4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfJSub3CDJk
Pt.5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAMVyNuVa0
Pt.6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE-4VDpwYwk
Pt.7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCJqnwZPc0Q
What struck me in the book Liberal Fascism was how American
Progressives went from defining "patriotism" in WWI as a pro-war
position to (for them) defining patriotism as antiwar when Vietnam
came
around. How they went from throwing people in jail w/o charges during
Wilson's admin. to now taking extreme civil rights/human rights
positions w.r.t. radical Islamic terrorists, combatants, etc.
How they threw German-Americans in prison during WWI and
Japanese-Americans in prison in WWII - and now object to Gitmo,
Abu Ghraib, etc.
Let's see: what other switches are there? Margaret Sanger was
anti-abortion and now the Left is pro-abortion. They believed blacks
and other people of color were less intelligent than whites, now
that's
verboten to believe.
Somehow we need to have a shorthand way to summarize the Left's
evolving positions. Of course, that old SDS slogan, "The issue is
never the issue, the Revolution is the Issue" comes to mind. The
issues are a means to an end, not the end in itself. The end is
power
and control - running the society. (Which, if ever achieved, is
empty
- meaningless. Vanity. All is vanity. Solomon!)
Left-wing roots of the Nazis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4758sBZLC5k
The above DVD Documentary "The Soviet Story"
is a must see and shows the unrefutable historic
brotherhood between Communism and Liberal Fascism:
http://www.SovietStory.com
Marxists - Communnists
NAZIs - National Workers Socialist Party
Juche - [N.Korea]
are all leftist brothers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa1sj0gwnuQ
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian
Pt.1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk9WQaAIbOg
Pt.2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmDXuA1-8FE
Pt.3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eeNB_rWqpk
Pt.4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4maXhvSm4fQ
The Liberal's Path to Socialism
Pt.1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPyoEbU_wc4
Pt.2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvuxr7v4xzk
"Just as the Left was drawn to the communist killing machines of
Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Castro, so too it is now attracted
to
radical Islam."
"The contempt that German Hitlerytes had for "Bolshevism" or "marxist
Jews" generally should also not mislead us in assessing the
similarity
between National Socialism and Communism. Leftist sects are very
prone
to rivalry, dissension, schism and hatred of one-another. One has
only
to think of the Bolsheviks versus the Mensheviks, Stalin versus
Trotsky, China versus the Soviet Union etc. Similarity does not
preclude rivalry. Hitler and Stalin were literally brothers in arms
BEFORE they became rivals. That socialist brothers sometimes fall out
should not prevent us from noting the brotherhood concerned."
"This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion:
Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s
allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their
faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war
against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian
heritage."
--Dr. Ron Paul, Libertarian
According to Liberals, anyone who refutes a ComuSexual
(Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist) is a moron.
The ComuSexual Art of Propaganda Lies and Subversion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj0Id3BLFco&feature=related
The Liberal Fascist AGENDA: Grinding America DOWN
http://AgendaDocumentary.com
Useful Idiots are naïve, foolish, ignorant of facts, unrealistically
idealistic, dreamers, willfully in denial or deceptive. They hail from
the ranks of the chronically unhappy, the anarchists, the aspiring
revolutionaries, the neurotics who are at war with life, the
disaffected alienated from government, corporations, and just about
any and all institutions of society. The Useful Idiot can be a
billionaire, a movie star, an academe of renown, a politician, or from
any other segment of the population.
Arguably, the most dangerous Useful Idiot is the “Politically
Correct.” He is the master practitioner of euphemism, hedging,
doubletalk, and outright deception.
The Useful Idiot derives satisfaction from being anti-establishment.
He finds perverse gratification in aiding the forces that aim to
dismantle an existing order, whatever it may be: an order he neither
approves of nor he feels he belongs to.
The Useful Idiot is conflicted and dishonest. He fails to look inside
himself and discover the causes of his own problems and unhappiness
while he readily enlists himself in causes that validate his distorted
perception.
Understandably, it is easier to blame others and the outside world
than to examine oneself with an eye to self-discovery and self-
improvement. Furthermore, criticizing and complaining—liberal
practices of the Useful Idiot—require little talent and energy. The
Useful Idiot is a great armchair philosopher and “Monday Morning
Quarterback.”
The Useful Idiot is not the same as a person who honestly has a
different point of view. A society without honest and open differences
of views is a dead society. Critical, different and fresh ideas are
the life blood of a living society—the very anathema of autocracies
where the official position is sacrosanct.
Even the “normal” spends a great deal more energy aiming to fix things
out there than working to overcome his own flaws and shortcomings, or
contribute positively to the larger society. People don’t like to take
stock of what they are doing or not doing that is responsible for the
conditions they disapprove.
The Useful Idiot, among other things, is a master practitioner of
scapegoating. He assigns blame to others while absolving himself of
responsibility, has a long handy list of candidates for blaming
anything and everything, and by living a distorted life, he
contributes to the ills of society.
The Useful Idiot may even engage in willful misinformation and
deception when it suits him.
The lesson is clear. Beware of the Useful Idiots who live in liberal
democracies. Knowingly or unknowingly, they serve as the greatest
volunteer and effective soldiers of communism.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23947
Lamont Cranston
Opposition to Marxism
Fascists made no secret of their hatred of Marxists of all stripes, from
totalitarian communists to democratic socialists. Fascists promised to
deal more “firmly” with Marxists than had earlier, more democratic
rightist parties. Mussolini first made his reputation as a fascist by
unleashing armed squads of Blackshirts on striking workers and peasants
in 1920–21. Many early Nazis had served in the Freikorps, the
paramilitary groups formed by ex-soldiers to suppress leftist activism
in Germany at the end of World War I. The Nazi SA (Sturmabteilung
[“Assault Division”], or Brownshirts) clashed regularly with German
leftists...
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/202210/fascism/219364/Opposition-to-Marxism
Lamont Cranston
"Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism..." --Benito
Mussolini, the Father of Fascism
Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the
nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other
loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a
period of decline or destruction. To this end, fascism calls for a
"spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as
individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge "alien" forces and
groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate
masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of
violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority
doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At
the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on
either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries.
Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may
also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the
privileged nation or race.
Fascism's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to
activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or
enemies--and elitist--in that it treats the people's will as embodied in
a select group, or often one supreme leader, from whom authority
proceeds downward. Fascism seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement
in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all
spheres of society to its ideological vision of organic community,
usually through a totalitarian state. Both as a movement and a regime,
fascism uses mass organizations as a system of integration and control,
and uses organized violence to suppress opposition, although the scale
of violence varies widely.
Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and conservatism, yet it
borrows concepts and practices from all three. Fascism rejects the
principles of class struggle and workers' internationalism as threats to
national or racial unity, yet it often exploits real grievances against
capitalists and landowners through ethnic scapegoating or
radical-sounding conspiracy theories. Fascism rejects the liberal
doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and
representative government, yet it advocates broad popular participation
in politics and may use parliamentary channels in its drive to power.
Its vision of a "new order" clashes with the conservative attachment to
tradition-based institutions and hierarchies, yet fascism often
romanticizes the past as inspiration for national rebirth.
Fascism has a complex relationship with established elites and the
non-fascist right. It is never a mere puppet of the ruling class, but an
autonomous movement with its own social base. In practice, fascism
defends capitalism against instability and the left, but also pursues an
agenda that sometimes clashes with capitalist interests in significant
ways. There has been much cooperation, competition, and interaction
between fascism and other sections of the right, producing various
hybrid movements and regimes.
D. Peter Maus
The Nazi's distaste for Marxism had more to do with the ethnic
egalitarianism of the Communist Party than it did the actual
socialist structure. After all, the Nazi Party itself was the
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, originally
abbreviated NSDAP.
In English: National Socialist German Workers' Party
National SOCIALIST German WORKERS' Party. Bolsheviks, with poor
couture. And a taste for racial purity.
When they rose to power, the did what the oppressed always do:
they implement the iron fist of tyrrany in the Name of The People.
But they were first, and always, Socialists.
Clave
"D. Peter Maus" <dpete...@att.net> wrote in message
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<...>
> National SOCIALIST German WORKERS' Party. Bolsheviks, with poor couture.
> And a taste for racial purity.
>
> When they rose to power, the did what the oppressed always do: they
> implement the iron fist of tyrrany in the Name of The People.
>
> But they were first, and always, Socialists.
I suppose you're just stupid enough to believe China is a People's Republic
too.
Jim
--
Well, shit, you confused me. More than normal
-- Beldin
D. Peter Maus
> "D. Peter Maus"<dpete...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:i5f6en$u8p$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> <...>
>
>> National SOCIALIST German WORKERS' Party. Bolsheviks, with poor couture.
>> And a taste for racial purity.
>>
>> When they rose to power, the did what the oppressed always do: they
>> implement the iron fist of tyrrany in the Name of The People.
>>
>> But they were first, and always, Socialists.
>
> I suppose you're just stupid enough to believe China is a People's Republic
> too.
>
LOL! You're such a prize.
Clave
What's *really* funny is how many of you "Nazis were Socialists!" clowns
keep coming out of that little car.
As if everyone else in the world is as ignorant of what the words mean as
you are.
RHF
> On 8/29/10 19:53 , Lamont Cranston wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 8/29/2010 4:03 PM, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote:
>
> > Opposition to Marxism
>
> > Fascists made no secret of their hatred of Marxists of all stripes, from
> > totalitarian communists to democratic socialists. Fascists promised to
> > deal more “firmly” with Marxists than had earlier, more democratic
> > rightist parties. Mussolini first made his reputation as a fascist by
> > unleashing armed squads of Blackshirts on striking workers and peasants
> > in 1920–21. Many early Nazis had served in the Freikorps, the
> > paramilitary groups formed by ex-soldiers to suppress leftist activism
> > in Germany at the end of World War I. The Nazi SA (Sturmabteilung
> > [“Assault Division”], or Brownshirts) clashed regularly with German
> > leftists...
