Re: On this warm sunny Sunday in the UK....
Rexx
<hummingb�r...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>...I decided to pay one of my regular visits to an excellent
>website which offers a good range of FREEWARE.
>
>Some of the best available in fact.
>
>And what a darned good site it is too:
>
>- it remains one of the fastest loading websites I've found
>on the Internet.
>- there is an immediate sense of balance in the layout/design.
>- there's no clutter.
>- it is neat and clean with a superb choice of relaxing colours
>- the fonts used are good.
>- FREEWARE categories are laid out right where you want them.
>-it uses excellent mouseovers for additional info.
>
>If you haven't guessed already, I can only be talking about this:
>
>http://bearware.info/
>
>Have a Nice Day :-)
You want to get out a bit more if that is the best thing you do on a
warm sunny day. You're not ill are you?
Brian "Goober" Gwaltney
> Is there something you want to tell us???
Yeah, go to fucking hell.
*REPLONKED*
--
My hero!! http://tr.im/2ghc
John Stubbings
Promoter of PAYWARE on acf [Goebbels] hummingbird wrote:
<snipped TROLL>
You post a deliberate TROLL.
You get the kind of response you expect.
You must be one happy man in your world, hummingbird.
Please, do let us know your thoughts. <wistful look>
--
You gotta fight, for your right, to party...
The best of the best in Freeware
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Registered Linux User #485718
Franklin
> 'Rexx' wrote thus:
> No I'm not but you may be...
>
> Here's another of your sockpuppets:
>
> From: Fortean Bubble <f...@ftimes.com>
>
> Mr Sock, the only interesting thing about your posts is that they
> come through < X-Complaints-To: ab...@datemas.de > which is
> also regularly used on ACF to post forgeries, notably those in the
> posting name of Me.Here. hhmmm.
>
> Is there something you want to tell us???
>
Hummingbird (Chris),
There is indeed something I'd like to tell you. I posted the following
info to another thread earlier today but as you have asked so nicely,
I'll repeat it here for your convenience.
best wishes
Franklin
----------------------------
From Message-ID: <news:Xns9C00932...@127.0.0.1>
Hummingbird/Chris seems to have forgotten how he left proof that in
the past that he has firged Lew's posts. John Corliss noticed that
Chris had given himself away by Chris's own unique Aioe user ID in the
headers. John Corliss posted:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/7061ee6fb8562d67
Here is Hummingbird's original forgery which he pretends is from Lew:
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/b3506d3f
49a240ff?dmode=source> OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/5jgnyn
Notice the Aioe unique user ID in the NNTP-Posting-Host header of that
post. It says: "4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org". The owner of
that unique Aioe user sig is traceable to Hummingbird from the
following posts:
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/1262f97963
732c55?dmode=source> OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/cnqmgk
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/5e92b376b9
0fa54a?dmode=source> OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dk8mea
---------
There are many more forged similar posts from Hummingbird with his
Aioe sig, including some he pretends are from me. The Mystic Meg post
is only one example :
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/89283e027ccbed9b
In that same thread which Chris Hummingbird started with his Mystic
Meg post, he accuses other posters of actually being Mystic Meg!
"Robb, you'll need to ask Ron May, since he posted
the original I believe, and then immediately responded
to it with a change of Subject: to divert attention away
from his guilt. He's cunning like that.
The other possibilities are Franklin and iNcReDuLoUs.
They all do these things regularly but give themselves
away. 'Criminals returning to the scene of the crime',
as they say. They can't resist it."
See http://preview.tinyurl.com/d9y6xq
That quotation shows the slyness with which Hummingbird likes to
operate. How can anyone believe anything he says when he gets up to
tricks like that?
Kyle
> Hummingbird (Chris),
>
> There is indeed something I'd like to tell you. I posted the following
> info to another thread earlier today but as you have asked so nicely,
> I'll repeat it here for your convenience.
>
Your first attempt didn't get as much feedback as you hoped it would,
and so you post it again thinking it will this time?
You're about as pathetic as Ron May is, thinking he can killfile me.
In his ordo est ordinem non servare.
In your face, Ron May.
--
"The method used and the time element involved is of no essence."
Ron May
> Franklin wrote:
>
> > Hummingbird (Chris),
> >
> > There is indeed something I'd like to tell you. I posted the following
> > info to another thread earlier today but as you have asked so nicely,
> > I'll repeat it here for your convenience.
> >
>
> Your first attempt didn't get as much feedback as you hoped it would,
> and so you post it again thinking it will this time?
>
> You're about as pathetic as Ron May is, thinking he can killfile me.
>
> In his ordo est ordinem non servare.
>
> In your face, Ron May.
This will be my only direct response to you, then the rest of your
posts will be history.
Do you want to lose your Motzarella account like you lost your
Giganews account. I can arrange that too, and just as easily if you
keep pulling the same shit. Ray Banana has little tolerance for your
kind of tactics.
In the meantime, with "Find Global" all I have to do is find one or
more unique elements, alone or in combination, and you're history in a
couple of clicks.
Now here's your conundrum in a response. You want DESPERATELY to say
to me that you can't be killfiled, that you're immune from it, but as
soon as you make a statement to that effect AFTER HAVING BEEN WARNED
that that is your intent, I guarantee you I'll have your Motzarella
account cancelled the same way I had your Giganews account cancelled.
(And to others I say, the more LARTs sent, the better.)
Your move, creep.
--
Ron M. (I filter Googlespam)
Known sock puppets and forged messages are deleted unread.
alt.comp.freeware information pages:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Index.php
Drafted19...@fatchance.com
wrote:
I forgot that the Detective BlubberingBird forged posts attributed to
me.
Guess all that holier than thou crap he preaches is just a cover for
his Sockpuppetness..:)
Isnt a bit hypocritical for him to be using this NG to promote
BearButts Cult and website?
We need a thread to vote on the big question, Should BearButt and his
Cult move to a different NG?
Lew
Ron May
wrote:
> We need a thread to vote on the big question, Should BearButt and his
> Cult move to a different NG?
Why bother? If you throw out the sock puppets, there'd only be three
"NO" votes! <g> The reason that NONE of that trio will put ANY issue
to a vote in this NG is that they know they'd lose big time. The last
time an issue of theirs was put to a vote (the name of the ACF
Glossary) they lost by a lopsided 37 to 6 count:
Message-ID: fokjt3pk1b9vn7lj8...@4ax.com
The trio of BB, HB and MH has demonstrated a clear unwillingness to
work on consensus building. None of the fruits of their labors is the
result of any open process involving ACF contributors as a whole, but
they are rather fraudulently crafted to APPEAR that some consensus was
involved when clearly it was not. They have no integrity or
credibility when cooperative effort is involved.
Nathan
> Ron May,
>
> You failed to get my NIN account cancelled a few months ago
> despite desperate attempts.
> NIN understand that, on occasions, people have to respond to
> your malicious slime using a sock to get around your cowardly
> killfiles, where you hide. It's about 'natural justice' and stuff.
>
> Your assertion that you can get other people's posting accounts
> cancelled *at will* is typical of your pompous arrogance, which
> is what earned you mention in the ACF <zero_tolerance> policy:
>
Ron May is so full of shit.
I'm posting from the same Giganews account I've had for years.
He's not going to stop me. He's only going to make his life more
and more difficult.
If he doesn't want to read my posts, the easy way to achieve that is
to obey the four rules I've made:
1. Don't read any post, unless you're familiar with the sender,
responding to Franklin J. Camper (alias "Ari", etc.)
2. Don't read any post, unless you're familiar with the sender,
responding to Franklin.
3. Don't read any post, unless you're familiar with the sender,
responding to John Stubbings.
4. Don't read any post, unless you're familiar with the sender,
responding to a direct (or indirect) reference to me.
