WHILE THE TROLLS ARE RUNNING, HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION
Gil Jesus
building where he worked, bring a 38 inch rifle to work and leave his
revolver in his rented room, a revolver he would have needed to
facilitate his escape ?
cdddraftsman
1) Why are you so stewpid it hurts peoples ears listening to you and
your stewpid questions ?
2) What good is a pistol when the TSBD would be surrounded by cops ?
3) At least LHO was smarter than you knowing his only chance of escape
would be to get out of the building undetected . Officer Baker stopped
him momentarily , gun drawn , had he searched LHO the game would of
been over there and then !
4) Any more stewpid questions >>> privately e-mail your bung buddy
Rossley >>> He has a lot of stewpid answers to silly ass questions .
Hahahhahahahaha !
BOZO !
Hehehehehehehe !
tl
cdddraftsman
> on the planet who asks a question?
>
> Murder is irrational. It stands to reason that someone twisted enough
> to take a few shots at the POTUS is going to have a lot of actions
> surrounding the event that don't add up, seem odd, etc.
>
> Why did Ruby bring his dog down to the Western Union office if he was
> on a secret 'hit' mission for the mob ?
>
> Why did the infamous BTK serial killer in Wichita begin corresponding
> with cops again. If he'd have stayed silent, he wouldn't be in jail
> right now. Irrational.
>
> Why did O.J. murder his wife and Ron Goldman and leave his own
> children without a mother? Irrational.
>
> Why did Scott Peterson murder his pregnant wife and dump her body in
> S.F. Bay on Christmas Eve when he instead should have asked for a
> divorce and simply paid child support? He had a nice job, well to do
> parents, a college education, etc. It would've been a financial hit to
> pay support, but he would have his freedom, and his wife and son would
> be alive and well. Irrational.
>
> There are no perfect, rational answers for irrational acts committed
> by people behaving in an irrational way.
Right on Chuck ! The really irrational people are those who ask
irrational stewpid questions posed as doubts to LHO's guilt !
tl
cdddraftsman
David Von Pein
>>> "Why did Oswald, who was planning to kill the President from the building where he worked, bring a 38-inch rifle to work and leave his revolver in his rented room, a revolver he would have needed to facilitate his escape?" <<<
Obviously Gil is wrong (yet again). Because Oswald didn't need his
revolver to facilitate his escape from the Book Depository. He was
able to get clear of the building without his pistol.
And he no doubt knew that such a thing could likely occur, seeing as
how he worked in the building and could be cleared as just another
employee--which is exactly what did happen.
Whereas, if he'd been caught with a gun on him within minutes of the
President being shot, it might prove a stickier wicket for Ozzie to
negotiate successfully.
IOW, why start shooting people until it becomes mandatory? And it did
become mandatory for LHO (at least from his POV at the time) at
approx. 1:15 over on Tenth Street. To avoid arrest, he obviously felt
he had no choice but to shoot Officer Tippit.
And if he had only been confronted by one single officer in the Texas
Theater, it's very likely the exact same scenario that played out on
Tenth Street would have repeated itself on Jefferson Boulevard in the
theater -- i.e., one more dead Dallas cop.
But, unfortunately for double-killer Oswald, there was more than one
cop in the theater.
Gil Jesus
He didn't take the concealable pistol to work because he was afraid
that it would get him caught.
Instead he took a 38 inch rifle knowing that no one would see him
bring anything in.
Then he went back to his room and got the pistol.
Since you're assuming to know Oswald's thoughts, wouldn't he have been
worried that the pistol would get him caught AFTER he picked it up in
his room ?
eh ?
Gil Jesus
>
> 1) Why are you so stewpid it hurts peoples ears listening to you and
> your stewpid questions ?
> tl
That's brain overload, Jer. You need to take your pills.
aaronhi...@yahoo.com
This is one of the most novel, intelligent, points I have heard in a
long time on the topic of the JFK assassination. It boggles my mind
that I never read this anywhere before. And over a period of 15 or so
years I have read about 40-45 books and articles on the subject.