>
>
> The Nazi's distaste for Marxism had more to do with the ethnic
> egalitarianism of the Communist Party than it did the actual
> socialist structure. After all, the Nazi Party itself was the
> Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, originally
> abbreviated NSDAP.
>
> In English: National Socialist German Workers' Party
>
> National SOCIALIST German WORKERS' Party. Bolsheviks, with poor
> couture. And a taste for racial purity.
>
> When they rose to power, the did what the oppressed always do:
> they implement the iron fist of tyrrany in the Name of The People.
>
> But they were first, and always, Socialists.
DPM,
Fascists and Communists had Two Clashing
Visions of Socialism as a Means to an End :
National Socialists : Our Nation Above All
'other' Nations that are subordinate to us.
International Socialists {Communists} :
All Nations Equal to each other.
you can see the root basis for the conflict ~ RHF
.
RHF
> "D. Peter Maus" <dpeterm...@att.net> wrote in messagenews:i5f6en$u8p$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> <...>
>
> > National SOCIALIST German WORKERS' Party. Bolsheviks, with poor couture.
> > And a taste for racial purity.
>
> > When they rose to power, the did what the oppressed always do: they
> > implement the iron fist of tyrrany in the Name of The People.
>
> > But they were first, and always, Socialists.
>
- believe China is a People's Republic too.
"The People's Republic of China" (PRC)
that what they call themselves . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China
Clave
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:d1836ece-bff1-405f...@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Any other blitheringly obvious facts you'd care to point out, RHF?
Jim
RHF
> >news:i5f6en$u8p$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > <...>
>
> >> National SOCIALIST German WORKERS' Party. Bolsheviks, with poor couture.
> >> And a taste for racial purity.
>
> >> When they rose to power, the did what the oppressed always do: they
> >> implement the iron fist of tyrrany in the Name of The People.
>
> >> But they were first, and always, Socialists.
>
- - believe China is a People's Republic too.
- LOL! You're such a prize.
Cracker Jacks Anyone ! ? ! :o) ~ RHF
http://www.robtex.com/thumb/l/crackerjack.com.jpg
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Ringer
On Aug 29, 7:53 pm, "D. Peter Maus" <dpeterm...@att.net> wrote:
> On 8/29/10 19:53 , Lamont Cranston wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 8/29/2010 4:03 PM, ?baMa? Tse Dung wrote:
>
> > Opposition to Marxism
>
> > Fascists made no secret of their hatred of Marxists of all stripes, from
> > totalitarian communists to democratic socialists. Fascists promised to
> > deal more "firmly" with Marxists than had earlier, more democratic
> > rightist parties. Mussolini first made his reputation as a fascist by
> > unleashing armed squads of Blackshirts on striking workers and peasants
DPM,
The Nazi party was made up of several groups and when Hitler got into power
his vision of the state took over. He didn't nationalize industry and he saw
Bolsheviks as sub human. The battle between communism and the rightwing
ultra conservatives was one of ideology. The socialists in Germany took a
back seat to all this after 1936. Your definitions of National Socialism is
just that-yours. The National Socialist party headed by Dr. Joseph Goebbels
was for a joining of the prolitariot in russia and germany and the
nationization of industry. This ended in 1926 when Goebbles joined with
Adolph Hitler.
Chas. Chan
wrote:
>
> > around. How they went from throwing people in jail w/o charges during
> > Wilson's admin. to now taking extreme civil rights/human rights
>
>
The only idiot that supports the ACLU is a ComuSexual.
The American Cival Liberties Union (ACLU) was established in 1920 by
Roger Baldwin who candidly stated that “Communism [was] the goal”
toward which his efforts were directed.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6145
D. Peter Maus
Thank you for addressing the issues. Now, we have a discussion.
Your thinking on this is pretty clear. And I agree that there
were difference between Marxist socialism and that driven by the
NSDAP. I acknowledged that there were differences in philosophy. And
stated that there may have been more urgent differences than mere
politics.
Stripping away the Nationalistic impetus, for a moment, you see
that what the NSDAP had envisioned was borne of socialism, but in
Germany, for Aryan blood only. Socialism for Germans and exclusion
from the benefits of citizenship in the State for non-Aryans. But
socialism, just the same.
The ethnic egalitarianism of Marxist socialism and Communism
clashed directly with Hitler's view of a pure society--that being of
social, national, and, especially, ethnic purity. Joining of the
proletariats from the two nations would have created a much
different society from that envisioned by Hitler, with the inclusion
of non-Aryan ethnicities. So Goebbels' vision would have as you
point out, ended with his alliance with Hitler.
Now layering the Nationalist impetus back on the NSDAP you see
the Deutschland Uber Alles mentality driving the global political
goals, but, at home, the vision was still of socialism for German
nationals of Aryan blood.
Fascism ultimately became the means to achieving the social
utopian end by simply requiring standards of Aryan German ethnicity
to hold and retain wealth and influence. Once approved by the
Chancellor's Office, the elite would need to serve at the pleasure
of the Chancellor to retain their station. Once met, the socialist
agenda could be furthered much more quickly than by Marxism, and the
Fascist machinery became the system of choice for the new Reich.
But the goal was still socialism for German nationals.
dave
> The Nazi's distaste for Marxism had more to do with the ethnic
> egalitarianism of the Communist Party than it did the actual socialist
> structure. After all, the Nazi Party itself was the
> Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, originally abbreviated
> NSDAP.
>
> In English: National Socialist German Workers' Party
>
> National SOCIALIST German WORKERS' Party. Bolsheviks, with poor couture.
> And a taste for racial purity.
>
> When they rose to power, the did what the oppressed always do: they
> implement the iron fist of tyrrany in the Name of The People.
>
> But they were first, and always, Socialists.
>
Right...
And North Korea is a people's democratic republic.
The name doesn't define the government. Socialist is a vague term. I'm a
libertarian socialist and we don't like any kind of government.
dave
>
> Fascism ultimately became the means to achieving the social utopian end
> by simply requiring standards of Aryan German ethnicity to hold and
> retain wealth and influence. Once approved by the Chancellor's Office,
> the elite would need to serve at the pleasure of the Chancellor to
> retain their station. Once met, the socialist agenda could be furthered
> much more quickly than by Marxism, and the Fascist machinery became the
> system of choice for the new Reich.
>
> But the goal was still socialism for German nationals.
>
>
Did the people own the means of production? No.
Nazi Germany was run by industrialists and fascists. No socialism in sight.
Kevin Alfred Strom
Dave --
Have you ever taken a good look at "the people?" The proletariat?
Have you observed them where they gather, like at Wal Mart? Have you
studied them with a objective eye -- up close?
If you have, you know for sure that they're never going to own or
run _anything_, much less "the means of production."
Most of them can't spell "production."
They will always be the dupes and tools of clever scoundrels.
By taking away their votes (wasted on them anyway, since they
understand nothing), which the Founders never intended them to have,
we would take away more than half of the power of the scoundrels.
Honor bright,
Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/
Witziges Rätsel
news:316fc800-637d-4297...@n3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
>Lenin identified “Useful Idiots” as those who lived in liberal
>democracies and furthered the work of communism.
>
Don't lots of people say that Christians are idiots?
D. Peter Maus
It's easy to call names.
A little more significant to create one, and then define it.
But not by much.
But it's been historically useful to substitute name calling for
actual dialogue about an issue....to decry an opponent of not worthy
of engaging by attaching a name to him/her.
Which is where we are, today.
DEFCON 88
[...]
>
> The name doesn't define the government. Socialist is a vague term. I'm a
> libertarian socialist and we don't like any kind of government.
>
But without a government, who are you socialists gonna get to steal
money from those hated and despised people who earned it and give it
to those who didn't?
dave
>
>
> Dave --
>
> Have you ever taken a good look at "the people?" The proletariat?
>
> Have you observed them where they gather, like at Wal Mart? Have you
> studied them with a objective eye -- up close?
>
> If you have, you know for sure that they're never going to own or run
> _anything_, much less "the means of production."
>
> Most of them can't spell "production."
>
> They will always be the dupes and tools of clever scoundrels.
>
> By taking away their votes (wasted on them anyway, since they understand
> nothing), which the Founders never intended them to have, we would take
> away more than half of the power of the scoundrels.
>
>
> Honor bright,
>
>
> Kevin Alfred Strom.
I don't subscribe to your religion. There's nothing inherently wrong
with people. They are screwed-up from birth by a perverse culture.
Education (for critical thinking skills) and information (to apply said
skills) are not available to all, contrary to the founders' vision.
I shop at WalMart (but I always put my teeth in first).
Clave
It's where any ignoramus who calls the Nazis "Socialists" is today.
Jim
RHF
> On 8/30/10 07:21 , Ringer wrote:
>
>
>
" Ethno-Socialism "
For the People Everything & For All Other Nothing
now where am i hearing this now . . . hummm ~ RHF
Wexford
wrote:
Excellent response. I would add that Fascism usually relies on two
additional things to get and retain control: (1) A persecution myth.
We -- pure and honest spirits -- are being persecuted by evil forces
because they hate our purity and honesty and because they are greedy
and evil and want to suppress all that is not evil and take everything
from the good people. A corollary to this is that although we are good
and compassionate we should repress our natural compasion and do
everything we can to eradicate the evil. Note: this is what Glenn Beck
was implying over the weekend and what the Teabaggers seem to be
pissed-off about. (2) Outside forces are attempting to invade and
crush us both from the outside and from fifth columnists inside. The
State must protect the good people from the threats outside and inside
the country. Hitler, Stalin, Mao and every other nutcase dictator who
has run a country uses this ruse. Bush used it to good effect as well
in justifying the Iraq war. Condi Rice played Goebbles to Bush's dime-
store Hitler. Unfortunately for the Pugs, the notion of perpetual
warfare in terms of the GWAT didn't catch fire.