Or, if he chooses, he can do it the hard way.
And, after careful consideration, I prefer he did it the hard way.
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
Up your ass, Ron May.
--
"The course of action, and the duration necessary is of no consequence."
Drafted19...@detectiveblubberingbird.com
<hummingb�r...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>'Franklin' wrote thus:
> -snip Franklin's fantasies about me sockpuppeting posts
> by the neo-nazi socialist Lew/Slash-
>
>
>Franklin,
>since you like to post your slimy lies at least twice, here's some
>truth that I posted to iNcReDuLoUs in response to your x-posted
>thread from uk.p.m/uk.l:
>
>
So BlubberingLiarBird is denying that he posted as me?
LOL
At last be a man and admit when you get caught. I know it was a long
time ago but surely you remember posting as me.
Lew
Drafted19...@detectiveblubberingbird.com
wrote:
>On Sun, 03 May 2009 11:27:31 -0700, Drafted19...@fatchance.com
>wrote:
>
>> We need a thread to vote on the big question, Should BearButt and his
>> Cult move to a different NG?
>
>Why bother? If you throw out the sock puppets, there'd only be three
>"NO" votes! <g> The reason that NONE of that trio will put ANY issue
>to a vote in this NG is that they know they'd lose big time. The last
>time an issue of theirs was put to a vote (the name of the ACF
>Glossary) they lost by a lopsided 37 to 6 count:
>
>Message-ID: fokjt3pk1b9vn7lj8...@4ax.com
>
>The trio of BB, HB and MH has demonstrated a clear unwillingness to
>work on consensus building. None of the fruits of their labors is the
>result of any open process involving ACF contributors as a whole, but
>they are rather fraudulently crafted to APPEAR that some consensus was
>involved when clearly it was not. They have no integrity or
>credibility when cooperative effort is involved.
Of course I am being somewhat facetious... :)
But we should use make a full court press against this small cult of
delusional wackjobs.
Use the word Cult in every post that we write in response to their
wingnuttiness.
Also promote the idea that they get their own NG where they can
promote their delusions to the small gathering of brown noses that are
inspired by them.
Lew
Franklin
<news:gtl0ap...@aracari.127.0.0.1>:
> 'Nathan' wrote thus:
>
>>hummingbird wrote:
>>
>>> Ron May,
>>>
>>> You failed to get my NIN account cancelled a few months ago
>>> despite desperate attempts.
>>> NIN understand that, on occasions, people have to respond to
>>> your malicious slime using a sock to get around your cowardly
>>> killfiles, where you hide. It's about 'natural justice' and stuff.
>>>
>>> Your assertion that you can get other people's posting accounts
>>> cancelled *at will* is typical of your pompous arrogance, which
>>> is what earned you mention in the ACF <zero_tolerance> policy:
>>>
>>
>>Ron May is so full of shit.
>
> Exactly so!
>
>>I'm posting from the same Giganews account I've had for years.
>
> Brilliant :-)
>
>>He's not going to stop me. He's only going to make his life more
>>and more difficult.
>>
>>If he doesn't want to read my posts, the easy way to achieve that is
>>to obey the four rules I've made:
>>
>>1. Don't read any post, unless you're familiar with the sender,
>>responding to Franklin J. Camper (alias "Ari", etc.)
>>
>>2. Don't read any post, unless you're familiar with the sender,
>>responding to Franklin.
>>
>>3. Don't read any post, unless you're familiar with the sender,
>>responding to John Stubbings.
>>
>>4. Don't read any post, unless you're familiar with the sender,
>>responding to a direct (or indirect) reference to me.
>>
>>Or, if he chooses, he can do it the hard way.
>>
>>And, after careful consideration, I prefer he did it the hard way.
>>
>>Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
>>
>>Up your ass, Ron May.
>
> Excellent ;)
>
Hummingbird
What if someone like Ron May chooses to approach your ISP instead?
ISPs are far more likely to take swift action than Usenet service
providers and your ISP, Plusnet, seems very approachable:
http://www.plus.net/support/security/abuse/reporting_abuse.shtml
Customer Support: phone +44 (0)114 296 5198
In fact Plusnet will have seen many of your sockpuppets pass through
their network and I suspect they may not a very kindly view of what you
are up to.
best wishes
Franklin
Ron May
Drafted19...@DetectiveBlubberingBird.com wrote:
> Of course I am being somewhat facetious... :)
> But we should use make a full court press against this small cult of
> delusional wackjobs.
> Use the word Cult in every post that we write in response to their
> wingnuttiness.
> Also promote the idea that they get their own NG where they can
> promote their delusions to the small gathering of brown noses that are
> inspired by them.
> Lew
While I certainly like your style, Lew, I think the most effective
strategy is:
(1) To the maximum extent possible, don't respond to any of them
DIRECTLY. It's what they crave, because if they can entice a poster
with some group credibility to debate their rants on a point by point
basis, it has the effect of saying their outrageous claims are WORTHY
of debate when they're clearly not.
(2) To make (1) easier, just killfile BB, HB and MH. It's somewhat
more laborious to do that with all the sock puppets of the latter two,
but even there, a fair degree of predictability is involved that makes
at least semi-automatic flushing of the crap relatively easy to do.
(3) While there's some validity to the argument that newbie posters
need to be alerted to the kookery and flawed advice, I maintain that
can be done WITHOUT reading the trio's original posts. You can
respond INDIRECTLY when one of their posts are quoted by the newbie or
someone else.
(4) Killfiling means of course that you don't see THEIR replies to
YOUR messages unless someone else quotes them, but who really cares?
I'm not the least bit interested in what any of them cares to say
about me. I'll stack my reputation against theirs any day. I trust
those ACF contributors whose opinions I value to make up their own
minds. If respected participants have issues with what I say or do,
I'll gladly address it with them, and when it's my bad, I'll accept it
as I have on many occasions. You won't see any of the three admit to
being wrong because they HAVE TO blame others for their bad behavior.
One honest admission that, all along, THEY are and have been
ultimately responsible for their OWN actions (as I freely accept
responsibility for mine) and their whole crusade over the last couple
of years collapses under its own weight.
(5) Working against the trio is a sort of "misery loves company"
factor in that (for fear of complete isolation) they are forced to
condone and approve each other's individual outrageous kookery, either
directly or indirectly. By that I mean that you'll never see HB admit
that Rising AV is crap, even though (to give the devil his due) HB
does understand how to rate decent software, and BB will never condemn
the outrageous sock puppetry that takes place, because, even though he
would not engage in sock puppetry himself, he knows, either directly
or instinctively, who the guilty parties are despite their non-denial
denials. They can't afford to alienate one another, and thus share
responsibility for actions they would not personally approve of under
a different set of circumstances.
Just some food for thought. Why create the appearance that they're
more important than they really are.
Craig
> On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:14:18 -0700,
> Drafted19...@DetectiveBlubberingBird.com wrote:
>
>> Of course I am being somewhat facetious... :)
>> But we should use make a full court press against this small cult of
>> delusional wackjobs.
>> Lew
>
> While I certainly like your style, Lew, I think the most effective
> strategy is:
>
> (1) To the maximum extent possible, don't respond to any of them
>
> (2) To make (1) easier, just killfile BB, HB and MH....
>
> (3) While there's some validity to the argument that newbie posters
> need to be alerted to the kookery and flawed advice, I maintain that
> can be done WITHOUT reading the trio's original posts. You can
> respond INDIRECTLY when one of their posts are quoted by the newbie or
> someone else.
>
> (4) Killfiling means of course that you don't see THEIR replies to
>
> (5) Working against the trio is a sort of "misery loves company"
>
> Just some food for thought. Why create the appearance that they're
> more important than they really are.