To the LN way of thinking:
1. If LHO had brought the pistol to work with him, he would have had
a different escape route and Tippitt would not have been shot.
2. Ditto, LHO would not have wound up hiding in the theatre.
To the CT way of thinking.
1. LHO went and got the pistol for protection after JFK was shot.
This sort of proves that LHO knew that something was going to happen,
and was afraid he would be killed/blamed/get into trouble.
Of course the fact that the WC could not find any evidence that LHO
ever purchased any pistol ammunition throws another angle at all
this. Seeing as how the WC pretty much documented every time that LHO
evacuated his bowels, you would think that they would have found the
evidence that he purchased the pistol ammunition.
Aaron Hirshberg
tomnln
"cdddraftsman" <cdddra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hahahhahahahaha !
BOZO !
Hehehehehehehe !
tl
Baker places Oswald in FOUR (4) Different places when spotted.
Baker places himself in FOUR (4) Different positions when spotting Oswald.
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/officer_m.htm
Normal for "Split Personality" like tom lowery.
David Von Pein
>>> "The fact that the WC could not find any evidence that LHO ever purchased any pistol ammunition throws another angle at all this." <<<
The fact the LHO had bullets in his S&W .38 revolver on 11/22/63 is
proof enough.
But to a CTer, every last silly question MUST be answered with 100%
certainty before anything can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
This has been asked before, but it's worthy of a replay here --- Has
there ever been a murder case in history where it's been mandatory to
find out exactly where and how an accused gunman acquired the bullets
he used to kill the victim(s) before a Guilty verdict could be arrived
at?
My best guess is -- Not a chance in Hades.
tomnln
"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> tl
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ONLY lowery sees with his Ears! ! ! !
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Gil Jesus
>Oswald didn't need his
> revolver to facilitate his escape from the Book Depository. He was
> able to get clear of the building without his pistol.
and he would have known that ahead of time, right ?
Gil Jesus
>
> >Oswald didn't need his
> > revolver to facilitate his escape from the Book Depository. He was
> > able to get clear of the building without his pistol.
You have to laugh at Von Pein's flawed reasoning:
Because Oswald didn't end up needing the revolver to escape, he didn't
bring it with him.
Here's another comical one:
WHAT DOES "BACK AND TO THE LEFT" PROVE ? ANYTHING ?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/422b8ff853bebd3e
Probably not to a blind man, or worse yet, one who refuses to see.
My favorite is still, "If Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill J.D. Tippit --
then J.D. Tippit
wasn't killed at all."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5eb98c69529471a2
Classic Von Pinhead. Always good for a laugh.
Gil Jesus
<aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:21�am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Why did Oswald, who was planning to kill the President from the
> > building where he worked, bring a 38 inch rifle to work and leave his
> > revolver in his rented room, a revolver he would have needed to
> > facilitate his escape ?
>
> This is one of the most novel, intelligent, points I have heard in a
> long time on the topic of the JFK assassination. �It boggles my mind
> that I never read this anywhere before. �And over a period of 15 or so
> years I have read about 40-45 books and articles on the subject.
Here's another question alongside the same vein:
Why, if Oswald was mentally unstable and so intent on violence and
killing someone prominent, did he choose to shoot the President from
85 yards away rather than to go down to the street and step off the
sidewalk and shoot him point-blank with his revolver ?
And don't tell me because he didn't want to get caught because a
madman doesn't consider the consequences of his actions when he acts.
All he cares about is killing his target.
Bud
>
> > Why did Oswald, who was planning to kill the President from the
> > building where he worked, bring a 38 inch rifle to work and leave his
> > revolver in his rented room, a revolver he would have needed to
> > facilitate his escape ?
> This is one of the most novel, intelligent, points I have heard in a
> long time on the topic of the JFK assassination. It boggles my mind
> that I never read this anywhere before. And over a period of 15 or so
> years I have read about 40-45 books and articles on the subject.
