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Brad Guth

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Aug 27, 2010, 9:17:24 AM8/27/10

Attention all K-12s: Finding Waldo on Venus is easier said than done,
but otherwise finding a substantial tarmac plus large scale
infrastructure is really easy.

This "IrfanView" utility is somewhat like being digital image potty
trained, as well as being having been 5th grader approved and thus as
good as any LeapFrog pop-up book can deliver. Not that any number of
equal or better digital image methods for enlarging haven’t existed as
is, but here's yet another old one that has been perked up so that not
even a 5th grader is necessary to operate it. If you can click your
mouse or one finger type with a keyboard, that's all the image
processing expertise you'll ever need.
IrfanView
http://www.irfanview.com/

PhotoZoom Pro (mac and pc)
http://www.benvista.com/main/content/content.php?page=downloads

The original GIF image file:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif

If you’d care to first crop out and save the most interesting 10%
portion at 1:1, as I've previously instructed (gives roughly a 64 k
image file), whereas the automated enlargement process runs ten fold
faster, and perhaps another ten fold faster yet if using XP instead of
Windows 7 (but that's not my fault).
Of course Apple/MAC users are not without as good or better
alternatives (PhotoZoom). However, this radar obtained image is just a
basic monochrome file of 651 k, of not all that many pixels to begin
with. So, a 10x enlargement is going to be relatively efficient and
otherwise simplified, in that not even a 5th grader is required.

Virtually all digital cameras and photo printers of any significance
come packaged with a basic photo resizing/enlarging and their
automatic zoom filtering utility for delivering sufficient image
enlargement results. Commercially or via government agencies should
have better zoom/enlarge or resampling results that are certainly
available to those with either the necessary loot or having inside
connections for using such.

Start looking for our Venusian Waldo somewhere near that complex
tarmac, or perhaps he/she is near that large clover shaped reservoir
that’s connected to that other reservoir, or how about near the
natural fluid arch if not around that impressive bridge or nearby any
number of other large scale infrastructure (including those
rectangular rock quarry sites situated just north of that bridge).
There’s at least 5 gold stars plus a million points and your name
given full credits for finding Waldo. (K-12 team/class efforts are
allowed, because there’s lots of observationology credit to go around)

Do your own image enlargement and post a link.

Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj

Brad Guth

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Sep 1, 2010, 1:08:12 PM9/1/10

Though intelligent other life that likely does exist/coexist on planet
2 (Venus), none the less it remains rather taboo/nondisclosure rated
by our NASA and their devout army of brown-nosed minions that are
mostly public funded, but none the less you and others can still see
for yourself.

"Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1"
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif

Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html

If you simply can’t manage to do the most basic zoom-in, image crop
and turning off or excluding the color format because there is no
actual color within any SAR obtained image to begin with, much less do
the PhotoShop or whatever digital enlargements w/(unsharp mask)
filters, don’t worry yourself because, it seems 99.9% of Usenet still
can’t tie their own shoelaces or much less perform the most basic
digital photographic tasks. If need be, I'll gladly provide those
digital enlargements that can always be peer replicated to whatever
extent makes you a happy camper.

Many here in Usenet/newsgroups have obviously gotten themselves caught
with their mainstream pants down and even having broke wind with their
usual intellectual mainstream spew of scientific bigotry that’s
showing us its ugly closed mindset of perpetual naysay, denial and
evidence exclusion (aka obfuscation). Though in spite of such an
apparent lack of common knowledge, along with their usual obfuscation
and seeming inability to accomplish a basic web search for much of
anything without benefit of their LeapFrog and faith-based filtered
browser that’s also kept politically correct, how about the rest of us
start sharing a positive/constructive technological thought or two,
such as on behalf of deductively consider intelligent ETs (meaning us
humans if you like) accomplishing Venus, perhaps even towards sharing
a little something like our William Mook (aka willie.moo) recently
contributed within another topic “Is it this easy to live on Earth?”
that’s closely related to Venus.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/f618c4f91e8e77d4

Atmospheric diatoms or simply spores? (not exactly impossible)
A discovery of Venus atmospheric microbes, spores or diatoms would
certainly be nice, however, you really do not require surface and/or
any upper atmosphere accommodated realm of diatoms, or for that matter
any viable microbes or spores of complex local DNA for a given planet
or moon environment to accommodate intelligent other life, even if
it’s only as marginally intelligent and/or as totally dumbfounded and
so often colorblind as we humans.

Supposedly our physically dark moon that’s naked to the tune of the
3e-15 bar, that represents a lunar environment continually surrounded
by a highly charged atmosphere of hot sodium, plus most everything
else about our moon/Selene being highly electrostatic charged and
otherwise fully reactive as that raw exposed surface of complex
mineral density actually is, of which by day or night is saturated in
cosmic plus local recoil gamma, and by day getting its IR roasted
surface extra saturated in those solar soft to hard X-rays, plus
receiving loads of CME plasma and otherwise representing itself as
every bit as bad if not somewhat worse off than any nasty portion of
what our Van Allan magnetosphere badlands has to offer, and yet in
spite of such daunting negative odds, it supposedly had intelligent
life walking and driving about on its clumping dust covered surface
(namely Apollo astronauts), as though it was exactly like a certain
terrestrial monochromatic guano island that was entirely passive,
extensively offering an albedo of 0.65 < 0.75 as though it were merely
a xenon arc-lamp spectrum of illumination and otherwise even
relatively UV inert (meaning that nothing natural or artificial gave
off any of those expected secondary/recoil photons that their
unfiltered Kodak film by rights should have recorded.

What this proves to some of us is that apparently the regular laws of
physics do not necessarily apply to off-world applications. So, how
technically hard or otherwise insurmountable could Venus really be?
Especially if the regular laws of physics do not apply, as they
obviously didn’t apply on behalf of those having “the right stuff”
that supposedly accomplished our Selene/moon without their having
traumatized hardly a single strand of their DNA or spoiling any mm2 of
all that unfiltered Kodak film.

On behalf of Venus oxygen and what’s otherwise so geothermal of a
newish kind of planetology environment, I’ve added some basic search
information that even a smart preschool child could probably
accomplish on their little green $100 laptop.

Planet 2 (Venus) would likely represent a tough crowd for any stand up
comedian, although it’s most certainly not technically an
insurmountable environment unless you had a mainstream status quo
dysfunctional mindset of perpetual denial and otherwise of evidence
exclusion (scientific intellectual form of obfuscation being the same
as treasonous persons taking the fifth).

Try a LeapFrog Search: Venus oxygen or Venus volcanoes
http://images.google.com/images?q=venus%20oxygen&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Venus Express Searches For Life On Earth
http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1584729/venus_express_searches_for_life_on_earth/index.html
“We see water and molecular oxygen in Earth’s atmosphere, but Venus
also shows these signatures.”

http://jtintle.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/zoom-in-on-venus%e2%80%99-oxygen-airglow/
Zoom-in on Venus’ oxygen airglow

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=af&u=http://kosmofysis.com/af/universo/sistema-solare/444-dove-e-andata-lacqua-di-venere.html&ei=ckl-TNfRJ4j6sAOV4c2VCw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCkQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522%2Bvan%2Bwater%2Bop%2BVenus%2522%26num%3D20%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3Drx7%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Db
“Despite the low concentration of water on Venus, so fetch and
colleagues found that the day side of the planet loses water molecules
2e24 hydrogen nuclei (one of the two atoms of H2O ) per second.”

"We can keep the water escape from the night side of Venus. But the
question remains: How much of this water is in the past have lost
because of this phenomenon?" Says Stas Barabash, the Swedish Institute
of Space Physics in Kiruna and Principal Investigator (PI) of ASPERA's
observation that worked on the night side of Venus.”

http://venus-express-news.newslib.com/story/6016-3173344/
“These results from Venus Express demonstrate that the heavier water
containing deuterium has not been able to escape Venus’s gravity as
easily as normal H2O. This enrichment of heavy water provides strong
evidence that water loss is occurring in the upper atmosphere and that
Venus was probably more humid and Earth-like in the distant past,”
said Dr Emmanuel Marcq of the LATMOS laboratory in France.”

The free h2o that isn’t locked up as sulphuric acid is only worth
25<50 ppm. However, that volume and subsequent tonnage of acidic
water isn’t exactly insignificant. Of course the sulphuric acid can
always be easily enough vacuum distilled in order to separate and
extract the h2o portion.

The published topics of old and new research goes on and on, though
probably not provided in a sufficient LeapFrog or pop-up format for
the mentally disadvantaged or dysfunctional format for all the sight
and mind impaired likes of Painius and countless others suffering from
a common genetic faith-based and/or politically correct disorder of
incurable denial, naysayism and obfuscation. I believe the Venus O2
science goes way back nearly a couple of decades, to those having used
narrow bandpass optical filters, but having never got anything
mainstream published until more recently. Even though this Venus O2
layer is situated well above the bulk of those acidic clouds, at least
this means that it’s the oxygen and now the hydrogen that makes good
old water, that is in fact the emerging science that concludes such
elements are those derived from the planet to start off with.

