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The Day the Delusions Died
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Julian
Oct 23, 2023, 11:33:13 AM10/23/23
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A lot of people woke up on October 7 as progressives and went to bed
that night feeling like conservatives. What changed?
When Hamas terrorists crossed over the border with Israel and murdered
1,400 innocent people, they destroyed families and entire communities.
They also shattered long-held delusions in the West.
A friend of mine joked that she woke up on October 7 as a liberal and
went to bed that evening as a 65-year-old conservative. But it wasn’t
really a joke and she wasn’t the only one. What changed?
The best way to answer that question is with the help of Thomas Sowell,
one of the most brilliant public intellectuals alive today. In 1987,
Sowell published A Conflict of Visions. In this now-classic, he offers a
simple and powerful explanation of why people disagree about politics.
We disagree about politics, Sowell argues, because we disagree about
human nature. We see the world through one of two competing visions,
each of which tells a radically different story about human nature.
Those with “unconstrained vision” think that humans are malleable and
can be perfected. They believe that social ills and evils can be
overcome through collective action that encourages humans to behave
better. To subscribers of this view, poverty, crime, inequality, and war
are not inevitable. Rather, they are puzzles that can be solved. We need
only to say the right things, enact the right policies, and spend enough
money, and we will suffer these social ills no more. This worldview is
the foundation of the progressive mindset.
By contrast, those who see the world through a “constrained vision” lens
believe that human nature is a universal constant. No amount of social
engineering can change the sober reality of human self-interest, or the
fact that human empathy and social resources are necessarily scarce.
People who see things this way believe that most political and social
problems will never be “solved”; they can only be managed. This approach
is the bedrock of the conservative worldview.
Hamas’s barbarism—and the explanations and celebrations throughout the
West that followed their orgy of violence—have forced an overnight
exodus from the “unconstrained” camp into the “constrained” one.
cont.
https://www.thefp.com/p/the-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin
that night feeling like conservatives. What changed?
When Hamas terrorists crossed over the border with Israel and murdered
1,400 innocent people, they destroyed families and entire communities.
They also shattered long-held delusions in the West.
A friend of mine joked that she woke up on October 7 as a liberal and
went to bed that evening as a 65-year-old conservative. But it wasn’t
really a joke and she wasn’t the only one. What changed?
The best way to answer that question is with the help of Thomas Sowell,
one of the most brilliant public intellectuals alive today. In 1987,
Sowell published A Conflict of Visions. In this now-classic, he offers a
simple and powerful explanation of why people disagree about politics.
We disagree about politics, Sowell argues, because we disagree about
human nature. We see the world through one of two competing visions,
each of which tells a radically different story about human nature.
Those with “unconstrained vision” think that humans are malleable and
can be perfected. They believe that social ills and evils can be
overcome through collective action that encourages humans to behave
better. To subscribers of this view, poverty, crime, inequality, and war
are not inevitable. Rather, they are puzzles that can be solved. We need
only to say the right things, enact the right policies, and spend enough
money, and we will suffer these social ills no more. This worldview is
the foundation of the progressive mindset.
By contrast, those who see the world through a “constrained vision” lens
believe that human nature is a universal constant. No amount of social
engineering can change the sober reality of human self-interest, or the
fact that human empathy and social resources are necessarily scarce.
People who see things this way believe that most political and social
problems will never be “solved”; they can only be managed. This approach
is the bedrock of the conservative worldview.
Hamas’s barbarism—and the explanations and celebrations throughout the
West that followed their orgy of violence—have forced an overnight
exodus from the “unconstrained” camp into the “constrained” one.
cont.
https://www.thefp.com/p/the-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin
Stephane Guenette
Oct 23, 2023, 12:07:24 PM10/23/23
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On Monday, 23 October 2023 at 08:33:13 UTC-7, Julian wrote:
...
> https://www.thefp.com/p/the-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin
Which one's right?
1. Unconstrained Vision: humans are malleable and can be perfected.
of social engineering can change the sober reality of human self-interest.
