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EVIDENCE WORTH REVISITING --- OSWALD'S GUILT IN THE MURDER OF J.D. TIPPIT

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David Von Pein

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THE MURDER OF OFFICER TIPPIT......


A double-murderer by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald (alias Alek James
Hidell) shot and killed President John Kennedy and Dallas policeman
J.D. Tippit in the year 1963. The evidence of Oswald's guilt in these
crimes is wide and far-reaching.

But many people refuse to buy into the official version of these
killings as declared by the Warren Commission in late 1964. The
naysayers think that the evidence against Mr. Oswald has been
manipulated to falsely implicate only LHO in these heinous acts of
violence.

With respect to the murder of Officer Tippit specifically, many
conspiracy theorists feel that the 39-year-old Dallas patrolman was
killed by a gunman (not Oswald, naturally) who was using an
"automatic"
weapon, instead of a "revolver". (Oswald was arrested a short distance
from the Tippit crime scene with a .38 revolver on him as he attempted
to use it on officers in the theater itself.)

But the "automatic" vs. "revolver" controversy has been thoroughly
explained many times since 1963, including by one of the Dallas
policemen who was directly involved in this controversy on the day of
the Tippit murder (11/22/63), Gerald L. Hill.

Sergeant Hill had originally put out a broadcast over the DPD police
radio stating that the killer was probably carrying an "automatic"
type
of weapon. But in 1986, Hill tried to clear up the confusion about the
gun with these comments:

"I assumed that it was an automatic simply because we had found all
the
hulls in one little general area. .... If you find a cluster of
shells,
you have to assume that they were fired from an automatic." -- Gerald
Hill quote (Via Dale K. Myers' book, "With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald
And The Murder Of Officer J.D. Tippit"; Pp. 260-261)

Also -- As pointed out in Mr. Myers' first-rate book which probes
every
last nook and cranny of the Tippit murder (and thoroughly verifies
Oswald's guilt in the crime from every angle), the very first
indication that Tippit's killer might have had an automatic weapon
actually came not from a policeman, but from used-car salesman (and
eyewitness) Ted Callaway.

Page 258 of "With Malice":

"All things considered, it appears the initial reference to an
'automatic' weapon stemmed from Callaway's mistaken impression that
the
gunman was pushing a fresh magazine into the handle of an automatic
weapon. The Davis women {witnesses Barbara Davis and Virginia Davis}
had a close-up view of the reality of the situation; the gunman had
both arms up, his right hand shaking shells from an open revolver into
his left {hand}."

Another thing that makes no sense whatsoever (if a person wants to
believe that an automatic gun was used to kill Tippit) is the fact
that the 3rd and 4th bullet shells that were recovered that day (the
ones found by the two Davis ladies) were found in the Davis' SIDE YARD
on Patton Avenue; i.e., in a location where a gunman firing an
automatic at J.D. Tippit couldn't possibly have even SEEN Officer
Tippit (who was located around the corner and many yards up 10th
Street). The Davis apartment building was blocking the view of any
such gunman who would have dropped shells from a gun WHILE FIRING from
that location.*

* = See Page 266 of "With Malice" for a good photographic example of
how silly the "Automatic" theory is when looking at where these two
shells were found. Do CTers think the gunman kicked the automatic
shells into the Davis' side yard?

Or, in a "They Were Planted/Switched By The Police" theory -- why
would the police plant the two shells in the Davis' yard and just
leave them for the Davis women to find? Why wouldn't the crooked cops
pick up the shells themselves after conveniently planting them?

Or, the crooked shell-switching cops could merely SAY they found two
more Oswald shells in the Davis' yard, instead of allowing one or more
non-conspirators (like the two Davis women) to pick them up and do
anything they wanted to with them...even keep them, as is purported in
Myers' book with regard to a possible fifth bullet shell.

It's rumored that the Davis' father-in-law might have, indeed, picked
up a 5th shell in the Davis yard and kept it for a souvenir. That
sounds kind of crazy, I guess. But it would explain some loose ends
quite nicely, including the mis-match of the bullets and shells at the
Tippit scene, and the "5 pistol shots" that Ted Callaway always
adamantly maintained he heard on 11/22/63 from his nearby car lot.

It burns me up greatly when conspiracy kooks have the nerve to imply
that Oswald wasn't even at the Tippit murder scene, when virtually
every single piece of physical and circumstantial evidence surrounding
this particular murder indicates just the opposite.

The "All The Evidence Is Worthless" dodge is nothing but a big cop-
out, plain and simple. If the evidence is really tainted, CTers need
to provide some semblance of solid proof of that sinister allegation.
Tell the world WHO exactly it was who faked the evidence (with a dose
of verifiable proof too, which would be a refreshing change-of-pace).
And tell the world if there was even one person on the planet who
witnessed any "switching" of bullet shells at the murder scene (or
elsewhere).