Btw, not to so easily discounted are those robust and fairly acidic
clouds that would easily provide teratonnes of pure h2o, as well as
subsequently offering nearly unlimited amounts of o2, h2 and of all
other things nifty could include the makings of h2o2. Any good 5th
grade science class project would likely prove sufficient for this
kind of deductive reasoning.

http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/project/virtis/venus-vol.html
“There are some 55,000 volcanoes larger than 1 km across identified
on Venus, spread over 646 volcano fields.”

http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/volcanoes/planet_volcano/venus/intro.html
“Venus has more volcanoes than any other planet in the solar system.
Over 1600 major volcanoes or volcanic features are known (see map),
and there are many, many more smaller volcanoes. (No one has yet
counted them all, but the total number may be over 100,000 or even
over 1,000,000).”

http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf
Geothermal CO2+S8 gas vents, as this author interpreted within “An
Alternate View of Venus” by John Ackerman, whereas by rights should
have given enough cause for those interested in learning the truth, to
at least re-explore and deductively interpret the possibilities of
such a nearby planet that’s still by far the most early Earth like of
anything discovered to date.

Would any of you folks care to review and offer your best swag as to
what is creating my Guth Venus "fluid arch", or is this seemingly
natural item still too closely associated with the Guth Venus township
or ET outpost of all those fairly large and complex structures along
with that fairly major and complex shaped tarmac, as an intelligent
infrastructure situated within a mountainous terrain and yet perfectly
rational looking community?

At least the relatively inexpensive JAXA Planet-C mission is off to a
good start, so in the very near future there’s going to be more
science and a subsequent better understanding as to that composite
atmosphere and its thermodynamics that’s mostly geology related. Our
DARPA and NASA has had SAR imaging capability of meter resolution, but
there's still no motivation for utilizing our existing bought and paid
for technology on the planet Venus, so for the moment we simply have
to do without.

Brad Guth

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Sep 2, 2010, 1:03:21 PM9/2/10

On Aug 27, 6:17 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Believe it or not, our government as a whole doesn't always tell us
the whole truth and nothing but the truth, whereas instead we’ve all
been to some extent systematically mainstream indoctrinated by and/or
manipulated our peers as to what supposedly makes that planet Venus so
unusually hot and nasty, but oddly we’ve not been informed of all the
alternatives or the remainders of what should have also been
considered and realized about the nearest planet that’s also by far
the most similar to early Earth.

To start with, most of you have no technical expertise or other
educated idea as to what a radar obtained (SAR) image represents, much
less capable of interpreting it as anything but another one of NASA’s
colorblind examples where you can’t possibly tell a diamond from a
chunk of coal, gold from mud or most any visible color from another.
In fact minerals or deposits of most any sort simply can’t be
deductively extrapolated from looking at a monochrome image
(especially where the lighting and shadows are always such variables),
whereas a radar obtained image you can at least interpret the density
and/or the composite substance that’s represented by each pixel, which
in the case of Venus can be offered as a GIF pixel of 36 confirming
looks or scans which provides by far the least distorted as well as
the most trustworthy and thus truthworthy values.

Here in Google Groups and throughout Usenet/newsgroups are mostly
public funded peers as faith-based and politically correct parrots
(including the most devout Semites cloaked as pretend-Atheists), as
well as we always have the usual gauntlet of their brown-nosed minions
as parrots, clowns and special interest cabals of insiders looking for
intelligent other life or essentially any form of other life in pretty
much all the wrong places, as though only the most wet Eden like
planets should qualify. As of lately these devout mainstream parrots
and their fellowship of minions seem to like promoting their inert
eyecandy best of all, and the further away from us the better, because
that's not representing or imposing any social/political or faith-
based threats to their mainstream past, present or future mindset of
tactical obfuscation that so often has to topic/author stalk and post
their replies as mostly limited to a few Google Usenet newsgroups,
bashing away as though alt.astronomy and other public unmoderated
newsgroups shouldn’t have existed in the first place.

Imagine if an exoplanet exactly like Venus were just discovered, and
then to consider what biological evolution possibilities knowing
something of how complex robust life can manage to evolve and/or adapt
to extreme environments that would otherwise kill off a human species
within seconds if not sooner, and yet with applied physics and a
moderate level of technology it’s worth noting that we too could
easily explore and even eventually adapt to surviving within such
potentially lethal environments (similar to those on Earth where it
takes a good deal of physics and our best technology in order that we
survive and function.

Further imagine what a truly advanced species of humanoids or whatever
intelligent complex species could manage to accomplish, especially if
they didn't have bogus wars and faith-based voodoo or those special
interest cabals of such greed, hording and corruption holding them
back. Can you imagine how retarded such ETs would be if their mostly
public funded patent infringements were always strictly forbidden.
(perhaps anything receiving more than 33% public funding should be
made available to anyone that’s a valid taxpayer or even a consumer,
and of those taking less than 33% should be prorated because it’s
pretty much near impossible for to accomplish a better technology or
science advancement without having involved some degree of public
infrastructure and thus public investment, but then such a policy
would only have advanced us by at least a thousand years and few if
any nations in debt because most of our problems would have been
resolved.

Wherever good robotics can manage to survive (from environments of
extreme pressures, temperatures and that of lethal radiation and
absolute vacuum), it's entirely possible for those same levels of
advanced technology and applied expertise to accommodate us humans,
and/or whatever ET intelligent other life really shouldn’t be all that
insurmountable, and it's always going to be a whole lot easier if
there's an unlimited local cache of energy to draw upon, as well as
ample supplies of local minerals plus water, of which this planet
Venus offers more than a sufficient amount of raw minerals plus loads
of h2o to spare as long as we’re allowed to consider the acidic water
that’s contained within them thick clouds and whatever is being
geothermally forced out of the planet as usable.

ESA’s Venus EXPRESS and the latest JAXA “PLANET C” are each missions
intended to better explain why such a nearby (100x LD) planet that’s
supposedly as old as Earth is still so geologically active and
otherwise full of mineral and chemical surprises, that includes a
great deal of those interior vapors with water and otherwise unlimited
local renewable energy that isn’t based on hydrocarbons or the usual
forms of combustion.

This isn’t my saying that each and every hot or cold planet and/or
whatever moon is going to become humanly accessible and livable, much
less in the buff as the case with Eden/Earth once that last ice age
had taken place and of course those pesky and always hungry dinosaurs
had previously all became extinct for reasons yet unknown. Before
this Eden of ours became human populated, there was an extremely nifty
composite of a life thriving and sustaining planet with a rather heavy
amount of dense atmosphere, sustaining an environment that was
saturated with complex and often larger forms of life (mostly other
than anything humanoid) that at the time we few if any humans may have
amounted to a mass of something less than 1 ppb (whereas today our
global biodiversity mass amounts to roughly 1 ppm) and back then w/o
moon and having only limited seasons along with those rather
substantial ice ages and subsequent tropical periods plus loads of
nasty weather extremes and those horrific floods in between those ice-
age cycles, as there was no spectacular moon and no significant
seasonal tilt, because otherwise us frail humans that were rather
poorly evolved for surviving this planet would have needed to
seasonally migrate along with other species, as well as further
complicated because there were only so many caves and some of those
would have been inhabited by those mean and hungry animals that
wouldn’t have taken kindly to sharing their cozy habitats with such
primitive humans.

This simply means, that even for an evolving planet or moon that’s
either too cold or too hot and nasty can manage to sustain complex
other life, and perhaps even evolved enough to create substantial
infrastructure that we can easily interpret from SAR imaging of their
planet or moon. If ETs had perfected a form of directed panspermia,
there’s simply no telling how many planets and moons were given a
better than random happenstance shot at hosting complex life
(including Eden/Earth).

Brad Guth

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Sep 2, 2010, 10:39:11 PM9/2/10

On Aug 27, 6:17 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

It’s all about focus, focus, focus:
At least I still know what's worth doing, and obviously most of you
folks don't hardly know squat and probably don’t really want to know,
and/or you are simply too deathly afraid of your own shadow to so much
as make any move on your own. Most of you still think our moon is
inert, a monochromatic terrain of light grays and otherwise not the
least bit radioactive nor even electrostatic charged or hardly the
least bit UV reactive, but otherwise you really like all those media
hyped eyecandy pictures of most everything else that’s far away, to go
right along with your Corexit Happy Meals that only Monsanto knows
what they’re really made of.

Observationology is a deductive kind of science that's easily
replicated and peer verified, and yet so few of us have sufficient
expertise outside of us having supposedly spotted all of those Muslim
WMD. I guess if there’s a population of starvation and abject poverty
compared to us, and having a perpetual caste system of faith-based
voodoo are thereby qualified as Muslim WMD, then lots of those
existed, as they still do if not worse than ever.

For a fraction of the mutually perpetrated cold-war investments that
created 9/11 and its subsequent global anti-terrorism war with
terrific logistics and government expansion cost that isn’t over until
long after the GOP fat lady sings, we could easily have been to Venus
and back multiple times by now. But then lots of other science,
physics and biotechnology advancements could also have been
accomplished with time and loot to spare, including a terrific
infrastructure of clean/renewable energy independence, along with
accomplishing a two fold energy grid capacity improvement and
expansion to boot, right along with our accomplishing the planet Venus
just for fun.