...
> https://www.thefp.com/p/the-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin
Which one's right?
1. Unconstrained Vision: humans are malleable and can be perfected.
They believe that social ills and evils can be overcome through collective
action that encourages humans to behave better.
2. Constrained Vision: human nature is a universal constant. No amount
action that encourages humans to behave better.
of social engineering can change the sober reality of human self-interest.
Ned
Oct 23, 2023, 1:35:05 PM10/23/23
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organizations have come out against Israel for defending itself
from a major terrorist attack.
That's kind of "dog bites man" news. I mean, the Jews have
managed to piss off EVERYBODY ELSE in the Middle East
(and arguably the world) for 3,000 years now. And, thanks to
Hamas, they now have carte blanche to annex Gaza, plus
any place else nearby where they can find a terrorist.
As-salamu alaykum! Shalom! Nothing's going to change
any time soon.
It does make me think about the Liberal Agenda. Perhaps the
Left has lost its way, like the Right has lost its way. I have ranted
at length about the Republican party's abdication of its fundamental
basis. (Which, btw, Liz Cheney mentions often.) I am certain that
the most worshipped icons of the Republican party, going back to
Reagan, Nixon, and certainly Lincoln, would detest, abhor, and
reject the current icon of the party, Donald Trump, and declare
whatever this imposter of a party has become, NOT the Republican
Party.
But is that true of the Left, too? What would the icons of the Democrat
party think of the current imposter party bearing its name?
I came across a sentence yesterday, in the NY Review, which I
tracked down. It was made by a woman writer who identifies herself
as a 'philosopher' (not an occupation I come across very often),
commenting in her recent book "Left Is Not Woke" about the left:
---
Now, the New York Times is neither unique nor particularly leftist,
but it does set standards for progressive discourse in more than
one country. What concerns me most here are the ways in which
contemporary voices considered to be progressive have abandoned
the philosophical ideas that are central to any liberal or Left-wing
standpoint: a commitment to universalism over tribalism, a firm
distinction between justice and power, and a belief in the possibility
of progress. All these ideas are connected. The Right may be more
dangerous, but today’s Left has deprived itself of ideas we need
if we hope to resist the lurch to the Right.
---
True?
Ned
liaM
Oct 23, 2023, 3:19:37 PM10/23/23
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large steamship make a turn in the sea. The ideas are there, but not the
will. The good old boy's land of plenty illusion still lives in
Americans's voters imaginations. So why should american veer toward
socialism like is currently commonplace in all of european, China,
russia, etc. countries?
Nothing will change until necessity makes the USA turn towards
socialism's infrastructure. And that may be, never, even as life in
US is starting to resemble life in a third world country. In that
respect, Trump is a detail. America's decaying has to do with the
laissez faire ingrained in Americans's illusions. Trump or Biden as
captains of a wayward steamship won't change matters much.
liaM
Oct 23, 2023, 3:25:38 PM10/23/23
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Has petty crimes increased so much that stores have to keep items
inside glass cabinets, having to ask a store worker to open one in
order to buy a tube of toothpaste? How are the homeless faring in Santa
Rosa? What's the feantanyl death toll there? The drive by shootings?
Julian
Oct 23, 2023, 5:46:10 PM10/23/23
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must needs go that the devil drives.
Noah Sombrero
Oct 23, 2023, 6:19:31 PM10/23/23
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 21:25:37 +0200, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
>On 10/23/2023 9:19 PM, liaM wrote:
>> On 10/23/2023 7:35 PM, Ned wrote:
>On 10/23/2023 9:19 PM, liaM wrote:
>> On 10/23/2023 7:35 PM, Ned wrote:
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Oct 23, 2023, 6:22:48 PM10/23/23
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 21:19:35 +0200, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
>On 10/23/2023 7:35 PM, Ned wrote:
>On 10/23/2023 7:35 PM, Ned wrote:
than any other human administered alternative.