RHF
> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
> > Fascism ultimately became the means to achieving the social utopian end
> > by simply requiring standards of Aryan German ethnicity to hold and
> > retain wealth and influence. Once approved by the Chancellor's Office,
> > the elite would need to serve at the pleasure of the Chancellor to
> > retain their station. Once met, the socialist agenda could be furthered
> > much more quickly than by Marxism, and the Fascist machinery became the
> > system of choice for the new Reich.
>
> > But the goal was still socialism for German nationals.
- Did the people own the means of production?
- No.
- Nazi Germany was run by industrialists and fascists.
- No socialism in sight.
Dave,
Do the People Own 'The Means of Production' in
most so-called "Socialist" States Today . . . -n-o-
yet - those nations and their people proudly
call themselves 'socialist' ~ RHF
.
Yes in the Great USSR and the PRC On-Paper
the People Owned the 'Means of Production'
-but- Who CONTROLS "The Means of Production"
The Party Elite and their Political Cadre.
-note- there are many stops
on the road to socialism
-and- the road to socialism is
paved with good intentions
.
.
Wexford
> Lenin identified “Useful Idiots” as those who lived in liberal
> democracies and furthered the work of communism.
Uh.. just so you'll know, Lenin died almost -- There aren't any
Communists any more. Lenin's head would explode if saw the versions of
"Communism" now practiced in China, Vietnam and North Korea.
The most useful idiots these days are the Teabaggers and the general
Pug hoi-paloi. They're useful to corporate bureaucrats and other
exploiters that con the public and abuse public trust.
RHF
> "D. Peter Maus" <dpeterm...@att.net> wrote in messagenews:i5gm3l$7ft$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > On 8/30/10 11:22 , Witziges Rätsel wrote:
> >>news:316fc800-637d-4297...@n3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> Lenin identified “Useful Idiots” as those who lived in liberal
> >>> democracies and furthered the work of communism.
>
> >> Don't lots of people say that Christians are idiots?
>
> > It's easy to call names.
>
> > A little more significant to create one, and then define it.
>
> > But not by much.
>
> > But it's been historically useful to substitute name calling for actual
> > dialogue about an issue....
- - to decry an opponent of not worthy of engaging
- - by attaching a name to him/her.
- - Which is where we are, today.
- It's where any ignoramus who calls the
- Nazis "Socialists" is today.
- Jim
Gee Wow isn't 'ignoramus' name calling . . .
rotfl ~ RHF
-note- there are many stops on the road to socialism
-and- the road to socialism is paved with good intentions
.
" Ethno-Socialism "
For the People Everything & For All Others Nothing
now where am i hearing this now . . . hummm ~ RHF
-wrt-
"Por La Raza Todo -y- Fuera de La Raza Nada"
.
.
Wexford
>
> - Show quoted text -
In this case, it's just a description, like fat-assed or drooling or
incoherent or rightard.
DEFCON 88
> On Aug 29, 7:03 pm, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Lenin identified “Useful Idiots” as those who lived in liberal
> > democracies and furthered the work of communism.
>
> Uh.. just so you'll know, Lenin died almost -- There aren't any
> Communists any more. Lenin's head would explode if saw the versions of
> "Communism" now practiced in China, Vietnam and North Korea.
>
No communists any more? How absurd. You sound like a useful idiot (as
defined by Lenin).
RHF
> On Aug 30, 5:02 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 30, 1:27 pm, "Clave" <claviusdes...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
> > > "D. Peter Maus" <dpeterm...@att.net> wrote in messagenews:i5gm3l$7ft$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > > > On 8/30/10 11:22 , Witziges Rätsel wrote:
> > > >> "ØbaMaØ Tse Dung"<0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >>news:316fc800-637d-4297...@n3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > >>> Lenin identified “Useful Idiots” as those who lived in liberal
> > > >>> democracies and furthered the work of communism.
>
> > > >> Don't lots of people say that Christians are idiots?
>
> > > > It's easy to call names.
>
> > > > A little more significant to create one, and then define it.
>
> > > > But not by much.
>
> > > > But it's been historically useful to substitute name calling for actual
> > > > dialogue about an issue....
>
> > - - to decry an opponent of not worthy of engaging
> > - - by attaching a name to him/her.
> > - - Which is where we are, today.
>
> > - It's where any ignoramus who calls the
> > - Nazis "Socialists" is today.
> > - Jim
- - Gee Wow isn't 'ignoramus' name calling . . .
- - rotfl ~ RHF
> > -note- there are many stops on the road to socialism
> > -and- the road to socialism is paved with good intentions
> > .
> > " Ethno-Socialism "
> > For the People Everything & For All Others Nothing
>
> > now where am i hearing this now . . . hummm ~ RHF
> > -wrt-
> > "Por La Raza Todo -y- Fuera de La Raza Nada"
> > .
> > .- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
- In this case, it's just a description,
- like fat-assed or drooling or
- incoherent or rightard.
Wexford ?fat-assed ?
Wexford ?drooling?
Wexford ?incoherent?
Wexford ?rightard?
.
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[>: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :<]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
.
RHF
> On Aug 30, 4:51 pm, Wexford <wrya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 29, 7:03 pm, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Lenin identified “Useful Idiots” as those who lived in liberal
> > > democracies and furthered the work of communism.
>
> > Uh.. just so you'll know, Lenin died almost -- There aren't any
> > Communists any more. Lenin's head would explode if saw the versions of
> > "Communism" now practiced in China, Vietnam and North Korea.
>
- You sound like a useful idiot (as defined by Lenin).
Like Demons : There Be Communists ERrrrr !
So calim that 'The Devils' great trick was to
make people believe that he did not exist . . .
.
D. Peter Maus
Thank you for underscoring my point.
Wexford
Useful idiot? What are you? What is the whole "conservative" movement
in the United States? You're used by corporatist bureaucrats to their
own ends, you stupid sod. THERE ARE NO COMMUNISTS. THE SOVIET UNION IS
DEAD. MAOISM IS DEAD. NO ONE SINGS THE INTERNATIONALE. LOOK FOR
ANOTHER HOBGOBLIN.
Lamont Cranston
> On 8/29/10 19:53 , Lamont Cranston wrote:
>> On 8/29/2010 4:03 PM, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote:
>>
>>
>> Fascists made no secret of their hatred of Marxists of all stripes, from
>> totalitarian communists to democratic socialists. Fascists promised to
>> deal more “firmly” with Marxists than had earlier, more democratic
>> rightist parties. Mussolini first made his reputation as a fascist by
>> unleashing armed squads of Blackshirts on striking workers and peasants
>> paramilitary groups formed by ex-soldiers to suppress leftist activism
>> in Germany at the end of World War I. The Nazi SA (Sturmabteilung
>> [“Assault Division”], or Brownshirts) clashed regularly with German
>> leftists...
>>
>>
>>
>
> The Nazi's distaste for Marxism had more to do with the ethnic
> egalitarianism of the Communist Party than it did the actual socialist
> structure. After all, the Nazi Party itself was the
> Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, originally abbreviated
> NSDAP.
>
> In English: National Socialist German Workers' Party
>
> National SOCIALIST German WORKERS' Party. Bolsheviks, with poor couture.
> And a taste for racial purity.
Yep -- right wing.
>
> When they rose to power, the did what the oppressed always do: they
> implement the iron fist of tyrrany in the Name of The People.
>
> But they were first, and always, Socialists.
Wrong. They were National Socialists (right wingers, which is why
Preston Bush climbed in bed with them). You probably believe that China
is a republic.
Lamont Cranston
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> National SOCIALIST German WORKERS' Party. Bolsheviks, with poor couture.
>>> And a taste for racial purity.
>>>
>>> implement the iron fist of tyrrany in the Name of The People.
>>>
>>> But they were first, and always, Socialists.
>>
>> Republic
>> too.
>>
>
> LOL! You're such a prize.
>
Irony, anyone?
Topaz
"Fascism now throws the noxious theories of so-called Liberalism upon
the rubbish heap.
Fascism...does not hesitate to call itself illiberal and
anti-liberal." - Benito Mussolini
In 1923 Mussolini was asked by an Italian encyclopedia person to
define and explain the word "Fascism" for their new edition. He said
the key concepts of fascism were overt nationalism, and repudiation of
liberalism in all its forms.
http://www.ihr.org/ www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/
http://www.natvan.com http://www.nsm88.org
http://heretical.com/ http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/
Clave
On Aug 30, 1:27 pm, "Clave" <claviusdes...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> "D. Peter Maus" <dpeterm...@att.net> wrote in
> messagenews:i5gm3l$7ft$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > On 8/30/10 11:22 , Witziges Rätsel wrote:
> >> "ØbaMaØ Tse Dung"<0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:316fc800-637d-4297...@n3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> Lenin identified “Useful Idiots” as those who lived in liberal
> >>> democracies and furthered the work of communism.
>
> >> Don't lots of people say that Christians are idiots?
>
> > It's easy to call names.
>
> > A little more significant to create one, and then define it.
>
> > But not by much.
>
> > But it's been historically useful to substitute name calling for actual
> > dialogue about an issue....
- - to decry an opponent of not worthy of engaging
- - by attaching a name to him/her.
- - Which is where we are, today.
- It's where any ignoramus who calls the
- Nazis "Socialists" is today.
- Jim
Gee Wow isn't 'ignoramus' name calling . . .