>
Thanks Ron. I appreciate you taking the time to map this out. It looks
beneficial for the ng.
-Craig
Drafted19...@blubberingbirddetectiveagency.com
wrote:
>
>Just some food for thought. Why create the appearance that they're
>more important than they really are.
>
>
Ron I snipped your post. It was right on the money as I/we all know.
I was thinking back to when this all started with BearB Doll. Before
he came the group was just a typical NG. The occasional idiot appeared
and went.He came in the group and within a week or so went ballistic
with his cult delusion and paranoia. It hasn't been the same since.
His intent is to be Emperor of the group.
I responded as I felt he was attacking innocent women and children:)
His lover SherlockBird has been running some kind of deluded
interference for him since.
Its clear that some of us (ME) do this as it is fun to ridicule BearB
Doll and his minions in his CULT (3 or 4 misguided souls).
But you are correct about killfile use.
I haven't paid attention so can you please list the current
sockpuppets that DetectiveBirdBrain uses? Or any others you deem
appropriate and Ill killfile them for now.. I cant keep promises as to
how long I can keep it up:)
I don't use puppets and the only good thing I have to say about BearB
Doll is that he doesn't either. Although he did say he uses his wife
to post in his name sometimes.. :)
Lew
Ron May
Drafted19...@DetectiveBlubberingBird.com wrote:
> So BlubberingLiarBird is denying that he posted as me?
> LOL
> At last be a man and admit when you get caught. I know it was a long
> time ago but surely you remember posting as me.
> Lew
I think it's more of a "non-denial denial" in that the usual response
is more along the lines of "you can't prove it" or is couched in
language that's very carefully parsed to avoid being trapped in an
outright lie.
That's not the response of an innocent party, as anyone who is
familiar with interviewing unwilling subjects already knows (including
parents trying to teach children to accept responsibility fot their
actions).
If someone were to accuse me of sock puppetry, for instance, I could
truthfully reply "In the past five years, I've never posted a message
to this group or Usenet under a different nym than the one in this
message" or in a broader sense "In my entire online history, which
includes BBS, I've never posted under a different nym than the one I
initially established with a particular group." Both statements are
true, by the way, and I wouldn't shy away from direct answers to
follow up questions from any legitimate ACF participant whose post I
see. (I don't read every message in every thread, but I do read all
replies to my messages from non-sockpuppet and non-killfiled posters.)
(And just FWIW, I don't consider occasional minor changes to nyms that
AREN'T intended to cloak a poster's real identity to be sock puppetry,
despite HB's futile attempt to draw a "moral equivalency" on your
updated persona. "Lew" after all remains "Lew".)
Bear Bottoms
news:qu8sv45vlse4mm9sj...@4ax.com:
> I don't use puppets and the only good thing I have to say about BearB
> Doll is that he doesn't either. Although he did say he uses his wife
> to post in his name sometimes.. :)
>
You forgot my dogs and parrot!
--
Bear Bottoms-Freeware Researcher Extraordinaire
Freeware website: http://bearware.info
Reginald Peters
I'm glad to see you know you can't beat me, and so you're admitting
defeat. It's like I told you earlier: I like playing games with losers.
Because I know I'll always win, and I'll never lose.
The same principle applies here. I know you'll keep trying to killfile
me, and I know you never will be successful. There's just too many
unknown factors involved here for you to keep up with them all.
Your best bet is to follow my four simple rules, and ignore replies
to Franklin J. Camper, to Franklin, to Stubbings, and to myself.
You can't go wrong with that simple plan.
More food for thought.
n...@here.com
wrote:
out
>>
>> (4) Killfiling means of course that you don't see THEIR replies to
>> YOUR messages unless someone else quotes them, but who really cares? ...
For those using Agent, they can use Global Filtering, which means you
download new headers and retrieve all bodies without reading them, and
then apply the Global filtering. It will read all headers and the
message body. This will catch them and delete them before you read
any message. Even replies to their posts will be caught.
Ron May
wrote:
> On 05/03/2009 02:40 PM, Ron May wrote:
Thank you, Craig. I just think the less attention they get from the
rest of us, the better. We reward them when we respond as though
their "complaints" deserve a response or rebuttal. They really don't.
Franklin
<news:afurv4h48hiiu1is5...@4ax.com>:
That's right. Let's keep on topic. The topic is Hummingbird's
forgeries.
Not some fake bluster about my domain name nor some sudden appearance
of Hummingbird's "BIG LIE" screeds.
Hummingbird was recently telling Q how he had only ever posted under a
different name 2 or 3 times and that was only to get his message past
a killfile. Not so.
The evidence disagrees with your statement, Hummingbird. You are a
proven forger and proven liar.
Franklin
<news:qu8sv45vlse4mm9sj...@4ax.com>:
> On Sun, 03 May 2009 16:40:36 -0500, Ron May <may...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> [...]
>
> Ron I snipped your post. It was right on the money as I/we all know.
> I was thinking back to when this all started with BearB Doll. Before
> he came the group was just a typical NG. The occasional idiot
> appeared and went.He came in the group and within a week or so went
> ballistic with his cult delusion and paranoia. It hasn't been the
> same since. His intent is to be Emperor of the group. I responded as
> I felt he was attacking innocent women and children:) His lover
> SherlockBird has been running some kind of deluded interference for
> him since.
>
> Its clear that some of us (ME) do this as it is fun to ridicule
> BearB Doll and his minions in his CULT (3 or 4 misguided souls).
>
> But you are correct about killfile use. I haven't paid attention so
> can you please list the current sockpuppets that DetectiveBirdBrain
> uses? Or any others you deem appropriate and Ill killfile them for
> now.. I cant keep promises as to how long I can keep it up:) I don't
> use puppets and the only good thing I have to say about BearB Doll
> is that he doesn't either. Although he did say he uses his wife to
> post in his name sometimes.. :)
>
> Lew
If you go back in the history of all this, you will see that before
coming to ACF Mr Bottoms had spent a few weeks posting to one of the
security or virus groups. I forget which.
There he quite literally stunned many regular poster by his mixture of
naivety and arrogance. He was instantly met with such an huge wall of
hostile posts that he decided to leave. Unfortunately he came to ACF.
I think it's probably worth spending a few minutes on digging out this
history in Google Groups in order to see the amazing details.
Franklin
<news:gtkt4d...@aracari.127.0.0.1>:
> 'Ron May' wrote thus:
>
>>On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:24:02 -0500, Kyle <ky...@thuring.gorg> wrote:
>
>>> Your first attempt didn't get as much feedback as you hoped it
>>> would, and so you post it again thinking it will this time?
>>>
>>> You're about as pathetic as Ron May is, thinking he can killfile
>>> me.
>>>
>>> In his ordo est ordinem non servare.
>>>
>>> In your face, Ron May.
>
>
>>This will be my only direct response to you, then the rest of your
>>posts will be history.
>>
>>Do you want to lose your Motzarella account like you lost your
>>Giganews account. I can arrange that too, and just as easily if you
>>keep pulling the same shit. Ray Banana has little tolerance for
>>your kind of tactics.
>
>
> Ron May,
>
> You failed to get my NIN account cancelled a few months ago despite
> desperate attempts. NIN understand that, on occasions, people have
> to respond to your malicious slime using a sock to get around your
> cowardly killfiles, where you hide.
Hummingbird, you don't ever have that problem of "hiding" behind your
killfiles. That's because you read your killfile posts before any
others.
ROFL!!
No self-discipline.
hummingbird
wrote thus:
>On 3 May 2009 17:04, hummingbird wrote in alt.comp.freeware
>
>> 'Rexx' wrote thus:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 May 2009 15:41:42 +0100, hummingbird
>>><hummingb�r...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>
>>>>...I decided to pay one of my regular visits to an excellent
>>>>website which offers a good range of FREEWARE.
