You want forgiveness?

[Snow]

What is lost with some Christian dogma is a very simple idea…
Forgiveness of sins is something YOU do for yourself, it requires you
to actively, without promise of reward, move to forgive people that
sin against you and falsely accuse you.

Mat 6:12 ‘And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Here is Yeshua, teaching you the principle of forgiveness and he
hasn’t died, he didn't need to... and still he had power to forgive,
just like you and me and that power is within YOU. You want
forgiveness? You have to be the forgiver.

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is trustworthy and righteous to
forgive us the sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This principle has nothing to do with death and everything to do with
how you behave. The choice is always up to you.

Take care. Be blessed.

Mat 5:7 “Blessed are the compassionate, because they shall obtain
compassion."

You want compassion? You have to be compassionate to other people.
That my friend is the law written into your very existence.

[duke]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 16:19:44 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:

>What is lost with some Christian dogma is a very simple idea…
>Forgiveness of sins is something YOU do for yourself, it requires you
>to actively, without promise of reward, move to forgive people that
>sin against you and falsely accuse you.
>Mat 6:12 ‘And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Exactly snow, but that does not include blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. John
20:21-23 covers that.

>Here is Yeshua, teaching you the principle of forgiveness and he
>hasn’t died, he didn't need to... and still he had power to forgive,
>just like you and me and that power is within YOU. You want
>forgiveness? You have to be the forgiver.

Most definitely.

Luke 12:10 (New International Version)
10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but
anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

>
>1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is trustworthy and righteous to
>forgive us the sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>
>This principle has nothing to do with death and everything to do with
>how you behave. The choice is always up to you.
>
>Take care. Be blessed.
>
>Mat 5:7 “Blessed are the compassionate, because they shall obtain
>compassion."
>
>You want compassion? You have to be compassionate to other people.
>That my friend is the law written into your very existence.

The dukester, American - American

********************************************
Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
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[Barry OGrady]

What we need is a good God that does good things.

==============
The idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone
killed is morally repugnant.

[duke]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 23:44:50 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

>What we need is a good God that does good things.

You've got the right one now. Don't fail.

>
>==============
>The idea that we can shed our responsibility by having someone
>killed is morally repugnant.

[Snow]

I'd be happy to see good people doing good things.

[Barry OGrady]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 11:13:01 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 25 May 2013 23:44:50 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>What we need is a good God that does good things.
>
>You've got the right one now.

How do we make use of this good God?
Is it coin operated?

[Barry OGrady]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 09:19:17 -0700 (PDT), Snow
<snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:

>On May 25, 11:44�pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>> What we need is a good God that does good things.
>

>I'd be happy to see good people doing good things.

That is too logical for these newsgroups.

[GSI]

On 2013-05-25 13:16:52 +0000, duke said:

>> What is lost with some Christian dogma is a very simple idea
>>
>> Forgiveness of sins is something YOU do for yourself, it requires you
>> to actively, without promise of reward, move to forgive people that
>> sin against you and falsely accuse you.
>> Mat 6:12 ‘And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
>
> Exactly snow, but that does not include blasphemy against the Holy
> Spirit. John
> 20:21-23 covers that.
>
>> Here is Yeshua, teaching you the principle of forgiveness and he
>> hasn’t died, he didn't need to... and still he had power to forgive,
>> just like you and me and that power is within YOU. You want
>> forgiveness? You have to be the forgiver.
>
> Most definitely.
>
> Luke 12:10 (New International Version)
> 10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but
> anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

The above exchange shows that there is NO understanding
today, of what Christianity was about.

IMO, not ONE person here knows what is meant by "but anyone who

blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."

It does not mean what modern Christianity thinks it does.

To know what it means, you have to know what the "Holy Spirit" is.

Almost no one on the planet today can answer that correctly.

Until you can, your so-called Christianity is BS.

This is the MOST FUNDAMENTAL point in all of Christianity.
Not understanding this means you know nothing about
Christianity.

[Michael Christ]

Excellent, then from this day forth you will not say to anyone go and
get on with your belief, I don't care what you believe, you will be
compassionate to your neighbour

Well done, Snow.

Oh, there is one other thing, you are full of self-righteous bullshit,
otherwise its all good.




Michael Christ

[GSI]

Self-righteous bullshit???
LOL
That's a good one, "Christ".

[Snow]

On May 26, 2:44 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 May 2013 09:19:17 -0700 (PDT), Snow
>

> <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >On May 25, 11:44 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> What we need is a good God that does good things.
>
> >I'd be happy to see good people doing good things.
>
> That is too logical for these newsgroups.

Logical but what is lost on most people who practice Christianity is
that its also the doctrine of Yeshua via the story of the Good
Samaritan. Yeshua didn't care about people believed, he cared about
what they did. How can anybody say they love "Jesus" when our lives
are anything but a demonstration of love?

I respect you don't agree with me. Take care Barry, be blessed.

[duke]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 02:44:01 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

>On Sat, 25 May 2013 11:13:01 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 May 2013 23:44:50 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>What we need is a good God that does good things.
>>
>>You've got the right one now.
>
>How do we make use of this good God?
>Is it coin operated?

Get down on your knees and beg for forgiveness and absolution form God as the
right first step..

The dukester, American - American

[Snow]

On May 27, 2:16 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 02:44:01 +1000, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >On Sat, 25 May 2013 11:13:01 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

>
> >>On Sat, 25 May 2013 23:44:50 +1000, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
> >>>What we need is a good God that does good things.
>
> >>You've got the right one now.
>
> >How do we make use of this good God?
> >Is it coin operated?
>
> Get down on your knees and beg for forgiveness and absolution form God as the
> right first step..
>
> The dukester, American - American

You know I love you Duke but first you gotta be worth following.
Let's talk about being HUMBLE.

Mat 18:4 “Whoever then humbles himself as this little child is the
greatest in the reign of the heavens."
Psa 5:5 The boasters do not stand before Your eyes

You know, LOVE doesn't stop at man made borders... You might want to
think about the tags you put at the end of your post and stop being so
proud as a servant of your deity. Now, we both know that Barry has
been posting here for years. Don't you think it might be more helpful
to teach him about a deity thats worth bowing down to? We both know
that your post isn't trying to help him... You're being antagonistic
isn't going to win any souls and certainly not going to demonstrate to
anybody that what you believe has made you a better person.

Why would I bow to your deity?

Go back to the good Samaritan... read the story and then be kind
instead of being right. Don't think you can tell people what they
need to know in the same way I can't tell you... just be a good
example of a compassionate human being.

Be like your Christ, only believers repent... first they have to
believe.

[duke]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 10:48:19 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:

>On May 27, 2:16 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 02:44:01 +1000, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>> >On Sat, 25 May 2013 11:13:01 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Sat, 25 May 2013 23:44:50 +1000, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> >>>What we need is a good God that does good things.
>>
>> >>You've got the right one now.
>>
>> >How do we make use of this good God?
>> >Is it coin operated?
>>
>> Get down on your knees and beg for forgiveness and absolution form God as the
>> right first step..
>>
>> The dukester, American - American
>
>You know I love you Duke but first you gotta be worth following.
>Let's talk about being HUMBLE.

You don't have to follow me, snow. WE follow God. Jesus gave us John 20:21-23
to be reconciled to God after we have mortally (death of the soul) sinned.

John 20:21-23 (New International Version)
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am
sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy
Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not
forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

God only breathed on mankind twice, one time is Genesis when he breathed
physical life into man, and in John 20, when he breathed spiritual life into
man.

It's the only way back after blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which "will not
be forgiven in the next life."

However, I personally do feel that God gives all of us every opportunity to come
back to him. For those that don't have access to the confessional, or who are
weak in their beliefs re John 20, then the only recourse is to drop to your
knees and plead with God to forgive us. My statement was nothing more, nothing
less.

>Mat 18:4 “Whoever then humbles himself as this little child is the
>greatest in the reign of the heavens."
>Psa 5:5 The boasters do not stand before Your eyes

>You know, LOVE doesn't stop at man made borders... You might want to
>think about the tags you put at the end of your post and stop being so
>proud as a servant of your deity.

My pride is not an issue. Failure to accept what Jesus said is for those that
refuse to follow.

> Now, we both know that Barry has
>been posting here for years. Don't you think it might be more helpful
>to teach him about a deity thats worth bowing down to?

Many have tried. He doesn't care. He has dedicated his presence to making fun
of others in their beliefs. My comments here are directed at readers, not BO.

> We both know
>that your post isn't trying to help him...

Exactly. I'm using his gaming to speak to lurker.s

> You're being antagonistic
>isn't going to win any souls and certainly not going to demonstrate to
>anybody that what you believe has made you a better person.
>Why would I bow to your deity?

Ezek 33:7-9 handles that.

>Go back to the good Samaritan... read the story and then be kind
>instead of being right. Don't think you can tell people what they
>need to know in the same way I can't tell you... just be a good
>example of a compassionate human being.
>
>Be like your Christ, only believers repent... first they have to
>believe.

And BO will continue to play his games and the lurkers will benefit..

The dukester, American - American

[Snow]

On May 27, 8:06 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> >Mat 18:4 “Whoever then humbles himself as this little child is the
> >greatest in the reign of the heavens."
> >Psa 5:5 The boasters do not stand before Your eyes
> >You know, LOVE doesn't stop at man made borders... You might want to
> >think about the tags you put at the end of your post and stop being so
> >proud as a servant of your deity.
>
> My pride is not an issue.  Failure to accept what Jesus said is for those that
> refuse to follow.

Then care for the person. What do you know about Barry? Do you care
about him? Are you moving with compassion to help him or are you
acting to promote what you believe?

Jas 2:14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief
but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.
Jas 2:15 And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily
food,
Jas 2:16 but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be
filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it?
Jas 2:17 So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself
dead.

