Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)
janp...@gmail.com
our planet Earth is packed with atheists, while only rare people
believe in God. Also such an opinion prevails amongst a majority of
people, who are convinced that in present times individuals who
believe in God are a real rarity. However, the reality is an exact
reversal of what is claimed by religious institutions. In fact, if
someone seeks carefully around, then only with a great difficulty can
find a true atheist. Practically, almost 100% of people, at the bottom
of their heart believe in the existence of some superior being with
attributes of God. The only thing which differs from person to person
is the depth of their belief, and the name and definition of God in
which they believe. This fact of the common belief in God is confirmed
by all research done in this matter. One amongst such research was
reported in the article "More than nine out of 10 believe in God",
from page B2 of New Zealand newspaper from Christchurch named "The
Press" (they do have a web page " www.press.co.nz "), in the issue of
that newspaper dated on Wednesday, June 25, 2008. This article
informed about results of such research carried out in the USA. But it
is well known that presently the USA belongs to one amongst the most
atheistic countries of our planet, in the majority of schools of which
teaching religion is forbidden. Thus, in other countries probably even
a larger proportion of people believe in God. Similar results are
yield from research on human psychology. This research always stresses
that people have from the birth a natural inclination to believe in
the God's existence. Even many murderers and sadists admit that they
committed their crimes because "God ordered them to do so". So in
reality the claims of religious institutions and beliefs of the
majority of us, that the Earth is full of atheists, turns out to be a
myth and an untruth. In fact the Earth is packed with people who
believe in God's existence. Only that these believers are
intentionally kept in the uncertainty about the God's existence.
Furthermore, a significant proportion of present people is highly
sceptical in relation to naive and full of errors explanations of God
disseminated by present religions paralysed by their own age and
sclerosis. Therefore the belief of these people in the religious
explanations of God in many cases is too shallow to be able to force
them to pedantically do whatever their religion asks them to do.
Unfortunately, if we look on the humanity from the prospective of God,
then it turns out that the situation when all people deeply believe in
God is NOT at all in the interest of this God. This is because God
created humans so that people continually increased their knowledge,
searched for truth, created, developed, overcame obstacle, did not
give up, etc. On the other hand, people who deeply believe in God
typically cease to seek knowledge and truth. Also they cease their
stubborn fight with obstructions of fate and in everything they begin
to give up. From thinking seekers of truth and from creative
inventors, such people deeply believing in God usually transform
themselves into thoughtless pleasers and worshippers of God, who spend
time on infinitive repetition of the same prayers. For example, as
this is described in item #A2 of the web page "will.htm" (about the
influence of "free will" of people on fate of the entire human
civilisation), people who deeply believe in God cease to seek and to
increase their knowledge, as they have a ready answer to everything
that "God created it". They do NOT try to establish how God created
everything, how this creation works, why God did this instead of doing
something else, nor what God really is - because they are afraid to
"offend God" or to commit a "blasphemy". They cease to do scientific
research because "if God wants that we know this, He would reveal this
to us". They do NOT improve their characters because "how God created
me He must want me to be". They do NOT fight with illnesses,
accidents, nor inconveniences, because "God appears to want me to
suffer". They cease to create new inventions because they wait until
"God gives these to them". They cease to fight against bad fortunes
because "God appears to wish that it is so". Etc., etc. In the result,
a deep belief in God has a conservationist and destructive
consequences. It freezes the progress of creativity, knowledge,
technology, and faith. Thus, a society which is full of people that
deeply believe in God, freezes in its intellectual and technical
development, and thus also in its spiritual and religious development.