>>>>
>>>>Some of the best available in fact.
>>>>
>>>>And what a darned good site it is too:
>>>>
>>>>- it remains one of the fastest loading websites I've found
>>>>on the Internet.
>>>>- there is an immediate sense of balance in the layout/design.
>>>>- there's no clutter.
>>>>- it is neat and clean with a superb choice of relaxing colours
>>>>- the fonts used are good.
>>>>- FREEWARE categories are laid out right where you want them.
>>>>-it uses excellent mouseovers for additional info.
>>>>
>>>>If you haven't guessed already, I can only be talking about this:
>>>>
>>>>http://bearware.info/
>>>>
>>>>Have a Nice Day :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>You want to get out a bit more if that is the best thing you do on a
>>>warm sunny day. You're not ill are you?
>>
>> No I'm not but you may be...
>>
>> Here's another of your sockpuppets:
>>
>> From: Fortean Bubble <f...@ftimes.com>
>>
>> Mr Sock, the only interesting thing about your posts is that they
>> come through < X-Complaints-To: ab...@datemas.de > which is
>> also regularly used on ACF to post forgeries, notably those in the
>> posting name of Me.Here. hhmmm.
>>
>> Is there something you want to tell us???
>Hummingbird (Chris),
>
>There is indeed something I'd like to tell you.
[]
Franklin,
Thankyou for confirming that you are in fact the sockpuppet
posting under the names:
<Rexx <dou...@triple.doom> and <Fortean Bubble <f...@ftimes.com>
Naturally, I had my suspicions some while ago on uk.p.m. when
you first appeared and also turned up on ACF.
Interestingly, you post in these names through:
< X-Complaints-To: ab...@datemas.de > which probably means
you are responsible for some other socks thru that newsserver.
hhmmm. How about those in the name of Me.Here?
Anyway, you have now given me the opportunity to post the current
up-to-date list of your other known sockpuppets and forgeries.
There are obviously many others not picked up, including some of
the 150 posts last Aug/Sep in which you asked me to change my
posting name so that you could use it!
This list is always available for people to look at here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/55ajrs Here it is posted:
-------------------------------------------------------
Franklin on <alt.comp.freeware> is a psychopath and foreign
sympathiser of the British National Party (BNP) Neo-Nazi/fascists.
Here's a small sample of posts by him stating "The BNP Have The
Right Policies" all posted under the name 'hummingbird' on UKPM:
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.politics.misc/msg/1b6444bc6e3d76fa?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.politics.misc/msg/6558c3acb4a7295a?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.politics.misc/msg/ff98f05d56d27e0b?dmode=source
He also posted this very revealing statement about himself
recently after being exposed for forging:
"...when I am in character as "Hummingbird"
I say ... I do not know what you are talking about or who
Franklin is and I have never posted using any name other
than my real one and I was christened Hummingbird at birth"
...Franklin on <alt.comp.freeware>, <uk.politics.misc> 28-Dec-2008
Message-ID: <Xns9B83DD1...@204.153.245.22>
....................
Also:
"I do not post with deliberate and misleading errors"
Franklin, <alt.comp.freeware>, 23-Nov-2007
BUT ...here's an (in)complete list of Franklin's SOCKPUPPETS and
FORGED names used on ALT.COMP.FREEWARE since July 2007.
W/E/F December 2008, he has now started posting on newsgroups
using typo-forgeries of other peoples' names used on ACF, as the
list shows. EG: <uk.legal> <uk.politics.misc>
<alt.free.newsservers> <news.software.readers>
Since many people filter on complete <From:> fields, every one
of his socks/forgeries is easily able to by-pass their filters.
-newsgroup key-
A.C.F. = <alt.comp.freeware>
N.S.R. = <news.software.readers>
A.F.N. = <alt.free.newsservers>
UK.P.M. = <uk.politics.misc>
UK.L. = <uk.legal>
-May/2009-:
Franklin <dev...@devnix.invalid>
"Franklin - reference 9" <refer...@franklin.com>
-Apr/2009-:
>"Hummingbird (Franklin)" <dev...@devnix.invalid> (UK.L + UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>"hummingbird (Franklin)" <whiteha...@hummingbind.plusnet.com> (UK.L + UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>"franklin - reference 8" <refe...@devnull.invalid>
>agent Franklin <dev...@devnull.invalid>
>"hummingbird +" <whiteha...@hummingbind.plusnet.com> (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>"Franklin ~ reference" <dev...@dev.nul.invalid>
-Mar/2009-:
>Franklin <dev....@null.invalid>
>Franklin <dev-...@dev-null.invalid>
>"hummingbird (Franklin)" <whiteha...@REMOVEtoucano.plus.com> (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>Franklin <whiteha...@hummingbind.plus.com> (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>"hummingbird (Franklin)" <whiteha...@hummingbird.plus.com> (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>hummingbird <whiteha...@REMOVEtoucano.plus.com> (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>default <no...@nowhere.com>
>hummingbird <whiteha...@toucano.REMOVEplus.THIScom> (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
-Jan/2009-:
>"Franklin (great posts)" <see_my_REPL...@void.invalid>
>hummingbird F <whiteh...@REMOVETHIStoucano.plus.com> (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
-Dec/2008-:
>hummingbird F <whiteh...@REMOVETHIStoucano.plus.com> (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>hummingbird <whiteh...@REMOVETHIStoucano.plus.com> (UK.P.M)
>(�`�.�Chris Millbank�.���) <chrismillb...@gmail.com> (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>"Franklin - reference 7" <see_my_REPL...@void.invalid>
>"Franklin (ACF) Hummingbird (UPM)" <vo...@null.invalid>
>"off-topic bombaster (BB)" <not_fr...@mail.invalid> (A.C.F.)
>hummingbird <hummi...@BNP.com> (N.S.R.)
>hummingbird <hummi...@whitehall.1212> (UK.P.M)
>Bear Bottoms <thebear...@gmail.com> (A.F.N.)
>Chris Millbank <chrismillb...@gmail.com>
>Hummingbird <hummi...@BNP.com> (A.F.N. + N.S.R.)
>Bear Bottoms <bears...@gmail.com> (A.F.N.)
>"Chris Millbank (Hummingbird)" <chris.m...@BNP.com> (N.S.R. + A.F.N.)
>"Franklin - refrerence 8" <see_my_REPL...@void.invalid>
>"Franklin - reference 5" <see_my_REP...@null.invalid>
>"Franklin - reference 6" <see_my_REP...@null.invalid>
>"Franklin - reference 2" <see_my_REP...@null.invalid>
>"Franklin - reference 1" <see_my_REP...@null.invalid>
>"Franklin - reference 4" <see_my_REP...@null.invalid>
>"Franklin - reference 3" <see_my_REP...@null.invalid>
>hummingbird announcment <hummi...@announcment.com>
>Franklin <see_my_REP...@null.invalid>
>hummingbird <hummi...@127.0.0.1> (100% forgery used on UK.P.M.)
