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On 26/05/2012 4:57 AM, Mike Lovell wrote:
> On 2012-05-25, Christopher A Lee<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:39:31 -0500, Mike Lovell
>> <mike....@null.local> wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed the other day the group "alt.atheism.moderated", which was
>>> going very strong up until the moderated died.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Adams
>>>
>>> The rules laid down seem to be very level headed, and did not exclude
>>> theists. Just trolls, something we have a big issue with, and
>>> "preaching".
>>>
>>> The rules (old ones anyhow) can be found here http://tinyurl.com/ck3sjgk
>>>
>>> Couple of open questions:
>>>
>>> i) Was anyone here today a regular poster at
>>> "alt.atheism.moderated"?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> I was, and several of the other old timers.
>>
>> It has been moribund for a long time.
>
> Indeed it has.
>
>>> ii) Does anyone here have any strong feelings
>>> for or against trying to revive a moderated
>>> atheism newsgroup? (If so, please be as verbose
>>> as possible)
Atheists should not have to compete in the marketplace of ideas
because they have nothing of value to exchange.
The Sheltered Workshop and rest home for tired atheist 'intellects'
henceforth known as Atheist Pleasantville, must go ahead so that
atheists don't have to have their idea challenged any more.
>> It was set up in the mid 1990s because of the amount of noise here and
>> was successful for a few years.
The rest of USENET urges atheists to seek the peace and quiet of a
controlled atheist orthodoxy.. freedom of thought really is not your
thing, you find the ideas of others to be annoying and want them
eradicated... this is a far more humane solution.. like a giant
Killfile where atheists retire en mass to the parlour and lock
themselves in.
B^]
Think of the endless self-congratulation, backslapping and mutual tool
fondling with no one making fun of you!
alt.atheism.satire has increasingly become a place where ATHEISM is
satirised, rather than atheits satirising everyone else.. so it should
be abandoned.. oh hang on.. I'm told it already has been! B^]
>> I used to have philosophical objections to moderated groups because
>> they shouldn't really be necessary, and I don't like other people
>> deciding whether my posts are appropriate or not.
But you have overcome your objection so long as it's your posts that are
allowed, because you are an Atheist Pleasantville Regular, and it's the
other guy who gets censored.
Atheist democracy: only the Party Members may speak! B^D
>> Over time there were several moderators, at least one of whom used to
>> moderate on his opinion and objected to on-topic posts from atheists
>> including some responses of mine explaining the difference between
>> atheism and agnosticism.
Oh, you wouldn't want to exclude racism, sexism, misogyny,
threats of violence or any other perversion from 'regulars'
like this:
Exhibit A:
# From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Merry Christmas
# Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
# Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
#
# Hello Folks;
#
# I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
# and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
#
# Cheers,
# John
Exhibit B:
# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.
Now exhibit A is rude, provocative and an affront to the Sensibilities
of the Pleasantvilly Chamber of Commerce and the Central Party
Committeee, it should obviously be rejected as noise, or 'preaching'
or some other pretexh.
Whereas exhibit B is a reasonable response and should be allowed.
You just want to screen out the ideas you don't like..
like EVERY ATHEIST REGIME in History, you want CENSORSHIP! B^]
Go for it, I say!!!
Show the world that atheism IS afraid of the open exchange of ideas,
that it opposes FREEDOM of THOUGHT and BELEIF and that the Atheist
regimes were not abberrations, but the ATHEIST NORM! B^]
> Yes this I think is why a democratic method is required. A majority
> vote should be needed by current moderators to remove/add new
> moderators.
But only a majority of the Card Carrying Regulars And Partymembers
(CCRAP). B^D
You don't want a real democracy! No atheist regime ever had one!
> Clear violations of the rules (blocking based on opinion) should prompt
> a vote for removal.
Precisely how counter-revolutionaries were dealt with by the Bolsheviks,
and Galileo browbeaten by the Church! B^]
>> Eventually there was a robo-moderator that accepted posts from
>> regulars,
And there you have it.
Galileo was a believer, he wouldn't have qualified as a Regular Guy.
Regulars define who is 'Regular' in Pleasantville!!!
Galileo's ideas would be too radical, not Regular enough.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAA
Note the Difference between the USA, other free, open and democratic
states, which all allow atheists the SAME RIGHTS to FREE SPEECH
as the majority theist have, and Atheist Pleasantville, where
theists and agnostics that are not approved by the Central Party
Committee would be SILENCED.
Just like every atheist tyranny in history!
And to think, for two years these atheist hypocrites have been
pretending that the atheist tyrannies were tyrannies because of the
Communist ideology, when clearly the anti-theist propaganda
and elimination of even the agnostics and other dissenters, is the
ATHEIST'S work!!!! 8^o
Aren't we all glad that is now out in the open.
B^]
But the USSR also used to brand dissidents as 'mentally Ill'
and have them incarcerated in Asylums and drugged...
surely Atheist Pleasantville wouldn't want to miss out on that fun?
>> rejected those from the loonies
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
Every TYRANNY defines the ideas they don't like as lunacy and
persecutes those who challenge the orthodoxy.
This is the new billboard when entering Atheist Pleasantville:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DlaQClK_n6o/Txk5t8VAbgI/AAAAAAAAF3k/i2oPJ3VZRuk/s1600/Censorship+Logo+2.jpg
>> and routed posts from new or
>> suspected user to a human moderator.
"We support Regulars Only - No Blacks, Dogs or Agnostics"
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Qe1wgxDiEdU/THf7nXKzH0I/AAAAAAAAB1E/LtwY5PCipjk/s400/Racial-Discrimination-And-Hispanics-In-The-United-States.jpg
> This is a good idea, something that could be used.
>
> Say 'x' months of rule-breaking free posting history could result in a
> white-listing.
If'n youse White, you allright,
if you theist or black, get back,
If you agnostic or brown, stick around....
B^D
> Allowing auto-approval until a violation occurs.
Sure thing, and Licking the Grand Wizards arse should get you
an Atheist Pleasantville Costume:
es.coloribus.com/files/adsarchive/part_52/527755/file/unicum-ku-klux-klan-small-26453.jpg
Only atheist sheep would swallow this!
>> Most of its subscribers also subscribed to alt.atheism and
>> talk.atheism.
>>
>> A better solution would be similar to talk.origins, to make the main
>> newsgroup moderated.
Just Try it! B^]
>> But I don't think you can do that retrospectively in the alt.hierarchy
>> - even if providers followed the Usenet rules.
>
> Indeed, it would be a problem.
Oh, you think? B^D
A decade ago a small group of racist rednecks applied to have
aus.culture.true-blue become a moderated NG under their control.
Fair Dinkum true-blues opposed such an assault on free speech and told
them to fuck off and create their OWN NG,
aus.culture.true-blue.controlled or
aus.culture.true-blue.sheltered-workshop
They lost the vote and realising they were a tiny rump
which would probably wither and die they never proceeded
with creating a new, moderated sheltered workshop.
I urge the atheist purists, who really are too good for the rest of us,
to launch themselves ina hermetically sealed pod so they are free
of the annoying majority and the majority are FIANLLY, FREE OF THEM!
WHOOOOOOO HOOOOOO! B^D
Please do us all a favour and
CONFINE YOURSELVES TO A PERMANENT KILLFILE IN PLANET PLEASANTVILLE!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA o
>>> iii) Does anyone here have any strong feelings
>>> for or against any of the original rules for
>>> the moderated newsgroup (see the tinyurl link)?
>>> (If so, which ones and why)
>>
>> Not really.
Rule 6 Must be rigourously enforced:
6. No cross-posts can be approved.
>>> iv) Would anyone here like to add any new rules
>>> to the list? (if so, what and why)
Rule 12: Posts must not exceed a number of lines that is less
than the posters IQ divided by their hat size,
because many atheists complain that long complex arguments 'hurtz
our branes' and you really don't want them whining like little bitches
endlessly.
>>> - AND -
>>>
>>> Would anyone like to nominate someone (or themselves) to act as one of
>>> the moderators should it go forward?
use robo-moderator, it's more intelligent than the other cantidates.
>>> (There would be a group rather than one, to prevent a repeat of the
>>> "alt.atheism.moderated" fiasco).
>>
>> While I would support its revival I don't want to be one of the
>> moderators - I don't even want to see the off-topic rubbish.
>
> :-)
>
> I have a funny feeling your name will be suggested.
seconded!
> Bear in mind that these days a lot of the rubbish can be filtered out
> before it even reaches human eyes. Regular abusers can just be black
> listed, a long with suspect addresses and things that match certain
> filters.
Virgil asked me to inquire on his behalf: Is post forging allowed?
Otherwise he will have to stay here with us.
Oh shit, I never should have passed his question on, now I'm
sure you will say you only supported it when he was forging the posts of
non-atheists because none of you want him in your Country Club!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>>> They would need to be reasonably technically competent (or technical
>>> minded enough to gain that competency), to the level of using command
>>> line tools and editors - cross platform. And be able to follow the
>>> agreed posting rules regardless of their personal feelings.
>>
>> That was a problem last time round.
Yes, trotsky complained bitterly about the way Stalin acted on his
personal feelings.
Or he would have if the ice pick hadn't destroyed the speech centres in
his brain.
> Democracy and integrity is what we need.
And you have such a history of needing it: The USSR, Maoist China,
Pol Pot's Year Zero, the North Korean Pleasantville Paradise. B^D
> Anyone should be able to point out that a moderator is violating rules
> and prompt a call for their removal/replacement.
But of course unless they are a Regular Pleasantville Atheist
their calls for justice will be processed by the Murderator:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Society/Pix/pictures/2009/7/14/1247570238042/Landfill-site-in-Mucking--001.jpg
---------
The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com.au/
- Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm
---------
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
> On 2012-05-25, Christopher A Lee<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:39:31 -0500, Mike Lovell
>> <mike....@null.local> wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed the other day the group "alt.atheism.moderated", which was
>>> going very strong up until the moderated died.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Adams
>>>
>>> The rules laid down seem to be very level headed, and did not exclude
>>> theists. Just trolls, something we have a big issue with, and
>>> "preaching".
>>>
>>> The rules (old ones anyhow) can be found here http://tinyurl.com/ck3sjgk
>>>
>>> Couple of open questions:
>>>
>>> i) Was anyone here today a regular poster at
>>> "alt.atheism.moderated"?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> I was, and several of the other old timers.
>>
>> It has been moribund for a long time.
>
> Indeed it has.
>
>>> ii) Does anyone here have any strong feelings
>>> for or against trying to revive a moderated
>>> atheism newsgroup? (If so, please be as verbose
>>> as possible)
Atheists should not have to compete in the marketplace of ideas
because they have nothing of value to exchange.
The Sheltered Workshop and rest home for tired atheist 'intellects'
henceforth known as Atheist Pleasantville, must go ahead so that
atheists don't have to have their idea challenged any more.
>> It was set up in the mid 1990s because of the amount of noise here and
>> was successful for a few years.
The rest of USENET urges atheists to seek the peace and quiet of a
controlled atheist orthodoxy.. freedom of thought really is not your
thing, you find the ideas of others to be annoying and want them
eradicated... this is a far more humane solution.. like a giant
Killfile where atheists retire en mass to the parlour and lock
themselves in.
