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micky
Jan 3, 2021, 9:12:45 AM1/3/21
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According to an anonymous voice on the radio, Jan 6 will not go as
quickly as our discussion described. It seems acc. to him that they go
through the state ballots, probably in alphabetical order, and when
there is an objection by one Rep. and one Senator, they pause right away
for 2 hours of debate in each house, then come back and resume going
through the states. So they won't have for 6 states 12 hours of debate
in a row, or even broken into 2 or 3 parts. It would be 6 parts plus an
hour after each one to get back to the joint session. I see no more
than 3 objections per day, probably only 2 handled.
I think it unlikely, but I'm still hoping one Republican will speak up,
call all this a lie from a president who lies all the time, etc. There
are rules of decorum in Congress that prevent them from saying negative
things about each other, and if there weren't discussion would
degenerate to be like here and worse. I don't know if they apply to
criticizing the president personally, and I don't' know what they do if
someone's ignoring them. Are they able to shut him up, fine him,
censure him? At least I'd like to see someone speak for a minute and
refer to his webpage, facebook page, wherever he's placed a long
criticism. But I know i"m dreaming.
The new session of Congress begins today at noon ET. Carried live by
C-Span**
Sen Grassley has complained about the Sunday session, maybe the first in
history. The Constitution says it's to begin on Jan. 3 unless the
previous Congress sets a different date, and they usually or always have
when it came out on a Sunday.
Grassley complained even though he knows the reason, which he did not
address, did not even mention.
And that is that the previous congress expired last night and, I think
it was explained by Pedro on C-Span that the Republican Senators, I
think he said, would not promise that trump would not make recess
appointments while Congress was out of session. Grassley knew this.
I don't see how the Republican Senators matter. No matter what they
promised, trump would ignore it and make appointments which iiuc are
good for two years, without senate confirmation needed. So if the
Senate is not needed, how can they promise anything. "The Constitution
states that “[t]he President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies
that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions
which shall expire at the End of their next Session” (Article II, §2,
clause 3)." End of the NEXT session, not the current one.
So if it was the Republicans in the Senate who would not promise, or if
it was the WH that Pedro said would not promise, that's even more reason
to figure that's what trump would do. He's already in the last couple
weeks taken political appointees and claimed to make them civil service
appointees that one or nore NPR reporters seem to think cannot be fired
(except for cause). I find that hard to believe, that they can't be
dedesignated from the civil service as easily as they were designated.
**When Congress or committees are in session, C-Span carries it live.
They have a channel for the House and one for the Senate and a 3rd one,
but may play committee hearings. It is usually sooooo boring, and even
when something interesting is the topic, it is sooooo slow that again it
become sooooo boring.
And from 7 or 8 until 10 every morning they have call-in, where they
rotate, Dem, Rep, Independent. I liked this at first. Maybe that was
before crackpots discovered it, or maybe it was bad but I hadn't gotten
sick of it yet. Now almost half of those who call in are really idiots,
so I can't recommend it.
What is really good is Saturday night,often early but I don't remember
details. Starting at 10 or 11, they have Book TV, even on C-Span radio,
where they show interviews with non-fiction authors, usually on politics
or biography, excellent stuff, and that lasts until maybe 6 or 7am
Sunday. You really don't need TV for most of this, radio is fine, at
https://www.c-span.org/networks/?channel=radio
quickly as our discussion described. It seems acc. to him that they go
through the state ballots, probably in alphabetical order, and when
there is an objection by one Rep. and one Senator, they pause right away
for 2 hours of debate in each house, then come back and resume going
through the states. So they won't have for 6 states 12 hours of debate
in a row, or even broken into 2 or 3 parts. It would be 6 parts plus an
hour after each one to get back to the joint session. I see no more
than 3 objections per day, probably only 2 handled.
I think it unlikely, but I'm still hoping one Republican will speak up,
call all this a lie from a president who lies all the time, etc. There
are rules of decorum in Congress that prevent them from saying negative
things about each other, and if there weren't discussion would
degenerate to be like here and worse. I don't know if they apply to
criticizing the president personally, and I don't' know what they do if
someone's ignoring them. Are they able to shut him up, fine him,
censure him? At least I'd like to see someone speak for a minute and
refer to his webpage, facebook page, wherever he's placed a long
criticism. But I know i"m dreaming.