If since the beginning of time the world was full of people who deeply
believe in God, then we would live in caves until today, we would NOT
know fire, and instead of the only and intelligent God we would
worship e.g. thoughtless lightning flashes and thunders. As we can
realise, such a freezing of progress of knowledge and development of
people is NOT in interests of God. God does NOT want that people
behave in such a manner. After all, according to explanations from
item #B3 of the web page "will.htm" (about the influence of "free
will" of people on fate of the entire human civilisation), and also
item #C1 of the web page "god.htm" (about secular and scientific
understanding of God), God created man in order people mastered the
skill of stubborn searching for knowledge and truth, thus becoming an
active instrument in the evolution of the universe and helping God in
increasing His own knowledge. From the God's point of view it is
immensely vital that people seek knowledge and truth, are creative,
continually improve themselves and their knowledge, display
determination and stubbornness in implementing their intentions, etc.,
etc. So God has no choice but to find a way how to force people to
seek knowledge and truth, and how to motivate us to put into these
searches everything that we are capable of.
Fortunately, NOT without effects God is infinitively more intelligent
than people. Therefore He found a perfect solution to the problem of
freezing of progress, knowledge, and technology by people who deeply
believe in God. Namely, "God continually keeps all people in the lack
of certainty 'whether God exists at all' ". In turn, to keep us
uncertain about His existence, it is this God Himself who, amongst
others, spreads atheism amongst people, who actively supports
everything that noisily denies His existence, and who quietly blocks
from noticing everything that confirms His existence. In the result of
such moves, and numerous other similar steps described in the next
part of this post, God intentionally "confuses" people in the matter
of His own existence. This confusion decreasing peoples' belief to
such a low level, that "just in case" many of them begin to act as if
God does NOT exist at all. These people begin actively and on their
own risk seek the truth. They stubbornly fight with obstacles of fate.
They create inventions and make discoveries. Etc., etc. In this
manner, through continuous maintaining people in the uncertainty about
the existence of Himself, God actually stimulates the search for
knowledge and truth, scientific research, efforts, striving, progress,
etc. So with people God acts similarly like people do this with a
donkey - namely "in order to force a donkey to go forward, people
intentionally pull it backward". This continuous maintaining people in
uncertainty about the existence of God, allows also God to earn a
whole range of other benefits. For example, it allows Him to subject
individual people and the entire our civilisation to continuous tests
and exams, thus allowing Him to distinguish between valuable people -
which are worth to inspire and to protect, and a human trash - which
can be donated to fate as examples that are to teach others.
Of course, God does NOT destroy all evidence for His own existence.
Several well-hidden items of such evidence God leaves on the Earth for
those more stubborn seekers of truth. The philosophy of totalizm
already managed to discover and identify some amongst these hidden
items of evidence, and now disseminates these on various web pages -
e.g. see the web page "god_proof.htm" (about scientific evidence for
the existence of God). After all, if someone gets really stubborn,
then God always allows him or her to earn the certainty about the
God's existence. Only that He makes them to earn this certainty
through their own effort and after many sacrifices. This is why, in
spite that officially and loudly God allows His "simulations" to block
the access to publications of totalizm, that He openly helps critics
who throw mud on totalizm, and that He visibly promotes everything
that discourages people from reading publications of totalizm, quietly
God always opens the access to these publications and web pages for
stubborn seekers of truth - about whom He decided that they deserve to
get to know totalizm. This is why, if you (the reader) is NOT reading
these words just with the intention that this allows you to throw mud
on totalizm later, the sole fact that you come to read these words and
descriptions, is a proof that you belong to these few seekers of truth
whom God considers sufficiently mature and worthy to give them chances
for thinking-over the matters that are described here.
As it is explained above, in very vital interest of God lies
maintaining people in continuous uncertainty about the existence of
God. So in order to keep people continually in this uncertainty, God
developed and perpetually uses a whole range of various manners, ways,
methods, tricks, etc. For example, God causes that after the birth,
memories of our previous incarnations are blocked. Only very stubborn
seekers of truth can later unblock these memories with the use of
hypnosis. But even then their scepticism still forms barriers against
recognising these memories for what they really are. God also so
designed the human psychology, that everyone amongst us is especially
untrusting and sceptical in all God's matters. Thus, a typical person
would acquire the certainty of the existence of God only if he or she
could see and touch God - of course, to NO living people God grants
such a privilege.
