The 'church' that calls itself the Church

[Michael Christ]

Eph_6:12 (KJV) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness of this world, against SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES.

Mat_7:17 (KJV) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;
but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat_7:18 (KJV) A good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit, neither
can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

And what will happen to this spiritually wicked apostate man-made
religious junket that bathes itself in the blood of the saints and
takes the poor and uses their bones for toothpicks; what will happen
to this entity that calls itself the 'just judge', the 'church'?

Mat_7:19 (KJV) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn
down, and cast into the fire.

Amen!



Michael Christ

[jwshe...@satx.rr.com]

1. It is within the power of all, therefore, in every Church, who
may
wish to see the truth, to contemplate clearly the tradition of the
apostles manifested throughout the whole world; and we are in a
position to reckon up those who were by the apostles instituted
bishops
in the Churches, and [to demonstrate] the succession of these men to
our own times; those who neither taught nor knew of anything like
what
these [heretics] rave about. For if the apostles had known hidden
mysteries, which they were in the habit of imparting to "the perfect"
apart and privily from the rest, they would have delivered them
especially to those to whom they were also committing the Churches
themselves. For they were desirous that these men should be very
perfect and blameless in all things, whom also they were leaving
behind
as their successors, delivering up their own place of government to
these men; which men, if they discharged their functions honestly,
would be a great boon [to the Church], but if they should fall away,
the direst calamity.
2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as
this,
to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to
confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil
self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion,
assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say, ] by
indicating
that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very
ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome
by
the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing
out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means
of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity
that
every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre-
eminent authority,6 that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the
apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those
[faithful men] who exist everywhere.
3. The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the
Church,
committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of
this
Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him
succeeded
Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles,
Clement
was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed
apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have
the
preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their
traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there
were
many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles.
In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred
among
the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome despatched a most
powerful
letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their
faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from
the apostles, proclaiming the one God, omnipotent, the Maker of
heaven
and earth, the Creator of man, who brought on the deluge, and called
Abraham, who led the people from the land of Egypt, spake with Moses,
set forth the law, sent the prophets, and who has prepared fire for
the
devil and his angels. From this document, whosoever chooses to do so,
may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, was preached
by
the Churches, and may also understand the apostolical tradition of
the
Church, since this Epistle is of older date than these men who are
now
propagating falsehood, and who conjure into existence another god
beyond the Creator and the Maker of all existing things. To this
Clement there succeeded Evaristus. Alexander followed Evaristus;
then,
sixth from the apostles, Sixtus was appointed; after him, Telephorus,
who was gloriously martyred; then Hyginus; after him, Pius; then
after
him, Anicetus. Sorer having succeeded Anicetus, Eleutherius does now,
in the twelfth place from the apostles, hold the inheritance of the
episcopate. In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical
tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have
come
down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the
same vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the Church from the
apostles until now, and handed down in truth.
4. But Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and
conversed
with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia,
appointed bishop of the Church in Smyrna, whom I also saw in my early
youth, for he tarried [on earth] a very long time, and, when a very
old
man, gloriously and most nobly suffering martyrdom,7 departed this
life, having always taught the things which he had learned from the
apostles, and which the Church has handed down, and which alone are
true. To these things all the Asiatic Churches testify, as do also
those men who have succeeded Polycarp down to the present time,-a man
who was of much greater weight, and a more stedfast witness of truth,
than Valentinus, and Marcion, and the rest of the heretics. He it was
who, coming to Rome in the time of Anicetus caused many to turn away
from the aforesaid heretics to the Church of God, proclaiming that he
had received this one and sole truth from the apostles,-that, namely,
which is handed down by the Church.8 "


Irenaeus Book III, Chapter III

[Michael Christ]

On Nov 23, 9:21 am, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com"

<jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>  1. It is within the power of all, therefore, in every Church, who
> may

> wish to see the truth,...

That says it all in the man-made world church....'may'.

You can dwell in it on a 'may'.



Michael Christ

[jwshe...@satx.rr.com]

St. Irenaeus of Lyons (d. 202 AD)


Born: c. 115 AD, Smyrna
Died: 202 AD, Lyons, Gaul (France)
Feast day: June 28

St. Irenaeus was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, which is now Lyons,
France. He was a disciple of Polycarp, who himself was a disciple of
John the Evangelist.

He is recognized as a saint by both the Eastern Orthodox Church and
the Catholic Church, and his writings were formative in the early
development of Christian theology. His most famous work is Against
Heresies, a lengthy description and refutation of Gnosticism.

Biography of Irenaeus
Irenaeus, bishop of Lyons, is the most important witness to
ecclesiastical tradition before Eusebius. He came originally from Asia
Minor, which was connected in many ways with the Church of Gaul, and
died after 190.

We know little about his life until 177, when the imprisoned
Christians of Lyons chose him as the bearer of a letter to Eleutherus
of Rome concerning the Montanist controversy. If the fact that the
confessors call him not only their brother, but their "companion," is
partly a reminiscense of Rev. 1:9, it still seems probable that he did
not wholly escape the persecution; and it may have been a design to
save his valuable life that inspired the choice of him to go to Rome.

Irenaeus had probably then been a presbyter of the church at Lyons for
several years, since immediately after his return he was chosen
bishop, to succeed Pothinus, who had perished in the persecution. In
this capacity he wrote his principal work, Against Heresies, about
185, and sent a letter about 190 to Victor of Rome, who had broken off
communion with the churches of Asia Minor over the Quartodeciman
controversy, as well as to other bishops.

There is no further definite knowledge of his later years. Jerome is
the first to mention him as a martyr, and then only incidentally, and
not improbably on the basis of the expression quoted above from the
letter of the confessors. Hippolytus, Tertullian, Eusebius, and other
writers who would have been likely to mention the fact of his
martyrdom, say nothing about it.

There has been a prolonged controversy, which is still unsettled, as
to the date of his birth and the length of Irenaeus' life. The
principal data may be briefly summarized as follows: If Irenaeus
became bishop in 177, he must have been at least forty, and was
therefore probably born before 137 rather than after. His implication
(5.30.3) that the Apocalypse was written "almost in his own lifetime"
is, all things considered, irreconcilable with the theory that he was
born 40 or 50 years after the probable date of its composition (before
the death of Domitian in 96).

In his letter to Florinus (Eusebius, Hist. eccl., 5.20.5), Irenaeus
speaks of having seen Polycarp at Smyrna in the emperor's train when
he himself was still but a boy. The date of the death of Polycarp is
now practically settled for 155. For various reasons, this emperor
must have been Hadrian, who visited Asia Minor in 123 and 129, in the
latter of which years the meeting must have taken place. All that
Irenaeus tells of his recollections of Polycarp at this period shows
that he must have been at least 12 or 15, and thus was probably born
about 115. He implies distinctly that his intercourse with and
instruction by Polycarp lasted for a number of years, very likely from
about 129 to 150; and the same conclusion follows from what he tells
of the teaching received in Asia Minor from certain disciples of the
apostles.

There are two further passages (4.27.1-32 and 5.33.3-4) which can be
understood only as asserting that he had this oral instruction from
more than one of such disciples and when he was of an age to take it
in and be deeply impressed by it. Neither he nor any tradition
mentions the reaching of an unusually great age by any member of this
group except Polycarp; if the others died considerably earlier, say
before 145, he must before that date have been of an age to profit by
their teaching.

Finally, in an appendix to the Martyrium Polycarpi (found in a
manuscript at Moscow), which is almost certainly written by the
Pionius who was the author of a Vita Polycarpi before 400, the
statement is found, based upon Irenaeus's own works, that he was
teaching in Rome at the time of the death of Polycarp, and that a
voice like a trumpet told him, at the very hour, of the death of his
master in Smyrna. Whatever may be thought of this last assertion,
there is no reason to doubt the general statement; and the account
which he himself gives of Polycarp's visit to Rome in 154 evidently
comes from one who was there himself at the time. The chronological
results indicated above may thus be taken as fairly established.

As mentioned above, Irenaeus is remembered as a martyr although there
is no evidence for how he died. He was buried under the church of
Saint John's in Lyons, which was later renamed St. Irenaeus. His tomb
and his remains were destroyed in 1562 by the Calvinist Huguenots. The
remains of Leonardo da Vinci and Kepler, among others, also were lost
in the religious wars of those times.

http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/people/irenaeus.htm

[Michael Christ]

On Nov 24, 2:48 pm, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com"

<jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
> St. Irenaeus of Lyons (d. 202 AD)
>
> Born: c. 115 AD, Smyrna
> Died: 202 AD, Lyons, Gaul (France)
> Feast day: June 28

I don't know him, and neither do you.

It doesn't change this fact you are trying to avoid in the snip...

<jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
> 1. It is within the power of all, therefore, in every Church, who
> may
> wish to see the truth,...

That says it all in the man-made world church....'may'.

You can dwell in it on a 'may'.

But if you are really in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, there is
no 'may' about it.

When are you people ever going to face the obvious truth?




Michael Christ

[duke]

On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:14:49 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Eph_6:12 (KJV) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
>against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
>darkness of this world, against SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES.
>
>Mat_7:17 (KJV) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;
>but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
>Mat_7:18 (KJV) A good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit, neither
>can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Jesus founded the Catholic Church - wonderful fruit.


The dukester, American - American
********************************************
You can't fix stupid.
********************************************

[Michael Christ]

On Nov 25, 12:52 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:14:49 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
>

> <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Eph_6:12  (KJV)  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
> >against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
> >darkness of this world, against SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES.
>
> >Mat_7:17  (KJV)  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;
> >but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
> >Mat_7:18  (KJV)  A good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit, neither
> >can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Dukester wrote:
> Jesus founded the Catholic Church - wonderful fruit.

You have been told.

