Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
Lew/Silat
By Daniel Pipes
FrontPageMagazine.com | 1/8/2008
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=BAE3E654-D64A-446E-9F0A-0AF037DF27C3
Liberal fascism sounds like an oxymoron - or a term for
conservatives to insult liberals. Actually, it was coined by a
socialist writer, none other than the respected and influential
left-winger H.G. Wells, who in 1931 called on fellow progressives
to become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis." Really.
His words, indeed, fit a much larger pattern of fusing socialism
with fascism: Mussolini was a leading socialist figure who, during
World War I, turned away from internationalism in favor of Italian
nationalism and called the blend Fascism. Likewise, Hitler headed
the National Socialist German Workers Party.
These facts jar because they contradict the political spectrum that
has shaped our worldview since the late 1930s, which places
communism at the far left, followed by socialism, liberalism in the
center, conservatism, and then fascism on the far right. But this
spectrum, Jonah Goldberg points out in his brilliant, profound, and
original new book, Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the
American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning (Doubleday),
reflects Stalin's use of fascist as an epithet to discredit anyone
he wished - Trotsky, Churchill, Russian peasants - and distorts
reality. Already in 1946, George Orwell noted that fascism had
degenerated to signify "something not desirable."
To understand fascism in its full expression requires putting aside
Stalin's misrepresentation of the term and also look beyond the
Holocaust, and instead return to the period Goldberg terms the
"fascist moment," roughly 1910-35. A statist ideology, fascism uses
politics as the tool to transform society from atomized individuals
into an organic whole. It does so by exalting the state over the
individual, expert knowledge over democracy, enforced consensus
over debate, and socialism over capitalism. It is totalitarian in
Mussolini's original meaning of the term, of "Everything in the
State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State."
Fascism's message boils down to "Enough talk, more action!" Its
lasting appeal is getting things done.
In contrast, conservatism calls for limited government,
individualism, democratic debate, and capitalism. Its appeal is
liberty and leaving citizens alone.
Goldberg's triumph is establishing the kinship between communism,
fascism, and liberalism. All derive from the same tradition that
goes back to the Jacobins of the French Revolution. His revised
political spectrum would focus on the role of the state and go from
libertarianism to conservatism to fascism in its many guises -
American, Italian, German, Russian, Chinese, Cuban, and so on.
As this listing suggests, fascism is flexible; different iterations
differ in specifics but they share "emotional or instinctual
impulses." Mussolini tweaked the socialist agenda to emphasize the
state; Lenin made workers the vanguard party; Hitler added race.
If the German version was militaristic, the American one (which
Goldberg calls liberal fascism) is nearly pacifist. Goldberg quotes
historian Richard Pipes on this point: "Bolshevism and Fascism were
heresies of socialism." He proves this confluence in two ways.
First, he offers a "secret history of the American left":
Woodrow Wilson's Progressivism featured a "militaristic, fanatically
nationalist, imperialist, racist" program, enabled by the exigencies
of World War I.
Franklin D. Roosevelt's "fascist New Deal" built on and extended
Wilson's government.
Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society established the modern welfare
state, "the ultimate fruition" (so far) of this statist tradition.
The youthful New Left revolutionaries of the 1960s brought about "an
Americanized updating" of the European Old Right.
Hillary Clinton hopes "to insert the state deep into family life,"
an essential step of the totalitarian project.
To sum up a near-century of history, if the American political
system traditionally encouraged the pursuit of happiness, "more and
more of us want to stop chasing it and have it delivered."
Second, Goldberg dissects American liberal programs - racial,
economic, environmental, even the "cult of the organic" - and shows
their affinities to those of Mussolini and Hitler.
If this summary sounds mind-numbingly implausible, read Liberal
Fascism in full for its colorful quotes and convincing
documentation. The author, hitherto known as a smart, sharp-elbowed
polemicist, has proven himself a major political thinker.
Beyond offering a radically different way to understand modern
politics, in which fascist is no more a slander than socialist,
Goldberg's extraordinary book provides conservatives with the tools
to reply to their liberal tormentors and eventually go on the
offensive. If liberals can eternally raise the specter of Joseph
McCarthy, conservatives can counter with that of Benito Mussolini.
----------------------------------------------------------
Mr. Pipes (www.DanielPipes.org) is director of the Middle East Forum
and author of Miniatures (Transaction Publishers).
David H. Lipman
| Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
| By Daniel Pipes
|
Besides not being On Topic, it is not 3/19 yet !
Please fix you PC clock.
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Lew
"Lew/Silat" <Drafted1870nu...@Invalidmail.com> wrote in
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I did not post this.You can bet the house that it was that moronic
Bigotbird who is the real fascist... He obviously adores the nutjob who
wrote the book he refers to.
Lew
Richard Steinfeld
He wrote off-topic, too in his drive-by post.
In these parts, Daniel Pipes is regarded as an extremist nutcase, a man
about as useful as Lyndon LaRouche
.
We've been living through a time when demigogs have worked very hard to
equate liberals with the very devil himself, and pound away at that day
after day.
The goal is to make us all have no alternative to being shoved around by
the conservatives. If you work for a living, you need an alternative.
How've you been doing under the Neo-Conservative Republicans, anyway?
Richard
Dan Goodman
> Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
> By Daniel Pipes
Thank you; I had not been aware that Pipes has gone _completely_ whacko.
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Ron May
<Drafted1970nu...@Invalidmail.com> wrote:
> I did not post this.You can bet the house that it was that moronic
> Bigotbird who is the real fascist... He obviously adores the nutjob who
> wrote the book he refers to.
> Lew
I didn't think you did. It wouldn't be the fitst time Hummingbird
tried to fotge your header info and the headers of other legitimate
posters. He actually did a better job last time, but got tripped up
by his incompetence. I'm sure you remember the incident, but others
can check it out. See:
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Jimmy Buffet actually dedicated a song to our resident looneybird:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6OrOZwtmA
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hummingbird
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:27:34 -0800 'Lew'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
Says Lew/Slash who claims Hitler was a republican. rotfl.
You couldn't make it up.
I did not post this stuff Lew/Slash but I do agree with it and it is
true. It has your name attached to it and I notice you requoted it
all, which you wouldn't have done if it wasn't you.
Now piss off and play with Franklin.
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Lew/+Silat
Christians are just Jews gone bad
</q>
"You are an advertisement for birth control"
<Lew 16th Dec 2007, ACF>
"You sound like that republican of the century, Hitler"
<Lew 17th Dec 2007, ACF>
hummingbird
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:43:26 -0500 'Ron May'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:27:34 -0800, "Lew"
><Drafted1970nu...@Invalidmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I did not post this.You can bet the house that it was that moronic
>> Bigotbird who is the real fascist... He obviously adores the nutjob who
>> wrote the book he refers to.
>> Lew
>I didn't think you did. It wouldn't be the fitst time Hummingbird
[...]
Ooh and up pops the Master of Conspiracy Theories "Ron May".
There's only one small thing wrong with your crackpot theories Ron,
they are rubbish and cannot be proven. But when did facts ever get
in your way? Your allegation that I was the sporger on ACF, now
proven to be rubbish, is one example.
Will I get a public apology from you? Not on your life.
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:26:24 -0800 'Lew'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
>"Ron May" <may...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1du0u31rmtvt8q8lv...@4ax.com...
>> I didn't think you did. It wouldn't be the fitst time Hummingbird
>> tried to fotge your header info and the headers of other legitimate
>> posters. He actually did a better job last time, but got tripped up
>> by his incompetence. I'm sure you remember the incident, but others
>> can check it out. See:
>>
>> Message-ID: <t1man3di4tj213kvm...@4ax.com>
>>
>> Jimmy Buffet actually dedicated a song to our resident looneybird:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6OrOZwtmA
>>
>> --
>> Ron M.
>> (I filter Googlespam)
>> alt.comp.freeware information pages:
>> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Index.php
>
>
>Yes Bigotboy is a coward and a loon as is his friend BearButt. A sorry
>example of a ?man?
>He has to spam and forge emails to get his jollies since masterbation
>has lost its thrill.
>And that picture of him with the 2 hookers is priceless. What a tool.
How's the dance lessons going Lew/Slash? lol.
If you ask Ron May nicely, he might teach you to goosestep too.
John Corliss
>
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What a piece of work you are, hb.
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jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk
liberals are fascists . see Steven Plaut's article "increasingly
selective democracy", for a quick example of what happens when they
have power. They like swinging batons too.. The kind of thing you
would expect in a left wing communist country like the old soviet
union.
truth is though.. pipes and plaut, like fascists, also use any tactics
possible to silence their opponents. And although they may want the
troops in iraq(more fool them), they have many leftist agendas
elsewhere.. They are not the real right..
anyhow, giving lives of soldiers to try to allow arabs to live in
peace with each other, is a rather "bleeding heart" idiot liberal
idea. "sacrifices for peace".