-Nov/2008-:
>Franklin <see_REPLY...@time.com>
-Sep/2008-:
>"Franklin (reference)" <see_re...@home.com>
>Franklin <"Franklin <never.c"@red.about.it>>
>Franklin <see_re...@home.com>
>aracari <ara...@127.0.0.1>
>aracari <ara...@1.0.0.127>
>Me hummingbird Here <hummin...@127.0.0.1>
-Aug/2008-:
(some of these used multiple times)
>the real hummingbirds <hummin...@vostok.127.0.0.1>
>the real hummingbirds <hummin...@127.0.0.1>
>Ron May <may...@hotmail.com>
>Franklin <nev...@red.about.it>
>Franklin <QueenO...@home.in.bed.com>
>hummingbird <hummi...@127.0.0.1>
>hummingbird <hummingb...@127.0.0.1>
>"Bore Bottoms" <bearbo...@gmail.com>
>Humming.bird <Hummin...@1.0.0.127>
>hummingbirds <hummin...@127.0.0.1>
>hummingbird too <humming...@127.0.0.1>
>hummingbind <hummi...@host127.0.0.1>
>humming.bird <hummin...@host127.0.0.1>
>hummingbind <hummi...@127.0.0.1>
>Bare Buttocks <barebu...@gmail.com>
>hummingbird's friend <hummi...@127.0.0.1>
>Borked Pseudo Mailed <nob...@pseudo.borked.net>
>hummingbird's friend <hummin...@127.0.0.1>
>hummingbird <hummin...@1.2.7.001>
>hummingbird's friend <but.i.am...@127.0.0.1>
>hummingbird <hummi...@host.127.0.0.0.1>
>Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anon...@remailer.cyberiade.it>
>"ACF's new manager (humm.bird)" <humm.in...@new.ACF.0.0.7>
>"humming-LIAR hunter" <hunter-of-h...@127.0.0.1>
-Jul/2008-:
>Franklinnnn <nev...@tched.it>
>Franklin <nev...@tched.it>
>"New Hummingbird (aka Franklin)" <itsFr...@large.com>
>Mystic Franklin <nev...@sted.it>
>Mr Frankly Bottoms <Franklin.say...@cant.read.com>
>Barely Franklin <nev...@sted.it>
>Hummingbird archive <nev...@sted.it>
>hummingbird <hummi...@127.0.0.1>
>Hummingbird <hummi...@127.0.0.1>
-Jun/2008-:
>Chris S <def...@default.invalid>
>Franklin <hummi...@aracari.com>
>Franklin <nev...@w.sight.of.it>
>Franklin <nev...@sted.it>
>Chris <franklin....@nowhere.invalid>
>Franklin <nev...@d.sight.of.it>
>Franklin <neve...@rd.sound.of.it>
>Franklins beat Hummingbirds <nev...@sted.it>
-May/2008-:
>Franklin <eve...@rd.of.it>
-Apr/2008-:
>Franklin <no-...@email.is.invalid>
>Franklin <neve...@rd.of.it>
>Franklin <no-...@email.invalid>
-Mar/2008-:
>Franklin <no-...@nntp.invalid>
>Bare Bosoms <Bare.Bos...@gmail.com>
>Franklin <no_...@www.invalid>
>Nomen Nescio <nomen....@nomen.nescio>
>Franklin <no-...@http.invalid>
>Franklin <us...@www.invalid>
>Franklin-to-Hummingbird <no-...@public.invalid>
-Feb/2008-:
>Franklin <no_...@www.invalid>
-Jan/2008-:
>Franklin <th...@mail.is.invalid>
>Franklin-post7
>Franklin <no....@www.invalid>
>Franklin <nom...@invalid.com>
-Dec/2007-:
>Franklin <fran...@nomail.invalid>
>cc to Hummy <frankl...@no.mail.invalid>
>Franklin <fran...@nomail.invalid.com>
>"Franklin (ACF)" <fran...@nomail.invalid>
>Frank to Humbug <fr...@mail.invalid>
>"carbon copy -> Chris" <frankl...@no.mail.invalid>
>carbon copy to Humbug <frankl...@no.mail.invalid>
>"Frank (inc Humbug)" <fran...@nomail.invalid>
>cc T0 Hummingberk <frankl...@no.mail.invalid>
>Poppinjay <no...@nowhere.invalid> (unconfirmed)
>FrankIin writes <fran...@nomail.invalid>
>4Hummingbird
>The Angel of Evil <frankl...@no.mail.invalid>
>Franklin-post1
>Franklin-post2
>Franklin-post3
>Franklin-post4
>Franklin-post5
>Franklin-post6
>Humming brain <frankl...@no.mail.invalid>
>Franklin 2 Hummingbird <fran...@nomail.invalid>
>Franklin <frankl...@no.mail.invalid>
-Oct/2007-:
>The Angel of Evil
-July 2007-:
>Franklin .
>Franklin.
>Frankli n
>To Laurie
>Franklin to hummingbird
>coco
>Franklin ZORG
><frank...@no.mail.please>
><frank...@no.mail>
[each of the above used one of the e-mail addies]
>Franklin Smith <frank...@no.spam.please>
>Franklin Smith <frank...@no.no.to.spam.please>
>Franklin Smith <frank...@no.spam.please>
>Franklin Smith <fran....@no.spam.please>
[note the extra space added]
>Franklin Smith <frank...@nope.to.spam.please>
>Franklin Smith <frank...@no.spam.please>
>Franklin Srnith <frnk...@no.spam.please>
[note letters rn used to look like m]
>Franklin Smith <frank...@onspam.please>
>Franklin Smith <fran...@no.spam.please>
>Franklin Smith <frank...@no.sparm.please>
>Franklin Smith <frahk...@no.spam.please>
>Franklin Smith <frank...@smith.spam.please>
>Franklin Srnith <frank...@no.to.all.spam.please>
[note letters rn used to look like m]
>Franklin Smith <ffrraan...@no.spam.please>
>Franklin Smith <frank...@no.spam.please>
>Franklin S <frank....@his.PC.invalid>
>Franklin Smith <frann...@no.to.spam.please>
>Franklin <frank....@no.spam.please>
>Franklin Smith <frank.sa...@no.spam.please>
>Franklin Smith <frank....@no.place>
>Franklin Smith <frank...@only.spam.is.killed>
>Franklin likes freeware <frank...@no.mail.please>
>Franklin <frankl...@no.mail.please>
>Franklin <frankl...@gmail.com>
>Franklin <frank...@no.mail.please>
-------------------------------------------------------
I rest my case.
--
"You are not fit to be left in charge of a brain."
iNcReDuLoUs
> On Sun, 03 May 2009 20:43:28 +0100, hummingbird
> <hummingb�r...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>'Franklin' wrote thus:
>> -snip Franklin's fantasies about me sockpuppeting posts
>> by the neo-nazi socialist Lew/Slash-
>>
>>Franklin,
>>since you like to post your slimy lies at least twice, here's some
>>truth that I posted to iNcReDuLoUs in response to your x-posted
>>thread from uk.p.m/uk.l:
>>
> So BlubberingLiarBird is denying that he posted as me?
> LOL
> At last be a man and admit when you get caught.
Welcome back, Lew! Glad to see you're still an optimist. :)
> I know it was a long time ago but surely you remember posting as me.
--
The best of the best in Freeware
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Franklin
> Rexx <dou...@triple.doom> wrote:
>
>> You want to get out a bit more if that is the best thing you do on
>> a warm sunny day. You're not ill are you?
>
> Is someone who enjoys licking a bear's bottom ill or perverted?
>
> F. Reeware
F.Reeware, I think the answer to that one is "both!"
According to Hummingbird's "Keywords" header taken from his post
below, this is what he munches on for breafast. Warning! It's not
for the faint-hearted.
(A) Keywords says this is what Hummingbird eats for breakfast.
UGHH! Pass the sick bag! http://aracari-munching.notlong.com
(B) At weekends Hummingbird or his partner wear a dress. Excuse my
projectile vomit! http://tranny4munching.notlong.com.
(C) They BOTH wear a dress when going to the shops. Yeauuuukkk!
http://2TranniesShopping.notlong.com.
--
Data taken from KEYWORDS header in
GOOGLE <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/
c901df29fd3f71e6?dmode=source> OR <http://snipurl.com/hao2u>
MID <news:gt2u53$rll$1...@solani.org>
Nicolaas Hawkins
in <news:Xns9C01102...@127.0.0.1>:
Why would one want to, when to do so would imply that one gives a flying
fuck?