Don't put your belief ahead of your works. Let go of dogma that
doesn't save and go make a friend, get to know the person. You want
to "Follow Jesus" then put away your belief and heal the world. Be
compassionate... it's more important than what YOU believe.

Jas 2:13 For the judgment is without compassion to the one who has
shown no compassion. And compassion boasts over judgment.

It's this simple Duke... Compassion is the law.

Take care old friend.

[Linda Lee]

On May 26, 6:06 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

Duke, you're twisting the Scripture; it says blasphemy against the
Holy Spirit will NOT ever be forgiven in THIS life nor in the next
life:

Matt. 12:32, "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it
shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, neither in the
world to come."

[GSI]

On 2013-05-27 03:22:33 +0000, Linda Lee said:

>>> You know I love you Duke but first you gotta be worth following.
>>> Let's talk about being HUMBLE.
>>
>> You don't have to follow me, snow.  WE follow God.  Jesus gave us John 20:21-23
>> to be reconciled to God after we have mortally (death of the soul) sinned.
>>
>> John 20:21-23 (New International Version)
>>  21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am
>> sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy
>> Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not
>> forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
>>
>> God only breathed on mankind twice, one time is Genesis when he breathed
>> physical life into man, and in John 20, when he breathed spiritual life into
>> man.
>>
>> It's the only way back after blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which "will not
>> be forgiven in the next life."
>
> Duke, you're twisting the Scripture; it says blasphemy against the
> Holy Spirit will NOT ever be forgiven in THIS life nor in the next
> life:
>
> Matt. 12:32, "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it
> shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
> it shall not be forgiven him, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, neither in the
> world to come."

The REAL problem is NO ONE KNOWS what "blasphemy against the
Holy Spirit" is.

NO ONE KNOWS what "whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,

it shall not be forgiven him, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, neither in the

world to come" means, or why "it shall not be forgiven".

This is the MOST FUNDAMENTAL understanding in all of Christianity.
That is why no one knows what it means. It is so key to understanding
Christianity that it is almost the ONLY thing you need to know.
Yet I'd bet that fewer than half a dozen people on the planet could
answer correctly.

NOTE:
A. You need to know what "Holy Ghost" is to answer correctly.
B "whosoever speaketh against" is not meant LITERALLY. You
can say whatever you like about anything. No one is listening.
C. This is part of the trinity of Christianity:
1. You can deny the existence of a supreme being.
2. You can deny that YOU are the son/daughter of said being.
(the universe/God isn't listening - so believe/say whatever you like)
3. But you can't deny the Holy Ghost. (What is this Holy Ghost?)

Everything Jesus taught can be condensed into these 3 lines.
If you look at it closely, you can easily see that what you BELIEVE
is not important. That shoots down 95% of modern Christianity,
which is all about BELIEF, and WHO are the BELIEVERS and WHO
are the NON-BELIEVERS.
The ONLY thing that matters is this Holy Ghost!
Yet no one knows what it is, even though they call themselves
good Christians and true believers.

[GSI]

Big questions:
So what is this Holy Ghost?
Why can't you deny it?
What happens if you do?

[Snow]

On May 28, 3:40 am, GSI <g...@itchynet.com> wrote:

> >> Matt. 12:32, "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it
> >> shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
> >> it shall not be forgiven him, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, neither in the
> >> world to come."
>
> > The REAL problem is NO ONE KNOWS what "blasphemy against the
> > Holy Spirit" is.
>
> > NO ONE KNOWS what "whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
> > it shall not be forgiven him, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, neither in the
> > world to come" means, or why "it shall not be forgiven".
>
> > This is the MOST FUNDAMENTAL understanding in all of Christianity.
> > That is why no one knows what it means. It is so key to understanding
> > Christianity that it is almost the ONLY thing you need to know.
> > Yet I'd bet that fewer than half a dozen people on the planet could
> > answer correctly.
>
> > NOTE:
> > A. You need to know what "Holy Ghost" is to answer correctly.
> > B "whosoever speaketh against" is not meant LITERALLY. You
> > can say whatever you like about anything. No one is listening.
> > C. This is part of the trinity of Christianity:
> > 1. You can deny the existence of a supreme being.
> > 2. You can deny that YOU are the son/daughter of said being.
> > (the universe/God isn't listening - so believe/say whatever you like)
> > 3. But you can't deny the Holy Ghost. (What is this Holy Ghost?)

If it's such an unforgivable topic, why even continue talking about it
when you've already stated that hardly anybody knows the answer... To
me its about as productive as talking about the existence of dragons
and Santa Clause. Everything is simply speculation. Nobody knows.
deal with it.

[Linda Lee]

The Scriptures say what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is; it is
attributing the miracles of the Messiah to the Devil, as the scribes
did when they claimed Messiah performed his miracles by "the prince of
the devils" and as Duke does when he claims the miracles in the bible
are just "black magic".

Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath
Beelzebub, and ___by the prince of the devils casteth he out
devils.___
Mar 3:23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables,
How can Satan cast out Satan?
Mar 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom
cannot stand.
Mar 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot
stand.
Mar 3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he
cannot stand, but hath an end.
Mar 3:27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his
goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will
spoil his house.
Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the
sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath
never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

[Snow]

On May 28, 6:13 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

> > If it's such an unforgivable topic, why even continue talking about it
> > when you've already stated that hardly anybody knows the answer...  To
> > me its about as productive as talking about the existence of dragons
> > and Santa Clause.  Everything is simply speculation.  Nobody knows.
> > deal with it.
>
> The Scriptures say what blasphemy

I don't know how you people got on this topic and I don't care.

[GSI]

So you want to "just deal with it" and move on? Just forget about
the fact that you have no clue what the MOST IMPORTANT
concept in Christianity even means? Just continue on argueing
over the usual bullshit, and ignore the elephant in the room?

Easy for you to say, Snow, since you're a Jew*. You're not really
interested in anything Jesus said. But I would hope the REAL
Christians here would want to understand the most basic
concept in all of Christianity.

And don't say "Nobody knows". You don't know THAT either.

*wannabe

[GSI]

So, WHAT IS THE "HOLY SPIRIT"??

> Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath
> Beelzebub, and ___by the prince of the devils casteth he out
> devils.___
> Mar 3:23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables,
> How can Satan cast out Satan?
> Mar 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom
> cannot stand.
> Mar 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot
> stand.
> Mar 3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he
> cannot stand, but hath an end.
> Mar 3:27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his
> goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will
> spoil his house.
> Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the
> sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
> Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath
> never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
> Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

These last 2 quotes, Mar 3:29/30 are very good. They give you
a very good clue about what the Holy Spirit is.

[GSI]

What's the matter, Snow? Have I pushed you off the podium from
where you were demonstrating your great "compassion" and
holiness to all us sinners?

[Snow]

On May 28, 1:32 pm, GSI <g...@itchynet.com> wrote:

> > If it's such an unforgivable topic, why even continue talking about it
> > when you've already stated that hardly anybody knows the answer...  To
> > me its about as productive as talking about the existence of dragons
> > and Santa Clause.  Everything is simply speculation.  Nobody knows.
> > deal with it.
>
> So you want to "just deal with it" and move on? Just forget about
> the fact that you have no clue what the MOST IMPORTANT
> concept in Christianity even means? Just continue on argueing
> over the usual bullshit, and ignore the elephant in the room?
>
> Easy for you to say, Snow, since you're a Jew*. You're not really
> interested in anything Jesus said. But I would hope the REAL
> Christians here would want to understand the most basic
> concept in all of Christianity.
>
> And don't say "Nobody knows". You don't know THAT either.
>
> *wannabe

With respect dear sir, I label my belief Messianic and I derive my
understanding from Yeshua words only. The one I don't follow is the
Pharisee (acts 23:6 named Paul.)

I personally am fine with not having all the answers in life. I'm
happy to let go and allow my higher power YHWH to work his way in my
life and I put my trust in him and the law of COMPASSION just as
Yeshua taught.

Mat 5:7 “Blessed are the compassionate, because they shall obtain
compassion.

Jas 2:13 For the judgment is without compassion to the one who has
shown no compassion. And compassion boasts over judgment.

I don't try to over complicate matters or inject my own wisdom into
the matter and I don't try to add my own judgment and tell people who
is coming or going in heaven when that is not my position to save or
destroy. When Yeshua said, "Follow me", it was an active calling to
do good, not a hollow calling to believe I'm good and thats where I
differ from most Christians... I don't care what you believe and
neither did Yeshua.

Luk 10:33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he
was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

Do you notice the common theme here? COMPASSION. It requires you to
act.

[GSI]

Compassion is more a RESULT or "byproduct" of Christianity.
It's not what Christianity is about.
Christianity IS about the Holy Spirit.
And why do you call Jesus "Yeshua"?

[Snow]

On May 28, 7:00 pm, GSI <g...@itchynet.com> wrote:

> > I don't try to over complicate matters or inject my own wisdom into
> > the matter and I don't try to add my own judgment and tell people who
> > is coming or going in heaven when that is not my position to save or
> > destroy.  When Yeshua said, "Follow me", it was an active calling to
> > do good, not a hollow calling to believe I'm good and thats where I
> > differ from most Christians...  I don't care what you believe and
> > neither did Yeshua.
>
> > Luk 10:33  But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he
> > was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
>
> > Do you notice the common theme here? COMPASSION. It requires you to
> > act.
>
> Compassion is more a RESULT or "byproduct" of Christianity.
> It's not what Christianity is about.
> Christianity IS about the Holy Spirit.
> And why do you call Jesus "Yeshua"?

Probably why I make it clear that I'm Messianic and don't care what
you believe. My belief doesn't require you to share my belief, it
requires that I act on my own principles. What you do as you cross
and pass by the man who was beaten and robbed is really up to you.