Franklin
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:27:34 -0800, "Lew" wrote:
>
>> I did not post this.You can bet the house that it was that moronic
>> Bigotbird who is the real fascist... He obviously adores the nutjob
>> who wrote the book he refers to.
>
> tried to fotge your header info and the headers of other legitimate
> posters. He actually did a better job last time, but got tripped up
> by his incompetence. I'm sure you remember the incident, but others
> can check it out. See:
> Message-ID: <t1man3di4tj213kvm...@4ax.com>
>
> Jimmy Buffet actually dedicated a song to our resident looneybird:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6OrOZwtmA
>
Ron, that's a very appropriate song. It describes our Hummingird exactly.
Franklin
> "Ron May" <may...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I didn't think you did. It wouldn't be the fitst time Hummingbird
>> tried to fotge your header info and the headers of other legitimate
>> posters. He actually did a better job last time, but got tripped up
>> by his incompetence. I'm sure you remember the incident, but others
>> can check it out. See:
>> Message-ID: <t1man3di4tj213kvm...@4ax.com>
>>
>> Jimmy Buffet actually dedicated a song to our resident looneybird:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6OrOZwtmA
>>
>> --
>> Ron M.
>
>
> sorry example of a ?man?
> He has to spam and forge emails to get his jollies since masterbation
> has lost its thrill.
> And that picture of him with the 2 hookers is priceless. What a tool.
I too just lurve that picture of Hummingbird. What the HELL was
Hummingbird trying to prove by posting a photo of him with two
prostitutes? Was he high on drugs when he posted it?
Maybe Hummingbird actually thought someone here might somehow envy the
depths he has to stoop to in order to obtain sexual gratification.
Almost anyone else would feel far too ashamed to post a photo like that
one.
Surely no one could envy a sad man who has to travel as a sex tourist
half-way around the world in order to consort with prostitutes,
transvestities, and under-age teenagers in a third-world country and
then boasts about his exploits on this newsgroup.
No doubt perverted Chris has plenty of photos of his so-called holiday.
I suggest he take great care because this is what happens to other
perverts also named Chris who post their pictures after exceeding the
norms of decent behavior while in Thailand:
http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/PressReleases/PR2007/PR200747.asp
hummingbird
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:46:17 -0700 'John Corliss'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>Hummingbird, spoofing (pretending to be) Lew/Silat, trolled:
Nope. It's John Corliss writing for the Daily Slime again.
Have you never learned to tell the truth Corliss?????
[rest binned unread]
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never see their messages. Of course I am the biggest troll of all on
ACF but I don't killfile myself because I like to read my own posts
because I am the Leader of the Gang. Some friends call me Gary.
When I say it is nagware, IT IS NAGWARE. I will attack anybody
who disagrees with me and reduce them to pulp, threatening them
with my baseball bat if necessary. That usually works.
I rule this news group by fear, intimidation, abuse and threats.
I like to post long troll threads to start flame wars. It gives me a
great feeling of power. I also run a dirty tricks department which
has served me well for 8 years to intimidate and threaten anybody
who has the balls to disagree with me. Beware of your private e-mail
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Because of Googlespam, I use NFilter to block all Google Groups
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in my news reader are those from myself and my fans like Ron May
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Over and out
Krazee Brenda
> Goldberg's extraordinary book provides conservatives with the tools
> to reply to their liberal tormentors and eventually go on the
> offensive. If liberals can eternally raise the specter of Joseph
> McCarthy, conservatives can counter with that of Benito Mussolini.
And who said Joose can't be idiotic morons?
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Richard Steinfeld
>
> liberals are fascists .
Fine. Now I'm going to demolish your simply quoting uninformed bullshit.
I'm a liberal. Prove that I'm a fascist. I've made a lot of posts on
this board. See if you'll be able to quote anything that I've said that
supports fascism.
Make sure that you look up some definitions about fascism. Especially
look for characteristics of actual fascist states: Find every
characteristic of fascism and prove that I am guilty of those traits.
I'm waiting...
In the process, you might ask yourself how many of those characteristics
actually describe our own Neocons and Republicans.
see Steven Plaut's article "increasingly
> selective democracy", for a quick example of what happens when they
> have power. They like swinging batons too..
So, liberals swing batons? Prove it. Precise cites are required. Now, in
our own country, exactly who tends to get beaten up by people with
clubs? Go ahead. Who gets killed?
The two Kennedys .. where they fascists?
ML King -- he was a fascist?
Who shot rubber bullets a couple of years ago in Oakland, CA? Were those
cops liberals? Who were they shooting at, huh? Were the Oakland police
shooting at conservatives? Were they shooting at demonstrating Republicans?
Who do the San Francisco cops club and drag off to jail year after year?
Do they club and drag Republicans?
Do you live on the same planet that I do?
Come on, James -- prove me wrong. I'm waiting.
The kind of thing you
> would expect in a left wing communist country like the old soviet
> union.
The Soviet Union (notice the capitalization) was a totalitarian state.
That's what you have to worry about.
In the meantime, please note that civilized people begin their sentences
with capital letters. They capitalize names.
>
> truth is though.. pipes and plaut, like fascists, also use any tactics
> possible to silence their opponents. And although they may want the
> troops in iraq(more fool them), they have many leftist agendas
> elsewhere.. They are not the real right.
Wow. You're truly nuts. Why don't you learn how to capitalize where it's
customary so people can understand you without straining.
"
And although they may want the
> troops in iraq(more fool them), they have many leftist agendas
> elsewhere.. They are not the real right.
Pipes can't silence anyone. We still live in a democracy -- a country
where you are free to write clueless junk.
What the hell is this supposed to mean? I can't make sense out of any of it.
>
> anyhow, giving lives of soldiers to try to allow arabs to live in
> peace with each other, is a rather "bleeding heart" idiot liberal
> idea. "sacrifices for peace".
>
You know, this is so bananas, I think you're a troll.
Since when did liberals send our American citizens to Iraq to get parts
of their bodies blown off and try to kill themselves? Did the liberals?
Or did the Republicans? Who lied about the reason for the invasion? Was
it the liberals? Who got us into a war for no reason? Who sent American
citizens to their deaths?
Let's get straight: Bush lied: there were no weapons of mass
destruction. Bush wouldn't listen. Or, did he start the war on purpose,
no matter what the truth was?
It's convenient to say, "Support the troops." Every "troop" is an
American citizen, perhaps your next-door neighbor, perhaps your sister.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc., have sent them to their deaths, and
kept them dying. Was it worth it?
Did you, James, volunteer to go to Iraq and get your head blown off? Or
did you put a yellow Chinese magnet on the back of your car and feel all
self-righteous and patriotic while other Americans got their brains
blown out protecting nothing?
Why did Bush, Cheney, and the Republicans in Congress and the Senate
sent trillions (I said trillions) of our tax dollars down a black hole,
while American citizens died in Mississippi because their National Guard
was over in Iraq -- the National Guard who was supposed to help them in
emergencies?
Who has gotten rich, and continues to get rich on the Iraq war? Do
Liberals get rich from this war? Is Cheney a liberal? Is his Halliburton
Company, ripping us off every day, a liberal corporation? Who has the
appearance of corruption for funneling our tax money to Halliburton?
Name the liberal who is doing this.
Do you happen to know that Halliburton is so patriotic that they're
moving their headquarters to Dubai?
James: what the hell goony source are you getting your news from?
Richard
Richard Steinfeld
> And who said Joose can't be idiotic morons?
Brenda, you are not only pissing me off, you've really lost my respect.
Totally.
Richard
Krazee Brenda
This is a loss? To who? So you buy into this Fascism = Liberalism by
this idiot Goldberg?
If so, take your "respect" and shove it cleanly up your Jew Ass.
John Corliss
> John Corliss wrote:
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Yup. 80)>
Ron May
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:46:17 -0700, John Corliss wrote:
>
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> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>
> Message-ID: <04e850e33f5a22e0...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
NICE CATCH! <g>
(Not that it's going to stop him, but it does build a solid history of
incidents to debunk his repeated protestations of innocence.)
Franklin
Uh-oh, Richard. You're a sensible fellow. Don't take the bait.
Mrs Krazee B is, well, is Mrs Krazee B.
Craig
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:26:19 +1100, Rom <-...@-.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:46:17 -0700, John Corliss wrote:
>>
>>> Hummingbird, spoofing (pretending to be) Lew/Silat, trolled:
>>>> removed.
>>> Spoofed (AIOE.org) headers:
>> [...]
>>> Message-ID: <9KGdnbYaUSYIstDa...@comcast.com>
>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>> [...]