--
- Nicolaas
Ron May
Drafted19...@BlubberingBirdDetectiveAgency.com wrote:
> I haven't paid attention so can you please list the current
> sockpuppets that DetectiveBirdBrain uses? Or any others you deem
> appropriate and Ill killfile them for now.. I cant keep promises as to
> how long I can keep it up:)
<OT>
Since you're also a Forte Agent user, a lot of this is specific to
that $ware program, hence the [OT] label. Other newsreaders have
different features, and what can be done varies greatly between
clients.
One thing Agent 5.0 has that 4.2 doesn't is to filter on MessageID:,
but you can do that with NFilter/NewsProxy. That's useful for dumping
googlespam.
My killfile is dymanic. If a thread starts to go south, I hit CTRL+k
or use a menu, right-click or toolbar button to bring up this window:
http://acfron.googlepages.com/KillFilter.jpg
What you see are my default settings. You might want to set it up
differently, but to delets a thread and all future posts from that
point until ten days go by after the last post to that thread, all I
have to do is hit "enter" twice. To temporarily delete a sock puppet.
I use the same CTRL+k then either hit the "Paste Author" button (or
hotkey ALT+u) to delete any messages from that author until she/he/it
stops posting for 10 days. If I think I need a longer period of
inactivity, I change the number of days to, say, 30 or 60.
The purpose of expiring filters is to keep the killfile entries to a
manageable numbers. There's no sense in having a permanent killfile
entry for somebody posting as "Doofus" if "Doofus" only makes noise
for a week then disappears. Same with subject lines.
The only two entries in my Usenet filters that don't have an
expiration date are "Author: bottoms" and "Author: hummin*".
When someone trolls the group by sporge, forging other's identities,
or nym-shifting from post to post, a different Agent tool, "Find
Global" is required:
http://acfron.googlepages.com/FindGlobal.jpg
This is accessed by CTRL+g (or menu or toolbar button) You look for
one or more elements in the header or text string in the body of the
message that are common to the garbage you want to filter. As with a
Google search, it's all about how you construct your search terms.
Multiple elementa are allowed, as in "(X-Complaints-To:
ab...@giganews.com) and User-Agent: Thunderbird" without the quotes of
course. Another example would be "(complaints to
ab...@motzarella.org) and (frank* | john* | kill*)" again without
quotes and with "|" meaning "or". The second part could be an "and
not" (or "& !") construction to eliminate known legitimate posts from
selection. Hit the "Find All in Current Folder" button. If you do it
right, what you've done is isolate the garbage from the majority of
posts. At that point, it's easy to keep the few unintended matches
and delete the rest with a single click.
Sounds complicated, but it's really not, especially when you know the
troll spends a hell of a lot more time and effort on trying to devise
ways to avoid my killfile than the minute or less it tales me to flush
all its hard work down the toilet. <vbg>
</OT>
John Stubbings
> I rest my case.
We wish you would.
--
You gotta fight, for your right, to party...
The best of the best in Freeware
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Registered Linux User #485718
John Stubbings
ha
Drafted19...@detectiveblubberingbird.com
wrote:
The glass is half full, but someone pissed in it:)
Nice to see you too...
Lew
hummingbird
Yeahbut Ron May, nothing you've posted below answers Lew/Slash's
request of you. He specifically asked you to LIST THE SOCKPUPPETS
that *I* use. You know, they're the ones that you regularly post
allegations about with your copious *credible evidence*.
Are you going to post your list??? ...do you have one???
...do you have a shred of credible evidence???
I, for one, am very anxious to see it.
From Lew/Slash's previous post:
===================================================
-Lew/Slash wrote:-
>I haven't paid attention so can you please list the current
>sockpuppets that DetectiveBirdBrain uses?
-humingbird then wrote:-
This will be of VERY GREAT interest. I await for Ron May's list
and presumably he will also post all his credible evidence :-)
Doubtless his list will start with "the ACF sporger" ROTFL.
Please tell me how long I should wait?
1 hour? - 1 day? - 1 week? - 1 month? - 1 year? - 1 lifetime?
===================================================
How long do we have to wait Ron May??
'Ron May' wrote thus:
--
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�ACF.FAQ view: http://alt-comp-freeware-FAQ.notlong.com
�Freeware resources: http://bearware.info
�ACF <zero tolerance> policy: http://zero-tolerance.notlong.com
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
Franklin
<news:gtli4o...@aracari.127.0.0.1>:
>
> Franklin,
> Thankyou for confirming that you are in fact the sockpuppet
> posting under the names:
> <Rexx <dou...@triple.doom> and <Fortean Bubble <f...@ftimes.com>
>
> Naturally, I had my suspicions some while ago on uk.p.m. when
> you first appeared and also turned up on ACF.
>
> Interestingly, you post in these names through:
> < X-Complaints-To: ab...@datemas.de > which probably means
> you are responsible for some other socks thru that newsserver.
> hhmmm. How about those in the name of Me.Here?
Chris, your attempts at copying Hitler's BIG LIE are funny rather than
credible.
You can invent whatever associations you like, because they don't
bother me. I haven't even heard of "Fortan Bubble" but it sounds like
you're having an argument with him.
Your misdirected accusations have the advantage of showing the real
poster that you can't detect them and I like that because it means
they're able to continue with what they are doing.
Carry on Rexx and Fortean: you're obviously challenging Hummingbird
about something he is trying to hide. Well done guys.
Franklin
>
> Yeahbut Ron May, nothing you've posted below answers Lew/Slash's
> request of you. He specifically asked you to LIST THE SOCKPUPPETS
> that *I* use. You know, they're the ones that you regularly post
> allegations about with your copious *credible evidence*.
>
> Are you going to post your list??? ...do you have one???
> ...do you have a shred of credible evidence???
Hummingbird, while you're waiting why not read through my post once
again?
I posted the following info to another thread earlier today but as you
have asked so nicely, I'll repeat it here for your convenience.
best wishes
Franklin
----------------------------
From Message-ID: <news:Xns9C00932...@127.0.0.1>
Hummingbird/Chris seems to have forgotten how he left proof that in
the past that he has forged Lew's posts. John Corliss noticed that
Chris had given himself away by using Chris's own unique Aioe user ID
in the headers. John Corliss posted:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/7061ee6fb8562d67
Here is Hummingbird's original forgery which he pretends is from Lew:
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/b3506d3f
49a240ff?dmode=source> OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/5jgnyn
Notice the Aioe unique user ID in the NNTP-Posting-Host header of that
post. It says: "4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org". The owner of
that unique Aioe user sig is traceable to Hummingbird from the
following posts:
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/1262f97963
732c55?dmode=source> OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/cnqmgk
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/5e92b376b9
0fa54a?dmode=source> OR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dk8mea
---------
There are many more forged similar posts from Hummingbird with his
Aioe sig, including some he pretends are from me. The Mystic Meg post
is only one example :
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/89283e027ccbed9b
In that same thread which Chris Hummingbird started with his Mystic
Meg post, he accuses other posters of actually being Mystic Meg!
"Robb, you'll need to ask Ron May, since he posted
the original I believe, and then immediately responded
to it with a change of Subject: to divert attention away
from his guilt. He's cunning like that.
The other possibilities are Franklin and iNcReDuLoUs.
They all do these things regularly but give themselves
away. 'Criminals returning to the scene of the crime',
as they say. They can't resist it."
See http://preview.tinyurl.com/d9y6xq
That quotation shows the slyness with which Hummingbird likes to
operate. How can anyone believe anything he says when he gets up to
tricks like that?