==================================================================
Not when it's the truth.
Jim
Clave
> On 8/30/10 15:27 , Clave wrote:
>> "D. Peter Maus"<dpete...@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:i5gm3l$7ft$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
<...>
>>> But it's been historically useful to substitute name calling for
>>> actual
>>> dialogue about an issue....to decry an opponent of not worthy of
>>> engaging
>>> by attaching a name to him/her.
>>>
>>> Which is where we are, today.
>>
>> It's where any ignoramus who calls the Nazis "Socialists" is today.
>
> Thank you for underscoring my point.
That you're a political illiterate? You hardly needed my help for that.
But you're welcome, I guess.
Jim
Joe from Kokomo
> Gee Wow isn't 'ignoramus' name calling . . .
Actually, no. In this case, it's a statement of fact.
D. Peter Maus
> "D. Peter Maus"<dpete...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:i5h75f$oan$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 8/30/10 15:27 , Clave wrote:
>>> "D. Peter Maus"<dpete...@att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:i5gm3l$7ft$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> <...>
>
>>>> But it's been historically useful to substitute name calling for
>>>> actual
>>>> dialogue about an issue....to decry an opponent of not worthy of
>>>> engaging
>>>> by attaching a name to him/her.
>>>>
>>>> Which is where we are, today.
>>>
>>> It's where any ignoramus who calls the Nazis "Socialists" is today.
>>
>> Thank you for underscoring my point.
>
> That you're a political illiterate? You hardly needed my help for that.
>
> But you're welcome, I guess.
Again. Name calling rather than addressing the discussion.
That would suggest not only a weak argument, but an inadequacy of
weilding it.
That is assuming that you HAD an argument.
So far, you've only shown your bluster.
Have a good evening, Jim.
P
Clave
news:i5hini$u1k$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 8/30/10 18:38 , Clave wrote:
>> "D. Peter Maus"<dpete...@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:i5h75f$oan$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 8/30/10 15:27 , Clave wrote:
>>>> "D. Peter Maus"<dpete...@att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:i5gm3l$7ft$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>>>> But it's been historically useful to substitute name calling for
>>>>> actual dialogue about an issue....to decry an opponent of not worthy
>>>>> of engaging by attaching a name to him/her.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is where we are, today.
>>>>
>>>> It's where any ignoramus who calls the Nazis "Socialists" is today.
>>>
>>> Thank you for underscoring my point.
>>
>> That you're a political illiterate? You hardly needed my help for that.
>>
>> But you're welcome, I guess.
>
>
> Again. Name calling rather than addressing the discussion.
I *am* addressing the discussion -- it's about your political pig-ignorance
and the way you cling to it like some kind of worn-out security blanky.
I can understand how you'd want to pretend it's about something else,
though.
Jim
D. Peter Maus
Yes, I thought you might.
Clave
Concession accepted.
And since it's obviously quite important to you, please have the last word.
Jim
--
Well, shit, you confused me. More than normal
-- Beldin
D. Peter Maus
LOL!
Thank you. Since you're so generous, I'll let you buy me lunch,
as well.
>
>
>
>
m II
>> No communists any more? How absurd. You sound like a useful idiot (as
>> defined by Lenin).
>
> Useful idiot? What are you? What is the whole "conservative" movement
> in the United States? You're used by corporatist bureaucrats to their
> own ends, you stupid sod. THERE ARE NO COMMUNISTS. THE SOVIET UNION IS
> DEAD. MAOISM IS DEAD. NO ONE SINGS THE INTERNATIONALE. LOOK FOR
> ANOTHER HOBGOBLIN.
============================
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an
endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H.L. Mencken
============================
mike
John Smith
> ...
> ============================
> The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
> (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an
> endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
>
> H.L. Mencken
> ============================
> ...
I'd be willing to be that any country with a dictator, who didn't expend
their lives attempting to halt the dictator, pretty much had thoughts
along those lines.
I'd imagine the people in new orleans, before katrina, were pretty smug
and secure ...
It is all knowing what is real, and what ain't ... and when it makes no
difference to the protection of your safety ...
Regards,
JS
RHF
wrote:
> On 8/29/2010 7:53 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 8/29/10 19:53 , Lamont Cranston wrote:
> >> On 8/29/2010 4:03 PM, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote:
>
> >> Opposition to Marxism
>
> >> Fascists made no secret of their hatred of Marxists of all stripes, from
> >> totalitarian communists to democratic socialists. Fascists promised to
> >> deal more “firmly” with Marxists than had earlier, more democratic
> >> rightist parties. Mussolini first made his reputation as a fascist by
> >> unleashing armed squads of Blackshirts on striking workers and peasants
> >> in 1920–21. Many early Nazis had served in the Freikorps, the
> >> paramilitary groups formed by ex-soldiers to suppress leftist activism
> >> in Germany at the end of World War I. The Nazi SA (Sturmabteilung
> >> [“Assault Division”], or Brownshirts) clashed regularly with German
> >> leftists...
>
>
> > The Nazi's distaste for Marxism had more to do with the ethnic
> > egalitarianism of the Communist Party than it did the actual socialist
> > structure. After all, the Nazi Party itself was the
> > Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, originally abbreviated
> > NSDAP.
>
> > In English: National Socialist German Workers' Party
>
> > National SOCIALIST German WORKERS' Party. Bolsheviks, with poor couture.
> > And a taste for racial purity.
>
> Yep -- right wing.
>
>
>
> > When they rose to power, the did what the oppressed always do: they
> > implement the iron fist of tyrrany in the Name of The People.
>
- Wrong.
- They were National Socialists (right wingers,
- which is why Preston Bush climbed in bed with them).
So which part of "National Socialist" is not 'Socialist'
The 'National' part . . .
-or-
The Socialist part . . .
Does Nationalism -cancel-out- Socialism ?
=IF+ that is the case then the only real, true
and legitament Socialists are the International
Socialist -aka- Communists.
-wrt- Preston Bush -wrong name-
Please return to your Liberal Democrat Talking Points
training page and try to get it right.
-hint- "Prescott" Bush
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
Prescott Bush became vice-president of A. Harriman & Co.
You now that great Democrat Family of Harrimans [D]
* Brown Brothers Harriman & Co.[D]
* Harriman Brothers & Co. [D]
* William Averell Harriman [D], who became a major
Democratic Party power-broker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Averell_Harriman#War_seizures_controversy
* * Harriman Bank -wrt-NAZI War Seizures
* * Union Banking Corporation (UBC) (Harriman & Thyssen)
* * Holland-American Trading Corporation (Harriman & Thyssen)
* * Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (Harriman & Thyssen)
* * Silesian-American Corporation (Harriman & Thyssen)
* Union Banking Corporation
* * E. Roland Harriman (Harriman & Company)
-note- That the Bush's were always the junior partners
to the Harrimans [D]
-while- the Harrimans where up to their necks in
Funding and Working with the NAZI {Thyssen}
War Machine
-but- Your one-sided Liberal Democrat Talking Points
training page left these other equal real facts out about
one of their own NAZI Collaborators.
- You probably believe that China is a republic.
Trust in a name 'Peoples Republic of China"
-hint- "Republic" does not mean a 'democracy'
-tip- "Democrat Principles does not mean a
'democracy' either.
pal ~ RHF
.
.
RHF
> "D. Peter Maus" <DPeterM...@att.net> wrote in messagenews:i5hini$u1k$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > On 8/30/10 18:38 , Clave wrote:
> >>news:i5h75f$oan$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>> On 8/30/10 15:27 , Clave wrote:
> >>>>news:i5gm3l$7ft$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >> <...>
>
> >>>>> But it's been historically useful to substitute name calling for
> >>>>> actual dialogue about an issue....to decry an opponent of not worthy
> >>>>> of engaging by attaching a name to him/her.
>
> >>>>> Which is where we are, today.
>
> >>>> It's where any ignoramus who calls the Nazis "Socialists" is today.
>
> >>> Thank you for underscoring my point.
>
> >> That you're a political illiterate? You hardly needed my help for that.
>
> >> But you're welcome, I guess.
>
> > Again. Name calling rather than addressing the discussion.
>
> I *am* addressing the discussion -- it's about your political pig-ignorance
> and the way you cling to it like some kind of worn-out security blanky.
>
> I can understand how you'd want to pretend it's about something else,
> though.
>
> Jim
Clave/Jim ? pig-ignorance ?
.
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[>: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :<]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
.
.
Clave
Shall I put it in smaller words for you?
Jim
RHF
> On Aug 30, 5:06 pm, DEFCON 88 <DEFC0...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 30, 4:51 pm,Wexford<wrya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 29, 7:03 pm, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Lenin identified “Useful Idiots” as those who lived in liberal
> > > > democracies and furthered the work of communism.
>
> > > Uh.. just so you'll know, Lenin died almost -- There aren't any
> > > Communists any more. Lenin's head would explode if saw the versions of
> > > "Communism" now practiced in China, Vietnam and North Korea.
>
> > No communists any more? How absurd. You sound like a useful idiot (as
> > defined by Lenin).
>
> Useful idiot? What are you? What is the whole "conservative" movement
> in the United States? You're used by corporatist bureaucrats to their
> own ends, you stupid sod.
- THERE ARE NO COMMUNISTS.
The Greatest Trick that the Devil achieved was
to convince people that he did not exist.
-hint- Replace 'Communism' for 'Devil'.
- THE SOVIET UNION IS DEAD.
But the legacy Communist Party is still an
active political force within present day Russia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpvwh292VKI
-info-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Russian_Federation
- MAOISM IS DEAD.
But Maoism {Chinese Communism} Lives On.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28WbSInXDPA
-info-
http://www.chinatoday.com/org/cpc/
- NO ONE SINGS THE INTERNATIONALE.