B^]
Think of the endless self-congratulation, backslapping and mutual tool
fondling with no one making fun of you!
alt.atheism.satire has increasingly become a place where ATHEISM is
satirised, rather than atheits satirising everyone else.. so it should
be abandoned.. oh hang on.. I'm told it already has been! B^]
>> I used to have philosophical objections to moderated groups because
>> they shouldn't really be necessary, and I don't like other people
>> deciding whether my posts are appropriate or not.
But you have overcome your objection so long as it's your posts that are
allowed, because you are an Atheist Pleasantville Regular, and it's the
other guy who gets censored.
Atheist democracy: only the Party Members may speak! B^D
>> Over time there were several moderators, at least one of whom used to
>> moderate on his opinion and objected to on-topic posts from atheists
>> including some responses of mine explaining the difference between
>> atheism and agnosticism.
Oh, you wouldn't want to exclude racism, sexism, misogyny,
threats of violence or any other perversion from 'regulars'
like this:
Exhibit A:
# From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Merry Christmas
# Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
# Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
#
# Hello Folks;
#
# I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
# and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
#
# Cheers,
# John
Exhibit B:
# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.
Now exhibit A is rude, provocative and an affront to the Sensibilities
of the Pleasantvilly Chamber of Commerce and the Central Party
Committeee, it should obviously be rejected as noise, or 'preaching'
or some other pretexh.
Whereas exhibit B is a reasonable response and should be allowed.
You just want to screen out the ideas you don't like..
like EVERY ATHEIST REGIME in History, you want CENSORSHIP! B^]
Go for it, I say!!!
Show the world that atheism IS afraid of the open exchange of ideas,
that it opposes FREEDOM of THOUGHT and BELEIF and that the Atheist
regimes were not abberrations, but the ATHEIST NORM! B^]
> Yes this I think is why a democratic method is required. A majority
> vote should be needed by current moderators to remove/add new
> moderators.
But only a majority of the Card Carrying Regulars And Partymembers
(CCRAP). B^D
You don't want a real democracy! No atheist regime ever had one!
> Clear violations of the rules (blocking based on opinion) should prompt
> a vote for removal.
Precisely how counter-revolutionaries were dealt with by the Bolsheviks,
and Galileo browbeaten by the Church! B^]
>> Eventually there was a robo-moderator that accepted posts from
>> regulars,
And there you have it.
Galileo was a believer, he wouldn't have qualified as a Regular Guy.
Regulars define who is 'Regular' in Pleasantville!!!
Galileo's ideas would be too radical, not Regular enough.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAA
Note the Difference between the USA, other free, open and democratic
states, which all allow atheists the SAME RIGHTS to FREE SPEECH
as the majority theist have, and Atheist Pleasantville, where
theists and agnostics that are not approved by the Central Party
Committee would be SILENCED.
Just like every atheist tyranny in history!
And to think, for two years these atheist hypocrites have been
pretending that the atheist tyrannies were tyrannies because of the
Communist ideology, when clearly the anti-theist propaganda
and elimination of even the agnostics and other dissenters, is the
ATHEIST'S work!!!! 8^o
Aren't we all glad that is now out in the open.
B^]
But the USSR also used to brand dissidents as 'mentally Ill'
and have them incarcerated in Asylums and drugged...
surely Atheist Pleasantville wouldn't want to miss out on that fun?
>> rejected those from the loonies
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
Every TYRANNY defines the ideas they don't like as lunacy and
persecutes those who challenge the orthodoxy.
This is the new billboard when entering Atheist Pleasantville:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DlaQClK_n6o/Txk5t8VAbgI/AAAAAAAAF3k/i2oPJ3VZRuk/s1600/Censorship+Logo+2.jpg
>> and routed posts from new or
>> suspected user to a human moderator.
"We support Regulars Only - No Blacks, Dogs or Agnostics"
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Qe1wgxDiEdU/THf7nXKzH0I/AAAAAAAAB1E/LtwY5PCipjk/s400/Racial-Discrimination-And-Hispanics-In-The-United-States.jpg
> This is a good idea, something that could be used.
>
> Say 'x' months of rule-breaking free posting history could result in a
> white-listing.
If'n youse White, you allright,
if you theist or black, get back,
If you agnostic or brown, stick around....
B^D
> Allowing auto-approval until a violation occurs.
Sure thing, and Licking the Grand Wizards arse should get you
an Atheist Pleasantville Costume:
es.coloribus.com/files/adsarchive/part_52/527755/file/unicum-ku-klux-klan-small-26453.jpg
Only atheist sheep would swallow this!
>> Most of its subscribers also subscribed to alt.atheism and
>> talk.atheism.
>>
>> A better solution would be similar to talk.origins, to make the main
>> newsgroup moderated.
Just Try it! B^]
>> But I don't think you can do that retrospectively in the alt.hierarchy
>> - even if providers followed the Usenet rules.
>
> Indeed, it would be a problem.
Oh, you think? B^D
A decade ago a small group of racist rednecks applied to have
aus.culture.true-blue become a moderated NG under their control.
Fair Dinkum true-blues opposed such an assault on free speech and told
them to fuck off and create their OWN NG,
aus.culture.true-blue.controlled or
aus.culture.true-blue.sheltered-workshop
They lost the vote and realising they were a tiny rump
which would probably wither and die they never proceeded
with creating a new, moderated sheltered workshop.
I urge the atheist purists, who really are too good for the rest of us,
to launch themselves ina hermetically sealed pod so they are free
of the annoying majority and the majority are FIANLLY, FREE OF THEM!
WHOOOOOOO HOOOOOO! B^D
Please do us all a favour and
CONFINE YOURSELVES TO A PERMANENT KILLFILE IN PLANET PLEASANTVILLE!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA o
>>> iii) Does anyone here have any strong feelings
>>> for or against any of the original rules for
>>> the moderated newsgroup (see the tinyurl link)?
>>> (If so, which ones and why)
>>
>> Not really.
Rule 6 Must be rigourously enforced:
6. No cross-posts can be approved.
>>> iv) Would anyone here like to add any new rules
>>> to the list? (if so, what and why)
Rule 12: Posts must not exceed a number of lines that is less
than the posters IQ divided by their hat size,
because many atheists complain that long complex arguments 'hurtz
our branes' and you really don't want them whining like little bitches
endlessly.
>>> - AND -
>>>
>>> Would anyone like to nominate someone (or themselves) to act as one of
>>> the moderators should it go forward?
use robo-moderator, it's more intelligent than the other cantidates.
>>> (There would be a group rather than one, to prevent a repeat of the
>>> "alt.atheism.moderated" fiasco).
>>
>> While I would support its revival I don't want to be one of the
>> moderators - I don't even want to see the off-topic rubbish.
>
> :-)
>
> I have a funny feeling your name will be suggested.
seconded!
> Bear in mind that these days a lot of the rubbish can be filtered out
> before it even reaches human eyes. Regular abusers can just be black
> listed, a long with suspect addresses and things that match certain
> filters.
Virgil asked me to inquire on his behalf: Is post forging allowed?
Otherwise he will have to stay here with us.
Oh shit, I never should have passed his question on, now I'm
sure you will say you only supported it when he was forging the posts of
non-atheists because none of you want him in your Country Club!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>>> They would need to be reasonably technically competent (or technical
>>> minded enough to gain that competency), to the level of using command
>>> line tools and editors - cross platform. And be able to follow the
>>> agreed posting rules regardless of their personal feelings.
>>
>> That was a problem last time round.
Yes, trotsky complained bitterly about the way Stalin acted on his
personal feelings.
Or he would have if the ice pick hadn't destroyed the speech centres in
his brain.
> Democracy and integrity is what we need.
And you have such a history of needing it: The USSR, Maoist China,
Pol Pot's Year Zero, the North Korean Pleasantville Paradise. B^D
> Anyone should be able to point out that a moderator is violating rules
> and prompt a call for their removal/replacement.
But of course unless they are a Regular Pleasantville Atheist
their calls for justice will be processed by the Murderator:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Society/Pix/pictures/2009/7/14/1247570238042/Landfill-site-in-Mucking--001.jpg
---------
The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com.au/
- Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm
---------
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
fasgnadh
May 26, 2012, 11:55:39 AM5/26/12
to
On 26/05/2012 3:59 AM, Joe Bruno wrote:
> of the moderators.
That's why it's PERFECT for atheists:
http://www.hubertlerch.com/images/Lenin5.jpg
http://www.modelgovernment.org/images/great-stalin1.jpg
http://www.theredbrick.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/mao.jpg
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/pol-pot2.jpg
http://asiancorrespondent.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/KimJongUn-621x478.jpg
Steve Knight aka Warlord Fluffy:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com.au/2009/09/meet-fluffy-bawaa-factions-new-warlord.html
> On Friday, May 25, 2012 9:39:31 AM UTC-7, Mike Lovell wrote:
>> I noticed the other day the group "alt.atheism.moderated", which was
>> going very strong up until the moderated died.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Adams
>>
>> The rules laid down seem to be very level headed, and did not exclude
>> theists. Just trolls, something we have a big issue with, and
>> "preaching".
>>
>> The rules (old ones anyhow) can be found here http://tinyurl.com/ck3sjgk
>
> I've posted on 3 moderated groups. They always turn into a personal tyranny
>> I noticed the other day the group "alt.atheism.moderated", which was
>> going very strong up until the moderated died.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Adams
>>
>> The rules laid down seem to be very level headed, and did not exclude
>> theists. Just trolls, something we have a big issue with, and
>> "preaching".
>>
>> The rules (old ones anyhow) can be found here http://tinyurl.com/ck3sjgk
>
> of the moderators.
That's why it's PERFECT for atheists:
http://www.hubertlerch.com/images/Lenin5.jpg
http://www.modelgovernment.org/images/great-stalin1.jpg
http://www.theredbrick.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/mao.jpg
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/pol-pot2.jpg
http://asiancorrespondent.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/KimJongUn-621x478.jpg
Steve Knight aka Warlord Fluffy:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com.au/2009/09/meet-fluffy-bawaa-factions-new-warlord.html
Immortalist
May 26, 2012, 12:07:40 PM5/26/12
to
On May 26, 8:28 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> ii) Does anyone here have any strong feelings
> >>> for or against trying to revive a moderated
> >>> atheism newsgroup? (If so, please be as verbose
> >>> as possible)
>
> Atheists should not have to compete in the marketplace of ideas
> because they have nothing of value to exchange.
>
But what if humans have been just accidentally generated in a blind
>
> >>> ii) Does anyone here have any strong feelings
> >>> for or against trying to revive a moderated
> >>> atheism newsgroup? (If so, please be as verbose
> >>> as possible)
>
> Atheists should not have to compete in the marketplace of ideas
> because they have nothing of value to exchange.