Amongst a huge number of methods, ways, means, tricks, etc., which God
continually uses to keep people in the perpetual uncertainty about His
own existence, one group of these is strictly linked to the topic of
the totaliztic web page "evil.htm". This is a wide use of "evil" by
God, and His employment of "evil creatures". Namely, in order to be
able to illustratively suggest to people, that God does NOT exist, in
practically every area of life God noisily although anonymously (i.e.
not under His own name) promotes the prevalence of "evil".
Simultaneously, God also suppresses the emphasizing, and intentionally
hides, all manifestations of a good and morality. Of course, God does
all these in a way similar to an enthusiastic examiner, who uses
various tricks and traps to check how well his students mastered a
given subject area. Means, these people who allow to be misled by such
noisy promotion and actually give out to temptations, God later
mercilessly, and this time quietly, punish and persecute. In turn
these ones who stand by morality and in the defence of good, God
discretely and quietly rewards later.
In this noisy utilisation of "evil" for hiding His own existence, very
handy for God is the use of "simulation" of the existence and a
secretive activity on the Earth, of "evil creatures" which in most
ancient times were called "gods", later - although still in antiquity,
were called "devils", while presently are called with the ultra-modern
term "UFOnauts". After all, God is a master in "simulation". He
continually creates and destroys thousands of stars and planets, and
millions of human existences. Thus, for the use in such a simulation,
God is able to design appropriately, then temporally create, human-
like creatures (i.e. "UFOnauts") to which He transfers (i.e. "
possesses") His own awareness. Then with hands of these creatures God
can subject people to any manipulations, temptations, tests, and
tricks - which lie in interest of goals and intentions of God.
Finally, when these temporally created creatures fulfil their duties,
God again destroys them. The use of these creatures has also this
advantage, that everything that God does with their hands, appears as
if it has NOTHING to do with God. So it works perfectly towards making
impossible for people to gain a certainty about the existence of God.
The explanations presented above are adopted from items #F2 and #F3 of
the totaliztic web page "evil.htm", update of 3 September 2008, or
later. The latest update of this web page should be available from
several web sites of totalizm One amongst these web sites is " jan-
pajak.com " - which is available under the address http://jan-pajak.com
and which always presents for brief periods of time the most recently
updated web page of totalizm.
It is also worth to know that practically all totaliztic web pages are
availabe at each address (server) of totalizm. Therefore independently
from the web page "evil.htm", each address (server) linked from here
should also offer all other web pages of totalizm - unless some of
these pages were sabotaged, or are so new that I had no time yet to
upload these at a given address (server). (But in a case when for some
reasons a page is unavailable under a given address, still at this
address a MENU should be available which has links to other addresses
(servers) of totalizm, on which a given web page should already be
accessible.) Thus, if someone wishes to view descriptions from any
other totaliztic web page, e.g. from a web page listed in this post,
or listed in other totaliztic posts, then in the above addresses the
name "evil.htm" is just enough to exchange for a name of the web page
that he or she wishes to view, e.g. for the name of web page
"oscillatory_chamber.htm", "eco_cars.htm", "boiler.htm",
"fe_cell.htm", "free_energy.htm", "telekinetics.htm",
"dipolar_gravity.htm", "nirvana.htm", "totalizm.htm", "evil.htm",
"god.htm", "god_proof.htm", "bible.htm", "evolution.htm",
"wszewilki_jutra_uk.htm", "malbork_uk.htm", "memorial.htm",
"newzealand.htm", "partia_totalizmu_uk.htm", "fruit.htm",
"text_1_5.htm", "explain.htm", "day26.htm", "ufo_proof.htm",
"katrina.htm", etc., etc.
If here the above text is difficult to read, or links to web pages
cannot be published here, then it is worth to know that this post
together will all working links is repeated on several blogs of
totalizm, subsequent ones amongst which can be accessed at following
internet addresses:
http://www.getablog.net/totalizm
http://totalizm.wordpress.com
http://totalizm.blox.pl/html
http://totalizm.myblog.net
From these blogs it is also worth to read the post number #149E
entitled "Atheists make progress but neglect morality, believers do
the opposite". That post compares the influence that believers and
atheists exert at our civilisation. So the content of it complements
the content of the above post. It was also disccussed in Google
discussion groups, where it was available, amongst others, at the
address http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion/browse_thread/thread/d2327d9477eed94b#
.