>>
>>
>> Message-ID: <fe27affdf176860c...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>>
>> Message-ID: <04e850e33f5a22e0...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>
> NICE CATCH! <g>
>
> (Not that it's going to stop him, but it does build a solid history of
> incidents to debunk his repeated protestations of innocence.)
HB spoofs other posters in the ng... Ffs, what a dirtbag!
iNcReDuLoUs
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:26:19 +1100, Rom <-...@-.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:46:17 -0700, John Corliss wrote:
>>
>> > Hummingbird, spoofing (pretending to be) Lew/Silat, trolled:
>> >>
>> >> removed.
>> >
>> > Spoofed (AIOE.org) headers:
>> [...]
>> > Message-ID: <9KGdnbYaUSYIstDa...@comcast.com>
>> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>> [...]
>>
>> Message-ID: <fe27affdf176860c...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>>
>> Message-ID: <04e850e33f5a22e0...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>
> NICE CATCH! <g>
>
> (Not that it's going to stop him, but it does build a solid history of
> incidents to debunk his repeated protestations of innocence.)
That IS a nice catch. It also conclusively ties hummingbird to several
of his other sockpuppets [1]. But as you say, it won't stop him, since
many people forgive and forget as soon as he makes a legitimate post
about freeware, ffs (to borrow a phrase).
[1] More Millbank sockpuppets:
Ashkenazi <Franqli...@octanews.kissmyass.com>
Message-ID: <f9mb7n$sc3$1...@aioe.org>
goyem <go...@church.com>
Message-ID: <ffi4nq$5bq$1...@aioe.org>
Franky& Jonny <WeMeetOnPat...@EveryOpportunity.octanoos.org>
Message-ID: <f9ng59$690$1...@aioe.org>
Jon+Franklin <WeAre...@octanews.kiss.kiss.organs.com>
Message-ID: <f9lmn3$t51$1...@aioe.org>
Frank.lin <lip.s...@lert.invalid.com>
Message-ID: <1414020392ac55b3...@franklin.127.0.0.1>
JC bonehead <trol...@anytime.invalid.com>
Message-ID: <fc63rs$r14$1...@aioe.org>
Duckling Club <quack.qu...@dawn.invalid.com>
Message-ID: <Xns7A41DDF78...@127.0.0.1>
PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL <corliss.i...@home.invalid.com>
Message-ID: <john.corliss.is.t...@corliss.troll.com>
hummingbird
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:31:40 -0500 'Ron May'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:26:19 +1100, Rom <-...@-.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:46:17 -0700, John Corliss wrote:
>>
>> > Hummingbird, spoofing (pretending to be) Lew/Silat, trolled:
>> >>
>> >> removed.
>> >
>> > Spoofed (AIOE.org) headers:
>> [...]
>> > Message-ID: <9KGdnbYaUSYIstDa...@comcast.com>
>> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>> [...]
>>
>>
>> Message-ID: <fe27affdf176860c...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>>
>> Message-ID: <04e850e33f5a22e0...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>
>NICE CATCH! <g>
>
>(Not that it's going to stop him, but it does build a solid history of
>incidents to debunk his repeated protestations of innocence.)
Thus speaks Ron May, k00k konspiracy kolumnist for The Daily Slime,
author of 'May's Bumper Book of Fantastic Konspiracy Theories'
and spokesperson for the pricelessware goon squad, who has been busy
for the past week unsuccessfully trying to defend the indefensible
and is now desperate for any distraction he can find. ho hum.
John Corliss
> Ron May wrote:
>> Rom wrote:
>>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hummingbird, spoofing (pretending to be) Lew/Silat, trolled:
>>>>> removed.
>>>> Spoofed (AIOE.org) headers:
>>> [...]
>>>> Message-ID: <9KGdnbYaUSYIstDa...@comcast.com>
>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Message-ID: <fe27affdf176860c...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>>>
>>> Message-ID: <04e850e33f5a22e0...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>>
>> NICE CATCH! <g>
>>
>> (Not that it's going to stop him, but it does build a solid history of
>> incidents to debunk his repeated protestations of innocence.)
>
> HB spoofs other posters in the ng... Ffs, what a dirtbag!
A whore-mongering dirtbag at that:
http://www.toucano.plus.com/hummingbird_in_Phuket_Feb-2008.jpg
Bear Bottoms
wrote:
> Craig wrote:
>> Ron May wrote:
>>> Rom wrote:
>>>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hummingbird, spoofing (pretending to be) Lew/Silat, trolled:
>>>>>> removed.
>>>>> Spoofed (AIOE.org) headers:
>>>> [...]
>>>>> Message-ID: <9KGdnbYaUSYIstDa...@comcast.com>
>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Message-ID: <fe27affdf176860c...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>>>>
>>>> Message-ID: <04e850e33f5a22e0...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>>>
>>> NICE CATCH! <g>
>>>
>>> (Not that it's going to stop him, but it does build a solid history of
>>> incidents to debunk his repeated protestations of innocence.)
>> HB spoofs other posters in the ng... Ffs, what a dirtbag!
>
> A whore-mongering dirtbag at that:
>
> http://www.toucano.plus.com/hummingbird_in_Phuket_Feb-2008.jpg
>
The biker chicks are whores, what hummer showed appears to be prostitutes.
None of which I'm sure as a self-proclaimed biker you have ever partaken
of any :)
What you fucks do is resort to personal insult in the face of factual
debate about your behavior in this ng.
Go figure it was actually you who let the cat out of the bag...I'm sure to
the chagrin of other Pricelesswarehomies. No matter, Susan did worse...as
did a few others...got caught up in it too deep.
--
Bear Bottoms - I research freeware
Freeware Website http://bearware.info
hummingbird
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:17:11 -0700 'John Corliss'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>Craig wrote:
>> Ron May wrote:
>>> Rom wrote:
>>>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hummingbird, spoofing (pretending to be) Lew/Silat, trolled:
>>>>>> removed.
>>>>> Spoofed (AIOE.org) headers:
>>>> [...]
>>>>> Message-ID: <9KGdnbYaUSYIstDa...@comcast.com>
>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Message-ID: <fe27affdf176860c...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>>>>
>>>> Message-ID: <04e850e33f5a22e0...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4EWbcYEJ25dHs/2NQA5EzA.user.aioe.org
>>>
>>> NICE CATCH! <g>
>>>
>>> (Not that it's going to stop him, but it does build a solid history of
>>> incidents to debunk his repeated protestations of innocence.)
>>
>> HB spoofs other posters in the ng... Ffs, what a dirtbag!
Liar.
>A whore-mongering dirtbag at that:
My oh my Corliss. Do I detect jealousy in your tone?
--
John Corliss BullShit 2008. I killfile trolls like Andy Mabbett,
Franklin, Hummingbird, Kayman, coco and proteanthread. Thus, I
never see their messages. Of course I am the biggest troll of all on
ACF but I don't killfile myself because I like to read my own posts
because I am the Leader of the Gang. Some friends call me Gary.
When I say it is nagware, IT IS NAGWARE. I will attack anybody
who disagrees with me and reduce them to pulp, threatening them
with my baseball bat if necessary. That usually works.
I rule this news group by fear, intimidation, abuse and threats.
I like to post long troll threads to start flame wars. It gives me a
great feeling of power. I also run a dirty tricks department which
has served me well for 8 years to intimidate and threaten anybody
who has the balls to disagree with me. Beware of your private e-mail
address because I send them to spammers if you disagree with me.
Because of Googlespam, I use NFilter to block all Google Groups
posts from being displayed in my news reader. I also use it to block
all cross-posted messages and all other messages from all other
sources. I use NFilter to ensure the only messages I see displayed
in my news reader are those from myself and my fans like Ron May
and Franklin and a few tame trolls and troublemakers.
No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet, nag, share, spy,
time-limited, trollware, sporgeware. spoofware, underware, trial
or web wares OR warez for me, please.
hummingbird
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:51:35 -0500 'Bear Bottoms'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:17:11 -0500, John Corliss <jcor...@fake.invalid>
>wrote:
>> A whore-mongering dirtbag at that:
>>
>> http://xxx.toucan.plus.com/hummingbird_in_Phuket_Feb-2008.jpg
>>
>The biker chicks are whores, what hummer showed appears to be prostitutes.
They're just a couple of girls in a bar I drank in a few times.
I'm not aware if they were available or not, so it would be unfair
to call them prostitutes.
>None of which I'm sure as a self-proclaimed biker you have ever partaken
>of any :)
>
>What you fucks do is resort to personal insult in the face of factual
>debate about your behavior in this ng.
>
>Go figure it was actually you who let the cat out of the bag...I'm sure to
>the chagrin of other Pricelesswarehomies. No matter, Susan did worse...as
>did a few others...got caught up in it too deep.