The new session of Congress begins today at noon ET. Carried live by
C-Span**
Sen Grassley has complained about the Sunday session, maybe the first in
history. The Constitution says it's to begin on Jan. 3 unless the
previous Congress sets a different date, and they usually or always have
when it came out on a Sunday.
Grassley complained even though he knows the reason, which he did not
address, did not even mention.
And that is that the previous congress expired last night and, I think
it was explained by Pedro on C-Span that the Republican Senators, I
think he said, would not promise that trump would not make recess
appointments while Congress was out of session. Grassley knew this.
I don't see how the Republican Senators matter. No matter what they
promised, trump would ignore it and make appointments which iiuc are
good for two years, without senate confirmation needed. So if the
Senate is not needed, how can they promise anything. "The Constitution
states that “[t]he President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies
that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions
which shall expire at the End of their next Session” (Article II, §2,
clause 3)." End of the NEXT session, not the current one.
So if it was the Republicans in the Senate who would not promise, or if
it was the WH that Pedro said would not promise, that's even more reason
to figure that's what trump would do. He's already in the last couple
weeks taken political appointees and claimed to make them civil service
appointees that one or nore NPR reporters seem to think cannot be fired
(except for cause). I find that hard to believe, that they can't be
dedesignated from the civil service as easily as they were designated.
**When Congress or committees are in session, C-Span carries it live.
They have a channel for the House and one for the Senate and a 3rd one,
but may play committee hearings. It is usually sooooo boring, and even
when something interesting is the topic, it is sooooo slow that again it
become sooooo boring.
And from 7 or 8 until 10 every morning they have call-in, where they
rotate, Dem, Rep, Independent. I liked this at first. Maybe that was
before crackpots discovered it, or maybe it was bad but I hadn't gotten
sick of it yet. Now almost half of those who call in are really idiots,
so I can't recommend it.
What is really good is Saturday night,often early but I don't remember
details. Starting at 10 or 11, they have Book TV, even on C-Span radio,
where they show interviews with non-fiction authors, usually on politics
or biography, excellent stuff, and that lasts until maybe 6 or 7am
Sunday. You really don't need TV for most of this, radio is fine, at
https://www.c-span.org/networks/?channel=radio
trader_4
Jan 3, 2021, 11:57:55 AM1/3/21
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On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 9:12:45 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
> According to an anonymous voice on the radio, Jan 6 will not go as
> quickly as our discussion described. It seems acc. to him that they go
> through the state ballots, probably in alphabetical order, and when
> there is an objection by one Rep. and one Senator, they pause right away
> for 2 hours of debate in each house, then come back and resume going
> through the states. So they won't have for 6 states 12 hours of debate
> in a row, or even broken into 2 or 3 parts. It would be 6 parts plus an
> hour after each one to get back to the joint session. I see no more
> than 3 objections per day, probably only 2 handled.
>
It will be another stupid, divisive shit show, all by pathetic politicians who
> According to an anonymous voice on the radio, Jan 6 will not go as
> quickly as our discussion described. It seems acc. to him that they go
> through the state ballots, probably in alphabetical order, and when
> there is an objection by one Rep. and one Senator, they pause right away
> for 2 hours of debate in each house, then come back and resume going
> through the states. So they won't have for 6 states 12 hours of debate
> in a row, or even broken into 2 or 3 parts. It would be 6 parts plus an
> hour after each one to get back to the joint session. I see no more
> than 3 objections per day, probably only 2 handled.
>
want to try to curry favor from the Trumpets, instead of telling people the
simple truth which is that Trump lost, there was no massive fraud and it's
over. I see Ted Cruz and Hawley now have 11 or more senators that will
object. They are demanding that a panel be appointed to conduct an "audit"
of all the states that "are in dispute". Said panel would have ten days to
report back and then what they find would be given to the state legislatures
in those states, whereupon they could change their electoral votes. Never
mind that there is no provision in the law for this, that the votes have been
certified, the EC is done. How about that ten days would put us at least
at Jan 16, four days from the inauguration. And at that point, the whole
thing would be dumped back to the state legislatures? Total insanity.