With the totaliztic salute,
Jan Pajak
Langevinger66
> From these blogs it is also worth to read the post number #149E
> entitled "Atheists make progress but neglect morality, believers do
> the opposite". That post compares the influence that believers and
> atheists exert at our civilisation. So the content of it complements
> the content of the above post. It was also disccussed in Google
> discussion groups, where it was available, amongst others, at the
> .
>
> With the totaliztic salute,
> Jan Pajak
tss another one god verry boring
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjG47gtMCo&feature=rec-fresh
janp...@gmail.com
> tss another one god verry boringhttp://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjG47gtMCo&feature=rec-fresh
OK, so what the above proves and how it relates to the fact that God
intentionally keeps humens uncertain about the existence of God?
Langevinger66
clamato
> If we are to believe in claims of subsequent religious institutions,
> our planet Earth is packed with atheists, while only rare people
> believe in God.
<snip remainder of lies>
> With the totaliztic salute,
> Jan Pajak
This is, on its face, a completely fabricated story
to explain why a non-existent god would hide himself
from people. I would say it is arrogant to claim
to know the mind of god, but their ain't one, so
it's only stupid.
And this "totaliztic salute" is only to be rediculed.
It's like a marketing campaign from a small town
used car dealership.
Mark K. Bilbo
"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.
"Climb out of your holes people!"
- Dr. House, on faith
pba...@worldonline.nl
> If we are to believe in claims of subsequent religious institutions,
> our planet Earth is packed with atheists, while only rare people
> believe in God.
I do not know any religious institution that claims so
2
> Also such an opinion prevails amongst a majority of
> people, who are convinced that in present times individuals who
> believe in God are a real rarity.
I am sure only a small foolish minority thinks so.
3.
> Practically, almost 100% of people, at the bottom
> of their heart believe in the existence of some superior being with
> attributes of God.
Probably not more than 90%
4.
> But it
> is well known that presently the USA belongs to one amongst the most
> atheistic countries of our planet
In the USA 80% believes in a God.
The most atheistic country in the world is Czechia
But your main thesis is correct.
If their is a god, that god does not seem to want the people to know
about him.
Let's please that god:-)
Love.
Peter van Velzen
September 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
rlbell
> If we are to believe in claims of subsequent religious institutions,
> our planet Earth is packed with atheists, while only rare people
> believe in God.
I do not know where you live, but almost the reverse is true in most
of the world. Athiests are not rare, but they compose only a
minority. In Canada, they are outnumbered by just the catholics (no
data for other countries).
As to the answer to your question, there is none so blind as those who
will not see. The cosmologists claim that there may be an infinite
number of universes, so the fact that this one happens to be exactly
constructed to allow for our existence is evidence of nothing. Faced
with the inability to eliminate The Creator, they replace him with an
infinite number of monkeys. As each of the proposed infinite other
universes are outside our own, cosmologists are able to explain away
their lack of evidence with an inability to observe outside our own
universe.
duke
>janp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>
>Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
duke, American-American
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Syd M.
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:09:56 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>
>
> >"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>
> >Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>
> Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
>
Fancy that.
PDW
The Chief Instigator
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:09:56 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>
>>janp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>>
>>Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>
> Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
All of _your_ evidence, anyway.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Rockford 5, Houston 2 (April 25)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 11 vs. Chicago, 7:35
Mike Painter
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:05:57 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:09:56 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
>> <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>>
>>> janp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> "Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>>>
>>> Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>>
>> Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
>
> All of _your_ evidence, anyway.
No, he is right and as soon as they find some they will tell us.
Free Lunch
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
<3nsnc4ldhg7b2c32s...@4ax.com>:
>On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:09:56 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>
>>janp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>>
>>Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>
>Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
>
your claims. You know that.
Smiler
> On Sep 12, 11:29 pm, janpa...@gmail.com wrote:
>> If we are to believe in claims of subsequent religious institutions,
>> our planet Earth is packed with atheists, while only rare people
>> believe in God.