John Corliss, Ron May, Franklin and the rest of the pricelessware
goon squad have reduced this newsgroup to the level of The Daily
Slime.
Bear Bottoms
wrote:
> They're just a couple of girls in a bar I drank in a few times.
> I'm not aware if they were available or not, so it would be unfair
> to call them prostitutes.
My bad, I fell prey to lust...hope.
Richard Steinfeld
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:44:05 -0700, Richard Steinfeld wrote:
>
>> Krazee Brenda wrote:
>>> And who said Joose can't be idiotic morons?
>> Brenda, you are not only pissing me off, you've really lost my respect.
>> Totally.
>>
>> Richard
>
> This is a loss? To who? So you buy into this Fascism = Liberalism by
> this idiot Goldberg?
>
> If so, take your "respect" and shove it cleanly up your Jew Ass.
No, Brenda. But I've killfiled you.
Bye, Brenda.
Franklin
>
> They're just a couple of girls in a bar I drank in a few times.
> I'm not aware if they were available or not, so it would be unfair
> to call them prostitutes.
>
If you can't tell, Hummingbird, then I can let you into a secret which
everyone else already knows and that is these two friendly locals are
prostitutes.
http://i32.tinypic.com/mr7a1e.jpg
The next ridiculous thing you will say is that they were language
students who wanted to practise their English with you.
Krazee Brenda
>> HB spoofs other posters in the ng... Ffs, what a dirtbag!
>
> A whore-mongering dirtbag at that:
>
> http://www.toucano.plus.com/hummingbird_in_Phuket_Feb-2008.jpg
You said he was a homo. Now he's a whore-monger. Btw, real men, where I
come from, take more than two to monger. YHMMV.
So we got a BiBird?
hummingbird
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:16:22 -0400 'Krazee Brenda'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:17:11 -0700, John Corliss wrote:
>
>>> HB spoofs other posters in the ng... Ffs, what a dirtbag!
>>
>> A whore-mongering dirtbag at that:
>>
>> http://www.toucano.plus.com/hummingbird_in_Phuket_Feb-2008.jpg
>
>You said he was a homo. Now he's a whore-monger. Btw, real men, where I
>come from, take more than two to monger. YHMMV.
>
>So we got a BiBird?
Nah, you've got a raunchy male bird ;-o) lol.
I'll post a copy of Xuxa sometime...
Krazee Brenda
> Krazee Brenda wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:44:05 -0700, Richard Steinfeld wrote:
>>
>>> Krazee Brenda wrote:
>>>> And who said Joose can't be idiotic morons?
>>> Brenda, you are not only pissing me off, you've really lost my respect.
>>> Totally.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>
>> This is a loss? To who? So you buy into this Fascism = Liberalism by
>> this idiot Goldberg?
>>
>> If so, take your "respect" and shove it cleanly up your Jew Ass.
>
> No, Brenda. But I've killfiled you.
> Bye, Brenda.
Good for you. You are a stupid fuck who drains the resources of this
group and gives back what? Your support for an idiot like Goldberg? And
you wonder why people mfg gas chambers and stuff you and yours in them?
The Holocaust was a tragedy because you got more than you gave. That's
what really pisses you off because if the Nazi shoe had been on the Jew
foot, it would have been a holiday.
Like Easter.
But don't worry, you and all the other insane tribesmen in the Middle
East are making up for lost time. of course, the <insert any insane
Middle Easterner>, you are justified !!
Of course you are. *or* are you really, really fucked? For it will be
one or the other. You either killed and now do not support the Messiah
or you and the other insanities have to fight it out to see whose god is
left standing.
Here's the odds. The odds are the Middle East and the majority of its
people are totally fucked.
And that, my jewish fiend, is Justice.
jamesh...@yahoo.co.uk
<rgsteinBUTREMOVET...@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote:
> jameshanle...@yahoo.co.uk wrote
>
>
>
> > liberals are fascists .
>
> Fine. Now I'm going to demolish your simply quoting uninformed bullshit.
> I'm a liberal. Prove that I'm a fascist. I've made a lot of posts on
> this board. See if you'll be able to quote anything that I've said that
> supports fascism.
>
> Make sure that you look up some definitions about fascism. Especially
> look for characteristics of actual fascist states: Find every
> characteristic of fascism and prove that I am guilty of those traits.
> I'm waiting...
>
cambridge dictionary offers this for fascism - "a political system
based on a very powerful leader, state control and extreme pride in
country and race, and in which political opposition is not allowed"
it says extreme right.. and defines right wing as "believe in low
taxes, private ownership of property and industry, and less help for
the poor.."
dictionary.reference.com
"
(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a
dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and
criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing
an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or
methods of fascism.
. (initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one
established by Mussolini in Italy 1922-43.
"
liberal
favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom
possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental
protection of civil liberties.
left
"belonging to the political Left; having liberal or radical views in
politics. "
There are what appear to be contradictions in these definitions.. How
can the left want liberal politics, if they set quotas- affirmative
action / positive discrimination.
And they share a great deal with the totalitarian and suppressive
aspects of fascism.. Socialism is considered to be -far left-. And as
soon as socialists gain power, they go totalitarian. Soviet Union
being an example.. Communist china.
do you support the "peace process" in israel
The peace process in israel is considered "left wing".. The self
proclaimed leftists support it.. no doubt proclaiming that it is for
palestinian rights. But they tred on the Right. The settlers. the
israeli regime is very totalitarian by the left, against the right, as
shown by that article by plaut "increasingly selective democracy".
leftists/liberals do support it. They support the "dismantlement of
illegal settlements". And that has involved baton wielding yassam
throwing people out of their homes. The leftists/liberals support
these totalitarian actions.
> In the process, you might ask yourself how many of those characteristics
> actually describe our own Neocons and Republicans.
>
seems similar to the leftists in israel. They want to meddle in iraq
and bring peace and democracy there.
A real right winger would say let them kill each other. Why should we
give the lives of our troops to bring peace to them. The neo-cons are
not real right wingers.
> see Steven Plaut's article "increasingly
>
> > selective democracy", for a quick example of what happens when they
> > have power. They like swinging batons too..
>
> So, liberals swing batons? Prove it. Precise cites are required. Now, in
> our own country, exactly who tends to get beaten up by people with
> clubs? Go ahead. Who gets killed?
>
There are cases in israel, of the leftist government attacking right
wing groups..
http://www.kahane.org/books/revolution.htm
"
A week of incitement by Knesset members and the Israel Army station
called on Jews to come to the city of Givatayim to physically prevent
a legal rally of Kach. The Mayor of Givatayim had declared earlier:
"Kill them while they are small!" And they came by the thousands,
mostly members of the kibbutzim, the leftist communal settlements.
Hundreds of buses, thousands of people............
And the next day the newspaper Al Ha'mishmar organ of the Mapam
Marxist Party carried a gloating article under the heading: "How sweet
to see a violent Left..." And it added: "It was a sight to gladden the
soul to see the leaders of Hashomer Ha'tzair and Hanoar Ha'oved [two
leftist youth groups] and just ordinary citizens, upholders of law and
order, angrily throwing eggs and stones and brandishing clubs."
"
> The two Kennedys .. where they fascists?
>
> ML King -- he was a fascist?
>
> Who shot rubber bullets a couple of years ago in Oakland, CA? Were those
> cops liberals? Who were they shooting at, huh? Were the Oakland police
> shooting at conservatives? Were they shooting at demonstrating Republicans?
>
> Who do the San Francisco cops club and drag off to jail year after year?
> Do they club and drag Republicans?
> Do you live on the same planet that I do?
> Come on, James -- prove me wrong. I'm waiting.
>
I don`t know about all this american stuff.. But in the case of MLK..
Most right wingers are in favour of most of his message, that blacks
shouldn`t be discriminated against. His left wing aspect, I mean
that in the sense of, the aspect of his ideas that the right now would
differ with, would be affirimative action / positive
discrimination..
> The kind of thing you
>
> > would expect in a left wing communist country like the old soviet
> > union.
>
> The Soviet Union (notice the capitalization) was a totalitarian state.
> That's what you have to worry about.
> In the meantime, please note that civilized people begin their sentences
> with capital letters. They capitalize names.
>
>
I like to rest my little finger often. It finds the movement to the
shift key very tiresome.
>
> > truth is though.. pipes and plaut, like fascists, also use any tactics
> > possible to silence their opponents. And although they may want the
> > troops in iraq(more fool them), they have many leftist agendas
> > elsewhere.. They are not the real right.
>
> Wow. You're truly nuts. Why don't you learn how to capitalize where it's
> customary so people can understand you without straining.