Yeah, the wonderful fruit of Catholic priests sticking their penises
in children anuses et al.

Mat_7:18 (KJV) A good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit

Just in USA (tip of the iceburg)...

Catholic sex abuse cases
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Catholic sex abuse cases are a series of convictions, trials and
investigations into allegations of child sexual abuse crimes committed
by Catholic priests and members of Roman Catholic orders against
children as young as 3 years old with the majority between the ages of
11 and 14.[1][2][3] These cases included anal sex, and oral
penetration, and there have been criminal prosecutions of the abusers
and civil lawsuits against the church's dioceses and parishes. Many of
the cases span several decades and are brought forward years after the
abuse occurred. Cases have also been brought against members of the
Catholic hierarchy who did not report sex abuse allegations to the
legal authorities. It has been shown they deliberately moved sexually
abusive priests to other parishes where the abuse sometimes continued.
[4] This has led to a number of fraud cases where the Church has been
accused of misleading victims by deliberately relocating priests
accused of abuse instead of removing them from their positions.[5]

In the 1950s, Gerald Fitzgerald, the founder of a religious order that
treats Roman Catholic priests who molest children, concluded "(such)
offenders were unlikely to change and should not be returned to
ministry," and this was discussed with Pope Paul VI (1897 – 1978) and
"in correspondence with several bishops."[6] In 2001, sex abuse cases
were first required to be reported to Rome.[7] The Dallas Morning News
did a year-long investigation, after the 2002 revelation that cases of
abuse were widespread in the Church.[1] The results made public in
2004 showed that even after the public outcry, priests were moved out
of the countries where they had been accused and were still in
"settings that bring them into contact with children, despite church
claims to the contrary."[1] Among the investigation's findings is that
nearly half of 200 cases "involved clergy who tried to elude law
enforcement."[1] In July 2010, the Vatican doubled the length of time
after the 18th birthday of the victim that clergymen can be tried in a
church court and streamlined the processes for removing "pedophile
priests."[8][9][10]

The cases received significant media and public attention in Canada,
Ireland, and the United States, and throughout the world.[7] In
response to the attention, members of the church hierarchy have argued
that media coverage has been excessive and disproportionate.[11]
According to a Pew Research Center study, media coverage mostly
emanated from the United States in 2002, when a Boston Globe series
began a critical mass of news reports; by contrast, in 2010 much of
the reporting focused on child abuse in Europe.[12][13] From 2001-2010
the Holy See, the central governing body of the Catholic Church, has
"considered sex abuse allegations concerning about 3,000 priests
dating back up to 50 years" according to the Vatican's Promoter of
Justice.[14] Cases worldwide reflect patterns of long-term abuse and
covering up reports.[note 1] Church officials and academics
knowledgeable about the Third World Roman Catholic Church, say that
sexual abuse by clergy is generally not discussed, and thus is
difficult to measure.[15][7] In the Philippines where as of 2002 at
least 85% of the population is Catholic, the revelations of child
sexual abuse by priests followed the United States' reporting in 2002.
[16]

In the United States, which has been the lead focus of much of the
scandals and subsequent reforms,[17] BishopAccountability.org, an
"online archive established by lay Catholics," reports that over 3,000
civil lawsuits have been filed against the church,[18] some of these
cases have resulted in multi-million dollar settlements with many
claimants. In 1998 the Roman Catholic Diocese of Dallas paid $30.9
million to twelve victims of one priest ($44.1 million in present-day
terms).[19][20] From 2003 to 2009 nine other major settlements
involving over 375 cases with 1551 claimants/victims, resulted in
payments of over $1.1 billion USD.[note 2] The Associated Press
estimated the settlements of sex abuse cases from 1950 to 2007 totaled
more than $2 billion.[21] BishopAccountability puts the figure at more
than $3 billion in 2012.[6][18] Addressing "a flood of abuse claims"
five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon;
Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection.[21] Eight
Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from
2004-2011.[22]




Michael Christ

[duke]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:28:20 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Nov 25, 12:52 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:14:49 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
>>
>> <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Eph_6:12  (KJV)  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
>> >against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
>> >darkness of this world, against SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES.
>>
>> >Mat_7:17  (KJV)  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;
>> >but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
>> >Mat_7:18  (KJV)  A good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit, neither
>> >can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
>
>Dukester wrote:
>> Jesus founded the Catholic Church - wonderful fruit.
>You have been told.

Yes, I listed very well to what Jesus said.

>Yeah, the wonderful fruit of Catholic priests sticking their penises
>in children anuses et al.

Yes, all men just like you.

[Michael Christ]

On Nov 26, 3:11 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:28:20 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 25, 12:52 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:14:49 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
>
> >> <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Eph_6:12 (KJV) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
> >> >against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
> >> >darkness of this world, against SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES.
>
> >> >Mat_7:17 (KJV) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;
> >> >but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
> >> >Mat_7:18 (KJV) A good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit, neither
> >> >can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
>
> >Dukester wrote:
> >> Jesus founded the Catholic Church - wonderful fruit.
> >You have been told.
>
> Yes, I listed very well to what Jesus said.
>
> >Yeah, the wonderful fruit of Catholic priests sticking their penises
> >in children anuses et al.
>
> Yes, all men just like you.

Call me what you like in your sin, sinner.

The fact remains...

Mat_7:18 (KJV) A good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit, neither
can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

...the Lord is not a liar like you, Dukester. Your church is corrupt
like you.

Now off you go and keep your 10 commandments you say you have to
keep. They are right there listed on the wall next to the
confessional.

You have been told again and again and again.

It has been a relief to not be entangled in your religious subterfuge
of late, and I intend to keep it that way. You have had plenty of
opportunity.




Michael Christ

[duke]

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:40:28 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> >Yeah, the wonderful fruit of Catholic priests sticking their penises
>> >in children anuses et al.
>> Yes, all men just like you.
>Call me what you like in your sin, sinner.

I'm merely pointing out that a bad priest is acting just like you.

>The fact remains...
>Mat_7:18 (KJV) A good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit, neither
>can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Right, and the problem is with men, men like you and not priests in particular.

[Michael Christ]

Michael Christ wrote:
>Yeah, the wonderful fruit of Catholic priests sticking their penises
>in children anuses et al.

Duke wrote:
>Yes, all men just like you.

Michael Christ wrote:
>Call me what you like in your sin, sinner.

Duke wrote:
>I'm merely pointing out that a bad priest is acting just like you.

Call me what you like in your sin.................sinner.

YOUR MEASURE IN YOUR SIN AND IN YOUR SINFUL CHURCH IS NOT THE MEASURE
OF GOD.

THERE IS NO BAD............................PRIEST (A clergyman in the
real CHRISTIAN Church who has the authority to perform or administer
various religious rites; one of the Holy
Orders)......................................IN CHRIST JESUS.

You can waste your own time.

The Lord has heard the cries of all the children your church has
raped.

And He is coming for you.





Michael Christ

[Linda Lee]

Paul would have kicked those pedophile priests out of the church; the
RCC repeatedly forgives their sins, even though there is no real
repentance for these habitual sins that they've made into a lifestyle,
and sets them up in a new diocese where their habitual sins are
unknown ("promoting" them to hide the reason for their transfer),
where they can obtain new unsuspecting victims, and the cycle
continues.

'Say five Hail Mary's to show your repentance, and we'll promote you
and set you up in a new diocese, and of course we'll seal your
records...'.


1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a
bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife,
vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to
teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre;
but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in
subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall
he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into
the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are
without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
1Ti 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not
given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
1Ti 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
1Ti 3:10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the
office of a deacon, being found blameless.
1Ti 3:11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober,
faithful in all things.
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their
children and their own houses well.
1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase
to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is
in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 3:14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee
shortly:
1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest
to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the
living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.



Tit 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set
in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city,
as I had appointed thee:
Tit 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful
children not accused of riot or unruly.
Tit 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not
selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given
to filthy lucre;
Tit 1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just,
holy, temperate;
Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that
he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the
gainsayers.


I notice the pope is less prone to openly condemning individual
people, as they used to do, since the RCC's own sins have become
public knowledge. Looks like there's a little bit less hypocrisy
anyway.

[duke]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:24:17 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Michael Christ wrote:
>>Yeah, the wonderful fruit of Catholic priests sticking their penises
>>in children anuses et al.
>
>Duke wrote:
>>Yes, all men just like you.
>
>Michael Christ wrote:
>>Call me what you like in your sin, sinner.
>
>Duke wrote:
>>I'm merely pointing out that a bad priest is acting just like you.
>
>Call me what you like in your sin.................sinner.

We're all sinners and not exactly pleasing to God.

>YOUR MEASURE IN YOUR SIN AND IN YOUR SINFUL CHURCH IS NOT THE MEASURE
>OF GOD.

I know. You and I both have a problem.

>THERE IS NO BAD............................PRIEST (A clergyman in the
>real CHRISTIAN Church who has the authority to perform or administer
>various religious rites; one of the Holy
>Orders)......................................IN CHRIST JESUS.
>You can waste your own time.
>The Lord has heard the cries of all the children your church has
>raped.
>And He is coming for you.

He is coming for bad man. That means you and me.

[duke]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 04:50:39 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
wrote:

>Paul would have kicked those pedophile priests out of the church; the
>RCC repeatedly forgives their sins, even though there is no real
>repentance for these habitual sins that they've made into a lifestyle,

You are full of yourself, linda. The RCC doesn't forgive sins. God forgives
thru the priest. Please learn to speak correctly before you try again.

>I notice the pope is less prone to openly condemning individual
>people, as they used to do, since the RCC's own sins have become
>public knowledge. Looks like there's a little bit less hypocrisy
>anyway.

The average priest is well superior to you in following Jesus.

[Michael Christ]

The Catholic church is what it is; its a lie and a pretender to the
throne.

There are a plethora of reasons why.