>
and purposeless cosmic process. Wouldn't the Atheist wank have
something of value to add to this absurd reality?
http://atheism.about.com/od/existentialistthemes/a/absurd.htm
Uirgil
May 26, 2012, 5:38:18 PM5/26/12
to
In article <bE6wr.7515$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
Alain de Botton, is a Swiss writer, philosopher, television
presenter entrepreneur and atheist... he has published bestselling
books including:
How Proust Can Change Your Life (1997)
The Consolations of Philosophy (2000)
The Art of Travel (2002)
Status Anxiety (2004)
The Architecture of Happiness (2006)
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work (2009)
A Week at the Airport (2009)
Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses
of Religion (2012)
And his main thesis in that last book is that theist religions are no
longer of any social use, since all of their virtues are readily
available to modern societies, and are quite often already incorporated
into those societies, but without any of the inevitable theist vices.
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
Alain de Botton, is a Swiss writer, philosopher, television
presenter entrepreneur and atheist... he has published bestselling
books including:
How Proust Can Change Your Life (1997)
The Consolations of Philosophy (2000)
The Art of Travel (2002)
Status Anxiety (2004)
The Architecture of Happiness (2006)
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work (2009)
A Week at the Airport (2009)
Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses
of Religion (2012)
And his main thesis in that last book is that theist religions are no
longer of any social use, since all of their virtues are readily
available to modern societies, and are quite often already incorporated
into those societies, but without any of the inevitable theist vices.
Uirgil
May 26, 2012, 5:40:30 PM5/26/12
to
In article <R17wr.7302$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
> launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
> The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
> launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
> atheists are interested in talking about it:
Alain de Botton, is a Swiss writer, philosopher, television
presenter entrepreneur and atheist... he has published bestselling
books including:
How Proust Can Change Your Life (1997)
The Consolations of Philosophy (2000)
The Art of Travel (2002)
Status Anxiety (2004)
The Architecture of Happiness (2006)
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work (2009)
A Week at the Airport (2009)
Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses
of Religion (2012)
And his main thesis in that last book is that theist religions are no
longer of any social use, since all of their virtues are readily
available to modern societies, and are quite often already incorporated
into those societies, but without any of those theist vices.
presenter entrepreneur and atheist... he has published bestselling
books including:
How Proust Can Change Your Life (1997)
The Consolations of Philosophy (2000)
The Art of Travel (2002)
Status Anxiety (2004)
The Architecture of Happiness (2006)
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work (2009)
A Week at the Airport (2009)
Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses
of Religion (2012)
And his main thesis in that last book is that theist religions are no
longer of any social use, since all of their virtues are readily
available to modern societies, and are quite often already incorporated
dolf
May 26, 2012, 6:03:01 PM5/26/12
to
Why do atheists get married when its a religious notion controlled by
the State?
Not even dogs marry except in China.
Telos [122J3W1D] = Arch [3W1D] + c² [9(9²+1)/2]
If the circumference of the circle is PI (or rational PI), what then is
the centre?
Well Yes, it will bring about the global collapse of the Catholic Church
How should we the Free, Celebrate this the Queen's Jubilee?
We are not free and endure human rights abuses from catholic dogs.
"We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair."
What gives BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com) away is his unusual
capacity as a claimed atheist, to call the Pontiff holy when he is in
fact perverse.
It would appear that once again, we have mongrel catholic dogs engaged
in public campaigns of disinformation and vilification of the truth,
which diminishes our human rights.
dolf: “Wasn’t the Pope recently asked on: ‘Creationists need [for a]
Catholic vision’?”
BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com): “Lets hope the Holy Pontiff
sets many creationists back on the right path.”
Vurgil or Uirgit? (vur...@arg.erg / uir...@uirgil.ur): “It would be a
great improvement.”
dolf: “He knows Greedy!”
BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com): “From what I understand.”
Vurgil or Uirgit? (vur...@arg.erg / uir...@uirgil.ur): “Which is nothing!”
dolf: “Is it painful? Very soon being Roman Catholic will be prima
facie proof of guilt in claims of crimes against the dignity of the
'Sovereign Autonomy' made under the Commonwealth of Australia.”
#20 / .jackNote@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 7 [Super: #397 / #46 -
Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Creative
Principle/Heaven; Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #403 / #7 - Intentional
Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 -
Closed Mouth] {Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: Form of Nature {Autonomous
Nature}}}
In relation to this notion of The Decade is the meaning of Yom Kippur as
a ritual of nullification held over a 10 day period commencing a new
Moon on 18 September 2001 (as my particular interest for synchronising
the centre of the Grapple Temporal / Noumenal Reality for a 5 day period
being #41 on 13 September 2001 as a centrifugal model comprising septet
#369 magic squares with the solar / lunar chronological cycle and
rational representation of PI / ENNEAD) and the Dead Sea Scroll
chronological principle which is a cosmological straight line--hence
transcendent--in having a starting point on the Equinox of Wednesday 20
March 1996 with a new Moon on Thursday 21 March for a base 7 Numbering
system intrinsic to the cosmogony as rational representation of PI.
In that for 3 x 364 days = 1092 days there was a lunar/solar comparison
of 3 x 354 lunar years + 30 days = 1092 days. There are in a cycle of 5
x 364 days + 182 days (as a 1/2 cycle) two fragments in the Dead Sea
Scroll relics related to the 1st day of the 7th solar month as occurring
on 12 September 2001 and the 21st priestly course starting on Sunday 16
September 2001 which fragment also brings together an association of the
solar and lunar cycles which appear to have been a readily observable
phenomenon.
In that this has according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a reprise in a 294 x
364 day years as 6 Jubilees or 293 x 365.2423 days (just short of the
tropical years, but technologically better than the Julian calendar of
365.25 days instigated in 45 BCE and reformed in 1582 CE (1751 CE in
British Empire) by the Gregorian calendar reforms due to an
intercalation error resulting in a lost of synchronicity comprising a
magnitude loss of one day every 128 years. This forms the basis for
arguing a metaphysical and cosmological origin of language as 22
elements of the Hebrew letters which is otherwise shown geometrically as
an indestructible object (atom) in the association of the 10 as Decade
(as Greek and Ennead as Egyptian notions) and counts (number) and the 22
letters as 3 horizontal (Mother letters), 7 vertical lines (Double
letters) and 12 diagonal lines (Single letters):
Kabbalistic Tree of Life
ATZILUTH {1st as “World of Emanation” also known as Olam Atzilut, עולם
אצילות in Hebrew}
BRIYAH {2nd as “World of Creation” also known as Olam Briyah, עולם בריאה
in Hebrew}
YETZIRAH {3rd as “World of Formation” also known as Olam Yetsirah, עולם
יצירה in Hebrew}
ASSIYAH {4th as “World of Action” also known as Olam Asiyah, עולם עשיה
in Hebrew}
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/tree.gif
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png
This is Chaldean / Babylonian in Origins: Hebrew letters as described in
the “Sefer Yetzirah”
YETZIRAH as in “Making" is as opposed to BRIYAH as in "Creating"
Actually taking whatever matter that was created in the BRIYAH and
shaping it into the basic elements.
It is also possible to divide the number of days in 400 years in the
Gregorian calendar reforms as 146,097 days by 7 and that when made
divisible by 22 to obtain the remainder, and to arrange the Hebrew
letters in a pattern which has a remainder of #13 as being in the middle
of the Chinese 2 BCE published DAO TE CHING / I CHING division of the
year into 364.5 days and the Jewish Kabbalah equivalent which deployed a
magic square of #369 having a distinct mathematical property at centre
of #41 for the equivalent date of 13 September.
#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE
MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic transformative
prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE,
#111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
+ (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/toth9.gif
#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE
In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and www.Torah.org]
dolf: “Fascist Dogs BroilJAB & Uergil discuss their creation denial!”
BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com): “The deviant creationists twist
and turn, twist the words of the faithful.
Sad it is to see them like this.”
Uergil (Uer...@uer.net): “If there is any damnation, it is the nation
creationists inhabit.”
dolf: “Vurgil or Uirgit? (vur...@arg.erg / uir...@uirgil.ur)
Or is it now Uergil?
Creationist denial has its roots in German political theatre.
Numerological and mystic speculation was especially rife amongst German
Romantics and Naturphilosophien during the nineteenth century and grew
out of ancient teleological speculations concerning the harmonious
distribution of the heavenly bodies. Such speculation was by no means
confined to the celestial motions; in 1818 the Kantian mineralogist
Christian Weiss even argues for a link between aspects of
rhombic-dodecahedral crystal structure and the musical scale of tones!
However, such flights of imaginative fancy generally had little impact
upon the work of serious scientists; with one notable exception.
In 1766 Johann Daniel Titius von Wittenberg was preparing a German
translation of Charles Bonnet’s Contemplation de la Nature. To the
section on planetary motions he added a now famous footnote pointing out
that the radii of all the planetary orbits can be generated by the
following simple algorithm, where r is measured in astronomical units (1
AU = 1.496 x 1013 cm):
rn = 0.4 + 0.3 x 2n; n = 0,1,2…
This formula provided a striking approximation for the distance from the
Sun to the six then-known planets: Mercury {Measured: 0.39, Predicted:
0.4}, Venus {Measured: 0.72, Predicted: 0.7}, Earth {Measured: 1.00,
Predicted: 1.0}, Mars {Measured: 1.52, Predicted: 1.6}, Jupiter
{Measured: 5.20, Predicted: 5.2}, Saturn {Measured: 9.55, Predicted:
10.0}. Their measured distances from the Sun at the time of the Law’s
inception are indicated together with Titius’ predictions. [Rediscovery
of the Anthropic Principle, John Barrow & Frank Tipler, The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, © 1996, p 221]
There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.
To hell with you!”
#21 / .jackNote@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 7, nous: 67 [Super: #313 / #24 -
Important Distinctions, Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay;
Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #462 / #67 - Three Treasures; I-Ching: H10 -
Tread Carefully; Tetra: 48 - Ritual] {Autonomous Nature {MOTHER: Scales
of Liability}}
the State?
Not even dogs marry except in China.
Telos [122J3W1D] = Arch [3W1D] + c² [9(9²+1)/2]
If the circumference of the circle is PI (or rational PI), what then is
the centre?
Well Yes, it will bring about the global collapse of the Catholic Church
We are not free and endure human rights abuses from catholic dogs.
"We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair."
What gives BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com) away is his unusual
capacity as a claimed atheist, to call the Pontiff holy when he is in
fact perverse.
It would appear that once again, we have mongrel catholic dogs engaged
in public campaigns of disinformation and vilification of the truth,
which diminishes our human rights.
dolf: “Wasn’t the Pope recently asked on: ‘Creationists need [for a]
Catholic vision’?”
BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com): “Lets hope the Holy Pontiff
sets many creationists back on the right path.”
Vurgil or Uirgit? (vur...@arg.erg / uir...@uirgil.ur): “It would be a
great improvement.”
dolf: “He knows Greedy!”
BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com): “From what I understand.”
Vurgil or Uirgit? (vur...@arg.erg / uir...@uirgil.ur): “Which is nothing!”
dolf: “Is it painful? Very soon being Roman Catholic will be prima
facie proof of guilt in claims of crimes against the dignity of the
'Sovereign Autonomy' made under the Commonwealth of Australia.”