This issue has been raised numerous times here The problem is that
kooks never approach these things from the proper perspective. You
need to evaluate the situation not from knowledge you have of what
occurred post-assassination, but what Oswald could likely expect to
happen post-assassination. If I were Oswald, I would thinka few dozen
people would point to where I shot from. I would expect an immediate
massive police response. The pistol, if brought in, would not be
useful in his primary objective of assassination, an extremely
unlikely to have aided him in escaping. But, if noticed, it could have
caused his plot to fail. Had the pistol slipped from his pocket when
he got out of Frazier`s car, what happens? Likely Frazier tells Truly
or Shelley, and they alert the police.
> To the LN way of thinking:
> 1. If LHO had brought the pistol to work with him, he would have had
> a different escape route and Tippitt would not have been shot.
> 2. Ditto, LHO would not have wound up hiding in the theatre.
Likely it played out like it did because Oswald did not expect to
make his way clear of the TSBD. It was only when that occurred that he
started to think "what now?". And the "what now" was likely another
attempt at taking Walker`s life. And for that, he needed the pistol.
> To the CT way of thinking.
> 1. LHO went and got the pistol for protection after JFK was shot.
> This sort of proves that LHO knew that something was going to happen,
> and was afraid he would be killed/blamed/get into trouble.
Yah, kill a President and you can get yourself into trouble.
> Of course the fact that the WC could not find any evidence that LHO
> ever purchased any pistol ammunition throws another angle at all
> this. Seeing as how the WC pretty much documented every time that LHO
> evacuated his bowels, you would think that they would have found the
> evidence that he purchased the pistol ammunition.
As usual, kooks focus on irrelevancies. The fact is, he had a
loaded pistol, and five extra shells on him when he was arrested.
> Aaron Hirshberg
David Von Pein
>>> "Classic Von Pinhead. Always good for a laugh." <<<
Not to mention some good ol' garden-variety common sense. ;)
Bud
> On Aug 29, 12:32 pm, "aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com"
>
> <aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 29, 7:21 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why did Oswald, who was planning to kill the President from the
> > > building where he worked, bring a 38 inch rifle to work and leave his
> > > revolver in his rented room, a revolver he would have needed to
> > > facilitate his escape ?
>
> > This is one of the most novel, intelligent, points I have heard in a
> > long time on the topic of the JFK assassination. It boggles my mind
> > that I never read this anywhere before. And over a period of 15 or so
> > years I have read about 40-45 books and articles on the subject.
>
> Here's another question alongside the same vein:
>
> Why, if Oswald was mentally unstable and so intent on violence and
> killing someone prominent, did he choose to shoot the President from
> 85 yards away rather than to go down to the street and step off the
> sidewalk and shoot him point-blank with his revolver ?
That might have worked for Oswald also. The fact is, it wasn`t
that difficult to kill Kennedy, judging from photos. It was only the
lack of attempts that led to him living as long as he did. The only
requirement was a person to hold a firearm in the proper alignment to
cause a bullet fired from it to hit JFK well enough to create a mortal
wound. On 11-22-63, Oswald fulfilled that requirement.
Baldoni
He was travelling lite and did not want to appear as a "gunman". His
plan was to shoot the President don't forget. He would have been mad
as hell if he thought Welles had done it. "Patsy" is too mild a term.
--
Count Baldoni
Harry
Who told YOU that Oswald was planning on killing the President?
Just curious where you get your information.
Don't tell me. Let me guess. *hands over eyes* the Warren Report,
right?
robcap...@netscape.com
<aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:21 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Why did Oswald, who was planning to kill the President from the
> > building where he worked, bring a 38 inch rifle to work and leave his
> > revolver in his rented room, a revolver he would have needed to
> > facilitate his escape ?
>
> This is one of the most novel, intelligent, points I have heard in a
> long time on the topic of the JFK assassination. It boggles my mind
> that I never read this anywhere before. And over a period of 15 or so
> years I have read about 40-45 books and articles on the subject.
It is, and I have asked it as well, and I believe I got the same
"cookie cutter" post from DVP myself. It makes NO SENSE he would not
bring the pistol to work as he had no idea it would take an HOUR AND
FIVE MINUTES FOR THE POLICE TO SEAL IT OFF!