Here is a typical easy to see example...

Duke wrote:
>The average priest is well superior to you in following Jesus.

This is a sinner's accommodating man-made christian thinking; the
mindset is earthly, fleshly, brute beast instinctual, and carnal
perception.

You either follow Him or you don't, it is not rated by what a sinner
thinks.




Michael Christ

[duke]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:08:22 -0800, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:11:58 -0600, duke wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 04:50:39 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Paul would have kicked those pedophile priests out of the church; the
>>>RCC repeatedly forgives their sins, even though there is no real
>>>repentance for these habitual sins that they've made into a lifestyle,
>>
>> You are full of yourself, linda. The RCC doesn't forgive sins. God forgives
>> thru the priest. Please learn to speak correctly before you try again.

>Ungodly priests worship gods, not The God.

And Jesus told his disciples that they were to go forward and cure the sick,
drive out demons, forgive sins, etc. They're not doing that in their name, but
in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

>>>I notice the pope is less prone to openly condemning individual
>>>people, as they used to do, since the RCC's own sins have become
>>>public knowledge. Looks like there's a little bit less hypocrisy
>>>anyway.
>>
>> The average priest is well superior to you in following Jesus.

>How do you know? Turn you blind eyes to them?

For starters, they are world's ahead of you in scripture knowledge, then they
get a superior education that you did.

[Rod]

So might be a monkey if well trained...

--
A wise son heareth his father's instruction:
but a scorner heareth not rebuke.

[duke]

But all a monkey can do is react as breed type. Only humans can make a
conscious and conscience decision to do so.

[Rod]

On 11/29/2012 7:07 AM, duke wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:44:31 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/27/2012 11:11 AM, duke wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 04:50:39 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul would have kicked those pedophile priests out of the church; the
>>>> RCC repeatedly forgives their sins, even though there is no real
>>>> repentance for these habitual sins that they've made into a lifestyle,
>>>
>>> You are full of yourself, linda. The RCC doesn't forgive sins. God forgives
>>> thru the priest. Please learn to speak correctly before you try again.
>>>
>>>> I notice the pope is less prone to openly condemning individual
>>>> people, as they used to do, since the RCC's own sins have become
>>>> public knowledge. Looks like there's a little bit less hypocrisy
>>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> The average priest is well superior to you in following Jesus.
>>>
>>> The dukester, American - American
>>> ********************************************
>>> You can't fix stupid.
>>> ********************************************
>
>> So might be a monkey if well trained...
>
> But all a monkey can do is react as breed type. Only humans can make a
> conscious and conscience decision to do so.

And should.

>
> The dukester, American - American
> ********************************************
> You can't fix stupid.
> ********************************************
>

[duke]

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:14:52 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/29/2012 7:07 AM, duke wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:44:31 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/27/2012 11:11 AM, duke wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 04:50:39 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Paul would have kicked those pedophile priests out of the church; the
>>>>> RCC repeatedly forgives their sins, even though there is no real
>>>>> repentance for these habitual sins that they've made into a lifestyle,
>>>>
>>>> You are full of yourself, linda. The RCC doesn't forgive sins. God forgives
>>>> thru the priest. Please learn to speak correctly before you try again.
>>>>
>>>>> I notice the pope is less prone to openly condemning individual
>>>>> people, as they used to do, since the RCC's own sins have become
>>>>> public knowledge. Looks like there's a little bit less hypocrisy
>>>>> anyway.
>>>>
>>>> The average priest is well superior to you in following Jesus.
>>>>
>>>> The dukester, American - American
>>>> ********************************************
>>>> You can't fix stupid.
>>>> ********************************************
>>
>>> So might be a monkey if well trained...
>>
>> But all a monkey can do is react as breed type. Only humans can make a
>> conscious and conscience decision to do so.
>
> And should.

Yep.

[duke]

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:00:50 -0800, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:24:33 -0600, duke wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:08:22 -0800, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:11:58 -0600, duke wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 04:50:39 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Paul would have kicked those pedophile priests out of the church; the
>>>>>RCC repeatedly forgives their sins, even though there is no real
>>>>>repentance for these habitual sins that they've made into a lifestyle,
>>>>
>>>> You are full of yourself, linda. The RCC doesn't forgive sins. God forgives
>>>> thru the priest. Please learn to speak correctly before you try again.
>>
>>>Ungodly priests worship gods, not The God.
>>
>> And Jesus told his disciples that they were to go forward and cure the sick,
>> drive out demons, forgive sins, etc. They're not doing that in their name, but
>> in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

>priests are not necessarily of God.

NO man was of God except Jesus. Heb 4:15. That means you, me, and every man
and woman in the world is a sinner in need of repentance and forgiveness for
sins committed while in the flesh.

1 John 1:8-10 (New International Version)
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in
us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our
sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned,
we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

>The bible says that only through the
>shedding of blood can a person be forgiven of sin against God.

Jesus took care of that when he died on the cross out of obedience of his Father
against sin.

>Have you gone around and followed up the people in your church whose sins
>were "forgiven" by a pedo priest?

All Catholics go to confession. Non-Catholics think it's not necessary. And
all priests and all mankind are sinners. No one knows if a particular priest is
guilty of pedophilia, but very few are. Yet God still calls for sinners to work
on sinners. In John 20:22-23, Jesus on the first Easter evening openly assigned
sinners the duty of sin forgiveness of others in the name of the Father, Son and
Holy Spirit.

> Or are you just letting them fall into
>the abyss as sinners? Have you ever cared about the lives of those
>followers? Has anyone in the RCC ever considered the effects of a sinful
>priest? Then Multiply that by the tens of ten thousands because of evil
>popes who blatantly exhibit their sins by whore mongering, drunkenness, and
>so on. Are you saying those people deserved to die as well?

Just like you and I.

>>>>>I notice the pope is less prone to openly condemning individual
>>>>>people, as they used to do, since the RCC's own sins have become
>>>>>public knowledge. Looks like there's a little bit less hypocrisy
>>>>>anyway.

>>>> The average priest is well superior to you in following Jesus.
>>>How do you know? Turn you blind eyes to them?

>> For starters, they are world's ahead of you in scripture knowledge, then they
>> get a superior education that you did.

>I doubt that very many get the education that I did. I know that I would
>not desire their education

8 Years in seminary. In the case of a college graduate, it's 4 years except for
Jesuits, which is then a total of 12 years. What did you get?

>, especially in the ways of RCC doctrines, the
>church history as they teach it. Some of their doctrines are unscriptural.

Doctrine is used to implement dogma, which comes from God and is beyond
question. Which doctrine of implementation do you have in mind?

[Ike]

On 11/22/2012 4:14 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> Eph_6:12 (KJV) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
> against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
> darkness of this world, against SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES.

You are "they."

> Mat_7:17 (KJV) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;
> but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
> Mat_7:18 (KJV) A good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit, neither
> can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

You are "they," evil tree.

> And what will happen to this spiritually wicked apostate man-made
> religious junket that bathes itself in the blood of the saints and
> takes the poor and uses their bones for toothpicks; what will happen
> to this entity that calls itself the 'just judge', the 'church'?

You are "they," fool.

> Mat_7:19 (KJV) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn
> down, and cast into the fire.

You are "they," evil tree.

> Amen!

You condemn yourself with your own affirmation.

Ike

[Michael Christ]

You can produce nothing but your own substance.




Michael Christ

[Rod]

On 11/25/2012 10:11 AM, duke wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:28:20 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
> <jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 25, 12:52 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:14:49 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
>>>
>>> <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Eph_6:12 (KJV) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
>>>> against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
>>>> darkness of this world, against SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES.
>>>
>>>> Mat_7:17 (KJV) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;
>>>> but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
>>>> Mat_7:18 (KJV) A good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit, neither
>>>> can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
>>
>> Dukester wrote:
>>> Jesus founded the Catholic Church - wonderful fruit.
>> You have been told.
>
> Yes, I listed very well to what Jesus said.
>
>> Yeah, the wonderful fruit of Catholic priests sticking their penises
>> in children anuses et al.
>
> Yes, all men just like you.
>
>

it's a sad statement of the man that can live in hate
of a thing and still claim to be sinless. even sadder
yet that the person can remember all the bad the church
has done but refuses to give it due credit for all the
good it has done in the world.

we would be worse off than ever without them. I have
a particular love of the sisters of st.joseph, wonderful
ladies.




--
Pro 13:7 There is that maketh himself rich,
yet hath nothing: there is that
maketh himself poor, yet hath great
riches.

[duke]

And he's totally clueless to all his massive sinning.

[vince garcia]

You and Rod have spoken well

[Michael Christ]

On 6 Dec, 10:36, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> duke wrote:
>

Hahahaha...

Now all you have to do is pray to Mary and go into foster caring, and
thou wilt have saved thyself, Vincent.





Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

...is nowhere even close to being the Church.




Michael Christ

[vince garcia]

Michael Christ wrote:
> The Great Itchy wrote:
> > You're an EGOIST and a lying closet homosexual who USES
> > "Christ" to cover up his filth.
>
> Produce something boy, after all its almost Christmas! :-).
>
> Something more than your homosexual urges...

You hypocrite--how dare you accuse Itchy of homosexual urges when YOU
are the one with a gay affair in his past!


On 1999/03/12
Michael Sheppard wrote of his meeting Michael Christ:
> He began by telling me that God had him get involved
> in a homosexual relationship with a younger man called Moses.
> By submitting to sex with this person he was laying down his life
> and giving God "his all". That`s a quote from him. After a couple of
> years they broke up. And he has been out of any fellowship since.
> He has no group or followers.
> ...My wife is also a witness and my business partner is also.
> I will give my phone number out to any who email me.

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 Michael Christ wrote:
> I did tell Sheppard of having a sexual encounter with a person in my
> twenties with a man in his twenties.