Why would I call Yeshua another name? Do you think I should change
your name if I 'translate' it?

[GSI]

You don't have to be ANY religion to be compassionate.
ANY real human being will help another who has been
beaten and robbed.

> Why would I call Yeshua another name? Do you think I should change
> your name if I 'translate' it?

Why not Jesus? Yeshua is a translation itself.
AFAIK, Jesus did not use the Roman alphabet.

[Snow]

Would you prefer I share the name of (Yeshua) יהושע to you in Hebrew
characters? I'm fine with that but it doesn't always work well with
other peoples browsers on Usenet.

[GSI]

Why not just use Jesus, like everybody else.

[Snow]

Because I have no desire to propagate your error. Why do you think I
should be like you?

The prophets never spoke of such of a name but they teach of Yeshua:

Zec 6:11 “And you shall take the silver and gold, make a crown, and
set it on the head of Yeshua the son of Yehotsadaq, the high priest,
Zec 6:12 and shall speak to him, saying, ‘Thus said יהוה [YAHWEH] of
hosts, saying, “See, the Man whose name is the Branch1! And from His
place He shall branch out, and He shall build the temple of [YAHWEH]
יהוה. Footnote 1See 3:8.

[Terry Cross]

I believe you are mistaken. Compassion is both the final societal
product and the ship that takes us there.

> Christianity IS about the Holy Spirit.

The elements are inseparable.

> And why do you call Jesus "Yeshua"?

TCross

[Snow]

On May 28, 9:45 pm, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Compassion is both the final societal
> product and the ship that takes us there.

> TCross

That my friend is a brilliant quote, May I quote you?

[GSI]

most people are compassionate, whether they are religious or not.
When a baby cries, you want to help.

>
>> Christianity IS about the Holy Spirit.
>
> The elements are inseparable.

What is the Holy spirit?

[duke]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:45:52 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:

>On May 27, 8:06 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> >Mat 18:4 “Whoever then humbles himself as this little child is the
>> >greatest in the reign of the heavens."
>> >Psa 5:5 The boasters do not stand before Your eyes
>> >You know, LOVE doesn't stop at man made borders... You might want to
>> >think about the tags you put at the end of your post and stop being so
>> >proud as a servant of your deity.
>>
>> My pride is not an issue.  Failure to accept what Jesus said is for those that
>> refuse to follow.
>
>Then care for the person. What do you know about Barry? Do you care
>about him? Are you moving with compassion to help him or are you
>acting to promote what you believe?

I care about him as an individual. I also remember his early-only line of
insults he threw at me years ago.

>Don't put your belief ahead of your works. Let go of dogma that
>doesn't save and go make a friend, get to know the person. You want
>to "Follow Jesus" then put away your belief and heal the world. Be
>compassionate... it's more important than what YOU believe.
>
>Jas 2:13 For the judgment is without compassion to the one who has
>shown no compassion. And compassion boasts over judgment.
>
>It's this simple Duke... Compassion is the law.
>
>Take care old friend.

[duke]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 20:22:33 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
wrote:

If Jesus had not given us the sacrament of Reconcliation to God, I could agree
with your "obvious line of discussion." Sins against man can be forgiven in the
next life. Sins against God take the confessional.

>Matt. 12:32, "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it
>shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
>it shall not be forgiven him, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, neither in the
>world to come."

Right. God forgives, but when you sin against him, it's the confessional.

[duke]

Might I suggest it's calling yourself his equal and acting on it..

>NO ONE KNOWS what "whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
>it shall not be forgiven him, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, neither in the
>world to come" means, or why "it shall not be forgiven".

Well, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to come up with an idea. It's
Eve's sin against God; it's rejecting the 10 commandments. It's denying Jesus
as Son of God.

[duke]

They'll never go for it, snow. They just don't get it. For them, it's always
been an issue of no actions/works of love at all required for salvation.

John 13:34: Love one another as I have loved you. Follow me.

[duke]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 13:13:00 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
wrote:

>The Scriptures say what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is; it is
>attributing the miracles of the Messiah to the Devil, as the scribes
>did when they claimed Messiah performed his miracles by "the prince of
>the devils" and as Duke does when he claims the miracles in the bible
>are just "black magic".

I have to say this, linda. You are an awfully confused person, and now you've
gone over the deep end.

Jesus the man could not perform miracles. God did it. But they are not
miracles to God for he is almighty. Man, in his fully inadequate self, might
see black magic.

[duke]

What is God?

[Snow]

With all due respect, I disagree again and I'll tell you why... Always
hopeful.

Let me share with you as a co-creator of your new reality:

"If you treat an individual as he is, he will remain how he is.

I have come to the frightening conclusion that I am the decisive
element. It is my personal approach that creates the climate. It is my
daily mood that makes the weather. I possess tremendous power to make
life miserable or joyous. I can be a tool of torture or an instrument
of inspiration, I can humiliate or humor, hurt or heal. In all
situations, it is my response that decides whether a crisis is
escalated or de-escalated, and a person is humanized or de-humanized.
If we treat people as they are, we make them worse. If we treat people
as they ought to be, we help them become what they are capable of
becoming." — Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Ideas are fruits of your thinking. But they've got to be harnessed and
put to work to have value.

Hope this helps you on your walk. Take care ol' friend. Treat them
better than they deserve. Be compassionate.

[Linda Lee]

On May 28, 2:47 am, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
>
> I don't care what you believe and
> neither did Yeshua.

That is NOT true that Yahsahua`/Jesus did not care what we believe; he
cared very much what we believe about him.

Christ said in John 3:18, "He that believeth on him is not condemned:
but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not
believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Christ said in John 8:24, "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall
die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in
your sins."

[Rod]

On 5/28/2013 2:30 PM, duke wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2013 13:13:00 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The Scriptures say what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is; it is
>> attributing the miracles of the Messiah to the Devil, as the scribes
>> did when they claimed Messiah performed his miracles by "the prince of
>> the devils" and as Duke does when he claims the miracles in the bible
>> are just "black magic".
>
> I have to say this, linda. You are an awfully confused person, and now you've
> gone over the deep end.
>
> Jesus the man could not perform miracles. God did it. But they are not
> miracles to God for he is almighty. Man, in his fully inadequate self, might
> see black magic.
>
>

No such thing as "black magic", there is only the power of what
people call God and it's use or misuse.

[Linda Lee]

LOL! You've been preaching this for years, and you still can't spell
Yeshua in Hebrew letters? Those Hebrew characters you cited do NOT
spell Yeshua.

The characters you cited - יהושע - spell the consonant letters of
Yehoshua` or Yahashua`. And it is that name The Scriptures 1998 you
like to cite uses for the Messiah; The Scriptures 1998 does NOT call
him Yeshua.

THIS spells Yeshua` (its consonant letters only - read right to left)
- ישׁוּע

The ה letter (called He) is transliterated as the English letter 'h';
the ש letter (called Shin) is transliterated as the two English
letters 'sh'. There is no He letter ה in Yeshua.

See Heb. 3091 in the Strong's Hebrew lexicon for the Hebrew lettering
of Yehoshua`/Yahashua`, and see Heb. 3442/3443 for the Hebrew
lettering of Yeshua`.

[Snow]

I'm certain in your own mind you are right.

[Linda Lee]

Lol! You have your own unique errors.

>
> Why do you think I
> should be like you?
>
> The prophets never spoke of such of a name but they teach of Yeshua:

You're misquoting Zec. 6:11-12; the name used in Zec. 6:11-12 is
translated from Heb. 3091 - Yehoshua`/Yahashua`.

[The Scriptures 1998]

Zec 6:11 “And you shall take the silver and gold, make a crown, and

set it on the head of Yehoshua the son of Yehotsaḏaq, the high
priest,
Zec 6:12 and shall speak to him, saying, ‘Thus said יהוה of hosts,

saying, “See, the Man whose name is the Branch1! And from His place He

shall branch out, and He shall build the Hĕḵal of יהוה. Footnote 1See

3:8.


>
> Zec 6:11 “And you shall take the silver and gold, make a crown, and
> set it on the head of Yeshua the son of Yehotsadaq, the high priest,
> Zec 6:12 and shall speak to him, saying, ‘Thus said יהוה [YAHWEH] of
> hosts, saying, “See, the Man whose name is the Branch1! And from His
> place He shall branch out, and He shall build the temple of [YAHWEH]
> יהוה. Footnote 1See 3:8.

Why are you twisting even The Scriptures 1998; that is obviously what
you're quoting as you've included the Footnote, but you have changed
the name from Yehoshua to Yeshua. What is your reasoning behind that -
other than you don't care if what you're 'teaching' is false.

[Linda Lee]

On May 28, 12:30 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 20:22:33 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>

Why do you say "Right" when what you said is not what Matt. 12:32
says?

[Linda Lee]

On May 28, 8:57 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> On May 29, 10:53 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

> > LOL! You've been preaching this for years, and you still can't spell
> > Yeshua in Hebrew letters? Those Hebrew characters you cited do NOT
> > spell Yeshua.
>
> > The characters you cited - יהושע - spell the consonant letters of
> > Yehoshua` or Yahashua`. And it is that name The Scriptures 1998 you
> > like to cite uses for the Messiah; The Scriptures 1998 does NOT call
> > him Yeshua.
>
> > THIS spells Yeshua` (its consonant letters only - read right to left)
> > - ישׁוּע
>
> > The ה letter (called He) is transliterated as the English letter 'h';
> > the ש letter (called Shin) is transliterated as the two English
> > letters 'sh'. There is no He letter ה in Yeshua.
>
> > See Heb. 3091 in the Strong's Hebrew lexicon for the Hebrew lettering
> > of Yehoshua`/Yahashua`, and see Heb. 3442/3443 for the Hebrew
> > lettering of Yeshua`.
>

> > > I'm fine with that but it doesn't always work well with
> > > other peoples browsers on Usenet.
>

> I'm certain in your own mind you are right.