Just cause they are not Singing 'The Internationale'
Out Loud; does not mean that millions are not
Humming it over and over again in their minds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2F_qFwsORk
LOOK FOR ANOTHER HOBGOBLIN.
No More Communists : Tell That To Fidel {Cuba}
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vydrfgz3weU
-and- his protege Hugo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMKe6QVjT84
.
.
dave
dave
dave
>
> I'd imagine the people in new orleans, before katrina, were pretty smug
> and secure ...
>
Of course they were. Not!
New Orleans always knew that day would come. The official city drink is
called the Hurricane. The whole attitude of the place is party hearty
for tomorrow we may die. They do death better than anybody.
New Orleans is the soul of the USA. It always has been. Ask Coohoo.
John Smith
>> ...
> Of course they were. Not!
>
> New Orleans always knew that day would come. The official city drink is
> called the Hurricane. The whole attitude of the place is party hearty
> for tomorrow we may die. They do death better than anybody.
>
> New Orleans is the soul of the USA. It always has been. Ask Coohoo.
Yes, well, I worry about the world ending tomorrow, aliens abducting me,
a meteor striking my house, a heart attack, what I would do with the
money if I won the lottery, etc.
There are "worries" and then there are WORRIES!
Regards,
JS
AzzMazta
Actually, more like political totalitarianism combined with free-market
economics. Fascism would imply that the government heavily controlled
Wal-Mart's slave labor factories.
--
Henry Pizzinger Institution
for the Mentally 31337
AzzMazta, Chairman & CEO
www.xcopfly.com
Michael Coburn
> On Aug 30, 9:52 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>
>
>> The name doesn't define the government. Socialist is a vague term. I'm
>> a libertarian socialist and we don't like any kind of government.
>>
>>
> But without a government, who are you socialists gonna get to steal
> money from those hated and despised people who earned it and give it to
> those who didn't?
With the exception of celebrities, most income in excess of half a
million is UNEARNED. It is excessive "producer surplus" or it is
economic rent. These funds are essentially stolen from the common people
and pocketed by the rich. All wealth is earned or naturally occurring.
But all too often the collectors of the wealth are not the producers of
the wealth. And the redistribution of this stolen prosperity is the
primary job of governments.
--
"Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60
Day Brown
> I don't subscribe to your religion. There's nothing inherently wrong
> with people. They are screwed-up from birth by a perverse culture.
> Education (for critical thinking skills) and information (to apply said
> skills) are not available to all, contrary to the founders' vision.
>
> I shop at WalMart (but I always put my teeth in first).
They are screwed up before birth as well.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090605123237.htm
In addition, higher adrenaline & testosterone speed reflexes, but
also cause umpulsivity, while lower seratonin and dopamine sharpen
senses but also produce restless sleep, and they wake up grouchy.
they are also more prone to drug addiction because of the effect on
dopamine. And naturally, some gene pools have more men with the more
troublesome hormone profiles.
Education and socialization are necessary, but not sufficient.
Its the alpha male mentality which innately prefers the order and
discipline of fascist or any other kind of tyranny. Liberals have always
railed against tyranny of any sort from the podium, but been quite
willing to apply themselves to the demagoguery needed to rule in
whatever way they wanted.
Kevin Alfred Strom
Totally preposterous.
A man works his entire life so he can become a producer of, say,
superb audio electronics, as a friend of mine did -- and he does so,
is successful in producing his useful items and earns a few million,
risking much and hiring many people in the process, from engineers
to designers to floor sweepers.
What appalling and frightening hubris -- to declare that some
elected criminal or appointed "authority" can take his life's work
away from him.
It is often the super-rich (in the multibillionaire class) who are
behind the kind of false-flag theft schemes that you advocate. They
don't want any bright upstart new millionaire-class competitors.
Ever. So they love it when the new fellows are taxed or regulated
out of existence -- taxes and regulations which the super-rich can
evade through carefully-crafted loopholes or other tricks; and
regulations they can afford, though the new upstarts can't.
We need bright, creative people to keep as much of the wealth they
earn as possible. Because 1) that's justice, and 2) for our own
selfish reasons -- because bright, creative people will do bright,
creative things with that wealth, and that benefits us all.
Stealing it (the "primary job of government" according to you) and
giving it to deadly dull bureaucrats and the spawn of the least
intelligent among us will only end up increasing spinning hubcap
sales, and Wal-Mart's and McDonald's bottom line. What a waste.
Furthermore, income "redistribution," though it devastates the lives
of so many families and impoverishes our civilization, gives no
lasting benefit to the people it's supposed to help.
If this Halloween you took _all_ the wealth of the nation and
divided it _precisely equally_ among all the featherless bipeds in
America, by New Year's eve there would be millionaires and poor
people by the multiple millions. So the whole exercise is pointless
even if you accept its tyrannical and unconstitutional central premise.
Of course, there are fraudsters who steal other people's wealth
(besides bureaucrats and congressmen, I mean).
The most egregious among them are the bankers, and I don't mean just
the Fed. I mean the entire commercial banking system, which makes
"loans" on demand deposits -- which is essentially creating money
out of thin air, on which "created" money they have a license to
collect interest. That _is_ theft, and shouldn't be allowed.
With all good wishes,
Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/
m II
> Stealing it (the "primary job of government" according to you) and
> giving it to deadly dull bureaucrats and the spawn of the least
> intelligent among us will only end up increasing spinning hubcap sales,
> and Wal-Mart's and McDonald's bottom line. What a waste.
> Kevin Alfred Strom.
From Holland MI:
====================================
I get my ride be fixed, I be cruisin to be givin ya da shake, yu be
knowin, eh?
Steve Lare
====================================
mike
Michael Coburn
> Michael Coburn wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:11:01 -0700, DEFCON 88 wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 30, 9:52 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The name doesn't define the government. Socialist is a vague term.
>>>> I'm a libertarian socialist and we don't like any kind of government.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> But without a government, who are you socialists gonna get to steal
>>> money from those hated and despised people who earned it and give it
>>> to those who didn't?
>>
>>
>> With the exception of celebrities, most income in excess of half a
>> million is UNEARNED. It is excessive "producer surplus" or it is
>> economic rent. These funds are essentially stolen from the common
>> people and pocketed by the rich. All wealth is earned or naturally
>> occurring. But all too often the collectors of the wealth are not the
>> producers of the wealth. And the redistribution of this stolen
>> prosperity is the primary job of governments.
>>
>>
>
> Totally preposterous.
Not so, oh idiot one.
> A man works his entire life so he can become a producer of, say, superb
> audio electronics, as a friend of mine did -- and he does so, is
> successful in producing his useful items and earns a few million,
> risking much and hiring many people in the process, from engineers to
> designers to floor sweepers.
So far, so good.
> What appalling and frightening hubris -- to declare that some elected
> criminal or appointed "authority" can take his life's work away from
> him.
Why the lying? Is it in the genes?
> It is often the super-rich (in the multibillionaire class) who are
> behind the kind of false-flag theft schemes that you advocate.
The only problem, liar, is that I have not advocated any scheme and that
I recognize most of the "schemes" of those that are advocates.
> They
> don't want any bright upstart new millionaire-class competitors. Ever.
> So they love it when the new fellows are taxed or regulated out of
> existence -- taxes and regulations which the super-rich can evade
> through carefully-crafted loopholes or other tricks; and regulations
> they can afford, though the new upstarts can't.
This pig crap about "loopholes" seems to be a major preoccupation among
the stupid and the liars. There are doubtless some "loopholes" that are
earmarks and the like which do not serve the greater good. But a
deduction or even a credit for something in energy conservation or new
energy deployment is created for a reason.
> We need bright, creative people to keep as much of the wealth they earn
> as possible. Because 1) that's justice, and 2) for our own selfish
> reasons -- because bright, creative people will do bright, creative
> things with that wealth, and that benefits us all.
And exactly why do you have this asinine opinion that I would disagree
with those who earn their dough, keeping the dough? I have not ever
claimed that earned income and earned wealth should be heavily taxed. If
I disagree with most on the "right side of the spectrum" I see innovation
and actual creation as inherent in man and that it is almost impossible
to keep men from dreaming and imagining and pursuing new and better
technology. The proposition that technological advance is based on the
search for riches is a Republican lie. Most of us seek "fame" as opposed
to money. And that is only secondary to the will to discover something
new.
> Stealing it (the "primary job of goverment" according to you)
No. That is your lie about what I am saying.
> and
> giving it to deadly dull bureaucrats and the spawn of the least
> intelligent among us will only end up increasing spinning hubcap sales,
> and Wal-Mart's and McDonald's bottom line. What a waste.
This is the usual rightraded rant. (snore)
> Furthermore, income "redistribution," though it devastates the lives of
> so many families and impoverishes our civilization, gives no lasting
> benefit to the people it's supposed to help.
More made up shit from the intellectually challenged.
> If this Halloween you took _all_ the wealth of the nation and divided it
> _precisely equally_ among all the featherless bipeds in America, by New
> Year's eve there would be millionaires and poor people by the multiple
> millions. So the whole exercise is pointless even if you accept its
> tyrannical and unconstitutional central premise.
I agree!! Yet you are such a simpleton that you are having cardiac
arrest over something that does not exist and is not proposed.
> Of course, there are fraudsters who steal other people's wealth (besides
> bureaucrats and congressmen, I mean).
(snore)
> The most egregious among them are the bankers, and I don't mean just the
> Fed. I mean the entire commercial banking system, which makes "loans" on
> demand deposits -- which is essentially creating money out of thin air,
> on which "created" money they have a license to collect interest. That
> _is_ theft, and shouldn't be allowed.