>
> I do not know where you live,
Nor what planet he's on.
but almost the reverse is true in most
> of the world. Athiests are not rare, but they compose only a
> minority. In Canada, they are outnumbered by just the catholics (no
> data for other countries).
>
> As to the answer to your question, there is none so blind as those who
> will not see. The cosmologists claim that there may be an infinite
> number of universes, so the fact that this one happens to be exactly
> constructed to allow for our existence is evidence of nothing.
The hole is not made to fit the puddle, moron.
The universe was here long before life of any kind, so our existence fits
the universe, not the other way round.
A different universe would have produced different forms of life that fitted
its parameters.
Unless you claim that a different shaped hole will not fit the puddle.
> Faced
> with the inability to eliminate The Creator,
There's no need to eliminate that which is neither neccessary nor in
evidence.
> they replace him with an
> infinite number of monkeys.
We call them theists.
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
janp...@gmail.com
> > >"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>
> > >Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>
> > Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
>
> And yet, you cannot actually produce this evidence.
> Fancy that.
>
> PDW
Surly youself, but only "perhaps" also he, are both unable to present
the scientific evidence for the existence of God. But I can indicate
such evidence. Actually, I managed to write an entire web page filled
up with scientific evidence for the existence of God. (Some examples
from this huge body of evidence I already discussed on the thread
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/0b85905d2dc9f083#c374dc041f3c5fdf
.) My web page also contains the "formal scientific proof for the
existence of God completed with methods of mathematical logic" - for
the summary of this formal proof see the thread
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.logic/browse_thread/thread/3511120c588e0a16/6c4ba1babcee49b5#6c4ba1babcee49b5
. The page with all this huge body of evidence is named
"god_proof.htm" and you can view it at any web page of "totalizm",
e.g. on the web page http://jan-pajak.com/god_proof.htm (to find other
addresses of that web page you need to run google.com and then type
the key words "Jan Pajak god_proof.htm" - but without quotes). So
please do NOT claim that there is NO evidence for the existence of
God, but just admit, that you are trying to play "donkey" from the
famous English proverb "you can bring a donkey to water, but you
cannot make it drink".
ca...@optonline.net
>On Sep 14, 2:57 am, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> > >"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>>
>> > >Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>>
>> > Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
>>
>> And yet, you cannot actually produce this evidence.
>> Fancy that.
>>
>> PDW
>
>Surly youself, but only "perhaps" also he, are both unable to present
>the scientific evidence for the existence of God. But I can indicate
>such evidence. Actually, I managed to write an entire web page filled
>up with scientific evidence for the existence of God. (Some examples
>from this huge body of evidence I already discussed on the thread
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/0b85905d2dc9f083#c374dc041f3c5fdf
What a fucking moron.
>.) My web page also contains the "formal scientific proof for the
>existence of God completed with methods of mathematical logic" - for
>the summary of this formal proof see the thread
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.logic/browse_thread/thread/3511120c588e0a16/6c4ba1babcee49b5#6c4ba1babcee49b5
>. The page with all this huge body of evidence is named
>"god_proof.htm" and you can view it at any web page of "totalizm",
>e.g. on the web page http://jan-pajak.com/god_proof.htm (to find other
>addresses of that web page you need to run google.com and then type
>the key words "Jan Pajak god_proof.htm" - but without quotes). So
>please do NOT claim that there is NO evidence for the existence of
>God, but just admit, that you are trying to play "donkey" from the
>famous English proverb "you can bring a donkey to water, but you
>cannot make it drink".
There is non, liar.
Like all these morons you put the cart before the horse.
You presume it and rationalise things that can be twisted to fit this
presumption.
It only fools yourself.
What you have to do is step aside from all your presumptions. Even the
concept.
Then conclude it from real world evidence.
>With the totaliztic salute,
With the two finger salute, imbecile.
>Jan Pajak
Alex W.
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:k5nsp5...@blaze.blaze.net...
> janp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> "Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>
> Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
Either that, or He plays a really sick game....
Art
wrote:
It's people that play sick games, not God.