#20 / .jackNote@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 7 [Super: #397 / #46 -
Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Creative
Principle/Heaven; Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #403 / #7 - Intentional
Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 -
Closed Mouth] {Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: Form of Nature {Autonomous
Nature}}}
In relation to this notion of The Decade is the meaning of Yom Kippur as
a ritual of nullification held over a 10 day period commencing a new
Moon on 18 September 2001 (as my particular interest for synchronising
the centre of the Grapple Temporal / Noumenal Reality for a 5 day period
being #41 on 13 September 2001 as a centrifugal model comprising septet
#369 magic squares with the solar / lunar chronological cycle and
rational representation of PI / ENNEAD) and the Dead Sea Scroll
chronological principle which is a cosmological straight line--hence
transcendent--in having a starting point on the Equinox of Wednesday 20
March 1996 with a new Moon on Thursday 21 March for a base 7 Numbering
system intrinsic to the cosmogony as rational representation of PI.
In that for 3 x 364 days = 1092 days there was a lunar/solar comparison
of 3 x 354 lunar years + 30 days = 1092 days. There are in a cycle of 5
x 364 days + 182 days (as a 1/2 cycle) two fragments in the Dead Sea
Scroll relics related to the 1st day of the 7th solar month as occurring
on 12 September 2001 and the 21st priestly course starting on Sunday 16
September 2001 which fragment also brings together an association of the
solar and lunar cycles which appear to have been a readily observable
phenomenon.
In that this has according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a reprise in a 294 x
364 day years as 6 Jubilees or 293 x 365.2423 days (just short of the
tropical years, but technologically better than the Julian calendar of
365.25 days instigated in 45 BCE and reformed in 1582 CE (1751 CE in
British Empire) by the Gregorian calendar reforms due to an
intercalation error resulting in a lost of synchronicity comprising a
magnitude loss of one day every 128 years. This forms the basis for
arguing a metaphysical and cosmological origin of language as 22
elements of the Hebrew letters which is otherwise shown geometrically as
an indestructible object (atom) in the association of the 10 as Decade
(as Greek and Ennead as Egyptian notions) and counts (number) and the 22
letters as 3 horizontal (Mother letters), 7 vertical lines (Double
letters) and 12 diagonal lines (Single letters):
Kabbalistic Tree of Life
ATZILUTH {1st as “World of Emanation” also known as Olam Atzilut, עולם
אצילות in Hebrew}
BRIYAH {2nd as “World of Creation” also known as Olam Briyah, עולם בריאה
in Hebrew}
YETZIRAH {3rd as “World of Formation” also known as Olam Yetsirah, עולם
יצירה in Hebrew}
ASSIYAH {4th as “World of Action” also known as Olam Asiyah, עולם עשיה
in Hebrew}
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/tree.gif
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png
This is Chaldean / Babylonian in Origins: Hebrew letters as described in
the “Sefer Yetzirah”
YETZIRAH as in “Making" is as opposed to BRIYAH as in "Creating"
Actually taking whatever matter that was created in the BRIYAH and
shaping it into the basic elements.
It is also possible to divide the number of days in 400 years in the
Gregorian calendar reforms as 146,097 days by 7 and that when made
divisible by 22 to obtain the remainder, and to arrange the Hebrew
letters in a pattern which has a remainder of #13 as being in the middle
of the Chinese 2 BCE published DAO TE CHING / I CHING division of the
year into 364.5 days and the Jewish Kabbalah equivalent which deployed a
magic square of #369 having a distinct mathematical property at centre
of #41 for the equivalent date of 13 September.
#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE
MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic transformative
prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE,
#111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
+ (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/toth9.gif
#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE
In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and www.Torah.org]
dolf: “Fascist Dogs BroilJAB & Uergil discuss their creation denial!”
BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com): “The deviant creationists twist
and turn, twist the words of the faithful.
Sad it is to see them like this.”
Uergil (Uer...@uer.net): “If there is any damnation, it is the nation
creationists inhabit.”
dolf: “Vurgil or Uirgit? (vur...@arg.erg / uir...@uirgil.ur)
Or is it now Uergil?
Creationist denial has its roots in German political theatre.
Numerological and mystic speculation was especially rife amongst German
Romantics and Naturphilosophien during the nineteenth century and grew
out of ancient teleological speculations concerning the harmonious
distribution of the heavenly bodies. Such speculation was by no means
confined to the celestial motions; in 1818 the Kantian mineralogist
Christian Weiss even argues for a link between aspects of
rhombic-dodecahedral crystal structure and the musical scale of tones!
However, such flights of imaginative fancy generally had little impact
upon the work of serious scientists; with one notable exception.
In 1766 Johann Daniel Titius von Wittenberg was preparing a German
translation of Charles Bonnet’s Contemplation de la Nature. To the
section on planetary motions he added a now famous footnote pointing out
that the radii of all the planetary orbits can be generated by the
following simple algorithm, where r is measured in astronomical units (1
AU = 1.496 x 1013 cm):
rn = 0.4 + 0.3 x 2n; n = 0,1,2…
This formula provided a striking approximation for the distance from the
Sun to the six then-known planets: Mercury {Measured: 0.39, Predicted:
0.4}, Venus {Measured: 0.72, Predicted: 0.7}, Earth {Measured: 1.00,
Predicted: 1.0}, Mars {Measured: 1.52, Predicted: 1.6}, Jupiter
{Measured: 5.20, Predicted: 5.2}, Saturn {Measured: 9.55, Predicted:
10.0}. Their measured distances from the Sun at the time of the Law’s
inception are indicated together with Titius’ predictions. [Rediscovery
of the Anthropic Principle, John Barrow & Frank Tipler, The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, © 1996, p 221]
There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.
To hell with you!”
#21 / .jackNote@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 7, nous: 67 [Super: #313 / #24 -
Important Distinctions, Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay;
Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #462 / #67 - Three Treasures; I-Ching: H10 -
Tread Carefully; Tetra: 48 - Ritual] {Autonomous Nature {MOTHER: Scales
of Liability}}
fasgnadh
May 28, 2012, 7:40:45 AM5/28/12
to
raven1 the troll snipped the debate, replaced it with abuse and ran:
The USSR, Maoist China Pol Pot's Cambodia, Nth Korea..
all the atheist states have been complete cluster fucks,
they have never manafged to produce evan ONE decent democracy,
not even a functional city.. they couldn't organise a root
in a brothel! B^D
>>>>> ii) Does anyone here have any strong feelings
>>>>> for or against trying to revive a moderated
>>>>> atheism newsgroup? (If so, please be as verbose
>>>>> as possible)
>>
>> Atheists should not have to compete in the marketplace of ideas
>> because they have nothing of value to exchange.
>>
>> The Sheltered Workshop and rest home for tired atheist 'intellects'
>> henceforth known as Atheist Pleasantville, must go ahead so that
>> atheists don't have to have their idea challenged any more.
>
> No
Aw.. how sweet.. Ravin1 doesn't want to leave the REAL debate and go
crochet doilies with the brain dead atheists in their Old Folks Home!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA
He wants to stay here where
>>>> It was set up in the mid 1990s because of the amount of noise here and
>>>> was successful for a few years.
>>
>> The rest of USENET urges atheists to seek the peace and quiet of a
>> controlled atheist orthodoxy.. freedom of thought really is not your
>> thing, you find the ideas of others to be annoying and want them
>> eradicated... this is a far more humane solution.. like a giant
>> Killfile where atheists retire en mass to the parlour and lock
>> themselves in.
>>
>> B^]
>>
>> Think of the endless self-congratulation, backslapping and
>> mutual tool fondling with no one making fun of you!
>>
>> alt.atheism.satire has increasingly become a place where ATHEISM is
>> satirised, rather than atheits satirising everyone else.. so it
>> should be abandoned.. oh hang on.. I'm told it already has been! B^]
>>
>>>> I used to have philosophical objections to moderated groups because
>>>> they shouldn't really be necessary, and I don't like other people
>>>> deciding whether my posts are appropriate or not.
Now he has abandoned philosophy and principles for expediency...
>> But you have overcome your objection so long as it's your
>> posts that are allowed, because you are an Atheist
>> Pleasantville Regular (ie totalitarian bigot) and it's the
to RETREAT to a walled fortress if they don't want their ignorance being
constantly exposed and their prejudices being mocked. B^D
They don't seem to understand that a moderated NG doesn't protect them,
it's like a mass killfile.. *communal blinkers*. We can see them AND
still discuss them in open forums.. but they are self blinded
to the open discussion because they regard REAL DEBATE as NOISE
They would look like ridiculous hypocrites if they tried to come back
and JOIN the discussions they have clearly decided to RUN AWAY FROM! B^]
BUT THEY WILL! B^D Watch and see my prediction come true!
But, because I play them, (not like a fiddle, more like an old,
out-of-tune banjo I can tell you now.. they will not be able to resist
coming back.. so when they do, be ready to MOCK THEM MERCILESSLY! B^]
>>
>>>> Over time there were several moderators, at least one
>>>> of whom used to moderate on his opinion and objected
>>>> to on-topic posts from atheists
>
> like there's a duck following us around, quacking loudly
> and shitting all over the lawn,
Thats EXACTLY how the poor atheist bastards felt like when,
after a very short time, having Lenin, Stalin, Mao or their
loyal stooges telling the mob what they can think and what
they can say they wanted to ESCAPE TO FREEDOM!
Screaming "We are sick of the atheist state conformity, misery and despair..
> and we're tired and bored
Yup that's how the atheists found it being CONTROLLED by an
atheist moderator LAST TIME !
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
And it will be EXACTLY the same this time round, because lets face it,
THE ONLY THING ATHEISTS AGREE ON IS THAT THEY BLAME GOD FOR THEIR
MISERABLE LIVES AND HATE THEISTS!
So those like Chris Lee, are bound to bang heads with anyone who
tries to shut him up... (See the violent sexual sociopaths style in the
example below ) B^D
As soon as they are caged up with each other it will be like rats in a
maze when the maze space is steadily decreased... before long they will
be eating one another...
Up until now they have had the COMMON ENEMY, but once they
go into a padded room with nothing but each other to talk to,
they will GO INSANE.. because as you all know.. rabid nutters
like Bukakke or Chris Lee, NEED creationists to SCREAM AT!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAA
As every atheist regime has shown, atheists can't sustain even one
decent democracy, let alone a civilisatiuon.. it just isn't a stable
basis for a community.
Watch and learn, kiddies! B^]
>>>> including some responses of mine explaining the difference between
>>>> atheism and agnosticism.
So, there you have the facts the LAST time atheists tried 'moderation'
they got CENSORSHIP.. that's what moderation means! B^]
And according to that atheist it was BIASED, PREJUDICED and UNFAIR..
What a suprise! EVERY ATHEIST TYRANNY HAS BEEN!! B^D
>> Sensibilitiesof the Pleasantvilly Chamber of Commerce
>> annoying majority and the majority are FINALLY, FREE OF THEM!
>>> Regular abusers can just be black listed, a long with
>>> suspect addresses and things that match certain
>>> filters.
eg The 'critical of Atheism' Filter B^D
>> Virgil asked me to inquire on his behalf: Is post forging allowed?
>>
>> Otherwise he will have to stay here with us.
>>
>> Oh shit, I never should have passed his question on, now I'm
>> sure you will say you only supported it when he was forging the
>> posts of non-atheists because none of you want him in your
>> Country Club!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>>
>>>>> They would need to be reasonably technically competent
>>>>> (or technical minded enough to gain
>>>>> that competency), to the level of using command
>>>>> line tools and editors - cross platform. And be able to follow the
>>>>> agreed posting rules regardless of their personal feelings.