================================================================
Hummingbird, this provides clear evidence that you are a liar,
hypocrite, false accuser, forger, and very devious.
hummingbird
> [GETBYMID] 'Franklin' wrote thus:
>
>
>>On 4 May 2009 01:58, hummingbird wrote in alt.comp.freeware
>><news:gtli4o...@aracari.127.0.0.1>:
>>
>>>
>>> Franklin,
>>> Thankyou for confirming that you are in fact the sockpuppet
>>> posting under the names:
>>> <Rexx <dou...@triple.doom> and <Fortean Bubble <f...@ftimes.com>
>>>
>>> Naturally, I had my suspicions some while ago on uk.p.m. when
>>> you first appeared and also turned up on ACF.
>>>
>>> Interestingly, you post in these names through:
>>> < X-Complaints-To: ab...@datemas.de > which probably means
>>> you are responsible for some other socks thru that newsserver.
>>> hhmmm. How about those in the name of Me.Here?
>
>
>
>Franklin wrote:
>>You can invent whatever associations you like, because they don't
>>bother me. I haven't even heard of "Fortean Bubble" but it sounds
>>like you're having an argument with him.
>
>
>Franklin,
>You are confused. You already openly admitted in your previous
>post to being Rexx <dou...@triple.doom and it is a fact that
>Fortean Bubble <f...@ftimes.com is the same sockpuppet poster.
>
>Both names appeared in the same thread on UKPM with identical
>Headers and the former sock also now posts on ACF occasionally
>thru the same newsserver as some other socks:
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@datemas.de
>
>It's therefore an unavoidable logical deduction that you are both.
>
>That must be obvious, even for someone with your intellect.
>
>Admitting your behaviour one minute and denying it the next only
>shows what a deceitful liar you are.
>
>
>>Your misdirected accusations have the advantage of showing the real
>>poster that you can't detect them and I like that because it means
>>they're able to continue with what they are doing.
>
>Your snippage of my list of YOUR socks/forgeries is noted.
>Does the truth cause you embarrassment? It's always here
>for others to look at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/55ajrs
>
>
>May I remind you of your post to ACF, UKPM, UKL two days ago:
>MID: <Xns9BFEB3F...@127.0.0.1> in which you made
>a series of totally bizarre assertions and allegations. The most
>bizarre one of all was that *YOU* are the real 'hummingbird' and
>that *I* am an imposter, forcing YOU to change your posting name
>to Franklin. Quite astonishing!
>
>You couldn't make this up! ......But YOU did! The above MID
>is irrefutable evidence of the evil lies you manufacture and the
>lengths you go to, to assassinate the character of others.
>
> (I recommend others to read that MID to understand how bad
> your nutjobbery has become).
>
>I have never read such a load of fictitious, malicious nonsense
>and I note that nobody on those groups has responded to you.
>
>Copious evidence is available going back ~6 years to prove the
>contrary. YOUR obsession with becoming ME adds to my belief
>that the ~150 forgeries last Aug/Sep in MY name were made
>by you; they followed the exact same pattern of ID theft:
>in some of them, you asked ME to change MY posting name to
>"the original hummingbird" so that you could use "hummingbird".
>
>During that period there were no posts in your usual name of
>Franklin. Remember?
>
>Your bizarre comments in the above MID follow the same pattern.
>Only a nutcase would indulge in such bizarre behaviour.
>
>However, I am aware that due to your psychopathic MPD illness,
>YOU may really not know who the hell YOU are. Then of course,
>there's your obsession with a guy called chris, which on several
>occasions YOU have claimed to be! On other occasions, you have
>claimed that *I* am him and 5-6 other people: Derald on ACF, Jim
>on RTA, Laurie in Manchester/UK and more recently Thomas on ACF.
>All complete and utter nonsense.
>
>
>But the most likely truth is that YOU ARE Franklin J. Camper, the
>neo-nazi ex-con who spent 9yrs in the slammer for trying to blow
>up the cars of three women in Cal. At the time, and in your later
>appeal, you claimed to be an undercover CIA Agent but were unable
>to produce a shred of evidence to the courts in support of your
>claim, so they dismissed it.
>
>Now you spend your days posting malicious lies and slime on
>Usenet. Having been outed on ACF, you are spreading your filth
>and hate to other newsgroups where you hope you're not known,
>and you continue your character assassinations of anybody who
>is obviously higher up the intellect scale than you. A classic
>socialist neo-nazi/fascist mindset, I might add.
>
>As I wrote to your soulmate iNcReDuLoUs yesterday, you need
>a psychiatrist and some pills. Hopefully, he'll be a good friend
>to you and advise accordingly. I note that even the conspiracy
>nutjob Ron May has distanced himself from you. The only ones
>left are iNcReDuLoUs, Lew/Slash and Little Johnnie Stubbins
>- three other malcontent stalkers with lotsa form <sigh>.
>
>Sheesh, what a mess you lot are in!
>
>
>In other news, the pro-ACFers continue to debate FREEWARE.
>
>>Carry on Rexx and Fortean: you're obviously challenging Hummingbird
>>about something he is trying to hide. Well done guys.
>
>Translation:
>Franklin denies his socks, having admitted them earlier <sigh>
>
>You wrote this revealing comment about yourself recently Franklin:
XNA: No file copy
Ian.Jardine
Ron May, .....................still waiting..................................
I'll give you a head start - this post uses a sockpuppet
so it will get around your killfilter :-)
Plse don't forget to include "The ACF Sporger" on your list.
LOL.
------------------------------------------------
>Yeahbut Ron May, nothing you've posted below answers Lew/Slash's
>request of you. He specifically asked you to LIST THE SOCKPUPPETS
>that *I* use. You know, they're the ones that you regularly post
>allegations about with your copious *credible evidence*. LOL.
regards,
hb
Franklin
> YOUR obsession with becoming ME adds to my belief
> that the ~150 forgeries last Aug/Sep in MY name were made
> by you;
Hummingbird/Chris,
You say I made approx 150 forgeries in your name! Why don't you stop
making false accusations which make you look like a fool?
I don't think any of your outlandish accusations should divert
attention from the genuine proof I gave which shows you have posted as
Lew Silat, Mystic Meg and many others.
You're now using a childish diversionary tactic by stating a BIG LIE
in the hope that it is believed more readily than one of your small
lies.
Can I remind you of your underhand methods . . .
After you had posted as Mystic Meg, YOU TRIED TO FRAME RON MAY for
what you had done yourself and you even had the cheek to claim it was
DECEPTIVE OF RON!
Then YOU POINTED AT ME AND INCREDULOUS AS ALTERNATIVE CULPRITS for
what were your own actions all along!
When we challenged you, YOU KNOWINGLY AND FALSELY described us all as
criminals who were returning to the scene of the crime.
This is what you wrote
Robb, you'll need to ask RON MAY, since he posted
the original I believe, and then immediately responded
to it with a change of subject: TO DIVERT ATTENTION away
from his guilt. HE'S CUNNING LIKE THAT.
The other possibilities are FRANKLIN and iNcReDuLoUs.
They all do these things regularly but give themselves
away. 'CRIMINALS RETURNING TO THE SCENE OF THE CRIME',
as they say. They can't resist it."
taken from: http://preview.tinyurl.com/d9y6xq
What a piece of shit you are.
hummingbird
>On 4 May 2009 16:58, hummingbird wrote in alt.comp.freeware
>> YOUR obsession with becoming ME adds to my belief
>> that the ~150 forgeries last Aug/Sep in MY name were made
>> by you;
Franklin wrote:
>Hummingbird [Franklin's fantasy name for me deleted]
>
>You say I made approx 150 forgeries in your name!
Nope. Mostly "typo-forgeries" of my name/From: field.
Remember?