Alas, nobody can do that, because nothing shady like that occurred at
all, except in a CTer's theory-laden mind. We're about as likely to
get some verifiable proof of a police "cover-up" with respect to the
JFK and J.D. Tippit murders as we are to witness the sun crashing into
the Earth a week from Thursday.

Just having Lee Oswald in the general area of the crime, with a gun,
and acting "funny" and obviously avoiding the police is a good hunk of
circumstantial evidence leading to his guilt right there.

Where does the road of common sense take a reasonable person when JUST
the above after-the-shooting activity of Lee Harvey Oswald is examined
objectively? It sure doesn't lead to total innocence, I'll tell ya
that right now. (Especially when the stuff that went on inside the
movie theater is factored in as well.)

In a nutshell, this murder boils to down the following concrete fact
(based on the overall weight of the evidence that surrounds the
crime)......

If Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill J.D. Tippit -- then J.D. Tippit
wasn't killed at all. Maybe it was all some kind of "Bobby Was In The
Shower" type of dream or something instead.

============================

THE BULLETS AND THE BULLET SHELLS.....

It's quite possible that there was a fifth (missed) shot fired by Lee
Oswald at the Tippit murder scene on Tenth Street in Oak Cliff/Dallas
on 11/22/63 -- with one of the five bullets never being recovered by
anyone (be it the police or anyone else).

Witness Ted Callaway always maintained he heard FIVE shots fired, not
just four. Within Callaway's 1964 Warren Commission testimony, we find
this.....

MR. CALLAWAY -- "I heard what sounded to me like five pistol shots."

MR. BALL -- "Five pistol shots?"

MR. CALLAWAY -- "Five shots; yes, sir."

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/callaway1.htm

~~~~~~~~

Other witnesses also said that the number of shots they heard could
possibly have exceeded four, including Warren Reynolds.....

MR. LIEBELER -- "How many shots did you hear?"

MR. REYNOLDS -- "I really have no idea, to be honest with you. I would
say four or five or six. I just would have no idea. I heard one, and
then I heard a succession of some more."

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/reynolds.htm

~~~~~~~~

To be fair here, there were several witnesses who only heard three
gunshots being fired at Officer Tippit, which we know is wrong, based
on the fact that four bullets were recovered from Tippit's body after
the shooting. So earwitness testimony like this must always be taken
with a large grain of salt.

But in addition to the earwitness accounts of the shooting, it's also
possible that the father-in-law of Tippit witness Barbara Davis might
have picked up a fifth bullet shell from the front or side yard of the
Davis property sometime after the shooting on November 22, 1963.

On Page #272 of Dale Myers' 1998 authoritative book on the Tippit
murder ("With Malice"), the following passage can be found:

"In 1996, eyewitness Barbara J. Davis mentioned that she found a shell
like those she and Virginia {Davis} recovered the day of the {Tippit}
murder among the possessions of her father-in-law, Louis Davis.

'He was staying with Virginia at the time of the shooting,' Barbara
remembered. 'A short time after the murder, he mentioned to my husband
that he had found a shell. But, he never showed it to me and I didn't
pay too much attention, because he was kind of a peddler, a junk man,
you know.'

Virginia Davis confirmed the story, adding that the elder Davis had
found the shell the day of the shooting, but wanted to hang on to it
for a 'keepsake'."

~~~~~~~~

Also -- The pro-conspiracy argument that there must have been more
than one gun involved in J.D. Tippit's murder because multiple types
of ammunition were recovered from Tippit's body is simply a very weak
argument -- because such an argument totally ignores the fact that Lee
Harvey Oswald's gun, when he was arrested, was loaded with BOTH types
of bullets that were dug out of Officer Tippit's body.*

* = And if that little tidbit of info isn't an additional decent-sized
reason to point an accusing finger of guilt at Lee Harvey Oswald with
respect to Tippit's murder, then I don't know what would be. And this
would be apart from the known fact that the four bullet shells that
were found in the Davis' yard were conclusively linked to Oswald's
revolver (a gun that Oswald had ON HIM when arrested inside the Texas
Theater).

Just consider the following four items for a moment and then add them
up (with a dose of common sense sprinkled in as well):

1.) Multiple bullet shells found near the Tippit murder scene were
traced to Oswald's gun (a gun Oswald himself was carrying just 35
minutes after the murder of Officer Tippit).

2.) The slugs pulled from Officer Tippit's body were a COMBINATION of
Winchester-Western bullets and Remington-Peters bullets.

3.) The spent cartridge cases found at the Tippit murder scene were a
COMBINATION of Winchester-Western cartridge cases and Remington-Peters
cartridge cases.

4.) The six unfired bullets found in Lee Harvey Oswald's gun (which he
was carrying and attempting to use on the arresting police officers
when he was apprehended in the theater) were a COMBINATION of
Winchester-Western bullets and Remington-Peters bullets (exactly three
of each type).