YOU'RE the one with homosexual urges, hypocrite

And let's see wht you posted on the subject not 26 years before you were
born again, as you try to hide behind...but only *13* years ago:


> PS But you know by what I have said in the past too Dolf, that if it
> is *God's will* in a man's heart for a man to lie with a man then let
> no man dispute it. It is the same Spirit of faith that asked Abraham
> to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all things are
> possible."


There it is--you try to hide your sin and get out from under it by
saying the gay affair happned decades before you were born again, but
here you are claiming only 13 years ago that God can send gay desires
into two men as a spirit of faith.

Hypocrite.


>Yes I am...holiness (without sin).
>As you know full well, yes, I AM SAYING THAT I DO NOT SIN.

[Linda Lee]

God does not tempt man to sin, and homosexuality is forbidden as a sin
in both the Old and New Testaments, so homosexual desires cannot be
"God's will".

Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is
tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath
promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for
God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own
lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and
sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

> > It is the same Spirit of faith that asked Abraham
> > to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all things are
> > possible."

For some reason, people seem to overlook that Abraham did NOT kill his
son Isaac, and in fact, Abraham was believing that God would NOT have
him do so (Gen. 22:8), but that God Himself would provide a sacrifice,
which He did. It was simply a test to see if Abram/Abraham (the first
Hebrew) actually worshipped God, as the pagan Gentiles worshipped
their false gods by killing their own children, but God did not tempt
Abraham to sin by actually allowing him to kill.

Gen 22:6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it
upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and
they went both of them together.
Gen 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My
father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire
and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb
for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Gen 22:9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and
Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound
Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
Gen 22:10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to
slay his son.
Gen 22:11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven,
and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do
thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing
thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Gen 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold
behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went
and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead
of his son.
Gen 22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as
it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
Gen 22:15 And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven
the second time,
Gen 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for
because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son,
thine only son:
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I
will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand
which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of
his enemies;
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be
blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

>
> There it is--you try to hide your sin and get out from under it by
> saying the gay affair happned decades before you were born again, but
> here you are claiming only 13 years ago that God can send gay desires
> into two men as a spirit of faith.
>
> Hypocrite.
>
>
> >Yes I am...holiness (without sin).
> >As you know full well, yes, I AM SAYING THAT I DO NOT SIN.

I am assuming you believe MC's sin can be forgiven if he repents, and
doesn't keep insisting it is God's will and that he is without sin
even when he sins?

[vince garcia]

You would think that obvious. And to a REAL Christian that IS obvious.
But to one so deceived that he boatss of how God has delivered him from
sin, we see the sort of spirit behind him:

'it can be God's will for two men to lie together, and let not anyone
judge them'

> Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is
> tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath
> promised to them that love him.
> Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for
> God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
> Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own
> lust, and enticed.
> Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and
> sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
>
> > > It is the same Spirit of faith that asked Abraham
> > > to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all things are
> > > possible."
>
> For some reason, people seem to overlook that Abraham did NOT kill his
> son Isaac, and in fact, Abraham was believing that God would NOT have
> him do so (Gen. 22:8), but that God Himself would provide a sacrifice,
> which He did. It was simply a test to see if Abram/Abraham (the first
> Hebrew) actually worshipped God, as the pagan Gentiles worshipped
> their false gods by killing their own children, but God did not tempt
> Abraham to sin by actually allowing him to kill.

Well, normal rules do not apply to MC because..."with God all things are
possible"


>

key word "if"

[duke]

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:36:52 -0800, vince garcia <vggar...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>You and Rod have spoken well

And mikey doesn't even see it coming.

[duke]

Your problem is that you still haven't figured out why God came to us thru a
woman. There's a special purpose hidden in there somewhere. I'm betting you
never find it.

[duke]

On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 07:39:17 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
wrote:

Wow, linda dreaming up more garbage. Scripture says Abraham believed God and it
is credited to him as righteousness.

> It was simply a test to see if Abram/Abraham (the first
>Hebrew) actually worshipped God

Haahaahaa. Are you suggesting God didn't know the answer? No, linda. Abraham
believed God. You see, it's called obedience to God, the #1 reason for
salvation from the get-go.

Remember, moses talked to a burning bush.

[Michael Christ]

...of trimming sentences and snipping people's words to suit the
accusations.

You snip and trim in your sin because you have to Vincent Garcia.

Please remember, the word of a man who betrays a trust cannot be true.




Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

Linda, God saw Isaac's ashes on the altar.

Not physically literally, but spiritually literally.

The things of God are spiritually discerned, and that is the problem
with man-made christianity, it can't see any further than the literal
nose on its face.




Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

Repentance is not unto the judgement of a sinner, by the way, Vinnie.

Anyway, I am without sin now and forever more because of what the Lord
Jesus Christ wrought in me; He did it because I surrendered my life to
Him.

Praise the Lord.

Now, as is your way, if you just snip and quote the "Anyway, I am
without sin now and forever more..." bit, Vincent, it should suit your
type of 'christian' purposes.

Nevertheless, there is nothing you can do about it, Jesus transformed
me. :-).

Bad luck, you are far too late.




Michael Christ

[Rod]

Is that why you think I do it ?? You arrogant, selfish pompous ass,
Faith without works of love is DEAD, like you. What do yo do with your
faith, Michael ? Run your mouth ???? That is ALL I've seen you do, run
that mouth, you sleazy ball.

[Rod]

Good. Now lets see your act of obedience. You can start by helping
feed and clothe the poor that God cares so much for. And then after
you're done with that the Church has a few things needing done.

Hop to it boy!!

[Michael Christ]

Rod deciding for God wrote:
>    Good. Now lets see your act of obedience. You can start by helping
> feed and clothe the poor that God cares so much for. And then after
> you're done with that the Church has a few things needing done.
>
>    Hop to it boy!!

God is able with one flick of His finger to feed and clothe the poor.

Did you realise that?

And He doesn't need a single human being to do it.

You are a deluded generation, such like the world has never known
before.



Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

Rod wrote:
>     Is that why you think I do it ?? You arrogant, selfish pompous ass,
> Faith without works of love is DEAD, like you.

It is faith without works is dead.

Human love factored in is selfish, pompous and arrogant...and sleazy
and running your mouth.




Michael Christ

[vince garcia]

Michael Christ wrote:

>
> You snip and trim in your sin because you have to Vincent Garcia.
>
> Please remember, the word of a man who betrays a trust cannot be true.
>
> Michael Christ

You posted this in 1999 at a time you claim to have been born again:

> PS But you know by what I have said in the past too Dolf, that if it
> is *God's will* in a man's heart for a man to lie with a man then let
> no man dispute it. It is the same Spirit of faith that asked Abraham
> to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all things are
> possible."

Simple question... Whom do you say this doctrinal teaching is of? God
or satan?

[duke]

On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 20:54:02 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>    Hop to it boy!!

>God is able with one flick of His finger to feed and clothe the poor.
>Did you realise that?
>And He doesn't need a single human being to do it.

And if you knew God, you're know that's exactly what he requires
of............YOU.

Chop, chop, boy.

>You are a deluded generation, such like the world has never known
>before.
>Michael Christ

[duke]

Yeah, I just got thru reading another post of his where he says that God doesn't
need us to help the needy - that God can do it all himself.

He's what happens when one is a lone ranger.

[vince garcia]

I saw that too:

MC: >>God is able with one flick of His finger to feed and clothe the

>>poor.
>>Did you realise that?

>?And He doesn't need a single human being to do it.



Is his point that he need not spend his meagre resources on the poor
because God can take care of them, and he doesn't want to interfere in
God's plan by possibly hellping someone God is trying to teach by
placing him in need?

[Terry Cross]

On Dec 7, 10:09 am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> duke wrote:
>

> > On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:17:35 -0600, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >On 12/6/2012 3:14 AM, Michael Christ wrote:
> > >> On 6 Dec, 10:36, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > >>> duke wrote:

> > >> Now all you have to do is pray to Mary and go into foster caring, and
> > >> thou wilt have saved thyself, Vincent.
>
> > >    Is that why you think I do it ?? You arrogant, selfish pompous ass,
> > >Faith without works of love is DEAD, like you. What do yo do with your
> > >faith, Michael ? Run your mouth ???? That is ALL I've seen you do, run
> > >that mouth, you sleazy ball.
>
> > Yeah, I just got thru reading another post of his where he says that God doesn't
> > need us to help the needy - that God can do it all himself.
>
> > He's what happens when one is a lone ranger.
>
> I saw that too:
>
> MC: >>God is able with one flick of His finger to feed and clothe the

> MC: >>poor.
> MC: >>Did you realize that?
> MC: >>And He doesn't need a single human being to do it.
>
> Is his point that he need not spend his meager resources on the poor

> because God can take care of them, and he doesn't want to interfere in
> God's plan by possibly hellping someone God is trying to teach by
> placing him in need?

In the last six months, Michael Christ seems to have become a lot
crustier and angrier.
"He [is] starving in some deep mystery, like a man who is sure what is
true." -- L. Cohen.

This is the final devolution of eschatology-driven virtue. He does
what he does to earn his place in heaven. But without charity to
guide, the sophistries are endless. He has preached that good works
are meaningless because only faith counts. But faith merits nothing
because a person gets faith as a gift from God. In the end, his only
goal in life is removed from any practical attempt for achievement.
He has left only the ghastly certainty that the God of the Old
Testament will choose some for endless bliss and others for eternal
torment. And he desperately hopes he is on the winning team.

TCross

[Michael Christ]

Michael Christ wrote:
> > You snip and trim in your sin because you have to Vincent Garcia.
>
> > Please remember, the word of a man who betrays a trust cannot be true.
>
> > Michael Christ

Vince Garcia wrote:
> You posted this in 1999 at a time you claim to have been born again:
>
> > PS  But you know by what I have said in the past too Dolf, that if it
> > is *God's will* in a man's heart for a man to lie with a man then let
> > no man dispute it.  It is the same Spirit of faith that asked Abraham
> > to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all things are
> > possible."
>
> Simple question... Whom do you say this doctrinal teaching is of?  God
> or satan?