>
heh, for most people it isn:t a strain. I guess you haven`t seen
those names that much.
> "
> And although they may want the
> > troops in iraq(more fool them), they have many leftist agendas
> > elsewhere.. They are not the real right.
> Pipes can't silence anyone. We still live in a democracy -- a country
> where you are free to write clueless junk.
>
democracy just means the majourity push the minority around.
If in america, 51% voted to kill 49% it couldn`t happen, because in
america you have the constitution or bill of rights, and that
overrules democracy.
One can try to get their opponent deported , or block him from
entering the country. For example, in britian we have the concept of
blocking somebody from coming if they are "not conducive to the public
good". A deliberately general expression... So recently they blocked
a leader within a faction of Likud, called Moshe Feiglin , from
entering britain. Whereas we have a london based palestinian and BBC
commentator that "told a Lebanese TV station that if war with Iran
broke out, "by Allah, I will go to Trafalgar Square, and dance with
delight" if Iranian missiles struck Israel."(that was from an article
in the jc) And we have had terrorists such as abu hamza come in, -
meir kahane was blocked from coming in in the 80s. More recently,
Sheikh Qaradawi, who london mayor ken livingstone embraced.
The government let in who it wants. And somebody in a position of
power can influence them.
Similarly, powerful organisations can threaten people and
organisations with a smear campaign, if they don`t do as they want.
Daniel Pipes tried to destroy somebody(barry chamish)`s reputation in
polite society, by suggesting he was a holocaust denier.. An attempt
also to cause places to be denied speaking invitations. An attempt
to silence him.
In britain we now have a law against inciting racial hatred. This can
also be used as a tool to silence people..
And if you read "increasingly selective democracy" by steven plaut,
you will see that israel - a democracy with a leftist government that
oppresses the right, does silence the opposition. The govt put people
in prison if they say something they don`t like. There are -loads-
of examples.
America is much better than this.. they have a bill of rights.
> What the hell is this supposed to mean? I can't make sense out of any of it.
>
>
>
> > anyhow, giving lives of soldiers to try to allow arabs to live in
> > peace with each other, is a rather "bleeding heart" idiot liberal
> > idea. "sacrifices for peace".
>
> You know, this is so bananas, I think you're a troll.
> Since when did liberals send our American citizens to Iraq to get parts
> of their bodies blown off and try to kill themselves? Did the liberals?
> Or did the Republicans? Who lied about the reason for the invasion? Was
> it the liberals? Who got us into a war for no reason? Who sent American
> citizens to their deaths?
>
You are confusing issues here.
Going to war and getting rid of saddam, is one thing
Removing a dictator who we can assume would have wanted WMDs. He did
develop a nuclear reactor before (that was the one israel bombed in
1981)
Keeping troops there is something else . That is not removing a
threat. That is trying to bring peace.. That is left wing garbage. As
I said. Bleeding heart liberals that believe in sacrificing for peace
> Let's get straight: Bush lied: there were no weapons of mass
> destruction. Bush wouldn't listen. Or, did he start the war on purpose,
> no matter what the truth was?
>
> It's convenient to say, "Support the troops." Every "troop" is an
> American citizen, perhaps your next-door neighbor, perhaps your sister.
> Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc., have sent them to their deaths, and
> kept them dying. Was it worth it?
>
As I said..
separate getting rid of saddam, with keeping troops in iraq to bring
peace to the arabs.
> Did you, James, volunteer to go to Iraq and get your head blown off? Or
> did you put a yellow Chinese magnet on the back of your car and feel all
> self-righteous and patriotic while other Americans got their brains
> blown out protecting nothing?
>
> Why did Bush, Cheney, and the Republicans in Congress and the Senate
> sent trillions (I said trillions) of our tax dollars down a black hole,
> while American citizens died in Mississippi because their National Guard
> was over in Iraq -- the National Guard who was supposed to help them in
> emergencies?
>
> Who has gotten rich, and continues to get rich on the Iraq war? Do
> Liberals get rich from this war? Is Cheney a liberal? Is his Halliburton
> Company, ripping us off every day, a liberal corporation? Who has the
> appearance of corruption for funneling our tax money to Halliburton?
> Name the liberal who is doing this.
>
> Do you happen to know that Halliburton is so patriotic that they're
> moving their headquarters to Dubai?
>
I don`t look into american political corruption to say who is more
corrupt.. republicans or democrats. But as I said, the staying in
iraq, is left wing.
Most people running for president are out for money and prestige
anyway. Whther they are Left or right.
> James: what the hell goony source are you getting your news from?
>
not the same ones as you get yours from.
Richard Steinfeld
I think that the best thing for me is to just killfile these people and
be done with them. Killing the domains is another option.
R
Krazee Brenda
> Hmmm. The anti-semitic stuff; is this HB?
> I think that the best thing for me is to just killfile these people and
> be done with them. Killing the domains is another option.
>
> R
Good for you. You are a stupid fuck who drains the resources of this
group and gives back what? Your support for an idiot like Goldberg? And
you wonder why people mfg gas chambers and stuff you and yours in them?
The Holocaust was a tragedy because you got more than you gave. That's
what really pisses you off because if the Nazi shoe had been on the Jew
foot, it would have been a holiday.
Like Easter.
But don't worry, you and all the other insane tribesmen in the Middle
East are making up for lost time. of course, the <insert any insane
Middle Easterner>, you are justified !!
Of course you are. *or* are you really, really fucked? For it will be
one or the other. You either killed and now do not support the Messiah
or you and the other insanities have to fight it out to see whose god is
left standing.
Here's the odds. The odds are the Middle East and the majority of its
people are totally fucked.
And that, my jewish fiend, is Justice.
hummingbird
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:26:19 +1100 'Rom'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
[snip]
Rom, I thought you had more intelligence than that. But you've
fallen into the trap of finding what you want to find. In this case,
it's a piece(s) of information in the headers of two posts which
match and now you shout "Eureka...it must be the same poster".
That *may* have been true a few years ago, but not nowadays.
You find what you want to find to justify a theory.
That's what GW Bush did when he found Saddam Hussein's
trucks in the desert and "Eureka, Saddam has mobile WMD labs".
As we know, the truth was very different.
Using freely available s/w, virtually every header can be falsified
or manipulated in any post nowadays. Using freely available s/w,
virtually every header can be falsified or manipulated in any post
nowadays.
I believe you know that but if you don't, please check the headers
of some of the sporge in recent months. They contain falsified IP
addresses, falsified posting hosts and falsified everything else,
such that even the news admins cannot track them down, yet here
are you indirectly claiming to be the world expert! It's a joke.
I have looked at the headers of the original post in this thread and
I do not believe there is any definitive evidence that it was posted
through aioe (which I assume is your theory although you didn't
actually state it). Anybody can inject a header which contains that
information regardless of where they post through.
All your post has done is to feed the goon squad with ammunition
to continue fighting their childish war of control-freakery on ACF
by discrediting their opponents. That's rather ironic given that you
have been lecturing this newsgroup recently about the internal civil
war going on, and here you are adding fuel to it and taking sides.
You may also wish to read my thread to Ron May asking him for an
apology for alleging that I was the recent sporger.
His allegation is now debunked but it shows you how this goon squad
behave when given fragments of information which match what they
want to find. It really is pathetic.
You can join them if you wish. It's your choice.
I will leave it there for now.
hummingbird
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:48:52 +1100 'Rom'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:16:00 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> Rom, I thought you had more intelligence than that.
>
>Thinking - there are three types of people in the world:
> - those who think
> - those who think they think
> - those who are happy to be told how to think
>
>Knowing - there are three types of people in the world:
> - those who know
> - those who think they know
> - those who are happy to be told what they know
>
>Problem - there are three types of people in alt.comp.freeware:
> - those who are the problem
> - those who contribute to the problem
> - those who are neither
>
>If you aren't a part of the solution you're a part of the problem.
That is never automatically true. Beware of this trap:
--
"Group-think is a most severe problem in our society. It is a serious mental disease
that has not been recognized as such. It turns members of a group into believers
and followers of rituals. They believe the group is right and others are wrong.
It reduces communication from the group to outsiders. In serious cases of group-think,
members use force and violence to convince non-believers.
...most individuals are not aware that they suffer from group-think."
http://www.geocities.com/athens/atlantis/4124/group.html
hummingbird
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:48:50 +1100 'Rom'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:44:35 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> That is never automatically true.
>
>Sure it is. I think for myself. I know what I know. I'm on my side.
Non sequitur.
Franklin
wrote:
Mrs Krazee B, I don't really know how to put this politely but the
chambers did not discriminate and, in addition to those who are
Jewish, transvestites like you would also be fed in.