Gil Jesus
wrote:
> On Aug 29, 9:32�am, "aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com"
>
> <aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 29, 7:21�am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why did Oswald, who was planning to kill the President from the
> > > building where he worked, bring a 38 inch rifle to work and leave his
> > > revolver in his rented room, a revolver he would have needed to
> > > facilitate his escape ?
>
> > This is one of the most novel, intelligent, points I have heard in a
> > long time on the topic of the JFK assassination. �It boggles my mind
> > that I never read this anywhere before. �And over a period of 15 or so
> > years I have read about 40-45 books and articles on the subject.
>
> It is, and I have asked it as well, and I believe I got the same
> "cookie cutter" post from DVP myself. �It makes NO SENSE he would not
> bring the pistol to work as he had no idea it would take an HOUR AND
> FIVE MINUTES FOR THE POLICE TO SEAL IT OFF!
Before and since November 22, 1963, handguns were and have been the
weapons of choice of Presidential assassins and would-be assassins.
They allow the killer to conceal the weapon and to get within point-
blank range of his intended target.
Before Kennedy's murder, no American President had been assassinated
at a distance of more than 3 feet.
No American President had been assassinated moving faster than 2.5
miles per hour.
And no American President had been killed by anything other than a
handgun.
It would have made more sense for the lone "nut" Oswald, to stand on
the street with his fellow workers as Kennedy passed by and taken a
quick step out and ...BAM !!!
An unobstructed and clear shot at his target.
Instead, "they" would have us believe that he fired a rifle through a
tree and couldn't hit his target until it was 85 yards away.
Totally preposterous.
Did Hinckley use a rifle ?
Did Squeeky Fromme ?
Arthur Bremer ?
Carl Weiss ?
Sara Jane Moore ?
Booth ?
Guiteau ?
Czolgosz ?
Zangara ?
robcap...@netscape.com
Especially when you see all the times he was in and among crowds in
those two days alone. LHO could have seen his trips on 11/21/63 and
said "this is the way to get him." DVP though thinks LHO was
incapable of getting a bus or a cab to go to Love Field where JFK
walked right up to the crowd. Oh no, Dave couldn't comprehend this,
he'd rather believe he would shoot from a sixth floor window with a
shoddy rifle that had a rusty firing pin and a loose scope, shoot with
severe angles and through a HUGE TREE! Yeah, why make it too easy on
yourself?
> An unobstructed and clear shot at his target.
>
> Instead, "they" would have us believe that he fired a rifle through a
> tree and couldn't hit his target until it was 85 yards away.
>
> Totally preposterous.
>
> Did Hinckley use a rifle ?
>
> Did Squeeky Fromme ?
>
> Arthur Bremer ?
>
> Carl Weiss ?
>
> Sara Jane Moore ?
>
> Booth ?
>
> Guiteau ?
>
> Czolgosz ?
>
> Zangara ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
David Von Pein
Once more, we're treated to the proverbial "WHY DIDN'T HE DO THINGS
THE WAY I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE DONE THEM?" line of defense from a CT-
Kook.
Of course, there's not much else a CTer can argue, seeing as how they
have no physical evidence at all of the conspiracy they imagine took
place. So, these little "Why Didn't He?" speeches must take the place
of real evidence.
A shame the CT warehouse is so empty of ammunition, huh?
But back here in the state of reality.....
Lee Oswald's secreting himself behind a barrier of books he built
himself within the walls of his own workplace in order to carry out
his foul deed on Nov. 22 makes absolutely perfect sense....unless
you're an Anybody-But-Oswald kook, that is.
Baldoni
Well he did not go to the Book Depository with a rifle to shoot Rhino
on the day the President came to town !
--
Count Baldoni
Gil Jesus
> Once more, we're treated to the proverbial "WHY DIDN'T HE DO THINGS
> THE WAY I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE DONE THEM?" line of defense from a CT-
> Kook.
And we're treated to insults in lieu of answers to the question.
More McAdamia nut foolishness.
Gil Jesus
>
> 1) Why are you so stewpid it hurts peoples ears listening to you and
> your stewpid questions ?
>
> tl
The stupid questions should be the easiest ones to answer Jer.
Why can't you answer them, then ?