Brad Guth

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Sep 3, 2010, 12:21:01 AM9/3/10

On Aug 27, 6:17 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

As far as we know there’s no two planets, moons or stars exactly
alike, meaning that our universe and local galaxy is infinitely
diverse and perhaps incapable of exactly replicating itself, plus our
galaxy is also made up of much older stuff from other galaxies that
merged with ours. So why bother looking for another Eden like planet
when the local and cosmic diversity has so much other to offer, as
even within our solar system.

Even though there's an extremely thick and acidic layer of those dense
clouds surrounding 100% of Venus (containing loads of water
extensively in the form of sulphuric acid), whereas far enough under
those wet acidic clouds there's a relatively clear and calm atmosphere
giving a good view of a geothermally active planet with a relatively
dry but always toasty surface of various exposed minerals as depicted
by those sulphur-yellowish filtered photons.

Unlike Venus and most every other planet or moon, apparently our NASA/
Apollo approved moon is uniquely monochromatic and otherwise entirely
inert, even by their LRO mission seems colorblind. Go figure how we
got stuck with such a worthless light gray kind of moon (just
kidding), as I have located multiple color/hue saturated and contrasty
images of our physically dark moon/Selene that'll make anyone with
half a brain wonder why our NASA and their Apollo wizards with all
that “right stuff” were always so mineralogy colorblind.

A little extra side storyline about our moon:
White (the visible color we see as our moon) is supposedly a composite
of all colors combined, and so why is our NASA and their peers still
so color-blinded by all that physically dark mineral reflected white
light of our unavoidably UV reactive moon/Selene?
http://www.coronaborealis.org/images/full_moon_color.png
http://www.rc-astro.com/photo/id1018.html
Lo and behold, it seems there are dozens if not hundreds of others as
offering equally color/hue saturated images, telling us what kinds of
minerals are to be found on that naked, dusty and electrostatic
charged surface that’s also relatively eroded and radioactive as well
as unavoidably cosmic and solar particle saturated exactly like the
worse of whatever our nasty magnetosphere has to offer, that which our
ISS orbit must avoid the SAA contour at all cost.

Imagine how much better quality and color/hue saturation when obtained
from a close orbit and using spendy optics as well as the best camera
technology that offers loads of better than human spectrum and dynamic
range to spare. Here again our NASA images are without other stars
and even without other planets in each of their FOVs, and yet amateurs
with inferior cameras, using less quality optics and stuck with having
the atmosphere of Earth in the way, seem to have recorded a few other
stars and especially other planets along with our physically dark moon
that’s actually quite colorful. The planet Venus isn’t exactly dim
nor all that far away, especially every 19 months when it gets to
within 100 LD.

Back to Venus:
With JAXA's Planet-C mission well on it's way towards Venus as
outfitted with better observation instruments, whereas their local
team of expertise should uncover important data that our NASA and
those Magellan mission wizards just couldn't figure out to save their
souls. Even the existing ESA Venus Express mission seems unable to
interpret or share much of anything that might upset the mainstream
old guard status-quo, that'll keep insisting that Venus is every bit
as old as Earth and otherwise only greenhouse heated because Venus is
supposed to be as solidified as Mercury, Earth and Mars, as well as
having been without a moon.

I on the other hand believe there’s perfectly good reasons for that
robust atmosphere and those acidic clouds that represent at least 500
teratonnes of water, plus the 20.5 w/m2 that’s radiating from its
geothermally heated surface, as well as having those unusual pixel
patterns of what easily interprets as suggesting a considerable level
of intelligent infrastructure.

Brad Guth

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Sep 3, 2010, 4:32:45 PM9/3/10

On Aug 27, 6:17 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why shouldn’t there be water just about everywhere? In the case of
our trusty moon/Selene it has to be mostly contained inside and within
that thick and robust basalt crust, and otherwise with Mars it has to
be either underground or covered by a sufficiently thick layer of dry-
ice, and then on Venus it’s geothermally ejected and rather nicely
held within them acidic clouds.

Too bad we can’t directly encounter anything pertaining to the Sirius
star system, or even the planet Venus that remains as mainstream
voodoo taboo (worse than our moon). Perhaps it’s because of those two
items being so nearby and my having discovered what Venus has to
offer, plus always that other pesky matter of our moving towards
Sirius at 7.6+ km/sec and picking up speed, is just too gosh darn
upsetting to those in charge of sustaining their public funded
mainstream status-quo ruse, that includes terrific benefits and
lifetime jobs plus COL insurance even though most everyone else is
suffering like never before.

Much closer to home and far more important than such interesting
distant stuff that’ll never interact with us or even our galaxy, is
the Sirius star/solar system that’s sort of packing heat (especially
vibrant and hot when those nearby stars first started out).

There’s a pretty darn good chance that the molecular cloud that gave
birth to those nearby Sirius stars was worth at the very least 100
light years diameter (though <500 ly seems entirely possible) of which
puts our solar system somewhere within that original cloud at the time
when those truly impressive stars with a combined initial mass of
<12.5 Ms(2.5e31 kg) were being created. This molecular cloud may
have been something contributed by a galactic merger or interaction
which likely involved any number of other rogue items, not to mention
the various gravitational tidal forces that should have easily skewed
or perturbed local stars and other items (including our solar
system). As those new stars emerged they did so with enough ignition
spunk as to be giving those terrific solar winds (<3000 km/sec) in
order to sufficiently blow away the vast bulk of that molecular cloud,
and once again our preexisting solar system simply had to have been
caught within that impressive molecular outflow (perhaps noticed as
recently as 260 million years ago).

Secondly, within a few million some odd years of those new stars
lighting up by way of hydrogen fusion, there should have been any
number of planets created and associated with at least the larger star
(Sirius B) that was seriously consuming itself and otherwise tossing
off tremendous mass (roughly 1.2e12 tonnes/sec for 200 million years),
and much of that time shining like a million suns that could have been
nearby enough to have illuminated our nighttime as good or better than
full moon light (especially vibrant in the UV spectrum) before turning
itself into a red supergiant and then into a white dwarf after a few
gasping death cycles, and continually losing its tidal radii grip on
whatever planets.

Yes, there’s also cosmic water and various composites that’ll include
water, that should be relatively common place on local and exoplanets,
mostly because hydrogen and oxygen are each fairly common elements
(especially upon or within newish planets that have a solidified crust
and haven’t been traumatized to death by their sun or otherwise nailed
by too many asteroids). Red and brown dwarfs also shouldn’t be all
that uncommon, as well as their having viable wet planets that could
host complex other life. A planet having at least one substantial
moon is yet another way of insuring there’s water being made available
instead of mostly kept inside or as surface ice or otherwise having
next to nothing (like Mars or that of our crystal dry moon/Selene are
not exactly wet locations).

Of course others here that have nothing constructive of their own
expertise or interpretations to offer are just going to continually
parrot the usual mainstream published data, as though it were the word
of their Zionist approved God that supposedly created everything just
for them. Meanwhile there’s so much better science that’s coming in
as new and improved data about other stars and exoplanets, that it’s
really hard for some of us to stick with those Old Testament qualified
interpretations that seem to parallel the GOP mindset of Muslims
having WMD, when in fact they only had more than their fair share of
oil that would have made them all very wealthy if it weren’t for the
rest of us infidels butting in.

~ BG

Brad Guth

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Sep 3, 2010, 6:47:45 PM9/3/10

On Aug 27, 6:17 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry folks, but those are not dry dust clouds of sulfur and other
crystals surrounding Venus.

If our moon is supposedly loaded with <37e12 tonnes of water (as based
upon 50 ppm), then by all means a super terrific nearby planet like
Venus is not going to be h2o deficient, or much less short of most any
other elements. Those acidic layers of thick clouds and haze (roughly
30 km worth, or 1.4e19 m3) might easily contain anywhere from 500e12
<5000e12 tonnes of water, and always remember that most if not
essentially all of that water came from within the planet that’s still
geologically and geothermally venting and otherwise radiating its core
energy at 20.5 w/m2.

Below those thick clouds my be less than 25 teratonnes of free h2o
above the hot surface, which in that toasty environment is next to
nothing.

Perhaps Venus (? Sirius C or at least once a planet of Sirius B?) is
only a couple hundred and some odd million years old. At least that
would account for why it’s so proto-Earth like.

Stars like those of Sirius tend to fire-up in a relative flash and
settle into their main sequence of consuming and CME tossing their
mass right off the bat (Sirius B losing 1.2e12 tonnes/sec), as well as
forming their planets within no more than a few million years.. We're
looking at roughly a million years worth at most for that sort of
emerging stellar start-up or fusion flare-up process of Sirius(B) that
may have taken place <264 million years ago, as perhaps more than
likely a few thousand or conceivably even a few hundred years might
have been the sufficient initial gravity sequence for such a massive
molecular cloud to collapse and spawn such stars, especially if there
were sufficient gravity seed to begin with.