I am right about this. Look it up - Einstein.

As I said, you're extremely thick-skulled.

[Linda Lee]

On May 28, 3:30 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2013 13:13:00 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>

> wrote:
>
> >The Scriptures say what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is; it is
> >attributing the miracles of the Messiah to the Devil, as the scribes
> >did when they claimed Messiah performed his miracles by "the prince of
> >the devils" and as Duke does when he claims the miracles in the bible
> >are just "black magic".
>
> I have to say this, linda. You are an awfully confused person, and now you've
> gone over the deep end.

Cut the crap; every time I say I believe a miracle portrayed in the
Bible, you say I believe in "black magic". Yes, Duke, I believe in
miracles, and they are not black magic.

[Snow]

On May 29, 10:32 am, Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
> > Jesus the man could not perform miracles.  God did it.  But they are not
> > miracles to God for he is almighty.  Man, in his fully inadequate self, might
> > see black magic.
>
>     No such thing as "black magic", there is only the power of what
> people call God and it's use or misuse.

You show a deeper understanding of the nature of things. I believe
the same idea is expressed here:

Isa 45:5 ‘I am [YAHWEH] יהוה, and there is none else – there is no
Elohim besides Me. I gird you, though you have not known Me,
Isa 45:6 so that they know from the rising of the sun to its setting
that there is none but Me. I am [YAHWEH] יהוה, and there is none
else,
Isa 45:7 forming light and creating darkness, making peace and
creating evil. I [YAHWEH], יהוה, do all these.’

[Snow]

On May 29, 10:59 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> > Zec 6:11 “And you shall take the silver and gold, make a crown, and
> > set it on the head of Yeshua the son of Yehotsadaq, the high priest,
> > Zec 6:12 and shall speak to him, saying, ‘Thus said יהוה [YAHWEH] of
> > hosts, saying, “See, the Man whose name is the Branch1! And from His
> > place He shall branch out, and He shall build the temple of [YAHWEH]
> > יהוה. Footnote 1See 3:8.
>
> Why are you twisting even The Scriptures 1998; that is obviously what
> you're quoting as you've included the Footnote, but you have changed
> the name from Yehoshua to Yeshua. What is your reasoning behind that -
> other than you don't care if what you're 'teaching' is false.

I have found in the past that those who are the hardest of all to
love, are usually the ones who need it most. Thanks for sharing your
opinion. Take care and be blessed.

[GSI]

set it on the head of Yeshua the son of Yehotsadaq, the high priest,…"

You have successuflly misdirected the discussion into
the usual bullshit that serves to prove how sophisticated
your knowledge of Hebrew bullshit is, while ignoring the
real wisdom of Christianity.
Understandable, since, in your own words, you
"don't care about" the meaning of Holy Spirit.
It's not important to you. What IS important to you is the
precise use of the Hebrew name of someone who may
have been Jesus.

Do you really think Jesus would want a silver and gold
crown on his head??

None of this is REAL Christianity. It's the kind of BULLSHIT
that old Talmudic men, who have never had sex, argue
about all day.

Christianity is about Oneness. It's about being filled with
the Holy Spirit. It's about enlightenment, in other words.
Just like most other religions.

[Snow]

Respectfully, you are the one who keeps insisting that propagate your
errors when I've made it clear I have no desire to. If what everybody
else is doing is wrong, do you think its right that you do what is
wrong?

Now, I was speaking on the topic of forgiveness and since that is what
I felt compelled to speak about.

You like to talk about things you want to talk about, I'm fine with
that but you really should talk to people that want to listen to you
and not just insist you can hijack a conversation and steer it where
you want.

I see this as yet another opportunity to practice forgiveness and
love... to be a living demonstration of my own belief.. a messianic.

Thanks for sharing with me.

[GSI]

YOU and DUKE turned the discussion into "blasphemy against the
Holy Spirit".
I asked you to define Holy Spirit. You declined.
The truth is YOU DON"T KNOW, and don't care, as you admitted.
I said that it's the MOST fundamental and important concept in
all of Christianity. You ignored the point, and instead focused
on your asshole reasons for calling Jesus "Yahahahooshua" or
whatever.
You've turned into Michael Christ. Another Aussie telling us
sinners how we need to rub our faces in the dirt and beg
forgiveness all day long every day. Oh, and be
"compassionate".
Do you REALLY think this bullshit is going to make anyone
happier, healthier, wiser?
No, it isn't. It's not going to change anyone.

So carry on with your discussions about how many angels
can dance on the head of a pin, and "compassion" etc.
It's an open forum, but I'll try not to bring up anything that
you don't want to talk about.

[Snow]

On May 29, 7:12 pm, GSI <g...@itchynet.com> wrote:

> > I see this as yet another opportunity to practice forgiveness and
> > love... to be a living demonstration of my own belief.. a messianic.
>
> > Thanks for sharing with me.

> The truth is YOU DON"T KNOW, and don't care, as you admitted.

See, you can learn something. Now why do you assume that everybody
else cares to propagate your errors? I've tolerated you my friend and
that in itself is a demonstration of love.

We do not have to agree. You must learn that other people are
independent of your good opinion. Your judgment of other people does
not define them, it defines your need to want to judge other people.

I see a miracle in you that is capable of great things if you learn to
focus your being on love and stop being worried about being right.
See, I have spoken to the topic that I do know. I hope you have a
blessed day and take care.

[GSI]

"to propagate my errors"??
What an asshole. What is it with you Aussies?
end of discussion for me.

asshole.

[Linda Lee]

Your alleged 'response' has nothing to do with the fact that you are
falsifying the text in The Scriptures 1998. What a conman and false
teacher you are, Snowjob. In this post you've left your altered text
in which you changed the name Yehoshua to Yeshua and have deleted the
actual quote I provided from the scripture version you allegedly
'use' (misuse).

Here it is again; truth versus your lie:

[The Scriptures 1998]

Zec 6:11 “And you shall take the silver and gold, make a crown, and

set it on the head of Yehoshua the son of Yehotsaḏaq, the high
priest,
Zec 6:12 and shall speak to him, saying, ‘Thus said יהוה of hosts,

saying, “See, the Man whose name is the Branch1! And from His place He

shall branch out, and He shall build the Hĕḵal of יהוה. Footnote 1See
3:8.


And in the NT, The Scriptures 1998 uses the Hebrew consonant lettering
for the Hebrew name Yehoshua`/Yahashua` (Jesus) and NOT the Aramaic
name Yeshua as you claim.

Yeshua = ישׁוּע


Yehoshua`/Yahashua` = יהושע


[The Scriptures 1998]
Matt. 1:1, "The book of the genealogy of יהושע Messiah, Son of Dawiḏ,
Son of Aḇraham".


I forgive you for your compulsion to lie - even about the name of the
Messiah. Apparently, YHWH has put a lying spirit in your mouth.

[Snow]

"When you exhaust all possibilities, remember this: you haven't. If we
all did the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astound
ourselves." — Thomas Edison

Why can't we live together?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwBjrboyPQc&feature=related

"You are not here merely to make a living. You are here to enable the
world to live more amply, with greater vision, and with a finer spirit
of hope and achievement. You are here to enrich the world. You
impoverish yourself if you forget this errand."
— U.S. President Woodrow Wilson

“We must live together as brothers or perish together as fools.”
- Martin Luther King Jr.
I choose to make my focus on the truly great peace makers of
society... The men who spoke of peace and became beacons of hope and
light. Those are the men you should remember... the ones that inspire
brotherhood and love of neighbors.

There is discrimination in this world and slavery and slaughter and
starvation. Governments repress their people; millions are trapped in
poverty while the nation grows rich and wealth is lavished on
armaments everywhere. These are differing evils, but they are the
common works of man. They reflect the imperfection of human justice,
the inadequacy of human compassion, our lack of sensibility towards
the suffering of our fellows. But we can perhaps remember -- even if
only for a time -- that those who live with us are our brothers; that
they share with us the same short moment of life; that they seek -- as
we do -- nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and
happiness, winning what satisfaction and fulfillment they can.

Surely, this bond of common faith, this bond of common goal, can begin
to teach us something. Surely, we can learn, at least, to look at
those around us as fellow men. And surely we can begin to work a
little harder to bind up the wounds among us and to become in our own
hearts brothers and countrymen once again. The answer is to rely on
youth -- not a time of life but a state of mind, a temper of the will,
a quality of imagination, a predominance of courage over timidity, of
the appetite for adventure over the love of ease. The cruelties and
obstacles of this swiftly changing planet will not yield to the
obsolete dogmas and outworn slogans. They cannot be moved by those who
cling to a present that is already dying, who prefer the illusion of
security to the excitement and danger that come with even the most
peaceful progress.

It is a revolutionary world we live in, and this generation at home
and around the world has had thrust upon it a greater burden of
responsibility than any generation that has ever lived. Some believe
there is nothing one man or one woman can do against the enormous
array of the world's ills. Yet many of the world's great movements, of
thought and action, have flowed from the work of a single man. A young
monk began the Protestant reformation; a young general extended an
empire from Macedonia to the borders of the earth; a young woman
reclaimed the territory of France; and it was a young Italian explorer
who discovered the New World, and the 32 year-old Thomas Jefferson who
[pro]claimed that "all men are created equal."

These men moved the world, and so can we all. Few will have the
greatness to bend history itself, but each of us can work to change a
small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be
written the history of this generation. *It is from numberless diverse
acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped.* Each time a
man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or
strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope,
and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and
daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the
mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.

Few are willing to brave the disapproval of their fellows, the censure
of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a
rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it
is the one essential, vital quality for those who seek to change a
world that yields most painfully to change. And I believe that in this
generation those with the courage to enter the moral conflict will
find themselves with companions in every corner of the globe."
- Robert Kennedy

Why can't we live together?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwBjrboyPQc&feature=related

How many of you would read this to your kids?