Syd
> On Sep 14, 2:57 am, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > >"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>
> > > >Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>
> > > Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
>
> > And yet, you cannot actually produce this evidence.
> > Fancy that.
>
> > PDW
>
> Surly youself, but only "perhaps" also he, are both unable to present
> the scientific evidence for the existence of God. But I can indicate
> such evidence.
Uh huh.
More wishful thinking, I bet.
PDW
rlbell
> rlbell wrote:
>
>
> > As to the answer to your question, there is none so blind as those who
> > will not see. The cosmologists claim that there may be an infinite
> > number of universes, so the fact that this one happens to be exactly
> > constructed to allow for our existence is evidence of nothing.
>
> The hole is not made to fit the puddle, moron.
> The universe was here long before life of any kind, so our existence fits
> the universe, not the other way round.
> A different universe would have produced different forms of life that fitted
> its parameters.
> Unless you claim that a different shaped hole will not fit the puddle.
>
It is not that the universe had to be special merely to allow for
human life, but very few universes with random properties even have
stars, let alone chemical bonding. Given no heat gradients from star
light and no chemistry (or atoms besides hydrogen and helium), what
evidence do you have that there will be any kind of life?
On what evidence does the theory of infinite universes come from?
You apparently make a different leap of faith than I do, but leap you
do.
Devils Advocaat
> If we are to believe in claims of subsequent religious institutions,
> our planet Earth is packed with atheists, while only rare people
> believe in God.
The Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary gathers considerable data on
the various religions, denominations and non-religious types around
the world on a regular basis.
Their most recent publication gives the following mid-2007 estimates:
World Population: 6.616 billion
Christians: 2.196 billion
Non-Christians: 4.420 billion
And of this last figure, only 154 million are atheists.
Which is about 2.33% of the entire planetary population.
So perhaps the sources causing the concern expressed in your opening
statement are lumping the non-Christians in with the atheists to make
the world look bad.
Free Lunch
Devils Advocaat <mank...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
<e5ec9241-ea6d-421b...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>:
But don't forget that the family of religions known as "Christian"
disagrees so much with each other that there are thousands of
denominations, including denominations dishonestly entitled
'nondenominational'.
Bill M
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:09:56 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo>
> wrote:
>
>>janp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>>
>>Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>
> Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
Dukey, you keep making this claim but NEVER supply any OBJECTIVE VERFIABLE
EVIDENCE! Are you just dishonest or moronic???
Smiler
> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:3nsnc4ldhg7b2c32s...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:09:56 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
>> <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>>
>>> janp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> "Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>>>
>>> Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>>
>> Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
>
> Dukey, you keep making this claim but NEVER supply any OBJECTIVE
> VERFIABLE EVIDENCE! Are you just dishonest or moronic???
>
Both!
>> Puke, American-Moron
>> *****
>> "Masturbation is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>> Pope Paul VI
>> *****
Smiler
> On Sep 13, 8:15 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
>> rlbell wrote:
>>
>>
>>> As to the answer to your question, there is none so blind as those
>>> who will not see. The cosmologists claim that there may be an
>>> infinite number of universes, so the fact that this one happens to
>>> be exactly constructed to allow for our existence is evidence of
>>> nothing.
>>
>> The hole is not made to fit the puddle, moron.
>> The universe was here long before life of any kind, so our existence
>> fits the universe, not the other way round.
>> A different universe would have produced different forms of life
>> that fitted its parameters.
>> Unless you claim that a different shaped hole will not fit the
>> puddle.
>>
>
> It is not that the universe had to be special merely to allow for
> human life, but very few universes with random properties even have
> stars, let alone chemical bonding.
Your evidence for that is??
In fact, what evidence do you have that *there are* other universes?
> Given no heat gradients from star
> light and no chemistry (or atoms besides hydrogen and helium), what
> evidence do you have that there will be any kind of life?
First show evidence of these other universes and their make-up.
>
> On what evidence does the theory of infinite universes come from?
None, as far as I know. It is merely speculation and belief, much like
religion.
>
> You apparently make a different leap of faith than I do, but leap you
> do.
Where? How?