>>>>
>>>> That was a problem last time round.
>>
>> Yes, trotsky complained bitterly about the way Stalin acted on his
>> personal feelings.
>>
>> Or he would have, if the ice pick hadn't destroyed the
> On 27/05/2012 1:28 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 26/05/2012 4:57 AM, Mike Lovell wrote:
>>> On 2012-05-25, Christopher A Lee<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:39:31 -0500, Mike Lovell
>>>> <mike....@null.local> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I noticed the other day the group "alt.atheism.moderated",
>>>>> which was
>>>>> going very strong up until the moderated died.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Adams
>>>>>
>>>>> The rules laid down seem to be very level headed,
>>>>> and did not exclude theists. Just trolls,
>>>>> something we have a big issue with, and "preaching".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The rules (old ones anyhow) can be found here
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ck3sjgk
>>>>>
>>>>> Couple of open questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> i) Was anyone here today a regular poster at
>>>>> "alt.atheism.moderated"?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> I was, and several of the other old timers.
>>>>
>>>> It has been moribund for a long time.
>>>
>>> Indeed it has.
Anything run by atheists ends up that way:
>> On 26/05/2012 4:57 AM, Mike Lovell wrote:
>>> On 2012-05-25, Christopher A Lee<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:39:31 -0500, Mike Lovell
>>>> <mike....@null.local> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I noticed the other day the group "alt.atheism.moderated",
>>>>> which was
>>>>> going very strong up until the moderated died.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Adams
>>>>>
>>>>> The rules laid down seem to be very level headed,
>>>>> and did not exclude theists. Just trolls,
>>>>> something we have a big issue with, and "preaching".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The rules (old ones anyhow) can be found here
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ck3sjgk
>>>>>
>>>>> Couple of open questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> i) Was anyone here today a regular poster at
>>>>> "alt.atheism.moderated"?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> I was, and several of the other old timers.
>>>>
>>>> It has been moribund for a long time.
>>>
>>> Indeed it has.
The USSR, Maoist China Pol Pot's Cambodia, Nth Korea..
all the atheist states have been complete cluster fucks,
they have never manafged to produce evan ONE decent democracy,
not even a functional city.. they couldn't organise a root
in a brothel! B^D
>>>>> ii) Does anyone here have any strong feelings
>>>>> for or against trying to revive a moderated
>>>>> atheism newsgroup? (If so, please be as verbose
>>>>> as possible)
>>
>> Atheists should not have to compete in the marketplace of ideas
>> because they have nothing of value to exchange.
>>
>> The Sheltered Workshop and rest home for tired atheist 'intellects'
>> henceforth known as Atheist Pleasantville, must go ahead so that
>> atheists don't have to have their idea challenged any more.
>
Aw.. how sweet.. Ravin1 doesn't want to leave the REAL debate and go
crochet doilies with the brain dead atheists in their Old Folks Home!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA
He wants to stay here where
>>>> It was set up in the mid 1990s because of the amount of noise here and
>>>> was successful for a few years.
>>
>> The rest of USENET urges atheists to seek the peace and quiet of a
>> controlled atheist orthodoxy.. freedom of thought really is not your
>> thing, you find the ideas of others to be annoying and want them
>> eradicated... this is a far more humane solution.. like a giant
>> Killfile where atheists retire en mass to the parlour and lock
>> themselves in.
>>
>> B^]
>>
>> Think of the endless self-congratulation, backslapping and
>> mutual tool fondling with no one making fun of you!
>>
>> alt.atheism.satire has increasingly become a place where ATHEISM is
>> satirised, rather than atheits satirising everyone else.. so it
>> should be abandoned.. oh hang on.. I'm told it already has been! B^]
>>
>>>> I used to have philosophical objections to moderated groups because
>>>> they shouldn't really be necessary, and I don't like other people
>>>> deciding whether my posts are appropriate or not.
>> But you have overcome your objection so long as it's your
>> posts that are allowed, because you are an Atheist
>> other guy who gets censored.
>>
>> Atheist democracy: only the Party Members may speak! B^D
..the atheists are getting their arses kicked and they have
>>
>> Atheist democracy: only the Party Members may speak! B^D
to RETREAT to a walled fortress if they don't want their ignorance being
constantly exposed and their prejudices being mocked. B^D
They don't seem to understand that a moderated NG doesn't protect them,
it's like a mass killfile.. *communal blinkers*. We can see them AND
still discuss them in open forums.. but they are self blinded
to the open discussion because they regard REAL DEBATE as NOISE
They would look like ridiculous hypocrites if they tried to come back
and JOIN the discussions they have clearly decided to RUN AWAY FROM! B^]
BUT THEY WILL! B^D Watch and see my prediction come true!
But, because I play them, (not like a fiddle, more like an old,
out-of-tune banjo I can tell you now.. they will not be able to resist
coming back.. so when they do, be ready to MOCK THEM MERCILESSLY! B^]
>>
>>>> Over time there were several moderators, at least one
>>>> of whom used to moderate on his opinion and objected
>>>> to on-topic posts from atheists
>
> and shitting all over the lawn,
Thats EXACTLY how the poor atheist bastards felt like when,
after a very short time, having Lenin, Stalin, Mao or their
loyal stooges telling the mob what they can think and what
they can say they wanted to ESCAPE TO FREEDOM!
Screaming "We are sick of the atheist state conformity, misery and despair..
> and we're tired and bored
Yup that's how the atheists found it being CONTROLLED by an
atheist moderator LAST TIME !
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
And it will be EXACTLY the same this time round, because lets face it,
THE ONLY THING ATHEISTS AGREE ON IS THAT THEY BLAME GOD FOR THEIR
MISERABLE LIVES AND HATE THEISTS!
So those like Chris Lee, are bound to bang heads with anyone who
tries to shut him up... (See the violent sexual sociopaths style in the
example below ) B^D
As soon as they are caged up with each other it will be like rats in a
maze when the maze space is steadily decreased... before long they will
be eating one another...
Up until now they have had the COMMON ENEMY, but once they
go into a padded room with nothing but each other to talk to,
they will GO INSANE.. because as you all know.. rabid nutters
like Bukakke or Chris Lee, NEED creationists to SCREAM AT!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAA
As every atheist regime has shown, atheists can't sustain even one
decent democracy, let alone a civilisatiuon.. it just isn't a stable
basis for a community.
Watch and learn, kiddies! B^]
>>>> including some responses of mine explaining the difference between
>>>> atheism and agnosticism.
they got CENSORSHIP.. that's what moderation means! B^]
And according to that atheist it was BIASED, PREJUDICED and UNFAIR..
What a suprise! EVERY ATHEIST TYRANNY HAS BEEN!! B^D
>> and the Central Party Committeee, it should obviously
>> be rejected as noise, or 'preaching' or some other pretext.
>>
>>
>> Whereas exhibit B is a reasonable response and should be allowed.
>>
>> You just want to screen out the ideas you don't like..
>>
>> like EVERY ATHEIST REGIME in History, you want CENSORSHIP! B^]
>>
>> Go for it, I say!!!
>>
>> Show the world that atheism IS afraid of the open exchange of ideas,
>> that it opposes FREEDOM of THOUGHT and BELEIF and that the Atheist
>> regimes were not abberrations, but the ATHEIST NORM! B^]
>>
>>> Yes this I think is why a democratic method is required. A majority
>>> vote should be needed by current moderators to remove/add new
>>> moderators.
>>
>> But only a majority of the Card Carrying Regulars And Partymembers
>> (CCRAP). B^D
>>
>> You don't want a real democracy! No atheist regime ever had one!
>>
>>
>>> Clear violations of the rules (blocking based on opinion)
>>> should prompta vote for removal.
>>
>> Whereas exhibit B is a reasonable response and should be allowed.
>>
>> You just want to screen out the ideas you don't like..
>>
>> like EVERY ATHEIST REGIME in History, you want CENSORSHIP! B^]
>>
>> Go for it, I say!!!
>>
>> Show the world that atheism IS afraid of the open exchange of ideas,
>> that it opposes FREEDOM of THOUGHT and BELEIF and that the Atheist
>> regimes were not abberrations, but the ATHEIST NORM! B^]
>>
>>> Yes this I think is why a democratic method is required. A majority
>>> vote should be needed by current moderators to remove/add new
>>> moderators.
>>
>> But only a majority of the Card Carrying Regulars And Partymembers
>> (CCRAP). B^D
>>
>> You don't want a real democracy! No atheist regime ever had one!
>>
>>
>>> Clear violations of the rules (blocking based on opinion)
>>> I have a funny feeling your name will be suggested.
>>
>> seconded!
>>
>>> Bear in mind that these days a lot of the rubbish can be
>>> filtered out before it even reaches human eyes.
North Korea can make entire families disappear like that! 8^o
>>
>> seconded!
>>
>>> Bear in mind that these days a lot of the rubbish can be
>>> filtered out before it even reaches human eyes.
>>> Regular abusers can just be black listed, a long with
>>> suspect addresses and things that match certain
>>> filters.
>> Virgil asked me to inquire on his behalf: Is post forging allowed?
>>
>> Otherwise he will have to stay here with us.
>>
>> Oh shit, I never should have passed his question on, now I'm
>> sure you will say you only supported it when he was forging the
>> posts of non-atheists because none of you want him in your
>> Country Club!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>>
>>>>> They would need to be reasonably technically competent
>>>>> (or technical minded enough to gain
>>>>> that competency), to the level of using command
>>>>> line tools and editors - cross platform. And be able to follow the
>>>>> agreed posting rules regardless of their personal feelings.
>>>>
>>>> That was a problem last time round.
>>
>> Yes, trotsky complained bitterly about the way Stalin acted on his
>> personal feelings.
>>
fasgnadh
May 28, 2012, 7:43:20 AM5/28/12
to
Immoralist babbled :
oppressive, dysfunctional atheist states felt! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAA
> Wouldn't the Atheist wank have
> something of value to add to this absurd reality?
Umm, the atheist wank CREATED that bleak, terminally DISMAL reality..
8^o
people risked TORTURE and DEATH to escape to a meaningful existence
in the free, open, progressive, tolerant, rights-based secular
democracies constructed by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies all over the
world!
If some atheists want to go back to Life Under Atheist Censorship,
then let them I say!
B^]
�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
> On 27/05/2012 1:28 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 26/05/2012 4:57 AM, Mike Lovell wrote:
>>> On 2012-05-25, Christopher A Lee<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:39:31 -0500, Mike Lovell
>>>> <mike....@null.local> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I noticed the other day the group "alt.atheism.moderated", which was
>>>>> going very strong up until the moderated died.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Adams
>>>>>
>>>>> The rules laid down seem to be very level headed, and did not exclude
>>>>> theists. Just trolls, something we have a big issue with, and
>>>>> "preaching".
>>>>>
>>>>> The rules (old ones anyhow) can be found here
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ck3sjgk
>>>>>
>>>>> Couple of open questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> i) Was anyone here today a regular poster at
>>>>> "alt.atheism.moderated"?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> I was, and several of the other old timers.