In other words, for pretty much the same reason Sirius(A) is so
freaking bright (as well as Sirius(B) having previously gone through
its red supergiant phase and helium flashover or soft-nova to boot),
there simply was no passive dim sun for any billion initial years so
that our Venus could have been a wet Eden like environment. If
anything, for a while our sun had likely been extra big (<2.5e30 kg at
first) and subsequently active enough to help keep Mars thawed out.

Once that stellar making gravity takes hold and starts to compress all
of those molecular hydrogen and helium atoms into becoming a bonafide
star, it is not likely as slow or soft fusion ignition sequence as you
might think, and especially not if there was ever a gravity seed to
start with when that terrific molecular cloud showed up.

Our own original molecular cloud may have been worth 2e33<2e36 kg, and
most of it (<99.9999%) has to be still out there because, 0.1 c is
about as fast as such molecular clouds can move or expand away from a
slow-nova or stellar fusion start-up. This means its outer most shell
or furthest shockwave radius is only at most 450 million years out,
although I might also believe it has only managed as little expansion
as 45 million years out because, 1% c is also a reasonably good
velocity for dispersing such molecular mass.

For this same deductive reasoning, that Sirius molecular cloud of
considerably greater initial mass (<2.5e37 kg) should still be within
as little as 2 million light years out, a fraction of the distance
modern telescopes record molecular cloud details and cosmic molecular
interactions on a regular basis. So, I believe can we safely suggest
that a good portion of our mainstream accepted physics on behalf of
stellar creation is at least somewhat bogus, if not dysfunctional.

How much of the CMB is actually that of whatever created the Sirius
star system?

Other strange food for thought: Isn’t it the least bit conceivable
that our sun was once Sirius(C)? (otherwise, why are we headed back
towards Sirius?)

Pardon this little Sirius diversion. I’ll try to focus this topic on
the planet Venus, but I just thought that Sirius is just as important
to Venus as it is to us.

~ BG

Brad Guth

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Sep 3, 2010, 8:26:49 PM9/3/10

Is cloud water not the same as planet water?

From 35 km to 65 km or 40 to 70 km is a considerable 30 km worth of
dense clouds and upper/lower haze, that together represents a rather
significant volume (1.4e19 m3), and subsequent potential wet mass
that's surrounding the planet Venus. Where did that unusual mass come
from, and why hasn’t it been blown away by those solar winds?

Even at a conservative average of 1 kg/m3 = 1.4e16 tonnes of ideal
gasses or something (including S8/sulfur) that is always within them
clouds..

Within a toasty atmosphere that’s mostly CO2 and working with 90%
gravity, if those acidic molecules of which water supersaturation were
just 33% of those other ideal gasses/vapors, perhaps h2o becomes worth
4.62e15 tonnes.

Earth’s wussy atmosphere that’s roughly 1% as dense, much colder and
having 10% greater gravity than Venus, still manages to hold 50<100
teratonnes of water. As our global warming trend continues to thaw
glacial ice and otherwise evaporates surface water at an ever
increasing rate, that ideal gas/vapor density of water at 1%
saturation should eventually exceed 100 teratonnes, as perhaps
representing <2% of the atmospheric mass and becoming not a very nice
place to be.

On Earth “A useful rule of thumb is that the maximum absolute humidity
doubles for every 20 °F (11.1 °C) increase in temperature.” and “Water
vapor is a lighter gas than air at the same temperature, so humid air
will tend to rise by natural convection.”

The atmosphere of Venus in Earth tonnes is supposedly worth 5.3e20 kg,
or roughly a hundred times greater than what we on Earth have to work
with. So it’s not terribly mind-blowing to consider that a Venus
atmosphere can offer a great deal of atmospheric water as well as
hosting a number of heavier elements.

In order to keep us village idiots confused, dumbfounded and thus
easily snookered, they use the limited scale height method instead of
taking the whole atmosphere into account, and thereby ignoring or
excluding anything that’s above 16 km.

Scale height defines the distance over which the pressure drops by
37%, which kinda excludes the other 63% that holds most of the water.
In the case of Venus, that scale height of 96 –35.5 bar is 60.5, bar
which is situated well below them clouds. Below the clouds there’s
perhaps only 25<100 ppm water depending on altitude as well as
somewhat skewed by day or night. In other words, atmospheric “scale
height” usage is nearly meaningless or rather intentionally misleading
when applied to Venus.

In that dense molecular atmosphere and 10% less gravity, acidic water
vapor is actually quite buoyant, especially as it floats above a
robust atmospheric layer of S8(sulfur). In other words, the lower and
nearly crystal dry and much hotter atmosphere of what’s near that
geothermally heated Venus surface is considerably compressed as much
denser than the upper water moist atmosphere that’s much cooler, even
going cryogenic by their season of nighttime.

Brad Guth

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Sep 4, 2010, 11:38:28 AM9/4/10

On Aug 27, 6:17 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is not cloud water the same as planet water?
According to the ESA Herschel infrared space observatory and NASA’s
SWAS, there’s even a water saturated disk surrounding certain massive
red giant carbon stars like IRC+10216, that somehow manage to use
their buckyballs to create water.
http://www.spacetoday.org/DeepSpace/Stars/WaterWater/WaterWater.html
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2010/09/02/Mystery-of-stars-cloud-of-water-solved/UPI-85521283468396/
“The star is surrounded by a huge cloud of dust and gas, and
astronomers say ultraviolet light from surrounding stars is reaching
deep into the dust cloud and breaking up molecules such as carbon
monoxide and silicon monoxide. This releases oxygen atoms that then
attach themselves to hydrogen molecules, forming water.”

"This is the only mechanism that explains the full range of the
water's temperature," Leen Decin of Katholieke Universiteit Leuven,
Belgium, said.
“The closer to the star the water is formed, the hotter it will be, he
said. This is a good example of how better instruments can change our
picture completely," Decin said.

Speaking of better instruments changing everything, surrounding Venus
from 35 km to 65 km or 40 to 70 km is a considerable 30 km band worth

of dense clouds and upper/lower haze, that together represents a
rather significant volume (1.4e19 m3), and subsequent potential wet

acidic mass that's surrounding the planet Venus. Where exactly did
that unusual mass of water come from, and why hasn’t it been simply

blown away by those solar winds?

Now much of our planet Venus is made of carbon, or giving off carbon?

Even at a conservative average density of 1 kg/m3 = 1.4e16 tonnes of
ideal gasses or something (including S8/sulfur) that is always held
within them clouds.

Within a toasty atmosphere that’s mostly CO2 and working with 90%

gravity, if those acidic molecules of which water saturation were just
33% of those other ideal gasses/vapors, perhaps that portion of h2o
becomes worth 4.62e15 tonnes, and 10% of that is still 462 teratonnes
which seems terribly conservative as to how much water that volume
represents.

our remaining glacial ice and otherwise evaporates surface water at an
ever increasing rate, that ideal gas/vapor density of water saturation
should eventually exceed 100 teratonnes, as perhaps representing 2+%
of the atmospheric mass and becoming not a very nice place to live
unless you are sufficiently rich and powerful.

The atmosphere of Venus in Earth tonnes is supposedly worth 5.3e20 kg,

or roughly a little over a hundred times greater than what we on Earth

have to work with. So it’s not terribly mind-blowing to consider that
a Venus atmosphere can offer a great deal of atmospheric water as well

as hosting a number of heavier elements, but weird that our best teams
of wizards still can’t figure it out..

In order to keep us village idiots confused and/or dumbfounded and
thus easily snookered, they (NASA and our peers) have used the limited

scale height method instead of taking the whole atmosphere into

account, and thereby extensively ignoring or excluding anything that’s
above 16 km.

Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj

Brad Guth

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Sep 4, 2010, 1:26:25 PM9/4/10

On Aug 27, 6:17 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is the planet Venus forbidden?
Outside of K12 textbook gibberish, eyecandy and the usual media
infomercial hype that’s mainstream touted and peer flatulated as
though it’s the one and only interpretation that matters, it seems
Venus actually isn’t all that technically insurmountable, and it
certainly isn’t the least bit mineral, water or energy resource
deficient, so it must be NASA voodoo forbidden.

Up until I’d informed our NASA as of December 2000, as to what looked
entirely out of place within that terrific radar obtained image data
from one of our spendy public funded missions, namely our Magellan
mission as having SAR obtained quality surface images and subsequently
those having been offered to the public as a composite GIF format of
36 confirming looks/scans per pixel, whereas ever since the systematic
denials, applied obfuscation, banishment and topic/author stalking
became their tactical damage-control policy norm of this and every
other science/astronomy related forum, and our NASA was perfectly good
with that.

How did the natural geology and surface morphing evolution of such
nifty mountainous, plus lava and erosion formed terrain for such an
actively hot planet that’s getting rid of 20.5 w/m2 (Earth losing <128
mw/m2), ever manage to accomplish those seemingly intelligent looking
logistics and structural like attributes, that look as though offering
a perfectly rational community like infrastructure?