It should be allowed to the extent necessary to support a reasonable
financial sector of the economy. As it is, that is not the case, and an
unreasonable amount of money is being REDISTRIBUTED to the financiers of
all stripes.
dave
>
> With the exception of celebrities, most income in excess of half a
> million is UNEARNED. It is excessive "producer surplus" or it is
> economic rent. These funds are essentially stolen from the common people
> and pocketed by the rich. All wealth is earned or naturally occurring.
> But all too often the collectors of the wealth are not the producers of
> the wealth. And the redistribution of this stolen prosperity is the
> primary job of governments.
>
Anybody who uses money to "keep score" is an enemy of the people.
dave
> On 08/30/2010 04:13 PM, dave wrote:
>> I don't subscribe to your religion. There's nothing inherently wrong
>> with people. They are screwed-up from birth by a perverse culture.
>> Education (for critical thinking skills) and information (to apply said
>> skills) are not available to all, contrary to the founders' vision.
>>
>> I shop at WalMart (but I always put my teeth in first).
>
> They are screwed up before birth as well.
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090605123237.htm
> In addition, higher adrenaline & testosterone speed reflexes, but
> also cause umpulsivity, while lower seratonin and dopamine sharpen
> senses but also produce restless sleep, and they wake up grouchy.
> they are also more prone to drug addiction because of the effect on
> dopamine. And naturally, some gene pools have more men with the more
> troublesome hormone profiles.
>
I have antisocial tendencies myself. My epinephrine comes and goes.
RHF
> Michael Coburn wrote:
>
> > With the exception of celebrities, most income in excess of half a
> > million is UNEARNED. It is excessive "producer surplus" or it is
> > economic rent. These funds are essentially stolen from the common people
> > and pocketed by the rich. All wealth is earned or naturally occurring.
> > But all too often the collectors of the wealth are not the producers of
> > the wealth. And the redistribution of this stolen prosperity is the
> > primary job of governments.
- Anybody who uses money to "keep score"
- is an enemy of the people.
Dave - In God We Trust !
all others swipe your cards* ~ RHF
* or pay cash
.
Day Brown
rational, and need not respond to the emotions of others, limiting your
comments to context alone. I'm grateful.
Law is written in ASCII, and that's what counts.
Nickname unavailable
uses Nazi techniques to rally the mob:New agencies all the world over
are for the most part in the hands of Jews:If you substitute liberal
for jew you have the same language
http://moronia.us/front/2009/12/back-to-the-30’s-how-the-gop-uses-nazi-techniques-to-rally-the-mob/
Back to the ‘30s: how the GOP uses Nazi techniques to rally the mob
December 10, 2009
Posted by Jules Siegel
By Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Instead of Der Angriff and the Völkischer Beobachter we have FOX News
and World Net Daily. Instead of Joseph Goebbels and Alfred Rosenberg
we have Rupert Murdoch and Joseph Farah. These media outlets spout
anti- liberalism as vociferously and viciously as any NSDAP propa
ganda organ. Like the party ideologues noted above, they employ ad
hominem attacks in place of cogent analysis and prefer name- calling
to actual news.
Murdoch, Farah and their minions take street- fighting techniques
in front of minions through use of glossy modern technology.
Witness, for example, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh went on the
attacked Sen. Mary Landrieu (D- LA) for her stance on the healthcare
debate in the Senate. But they did not critique her position based
on its merits, and by offering a cogent counter- argument. Instead,
both called a female US senator a prostitute (The Rush Limbaugh
Show November 23 2009 and The Glenn Beck Program November 23,2009).
This sort of attack is commonplace and differs not at all from the
tactics used by the National Socialist Press in the 20’s and 30’s.
• Glenn Beck listed people he’d like to “beat to death with a
shovel.” In 2001, Beck enumerated the various people that he
“would want to kill with a shovel,” or “line up” and “shoot … in the
head,” including Rep. Charles Rangel (D- NY). (Glenn Beck Program,
3/ 9/ 01)
• The Republican Tea- Party mobs embrace this principle. Ideo
logical rhetoric backs it up: We see for example from Ann Coulter,
Vester: You say you’d rather not talk to liberals at all? Coulter:
I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days. (FOX
News Channel, DaySide with Linda Vester, 10/ 6)
• “Would you kill someone for that?…I’m thinking about killing
Michael Moore…I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire some
body to do it,… No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me
in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is
this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus — band — Do, and
I’ve lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say,
‘Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,’ and then I’d see the little band:
What Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, ‘Oh, you wouldn’t kill
Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.’ And you
know, well, I’m not sure.” (Glenn Beck Program, 5/ 17/ 05)
• Beck, joking about poisoning Nancy Pelosi: “So, Speaker Pelosi,
I just wanted to — you gonna drink your wine? Are you blind? Do those
eyes not work? There you — I want you to drink it now. Drink it. Drink
it. Drink it… By the way, I put poison in your —” (Glenn Beck Pro
gram, 8/ 6/ 09)
• Bill O’Reilly, of people who criticize him, The Radio Factor,
September 27, 2007: “You know, look, if I could strangle these peo
ple and not go to hell and get executed, I would, but I can’t.”
• Bill O’Reilly — radio show, Sept. 14, 2005: “I just wish Katrina
had only hit the United Nations building, nothing else, just had
flooded them out, and I wouldn’t have rescued them.”
• Rush Limbaugh October 20, 2009, The Rush Limbaugh Show: “This
guy from The New York Times, if he really thinks that humanity is
destroying the planet, humanity is destroying the climate, that
human beings in their natural existence are going to cause the
extinction of life on Earth — Andrew Revkin. Mr. Revkin, why don’t
you just go kill yourself and help the planet by dying?”
• Right Wing blogger Roger Erickson March 31, 2009: “At what point
do the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point do
they get off the couch, march down to their state legislator’s house,
pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?”
Part 2: Liberal/Jewish Media and Right Wing Propaganda. This is the
second installment of a detailed examination of the parallels between
the Nazi movement in Germany and the new Republican methodology since
the election of Obama. Also see parts 1, 3, 4, and 5.
Now that we’ve examined the street-level thuggery in Part One, let’s
look at some examples of how the Republican “elite” work.
NSDAP and GOP: Two Medias; One Tactic
Everyone is familiar by now with the Right-wing rhetoric concerning
the “liberal media elite.” Personal responsibility goes right out the
window if you can just blame the other guy for lying about you. Again
we see a striking similarity between the National Socialists and the
Republicans – fix blame, and then accuse them of controlling the
media. The two seem to go hand-in-hand.
“Barack Obama only won because the media favored him and unfairly
denigrated the abilities and accomplishments of John McCain and Sarah
Palin.” We’ve heard this before, of course. It probably won’t surprise
you to know where:
Hitler, July 5, 1942, “New agencies all the world over…are for the
most part in the hands of Jews.”1
If you substitute “liberal” for “Jew” you have the same language.
Again, the liberals, like the Jews, are guilty of “fabrications”:
Sarah Palin, June 3, 2009, Anchorage: Palin spoke of “the entrenched
bureaucrats and the elite self-proclaimed intellectuals, and the smug
lobbyists who dominate Washington, and the liberal media that is
imposing its will on Washington, embracing that status quo, that
business as usual…” 2
This is the same language Hitler used of the “Jewish intellectuals”
and communists who dominated Weimar government. As an aside, she was
displaying typical intellectual dishonesty by lifting much of her
speech from “an article written four years ago by Newt Gingrich and
Craig Shirley without attribution.”3
The Conservapedia echoes Hitler: “The Liberal media elite is the
clique of highly paid, left-leaning executives and journalists who
directly control most output of the main newspapers and broadcasting
organizations.”4
The media is in the hands of the Jews (communists)! The media is in
the hands of the liberals (communists)! I don’t have to make this
stuff up. This is like shooting ducks in a pond or fishing with a hand
grenade.
If that is not enough, surely you remember the Nazi (mis)use of the
press. The National Socialist media became an outlet not for news, but
for propaganda. There is the most famous newspaper owner of all,
Joseph Goebbels and his paper Der Angriff (The Attack – aptly named).
Then there is the Völkischer Beobachter (Folkish [Ethnic] Observer)
edited first by Dietrich Eckart, an infamous “Jew-baiter”, then by
crank-ideologist Alfred Rosenberg.
Today, media has moved on to television and the Internet. Instead of
Der Angriff and the Völkischer Beobachter we have FOX News and World
Net Daily. Instead of Joseph Goebbels and Alfred Rosenberg we have
Rupert Murdoch and Joseph Farah. These media outlets spout anti-
liberalism as vociferously and viciously as any NSDAP propaganda
organ. Like the party ideologues noted above, they employ ad hominem
attacks in place of cogent analysis and prefer name-calling to actual
news.
Murdoch, Farah and their minions take street-fighting techniques in
front of minions through use of glossy modern technology.
Witness, for example, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh went on the
attacked Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) for her stance on the healthcare
debate in the Senate. But they did not critique her position based on
its merits, and by offering a cogent counter-argument. Instead, both
called a female US senator a prostitute (The Rush Limbaugh Show
November 23 2009 and The Glenn Beck Program November 23,2009).
This sort of attack is commonplace and differs not at all from the
tactics used by the National Socialist Press in the 20’s and 30’s.
Vilification is the order of the day. Analysis of the facts, when it
takes place at all, comes in a distant second. As Media Matters for
America reports,
Under its president, Roger Ailes, Fox News routinely employs racially
charged appeals to foment opposition to the Obama administration and
other progressive figures, such as Glenn Beck’s comments that
President Obama is a “racist” and “has a deep-seated hatred for white
people or the white culture.” Before launching the Fox News Channel,
Ailes worked as a media consultant for several Republican campaigns
where evidence shows he similarly appealed to racial fears and biases
for political gain, and as executive producer for Rush Limbaugh’s
television show, during which Limbaugh made several controversial
statements.5
And of course, just as National Socialist ideologues and leaders
motivated the mob, so do Republican ideologues. As I noted above,
Republican objections are not generally issued as cogent and well-
thought-out rebuttals of liberal positions but as ad hominem attacks,
character assassinations, and even suggested violence. This is true
not only of the rank-and-file but of the leadership, the party
ideologues, as can be seen from the examples below.