>>>>
>>>> It has been moribund for a long time.
>>>
>>> Indeed it has.
>>>
>>> On 2012-05-25, Christopher A Lee<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:39:31 -0500, Mike Lovell
>>>> <mike....@null.local> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I noticed the other day the group "alt.atheism.moderated", which was
>>>>> going very strong up until the moderated died.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Adams
>>>>>
>>>>> The rules laid down seem to be very level headed, and did not exclude
>>>>> theists. Just trolls, something we have a big issue with, and
>>>>> "preaching".
>>>>>
>>>>> The rules (old ones anyhow) can be found here
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ck3sjgk
>>>>>
>>>>> Couple of open questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> i) Was anyone here today a regular poster at
>>>>> "alt.atheism.moderated"?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> I was, and several of the other old timers.
>>>>
>>>> It has been moribund for a long time.
>>>
>>> Indeed it has.
>>>
>>>>> ii) Does anyone here have any strong feelings
>>>>> for or against trying to revive a moderated
>>>>> atheism newsgroup? (If so, please be as verbose
>>>>> as possible)
>>
>> Atheists should not have to compete in the marketplace of ideas
>> because they have nothing of value to exchange.
>
>
> But what if humans have been just accidentally generated in a blind
> and purposeless cosmic process.
That's certainly how all the poor bastards born in any of the
>>>>> for or against trying to revive a moderated
>>>>> atheism newsgroup? (If so, please be as verbose
>>>>> as possible)
>>
>> Atheists should not have to compete in the marketplace of ideas
>> because they have nothing of value to exchange.
>
>
> But what if humans have been just accidentally generated in a blind
> and purposeless cosmic process.
oppressive, dysfunctional atheist states felt! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAA
> Wouldn't the Atheist wank have
> something of value to add to this absurd reality?
8^o
people risked TORTURE and DEATH to escape to a meaningful existence
in the free, open, progressive, tolerant, rights-based secular
democracies constructed by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies all over the
world!
If some atheists want to go back to Life Under Atheist Censorship,
then let them I say!
B^]
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
Uergil
May 28, 2012, 1:59:17 PM5/28/12
to
In article <ZuJwr.7625$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Those who claim certainty of the truth of that for which they have
absolutely no objective physical evidence and equally claim certainty of
the falsehood of that for which science has ever growing mountains of
supporting objective physical evidence are arrogant fools and doom
themselves by their arrogance.
Theist liars keep claiming that atheists claim that no gods exist, but
that is false.
What atheists actually say is merely that they lack faith that any gods
exist.
And as atheism makes no claims about whether any gods actually do or do
not exist, it has no need of proof.
On the other hand, those theists who claim that their gods do exist
are each claiming something that presupposes objective
physical evidence, but for which they can provide absolutely none of
that needed objective physical evidence.
To reprise: Lack of belief in the existence of something, as in atheism,
is only problematic when there is a plentiful supply of objective
physical evidence that that thing actually exists. Which is NOT the case
with anything that atheists fail to believe in.
Presence of belief in the existence of something, as in theism, is only
problematic when there is a total lack of objective physical evidence
that that thing actually exists. Which IS the case with most of what
theists claim to believe in.
Alain de Botton, is a Swiss writer, philosopher, television
presenter entrepreneur and atheist... he has published bestselling
books including:
How Proust Can Change Your Life (1997)
The Consolations of Philosophy (2000)
The Art of Travel (2002)
Status Anxiety (2004)
The Architecture of Happiness (2006)
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work (2009)
A Week at the Airport (2009)
Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses
of Religion (2012)
And his main thesis in that last book is that theist religions are no
longer of any social use, since all of their virtues are readily
available to modern societies, and are quite often already incorporated
into those societies, but without any of those theist vices.
"One can judge from experiment, or one can blindly accept authority. To
the scientific mind, experimental proof is all important and theory is
merely a convenience in description, to be junked when it no longer
fits. To the academic mind, authority is everything and facts are junked
when they do not fit theory laid down by authority. The whole principle
is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because
the baby can't have steak."
- Heinlein
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Those who claim certainty of the truth of that for which they have
absolutely no objective physical evidence and equally claim certainty of
the falsehood of that for which science has ever growing mountains of
supporting objective physical evidence are arrogant fools and doom
themselves by their arrogance.
Theist liars keep claiming that atheists claim that no gods exist, but
that is false.
What atheists actually say is merely that they lack faith that any gods
exist.
And as atheism makes no claims about whether any gods actually do or do
not exist, it has no need of proof.
On the other hand, those theists who claim that their gods do exist
are each claiming something that presupposes objective
physical evidence, but for which they can provide absolutely none of
that needed objective physical evidence.
To reprise: Lack of belief in the existence of something, as in atheism,
is only problematic when there is a plentiful supply of objective
physical evidence that that thing actually exists. Which is NOT the case
with anything that atheists fail to believe in.
Presence of belief in the existence of something, as in theism, is only
problematic when there is a total lack of objective physical evidence
that that thing actually exists. Which IS the case with most of what
theists claim to believe in.
Alain de Botton, is a Swiss writer, philosopher, television
presenter entrepreneur and atheist... he has published bestselling
books including:
How Proust Can Change Your Life (1997)
The Consolations of Philosophy (2000)
The Art of Travel (2002)
Status Anxiety (2004)
The Architecture of Happiness (2006)
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work (2009)
A Week at the Airport (2009)
Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses
of Religion (2012)
And his main thesis in that last book is that theist religions are no
longer of any social use, since all of their virtues are readily
available to modern societies, and are quite often already incorporated
into those societies, but without any of those theist vices.
the scientific mind, experimental proof is all important and theory is
merely a convenience in description, to be junked when it no longer
fits. To the academic mind, authority is everything and facts are junked
when they do not fit theory laid down by authority. The whole principle
is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because
the baby can't have steak."
- Heinlein
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson
dolf
May 28, 2012, 4:16:52 PM5/28/12
to
hyponomic cosmological anthropic principle
However as Gadamer (1976) suggests when the layman wonders what
philosophy really is, he has the idea that philosophising means
defining, and taking responsibility for the need to define, the concepts
in which all men think as homo[ios] sapien[tal]. Since as a rule we do
not see this happen, we have helped ourselves by means of a doctrine of
implicit definition.
In reality, however, such a “doctrine” is a mere verbalism as is the
neologism starting with the German word: Dasein--which is not another
name for ‘consciousness’, ’subject’, or ‘human being’. Heidegger
introduces a vocabulary that challenges the reader [Stambaugh
2010:xviii]. To say nothing of the Hebrew word: Dashen {(#4 - Daleth;
#300 - Shin; #50 - Nun = #354 / #390 as H1878) specifically to anoint;
figuratively to satisfy; denominatively (from H1880 ) to remove (fat)
ashes (of sacrifices):—accept, anoint, take away the (receive) ashes
(from), make (wax) fat}. For to call a definition implicit obviously
means one finally comes to notice, on the basis of a number of sentences
that someone has spoken. And he or she was thinking something
unambiguous by means of using a concept. In this respect, philosophers
are no different from other men, for other men too are in the habit of
thinking definite things and avoiding contradictions. The lay opinion
appealed to here is in fact dominated by the doctrine that universals or
general ideas are mere names without any corresponding reality as
nominalistic tradition of recent centuries, in considering linguistic
reproduction as a kind of application of signs. It is obvious that
artificial signs need an organisation and arrangement that excludes any
ambiguity. Thus the demand arises that the illusionary problems of
“metaphysics” must be unmasked by establishing the univocal use of
language. [Gadamer 1971:125-126]
However as Gadamer (1976) suggests when the layman wonders what
philosophy really is, he has the idea that philosophising means
defining, and taking responsibility for the need to define, the concepts
in which all men think as homo[ios] sapien[tal]. Since as a rule we do
not see this happen, we have helped ourselves by means of a doctrine of
implicit definition.
In reality, however, such a “doctrine” is a mere verbalism as is the
neologism starting with the German word: Dasein--which is not another
name for ‘consciousness’, ’subject’, or ‘human being’. Heidegger
introduces a vocabulary that challenges the reader [Stambaugh
2010:xviii]. To say nothing of the Hebrew word: Dashen {(#4 - Daleth;
#300 - Shin; #50 - Nun = #354 / #390 as H1878) specifically to anoint;
figuratively to satisfy; denominatively (from H1880 ) to remove (fat)
ashes (of sacrifices):—accept, anoint, take away the (receive) ashes
(from), make (wax) fat}. For to call a definition implicit obviously
means one finally comes to notice, on the basis of a number of sentences
that someone has spoken. And he or she was thinking something
unambiguous by means of using a concept. In this respect, philosophers
are no different from other men, for other men too are in the habit of
thinking definite things and avoiding contradictions. The lay opinion
appealed to here is in fact dominated by the doctrine that universals or
general ideas are mere names without any corresponding reality as
nominalistic tradition of recent centuries, in considering linguistic
reproduction as a kind of application of signs. It is obvious that
artificial signs need an organisation and arrangement that excludes any
ambiguity. Thus the demand arises that the illusionary problems of
“metaphysics” must be unmasked by establishing the univocal use of
language. [Gadamer 1971:125-126]
fasgnadh
May 28, 2012, 5:35:50 PM5/28/12
to
On 27/05/2012 9:13 AM, Mike Lovell wrote:
> n 2012-05-26, Christopher A Lee<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 May 2012 12:04:40 -0500, Mike Lovell<dev....@b0h0.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2012-05-26, Christopher A Lee<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:51:42 -0500, Mike Lovell<dev....@b0h0.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2012-05-26, Don Martin<drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Access has been gained via associates of the old moderator(s)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism.moderated/browse_thread/thread/6e9d450ae22063f4#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this one only on Google Groups? I can use it, but prefer not to.
Most people prefer to use the Free open and democratic ones ... except
atheists of course.
>> I found a lot of old stuff.
Atheism is moribund, they have no new ideas,
thats why prominent atheists like de Botton
suggest they steal ideas from religion! B^]
>> Is it the old group sesucitate
WTF? B^D
> or a new one?
Oh it's definitely the former! B^D
>
> The old group.
>
> In fact I have your post in pending:
>
> http://usenet.b0h0.com/alt.atheism.moderated/pending/
Looks like the Murderator has deleted all of them! B^D
> 2012-05-26 18:00:09 "Christopher A. Lee"<ca...@optonline.net> Re:
> Moderation test
>
> "I got this one but not Mike's original."
>
>
> *But* nothing is going anywhere ATM,
That's atheism in a nutshell, where all the atheist nuts huddle! B^D
> Any posts to alt.atheism.moderated will appear in pending though (not
> that it does you much good,
No, all you can see is boring orthodox atheist dogma,
no lively discussions because their CENSORSHIP
kills free thought, belief and speech! 8^o
> control is there! :-) ).
and that is all any atheist regime EVER cared about!!!
B^]
> The only reason those other posts
Other posts? B^}
The Resistance LIVES! B^D
> appeared is that it seems the usenet servers they used
> are not respecting the "moderated" flag, and are just
> posting them directly.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
The atheist regime is CRUMBLING even before it gets launched!