I'm only discussing *this* universe, the one we know exists, and no others.
Ronald Turner
Another subliminal confession to believing in God's existence.
Why, you even used a capital "H" ! Huh, imagine that.
But, if it makes you feel better, let's just call it a Freudian slip.
clamato
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 02:13:43 -0700 (PDT), janpa...@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Sep 14, 2:57 am, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>
> >> > >Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>
> >> > Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
>
> >> And yet, you cannot actually produce this evidence.
> >> Fancy that.
>
> >> PDW
>
> >Surly youself, but only "perhaps" also he, are both unable to present
> >the scientific evidence for the existence of God. But I can indicate
> >such evidence. Actually, I managed to write an entire web page filled
> >up with scientific evidence for the existence of God. (Some examples
> >from this huge body of evidence I already discussed on the thread
>
> What a fucking moron.
>
> >.) My web page also contains the "formal scientific proof for the
> >existence of God completed with methods of mathematical logic" - for
> >the summary of this formal proof see the thread
> >. The page with all this huge body of evidence is named
> >"god_proof.htm" and you can view it at any web page of "totalizm",
> >addresses of that web page you need to run google.com and then type
> >the key words "Jan Pajak god_proof.htm" - but without quotes). So
> >please do NOT claim that there is NO evidence for the existence of
> >God,
The poster here who signs with
the signature:
>With the totaliztic salute,
>Jan Pajak
...has a webpage at:
http://jan-pajak.com/god_proof.htm
...in which he claims that a tree
in Nalgonda, India has excreted images
of animals, which proves the existence
of god.
It turns out that this tree is
nothing more than a Disney exhibit
at Epcot center, titled "Tree of
Life". See the images
here:
http://www.mixedandmotions.com/2008/07/walt-disney-world-animal-kingdom-and.html
and here:
http://philosophyrecycled.blogspot.com/2008/05/mysterious-tree-in-nalgonda-false.html
What a freakin' maroon.
Mark K. Bilbo
Wow. Grasp those straws...
Ronald Turner
> Ronald Turner wrote:
>> Alex W. wrote:
>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>>> news:k5nsp5...@blaze.blaze.net...
>>>> janp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>>>>
>>>> Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>>>
>>> Either that, or He plays a really sick game....
>>>
>>
>> Another subliminal confession to believing in God's existence.
>>
>> Why, you even used a capital "H" ! Huh, imagine that.
>>
>> But, if it makes you feel better, let's just call it a Freudian slip.
>
> Wow. Grasp those straws...
(Three and a half hours of mostly one-liners. I wonder what Dr. Freud
would have to say about that?)
Anyway, you, in an attempt to lessen the impact, of course, are going to
call it a "straw". I, on the other hand, call it "interesting
circumstantial evidence".
Horses for courses, wouldn't you say ?
Opus-
spake thusly:
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:09:56 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>janp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>>>
>>>Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>>
>> Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
>
>Dukey, you keep making this claim but NEVER supply any OBJECTIVE VERFIABLE
>EVIDENCE! Are you just dishonest or moronic???
Can I vote? I vote *moronic*
--
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Syd
> "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> > On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:09:56 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo>
> > wrote:
>
>
> >>"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>
> >>Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>
> > Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
>
> Dukey, you keep making this claim but NEVER supply any OBJECTIVE VERFIABLE
> EVIDENCE! Are you just dishonest or moronic???
>
PDW
Syd
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:46:02 +0100, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net>
> spake thusly:
>
>
>
>
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> >news:3nsnc4ldhg7b2c32s...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:09:56 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo>
> >> wrote:
>
>
> >>>"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>
> >>>Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>
> >> Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
>
> >Dukey, you keep making this claim but NEVER supply any OBJECTIVE VERFIABLE
> >EVIDENCE! Are you just dishonest or moronic???
>
> Can I vote? I vote *moronic*
>
PDW
Yap
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote in messagenews:k5nsp5...@blaze.blaze.net...
>
>
> > "Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>
> > Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>
> Either that, or He plays a really sick game....
No, Alex.
He is in no existence to play any game, sick or otherwise.