You can't understand what I have said, neither understand the kind of
a man to whom I am speaking or the kind of situation he is in,
Vincent, you have just come blasting in in your characteristic
traditional 'kill all the proofters' self-righteous man-made christian
indignation.

Simple answer Vincent, DO NOT JUDGE, which is of GOD.

God is not conformed to your image! Did you think that your 'perfect
head' contains all there is to know??

As usual though, all you have done is take the 'PS' of what I have
said; a piece of it, thereby creating your own flavour/context/
atmosphere/the surrounding meaning as to what I have said. You do not
know your own heart. The fact that you take pieces of what I say (in
many things) to create an evil novel speaks volumes.

Do you think the Lord is NOT going to reward you for that??!!

Is it right for an atheist to take one piece of what the Bible says
and call God a murderer, for if you were to take it as such God is a
murderer??

Num 31:17    Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and
kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

Then why is it right for you to do the same thing with me??





Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

On Dec 8, 5:09 am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> duke wrote:
>

> > On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:17:35 -0600, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:

:-). I try to help you don't I?

It is amazing to watch how you people take a small thing (like noting
a fact) and make it into a great thing and take a great thing (like
condemning) and make it a small thing.

The point was that Rod is relying on his human righteousness.

And I don't see you or that Terry woman trying to help him.




Michael Christ

[vince garcia]

Michael Christ wrote:
>
> Michael Christ wrote:
> > > You snip and trim in your sin because you have to Vincent Garcia.
> >
> > > Please remember, the word of a man who betrays a trust cannot be true.
> >
> > > Michael Christ
>
> Vince Garcia wrote:
> > You posted this in 1999 at a time you claim to have been born again:
> >

> > > PS Â But you know by what I have said in the past too Dolf, that if it

> > > is *God's will* in a man's heart for a man to lie with a man then let

> > > no man dispute it. Â It is the same Spirit of faith that asked Abraham

> > > to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all things are
> > > possible."
> >

> > Simple question... Whom do you say this doctrinal teaching is of? Â God

> > or satan?
>
> You can't understand what I have said, neither understand the kind of
> a man to whom I am speaking or the kind of situation he is in,
> Vincent, you have just come blasting in in your characteristic
> traditional 'kill all the proofters' self-righteous man-made christian
> indignation.
>
> Simple answer Vincent, DO NOT JUDGE, which is of GOD.
>
> God is not conformed to your image! Did you think that your 'perfect
> head' contains all there is to know??
>
> As usual though, all you have done is take the 'PS' of what I have
> said; a piece of it, thereby creating your own flavour/context/
> atmosphere/the surrounding meaning as to what I have said. You do not
> know your own heart. The fact that you take pieces of what I say (in
> many things) to create an evil novel speaks volumes.
>
> Do you think the Lord is NOT going to reward you for that??!!
>
> Is it right for an atheist to take one piece of what the Bible says
> and call God a murderer, for if you were to take it as such God is a
> murderer??
>

> Num 31:17    Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and

> kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
>
> Then why is it right for you to do the same thing with me??
>
> Michael Christ

It's right because you hold yourself up as sinless and a teacher of the
unlearned. That being the case YOU BETTER make clear whether this
statement FROM YOU reflects God's or satan's teachings:

> PS But you know by what I have said in the past too Dolf, that if it
> is *God's will* in a man's heart for a man to lie with a man then let
> no man dispute it. It is the same Spirit of faith that asked Abraham
> to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all things are
> possible."

Trying to avoid the repurcussions of your own past and your own
statements by bitching about context--then refusing to disavow flat out
SATANIC statements like this--marks you for what you are.

The first words in response to my question, if you WERE a real
Christian, should be "Of COURSE that statement is of satan as it stands!
That's not what I believe at all! What I REALLY meant was never that God
could send homosexual desire between two men, but that..."

And then you should go on to utterly denounce any thought that God would
EVER send homosexual desires between two men as some sort of spirit of
faith.

But all of us here know this is exactly what you believe, so you can't
deny it, but only complain you're taken out of context* and then go
complain about being falsely judged...while NEVER disavowing the message
of the statemenet at all.

* Just as you did when your quotes of sinlessness were claimed, and you
demanded direct quotes which were provided.
Just as you did when you asked for a quote where you attack all
believers and were given one.

> Yes I am...holiness (without sin).

"Out of context! "Out of context!"

> As you know full well, yes, I AM SAYING THAT I DO NOT SIN.

"Out of context! "Out of context!"

> PS But you know by what I have said in the past too Dolf, that if it
> is *God's will* in a man's heart for a man to lie with a man then let
> no man dispute it. It is the same Spirit of faith that asked Abraham
> to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all things are
> possible."

"Out of context! "Out of context!"

> Tell me Richard in all sincerity, which one of these declarations is
> of God...
> "Sinless perfection is impossible" or "With God all things are
> possible".


"Out of context! "Out of context!"

>The testimony of the born again man is not, 'I am perfect', even
> though he is.

"Out of context! "Out of context!"

Vince: Do you declare regular Christian denominations, both catholic and
protestant, to be heretical?

Michael: >ABSOLUTELY!!! Without a shadow of a doubt in the world!!

"Out of context! "Out of context! Bwaaaaaaa. Aaaaaaaaaa."

Every time you open your sewage mouth it's "out of context" if someone
reminds you of your own words.

You aren't fooling anyone, worm of satan

[duke]

On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 12:50:20 -0800, vince garcia <vggar...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>It's right because you hold yourself up as sinless and a teacher of the
>unlearned. That being the case YOU BETTER make clear whether this
>statement FROM YOU reflects God's or satan's teachings:

In all these years, I've never seen him come up with God's teachings.

[duke]

On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:09:27 -0800, vince garcia <vggar...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

Sad commentary on the boy.

>MC: >>God is able with one flick of His finger to feed and clothe the
>>>poor.
>>>Did you realise that?
>>?And He doesn't need a single human being to do it.

>Is his point that he need not spend his meagre resources on the poor
>because God can take care of them, and he doesn't want to interfere in
>God's plan by possibly hellping someone God is trying to teach by
>placing him in need?

I think his sad state of affairs with is comes before the comma "he need not
spend his meager resources on the poor because God can take care of them". The
boy just doesn't understand that God specifically called us to do that.

[duke]

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 11:37:06 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross <tcro...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

And lost from God's world.

>"He [is] starving in some deep mystery, like a man who is sure what is
>true." -- L. Cohen.
>
>This is the final devolution of eschatology-driven virtue. He does
>what he does to earn his place in heaven. But without charity to
>guide, the sophistries are endless. He has preached that good works
>are meaningless because only faith counts. But faith merits nothing
>because a person gets faith as a gift from God. In the end, his only
>goal in life is removed from any practical attempt for achievement.
>He has left only the ghastly certainty that the God of the Old
>Testament will choose some for endless bliss and others for eternal
>torment. And he desperately hopes he is on the winning team.
>
>TCross

[vince garcia]

Pete wrote:

>
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 12:50:20 -0800, vince garcia wrote:
>
> > You aren't fooling anyone, worm of satan
> >
> >> PS But you know by what I have said in the past too Dolf, that if it
> >> is *God's will* in a man's heart for a man to lie with a man then let
> >> no man dispute it. It is the same Spirit of faith that asked Abraham
> >> to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all things are
> >> possible."
>

> He sure can't. The fact that he does not renounce this says far more than I
> would want to dwell on. His so called "slip" of his "wife" using his email
> now seems or appears to be a deceptive "slip".
>
> --
> Peter
> A living Stone
> A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> Joh 13:34-35 KJV Pray for MC


They alwsys lip up sooner or later.

As I pointed out a while back, he already slipped up by his "26 years
before I was born again " claim.

The math don't add up

[Terry Cross]

On Dec 7, 12:33 pm, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> The point was that Rod is relying on his human righteousness.

Righteousness is something that starts small in a person and grows
with years of practice. Jesus holds us responsible for our righteous
acts.

Matthew 25
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye
blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the
foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye
gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in
prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee
an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and
clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my
brethren, ye have done it unto me.

You are confused to think there is some righteousness that is divine
and another that is human. This is not a doctrine from Jesus. This
may be only an excuse for failure, but you will have to determine that
for yourself. Rather, you should follow the many exhortations by
Jesus to do good unto all persons, to help those you can, to feed the
hungry and clothe the naked, to lead whom you can to righteous action,
and to spread the gospel.

TCross

[Rod]

But what kind of kids would we be if we had a Father that does
everything for us ? Spoiled brats is what we'd become. God tells all
*explicitly* in the scriptures what HE wants us to be doing, and we
are without excuse if found refusing to do so.

Do *YOU* realize *that*?

>
> And He doesn't need a single human being to do it.

No, he doesn't *need* us to, He *commands us* too.

>
> You are a deluded generation, such like the world has never known
> before.

And you are another that thinks salvation is a free ride.



>
>
>
> Michael Christ

[Rod]

On 12/7/2012 11:23 AM, duke wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 20:54:02 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
> <jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Hop to it boy!!
>
>> God is able with one flick of His finger to feed and clothe the poor.
>> Did you realise that?
>> And He doesn't need a single human being to do it.
>
> And if you knew God, you're know that's exactly what he requires
> of............YOU.
>
> Chop, chop, boy.
>

> The dukester, American - American
> ********************************************
> You can't fix stupid.
> ********************************************
>

<smiling....>

[Michael Christ]

Michael Christ wrote:
> > God is able with one flick of His finger to feed and clothe the poor.
>
> > Did you realise that?