Your seem so irate that your trembling fingers have written random
non sequiturs. Is it worth trying again after your nap?
hummingbird
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:11:24 +1100 'Rom'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:42:08 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> Non sequitur.
>
>Like <e41c32ad87fdfdc2...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
Actually no. On the contrary, that post was totally on topic, and
that probably explains why you responded to it with non sequiturs.
Your choice but I have to say Rom, that your much claimed
neutral agenda is wearing a little thin lately. They always do.
John Corliss
> hummingbird wrote:
>> Rom wrote:
>>> hummingbird wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Non sequitur.
>>> Like <e41c32ad87fdfdc2...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>
>> Actually no. On the contrary, that post was totally on topic
>
> Your post(s) was/are no different than those written by Bear Bottoms,
> Ron May, Franklin or John Corliss. It doesn't matter what's written,
> and in this case nothing was, you all misrepresent or twist things.
Rom, please refresh my memory. What have I done to upset you? And if I
did, was it when you were using this "Rom" nym?
Bear Bottoms
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:39:33 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:11:24 +1100 'Rom'
>> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>>
>>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:42:08 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>>>
>>>> Non sequitur.
>>>
>>> Like <e41c32ad87fdfdc2...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>
>> Actually no. On the contrary, that post was totally on topic
>
> You didn't respond to anything I wrote -- I didn't write anything.
> Your post(s) was/are no different than those written by Bear Bottoms,
> Ron May, Franklin or John Corliss. It doesn't matter what's written,
> and in this case nothing was, you all misrepresent or twist things.
>
I misrepresent nothing...put your /money where your mouth is/.
Bear Bottoms
wrote:
> Rom wrote:
>> hummingbird wrote:
>>> Rom wrote:
>>>> hummingbird wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Non sequitur.
>>>> Like <e41c32ad87fdfdc2...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>>
>>> Actually no. On the contrary, that post was totally on topic
>> You didn't respond to anything I wrote -- I didn't write anything.
>> Your post(s) was/are no different than those written by Bear Bottoms,
>> Ron May, Franklin or John Corliss. It doesn't matter what's written,
>> and in this case nothing was, you all misrepresent or twist things.
>
> Rom, please refresh my memory. What have I done to upset you? And if I
> did, was it when you were using this "Rom" nym?
>
John, your behavior in this group is disgusting to anyone who sees it. It
doesn't have to be direct contact for persons to make such judgements.
hummingbird
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:28:49 +1100 'Rom'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:39:33 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:11:24 +1100 'Rom'
>> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:42:08 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>>>
>>>> Non sequitur.
>>>
>>>Like <e41c32ad87fdfdc2...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>> Actually no. On the contrary, that post was totally on topic
>You didn't respond to anything I wrote -- I didn't write anything.
Well actually you did write something. Go back and check. My
response was based upon what I assumed you intended by your post
and I even mentioned that. Your reply to it was to introduce some
content which I saw as non sequiturs.
If you wish to say now that you did not imply what I inferred from
your first post (that's the one in which you quoted MIDs), please do
so.
>Your post(s) was/are no different than those written by Bear Bottoms,
>Ron May, Franklin or John Corliss. It doesn't matter what's written,
>and in this case nothing was, you all misrepresent or twist things.
See above. You need to clarify what you did mean by your first post,
if indeed you meant anything.
Bear Bottoms
> To me, you're all as bad as each other.
Then you understand the only method of battle in Usenet. The only solution
is truce. The only way to truce is through negotiated agreements. This
requires concessions on both sides. Do you see that happening?
John Corliss
> John Corliss wrote:
>> Rom wrote:
> [...]
>>> You didn't respond to anything I wrote -- I didn't write anything.
>>> Your post(s) was/are no different than those written by Bear Bottoms,
>>> Ron May, Franklin or John Corliss. It doesn't matter what's written,
>>> and in this case nothing was, you all misrepresent or twist things.
By the way, I don't misrepresent or twist things by design like the
trolls do. If I do make mistakes, it's by accident.
>> Rom, please refresh my memory. What have I done to upset you? And if I
>
> "upset"? huh?
Well... you DID put me in the same category as bb.
> I might as well ask: Why did you move the moon and trip the cow?
???
>> did, was it when you were using this "Rom" nym?
>
> And if you did, was it when you were using this "John Corliss" nym?
Touche. However, notice though, that I did not use the phrase "sock
puppet". I used the legitimate word "nym". Lots of people change the
name they post by for legitimate reasons. I was only assuming that, not
sock puppeting on your part.
On my part though, I don't remember posting using anything other than
John Corliss. Correct me if I'm wrong.
hummingbird
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:24:16 +1100 'Rom'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:18:48 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:28:49 +1100 'Rom'
>> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>[...]
>>>You didn't respond to anything I wrote -- I didn't write anything.
>>
>> Well actually you did write something.
>
>No, I did not.
So, are you now claiming that a spoofer posted this:
MID <12xj67adszis9$.w9xbv1ow7q19$.d...@40tude.net>
>> Go back and check.
>
>You should.
I already have.
>> My
>> response was based upon what I assumed you intended by your post
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Your response was what you wanted to write.
I refer you to my previous comment.
If you have a comprehension problem, please say so.
>> your first post (that's the one in which you quoted MIDs),
>
>Yes, copied and pasted from headers posted to this group, and not one
>word did I write.
You posted the MIDs and did so to convey information and meaning.
Why else would you have done that? I mean, people don't usually
get an urge to cut/paste other peoples' MIDs. Do they?
Since you didn't state specifically what your intention was in doing
so, I had to make an assumption based upon the content of your
information. And I stated that. You could easily have responded
by saying (eg) "no, that's not what I meant". But you didn't.
I therefore asked you to clarify what you meant in my last post.
I see below that you are still refusing to do that.
What conclusion should I draw???
>> You need to clarify what you did mean by your first post,
>
>No, I don't need to - there is no invisible ink, no writing between
>the lines, nor writing on the lines by me. WYSIWYG I'm out of crayons.
Translation: you posted several MIDs to draw a connection between
the original post and several posts of mine, but now you haven't got
the courage to admit it. hhmmm.
hummingbird
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:40:38 -0700 'John Corliss'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>Rom wrote:
>> John Corliss wrote:
>>> Rom wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> You didn't respond to anything I wrote -- I didn't write anything.
>>>> Your post(s) was/are no different than those written by Bear Bottoms,
>>>> Ron May, Franklin or John Corliss. It doesn't matter what's written,
>>>> and in this case nothing was, you all misrepresent or twist things.
>
>By the way, I don't misrepresent or twist things by design like the
>trolls do. If I do make mistakes, it's by accident.
That's blatant projection. You're a bare faced liar Corliss.
You post a lot of crap in the certain knowledge that it's false and
unsupported by a scintilla of evidence.
>>> Rom, please refresh my memory. What have I done to upset you? And if I
>>
>> "upset"? huh?
>
>Well... you DID put me in the same category as bb.
>
>> I might as well ask: Why did you move the moon and trip the cow?
>
>???
>
>>> did, was it when you were using this "Rom" nym?
>>
>> And if you did, was it when you were using this "John Corliss" nym?
>
>Touche. However, notice though, that I did not use the phrase "sock
>puppet". I used the legitimate word "nym". Lots of people change the
>name they post by for legitimate reasons. I was only assuming that, not
>sock puppeting on your part.
>
>On my part though, I don't remember posting using anything other than
>John Corliss. Correct me if I'm wrong.
--
Franklin
>
> Actually no. On the contrary, that post was totally on topic, and
> that probably explains why you responded to it with non sequiturs.
>
> Your choice but I have to say Rom, that your much claimed
> neutral agenda is wearing a little thin lately. They always do.
>
I post using the phrase "non sequitur" and a mere seven hours later
Hummingbird remembers to use it too.
Strange because Hummingbird says he doesn't read my posts.
Franklin
>>By the way, I don't misrepresent or twist things by design like the
>>trolls do. If I do make mistakes, it's by accident.
>
> That's blatant projection. You're a bare faced liar Corliss.
>
> You post a lot of crap in the certain knowledge that it's false and
> unsupported by a scintilla of evidence.
>
Any response like this from Humming-Crite is worth discarding.
Lew
"Rom" <-...@-.invalid> wrote in message
news:1f09bwkmewug.1pdmz0dmx0dgq$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:43:05 -0500, Bear Bottoms wrote:
>
>> Then you understand the only method of battle in Usenet. The only
>> solution
>> is truce. The only way to truce is through negotiated agreements.
>> This
>> requires concessions on both sides. Do you see that happening?
>
>
> I think you're going about it the wrong way.
>
> I also think you won't get your way.
>
> --
> Rom
LOL the delusion that General BB is at war with the imaginary cult and a
truce is called for. LOL
Please save some money up BB and buy a clue.