[Linda Lee]

On May 28, 10:31 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:

- Hide quoted text -

[Snow]

On May 29, 9:58 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

> > I have found in the past that those who are the hardest of all to
> > love, are usually the ones who need it most.  Thanks for sharing your
> > opinion.  Take care and be blessed.
>
> Your alleged 'response'

Even my response is alleged.. LOL No winning with you. Take care.

[Rod]

The words of Christ are good words to apply to a persons life,
but so to are the ten commandments, though the commandments
themselves do not speak so clearly of Love as Christ has.

If it is love you truly speak of, then dismissing Linda's questions
in this way may avoid strife down the road, but it creates a strife
to replace that which you chose to avoid.

It would be best to answer the questions.

[Snow]

On May 30, 1:50 am, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I have found in the past that those who are the hardest of all to
> > love, are usually the ones who need it most.
>
>    The words of Christ are good words to apply to a persons life,
>    but so to are the ten commandments, though the commandments
>    themselves do not speak so clearly of Love as Christ has.
>
>    If it is love you truly speak of, then dismissing Linda's questions
>    in this way may avoid strife down the road, but it creates a strife
>    to replace that which you chose to avoid.
>
>    It would be best to answer the questions.

Pro 26:20 Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there
is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.

I would beg to disagree with you. Your idea presumes some form of
need allow others to control the course of your conversation, you owe
these people nothing. You own me nothing either except that you get
off your ass and think for yourself Rod. You know whats right to do
and you know better then to cling to the way of strife.

Let go and let your higher power.

Pro 10:12 Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all transgressions.

Better to let go and love.

Take care old friend. It is the spirit that gives life and if you
see a light in another person that is darkness, think for yourself.
Let your light just shine, it’s there if you let it. Take care, be
well. Be blessed.

[Rod]

On 5/29/2013 11:08 AM, Snow wrote:
> On May 30, 1:50 am, Rod<nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I have found in the past that those who are the hardest of all to
>>> love, are usually the ones who need it most.
>>
>> The words of Christ are good words to apply to a persons life,
>> but so to are the ten commandments, though the commandments
>> themselves do not speak so clearly of Love as Christ has.
>>
>> If it is love you truly speak of, then dismissing Linda's questions
>> in this way may avoid strife down the road, but it creates a strife
>> to replace that which you chose to avoid.
>>
>> It would be best to answer the questions.
>
> Pro 26:20 Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there
> is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.
>
> I would beg to disagree with you. Your idea presumes some form of
> need allow others to control the course of your conversation,

You see what you want to see, preferring your own answers as many do
here. I ONLY opened a door for you to make an inroad to reasoning
with Linda...and you slammed it shut.

> you owe
> these people nothing.

This isn't Love talking, it's impatience and frustration and anger.

> You own me nothing either except that you get
> off your ass and think for yourself Rod.

You ARE one of those YOU described above, Snow, you made yourself one
when you refused to walk the extra mile for the well being of another,
that other being Linda..

> You know whats right to do
> and you know better then to cling to the way of strife.

Apparently you have your own problems with perception. When you are
ready to listen to me I will explain to you why I think this course
holds promise.

>
> Let go and let your higher power.

This is tantamount to let go and let someone else do what I should be
accepting the responsibility for. Are you certain that you aren't
Christian ??

>
> Pro 10:12 Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all transgressions.

And why haven't you learned from this verse ?

>
> Better to let go and love.

I have. I can talk to Linda without strife or hate, and I like her.
She even speaks with perceived kindness to me...can YOU say as much, and
if not why ? To get love you have to give it. it isn't what you
say that conveys love and concern, but what you do for others.

Actions speak can speak volumes but words tend to lie..


You cut Linda short, slamming a door in her face...the height of
rudeness and contempt.



>
> Take care old friend.

I will...but most surely it is you causing your own problems,
my concern is for you.

It is the spirit that gives life and if you
> see a light in another person that is darkness, think for yourself.
> Let your light just shine, it’s there if you let it.

This is an exercise in futility.

> Take care, be
> well. Be blessed.

be that blessing to Linda, not the slap to her face..

[Snow]

On May 30, 2:45 am, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > You know whats right to do
> > and you know better then to cling to the way of strife.
>
>    Apparently you have your own problems with perception. When you are
> ready to listen to me I will explain to you why I think this course
> holds promise.

Then you walk your own course and stop believing its your business to
concern yourself with anything but our own self improvement and since
you don't know me from Jack, it's fair to say, "Mind your own
business." Go explain this need to propagate your own need for strife
to somebody interested in argument that is based on the premise that
ideas compete instead of egos. EGO (edging god out)....

Let me be very clear to you, I don't post for yours or anybody elses
amusement or so we can sit around and pat each other on the back.

You don't like what I say, You don't have to agree. We don't even
have to speak. It is all YOUR CHOICE but time is lifes most valuable
commodity.. spend it wisely.

Peace..

Hope this helps you in some way shape or form...

[Rod]

Allow me to quote someone that you don't know well at all;

"If you treat an individual as he is, he will remain how he is."



"I have come to the frightening conclusion that I am the decisive
element. It is my personal approach that creates the climate."

And you hoped for a change in others... What about the change in
you...?

Enough said...

[Snow]

You seem to think I need to treat anybody any specific way when we are
of course living in a world with 7 BILLION other people who deserve my
attention a hell of lot more because I can help them... a lot of
people actually want to know me. It is enough that I have passed the
buck onto you. It's your choice and what you do rest on your own
shoulders.. Your worse than a grandmother trying to lay guilt around
here..

We are independent of each others good opinion. (echo)

[Snow]

On May 30, 3:44 am, Pete <m...@ham.mer> wrote:
> > I forgive you for your compulsion to lie - even about the name of the
> > Messiah.  Apparently, YHWH has put a lying spirit in your mouth.
>

> Do those of the spirit of anti-Christ lie, or are they just deceived not
> knowing any better. One would swear he is the reincarnation of MC, just
> shaded differently.

"I am nothing special, of this I am sure. I am a common man with
common thoughts and I've led a common life. There are no monuments
dedicated to me and my name will soon be forgotten, but I've loved
another with all my heart and soul, and to me, this has always been
enough.." — Nicholas Sparks (The Notebook)

http://youtu.be/aAssXc2h4IM

[Snow]

On May 30, 4:05 am, Pete <m...@ham.mer> wrote:

> I cannot forget whom I never knew.
> - Peter B. (A believer in the Lord Jesus Christ)

but not a follower... LOL

Mat 20:34 And having been moved with compassion, יהושע [YESHUA]
touched their eyes. And immediately their eyes received sight, and
they followed Him.

[Rod]

I believe you need to take some of your own advice above..
but to do that you must first perceive and understand,
and it is plain that you do not.


Good day Snow.

[duke]

On Wed, 29 May 2013 10:50:06 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/28/2013 9:31 PM, Snow wrote:
>> On May 29, 10:59 am, Linda Lee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

>>>> Zec 6:11 鄭nd you shall take the silver and gold, make a crown, and

>>>> set it on the head of Yeshua the son of Yehotsadaq, the high priest,

>>>> Zec 6:12 and shall speak to him, saying, 禅hus said ???? [YAHWEH] of
>>>> hosts, saying, 鉄ee, the Man whose name is the Branch1! And from His

>>>> place He shall branch out, and He shall build the temple of [YAHWEH]

>>>> ????. Footnote 1See 3:8.

>>>
>>> Why are you twisting even The Scriptures 1998; that is obviously what
>>> you're quoting as you've included the Footnote, but you have changed
>>> the name from Yehoshua to Yeshua. What is your reasoning behind that -
>>> other than you don't care if what you're 'teaching' is false.
>>
>> I have found in the past that those who are the hardest of all to
>> love, are usually the ones who need it most.
>
> The words of Christ are good words to apply to a persons life,
> but so to are the ten commandments, though the commandments
> themselves do not speak so clearly of Love as Christ has.
>
> If it is love you truly speak of, then dismissing Linda's questions
> in this way may avoid strife down the road, but it creates a strife
> to replace that which you chose to avoid.

Linda won't consider any other option, Rod.

>
> It would be best to answer the questions.
>
>
> Thanks for sharing your
>> opinion. Take care and be blessed.

The dukester, American - American

********************************************
Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
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[duke]

>>>>>> Would you prefer I share the name of (Yeshua) ????? to you in Hebrew

>>>>>> characters?  I'm fine with that but it doesn't always work well with
>>>>>> other peoples browsers on Usenet.
>>>
>>>>> Why not just use Jesus, like everybody else.
>>>
>>>> Because I have no desire to propagate your error.  Why do you think I
>>>> should be like you?
>>>
>>>> The prophets never spoke of such of a name but they teach of Yeshua:
>>>
>>>> Zec 6:11 “And you shall take the silver and gold, make a crown, and
>>>> set it on the head of Yeshua the son of Yehotsadaq, the high priest,

>>>> Zec 6:12 and shall speak to him, saying, ‘Thus said ???? [YAHWEH] of

>>>> hosts, saying, “See, the Man whose name is the Branch1! And from His
>>>> place He shall branch out, and He shall build the temple of [YAHWEH]

>>>> ????. Footnote 1See 3:8.