And it's not ME who says it Franklin. It's the EVIDENCE.
EVIDENCE is that awful stuff which catches you out so often.
I posted a lot of it at the time in this thread:
"The Franklin Connection...":
http://the-franklin-connection.notlong.com
...and even wrote this at the very top:
"Franklin's comments welcome..."
...but as usual, you quickly diverted the thread away, that time
to a debate on the definition of "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" and
whether it equates to ~80% guilt, by x-posting the thread to
<uk.legal> to draw in some pseudo-legal folks. Then you scoffed
at your apparent success at diversion as you disappeared, having
NOT ONCE responded to the evidence I had posted.
Then of course there's the matter of all your other countless
socks/forgeries which are listed here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/55ajrs
Then of course there's the other issues I raised in my previous
post which you snipped: the MID I quoted wherein YOU claimed
to be the real hummingbird and that I'd stolen it from you!
Astonishing lies.
>What a piece of shit you are.
I can see why you say that Franklin. You always hate being caught
lying thru your teeth with yer knickers down.
I will not be engaging with you further on this, because that is
what you would like and I'm not here to play your warped games.
--
...don't be a <pin�head>
John Fitzsimons
wrote:
< snip >
>The evidence disagrees with your statement, Hummingbird. You are a
>proven forger and proven liar.
Perhaps he is. What exactly is the point however of saying that, or
variations, over and over and over though ? It just adds to the
"noise" here.
John Fitzsimons
Drafted19...@BlubberingBirdDetectiveAgency.com wrote:
Hi Lew,
< snip >
>I responded as I felt he was attacking innocent women and children:)
If someone does something like that it is sometimes best for the
"victims" to learn how to protect themselves. You cannot defend
everyone. It isn't possible and some would say that it isn't
appropriate.
>His lover SherlockBird has been running some kind of deluded
>interference for him since.
>Its clear that some of us (ME) do this as it is fun to ridicule BearB
>Doll and his minions in his CULT (3 or 4 misguided souls).
Because they are so easy to ridicule it doesn't follow that you, or
anyone else, should do that. However much you enjoy it.
Do you like others to post here about things unrelated to freeware ?
If your answer is "no" then don't do that sort of thing yourself.
Otherwise you become part of the "noise" problem and not part
of it's solution.
>But you are correct about killfile use.
>I haven't paid attention so can you please list the current
>sockpuppets that DetectiveBirdBrain uses? Or any others you deem
>appropriate and Ill killfile them for now.. I cant keep promises as to
>how long I can keep it up:)
Sockpuppets change daily. I am hoping soon to do a "how to" and/or
FAQ to help people here cope better with them/newsgroup vandals.
>I don't use puppets and the only good thing I have to say about BearB
>Doll is that he doesn't either. Although he did say he uses his wife
>to post in his name sometimes.. :)
BB "could" be a very valuable addition to this newsgroup. It was his
choice however early on to talk about imaginary cults and to take an
adversarial stance against any form of group concensus. His choice.
Not yours. Not mine.
He is free to make such choices. Attacking him is unlikely to do any
good. Someday he will ask himself "Do I always want to be an outcaste
? The butt of ridicule ? Always on the outside looking in ?"
If/when he asks himself that he may consider changing how he relates
to others here. It should be kept in mind that BB has a major plus. He
is much older than some of our resident misfits. So he is potentially
likely to make wiser, more sensible choices.
Regards, John.
Drafted19...@detectiveblubberingbird.com
<DELETEu...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>BB "could" be a very valuable addition to this newsgroup. It was his
>choice however early on to talk about imaginary cults and to take an
>adversarial stance against any form of group concensus. His choice.
>Not yours. Not mine.
>
>He is free to make such choices. Attacking him is unlikely to do any
>good. Someday he will ask himself "Do I always want to be an outcaste
>? The butt of ridicule ? Always on the outside looking in ?"
>
>If/when he asks himself that he may consider changing how he relates
>to others here. It should be kept in mind that BB has a major plus. He
>is much older than some of our resident misfits. So he is potentially
>likely to make wiser, more sensible choices.
>
>
>Regards, John.
>
I snipped your post...
Of course you are right. So am I.
Ive never been one to not respond to people like BB and Birdboy.Ive
never used anonymouse mailers or tried to hide my ID.
Ive never started a thread about them.Ive only responded to their
insanity. My life experience is that BB will never see the light.Ive
known many people like him. Most never change.
As far as BB being older, I don't see how that makes any difference.
He has serious defects and will always be a thorn in someone's side.
Birdboy, well I don't really think I need to delve into his issues.
They are clear to all.
Anyway John my posting responses to their delusional postings goes in
spurts. I'm on the downhill slope for this round.So you wont see much
from me for a while.
I appreciate your common sense on the issue.
Lew
lbr...@rhinestat.org
wrote:
> If you do it right, what you've done is isolate the garbage from the
> majority of posts. At that point, it's easy to keep the few unintended
> matches and delete the rest with a single click.
Well, of course you can, you silly twit. In fact, anyone can manually
delete anyone else's message. I believe it's a common practice for
everyone, from time to time.
However, (and here's the crux of the matter) that's not the same thing
as "killfiling" a message. When you killfile a message, that denotes
letting the computer automatically delete that message.
With your well-thought-out method, it's you, or rather, a finger (are
you left-handed or right-handed?) that actually performs the
"killfile" process.
I think you probably know by now that I don't have any problem with
that method, at all. In fact, I highly approve of it, and jauntily
recommend to everyone.
It's the automatic, computer-generated deletion of my posts that I'm
not leaving open for you as an option. You're going to have to
manually delete it. Sorry to have to burst your bubble.
>Sounds complicated, but it's really not, especially when you know the
>troll spends a hell of a lot more time and effort on trying to devise
>ways to avoid my killfile than the minute or less it tales me to flush
>all its hard work down the toilet. <vbg>
See, there you go again calling it your "killfile", when actually it's
not really a killfile at all. But, we all have our dreams, don't we?
And, of course, here, as you might have already guessed, I would have
to vehemently disagree with your false acclamation.
So, uhhh, let's see, I guess it's your move now, creep. <vvbg>
Lord (Not Lady) Douchebag
> Astonishing lies.
>
>>What a piece of shit you are.
>
> I can see why you say that Franklin. You always hate being caught
> lying thru your teeth with yer knickers down.
>
> I will not be engaging with you further on this, because that is
> what you would like and I'm not here to play your warped games.
>
> --
> ...don't be a <pin�head>
Take no heed, little byrd, of such fowl behaviours.
--
i smell retardation on the wind... honestly who had that fucking
idea... firing a nuke from an artillery piece or a tank is one
thing, but from a goddamn recoiless rifle?
Lord (Not Lady) Douchebag
Drafted19...@DetectiveBlubberingBird.com wrote:
> As far as BB being older, I don't see how that makes any difference.
> He has serious defects and will always be a thorn in someone's side.
> Birdboy, well I don't really think I need to delve into his issues.
> They are clear to all.
Clean thy own trough before commenting on others filth, Sir.
Drafted19...@detectiveblubberingbird.com
<emai...@gmx.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 04 May 2009 20:29:36 -0700,
>Drafted19...@DetectiveBlubberingBird.com wrote:
>
>> As far as BB being older, I don't see how that makes any difference.
>> He has serious defects and will always be a thorn in someone's side.
>> Birdboy, well I don't really think I need to delve into his issues.
>> They are clear to all.
>
>Clean thy own trough before commenting on others filth, Sir.
Who are you calling sir, sir?
Lew
Lord (Not Lady) Douchebag
I call your attentions to your debasities, sir, a term I use with light
touch in your midst.
Craig
> I use with light touch in your midst.
That felt kinda good. Do it again.
-Craig