• Glenn Beck listed people he’d like to “beat to death with a
shovel.” In 2001, Beck enumerated the various people that he “would
want to kill with a shovel,” or “line up” and “shoot … in the head,”
including Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY). (Glenn Beck Program, 3/9/01)
• The Republican Tea-Party mobs embrace this principle. Ideological
rhetoric backs it up: We see for example from Ann Coulter, Vester: You
say you’d rather not talk to liberals at all? Coulter: I think a
baseball bat is the most effective way these days. (FOX News Channel,
DaySide with Linda Vester, 10/6)
• “Would you kill someone for that?…I’m thinking about killing
Michael Moore…I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire
somebody to do it,… No, I think I could. I think he could be looking
me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is
this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus — band — Do, and
I’ve lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say,
‘Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,’ and then I’d see the little band: What
Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, ‘Oh, you wouldn’t kill Michael
Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.’ And you know,
well, I’m not sure.” (Glenn Beck Program, 5/17/05)
• Beck, joking about poisoning Nancy Pelosi: “So, Speaker Pelosi, I
just wanted to — you gonna drink your wine? Are you blind? Do those
eyes not work? There you — I want you to drink it now. Drink it. Drink
it. Drink it… By the way, I put poison in your —”
(Glenn Beck Program,
8/6/09)
• Bill O’Reilly, of people who criticize him, The Radio Factor,
September 27, 2007: “You know, look, if I could strangle these people
and not go to hell and get executed, I would, but I can’t.”
• Bill O’Reilly - radio show, Sept. 14, 2005: “I just wish Katrina
had only hit the United Nations building, nothing else, just had
flooded them out, and I wouldn’t have rescued them.”
• Rush Limbaugh October 20, 2009, The Rush Limbaugh Show: “This guy
from The New York Times, if he really thinks that humanity is
destroying the planet, humanity is destroying the climate, that human
beings in their natural existence are going to cause the extinction of
life on Earth — Andrew Revkin. Mr. Revkin, why don’t you just go kill
yourself and help the planet by dying?”
• Right Wing blogger Roger Erickson March 31, 2009: “At what point do
the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point do
they get off the couch, march down to their state legislator’s house,
pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?”
Sources:
1Adolf Hitler, Hitler’s Table Talk 1941-1944 tr. By Norman Cameron and
R.H. Stevens (New York 2000 [1953]), 561.
2The Conservative Book Service even has this offering: Matthew
Continetti , The Persecution of Sarah Palin: How the Elite Media Tried
to Bring Down a Rising Star (2009) which makes the case that, “Palin
was a strong and popular conservative with traditional values-work,
family, and religion-and Washington Democrats and their allies in the
so-called mainstream media decided she had to be destroyed. These
elite liberals attacked everything from Palin’s clothing to her
parenting style to her church. They spread one malicious and untrue
rumor after another…”
3Huffington Post, June 6, 2009
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-dunn/palin-plagiarizes-gingric_b_212228.html
4Consevapedia, http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal_media_elite
5Media Matters for America http://mediamatters.org/research/200910270001
6Fox News, Your World with Neal Cavuto, November 11, 2009.
7The Rush Limbaugh Show, April 1, 2005.
8Glenn Beck Program, April 27, 2006.
9The O’Reilly Factor, May 29, 2007.
10Hitler’s Table Talk, 47.
RHF
- the GOP, its not fascism when we do it:)Back to the ‘30s:how the GOP
- uses Nazi techniques to rally the mob:New agencies all the world
over
- are for the most part in the hands of Jews:If you substitute liberal
- for jew you have the same language
Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for The Jews and Blame Them
Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for The GOP and call them NAZIs
Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for Conservatives and call them NAZIs
Nn Ua - preach, Preach. PREACH That Hate !
peace and love ~ RHF
.
> ...
>
> read more »
Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for The Jews and Blame Them
Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for The GOP and call them NAZIs
Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for Conservatives and call them NAZIs
Nn Ua - preach, Preach. PREACH That Hate !
peace and love ~ RHF
.
.
Nickname unavailable
YOU TOOK A PAGE RIGHT OUT OF HITLERS HAND
BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Re: (OT) : 'Nickname Unavailable' Another Preacher of Hate . . ."
RHF
- ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-
- YOU TOOK A PAGE RIGHT OUT OF HITLERS HAND
- BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Odd that Quoting "Hitler" {Idolizing} seems
to be your thing : While decrying Fascism
and the NAZIs and railing against 'The Jews'
- "Re: (OT) : 'Nickname Unavailable' Another Preacher of Hate . . ."
-
- "And of course, just as National Socialist ideologues and leaders
- motivated the mob, so do Republican ideologues. As I noted above,
- Republican objections are not generally issued as cogent and well-
- thought-out rebuttals of liberal positions but as ad hominem
attacks,
- character assassinations, and even suggested violence. This is true
- not only of the rank-and-file but of the leadership"
'Nickname Unavailable' Another Preacher of Hate . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/fb9ef22e5b719128
Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for The Jews and Blame Them
Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for The GOP and call them NAZIs
Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for Conservatives and call them Fascist
Nn Ua - preach, Preach. PREACH That Hate !
may the 'god' of us all heal you of your hate
Nickname unavailable
> On Sep 1, 10:01 pm, Nickname unavailable <Vide...@tcq.net> wrote:
> - ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> -
> - YOU TOOK A PAGE RIGHT OUT OF HITLERS HAND
> - BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Odd that Quoting "Hitler" {Idolizing} seems
> to be your thing : While decrying Fascism
> and the NAZIs and railing against 'The Jews'
>
> - "Re: (OT) : 'Nickname Unavailable' Another Preacher of Hate . . ."
> -
> - "And of course, just as National Socialist ideologues and leaders
> - motivated the mob, so do Republican ideologues. As I noted above,
> - Republican objections are not generally issued as cogent and well-
> - thought-out rebuttals of liberal positions but as ad hominem
> attacks,
> - character assassinations, and even suggested violence. This is true
> - not only of the rank-and-file but of the leadership"
>
>
> Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for The Jews and Blame Them
>
> Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for The GOP and call them NAZIs
>
> Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for Conservatives and call them Fascist
>
> Nn Ua - preach, Preach. PREACH That Hate !
>
> may the 'god' of us all heal you of your hate
> peace and love ~ RHF
> .
> .
see you did it again.
> 'Nickname Unavailable' Another Preacher of Hate . . .http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/fb9ef22e5b719128
>
> Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for The Jews and Blame Them
>
i never did.
> Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for The GOP and call them NAZIs
>
its what they are, after all, you are using nazi tactics right now.
> Nn Ua - Preach That Hate for Conservatives and call them Fascist
>
if it walks like a duck, what is it?
> Nn Ua - preach, Preach. PREACH That Hate !
>
nazis use tactics like calling liberals fascists, which is impossible,
then when i point it out, you try to turn it on me.
> may the 'god' of us all heal you of your hate
> peace and love ~ RHF
> .
hitler was considered a good christian, just as you imagine yourself
to be.
see, you did it again.
these are your polices,
"And of course, just as National Socialist ideologues and leaders
motivated the mob, so do Republican ideologues. As I noted above,
Republican objections are not generally issued as cogent and well-
thought-out rebuttals of liberal positions but as ad hominem attacks,
character assassinations, and even suggested violence. This is true
Wexford
> On Aug 30, 3:05 pm, Wexford <wrya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 30, 5:06 pm, DEFCON 88 <DEFC0...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 30, 4:51 pm,Wexford<wrya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 29, 7:03 pm, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Lenin identified “Useful Idiots” as those who lived in liberal
> > > > > democracies and furthered the work of communism.
>
> > > > Uh.. just so you'll know, Lenin died almost -- There aren't any
> > > > Communists any more. Lenin's head would explode if saw the versions of
> > > > "Communism" now practiced in China, Vietnam and North Korea.
>
> > > No communists any more? How absurd. You sound like a useful idiot (as
> > > defined by Lenin).
>
> > Useful idiot? What are you? What is the whole "conservative" movement
> > in the United States? You're used by corporatist bureaucrats to their
> > own ends, you stupid sod.
>
> - THERE ARE NO COMMUNISTS.
>
> The Greatest Trick that the Devil achieved was
> to convince people that he did not exist.
> -hint- Replace 'Communism' for 'Devil'.
>
> - THE SOVIET UNION IS DEAD.
>
> But the legacy Communist Party is still an
> active political force within present day Russia.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpvwh292VKI
>
> - MAOISM IS DEAD.
>
> But Maoism {Chinese Communism} Lives On.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28WbSInXDPA
>
> - NO ONE SINGS THE INTERNATIONALE.
>
> Just cause they are not Singing 'The Internationale'
> Out Loud; does not mean that millions are not
>
> LOOK FOR ANOTHER HOBGOBLIN.
>
> No More Communists : Tell That To Fidel {Cuba}http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vydrfgz3weU
> -and- his protege Hugohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMKe6QVjT84
> .
>
> - Show quoted text -
And you find Cuba to be a threat?? Why are Conservatives such pansies?
Why are you afraid of a small island filled with very poor people that
possesses no resources? As for the rest, bullshit. If we have anything
to fear from the Russians or the Chinese, it stems from their
capitalists and industrial bureaucrats not their residue of remaining
communists. Dependence on foreign oil, something the Republicans and
"Conservatives" adamantly refuse to do anything about, is a much
clearer threat, economically and politically.