>>>
>>> "“And you shall take the silver and gold, make a crown, and
>>> set it on the head of Yeshua the son of Yehotsadaq, the high priest,…"
>>>
>>> You have successuflly misdirected the discussion into
>>> the usual bullshit that serves to prove how sophisticated
>>> your knowledge of Hebrew bullshit is, while ignoring the
>>> real wisdom of Christianity.
>>
>>
>> Respectfully, you are the one who keeps insisting that propagate your
>> errors when I've made it clear I have no desire to. If what everybody
>> else is doing is wrong, do you think its right that you do what is
>> wrong?
>>
>> Now, I was speaking on the topic of forgiveness and since that is what
>> I felt compelled to speak about.
>>
>> You like to talk about things you want to talk about, I'm fine with
>> that but you really should talk to people that want to listen to you
>> and not just insist you can hijack a conversation and steer it where
>> you want.
>>
>> I see this as yet another opportunity to practice forgiveness and
>> love... to be a living demonstration of my own belief.. a messianic.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing with me.

>YOU and DUKE turned the discussion into "blasphemy against the
>Holy Spirit".
>I asked you to define Holy Spirit. You declined.

He's a Messianic Jew. He doesn't believe in the Holy Spirit. Sounds like being
caught between a rock and a hard spot.

Now I can answer that the Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the triune Godhead
who learned from Jesus and was sent by the Father and the Son to teach, guide,
consul and comfort us.

>The truth is YOU DON"T KNOW, and don't care, as you admitted.
>I said that it's the MOST fundamental and important concept in
>all of Christianity. You ignored the point, and instead focused
>on your asshole reasons for calling Jesus "Yahahahooshua" or
>whatever.

[duke]

On Wed, 29 May 2013 12:05:36 -0700, Pete <m...@ham.mer> wrote:

>> Mat 20:34 And having been moved with compassion, ????? [YESHUA]

>> touched their eyes. And immediately their eyes received sight, and
>> they followed Him.
>

>You can laugh all you want, it is an empty hollow laugh from below.

No, you're not a follow of Jesus. You just give him lip service and reject what
he teaches.

[Linda Lee]

On May 29, 8:15 am, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> On May 29, 9:58 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > I have found in the past that those who are the hardest of all to
> > > love, are usually the ones who need it most.  Thanks for sharing your
> > > opinion.  Take care and be blessed.
>
> > Your alleged 'response'
>
> Even my response is alleged..

Because you did not respond at all to what was said about what you've
done; you evaded.

It always amazes me that people like you will present untruths _in
writing_ when their lack of validity is easily checked out. In this
case, anyone who has access to an online Strong's with a Hebrew
lexicon (that is everyone who has a computer i.e. everyone posting
here) can discern you are lying when you say the Hebrew consonant
letters יהושׁע spell Yeshua when they actually spell the consonant
letters of Yehoshua`. On top of that false claim, you replaced the
name Yehoshua with the name Yeshua when you "quoted" Zec. 6:11-12 from
The Scriptures 1998. Why do you feel the compulsion to lie?

[The Scriptures 1998 - actual quote]

Zec 6:11 “And you shall take the silver and gold, make a crown, and
set it on the head of Yehoshua the son of Yehotsaḏaq, the high
priest,
Zec 6:12 and shall speak to him, saying, ‘Thus said יהוה of hosts,
saying, “See, the Man whose name is the Branch1! And from His place He
shall branch out, and He shall build the Hĕḵal of יהוה. Footnote 1See
3:8.

Yehoshua
Heb. 3091
יהושׁע יהושׁוּע
yehôshûa‛ yehôshûa‛
yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the
Jewish leader

Yeshua
Heb. 3442
ישׁוּע
yêshûa‛
yah-shoo'-ah
For H3091; he will save; Jeshua, the name of two Israelites, also of a
place in Palestine

[duke]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 18:08:17 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
wrote:

>On May 28, 3:30 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 13:13:00 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >The Scriptures say what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is; it is
>> >attributing the miracles of the Messiah to the Devil, as the scribes
>> >did when they claimed Messiah performed his miracles by "the prince of
>> >the devils" and as Duke does when he claims the miracles in the bible
>> >are just "black magic".
>>
>> I have to say this, linda. You are an awfully confused person, and now you've
>> gone over the deep end.

>Cut the crap; every time I say I believe a miracle portrayed in the
>Bible, you say I believe in "black magic". Yes, Duke, I believe in
>miracles, and they are not black magic.

I have NEVER called them black magic unless, of course, satan did them. God is
almighty, and what he does is not a miracle. A miracle is something seen in the
eyes of a beholder only. Jesus rising from the dead was no miracle.

[Linda Lee]

On May 29, 12:08 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> On May 30, 1:50 am, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I have found in the past that those who are the hardest of all to
> > > love, are usually the ones who need it most.
>
> >    The words of Christ are good words to apply to a persons life,
> >    but so to are the ten commandments, though the commandments
> >    themselves do not speak so clearly of Love as Christ has.
>
> >    If it is love you truly speak of, then dismissing Linda's questions
> >    in this way may avoid strife down the road, but it creates a strife
> >    to replace that which you chose to avoid.
>
> >    It would be best to answer the questions.
>
> Pro 26:20 Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there
> is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.

Agreed; so you should have some integrity and quit bearing tales and
creating strife.

[Rod]

On 5/29/2013 11:08 AM, Snow wrote:

> On May 30, 1:50 am, Rod<nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I have found in the past that those who are the hardest of all to
>>> love, are usually the ones who need it most.
>>
>> The words of Christ are good words to apply to a persons life,
>> but so to are the ten commandments, though the commandments
>> themselves do not speak so clearly of Love as Christ has.
>>
>> If it is love you truly speak of, then dismissing Linda's questions
>> in this way may avoid strife down the road, but it creates a strife
>> to replace that which you chose to avoid.
>>
>> It would be best to answer the questions.
>
> Pro 26:20 Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there
> is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.
>

You provided the incentive for strife when you refused
to answer her questions. The fact that she responded
to your post above is evidence...more fuel for the fire.


Do as you please...it's YOU that has to deal with the results.

[GSI]

On 2013-05-28 16:33:39 +0000, duke said:

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 03:56:27 -0700, GSI <g...@itchynet.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-05-27 03:22:33 +0000, Linda Lee said:
>>
>>>>> You know I love you Duke but first you gotta be worth following.
>>>>> Let's talk about being HUMBLE.
>>>>
>>>> You don't have to follow me, snow.  WE follow God.  Jesus gave us John 20:21-23
>>>> to be reconciled to God after we have mortally (death of the soul) sinned.
>>>>
>>>> John 20:21-23 (New International Version)
>>>>  21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am
>>>> sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy
>>>> Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not
>>>> forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
>>>>
>>>> God only breathed on mankind twice, one time is Genesis when he breathed
>>>> physical life into man, and in John 20, when he breathed spiritual life into
>>>> man.
>>>>
>>>> It's the only way back after blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which "will not
>>>> be forgiven in the next life."
>>>
>>> Duke, you're twisting the Scripture; it says blasphemy against the
>>> Holy Spirit will NOT ever be forgiven in THIS life nor in the next
>>> life:
>>>
>>> Matt. 12:32, "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it
>>> shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
>>> it shall not be forgiven him, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, neither in the
>>> world to come."
>>
>> The REAL problem is NO ONE KNOWS what "blasphemy against the
>> Holy Spirit" is.
>
> Might I suggest it's calling yourself his equal and acting on it..

Respect is hereby given by me to Duke for having the
cahonnes to respond to my question. The ONLY one,
I might add. The rest are cowards and weaklings.

Your suggestion is wrong, Duke. But you are not
a coward, so… a salute to you.
Everything is ONE. All created things are God transformed, so
you ARE His equal. There is NO difference between God and You.
Everything is ONE.
Everything in the universe is created, sustained, and destroyed by
the "Holy Spirit", the invisible LAWS, Forces, known in the Bible as
"God's Law". When Jesus said " but you can't deny the Holy Spirit",
he means that it doesn't matter what tou BELIEVE (You can deny)
but you CANNOT deny the Laws that create order in this universe.
Original Christianity was about becoming ONE with the Holy
Spirit, i.e. enlightenment. The communal life of the followers was
organized to lead people toward spiritual development. It included
fasting and a special diet.
To "deny the Holy Spirit" meant (practically speaking) to ignore the
Laws of the universe that pertain to an individuals health and
happiness. To lead a disorderly life and abuse your body with
bad food, excesses, alcohol, etc. This is what is meant by SIN to
original Christians. As they saw life, you either followed the path to
health, happiness, and enlightenment, or you sinned.

>
>> NO ONE KNOWS what "whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
>> it shall not be forgiven him, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, neither in the
>> world to come" means, or why "it shall not be forgiven".
>
> Well, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to come up with an idea. It's
> Eve's sin against God; it's rejecting the 10 commandments. It's denying Jesus
> as Son of God.

You can DENY the Father and the son, it doesn't matter. What you BELIEVE
is not important. The LAWS are what IS important. They are now mostly
forgotten. We no longer know how the live in harmony with the Holy Ghost.
So this world will probably end in destruction. People will become sicker
and sicker. Everybody will become sick. More and more people will go
crazy. There will be wars.

[Snow]

On May 30, 5:02 am, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > You seem to think I need to treat anybody any specific way
>
>     I believe you need to take some of your own advice above..
>     but to do that you must first perceive and understand,
>     and it is plain that you do not.
>
>      Good day Snow.

Pro 17:14 The beginning of strife is like releasing water; Therefore
stop fighting before it breaks out.

Good day to you.

[Snow]

On May 30, 9:08 am, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:

>     Do as you please...it's YOU that has to deal with the results.

Pro 17:19 He who loves transgression loves strife, He who exalts his
door seeks destruction.
Pro 26:21 As charcoal is to burning coals, and wood to fire, So is a
contentious man to kindle strife.

It's good to see YOU figured that out Rod.