Rod wrote:
>    But what kind of kids would we be if we had a Father that does
> everything for us ? Spoiled brats is what we'd become.

Amusing.

Rod wrote:
> God tells all
> *explicitly* in the scriptures what HE wants us to be doing, and we
> are without excuse if found refusing to do so.

There is a time for all things under the sun, Rod, and that time is
not determined by whatever comes into a man's mind/humanistic
thinking.

Rod wrote:
>    Do *YOU* realize *that*?

God is not a book you go and read and run off and do whatever you want
when you want; contrary to man-made christianity.

You must know the Lord's will for you in your daily life through
relationship in the Spirit with Him.

No substitute for that.

Michael Christ wrote:
>And He doesn't need a single human being to do it.

Rod wrote:
>No, he doesn't *need* us to, He *commands us* too.

As I have already said.

If you did do everything He commands you wouldn't being trying to
raise yourself up in the flesh in righteousness.

So, if you promote doing what He commands, do all (not some) or be
judged a hypocrite.

Michael Christ wrote:
> > You are a deluded generation, such like the world has never known
> > before.

Rod wrote:
>And you are another that thinks salvation is a free ride.

:-). I am not going there.

All you are doing is what is right in your own eyes, and calling it
Christianity, Rod. That is precisely what has all this man-made
christianity in the abyss of fallen humanistic morality.

How about you put your prejudices aside and simply look at the plain
truth? It is right in front of your eyes. You defend the catholic
church because it gives a hand out to the poor and yet it is
responsible for massive crimes against its neighbours all the way
through history.

Your eyes are clouded by your own sense of moral uprightness. You
haven't come to the place of Job 42:5,6, and everyone needs to. Now,
while there is yet time.



Michael Christ

[Rod]

Liar! I am relying upon Christ for salvation, and He too calls for
obedience just as the father has.

it's known as love God with all you are and your neighbor as yourself,
and you can't live up to either if you know your neighbor needs food,
medicine and shelter yet you leave him on the street cold and hungry
as you appear to be inclined to do.

>
> And I don't see you or that Terry woman trying to help him.

We are trying to *help you*, Michael. When you disobey God's commands
you *ARE off the path*, no if's, no ands, and no excuses.

[Michael Christ]

...you wouldn't need to deceitfully snip and cut sentences and
paragraphs, Vincent Garcia.

Vincent, if you don't listen to what I say then your questions cannot
be answered.

Not that you want them answered anyway; it would make you wrong. :-).

You want everything to conform to everything you are. Well, the truth
is not going to do that, Vinnie.




Michael Christ

PS By the way, you ought to be worried, you have every reason to be.

[Michael Christ]

On 8 Dec, 08:14, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 12:50:20 -0800, vince garcia wrote:

> > You aren't fooling anyone, worm of satan
>
> >> PS  But you know by what I have said in the past too Dolf, that if it
> >> is *God's will* in a man's heart for a man to lie with a man then let
> >> no man dispute it.  It is the same Spirit of faith that asked Abraham
> >> to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all things are
> >> possible."
>

> He sure can't. The fact that he does not renounce this says far more than I
> would want to dwell on. His so called "slip" of his "wife" using his email
> now seems or appears to be a deceptive "slip".

Like being SDA?

:-).

You people choose to believe what suits your fallen disposition.




Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

You interpret according to the sin in you, Vincent.

That is the problem.

You don't know your own heart.




Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

On 8 Dec, 09:51, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 7, 12:33 pm, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The point was that Rod is relying on his human righteousness.

Your incredible judgements of me are based in your own stinking
humanistic self-righteousness, Terry.

Other than that its all good. :-).

We are nothing alike, Terreus Erectus.

The point was that Rod is relying on his human righteousness...that is
not good, in fact very bad. And how you draw all that nonsense you
posted is simply silly. Perhaps you don't like me and are trying to
bring me down. :-).

Why?

To try and make thouself exalted, same as all the others. What a
breed of vipers you are! Enjoy the moment.



Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

Rod wrote:
>    We are trying to *help you*, Michael. When you disobey God's commands
>    you *ARE off the path*, no if's, no ands, and no excuses.

Rod, you are walking in the judgement of a self-righteous human being
and not in the will of God.

Haven't I got more to fear from Him if I lie than a few of you tapping
on keyboards??





Michael Christ

[Rod]

it is a waste of time to even defend against your accusations Michael,
no defense is needed.

James_1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is
this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to
keep himself unspotted from the world.

That is precisely what has all this man-made
> christianity in the abyss of fallen humanistic morality.
>
> How about you put your prejudices aside and simply look at the plain
> truth? It is right in front of your eyes. You defend the catholic
> church because it gives a hand out to the poor and yet it is
> responsible for massive crimes against its neighbours all the way
> through history.
>
> Your eyes are clouded by your own sense of moral uprightness. You
> haven't come to the place of Job 42:5,6, and everyone needs to. Now,
> while there is yet time.
>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>

[Michael Christ]

On 8 Dec, 10:24, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Meaning, God is contrary to man-made christianity.




Michael Christ

[Terry Cross]

On Dec 7, 3:48 pm, Michael Christ <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com>

Your thundering denunciations cannot substitute for logic, Michael.

> We are nothing alike, Terreus Erectus.
>
> The point was that Rod is relying on his human righteousness...that is
> not good, in fact very bad.  And how you draw all that nonsense you
> posted is simply silly.  Perhaps you don't like me and are trying to
> bring me down.  :-).

Can you show me a verse where Jesus drew a distinction between "human
righteousness" and any other kind?

> Why?
>
> To try and make thouself exalted, same as all the others.  What a
> breed of vipers you are!  Enjoy the moment.

Hopefully, you will address the questions.

TCross

[Rod]

She wouldn't have ya, Michelle..

>
> The point was that Rod is relying on his human righteousness...that is
> not good, in fact very bad.

And once more you lie about me....it isn't even a surprise any
longer. Go ahead, lie all you want.

And how you draw all that nonsense you
> posted is simply silly. Perhaps you don't like me and are trying to
> bring me down. :-).

or perhaps you're stupid and can't understand ?

>
> Why?
>
> To try and make thouself exalted, same as all the others.

Exalted ? Just as YOU have done to *YOURSELF*?

What a
> breed of vipers you are!

Look in the mirror satan. You'll see an ass staring back
at you.



Enjoy the moment.

You likely will, from what I've read of you...

[Rod]

That is again YOUR judgement, not that of God. Nothing you've shown
so demonstrates God's will in your life. it's all lip service on your
part, for the most worthless.

>
> Haven't I got more to fear from Him if I lie than a few of you tapping
> on keyboards??
>

Why is it that you can't seem to remember this when you tell those
lies ?

[Michael Christ]

On 8 Dec, 10:55, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 15:37:12 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ wrote:
> > On 8 Dec, 08:14, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 12:50:20 -0800, vince garcia wrote:
> >>> You aren't fooling anyone, worm of satan
>
> >>>> PS But you know by what I have said in the past too Dolf, that if it
> >>>> is *God's will* in a man's heart for a man to lie with a man then let
> >>>> no man dispute it. It is the same Spirit of faith that asked Abraham
> >>>> to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all things are
> >>>> possible."
>
> >> He sure can't. The fact that he does not renounce this says far more than I
> >> would want to dwell on. His so called "slip" of his "wife" using his email
> >> now seems or appears to be a deceptive "slip".
>
> > Like being SDA?
>
> > :-).
>

> Yeah I asked you many times as I could not recall, even though you posted
> it to me. Basically all I recalled is that it was a cult, and that you did
> at one time favor the wife and husband who posted here from that group.

Michael Christ wrote:
>You people choose to believe what suits your fallen disposition.

Pete wrote:
> So sorry Michael but that is not true. Your half truths are worse than your
> lies. Which is why it is on the list of the seven deadly sins.

Ooooooh, you better keep them in check by thy might, Buddy.

Never mind the fact that sin is what you are, not what you can point
to in your lovely righteousness.


Pete wrote:
> I know you are hurting, yet your pride is stronger than your pull for the
> Lord and friendship that is to be gained in and through Jesus Christ. Fear
> is a boogie man, go through it, straight to Jesus Christ.

Oh please, Pete, you are making me want to throw. :-). All you have
done is reveal your own issues.

You are as right about me as you were about me being SDA.

It is a simple thing the Lord showed you, but if you can't even
acknowledge that there is no hope of getting anything else.

You will just have to carry on in your imaginations suiting that
fallen disposition.



Michael Christ

[Linda Lee]

On Dec 6, 1:47 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 07:39:17 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>

> >> > PS But you know by what I have said in the past too Dolf, that if it
> >> > is *God's will* in a man's heart for a man to lie with a man then let
> >> > no man dispute it.
>

> >God does not tempt man to sin, and homosexuality is forbidden as a sin
> >in both the Old and New Testaments, so homosexual desires cannot be
> >"God's will".
>

> >Jas 1:12  Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is
> >tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath
> >promised to them that love him.
> >Jas 1:13  Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for
> >God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
> >Jas 1:14  But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own
> >lust, and enticed.
> >Jas 1:15  Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and
> >sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
>

> >> > It is the same Spirit of faith that asked Abraham
> >> > to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all things are
> >> > possible."
>

> >For some reason, people seem to overlook that Abraham did NOT kill his
> >son Isaac, and in fact, Abraham was believing that God would NOT have
> >him do so (Gen. 22:8), but that God Himself would provide a sacrifice,
> >which He did.
>

> Wow, linda dreaming up more garbage.  Scripture says Abraham believed God and it
> is credited to him as righteousness.

Once again, you deny the Scriptures that were provided for you.
Abraham believed God was God; that faith in God was what made him
righteous. And your statement contradicts your devilish "deeds without
faith saves" doctrine, but then 'contradictory nonsense' is your
middle name.