Should the best interpreted geology that’s peer accepted most
everywhere else you’d care to look, along with those regular laws of
physics and the best other available science simply not apply to the
planet Venus?

Should I get LeapFrog to publish this investigative research along
with my deductive observationology as a glossy and colorful pop-up
book of similar eyecandy, so that our mainstream of public funded
dysfunctionals of less than 5th grade mindsets can see for themselves?

NASA Magellan:
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/magellan/
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/mission_page/VN_Magellan_page1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/magellan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magellan_probe

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/browse_frm/thread/76ced0ffd7f6e03f?hl=en#
For all we know, our all-inclusive NASA and their various cabals of
special interest groups (including DARPA) doesn't actually know squat,
just like they don't seem to know or much less share public-funded
science data about our physically dark moon/Selene, or into sharing as
to why their interpretation of Newtonian laws say that we supposedly
are not unavoidably associated with the still massive Sirius star/
solar system, or even why the planet Venus has been losing its 20.5 w/
m2 and otherwise hosting what looks as though it were populated by
something rather intelligent and quite rational.

A planet with local water and sufficient renewable local energy,
whereas almost any such planet or moon (hot or cold) becomes humanly
survivable, as long as our doing such in the buff isn’t considered an
option.

Not only is there 500<5000 teratonnes of easily accessible water (with
always more on the way), Venus should also have loads of renewable
energy to burn (so to speak), extensively in the form of easily
induced vertical isothermal-dynamic wind that can just as easily be
routed so as to exit though a radial turbine.

Solar updraft towers of as little as 200 meters on Earth can with good
design obtain an unobstructed up-draft of <15 m/s.
http://www.1000friendsofflorida.org/Solar/The_Solar_Updraft.pdf
http://climatelab.org/Solar_Updraft_Towers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooling_tower
“Natural draft, which utilizes buoyancy via a tall chimney. Warm,
moist air naturally rises due to the density differential to the dry,
cooler outside air. Warm moist air is less dense than drier air at the
same pressure. This moist air buoyancy produces a current of air
through the tower.”

This next link is still pertaining to our wussy terrestrial
atmospheric applications.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/natural-draught-ventilation-d_122.html

“Australia power company Enviro-mission ltd. hopes to build a 1,000
meter (3,300 feet) solar tower in south west new South Wales state, a
structure that would be more than twice the height of Malaysia's
Petron's Towers, the world's tallest building. The plant having seven
kilometer roof diameter and 1 km chimney height, and a 3 meter
distance at outer periphery and 25 m distance at inner periphery of
solar collector roof. And which it allows to sucked hot air through 32
turbines which generate power 24 hrs a day having output expected to
650 GW/yrs.” (that’s only an average of 74.2 MW/hr because that sun
keeps going up and down and otherwise remains effectively kaput for
nearly 60% of the time)

Of course on Venus there’s hardly any solar influx reaching the
surface, therefore no need of having to bother with any surrounding
glass roofed solar collector, because just collecting surface thermal
energy off the ground itself (day or night) that’s perpetually heated
from within to 20.5 w/m2 (plus given whatever geothermal vents with
their added [z] worth of compressibility should have to offer) applied
along with its vertical 10 K/km and 4.1 bar/km differentials should
literally blow our renewable energy socks off.

As long as the compressible gas flow of that extremely high density
and surface heated medium is kept routed within the vertical up-draft
chimney, there’s simply no way for it to equalize until it exits out
the top, such as venting out through a very large diameter radial
turbine as it suddenly cools and expands. In other words, this kind
of natural resource is not an insignificant amount of renewable energy
that can be easily scaled to suit.

Add a good geothermal surface vent as providing a serious increase of
thermal differential, as well as having a terrific gas density volume
that should include the S8 vapor worth 300 kg/m3, plus whatever
initial surface exit velocity as the ultimate kicker, whereas lo and
behold you’ve got as much renewable energy (by day or night) as you
could possibly want. Remember that a km tall updraft tower on Venus
is surrounded by a toasty surface that’s offering 20.5 w/m2 of
geothermal energy in addition to whatever gaseous vent(s) that
shouldn’t be hard to find on such a geologically active planet like
Venus, could represent more substantial energy than anyone is prepared
to deal with..

Imagine what a dysfunctional BP wellhead BOP on Venus could be putting
out, as a geothermally hot and fast geyser discharge of toxic oily
sulfur and extremely dense gasses (radioactive to boot) at <12 Venus
tonnes/sec (13 Earth tonnes/sec) and just as likely more than
scorching hot at <400 K above those surface ambient temperatures of
735 K. A medium geothermal gaseous vent on Venus could easily spew <4
m3/sec at 1024 kg (3,686 t/hr) and <1035 K that’s exiting at <200 bar,
and no way would you want to be caught downwind from any of that power
turbine discharge. Is there any reason(s) to think Venus doesn’t have
such geothermal vents?

In order for that planet to sustain its heavy atmosphere that’s least
dense on top and unprotected from those terrific solar winds, by right
this should demand venting perhaps at least 100 tonnes/sec, because
most of whatever mineral and water vapors that comes out (just like on
Earth) doesn’t leave the planet. Perhaps at most 10% gets lost to
space, as opposed to Earth losing only a tonnes/sec.

Brad Guth

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Sep 4, 2010, 4:29:58 PM9/4/10

On Aug 27, 6:17 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

While Earth is clearly dead set upon squandering and continually
fighting over its limited terrestrial energy and mineral resources,
and otherwise willing to pay an ever increasing tab of global
inflation plus collateral damage as direct and indirect consequence
(including what Big Energy is annually taking tens of thousands of
human lives and terminating of many endangered species plus having
been systematically trashing our supposedly one of a kind frail
environment that’s in places looking more like a Godzilla demolition
war zone), whereas Venus is still bursting at the seams with renewable
energy plus hosting all the similar elements that Earth has to offers,
except those elements on Venus being much easier to come by.

Not that I have all the answers, but we simply can not spend billions
upon billions or actually trillions of our hard earned loot per year
after year upon energy, minerals and raw element related matters
without such actions diverting our best talents and resources away
from other matters that are at least as important if not more so.

So, how much further I-told-you-so is this one about the planet Venus
going to take?

As long as our moon/Selene remains officially voodoo taboo/
nondisclosure rated, as well as it’s L1 being kept as need to know and
otherwise off-limits or kept as another big dark secret, what sort of
planet other than Venus holds any possible future promise for us?

Even Venus L2 is actually one hell of a nifty and always cool outpost/
gateway that gets to within 100 LD every 19 months. So why haven't we
been utilizing it?

Brad Guth

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Sep 5, 2010, 3:09:19 PM9/5/10

On Aug 27, 6:17 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just because you can not breath underwater, underground or otherwise
survive where it’s always too cold, too dry, too wet or of having too
little pressure or too hot and too much pressure doesn’t means that
other forms of complex and even intelligent life can not, especially
if whatever local or imported intelligence applied physics and the
necessary technology plus good logistics.

Try real hard to listen up folks;
ETs most likely do exist, mostly because the odds against other
complex and even superior intelligent life not existing/coexisting
somewhere off-world is simply too great, and otherwise with newer and
better astronomy plus mission probes are making those pro-ET odds as
having been looking better all the time, as well as there’s every good
enough reason(s) to believe that some species of complex life as ETs
to us have already been here and/or at least nearby all along, while
others have merely come and gone as of thousands or millions of years
ago, as well as there being something intelligent as having been
recently utilizing the planet Venus for all it’s worth. This is not
to say that such ETs are somehow above or beyond the regular laws of
physics or having extremely advanced biological capabilities all that
far exceed those of ours. However, their having local space travel
capability of <0.1c seems perfectly reasonable enough, and perhaps
even as great as <0.5c for accommodating their robotic probes or
transponders accomplishing extended interstellar probe treks may also
have been technically doable, but I’d say that’s about it for galactic
locals.

If it were not for the substantial SEC fiasco(s) plus those multiple
other related failures world wide (before, during and after as though
nothing has changed for the better), plus 9/11 and the subsequent
global spendy wars and increased security because of those other
humans (mostly disgruntled Muslims) that we’re always taking advantage
of and then trying to get rid of before they manage to return the
favor, we’d be all set up on remote off-world places like our moon and
Mars, as well as having those zero delta-V outpost/gateways and most
likely capably accomplishing Venus by now. Instead we got less than
zilch, plus we’re deeply in debt to nations we supposedly don’t like
and still at odds with many others that we really can’t afford to do
anything about.

Even at the ET trek velocity of 0.1c, the local interstellar distances
involved are often staggering, not to mention intergalactic stuff
that’s unlikely unless riding on a rogue planet or moon of a
sufficiently large planet, and otherwise with only a few blue-shifted
expectations, most other potential goldilocks zones of worthy
exoplanets and their moons outside of our galaxy have been getting
further away (outside of those trillion some odd stars of Andromeda
that we’re closing that gap at 300 km/sec), a nearby galaxy that’s
every bit as likely populated if not a whole lot not more so
goldilocks worthy seems rather likely to host other intelligent life,
thereby we have an entire galaxy that’s mutually in blue-shift with us
and likely has them scared to death that they might eventually run
into a heathen/infidel planet like Eden/Earth that’s forever stuck in
faith-based voodoo mode.