And this is after two months of trying, team Trump still has no proof of
any massive fraud, or even minor fraud. But some panel is going to find
it with an "audit" in ten days? And no matter what they found, the BS
would just go on, with the trumptards claiming the panel was part of the
deep state, corrupt, didn't have enough time, etc, etc, etc.
The real solution here is for those two Republicans running for Senate
in Georgia to go down big time, lose the Senate to the Democrats.
That's all that's left. This Trump BS must end and the party needs to
suffer the consequences. That loss would show that Georgia voters
knew what they were doing when they defeated Trump and it was not
fraud.
micky
Jan 3, 2021, 12:12:50 PM1/3/21
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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 03 Jan 21 14:12:39 UTC, micky
Oops. It expired today at noon and they went into adjournment in the
Senate at 11:45AM and the HOuse at 11:59AM. AIUI this is the 4th time
in 5 new congresses when they didn't adjourn until the same day the new
Congress met.
The other days were not Sunday. Only on the 2019 occasion would they
have been concerned about trump making recess appointments, and that was
probably one of the 4 occasions above.
Oops. It expired today at noon and they went into adjournment in the
Senate at 11:45AM and the HOuse at 11:59AM. AIUI this is the 4th time
in 5 new congresses when they didn't adjourn until the same day the new
Congress met.
The other days were not Sunday. Only on the 2019 occasion would they
have been concerned about trump making recess appointments, and that was
probably one of the 4 occasions above.
micky
Jan 3, 2021, 12:28:33 PM1/3/21
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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 3 Jan 2021 08:57:49 -0800 (PST), trader_4
Absolutely not. 10 days is nothing, especially if you spend 5 in the
Bahamas. They need until May, as my posted schedule recommends.
I know don trump is geting tired and wants to retire, but I think he can
be persuaded to stay in office until May.
What you say about there being no legal provision for the states to
change the electoral votes is true, so they should skip that part and
try to persuade trump to stay for another 4 years (just typing this
sends a sharp pain through my head, but I have to say the truth.)
Bahamas. They need until May, as my posted schedule recommends.
I know don trump is geting tired and wants to retire, but I think he can
be persuaded to stay in office until May.
What you say about there being no legal provision for the states to
change the electoral votes is true, so they should skip that part and
try to persuade trump to stay for another 4 years (just typing this
sends a sharp pain through my head, but I have to say the truth.)
gfre...@aol.com
Jan 3, 2021, 2:05:10 PM1/3/21
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day as background noise but in the typical day, there are usually only
a few interesting things happening. Some votes are fun to watch, just
to see how congress people pander. It will start out with a flurry of
locked in votes. Then right about make or break time, it slows to a
crawl as all the last minute deals are made. Once the decision is
made, you get another flurry of votes as the congressmen get to say
they voted for or against the bill, depending on what is best for them
without actually changing the outcome. A lot of time the last surge is
for the side of the vote that won be that yay or nay.
In this EC deal, I expect the same sort of thing. They only plan to
protest a few states and once there are enough votes to push Biden
over, I expect it will go fast. The first protest may last a while but
it is congress, there are always procedural things going that are hard
for the average person to understand. By the close of business on the
6th, Biden will be the winner and the senators who want to, will have
it on record that they protested.
Maybe then Trump will quit. Once the Senate speaks, it is over.
Hal Bundy
Jan 3, 2021, 2:09:50 PM1/3/21
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On 1/3/2021 2:12 PM, micky wrote:
I think it unlikely, but I'm still hoping one Republican will speak up, call all this a lie from a president who lies all the time, etc. There are rules of decorum in Congress that prevent them from saying negative things about each other, and if there weren't discussion would degenerate to be like here and worse.
As the "late, great" Uncle Monster might ask, "Do we need to put
you on suicide watch?"
micky
Jan 3, 2021, 5:42:18 PM1/3/21
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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 03 Jan 2021 14:04:56 -0500,
reason.