>
> > It was simply a test to see if Abram/Abraham (the first
> >Hebrew) actually worshipped God
>

> Haahaahaa.  Are you suggesting God didn't know the answer?

You're really dense. Read the Scriptures, or at least put yourself
out enough to read one or two verses:

Gen. 22:8 "And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb

for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together."

[Michael Christ]

On 8 Dec, 17:03, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

> I am glad to hear you noticed that, but it is not mine, it is the Lords
> Righteousness. Mine was filthy.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Pete wrote:
> >> I know you are hurting, yet your pride is stronger than your pull for the
> >> Lord and friendship that is to be gained in and through Jesus Christ. Fear
> >> is a boogie man, go through it, straight to Jesus Christ.
>
> > Oh please, Pete, you are making me want to throw.  :-).  All you have
> > done is reveal your own issues.
>
> > You are as right about me as you were about me being SDA.
>
> > It is a simple thing the Lord showed you, but if you can't even
> > acknowledge that there is no hope of getting anything else.
>
> > You will just have to carry on in your imaginations suiting that
> > fallen disposition.
>
> > Michael Christ
>

> You slid downhill fast. Too bad. Give up your sin, the Lord is able to
> forgive.

Oh stop the masturbating, Peter.




Michael Christ

[duke]

On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 17:08:04 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 12/7/2012 11:23 AM, duke wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 20:54:02 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
>> <jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Hop to it boy!!
>>
>>> God is able with one flick of His finger to feed and clothe the poor.
>>> Did you realise that?
>>> And He doesn't need a single human being to do it.
>>
>> And if you knew God, you're know that's exactly what he requires
>> of............YOU.
>>
>> Chop, chop, boy.
>>
>
>> The dukester, American - American
>> ********************************************
>> You can't fix stupid.
>> ********************************************
>>
> <smiling....>

Who's less biblically educated - pete or mikey?

[duke]

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:15:29 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
wrote:

>> >For some reason, people seem to overlook that Abraham did NOT kill his
>> >son Isaac, and in fact, Abraham was believing that God would NOT have
>> >him do so (Gen. 22:8), but that God Himself would provide a sacrifice,
>> >which He did.

>> Wow, linda dreaming up more garbage.  Scripture says Abraham believed God and it
>> is credited to him as righteousness.

>Once again, you deny the Scriptures that were provided for you.
>Abraham believed God was God; that faith in God was what made him
>righteous. And your statement contradicts your devilish "deeds without
>faith saves" doctrine, but then 'contradictory nonsense' is your
>middle name.

Linda, a simple person can read that Abraham obeyed, quote OBEYED, God and was
ready to perform the ritual on Isaac. This was the society Abraham came from -
a people eater. And because he was in the process of following his God's
commands, it was then credited to him as righteousness in obedience and stopped.

Only a really stupid and unlearned person would suggest, contrary to scripture,
that "Abraham knew God would stop him". You're truly sad.

Do you or don't you understand that we are called to "obey God"?

>> > It was simply a test to see if Abram/Abraham (the first
>> >Hebrew) actually worshipped God
>> Haahaahaa.  Are you suggesting God didn't know the answer?

>You're really dense. Read the Scriptures, or at least put yourself
>out enough to read one or two verses:

Yes, it was a test of Abraham by God who already knew the result, but Abraham
didn't know that.

[Linda Lee]

On Dec 8, 8:21 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:15:29 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>

> wrote:
>
> >> >For some reason, people seem to overlook that Abraham did NOT kill his
> >> >son Isaac, and in fact, Abraham was believing that God would NOT have
> >> >him do so (Gen. 22:8), but that God Himself would provide a sacrifice,
> >> >which He did.
> >> Wow, linda dreaming up more garbage. Scripture says Abraham believed God and it
> >> is credited to him as righteousness.
> >Once again, you deny the Scriptures that were provided for you.
> >Abraham believed God was God; that faith in God was what made him
> >righteous. And your statement contradicts your devilish "deeds without
> >faith saves" doctrine, but then 'contradictory nonsense' is your
> >middle name.
>
> Linda, a simple person

You are a simple person, and not in a good way, but in a shallow
unspiritual way.

> can read that Abraham obeyed, quote OBEYED, God and was
> ready to perform the ritual on Isaac.

Abraham would have if it turned out that it was required, but Abraham
was assured it would not be required. Use your brain. Abraham knew
that God had promised him a son, Isaac, and promised that Abraham
would be the father of a great nation through that son, and Abraham
BELIEVED GOD, and that belief was accounted to him for righteousness
(for obedience), and that is why he was assured God would not actually
have him go through with it, as the death of Isaac was contrary to
God's previous promises to Abraham. The way you look at it, Abraham
was simply tricking his son with lies when he assured Isaac that God
himself would provide a lamb for the sacrifice.

> This was the society Abraham came from -
> a people eater.  And because he was in the process of following his God's
> commands, it was then credited to him as righteousness in obedience and stopped.
>
> Only a really stupid and unlearned person would suggest,

Projection.

> contrary to scripture,
> that "Abraham knew God would stop him".  You're truly sad.

You're truly sad, as well as stupid, and not worth the bother with
your idiotic accusations. You work for the Devil with your allegation
that people do not have to believe in Christ to be saved, contrary to
everything Christ taught.

>
> Do you or don't you understand that we are called to "obey God"?

Yes, I understand that, you accusatory idiot.

>
> >> > It was simply a test to see if Abram/Abraham (the first
> >> >Hebrew) actually worshipped God
> >> Haahaahaa. Are you suggesting God didn't know the answer?
> >You're really dense.  Read the Scriptures, or at least put yourself
> >out enough to read one or two verses:

And of course, stubborn stupid Duke deletes the Scriptures provided so
he can make his claims.

>
> Yes, it was a test of Abraham by God who already knew the result, but Abraham
> didn't know that.
>

Here again is what you deleted so you can ignore the word of God in
favor of your own ignorant ideas about what is right:

Gen. 22:8 "And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb
for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together."

Gen 22:11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven,
and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do

thou any thing unto him: for NOW I KNOW THAT THOU FEAREST GOD, seeing

[duke]

Yeah, you and I are particularly well known for that.

[duke]

On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 06:33:22 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
wrote:

>On Dec 8, 8:21 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:15:29 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> >For some reason, people seem to overlook that Abraham did NOT kill his
>> >> >son Isaac, and in fact, Abraham was believing that God would NOT have
>> >> >him do so (Gen. 22:8), but that God Himself would provide a sacrifice,
>> >> >which He did.
>> >> Wow, linda dreaming up more garbage. Scripture says Abraham believed God and it
>> >> is credited to him as righteousness.
>> >Once again, you deny the Scriptures that were provided for you.
>> >Abraham believed God was God; that faith in God was what made him
>> >righteous. And your statement contradicts your devilish "deeds without
>> >faith saves" doctrine, but then 'contradictory nonsense' is your
>> >middle name.
>>
>> Linda, a simple person

>You are a simple person, and not in a good way, but in a shallow
>unspiritual way.

Linda, I would be guilty of YOUR sin if I didn't admonish you for it.

>> can read that Abraham obeyed, quote OBEYED, God and was
>> ready to perform the ritual on Isaac.

>Abraham would have if it turned out that it was required, but Abraham
>was assured it would not be required. Use your brain. Abraham knew
>that God had promised him a son, Isaac, and promised that Abraham
>would be the father of a great nation through that son, and Abraham
>BELIEVED GOD, and that belief was accounted to him for righteousness
>(for obedience), and that is why he was assured God would not actually
>have him go through with it

You're fabricating lies, linda. Abraham came from a society of people eaters,
and when God ordered him to perform a sacrifice, he followed orders. You're
trying to destroy the whole story of Abraham and obedience to God

>You're truly sad, as well as stupid, and not worth the bother with
>your idiotic accusations. You work for the Devil with your allegation
>that people do not have to believe in Christ to be saved, contrary to
>everything Christ taught.

You're scared to death to read and follow scripture, instead preferring black
magic stories. You can't even accept that scripture says God became man, fully
man. And that only the Father knew the truth.

[Michael Christ]

You are up the creek without even a canoe, Dukester.

It is your own fault because you just will not listen...like that
sinful Vincent fellow.



Michael Christ

[Rod]

On 12/8/2012 7:14 AM, duke wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 17:08:04 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/7/2012 11:23 AM, duke wrote:
>>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 20:54:02 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
>>> <jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Hop to it boy!!
>>>
>>>> God is able with one flick of His finger to feed and clothe the poor.
>>>> Did you realise that?
>>>> And He doesn't need a single human being to do it.
>>>
>>> And if you knew God, you're know that's exactly what he requires
>>> of............YOU.
>>>
>>> Chop, chop, boy.
>>>
>>
>>> The dukester, American - American
>>> ********************************************
>>> You can't fix stupid.
>>> ********************************************
>>>
>> <smiling....>
>
> Who's less biblically educated - pete or mikey?

Mikey!

>
> The dukester, American - American
> ********************************************
> You can't fix stupid.
> ********************************************
>

[Sam Taylor]

"vince garcia" wrote in message news:50C097...@ix.netcom.com...

Michael Christ wrote:
> The Great Itchy wrote:

Sam adds,
I must object, as the Great Itchy, is a very happy person, but not
Gay.
although He does have a strange and wonderfully close
relationship with his BFF Scratchy.
Whom Himself is rather happy, but not Gay.
They are more interested in the Mutual Transconductence
of a 6L6 than anything Sexual
truthfully
Sam

> > You're an EGOIST and a lying closet homosexual who USES
> > "Christ" to cover up his filth.
>
> Produce something boy, after all its almost Christmas! :-).
>
> Something more than your homosexual urges...

You hypocrite--how dare you accuse Itchy of homosexual urges when YOU
are the one with a gay affair in his past!