Topaz
"Fascism now throws the noxious theories of so-called Liberalism upon
the rubbish heap.
Fascism...does not hesitate to call itself illiberal and
anti-liberal." - Benito Mussolini
In 1923 Mussolini was asked by an Italian encyclopedia person to
define and explain the word "Fascism" for their new edition. He said
the key concepts of fascism were overt nationalism, and repudiation of
liberalism in all its forms.
http://www.ihr.org/ www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/
http://www.natvan.com http://www.nsm88.org
http://heretical.com/ http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/
Reverend Sun Myung Moon
> On Aug 29, 8:02 pm, "Clave" <claviusdes...@cablespeed.com> wrote:> "D. Peter Maus" <dpeterm...@att.net> wrote in messagenews:i5f6en$u8p$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > <...>
>
> > > National SOCIALIST German WORKERS' Party. Bolsheviks, with poor couture.
> > > And a taste for racial purity.
>
> > > implement the iron fist of tyrrany in the Name of The People.
>
>
> - believe China is a People's Republic too.
>
> "The People's Republic of China" (PRC)
> that what they call themselves . . .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China
>
Nazi Germany must have been socialist because Hitler said so and most
Republicans believed him. Republicans always trusted what Hitler
said. That's why they liked him so much in the day.
Being a Republic, Communist China has 1.6 billion Republicans. Then
there's Saddam's Republican Guards. They're obviously in league with
Bush, Sarah Palin, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.
East Germany was called the Democratic Republic of East Germany and
North Korea is called the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea. It
makes sense that if they refer to themselves as Democratic, they are
free nations who hold elections.
Where on the map is The Nation of Islam? It must be a country
because they say it's a nation.
---
“As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they
have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be
too much of a good thing”
- Karl Rove
RHF
wrote:
Reverend Sun Myung Moon,
Nice Whimp-Out in setting your Follow-ups to :
alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die, alt.flame.rednecks,
alt.christnet.second-coming.real-soon-now,
alt.horror.werewolves, alt.conspiracy.retards
-most-use- alt.idiots & alt.stupid.idiots & Idiots-R-Us
United States of America*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
* Federal Constitutional Presidential REPUBLIC
-so- Does this Automatically Make Each and
Every American a 'republican' ? {Small 'r'}
What Is a "Republic" ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic
The Peoples Retain Supreme Control Over
the Government : Voting and Elections
=WRT= The Pledge of Allegiance of the USA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States
is an Oath-of-Loyalty* to the USA's National Flag
and 'The Republic' of the United States of America.
* Wow - Now I know why so many Democrats refuse
to say : "The Pledge of Allegiance of the USA" and
Wh 'La Raza' wants it Banned in US Schools.
republically yours as an american ~ RHF
.
.
United States of America*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
* Federal Constitutional Presidential REPUBLIC
-so- Does Automatically Make Each and Every
American a Republican ?
What Is a "Republic" ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic
The Peoples Retain Supreme Control Over
the Government : Voting and Elections
=WRT= The Pledge of Allegiance of the USA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States
is an Oath-of-Loyalty to the USA's National Flag
and 'The Republic' of the United States of America.
republically yours as an american ~ RHF
.
.
RHF
The only 'threat' to the Freedom Loving Peoples
of Cuba is the Fidel Castro and the Castroites.
Nice Try at the the turn-around and reversal -but-
you don't win : Point-of-Fact : Cuba was provided
as an 'example' of a present day Communist State
that you claimed no longer existed. Add North Korea
and Vietnam to the List of Communist Government
that you claim do not exist . . . Communism is
Alive and as Sick and Evil as every for the Peoples
made to suffer under it's Brutal One Party Rule by
an Elite Political Cadre. ~ RHF
.
American Patriot
secret prisons, torture, domestic surveillance of American citizens,
and now, persecution of science. This should be clear to everyone now:
For the purpose of this perspective, consider the following regimes:
Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Franco's Spain, Salazar's Portugal,
Papadopoulos's Greece, Pinochet's Chile, and Suharto's Indonesia.
To be sure, they constitute a mixed bag of national identities,
cultures, developmental levels, and history. But they all
followed the fascist or protofascist model in obtaining, expanding,
and maintaining power. Further, all these regimes have been overthrown
so a more or less complete picture of their basic characteristics and
abuses is possible.
Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that
link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of
power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in
some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level
of similarity.
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the
prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins,
the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the
regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always
obvious.
Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were
common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled
with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves
viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the
objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the
population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by
marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was
egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most
significant common thread among these regimes was the use of
scapegoating as a means to divert the people's attention from other
problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in
controlled directions. The methods of choice---relentless propaganda
and disinformation---were usually effective. Often the regimes would
incite "spontaneous" acts against the target scapegoats, usually
communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities,
traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists,
homosexuals, and "terrorists." Active opponents of these regimes were
inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always
identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure
that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was
allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The
military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever
possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and
increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.
5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and
the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably
viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion
and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in
Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of
the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.
6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media
were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray
from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure
media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to
resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats.
The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the
power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public
unaware of the regimes' excesses.
7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security
apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually
an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any
constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting
"national security," and questioning its activities was portrayed as
unpatriotic or even treasonous.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes,
the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless
by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves
to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray
themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the
ruling elite's behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the
religion was generally swept under the rug.
Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders
of the faith and opponents of the "godless." A perception was
manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an
attack on religion.
9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of
ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large
corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The
ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure
military production (in developed states), but also as an additional
means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often
pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of
interests, especially in the repression of "have-not" citizens.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was
seen as the one power center that could challenge the political
hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was
inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass,
viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes,
being poor was considered akin to a vice.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals
and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them
were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were
considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal.
Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty
harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were
strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and
literature should serve the national interest or they had no right
to exist.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes
maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison
populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked
power, leading to rampant abuse. "Normal" and political crime were often
merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against
political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or
"traitors" was often promoted among the population as an excuse for
more police power.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and
close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves.
This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive
financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would
gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite
were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well:
for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security
apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was
largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.
14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public
opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates
were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the
desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the
election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters,
destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning
to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.
Does any of this ring alarm bells? It should.
If not already committed, the above has been demonstrated to be desirable
by America's Neocon right.
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com>
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Reverend Sun Myung Moon <igorelaria...@ymail.com> wrote:
> TO: Reverend Sun Myung Moon:
>
> Nice Whimp-Out in setting your Follow-ups to :
> alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die, alt.flame.rednecks,
> alt.christnet.second-coming.real-soon-now,
> alt.horror.werewolves, alt.conspiracy.retards
Making Moon a DISHONEST schmuck.
So much for HIS credibility!
> -most-use- alt.idiots & alt.stupid.idiots & Idiots-R-Us
He probably lacked the intelligence to type all of that
out correctly. He must be pretty SENILE by now, anyway.
In direct proportion the his followers being social retards.
[ ... ]
>> “As people do better, they start voting like Republicans --
>> unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
>> which proves there can be too much of a good thing”
>> - Karl Rove
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••
"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)
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RHF
> > Reverend Sun Myung Moon <igorelaria...@ymail.com> wrote:
> > TO: Reverend Sun Myung Moon:
>
> > Nice Whimp-Out in setting your Follow-ups to :
> > alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die, alt.flame.rednecks,
> > alt.christnet.second-coming.real-soon-now,
> > alt.horror.werewolves, alt.conspiracy.retards
>
> Making Moon a DISHONEST schmuck.
>
> So much for HIS credibility!
>
> > -most-use- alt.idiots & alt.stupid.idiots & Idiots-R-Us
>
> He probably lacked the intelligence to type all of that
> out correctly.
- He must be pretty SENILE by now, anyway.
"CC" - Speaking of "senile' : how you been doing . . .
pal ~ RHF
>
> In direct proportion the his followers being social retards.
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >> “As people do better, they start voting like Republicans --
> >> unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
> >> which proves there can be too much of a good thing”
> >> - Karl Rove
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> ••• Rest in Peace •••
> ••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
> ••• A True American HERO! •••
> ••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
> ••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••
>
> "He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
> died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
> or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
> risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> -- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from websites below.)
>
> http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rightshttp://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotryhttp://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!
dave
>
> United States of America*
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
> * Federal Constitutional Presidential REPUBLIC
> -so- Does Automatically Make Each and Every
> American a Republican ?
>
> What Is a "Republic" ?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic
> The Peoples Retain Supreme Control Over
> the Government : Voting and Elections
>
The Pledge of Allegiance is bogus. I have a little piece of dirt I will
fight for, not some bogus rah-rah-rah.
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org>
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com> wrote:
>> RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> Reverend Sun Myung Moon <igorelaria...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>> TO: Reverend Sun Myung Moon:
>>> Nice Whimp-Out in setting your Follow-ups to :
>>> alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die, alt.flame.rednecks,
>>> alt.christnet.second-coming.real-soon-now,
>>> alt.horror.werewolves, alt.conspiracy.retards
>> Making Moon a DISHONEST schmuck.
>>
>> So much for HIS credibility!
>>> -most-use- alt.idiots & alt.stupid.idiots & Idiots-R-Us
>> He probably lacked the intelligence to type all of that
>> out correctly.
>>
>> He must be pretty SENILE by now, anyway.
> Speaking of "senile,' how you been doing?
Just fine! And if I'm still as astute as my parents still were
by the time they died, I will be exposing and undermining the
hate-agendas of bigots for DECADES to come, yet. Plural.
Hopefully, well before then, all the agendas of such abject
LOSERS as the RRR Cultists will have been EXTINCT for many
years by then.