LET FREEDOM RING!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>
> If you check both the new posts (not from me) in the group you'll note
> they do not have an "Approved:" header.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
Shock Horror.. atheists can't silence FREE THINKERS!
B^D
> So that's something to complain at the newsgroup provider (for those
> posts) about, rather naughty.
Only tyrants call censorship good and Freedom 'naughty'
This is a brilliant expose of the TRUE NATURE of atheism and atheists!
Dogmatic bigots who FEAR free open dialogue!
Priceless
--
---------
The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com.au/
- Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm
---------
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
> n 2012-05-26, Christopher A Lee<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 May 2012 12:04:40 -0500, Mike Lovell<dev....@b0h0.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2012-05-26, Christopher A Lee<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:51:42 -0500, Mike Lovell<dev....@b0h0.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2012-05-26, Don Martin<drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Access has been gained via associates of the old moderator(s)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism.moderated/browse_thread/thread/6e9d450ae22063f4#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this one only on Google Groups? I can use it, but prefer not to.
Most people prefer to use the Free open and democratic ones ... except
atheists of course.
>> I found a lot of old stuff.
Atheism is moribund, they have no new ideas,
thats why prominent atheists like de Botton
suggest they steal ideas from religion! B^]
>> Is it the old group sesucitate
WTF? B^D
> or a new one?
Oh it's definitely the former! B^D
>
> The old group.
>
> In fact I have your post in pending:
>
> http://usenet.b0h0.com/alt.atheism.moderated/pending/
Looks like the Murderator has deleted all of them! B^D
> 2012-05-26 18:00:09 "Christopher A. Lee"<ca...@optonline.net> Re:
> Moderation test
>
> "I got this one but not Mike's original."
>
>
> *But* nothing is going anywhere ATM,
That's atheism in a nutshell, where all the atheist nuts huddle! B^D
> Any posts to alt.atheism.moderated will appear in pending though (not
> that it does you much good,
No, all you can see is boring orthodox atheist dogma,
no lively discussions because their CENSORSHIP
kills free thought, belief and speech! 8^o
> control is there! :-) ).
and that is all any atheist regime EVER cared about!!!
B^]
> The only reason those other posts
Other posts? B^}
The Resistance LIVES! B^D
> appeared is that it seems the usenet servers they used
> are not respecting the "moderated" flag, and are just
> posting them directly.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
The atheist regime is CRUMBLING even before it gets launched!
LET FREEDOM RING!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>
> If you check both the new posts (not from me) in the group you'll note
> they do not have an "Approved:" header.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
Shock Horror.. atheists can't silence FREE THINKERS!
B^D
> So that's something to complain at the newsgroup provider (for those
> posts) about, rather naughty.
Only tyrants call censorship good and Freedom 'naughty'
This is a brilliant expose of the TRUE NATURE of atheism and atheists!
Dogmatic bigots who FEAR free open dialogue!
Priceless
--
---------
The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com.au/
- Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm
---------
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
Waldo Tunnel
May 29, 2012, 12:43:12 AM5/29/12
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fasgnadh
May 30, 2012, 5:05:32 AM5/30/12
to
raven1 demonstrates atheist antipathy to rational discussion:
> On 28/05/2012 9:19 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
First they forge your post, making it appear as if you are
talking about them in the third person:
>> raven1 snipped
I didn't write that, Raven1, being an dishonest atheist troll,
believes he has the right to LIE about anyone, to snip their post,
and replace it with forged atheist text, with the attributions doctored
to make it look as if I wrote it.
It's forgery, nothing more nothing less.. like the fabrication
of 'evidence' in the show trials run by the atheist tyrannies of
the 20th century.. you see this sort of FRAMING of dissidents in Nth
Korea, where evidence is cooked to use against them in Kangaroo Courts
and Star Chambers.
Atheists have neither honesty nor integrity.
They behave like this because they cannot win a rational debate,
and they think their cheap tactics will enable them to silence the
innocent. It's never worked in any atheist regime, they have all
FAILED CATASTROPHICALLY, just as alt.atheism has failed and is being
abandoned by the atheists who are retreating into an even MORE SHELTERED
WORKSHOP!
B^]
<unsnip, so people can see the truth which atheists cannot refute,
so they snip, run from it and LIE: >
>> raven1 the troll snipped the debate, replaced it with abuse and ran:
would challenge and try and disprove it.
They don't because EVERY CRITICISM I have made of atheist
regimes is COMPLETELY TRUE.. all they can do is snip run and
forge more lies!
>> The USSR, Maoist China Pol Pot's Cambodia, Nth Korea..
>>
>> all the atheist states have been complete cluster fucks,
>> they have never manafged to produce evan ONE decent democracy,
>> not even a functional city.. they couldn't organise a root
>> in a brothel! B^D
Atheists cannot dispute the indisputable TRUTH! B^]
>>>>>>> ii) Does anyone here have any strong feelings
>>>>>>> for or against trying to revive a moderated
>>>>>>> atheism newsgroup? (If so, please be as verbose
>>>>>>> as possible)
>>>>
>>>> Atheists should not have to compete in the marketplace of ideas
>>>> because they have nothing of value to exchange.
>>>>
>>>> The Sheltered Workshop and rest home for tired atheist 'intellects'
>>>> henceforth known as Atheist Pleasantville, must go ahead so that
>>>> atheists don't have to have their idea challenged any more.
>>>
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>>>>>> It was set up in the mid 1990s because of the amount
>>>>>> of noise here and was successful for a few years.
So, the atheist argument that they had to set up a closed, censored
cult HQ because of 'noise' and trolls was bullshit, because as Ravin1
and Hysteria demonstrate they have no trouble STAYING HERE, BECAUSE
it's the ATHEISTS who make the pointless noise and its them who are the
TROLLS: B^D
# Subject: TROLL ALERT!!!! - Atheist Hysteria
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnostiscism,alt.religion,
# alt.philosophy,aus.politics,uk.politics.misc,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.usenet.kooks
# Message-ID: <AQLwr.7401$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 00:20:19 +1000
#
# TROLL ALERT!
#
# No doubt she will be allowed to post in Alt.Censored! B^D
#
# They don't mind atheist trolls
#
# From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Atheist admits they have been losing the battle
# and their numbers are declining - the strategy of exposing
# the HORRORS of atheist # History is WORKING!!!! B^D
# Re: alt.atheism.moderated - "It's non-fuctional" admits
# it's creator,
# Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 23:14:38 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID: <23b9b7be-2821-4b4e...@googlegroups.com>
#
# We don't exist.
#
#
# From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Great News! Atheists decide to emigrate to North
# Korea so they can't hear their critics!
# Re: alt.atheism.moderated - "It's # non-fuctional"
# - B^D that's for sure!
# Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 23:18:55 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID: <674fee9f-c0e1-4255...@googlegroups.com>
#
# # Mike Lovell declares atheists prefer monologue:
# ># UPDATE:
#
# We don't exist.
#
#
#
# From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Great News! Atheists decide to emigrate to North
# Korea so they can't hear their critics!
# Re: alt.atheism.moderated - "It's non-fuctional" -
# B^D that's for sure!
# Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 23:18:26 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID: <a3bd8c95-c53c-4031...@googlegroups.com>
#
# # Mike Lovell declares atheists prefer monologue:
# ># UPDATE:
#
# We don't exist.
#
#
#
# From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Great News! Atheists decide to emigrate to
# North Korea so they can't hear their critics!
# Re: alt.atheism.moderated - "It's
# non-fuctional" - B^D that's for sure!
# Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 23:18:01 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID: <6c8b9396-28ce-4dbf...@googlegroups.com>
#
#
# # Mike Lovell declares atheists prefer monologue:
# # # UPDATE:
# We don't exist.
#
# From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Great News! Atheists decide to emigrate to
# North Korea so they can't hear their critics!
# Re: alt.atheism.moderated - "It's alive
# again, non-fuctional" - B^D that's for sure!
# Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 23:17:19 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID: <e09ffa70-5217-4f49...@googlegroups.com>
#
# # Mike Lovell declares atheists prefer monologue:
# # # UPDATE:
# We don't exist.
#
#
#
#
# Apparently, when the Atheist Exodus set off into the wilderness
# declaring they were going to build a sealed enclosure around
# themselves to isolate the TROLLS, they didn't explain they meant;
#
# ..Isolate them ...ON THE INSIDE!!!!!!
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAA
>>>>
>>>> The rest of USENET urges atheists to seek the peace and quiet of a
>>>> controlled atheist orthodoxy.. freedom of thought really is not your
>>>> thing, you find the ideas of others to be annoying and want them
>>>> eradicated... this is a far more humane solution.. like a giant
>>>> Killfile where atheists retire en mass to the parlour and lock
>>>> themselves in.
>>>>
>>>> B^]
>>>>
>>>> Think of the endless self-congratulation, backslapping and mutual tool
>>>> fondling with no one making fun of you!
>>>>
>>>> alt.atheism.satire has increasingly become a place where ATHEISM is
>>>> satirised, rather than atheits satirising everyone else.. so it should
>>>> be abandoned.. oh hang on.. I'm told it already has been! B^]
>>>>
>>>>>> I used to have philosophical objections to moderated groups because
>>>>>> they shouldn't really be necessary, and I don't like other people
>>>>>> deciding whether my posts are appropriate or not.
>>
<End Unsnip>
I'll leave Ravin1's forged abuse and ad hom here as evidence of
what LYING trolls the atheists are:
Text forged by Ravin1, atheist troll:
# >> a duck following atheists around quacking incessantly and shitting
on the lawn
# >
# > Edited
'forged' is the accurate term for the activities of atheist trolls
such as Vurgil and Ravin1
---------
The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com.au/
- Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm
---------
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
> On 28/05/2012 9:19 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
First they forge your post, making it appear as if you are
talking about them in the third person:
>> raven1 snipped
I didn't write that, Raven1, being an dishonest atheist troll,
believes he has the right to LIE about anyone, to snip their post,
and replace it with forged atheist text, with the attributions doctored
to make it look as if I wrote it.
It's forgery, nothing more nothing less.. like the fabrication
of 'evidence' in the show trials run by the atheist tyrannies of
the 20th century.. you see this sort of FRAMING of dissidents in Nth
Korea, where evidence is cooked to use against them in Kangaroo Courts
and Star Chambers.
Atheists have neither honesty nor integrity.
They behave like this because they cannot win a rational debate,
and they think their cheap tactics will enable them to silence the
innocent. It's never worked in any atheist regime, they have all
FAILED CATASTROPHICALLY, just as alt.atheism has failed and is being
abandoned by the atheists who are retreating into an even MORE SHELTERED
WORKSHOP!
B^]
<unsnip, so people can see the truth which atheists cannot refute,
so they snip, run from it and LIE: >
>> raven1 the troll snipped the debate, replaced it with abuse and ran:
>>> On 27/05/2012 1:28 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> On 26/05/2012 4:57 AM, Mike Lovell wrote:
>>>>> On 2012-05-25, Christopher A Lee<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:39:31 -0500, Mike Lovell
>>>>>> <mike....@null.local> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I noticed the other day the group "alt.atheism.moderated", which was
>>>>>>> going very strong up until the moderated died.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Adams
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rules laid down seem to be very level headed, and did not exclude
>>>>>>> theists. Just trolls, something we have a big issue with, and
>>>>>>> "preaching".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rules (old ones anyhow) can be found here
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ck3sjgk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Couple of open questions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i) Was anyone here today a regular poster at
>>>>>>> "alt.atheism.moderated"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was, and several of the other old timers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has been moribund for a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed it has.