~~~~~~~~

I wonder if anyone can provide the odds of the above four things
occurring and yet also having Lee Oswald, somehow, remaining
completely innocent of killing Officer J.D. Tippit?

Do conspiracy believers look upon the "Combination of Winchester and
Remington" bullet evidence as yet another in an amazing series of
"coincidences" that links an innocent "Patsy" named Oswald to J.D.
Tippit's murder?

Or were those plotters who were supposedly framing Oswald so good that
they knew to shoot Tippit with the exact same types of ammunition that
Oswald just happened to have in his gun on the afternoon of 11/22/63?

Plus -- Joseph D. Nicol, who was one of nine ballistics experts to
examine the bullets taken from Tippit's body, said that one of the
four bullets inside Tippit could, indeed, be conclusively linked to
Oswald's gun "to the exclusion".....

MR. EISENBERG -- "Mr. Nicol, I hand you a group of four bullets marked
Commission Exhibits 602, 603, 604, and 605, which I state for the
record were recovered from the body of Officer Tippit, and a group of
two bullets marked Commission Exhibit 606, which I state for the
record were fired by the FBI through the revolver, Commission Exhibit
143."

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0148b.htm

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pages/WH_Vol16_0269a.jpg

MR. EISENBERG -- "Did you examine Exhibits 602 through 605 to
determine whether they have been fired from the same weapon as fired
606?"

MR. NICOL -- "Yes, I did."

MR. EISENBERG -- "What was your conclusion?"

MR. NICOL -- "Due to mutilation, I was not able to determine whether
605, 604, and 602 were fired in the same weapon. There were similarity
of class characteristics--that is to say, there is nothing evident
that would exclude the weapon. However, due to mutilation and apparent
variance between the size of the barrel and the size of the
projectile, the reproduction of individual characteristics was not
good, and therefore I was unable to arrive at a conclusion beyond that
of saying that the few lines that were found would indicate a modest
possibility. But I would not by any means say that I could be
positive. However, on specimen 602--I'm sorry--603, which I have
designated as Q-502, I found sufficient individual characteristics to
lead me to the conclusion that that projectile was fired in the same
weapon that fired the projectiles in 606."

MR. EISENBERG -- "That is to the exclusion of all other weapons?"

MR. NICOL -- "Yes, sir."

MR. EISENBERG -- "By the way, on the cartridge cases, that was also to
the exclusion of all other weapons?"

MR. NICOL -- "Correct."

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/nicol.htm

~~~~~~~~

Another grain of salt is required, however, when talking about Mr.
Nicol's testimony re. the Tippit bullets, since the other eight
experts who looked at the bullets did not agree with Nicol with
respect to his "to the exclusion" conclusion.

But the bullet shells found at 10th & Patton WERE positively tied to
Lee Oswald's .38 revolver beyond any and all doubt (even if CTers want
to disregard the two "Poe" shells). The other two shells have an
undeniably-clear chain of custody, even per most conspiracy theorists,
who love to argue about the legitimacy of the Poe shells.

And the above arguments in favor of Oswald's guilt don't even begin to
touch on some of the VERY BEST evidence in the whole case that says
Oswald is guilty -- that being the multiple witnesses who positively
identified Lee Harvey Oswald as Officer Tippit's lone killer.

When you add that last point into the mix, in addition to the four
ballistics-related points mentioned above, there is simply NO possible
way in this world that Lee Harvey Oswald could be innocent of
murdering Patrolman J.D. Tippit on November the 22nd, 1963. None!

David Von Pein
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David Von Pein

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Aug 25, 2008, 8:17:12 PM8/25/08
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>>> "The cop killer apparently got away..." <<<

No, he didn't. The cop killer was Oswald (quite obviously). And he was
caught just half-an-hour later while trying to plug more cops. And he
is now burning in the fiery pits for all eternity (speaking
metaphorically only, mind you).

So, indeed, justice was certainly served.

>>> "Bugliosi twisted it." <<<

Nobody could possibly twist and distort evidence like you CT-Kooks
manage to do 24/7. It's absolutely sickening. Always has been.

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A TIPPIT "SUMMING UP"...........

ONE killer seen at the murder scene by EVERY witness who SAW THE
ACTUAL SHOOTING (Clemons doesn't qualify in that category and
everybody knows it).

ONE person seen dumping shells near the corner of 10th/Patton.

ONE person seen by Callaway, Guinyard, Patterson, et al, running WITH
GUN IN HAND from the scene of the crime.

OSWALD'S shells on the ground.

OSWALD'S gun that he has on him when arrested linked to those shells.

MULTIPLE witnesses IDing Oswald as that ONE person doing all of the
above things.

And yet CT-Kooks don't think it's likely that Oswald killed Tippit.

Dream on. Maybe some day you'll wake up. But I wouldn't bet the ranch
on it.

David Von Pein
August 23, 2007

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THE TIPPIT MURDER AND THE HILARIOUS DEFENSE OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD:
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