Lew
John Corliss
> (snipped for brevity)
> I've been using the name for years.
Thanks for the explanation.
Bear Bottoms
<Drafted1970nu...@Invalidmail.com> wrote:
> LOL the delusion that General BB is at war with the imaginary cult and a
> truce is called for. LOL
> Please save some money up BB and buy a clue.
>
> Lew
>
Show me where a truce was called for!
Bear Bottoms
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:43:05 -0500, Bear Bottoms wrote:
>
>> Then you understand the only method of battle in Usenet. The only
>> solution
>> is truce. The only way to truce is through negotiated agreements. This
>> requires concessions on both sides. Do you see that happening?
>
> I see you still try to tell me what I supposedly understand or write.
Pity then, I must have over estimated your abilities.
>
> I think you're going about it the wrong way.
I don't like the alternatives...grovel...ew.
>
> I also think you won't get your way.
>
I already have as I choose my way.
hummingbird
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:25:40 +1100 'Rom'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:47:05 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> What conclusion should I draw???
>
>You're peed off that I can post MIDs???
><12xj67adszis9$.w9xbv1ow7q19$.d...@40tude.net>
>
>You're really peed off that I can post MIDs???
><e41c32ad87fdfdc2...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
Peed off? Nope. You obviously don't know me.
>This is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup???
Indeed it is. And it's still true that most people post stuff which
is coherent and has an intended meaning to the intended audience.
You appear to be denying all of that.
hummingbird
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:34:58 +1100 'Rom'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:10:20 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:25:40 +1100 'Rom'
>> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:47:05 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>>>
>>>> What conclusion should I draw???
>>>
>>>You're peed off that I can post MIDs???
>>><12xj67adszis9$.w9xbv1ow7q19$.d...@40tude.net>
>>>
>>>You're really peed off that I can post MIDs???
>>><e41c32ad87fdfdc2...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>
>> Peed off? Nope. You obviously don't know me.
>
>You can draw whatever conclusion you want from my posting the MIDs,
>the same as every person who reads newsgroups can or does.
Indeed. And I did draw a (sort of) conclusion which I explained
to you when I responded. You did not disagree with it.
fwiw - several others also drew the same conclusion and you didn't
disagree with them either.
>>>This is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup???
>>
>> Indeed it is. And it's still true that most people post stuff which
>> is coherent and has an intended meaning to the intended audience.
>>
>> You appear to be denying all of that.
>
>The audience - the readers are the ones that read and interpret.
How profound.
>See this post <1c4e223e795b4552...@localhost.127.0.0.1>,
>where you read from a poster that another poster was a sockpuppeteer
>*and* spoofing abuse to yet another poster, etc.
Indeed. Notice that I quoted Cecil... I wrote...
"Today (Monday) I read from Cecil SeaSerpent that you are the
sockpuppet 'Bare Bosoms' *and* you are spoofing another poster
'Nomen Nescio' to abuse Brenda."
It was my intention when I made that post to make a further post
to summarise those various sockpuppets (and several others) and to
ask Franklin what he has to say about them. I intend to make it
clear that the existence of a particular header is not conclusive
evidence of anything (something none of the dorks afford me btw).
And he has already used ~65 sockpuppets on ACF since July 2007,
a fact which he does not usually deny.
Furthermore, there is more likelyhood IMV of someone faking my
headers to make a post look like mine, than of Franklin's.
>Here's another post <0233341e$0$5093$c3e...@news.astraweb.com> I
>suggest reading with some interesting comments.
That looks like a post from one of our resident dorks iNcReDuLoUs.
He went into my kf months ago and I don't see his posts. If it's
a list of sockpuppets that he claims I've used, then treat it with
great suspicion - or not - as you wish.
He has already posted a list of names on another group which he
claims I use on other groups. Apparently, I am required to obtain
his permission to post on other groups under different names.
I didn't know Usenet was now under the control of fascists.
>What say you? What do the readers think?
>
>You appear to be denying the MIDs I posted are your posts.
I am not in the habit of admitting or denying the endless stream
of allegations which some people produce on this newsgroup. To do
so is to dignify such behaviour. You might as well allege that I
beat my wife twice daily and demand that I answer the allegation
or be found guilty by default by a kangaroo court.
I have already explained to you that manipulating headers is easy
peasy nowadays and things are often not what they appear. Even
Franklin and iNcReDuLoUs indulge in it doncha know. Franklin has
changed the format of his MID 5 times in the past six weeks as
well as sockpuppeting.
fwiw - we have a lot of sockpuppets on ACF and the only ones which
get attention are those who appear not to be on the side of the plw
squad. hhmmm.
Ron May
> What say you? What do the readers think?
The only "posters" who believe anything Hummingbird writes are the
many sock puppets Hummbird creates and the poor forgery attempts he
makes at deliberately spoofing legitimate posters.
His "non-denial denials" are legendary, as are his bizarre claims of
being victimized when someone busts him at his treachery.
He's really not worth reading *or* responding to.
--
Ron M.
(I filter Googlespam)
alt.comp.freeware information pages:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Index.php
hummingbird
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:34:38 -0500 'Ron May'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:34:58 +1100, Rom <-...@-.invalid> wrote:
>
>> What say you? What do the readers think?
>
>The only "posters" who believe anything Hummingbird writes are the
>many sock puppets Hummbird creates and the poor forgery attempts he
>makes at deliberately spoofing legitimate posters.
Now you know why you've lost all credibility on this newsgroup
Ron May. Your behaviour lately on your rigged Vote, now this.
Not satisfied with accusing me of being the ACF sporger for several
months, you don't have the common courtesy of apologising after your
theory was totally debunked. Now, you want to start another of your
crackpot conspiracy theories to distract attention away from your
lack of integrity and to and keep the pot boiling.
Can you spell the word 'shallow'?
Lew *
"Rom" <-...@-.invalid> wrote in message
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:44:58 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> I have already explained to you that manipulating headers is easy
>
>
> --
> Rom
LOL
BigotSpambird says it is so easy. So why does he gets caught everytime?
Lew
Bear Bottoms
Lew *
<Drafted1970...@Invalidmail.com> wrote:
How did you definitively catch him? Show the proof...or are you just
regurgitating someone else who has yet to show definitive proof.
hummingbird
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:55:09 +1100 'Rom'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:44:58 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> I have already explained to you that manipulating headers is easy
>
>It's not every group that has such an expert in their midst.
I can't say but I sure know they exist and I'm sure they're on
your other hangout too (NSR?).
'jon' on this newsgroup used to strip his headers for a long time.
When asked why, he replied: "for security, for vanity and for fun"
--
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.
hummingbird
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:59:52 -0800 'Lew
*'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
Lew, coming from someone who can't even fix his darn posting name
to get rid of the endless spaces, and posts this inflammatory tripe,
that's almost funny:
--
In MID <YbWdnclj8dnYAYba...@comcast.com>
Lew/+Silat wrote:
</q>
"Christians are just Jews gone bad"
</q>
"You are an advertisement for birth control"
<Lew 16th Dec 2007, ACF>
"You sound like that republican of the century, Hitler"
<Lew 17th Dec 2007, ACF>
Ron May
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:44:58 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
> > I have already explained to you that manipulating headers is easy
>
> It's not every group that has such an expert in their midst.
Not that HB would *ever* manipulate headers. :P
Bear Bottoms
> He's really not worth reading *or* responding to.
>
If that is your opinion, why do you do it then?
hummingbird
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:00:38 -0500 'Bear Bottoms'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:59:52 -0500,
>Lew *
><Drafted1970...@Invalidmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Rom" <-...@-.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:xjh92dge433g.ork8nwzaecc0$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:44:58 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have already explained to you that manipulating headers is easy
>>>
>>> It's not every group that has such an expert in their midst.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rom
>>
>> LOL
>> BigotSpambird says it is so easy. So why does he gets caught everytime?
>>
>>
>> Lew
>>
>How did you definitively catch him? Show the proof...or are you just
>regurgitating someone else who has yet to show definitive proof.
Exactly so. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give a single header matched
in two seperate posts a score of no more than 2 of them being the
same poster, even if it was a unique header like an aioe hash.
These days, headers can be changed by a number of news clients
(Agent and Thunderbird etc), NewsProxy and Hamster etc. About
90% control over headers is possible for those who want it and use
news client s/w. And that's ignoring whatever is possible with
NewsMaestro or Hipcrime.
Ron May's *whodunnit* theories are extremely outdated and
inevitably fall down.
hummingbird
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:13:36 -0500 'Ron May'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:55:09 +1100, Rom <-...@-.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:44:58 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>>
>> > I have already explained to you that manipulating headers is easy
>>
>> It's not every group that has such an expert in their midst.