>>
>>
>>>>> On 2012-05-25, Christopher A Lee<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:39:31 -0500, Mike Lovell
>>>>>> <mike....@null.local> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I noticed the other day the group "alt.atheism.moderated", which was
>>>>>>> going very strong up until the moderated died.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Adams
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rules laid down seem to be very level headed, and did not exclude
>>>>>>> theists. Just trolls, something we have a big issue with, and
>>>>>>> "preaching".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rules (old ones anyhow) can be found here
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ck3sjgk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Couple of open questions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i) Was anyone here today a regular poster at
>>>>>>> "alt.atheism.moderated"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was, and several of the other old timers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has been moribund for a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed it has.
>>
>>
>> Anything run by atheists ends up that way:
If this proposition was wrong, or even contestable, the atheists
would challenge and try and disprove it.
They don't because EVERY CRITICISM I have made of atheist
regimes is COMPLETELY TRUE.. all they can do is snip run and
forge more lies!
>> The USSR, Maoist China Pol Pot's Cambodia, Nth Korea..
>>
>> all the atheist states have been complete cluster fucks,
>> they have never manafged to produce evan ONE decent democracy,
>> not even a functional city.. they couldn't organise a root
>> in a brothel! B^D
>>>>>>> ii) Does anyone here have any strong feelings
>>>>>>> for or against trying to revive a moderated
>>>>>>> atheism newsgroup? (If so, please be as verbose
>>>>>>> as possible)
>>>>
>>>> Atheists should not have to compete in the marketplace of ideas
>>>> because they have nothing of value to exchange.
>>>>
>>>> The Sheltered Workshop and rest home for tired atheist 'intellects'
>>>> henceforth known as Atheist Pleasantville, must go ahead so that
>>>> atheists don't have to have their idea challenged any more.
>>>
>>> No
>>
>> Aw.. how sweet.. Ravin1 doesn't want to leave the REAL debate and go
>> crochet doilies with the brain dead atheists in their Old Folks Home!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>>
>> He wants to stay here where there are interesting posts by non-atheists!
>>
>> Aw.. how sweet.. Ravin1 doesn't want to leave the REAL debate and go
>> crochet doilies with the brain dead atheists in their Old Folks Home!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>>
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>>>>>> It was set up in the mid 1990s because of the amount
>>>>>> of noise here and was successful for a few years.
cult HQ because of 'noise' and trolls was bullshit, because as Ravin1
and Hysteria demonstrate they have no trouble STAYING HERE, BECAUSE
it's the ATHEISTS who make the pointless noise and its them who are the
TROLLS: B^D
# Subject: TROLL ALERT!!!! - Atheist Hysteria
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnostiscism,alt.religion,
# alt.philosophy,aus.politics,uk.politics.misc,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.usenet.kooks
# Message-ID: <AQLwr.7401$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 00:20:19 +1000
#
# TROLL ALERT!
#
# No doubt she will be allowed to post in Alt.Censored! B^D
#
# They don't mind atheist trolls
#
# From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Atheist admits they have been losing the battle
# and their numbers are declining - the strategy of exposing
# the HORRORS of atheist # History is WORKING!!!! B^D
# Re: alt.atheism.moderated - "It's non-fuctional" admits
# it's creator,
# Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 23:14:38 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID: <23b9b7be-2821-4b4e...@googlegroups.com>
#
# We don't exist.
#
#
# From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Great News! Atheists decide to emigrate to North
# Korea so they can't hear their critics!
# Re: alt.atheism.moderated - "It's # non-fuctional"
# - B^D that's for sure!
# Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 23:18:55 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID: <674fee9f-c0e1-4255...@googlegroups.com>
#
# # Mike Lovell declares atheists prefer monologue:
# ># UPDATE:
#
# We don't exist.
#
#
#
# From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Great News! Atheists decide to emigrate to North
# Korea so they can't hear their critics!
# Re: alt.atheism.moderated - "It's non-fuctional" -
# B^D that's for sure!
# Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 23:18:26 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID: <a3bd8c95-c53c-4031...@googlegroups.com>
#
# # Mike Lovell declares atheists prefer monologue:
# ># UPDATE:
#
# We don't exist.
#
#
#
# From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Great News! Atheists decide to emigrate to
# North Korea so they can't hear their critics!
# Re: alt.atheism.moderated - "It's
# non-fuctional" - B^D that's for sure!
# Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 23:18:01 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID: <6c8b9396-28ce-4dbf...@googlegroups.com>
#
#
# # Mike Lovell declares atheists prefer monologue:
# # # UPDATE:
# We don't exist.
#
# From: hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Great News! Atheists decide to emigrate to
# North Korea so they can't hear their critics!
# Re: alt.atheism.moderated - "It's alive
# again, non-fuctional" - B^D that's for sure!
# Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 23:17:19 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID: <e09ffa70-5217-4f49...@googlegroups.com>
#
# # Mike Lovell declares atheists prefer monologue:
# # # UPDATE:
# We don't exist.
#
#
#
#
# Apparently, when the Atheist Exodus set off into the wilderness
# declaring they were going to build a sealed enclosure around
# themselves to isolate the TROLLS, they didn't explain they meant;
#
# ..Isolate them ...ON THE INSIDE!!!!!!
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAA
>>>>
>>>> The rest of USENET urges atheists to seek the peace and quiet of a
>>>> controlled atheist orthodoxy.. freedom of thought really is not your
>>>> thing, you find the ideas of others to be annoying and want them
>>>> eradicated... this is a far more humane solution.. like a giant
>>>> Killfile where atheists retire en mass to the parlour and lock
>>>> themselves in.
>>>>
>>>> B^]
>>>>
>>>> Think of the endless self-congratulation, backslapping and mutual tool
>>>> fondling with no one making fun of you!
>>>>
>>>> alt.atheism.satire has increasingly become a place where ATHEISM is
>>>> satirised, rather than atheits satirising everyone else.. so it should
>>>> be abandoned.. oh hang on.. I'm told it already has been! B^]
>>>>
>>>>>> I used to have philosophical objections to moderated groups because
>>>>>> they shouldn't really be necessary, and I don't like other people
>>>>>> deciding whether my posts are appropriate or not.
>>
>> Now he has abandoned philosophy and principles for expediency...
>>
>>
>>>> But you have overcome your objection so long as it's your
>>>> posts that are allowed, because you are an Atheist
>>>> Pleasantville Regular (ie totalitarian bigot) and it's the
>>>> posts that are allowed, because you are an Atheist
>>>> other guy who gets censored.
>>>>
>>>> Atheist democracy: only the Party Members may speak! B^D
>>
>>>>
>>>> Atheist democracy: only the Party Members may speak! B^D
>>
>> ..the atheists are getting their arses kicked and they have
>> to RETREAT to a walled fortress if they don't want their ignorance being
>> constantly exposed and their prejudices being mocked. B^D
>>
>> They don't seem to understand that a moderated NG doesn't protect them,
>> it's like a mass killfile.. *communal blinkers*. We can see them AND
>> still discuss them in open forums.. but they are self blinded
>> to the open discussion because they regard REAL DEBATE as NOISE
>>
>> They would look like ridiculous hypocrites if they tried to come back
>> and JOIN the discussions they have clearly decided to RUN AWAY FROM! B^]
>>
>> BUT THEY WILL! B^D Watch and see my prediction come true!
>>
>> But, because I play them, (not like a fiddle, more like an old,
>> out-of-tune banjo ;-) I can tell you now.. they will not be able to
>> to RETREAT to a walled fortress if they don't want their ignorance being
>> constantly exposed and their prejudices being mocked. B^D
>>
>> They don't seem to understand that a moderated NG doesn't protect them,
>> it's like a mass killfile.. *communal blinkers*. We can see them AND
>> still discuss them in open forums.. but they are self blinded
>> to the open discussion because they regard REAL DEBATE as NOISE
>>
>> They would look like ridiculous hypocrites if they tried to come back
>> and JOIN the discussions they have clearly decided to RUN AWAY FROM! B^]
>>
>> BUT THEY WILL! B^D Watch and see my prediction come true!
>>
>> But, because I play them, (not like a fiddle, more like an old,
>> resist coming back.. so when they do, be ready to MOCK THEM MERCILESSLY!
>> B^]
>>
>>
>>>>
>> B^]
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Over time there were several moderators, at least one of whom used to
>>>>>> moderate on his opinion and objected to on-topic posts from atheists
>>>
>>>>>> moderate on his opinion and objected to on-topic posts from atheists
>>>
>>>>>> including some responses of mine explaining the difference between
>>>>>> atheism and agnosticism.
>>
>>>>>> atheism and agnosticism.
>>
>> So, there you have the facts the LAST time atheists tried 'moderation'
>> they got CENSORSHIP.. that's what moderation means! B^]
>>
>> And according to that atheist it was BIASED, PREJUDICED and UNFAIR..
>>
>> What a suprise! EVERY ATHEIST TYRANNY HAS BEEN!! B^D
>>
>> they got CENSORSHIP.. that's what moderation means! B^]
>>
>> And according to that atheist it was BIASED, PREJUDICED and UNFAIR..
>>
>> What a suprise! EVERY ATHEIST TYRANNY HAS BEEN!! B^D
>>
I'll leave Ravin1's forged abuse and ad hom here as evidence of
what LYING trolls the atheists are:
Text forged by Ravin1, atheist troll:
# >> a duck following atheists around quacking incessantly and shitting
on the lawn
# >
# > Edited
'forged' is the accurate term for the activities of atheist trolls
such as Vurgil and Ravin1
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The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com.au/
- Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm
---------
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
Uergil
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In article <yplxr.7466$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
His usual lies.
Fasgnadh has neither honesty nor integrity.
Alain de Botton, is a Swiss writer, philosopher, television
presenter entrepreneur and atheist... he has published bestselling
books including:
How Proust Can Change Your Life (1997)
The Consolations of Philosophy (2000)
The Art of Travel (2002)
Status Anxiety (2004)
The Architecture of Happiness (2006)
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work (2009)
A Week at the Airport (2009)
Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses
of Religion (2012)
And his main thesis in that last book is that theist religions are no
longer of any social use, since all of their virtues are readily
available to modern societies, and are quite often already incorporated
into those societies, but without any theist vices.
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
His usual lies.
Fasgnadh has neither honesty nor integrity.
Alain de Botton, is a Swiss writer, philosopher, television
presenter entrepreneur and atheist... he has published bestselling
books including:
How Proust Can Change Your Life (1997)
The Consolations of Philosophy (2000)
The Art of Travel (2002)
Status Anxiety (2004)
The Architecture of Happiness (2006)
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work (2009)
A Week at the Airport (2009)
Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses
of Religion (2012)
And his main thesis in that last book is that theist religions are no
longer of any social use, since all of their virtues are readily
available to modern societies, and are quite often already incorporated
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