[Linda Lee]

On May 29, 5:40 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 May 2013 18:08:17 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>

> wrote:
>
> >On May 28, 3:30 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 27 May 2013 13:13:00 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >The Scriptures say what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is; it is
> >> >attributing the miracles of the Messiah to the Devil, as the scribes
> >> >did when they claimed Messiah performed his miracles by "the prince of
> >> >the devils" and as Duke does when he claims the miracles in the bible
> >> >are just "black magic".
>
> >> I have to say this, linda.  You are an awfully confused person, and now you've
> >> gone over the deep end.
> >Cut the crap; every time I say I believe a miracle portrayed in the
> >Bible, you say I believe in "black magic". Yes, Duke, I believe in
> >miracles, and they are not black magic.
>
> I have NEVER called them black magic unless, of course, satan did them.

You claimed my belief God wrote the 10 commandments Himself as the
Scriptures say He did was a belief in black magic in these posts at

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.pentecostal/msg/a559eb3fa9f55e57

and

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.history/msg/0c2fd11c658253c4

Exo 24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount,
and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and
commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of
communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables
of stone, written with the finger of God.


You also claimed my acceptance that God spoke to Moses from the
burning bush was a belief in black magic.

[Linda Lee]

It's more than calling yourself God's equal; it's attributing the
workings of God to the Devil. And I've never claimed to have
"cahonnes", but I posted about what the Scriptures say blasphemy
against the Holy Spirit is; I didn't post it to you because you don't
believe God exists as an intelligent Being, so there is no point.

[Linda Lee]

On May 29, 7:08 pm, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/29/2013 11:08 AM, Snow wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 30, 1:50 am, Rod<nhraf...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> I have found in the past that those who are the hardest of all to
> >>> love, are usually the ones who need it most.
>
> >>     The words of Christ are good words to apply to a persons life,
> >>     but so to are the ten commandments, though the commandments
> >>     themselves do not speak so clearly of Love as Christ has.
>
> >>     If it is love you truly speak of, then dismissing Linda's questions
> >>     in this way may avoid strife down the road, but it creates a strife
> >>     to replace that which you chose to avoid.
>
> >>     It would be best to answer the questions.
>
> > Pro 26:20 Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there
> > is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.
>
>     You provided the incentive for strife when you refused
>     to answer her questions.

Actually he created strife when he first lied that יהושע spells Yeshua
and altered the name of Yehoshua` to Yeshua in The Scriptures 1998's
version of Zec. 6:11-12. Apparently, he can't help himself and
doesn't care that he looks like a liar and/or a fool to others. Not
everyone has access to The Scriptures 1998 version like I do, but
everyone posting here has access to an online Strong's Hebrew lexicon
and can look up how the names translated Jeshua (Yeshua - Heb.
3442/3443 - ישׁוּע ) and Jehoshua/Joshua (Yehoshua` - Heb. 3091 -
יהושׁוּע ) in the KJV Bible are spelled in the Hebrew consonant
letters.

It's good to see some don't suffer a deliberate liar lightly.

People that lie relentlessly verbally; their words are gone as soon as
they've spoken them and can't be proven, but when they do it in
writing, it takes even more gall.

[Rod]

whatever..

[Snow]

You alone can control where your focus and energy go. Nobody can do
it for you unless you grant them permission. Determine for yourself
to be a loving and kind individual.

[duke]

On Wed, 29 May 2013 17:13:07 -0700, GSI <g...@itchynet.com> wrote:

>>>> Duke, you're twisting the Scripture; it says blasphemy against the
>>>> Holy Spirit will NOT ever be forgiven in THIS life nor in the next
>>>> life:

>>> The REAL problem is NO ONE KNOWS what "blasphemy against the
>>> Holy Spirit" is.

>> Might I suggest it's calling yourself his equal and acting on it..

>Respect is hereby given by me to Duke for having the
>cahonnes to respond to my question. The ONLY one,
>I might add. The rest are cowards and weaklings.

>Your suggestion is wrong, Duke. But you are not
>a coward, so… a salute to you.

It's not a suggestion. God speaks, and man has the option to say "yes or no" to
what God said. Saying "no" to God is the same as telling him you are his equal
and can/will decide for yourself re what he teaches us.

>To "deny the Holy Spirit" meant (practically speaking) to ignore the
>Laws of the universe that pertain to an individuals health and
>happiness.

Can't do that. We all die and gravity always pulls us down.

>>> NO ONE KNOWS what "whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
>>> it shall not be forgiven him, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, neither in the
>>> world to come" means, or why "it shall not be forgiven".

>> Well, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to come up with an idea. It's
>> Eve's sin against God; it's rejecting the 10 commandments. It's denying Jesus
>> as Son of God.

>You can DENY the Father and the son, it doesn't matter. What you BELIEVE
>is not important. The LAWS are what IS important.

All that makes no sense at all. God's laws are the 10 commandments.

[Rod]

On 5/29/2013 4:22 PM, duke wrote:
> On Wed, 29 May 2013 10:50:06 -0500, Rod<nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/28/2013 9:31 PM, Snow wrote:
>>> On May 29, 10:59 am, Linda Lee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

>>>>> Zec 6:11 “And you shall take the silver and gold, make a crown, and

>>>>> set it on the head of Yeshua the son of Yehotsadaq, the high priest,

>>>>> Zec 6:12 and shall speak to him, saying, ‘Thus said ???? [YAHWEH] of
>>>>> hosts, saying, “See, the Man whose name is the Branch1! And from His

>>>>> place He shall branch out, and He shall build the temple of [YAHWEH]
>>>>> ????. Footnote 1See 3:8.
>>>>
>>>> Why are you twisting even The Scriptures 1998; that is obviously what
>>>> you're quoting as you've included the Footnote, but you have changed
>>>> the name from Yehoshua to Yeshua. What is your reasoning behind that -
>>>> other than you don't care if what you're 'teaching' is false.
>>>
>>> I have found in the past that those who are the hardest of all to
>>> love, are usually the ones who need it most.
>>
>> The words of Christ are good words to apply to a persons life,
>> but so to are the ten commandments, though the commandments
>> themselves do not speak so clearly of Love as Christ has.
>>
>> If it is love you truly speak of, then dismissing Linda's questions
>> in this way may avoid strife down the road, but it creates a strife
>> to replace that which you chose to avoid.
>
> Linda won't consider any other option, Rod.

And I can see why she wouldn't in his case, he misconstrued nearly
every word I said to him and has done likewise to her.

It's pointless to speak with him further so I won't until I see a
positive change.

[Snow]

On May 31, 1:56 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> >You can DENY the Father and the son, it doesn't matter. What you BELIEVE
> >is not important. The LAWS are what IS important.
>
> All that makes no sense at all.  God's laws are the 10 commandments.

Deu 4:13 “And He made known to you His covenant which He commanded you
to do, the Ten Words, and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Finally, somebody that gets it. That which is from the beginning when
one the seventh day he rested and he blessed it. Compassion has
always been the Torah.

[duke]

On Thu, 30 May 2013 03:52:30 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
wrote:

>On May 29, 5:40 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 May 2013 18:08:17 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On May 28, 3:30 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 27 May 2013 13:13:00 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >The Scriptures say what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is; it is
>> >> >attributing the miracles of the Messiah to the Devil, as the scribes
>> >> >did when they claimed Messiah performed his miracles by "the prince of
>> >> >the devils" and as Duke does when he claims the miracles in the bible
>> >> >are just "black magic".
>>
>> >> I have to say this, linda.  You are an awfully confused person, and now you've
>> >> gone over the deep end.
>> >Cut the crap; every time I say I believe a miracle portrayed in the
>> >Bible, you say I believe in "black magic". Yes, Duke, I believe in
>> >miracles, and they are not black magic.
>>
>> I have NEVER called them black magic unless, of course, satan did them.

>You claimed my belief God wrote the 10 commandments Himself as the
>Scriptures say He did was a belief in black magic in these posts at

>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.pentecostal/msg/a559eb3fa9f55e57
>and
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.history/msg/0c2fd11c658253c4

Looked, saw nothing. Maybe you can cut and paste the pertinent post.

I sad that God, being almighty, does not do magic. And God does not do miracles
in that he is almighty, but that which man sees would be identified by man as a
miracle.

>Exo 24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount,
>and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and
>commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
>Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of
>communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables
>of stone, written with the finger of God.
>You also claimed my acceptance that God spoke to Moses from the
>burning bush was a belief in black magic.

No, I didn't. I think you're nuts.

[duke]

On Thu, 30 May 2013 11:01:51 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/29/2013 4:22 PM, duke wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 May 2013 10:50:06 -0500, Rod<nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/28/2013 9:31 PM, Snow wrote:
>>>> On May 29, 10:59 am, Linda Lee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

>>>>>> Zec 6:11 鄭nd you shall take the silver and gold, make a crown, and

>>>>>> set it on the head of Yeshua the son of Yehotsadaq, the high priest,

>>>>>> Zec 6:12 and shall speak to him, saying, 禅hus said ???? [YAHWEH] of
>>>>>> hosts, saying, 鉄ee, the Man whose name is the Branch1! And from His

>>>>>> place He shall branch out, and He shall build the temple of [YAHWEH]
>>>>>> ????. Footnote 1See 3:8.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you twisting even The Scriptures 1998; that is obviously what
>>>>> you're quoting as you've included the Footnote, but you have changed

2>>>>> the name from Yehoshua to Yeshua. What is your reasoning behind that -

>>>>> other than you don't care if what you're 'teaching' is false.
>>>>
>>>> I have found in the past that those who are the hardest of all to
>>>> love, are usually the ones who need it most.
>>>
>>> The words of Christ are good words to apply to a persons life,
>>> but so to are the ten commandments, though the commandments
>>> themselves do not speak so clearly of Love as Christ has.
>>>
>>> If it is love you truly speak of, then dismissing Linda's questions
>>> in this way may avoid strife down the road, but it creates a strife
>>> to replace that which you chose to avoid.
>>
>> Linda won't consider any other option, Rod.

> And I can see why she wouldn't in his case, he misconstrued nearly
> every word I said to him and has done likewise to her.