The first objection would lead to two hour in each house and a vote, and
trump will lose, in both houses. 300 and someething to 100 and a
little bit and about 68 to 30.
Then the second state....
what are the states, Arizona? Georgia Michigan Pennsylvania Wisconsin
adn someone said there ere 6. What is the 6th. And there might be
more.
Now I can't remember, but does trump's losing any one of the 4 mean he's
lost? If so, Arizona (which is not one of the 4) and Georgia are pretty
early in the alphabet.
Anyhow, by the 2nd or 3rd state and being trounced 300 to 100 and 68 to
30 each time... I was going to say they would quit trying, but it just
occurred to me that each Republican who is objecting needs his 5
minutes, to get video to make campaign commercials. And even the ones
who aren't objecting, who say he lost, might have a good speech they
want to make (for campaign commercials to explain why they're on the
wrong side). It could drag on for 2 or 3 days, but I think by the end
of the first day Biden will have enough votes counted and not ojbected
to, or objected to and won anyhow, plus those for which no objection is
expected, to have won.
Of course, who knows, the Reps might object to NY and California too. -)
And then there is the tape that came out today. Some pundits are
calling it a clear example of if not extortion election tampering. I'm
sure that's what it was but I don't think it was clear and I don't think
they could get a conviction in any circumstances. But it's still should
be very embarrassing to Republicans who still say he won.
In theory it might lower the number of objectors, but if one or two
change that would be impressive. I think they are dug in and won't
change even two years from now, when 1/4 of them will be defeated
because of this and 3/4's won't be.
>it is congress, there are always procedural things going that are hard
>for the average person to understand. By the close of business on the
>6th, Biden will be the winner and the senators who want to, will have
>it on record that they protested.
>Maybe then Trump will quit.
Quit claiming he won, or quit the office?
gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>In this EC deal, I expect the same sort of thing. They only plan to
>protest a few states and once there are enough votes to push Biden
>over, I expect it will go fast. The first protest may last a while but
Good point. I was thinking the same thing, but for a slightly different
>
>
>In this EC deal, I expect the same sort of thing. They only plan to
>protest a few states and once there are enough votes to push Biden
>over, I expect it will go fast. The first protest may last a while but
reason.
The first objection would lead to two hour in each house and a vote, and
trump will lose, in both houses. 300 and someething to 100 and a
little bit and about 68 to 30.
Then the second state....
what are the states, Arizona? Georgia Michigan Pennsylvania Wisconsin
adn someone said there ere 6. What is the 6th. And there might be
more.
Now I can't remember, but does trump's losing any one of the 4 mean he's
lost? If so, Arizona (which is not one of the 4) and Georgia are pretty
early in the alphabet.
Anyhow, by the 2nd or 3rd state and being trounced 300 to 100 and 68 to
30 each time... I was going to say they would quit trying, but it just
occurred to me that each Republican who is objecting needs his 5
minutes, to get video to make campaign commercials. And even the ones
who aren't objecting, who say he lost, might have a good speech they
want to make (for campaign commercials to explain why they're on the
wrong side). It could drag on for 2 or 3 days, but I think by the end
of the first day Biden will have enough votes counted and not ojbected
to, or objected to and won anyhow, plus those for which no objection is
expected, to have won.
Of course, who knows, the Reps might object to NY and California too. -)
And then there is the tape that came out today. Some pundits are
calling it a clear example of if not extortion election tampering. I'm
sure that's what it was but I don't think it was clear and I don't think
they could get a conviction in any circumstances. But it's still should
be very embarrassing to Republicans who still say he won.
In theory it might lower the number of objectors, but if one or two
change that would be impressive. I think they are dug in and won't
change even two years from now, when 1/4 of them will be defeated
because of this and 3/4's won't be.
>it is congress, there are always procedural things going that are hard
>for the average person to understand. By the close of business on the
>6th, Biden will be the winner and the senators who want to, will have
>it on record that they protested.
>Maybe then Trump will quit.
Arlen Holder
Jan 3, 2021, 9:00:18 PM1/3/21
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