On 1999/03/12
Michael Sheppard wrote of his meeting Michael Christ:
> He began by telling me that God had him get involved
> in a homosexual relationship with a younger man called Moses.
> By submitting to sex with this person he was laying down his life
> and giving God "his all". That`s a quote from him. After a couple of
> years they broke up. And he has been out of any fellowship since.
> He has no group or followers.
> ...My wife is also a witness and my business partner is also.
> I will give my phone number out to any who email me.

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 Michael Christ wrote:
> I did tell Sheppard of having a sexual encounter with a person in my
> twenties with a man in his twenties.

YOU'RE the one with homosexual urges, hypocrite

And let's see wht you posted on the subject not 26 years before you were
born again, as you try to hide behind...but only *13* years ago:

> PS But you know by what I have said in the past too Dolf, that if it
> is *God's will* in a man's heart for a man to lie with a man then let
> no man dispute it. It is the same Spirit of faith that asked Abraham
> to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all things are
> possible."

[Linda Lee]

On Dec 8, 1:39 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 06:33:22 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Dec 8, 8:21 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:15:29 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >For some reason, people seem to overlook that Abraham did NOT kill his
> >> >> >son Isaac, and in fact, Abraham was believing that God would NOT have
> >> >> >him do so (Gen. 22:8), but that God Himself would provide a sacrifice,
> >> >> >which He did.
> >> >> Wow, linda dreaming up more garbage. Scripture says Abraham believed God and it
> >> >> is credited to him as righteousness.
> >> >Once again, you deny the Scriptures that were provided for you.
> >> >Abraham believed God was God; that faith in God was what made him
> >> >righteous. And your statement contradicts your devilish "deeds without
> >> >faith saves" doctrine, but then 'contradictory nonsense' is your
> >> >middle name.
>
> >> Linda, a simple person
> >You are a simple person, and not in a good way, but in a shallow
> >unspiritual way.
>
> Linda, I would be guilty of YOUR sin if I didn't admonish you for it.

It is you who sins with your anti-gospel doctrines - your denial that
faith in the Messiah is necessary to escape God's judgment and obtain
salvation, which the Messiah said repeatedly and which is also
contained in Psa. 2:11-12.

>
> You're scared to death to read and follow scripture, instead preferring black
> magic stories.

Idiot. What you call "black magic stories" is the Scriptures'
reference to God himself writing the Ten Commandments.

[duke]

On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:00:38 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> >You interpret according to the sin in you, Vincent.
>> Yeah, you and I are particularly well known for that.

>You are up the creek without even a canoe, Dukester.
>It is your own fault because you just will not listen...like that
>sinful Vincent fellow.

A good confession (John 20:22-23) would do wonders for you.

[duke]

On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 19:31:49 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 12/8/2012 7:14 AM, duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 17:08:04 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/7/2012 11:23 AM, duke wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 20:54:02 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
>>>> <jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Hop to it boy!!
>>>>
>>>>> God is able with one flick of His finger to feed and clothe the poor.
>>>>> Did you realise that?
>>>>> And He doesn't need a single human being to do it.
>>>>
>>>> And if you knew God, you're know that's exactly what he requires
>>>> of............YOU.
>>>>
>>>> Chop, chop, boy.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> The dukester, American - American
>>>> ********************************************
>>>> You can't fix stupid.
>>>> ********************************************
>>>>
>>> <smiling....>
>>
>> Who's less biblically educated - pete or mikey?
>
> Mikey!

That's for sure, but pete is really out there on the far side in some of his
expressed misunderstandings of scripture.

[duke]

On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 04:43:20 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
wrote:

Faith is demonstrated "to yourself and God" in your deeds. Right?

>> You're scared to death to read and follow scripture, instead preferring black
>> magic stories.

>Idiot. What you call "black magic stories" is the Scriptures'
>reference to God himself writing the Ten Commandments.

God gave us the 10 commandments. You're hung up on the black magic.

[Linda Lee]

On Dec 9, 8:45 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 04:43:20 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >> You're scared to death to read and follow scripture, instead preferring black
> >> magic stories.
>
> >Idiot. What you call "black magic stories" is the Scriptures'
> >reference to God himself writing the Ten Commandments.
>
> God gave us the 10 commandments.  You're hung up on the black magic.

Shut up, you heretic.

> ********************************************

[duke]

On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:20:39 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
wrote:

Which finger on which hand did he use to "write the 10 commandments"?

[Rod]

On 12/9/2012 7:33 AM, duke wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 19:31:49 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/8/2012 7:14 AM, duke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 17:08:04 -0600, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/7/2012 11:23 AM, duke wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 20:54:02 -0800 (PST), Michael Christ
>>>>> <jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hop to it boy!!
>>>>>
>>>>>> God is able with one flick of His finger to feed and clothe the poor.
>>>>>> Did you realise that?
>>>>>> And He doesn't need a single human being to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if you knew God, you're know that's exactly what he requires
>>>>> of............YOU.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chop, chop, boy.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The dukester, American - American
>>>>> ********************************************
>>>>> You can't fix stupid.
>>>>> ********************************************
>>>>>
>>>> <smiling....>
>>>
>>> Who's less biblically educated - pete or mikey?
>>
>> Mikey!
>
> That's for sure, but pete is really out there on the far side in some of his
> expressed misunderstandings of scripture.
>

I'm afraid that Michael may have set himself up as some kind of god
in his own mind. He claims not to care about other peoples opinions
of him and the things he says, yet in contrary posts down the thread
he comments on their "misunderstanding" what he has said. Michael
likes to assign meanings to words that are not commonly know to all,
a game to keep his delusion up...

He is sick in the noggin, for real...

[Rod]

On 12/9/2012 5:52 PM, duke wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:20:39 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 9, 8:45 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 04:43:20 -0800 (PST), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> You're scared to death to read and follow scripture, instead preferring black
>>>>> magic stories.
>>>
>>>> Idiot. What you call "black magic stories" is the Scriptures'
>>>> reference to God himself writing the Ten Commandments.
>>>
>>> God gave us the 10 commandments. You're hung up on the black magic.
>>
>> Shut up, you heretic.
>
> Which finger on which hand did he use to "write the 10 commandments"?
>

Why would "someone" who can speak the universe into existence
be dependent upon a "finger" to get His point across ??

NOT is the answer..

[Rod]

On 12/8/2012 8:15 PM, Sam Taylor wrote:
>
>
> "vince garcia" wrote in message news:50C097...@ix.netcom.com...
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> The Great Itchy wrote:
>
> Sam adds,
> I must object, as the Great Itchy, is a very happy person, but not
> Gay.
> although He does have a strange and wonderfully close
> relationship with his BFF Scratchy.
> Whom Himself is rather happy, but not Gay.
> They are more interested in the Mutual Transconductence
> of a 6L6 than anything Sexual
> truthfully
> Sam

How about a 6JS6A or a 12AU7A ??

[Sam Taylor]

"Rod" wrote in message news:ka515t$sv5$2...@dont-email.me...

On 12/8/2012 8:15 PM, Sam Taylor wrote:
>
>
> "vince garcia" wrote in message news:50C097...@ix.netcom.com...
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> The Great Itchy wrote:
>
> Sam adds,
> I must object, as the Great Itchy, is a very happy person, but not
> Gay.
> although He does have a strange and wonderfully close
> relationship with his BFF Scratchy.
> Whom Himself is rather happy, but not Gay.
> They are more interested in the Mutual Transconductence
> of a 6L6 than anything Sexual
> truthfully
> Sam


How about a 6JS6A or a 12AU7A ??

them two, as they are former
Canadians....... from the
frozen north.

[Michael Christ]

On 11 Dec, 04:12, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:03:18 -0600, Rod wrote:
>
> >> Sam adds,
> >> I must object, as the Great Itchy, is a very happy person, but not
> >> Gay.
> >> although He does have a strange and wonderfully  close
> >> relationship with his BFF Scratchy.
> >> Whom Himself is rather happy, but not Gay.
> >> They are more interested in the Mutual Transconductence
> >> of a 6L6 than anything Sexual
> >> truthfully
> >> Sam
>
> >    How about a 6JS6A or a 12AU7A ??
>

> Now that is funny! If they only knew!

Well that is vacuous!

:-).



Michael Christ

[Michael Christ]

On 11 Dec, 02:58, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/9/2012 7:33 AM, duke wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 19:31:49 -0600, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On 12/8/2012 7:14 AM, duke wrote:

It is not what you think that matters, Rodders.

It is what the truth is that matters. Try to discern the difference.

All you have done is make an assertion and based on your own assertion
made a deduction and come to a conclusion.

Jer_10:23 (KJV) O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in
himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Simple.

By the way, that is man-made christianity for you.




Michael Christ

[vince garcia]

Pete wrote:

>
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:03:18 -0600, Rod wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Sam adds,
> >> I must object, as the Great Itchy, is a very happy person, but not
> >> Gay.
> >> although He does have a strange and wonderfully close
> >> relationship with his BFF Scratchy.
> >> Whom Himself is rather happy, but not Gay.
> >> They are more interested in the Mutual Transconductence
> >> of a 6L6 than anything Sexual
> >> truthfully
> >> Sam
> >
> > How about a 6JS6A or a 12AU7A ??
>

> Now that is funny! If they only knew!
>

> --
> Peter
> A living Stone
> A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> Joh 13:34-35 KJV Pray for MC

those are vacuum tubes, right?

[Sam Taylor]

"vince garcia" wrote in message news:50C660...@ix.netcom.com...

Sam Answers Vince,
No Scratchy, & Itchy are People!!!!Sam

[Michael Christ]

On 11 Dec, 09:30, "Sam Taylor" <cyg...@cncnet.com> wrote:
> "vince garcia"  wrote in messagenews:50C660...@ix.netcom.com...

Exactly, vacuous.



Michael Christ