>
>Not that HB would *ever* manipulate headers. :P
Nope. You're wrong Ron. I have done it and I continue to do it.
But that has never been the question has it...and my headers are
there for all to see. You can read them anytime.
Essentially, the issue here under debate is how much confidence
should one have in a single header that you find in a Usenet post.
*You and the usual suspects* are claiming that it is conclusive.
I have been explaining to Rom that it isn't at all, and I've
provided reasons which are indefatigable.
I remind you that only a short while ago you were convinced that
I was the ACF sporger. That theory has been fully debunked.
iNcReDuLoUs
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:55:09 +1100, Rom <-...@-.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:44:58 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>>
>> > I have already explained to you that manipulating headers is easy
>>
>> It's not every group that has such an expert in their midst.
>
> Not that HB would *ever* manipulate headers. :P
The problem for hummingbird is the headers he is UNABLE to manipulate.
Franklin
>
> Exactly so. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give a single header matched
> in two seperate posts a score of no more than 2 of them being the
> same poster, even if it was a unique header like an aioe hash.
> These days, headers can be changed by a number of news clients
> (Agent and Thunderbird etc), NewsProxy and Hamster etc. About
> 90% control over headers is possible for those who want it and use
> news client s/w. And that's ignoring whatever is possible with
> NewsMaestro or Hipcrime.
>
> Ron May's *whodunnit* theories are extremely outdated and
> inevitably fall down.
I'm inclined to agree with Ron May's approach.
I may not agree with every single premise and inference of his but I
think he does rather tend to get it right.
Richard Steinfeld
While you're at it, why not add Brenda to your tag line.
Richard
Krazee Brenda
TROLL ALERT!! RABBLE ROUSER !! CULTINST!! TROLL ALERT!! JEWISH
CONSPIRATOR !!!
--
See Brenda's UniWorldWare
http://tinyurl.com/nm2yt
John Corliss
> John,
> While you're at it, why not add Brenda to your tag line.
Richard, for whatever reason, Brenda usually leaves me alone. Andy
Mabbett however, never misses a chance to snipe at me and is
incorrigibly as well as aggressively doing nothing but stalk-trolling
me. He has only rarely, if ever, posted anything of value to this group.
--
John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to block all crossposts, all posts
from Andy Mabbett, and all Google Groups posts because of Googlespam. No
hummingbird
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:21:34 -0400 'Krazee Brenda'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:44:30 -0700, Richard Steinfeld wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> While you're at it, why not add Brenda to your tag line.
>>
>> Richard
>TROLL ALERT!! RABBLE ROUSER !! CULTINST!! TROLL ALERT!! JEWISH
>CONSPIRATOR !!!
I think Mr Steinfeld was summed up in this thread in January:
Subject:
"Richard STEINFELD: a troll, troublemaker and buddy of Franklin's"
hummingbird
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:28:14 +1100 'Rom'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:07:40 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:55:09 +1100 'Rom'
>> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>>
>>>On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:44:58 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have already explained to you that manipulating headers is easy
>>>
>>>It's not every group that has such an expert in their midst.
>>
>> I can't say but I sure know they exist and I'm sure they're on
>> your other hangout too (NSR?).
>
>There certainly are some in n.s.r who know what they're talking about.
>
>> 'jon' on this newsgroup used to strip his headers for a long time.
>> When asked why, he replied: "for security, for vanity and for fun"
>
>I recall reading that, and already knew how 'jon' was doing it.
Me Too. here's some more of that if you're interested...IIRC the
issue for me at the time was jon's brazen and dishonest assertion
that to find an uncommon header ('uncommon' by his definition of
course) in several posts was sufficient evidence to claim that they
were made by the same poster (especially if the contents of the
posts were politically disagreeable to him), irrespective of which
group they were made on.
*Meanwhile*, he was busy manipulating his own headers to camouflage
who he was, thereby demonstrating that headers cannot be trusted
to reveal anything about the poster and that headers can easily be
manipulated without the user being an expert, because jon certainly
is no tech expert.
>Was that about the time you started playing with headers?
Some while ago, I decided to upgrade my Usenet access. It had
nothing whatsoever to do with jon.
I do not play with headers as you say. I would say Franklin does
that if you judge such action by the number of times he has
changed his MID format in the past 2 months and the number of
sockpuppets he has used over 6-9 months. Of course, I don't
personally see a problem with anybody modifying their headers if
it's for amusement etc, but Franklin does it to bypass killfiles.
As an aside: jon is the only person on ACF (or elsewhere come to
that), that I know who openly admitted to sending sporge in the past
"for fun". It didn't escape my notice that the sporge started on ACF
last Aug/Sep, 7-10 days after jon stopped posting here and he hasn't
been back since.
Of course I wouldn't wish to draw a connection between the two ;-)
hummingbird
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:49:17 +1100 'Rom'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:13:26 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:28:14 +1100 'Rom'
>> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>>
>>>On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:07:40 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>[...]
>>>> 'jon' on this newsgroup used to strip his headers for a long time.
>>>> When asked why, he replied: "for security, for vanity and for fun"
>>>
>>>I recall reading that, and already knew how 'jon' was doing it.
>>
>> Me Too. here's some more of that if you're interested...IIRC [...]
>
>No, I'm not, nor the retelling of it in own words, take, side or
>remembrance of it -- it's in the past, it's history, time to move on.
Fine. But you cannot expect to understand where we are today,
without knowing how we got here. Fact is that jon became a stalker
and although he appears to have moved on, the habit remains in the
form of Franklin.
>>>Was that about the time you started playing with headers?
>>
>> Some while ago, I decided to upgrade my Usenet access. [...]
>>
>> I do not play with headers as you say. [...]
>
>It appears that way to me, as if the novelty of a new toy or
>discovery hasn't worn off yet, and the games being played here.
Then you are misreading reality and confusing me with others.
That's your prerogative.
Franklin
> I do not play with headers as you say. I would say Franklin does
> that if you judge such action by the number of times he has
> changed his MID format in the past 2 months and the number of
> sockpuppets he has used over 6-9 months. Of course, I don't
> personally see a problem with anybody modifying their headers if
> it's for amusement etc, but Franklin does it to bypass killfiles.
Hummingbird, I suggest the best solution is to filter on the word
"Franklin".
I very rarely make changes to my headers to bypass killfiles. One rare
example is when I posted using "Franklin To Hummingbird" just as you
too did for several of your posts earlier this year.
Apart from those rare times, changes I make have nothing to do with
killfiles.
As you know, I don't worry about being in someone's killfile. I don't
make an announcment about who is in or out of my killfile. And I don't
attach much importance to other killfile announcements. Why not try
the same and forget about them?
There must be something more important in this world to worry about
than killfiles.
hummingbird
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:42:18 +1100 'Rom'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:16:39 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:49:17 +1100 'Rom'
>> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>[...]
>>>It appears that way to me, as if the novelty of a new toy or
>>>discovery hasn't worn off yet, and the games being played here.
>>
>> Then you are misreading reality and confusing me with others.
>Reality: Others don't put the contents of your headers that you can
>control there.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but I have already explained
to you that spoofing on Usenet is quite widespread and is increasing
and manipulating/falsifying headers is usually a part of that and is
quite common in its own right anyway.
>Others don't write the contents of your messages that
>you post to this group for you.
They can do, it depends who you mean by "you".
When I see a post in the name of Rom on acf, I have no certainty
that it was written and posted by the same person I am replying to
at this moment irrespective of what the headers contain.
EG: I saw a lot of sporge in the names of regular posters on acf
and other groups.
EG: there's been a few posts this week in the name of Nomen Nescio,
but I do not believe it's the same Nomen Nescio who posts elsewhere.
In fact, you already know who it appears to be and I've posted with
a list of MIDs asking Franklin (or is it Bare Bosoms?) to clarify.
He is (they are) unlikely to do so IMV.
>Others don't write your messages for
>you, which are no better or worse than those you complain about in
>this group.
A subjective view and a sweeping statement which I disagree with.
No poster on ACF has ever written comments (like those quoted below)
to me.
>Others don't make you participate. Others don't control
>you. Others don't continue it for you. You're still playing the game.
And I think you are still playing the game Rom, so it's better that
I bring this debate to an end.
--
comments made to Franklin by a poster on ACF 23-Mar-2008:
"Franklin, once again you have outdone yourself with your malice and
mean-spiritedness. If you were to die today, is this how you would
want to be remembered? You are no longer speaking of an issue, you
are viciously and consciously trying to destroy someone.
No need to reply, btw. I know myself well enough to know that your
behavior makes me want to reply in kind, and I refuse to poison my
own soul because of the evil in yours.
'bye now. I won't be seeing you...."