However, within the near future it seems we’re also headed back
towards the local Sirius star/solar system,. In the not so distant
past of perhaps only a few hundred million years ago, it seems a
smaller galaxy had gradually merged/encountered our Milky Way, as
having contributed all sorts of stellar companions, along with
contributing and causing rogue stuff, plus offering a few of those
terrific molecular clouds that gave birth to the likes of our
impressive Sirius star/solar system that we’re closing in on and could
get within a light year of.

In the greater interpretation of all this, I certainly would not
intentionally exclude other evolutionary methods of ETs morphing and
achieving an equal or better level of physiological expertise within
their own intelligent design efforts, of creating custom DNA/RNA on
behalf of refining their own complex forms of life (exactly as
Monsanto and many others have been doing), including a few highly
specialized and intelligent forms as something equal or better than
our human species that would have also developed and incorporated
sufficient technology in order to better accomplish their survival,
especially on behalf of surviving upon other planets or moons as
having extremes and/or whatever lack or excess in local and renewable
energy to work with, or on behalf of whatever environments believed
too harsh/extreme for their naked species.

For this deductive analogy of planetary energy usage, you simply have
to rethink with an open mindset as to the all-inclusive energy cycle,
of which the extremely nearby planet Venus seems to have far more than
its fair share of energy to work with, and with energy almost anything
becomes doable..

Compared to the mostly CO2 icy and seemingly much older and
geologically defunct planet of Mars, Venus by rights should offer at
least a good million fold better treasure-trove of raw elements and
energy per cubic meter of its own active geothermal and atmospheric
forms to draw upon, as well as in many ways more than a hundred fold
better off than anything Eden/Earth has to offer. Trying to suggest
otherwise is simply proof positive of the orchestrated intent and
naysay mindset imposed by those in control of our K12 education and
mainstream media, as well as cloaked those of our Google Groups (aka
Usenet/newsgroups) that systematically topic/author stalk as these
brown-nose clowns of their mainstream status quo that attempts to
banish or disqualify outsiders and otherwise they systematically
obfuscate, as always meant to exclude whatever deductive
observationology as well as to continually banish or exclude the
planetology of real physics and the best available science that just
so happens to rock their faith-based and/or politically correct boat.

If you don’t think I’m sufficiently correct, please feel free to prove
otherwise.

Those of you as perhaps not quite 5th graders, and/or if otherwise
still having trouble locating or accessing the unmoderated public
Usenet/newsgroups (such as "alt.astronomy"), as such may have to get
connected to an outside server that's not having been stealth
moderated to death by those in charge of your brainwashing.

Deductive observational science isn't for everyone, much the same as
logical dot connecting of evidence isn't for everyone because most
folks want to be told what to believe. The Magellan SAR image that
I'm working from is exactly what it is, and if you'd care to think
perfectly natural hot rock should look exactly like a fairly
substantial and complex tarmac, alongside a complex and rational
community plan of substantial structures, along with having multiple
nearby reservoirs, that pesky bridge and rock quarry sites, plus
whatever else seems perfectly rigid airship worthy, than so be it
because I certainly can’t do everything for you.

Brad Guth

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Sep 5, 2010, 3:27:29 PM9/5/10

Believe it or not, it seems that our government as a whole that
includes dozens of public-funded agencies and many of those mystery
black ops running at most any time, doesn't always tell us the whole

truth and nothing but the truth, whereas instead we’ve all been to
some extent systematically mainstream indoctrinated by and/or

manipulated by our peers as to what supposedly makes everything tick
and that planet Venus so unusually hot and nasty, but oddly we’ve not
been informed of all the alternatives or having access to the

remainders of what should have also been considered and realized about
the nearest planet that’s also by far the most similar to early Earth.

To start with, most of you have no technical expertise or other
educated idea as to what a radar obtained (SAR) image represents, much

less capable of interpreting as anything but another one of NASA’s

colorblind examples where you can’t possibly tell a diamond from a

chunk of coal, gold from mud or most any visible element color from

another. In fact minerals or deposits of most any sort simply can’t
be deductively extrapolated from looking at a monochrome image
(especially where the lighting and shadows are always such variables),
whereas a radar obtained image you can at least interpret the density
and/or the composite substance that’s represented by each pixel, which
in the case of Venus can be offered as a GIF pixel of 36 confirming
looks or scans which provides by far the least distorted as well as
the most trustworthy and thus truthworthy values.

Here in Google Groups and throughout Usenet/newsgroups are mostly

public funded peers as a gauntlet of faith-based and politically

correct parrots (including the most devout Semites cloaked as pretend-

Atheists), as well as we always have the usual secondary gauntlet of

their brown-nosed minions as parrots, clowns and special interest
cabals of insiders looking for intelligent other life or essentially
any form of other life in pretty much all the wrong places, as though
only the most wet Eden like planets should qualify. As of lately
these devout mainstream parrots and their fellowship of minions seem
to like promoting their inert eyecandy best of all, and the further
away from us the better, because that's not representing or imposing

any social/political or faith-based threats to their mainstream past,

present or future mindset of tactical obfuscation that so often has to
topic/author stalk and post their replies as mostly limited to a few
Google Usenet newsgroups, bashing away as though alt.astronomy and
other public unmoderated newsgroups shouldn’t have existed in the
first place.

Imagine if an exoplanet exactly like Venus were just discovered, and

then to further consider what biological evolution possibilities
should exist, knowing something of how complex robust life can manage

to evolve and/or adapt to extreme environments that would otherwise
kill off a human species within seconds if not sooner, and yet with

applied physics and a moderate level of good logistics and technology

it’s worth noting that we too could easily explore and even eventually
adapt to surviving within such potentially lethal environments

(similar to those on Earth where it takes a good deal of applied
physics and our best technology in order that we survive and function,
or even upon our physically dark moon as those Apollo missions
supposedly demonstrated without hardly a hitch).

Further imagine what a truly advanced species of ET humanoids or

whatever intelligent complex species could manage to accomplish,
especially if they didn't have bogus wars and faith-based voodoo or
those special interest cabals of such greed, hording and corruption
holding them back. Can you imagine how retarded such ETs would be if
their mostly public funded patent infringements were always strictly
forbidden. (perhaps anything receiving more than 33% public funding
should be made available to anyone that’s a valid taxpayer or even a
consumer, and of those taking less than 33% should be prorated because
it’s pretty much near impossible for to accomplish a better technology
or science advancement without having involved some degree of public
infrastructure and thus public investment, but then such a policy
would only have advanced us by at least a thousand years and few if
any nations in debt because most of our problems would have been
resolved.

thereby whatever ET intelligent other life really shouldn’t be all
that insurmountable, and it's always going to be a whole lot easier if

there's an unlimited local cache of energy to draw upon, as well as

ample supplies of local minerals plus water, of which this extremely
nearby planet Venus offers more than a sufficient amount of raw

minerals plus loads of h2o to spare as long as we’re allowed to
consider the acidic water that’s contained within them thick clouds

plus whatever is being geothermally forced out of the planet as
usable.

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Sep 5, 2010, 3:30:24 PM9/5/10

On Aug 27, 6:17 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Believe it or not, it seems that our government as a whole that
includes dozens of public-funded agencies and having many of those

mystery black ops running at most any time, doesn't always tell us the
whole truth and nothing but the truth, whereas instead we’ve all been

to some extent systematically mainstream snookered and indoctrinated

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It’s still all about focus, focus, focus:

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Sep 5, 2010, 3:52:55 PM9/5/10

On Aug 27, 6:17 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is the planet Venus forbidden?
Outside of K12 textbook gibberish plus all the usual eyecandy and

media infomercial hype that’s mainstream touted and peer flatulated as
though it’s the one and only interpretation that matters, it seems
Venus actually isn’t all that technically insurmountable, and it
certainly isn’t the least bit mineral, water or energy resource

deficient, so it must be NASA and DARPA voodoo forbidden.

Should I get LeapFrog to publish this investigative research along
with my deductive observationology as a glossy and colorful pop-up
book of similar eyecandy, so that our mainstream of public funded

dysfunctionals of less than 5th grade mindsets can scratch and sniff
for themselves?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/browse_frm/thread/76ced0ffd7f6e03f?hl=en#
For all we know, our all-inclusive NASA and their various cabals of

special interest and insider groups (including DARPA) doesn't actually

know squat, just like they don't seem to know or much less share
public-funded science data about our physically dark moon/Selene, or
into sharing as to why their interpretation of Newtonian laws say that
we supposedly are not unavoidably associated with the still massive

Sirius star/solar system, or even why the planet Venus has been losing
its 20.5 w/m2 and otherwise hosting what looks as though it were

dense on top and otherwise unprotected from those terrific solar
winds, by rights this should demand venting perhaps at least 100
tonnes/sec, because most of whatever composites of mineral and water
vapors that comes out (just like right here on Earth) doesn’t leave

the planet. Perhaps at most 10% gets lost to space, as opposed to

Earth losing only a tonne/sec (mostly helium and hydrogen).