> It's pointless to speak with him further so I won't until I see a
> positive change.

Duhh, I think I'm lost.

[duke]

Catholics always got it.

[Snow]

On May 31, 2:21 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 30 May 2013 09:03:17 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >On May 31, 1:56 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> >You can DENY the Father and the son, it doesn't matter. What you BELIEVE
> >> >is not important. The LAWS are what IS important.
>
> >> All that makes no sense at all.  God's laws are the 10 commandments.
>
> >Deu 4:13 “And He made known to you His covenant which He commanded you
> >to do, the Ten Words, and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
>
> >Finally, somebody that gets it.  That which is from the beginning when
> >one the seventh day he rested and he blessed it.  Compassion has
> >always been the Torah.
>
> Catholics always got it.

Lot of different denominations.. I think its an individual trait to be
taught... can't just generalize or stereotype.. thats what gets us in
trouble in the first place.. ."God knows no borders, why do we?"

[duke]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 19:32:30 -0500, Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:

>On 5/28/2013 2:30 PM, duke wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 13:13:00 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>

>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Scriptures say what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is; it is
>>> attributing the miracles of the Messiah to the Devil, as the scribes
>>> did when they claimed Messiah performed his miracles by "the prince of
>>> the devils" and as Duke does when he claims the miracles in the bible
>>> are just "black magic".
>>
>> I have to say this, linda. You are an awfully confused person, and now you've
>> gone over the deep end.
>>

>> Jesus the man could not perform miracles. God did it. But they are not
>> miracles to God for he is almighty. Man, in his fully inadequate self, might
>> see black magic.

> No such thing as "black magic", there is only the power of what
>people call God and it's use or misuse.

What I said was that "man" might visualize something a black magic in one case,
or a miracle in another case.

[Rod]

On 5/30/2013 11:19 AM, duke wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2013 11:01:51 -0500, Rod<nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/29/2013 4:22 PM, duke wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 May 2013 10:50:06 -0500, Rod<nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/28/2013 9:31 PM, Snow wrote:
>>>>> On May 29, 10:59 am, Linda Lee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> Zec 6:11 “And you shall take the silver and gold, make a crown, and

>>>>>>> set it on the head of Yeshua the son of Yehotsadaq, the high priest,

>>>>>>> Zec 6:12 and shall speak to him, saying, ‘Thus said ???? [YAHWEH] of
>>>>>>> hosts, saying, “See, the Man whose name is the Branch1! And from His

>>>>>>> place He shall branch out, and He shall build the temple of [YAHWEH]
>>>>>>> ????. Footnote 1See 3:8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are you twisting even The Scriptures 1998; that is obviously what
>>>>>> you're quoting as you've included the Footnote, but you have changed
> 2>>>>> the name from Yehoshua to Yeshua. What is your reasoning behind that -
>>>>>> other than you don't care if what you're 'teaching' is false.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have found in the past that those who are the hardest of all to
>>>>> love, are usually the ones who need it most.
>>>>
>>>> The words of Christ are good words to apply to a persons life,
>>>> but so to are the ten commandments, though the commandments
>>>> themselves do not speak so clearly of Love as Christ has.
>>>>
>>>> If it is love you truly speak of, then dismissing Linda's questions
>>>> in this way may avoid strife down the road, but it creates a strife
>>>> to replace that which you chose to avoid.
>>>
>>> Linda won't consider any other option, Rod.
>
>> And I can see why she wouldn't in his case, he misconstrued nearly
>> every word I said to him and has done likewise to her.
>
>> It's pointless to speak with him further so I won't until I see a
>> positive change.
>
> Duhh, I think I'm lost.

Why ?

[duke]

Protest_ants, having been led away by luther, are following a separate path.
They're strictly into "professing Jesus as Lord for salvation", a very dangerous
proposition. With that thought in mind, they then think it means that the 10
commandments are set aside. They go on to fully ignore the teachings of Christ
in the NT, a REALLY dangerous proposition.

As a Catholic, I've never been advised that the 10 commandments are gone. What
I've learned from the NT is that Jesus Christ gave us a new way in following the
10 commandments in a) love and obedience to God and b) love and service of our
neighbor in need. Follow these two and you will by definition be following the
10 commandments.

[duke]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 18:02:26 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
wrote:

>On May 28, 12:30 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 20:22:33 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>
>> wrote:

>> >On May 26, 6:06 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 26 May 2013 10:48:19 -0700 (PDT), Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>> >> >On May 27, 2:16 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 26 May 2013 02:44:01 +1000, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Sat, 25 May 2013 11:13:01 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>On Sat, 25 May 2013 23:44:50 +1000, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>What we need is a good God that does good things.
>>
>> >> >> >>You've got the right one now.
>>
>> >> >> >How do we make use of this good God?
>> >> >> >Is it coin operated?
>>
>> >> >> Get down on your knees and beg for forgiveness and absolution form God as the
>> >> >> right first step..

>>
>> >> >> The dukester, American - American
>>

>> >> >You know I love you Duke but first you gotta be worth following.
>> >> >Let's talk about being HUMBLE.
>>
>> >> You don't have to follow me, snow.  WE follow God.  Jesus gave us John 20:21-23
>> >> to be reconciled to God after we have mortally (death of the soul) sinned.
>>
>> >> John 20:21-23 (New International Version)
>> >>  21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am
>> >> sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy
>> >> Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not
>> >> forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
>>
>> >> God only breathed on mankind twice, one time is Genesis when he breathed
>> >> physical life into man, and in John 20, when he breathed spiritual life into
>> >> man.
>>
>> >> It's the only way back after blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which "will not
>> >> be forgiven in the next life."

>> >Duke, you're twisting the Scripture; it says blasphemy against the
>> >Holy Spirit will NOT ever be forgiven in THIS life nor in the next
>> >life:
>>

>> If Jesus had not given us the sacrament of Reconcliation to God, I could agree
>> with your "obvious line of discussion."  Sins against man can be forgiven in the
>> next life.  Sins against God take the confessional.

>>
>> >Matt. 12:32, "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it

>> >shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,

>> >it shall not be forgiven him, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, neither in the

>> >world to come."
>>
>> Right.  God forgives, but when you sin against him, it's the confessional.
>>
>
>Why do you say "Right" when what you said is not what Matt. 12:32
>says?

I not only know what Mat 12:32 says, but I also know what John 20:21-23 says.
Both are valid statements form Jesus.

That leaves you in a condition of determining which one is right, or both or
neither. Jesus gave us both, both are necessary.

Now, if you look at Mat 12:23, the implication of "confession not needed" to be
saved. It's suggests it is automatic with God. But Jesus said no, confession
is first needed to achieve the kingdom of God, but not for sins against man
which will be forgiven in the next life.

[Snow]

On May 31, 2:01 am, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:

>      It's pointless to speak with him further so I won't until I see a
>      positive change.

What's funny is that nobody invited you to the conversation except
yourself so you have nobody to blame and no reason to lay conditions
or have expectations.

Don't you see the irony of inviting yourself to come speak and then
expect others to satisfy you?

I'm sorry I don't jump to your beat Rodney... get over it. Why do you
assume I have to speak to people I can get no benefit from? If you
are so high and mighty, why don't you go put your money where your big
fat mouth is and you go talk to the people you expect me to speak with
and you tell her your plan for salvation or whatever it is you think I
need to explain.. apparently you know everything better anyways. You
talk to her.

Put your money where your mouth is... put up or shut up.

[GSI]

On 2013-05-30 15:56:43 +0000, duke said:

> On Wed, 29 May 2013 17:13:07 -0700, GSI <g...@itchynet.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Duke, you're twisting the Scripture; it says blasphemy against the
>>>>> Holy Spirit will NOT ever be forgiven in THIS life nor in the next
>>>>> life:
>
>>>> The REAL problem is NO ONE KNOWS what "blasphemy against the
>>>> Holy Spirit" is.
>
>>> Might I suggest it's calling yourself his equal and acting on it..
>
>> Respect is hereby given by me to Duke for having the
>> cahonnes to respond to my question. The ONLY one,
>> I might add. The rest are cowards and weaklings.
>
>> Your suggestion is wrong, Duke. But you are not
>> a coward, so
>> a salute to you.
>
> It's not a suggestion. God speaks, and man has the option to say "yes
> or no" to
> what God said. Saying "no" to God is the same as telling him you are
> his equal
> and can/will decide for yourself re what he teaches us.

God is not a person. You can't LITERALLY say no to God.
God and the Laws of the universe are One and the same.
Violating the Laws, i.e. "sinning", is what is meant by saying
no to God.

>> To "deny the Holy Spirit" meant (practically speaking) to ignore the
>> Laws of the universe that pertain to an individuals health and
>> happiness.
>
> Can't do that. We all die and gravity always pulls us down.

You are always "God", whether you are alive or not.
You can also live a blessed life, or live in misery.
You can have a beautiful life, or spend your whole
percious life in hospitals. You can become a saint,
or a despised outcast. You can become wise, or
stay foolish.

>>>> NO ONE KNOWS what "whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
>>>> it shall not be forgiven him, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, neither in the
>>>> world to come" means, or why "it shall not be forgiven".
>
>>> Well, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to come up with an idea. It's
>>> Eve's sin against God; it's rejecting the 10 commandments. It's denying Jesus
>>> as Son of God.
>
>> You can DENY the Father and the son, it doesn't matter. What you BELIEVE
>> is not important. The LAWS are what IS important.
>
> All that makes no sense at all. God's laws are the 10 commandments.

God's laws are NOT the 10 commandments. That is one
of the biggest misunderstandings in Christianity.
The 10 commandments are MORAL CODE, they are not
real wisdom. God cannot speak, God is not a person.
There are NO stone tablets, and never were.
The 10 commandments are man-made moral code.
It's time for Christianity to stop "believing" in nonsense.