Brad Guth

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Sep 5, 2010, 4:02:46 PM9/5/10

On Aug 27, 6:17 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

While Earth has clearly dead-set itself upon squandering and

continually fighting over its limited terrestrial energy and mineral
resources, and otherwise willing to pay an ever increasing tab of

global inflation plus collateral and environmental damage as direct
and indirect consequence (including whatever Big Energy is annually
taking tens of thousands of human lives and having been terminating

many endangered species plus having been systematically trashing our
supposedly one of a kind frail environment that’s in places looking
more like a Godzilla demolition war zone), whereas Venus is still
bursting at the seams with renewable energy plus hosting all the

similar elements that Earth has to offers, except those elements on

Venus being much easier to come by.

Not that I have formulated all the answers, but we simply can not

spend billions upon billions or actually trillions of our hard earned

loot per year after year and even decade after decade upon energy,

minerals and raw element related matters without such actions
diverting our best talents and resources away from other matters that
are at least as important if not more so.

So, how much further ‘I told you so’ is this one about the planet
Venus going to take?

As long as our moon/Selene remains officially voodoo taboo/

nondisclosure rated, as well as its L1 being kept as need to know and
otherwise off-limits or kept as another big dark and scary secret,

what sort of planet other than Venus holds any possible future promise
for us?

Even Venus L2 is actually offering one hell of a nifty and always cool
outpost/gateway location that gets to within 100 LD every 19 months.

So why haven’t we been utilizing it?

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Sep 5, 2010, 5:16:33 PM9/5/10

Has Venus got intelligent other life? (compared to Earth, how hard
could that possibly be?)

Intelligent other life need not be as socially dysfunctional or as
radio/microwave capable as us in order to count, such as 99.9% of
Earth’s human intelligence took place as of prior to our having radio,
and perhaps even including before having airships of various kinds.
Such other life can simply be evolved differently (intellectually
ahead or far behind us), as well as those created via directed
panspermia or as having been directly deployed by whatever visiting
ETs (exactly as we’d be doing), except along with instructions to
avoid Earth interactions at all cost, as having pretty much exactly
the same precautionary policy as if we had mastered similar
interplanetary/interstellar travel capability would suggest while
remaining nearby as stealth or otherwise hidden from whatever weird
species shouldn’t be all that difficult, especially if the other
nearby populated planet were as dumbfounded heathen, satanic and
otherwise socially/politically dysfunctional as Earth, might seem
rather obvious to not interact with such voodoo.

This cloaked form of neighborly deception would be easiest if a few of
our spooks/moles could be established on that heathen populated planet
Earth, as infiltrated in positions of authority just in case certain
perception damage-controls needed to be implemented, as well as for
keeping those silly and highly superstitious heathens as preoccupied
with matters of their religions intolerance of one another, plus
causing bogus and/or false flagged wars, greed and hording plus
especially focused upon near anything other than accomplishing off-
world matters.

Ask yourself and of others that usually claim knowing everything;
Compared to Earth, what essential and/or raw elements and energy
doesn’t the planet Venus have to offer? (best available science can’t
seem to exclude anything, so perhaps Venus is within reason having
similar elements and even somewhat chemically and geologically similar
to early Earth in more ways than any other planet or moon)

With a crust thickness of perhaps 5<20 km that’s roughly as little as
half that of Earth (5 km in deep ocean basins <65 km under mountains),
and Venus being somewhat more geologically active (as well as having a
higher percentage of mantel than Earth, if there’s anything solid
under its thin lithosphere/crust), are such raw elements going to be
harder or easier to come by?

Since most terrestrial hydrocarbons are extensively not made from
fossils, then why shouldn’t Venus have its fair share of those
hydrocarbons?

Those radioactive elements starting with Thorium (Th232) are certainly
not unique to Earth. In fact they are relatively common place, and
thus should also exist on Venus to the same or logically greater
extent.

From what can be seen and easily enough interpreted, it seems the
planet Venus has been at least in one mountainous location utilized by
others (if not by its own intelligent kind), and I’m still not having
to deductively interpret anything into those SAR obtained images of 36
confirming looks or radar scans per composite pixel, that isn’t of
some real part of whatever’s actually there to behold.

There’s never any argument from myself that Venus is too hot and nasty
for us as naked humans, but that doesn’t exclude whatever reasonably
intelligent individuals could accomplish in spite of all that
pressure, toxic atmosphere and geothermal heat. There could actually
be a Venus human species that’s on average smarter than Einstein,
though not that most any 5th grader wouldn’t be smart enough to
survive Venus, because surviving upon such a planet with suitable
technology simply isn’t rocket science.

If a planet nearly the size of Earth and most likely as loaded with
similar elements, plus having loads of its own renewable energy to
burn (so to speak), and even hosting at least 500 teratonnes of easily
accessible water, if it were parked within a nearby orbit that was
merely 100 fold lunar distant from us, seems most of our mainstream
silly naysay kind of parrot mindsets still wouldn't interpret a damn
thing, no matters how proof-positive or otherwise pixel trustworthy
those surface images were made of (just like all of our ARPA/DARPA and
NASA/Apollo missions never once noticed or much less had accomplished
any one of their unfiltered Kodak moments from orbit or from its
surface that ever included the nearby planet Venus, and yet go figure
this because, supposedly they all saw those Muslim WMD as though clear
and plain as day).

In spite of all the usual mainstream gauntlet of systematic
obfuscation, naysay and denial flack, here’s some of my further
refinements or investigative polishing of those Venus airship numbers,
as to what a composite rigid airship has to offer, along with some
weird fun stuff that makes our doing Venus even more interesting for
those few of us with “the right stuff”.

The local sport of Extreme Sky Diving on Venus; Starting from 75 km
you can safely body-surf your way to the ground without a parachute.
(WARNING) this extreme sport is not an approved activity for naked or
otherwise dumbfounded humans, however, include a suitably protective
suit and if need be inflate a small balloon instead of a parachute,
whereas lo and behold you can float yourself above that toasty surface
indefinitely. Given a suitable combination or hybrid inflated
parachute and you’ve got the best threesome of sky-diving, hang
gliding and ballooning worlds.

Obviously our human physiology can’t so quickly adjust to that extent
of pressure change within any few hours or possibly days worth of any
sky-diving form of atmospheric buoyancy, density and reduced gravity
controlled descent, although it’s just given as an example of the
practical aspects of peer accepted physics that are available to
benefit most anything else you’d care to accomplish without having to
directly expose your frail body to such sudden pressure/temperature
extremes, not to mention you’d need assistance getting enough O2 w/o
ingesting too much CO2 or S8 (physiology wise the frail human body can
adjust to almost any pressure environment, although there are certain
other considerations of extremes that’ll require applied physics and
our best technology in order to master what the Venus environment has
to offer)

However, given a few months to gradually adjust our physiology to
accepting the 96+ bar pressure seems more than doable, at least
manageable enough to start off with, whereas shifting +/- 1 km is by
itself a +/- 4.1 bar variation that could remain problematic unless
the extensive use of breathing 99% hydrogen and 1% O2 is what makes
that transition easier to cope with. (should be little if any need for
nitrogen)

VENUS got BUOYANCY:
“Any object, wholly or partially immersed in a fluid, is buoyed up by
a force equal to the weight of the fluid displaced by the object.” –
Archimedes of Syracuse

Of course China probably knew of this nifty buoyancy physics as of at
least 12,000 BP, or roughly as of when out of nowhere those unusual
little Dropa/Dzopa wizards showed up. However, it seems that most of
our devoted mainstreamers still haven’t got a clue.

This buoyancy usage thing about Venus is truly something extra special
to appreciate, considering its unusually thick atmosphere that yields
65 kg/m3, plus its 0.905 gravity puts a whole new spin or
interpretation as to those geothermal upwelling vents that can spew
various mineral saturated vapors, as well as brines and those
superheated gasses almost like a fire hose or water cannon shoots its
stream of water here on Earth. This could make for some interesting
fluid arch like displays that would boggle the average parrot mindset
that normally can’t think outside their terrestrial K-12 mainstream
box. In other words, of what comes out of a Venus geyser doesn’t have
to be solids of mud or lava in order to become visible to radar
imaging that has given us the most truth-worthy pixels thus far, as to
indicating what Venus has to offer.

Try hard to also remember that for every –1 km below the given average
elevation picks up another 4.1 bar (roughly 60 psi and at least 2.2
extra kg/m3 buoyancy) plus there’s another thermal increase of 10+ K
worth of upwelling geothermal heat that’s continually radiated at 20.5
w/m2 from the toasty ground up, and because the pressure is not only
greater but also the density of that mostly CO2 atmosphere further
compresses towards becoming a supercritical fluid, unlike the density
of ocean water that hardly compresses or changes its liquid density by
more than 0.466% at 96 bar (less affected at higher temperatures
unless it’s pressure phase shifting to/from vapor).

There’s roughly a 14 km difference between the highest and lowest
surface elevations of +10.8 and –3.2 km. This makes the likely
maximum surface pressure of 106 bar (+/- a few percent depending on
day or night), and perhaps worth <72 kg/m3 buoyancy within all that
hot CO2 plus elements of S8/sulfur vapor taken into account. Of
course the per kg adjusted mass of anything inert, reactive or living
from Earth is only worth 0.905 kg on Venus, so that’s another one
that’s better (not worse).

For those unfamiliar with composite rigid airships (none of which
exist on Earth) is common place hubris (as a traditional mix of
arrogance, stupidity and belligerency that are each Ig Nobel Prize
worthy), because most faith-based naysayers as well as pretend-
Atheists are technically bogus as well as expertise dysfunctionals
that simply can’t think outside of their K-12 indoctrinated mindset.

The notions of composite rigid airship usage is actually providing a
seriously darn good form of Venus transportation for locals, ETs or
us, that’s energy efficient and substantial payload capable. Even
potentially cruising above them thick acidic clouds isn’t technically
insurmountable, although extremely bumpy and testy getting there and
safely back down again may be pushing that airship envelope. As the
airship ascends it gets tonnes lighter because of less H2 pressure
required and the amount of its propulsion fuel consumed could drop
100<1000 tonnes (depending on mass and drag) before reaching 75 km.

There are a number of observationology indications of large airships
(at least a couple seem parked on that complex tarmac), although it’s
fair to be calling it a highly subjective interpretation unless you’d
care to otherwise explain away all those other items that seem as
though perfectly unnatural, as instead interpreting those of merely
unusual geology formations that exist nowhere else seems even more
subjective. As otherwise it makes for perfectly logical as well as
common/rational sense for Venusians or whatever ETs (including us) to
have such rigid composite airships for most any application, because
technically it’s quite doable and it’s not even rocket science.

Do the airship buoyancy math yourself, and see how much you can float
in that toasty atmospheric soup (except avoiding those upper nighttime
clouds where it gets seriously windy and cryogenic). With some work
remaining, here’s my latest shot at it, along with revisions because
I’ve made a few of those pesky mistakes, such as by not having
accounted for the 537 tonne mass of hydrogen at the necessary pressure
and temperature. Being conservative, I’ve also given this composite
rigid airship the inert/dry mass of 190 Venus tonnes (210 Earth tonnes
which is 62% heavier than LZ129, though I’d doubt we’d need to add
more than 33%).
http://www.peacesoftware.de/einigewerte/co2_e.html
A million m3 = 65,000,000 kg (65,000 tonnes) that you can push around
by hand, however LZ129 (Hindenburg at 130 Earth tonnes of dry/inert
mass) held <211,890 m3 of hydrogen which gave a gross terrestrial
payload of 112.1 tonnes to work with, and if that same volume of gas
were utilized on Venus using a substantially robust (roughly 162%
inert heavier) composite rigid airship would provide <13,050 Venus
tonnes of payload (at 0.905 gravity is the same as hauling 14,420
Earth tonnes), and that’s like hauling 62 fully loaded 787-8s at 210
Venus tonnes each, and using perhaps as little as 1024 KW to move that
Venus Hindenburg of 727 tonnes plus its 13,050 tonne payload (13,777
Venus gross tonnage) along at 25 m/sec (90 km/hr), because the
friction isn’t going to be all that great.

Also consider that Venus aerodynamics is going to act nearly
hydrodynamic, thus making for a great deal of improved airfoil and/or
propulsion control from using relatively small area control surfaces
and ducted thrusters. My advice is that you be a good topic
contributing sport and see if you can find those same Venus airships
as I have (at least one of them I’ve interpreted as easily packing
well over 1e6 m3 of hydrogen).

Brad Guth

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Sep 6, 2010, 9:58:57 AM9/6/10

Apparently the mainstream voodoo taboo/nondisclosure about the planet
Venus is very strong.

Looking at what's fairly easy to see and interpret is quite upsetting,
to think that your very own faith and its government have been hiding
this information for more than a decade, should be another wake-up
call for most of you.

~ BG

> that’s closely related to Venus.http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/f61...

> Try a LeapFrog Search: Venus oxygen or Venus volcanoeshttp://images.google.com/images?q=venus%20oxygen&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&t...
>
> Venus Express Searches For Life On Earthhttp://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1584729/venus_express_searches_for...

> “We see water and molecular oxygen in Earth’s atmosphere, but Venus
> also shows these signatures.”
>

> http://jtintle.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/zoom-in-on-venus%e2%80%99-oxy...

> Zoom-in on Venus’ oxygen airglow
>

> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=af&u=http://kosmofysis...

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Sep 7, 2010, 7:43:55 AM9/7/10

Attention all K-12s: Finding Waldo on Venus is much easier said than

done, but otherwise finding a substantial tarmac plus large scale

infrastructure that looks perfectly rational is really easy.

This "IrfanView" image processing utility is somewhat like being
digital image potty trained, as well as having been 5th grader

approved and thus as good as any LeapFrog pop-up book can deliver.
Not that any number of equal or better digital image methods for

enlarging haven’t existed as is, but here's simply yet another old one

that has been perked up so that not even a 5th grader is necessary to
operate it. If you can click your mouse or one finger type with a

keyboard, that's pretty much all the image processing expertise you'll

ever need.
IrfanView
http://www.irfanview.com/

PhotoZoom Pro (mac and pc)
http://www.benvista.com/main/content/content.php?page=downloads

The original GIF image file:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif

Start looking for our Venusian Waldo or whatever else looks unusually
of local intelligence somewhere near that complex tarmac, or perhaps

Brad Guth

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Sep 7, 2010, 9:11:29 AM9/7/10

That surface environment of Venus isn’t the kind of insurmountable hot
you might think it is, and it’s certainly not anything that’s
geologically dead or dormant like what we’ve been told over and over
by those in charge of our mainstream science and public media that’s
fully moderated by those few in charge of whatever gets officially
published. Venus nighttime at an altitude of 80~90 km isn’t always so
cryogenic, as apparently there are thermal dynamic ribbons or jet
stream like up-flows of the relatively tropical atmospheric
environment from below. I believe the following report has merely
failed to properly post their “30 to 70 C” as otherwise correctly
stated as being –30 to –70 C, but none the less that’s still downright
toasty compared to the usual –120 C.

“The Unexpected Temperature Profile Of Venus's Atmosphere”
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/The_Unexpected_Temperature_Profile_Of_Venus_Atmosphere_999.html
The only problem being with some of this graphic applied eye-candy
analogy is that in reality so little of the solar energy actually
reaches unto the lower (below cloud) atmosphere and directly touches
the geothermally heated surface. Perhaps all of 0.5% or 13 w/m2 gets
to the surface.

“Jean-Loup Bertaux, Service d'Aeronomie du CNRS, France, Ann-Carine
Vandaele, Institut d'Aeronomie Spatiale de Belgique, and colleagues
have now used Venus Express to discover an unexpectedly warm layer of
air on the planet's night-side. It sits between the altitudes of
90-120 km, a region that is generally so cold at night that scientists
often refer to it as Venus's cryosphere. The new measurements show
that the temperature excess ranges from 30 to 70C and peaks at an
altitude of 100 km.” (their graphic depicted scales are correct,
showing everything above 60 km as -C, however it’s unlikely their
reporting error in text will be corrected before getting extensively
published in public science journals and textbooks as is) Venus -
night-time temperatures in the atmosphere
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_0.html
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_1.html#subhead1

This following image/graphic of the Venus day/night thermal profiles
is even a little more intriguing to those of us interested in the
future prospects of our accomplishing Venus without getting our
composite rigid airship unnecessarily fried in the process.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg

Unfortunately, our future aerial/rigid-airship sustained expedition
cruising altitude may have to be flying below 35 km by day (possibly
below 25 km within the season of nighttime) in order to remain in the
clear, and thereby it’ll be much hotter outside our composite rigid
airship in order to avoid that lower acidic cloud haze, and as
otherwise necessary for escaping the bulk of those pesky retrograde
winds. However, along with having a positive/constructive mindset,
one can do wonders within the regular laws of physics, especially when
using the best available science, technology and deductive thinking
along the way.

In other words, there’s really nothing simple about the Venus
atmosphere, but at least there’s absolutely no question of where the
vast bulk of Venus heat is coming from, and it’s most certainly not by
way of the sun and atmospheric greenhouse that’s merely contributing
to a seriously nasty geothermal driven environment. Unfortunately,
it’s even ESA that mixes up their Kelvin and Centigrade back and forth
and leaves off their minus thermal notation as though it really
doesn’t matter, thereby no wonder we have those published errors and
misconceptions in their science context that’ll apparently get to
stick with us no matters what.

With the JAXA Planet-C mission on their way and more yet to come from
the ESA's Venus EXPRESS team of investigative wizards, perhaps updates
and corrections will eventually materialize.

~ BG

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