>And that may be, never, even as life in
>US is starting to resemble life in a third world country. In that
>respect, Trump is a detail. America's decaying has to do with the
>laissez faire ingrained in Americans's illusions. Trump or Biden as
>captains of a wayward steamship won't change matters much.
better idea.
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Oct 23, 2023, 6:26:17 PM10/23/23
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 22:46:09 +0100, Julian <julia...@outlook.com>
wrote:
>On 23/10/2023 18:35, Ned wrote:
The preferred goal seems to be to render palestine utterly hamas free,
and then turn it loose. But not as a separate state, ever.
--
Noah Sombrero
wrote:
>On 23/10/2023 18:35, Ned wrote:
and then turn it loose. But not as a separate state, ever.
--
Noah Sombrero
liaM
Oct 23, 2023, 7:14:43 PM10/23/23
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Ned
Oct 24, 2023, 12:20:31 AM10/24/23
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under glass 12 years ago - like teeth whiteners). Homeless are the same
as any city of 180,000. Google "homeless [any city]" and click on images.
It's the same everywhere. I have no idea what fentanyl deaths are, but
the ganja is good. Shootings about the same as pre-covid.
Disappointed?
Ned
Ned
Oct 24, 2023, 12:25:23 AM10/24/23
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devil drives.
You gotta move. When the Lawd gets ready, you gotta move.
Ned
liaM
Oct 24, 2023, 7:43:27 AM10/24/23
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out to eat as often now as ever before. That isn't the case for folks
in L.A. and SF :-(
Ned
Oct 24, 2023, 12:09:51 PM10/24/23
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dinky little peninsula. It's 39% white and 34% asian. But
it gets a lot more press than larger cities. Both San Jose
and San Diego are larger than SF. And of course LA is
about 5 times as large.
As for homelessness, here's homeless in baltimore...
https://www.google.com/search?q=homeless+in+baltimore&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjcxtvohY-CAxV8MEQIHfipA8YQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=homeless+in+baltimore&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQyBwgAEBgQgAQyBwgAEBgQgAQ6BggAEAgQHlDhEljhEmCvIWgAcAB4AIABc4gBwQGSAQMxLjGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=3-g3ZZzbCPzgkPIP-NOOsAw&bih=675&biw=1280&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS1063US1063
homeless in atlanta...
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=576128351&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS1063US1063&q=homeless+in+atlanta&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwip8K7ZhY-CAxUhJH0KHVfgAkMQ0pQJegQICRAB&biw=1280&bih=675&dpr=2
homeless in miami
https://www.google.com/search?q=homeless+in+miami&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiCipy-ho-CAxWSB0QIHSRxCr0Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=homeless+in+miami&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIGCAAQCBAeMgcIABAYEIAEMgcIABAYEIAEMgcIABAYEIAEMgcIABAYEIAEOgcIABCKBRBDUP8JWMo3YKFFaAJwAHgAgAFjiAHWCZIBAjE3mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=kuk3ZYL5G5KPkPIPpOKp6As&bih=675&biw=1280&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS1063US1063
homeless in dallas
https://www.google.com/search?q=homeless+in+dallas&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjU9LKSh4-CAxVvCkQIHRcLDjMQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=homeless+in+dallas&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgYIABAFEB4yBggAEAgQHjIGCAAQCBAeMgcIABAYEIAEMgcIABAYEIAEMgcIABAYEIAEOgcIABCKBRBDUKMSWIUpYL48aABwAHgAgAFNiAGcBpIBAjEymAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=Quo3ZdTLPO-UkPIPl5a4mAM&bih=675&biw=1280&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS1063US1063
And here it is for San Francisco...
https://www.google.com/search?q=homeless+in+san+francisco&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwihz8mnh4-CAxVlAkQIHUKQDioQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=homeless+in+san+francisco&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBggAEAUQHjIGCAAQBRAeMgYIABAFEB4yBggAEAUQHjIGCAAQCBAeMgYIABAIEB46BwgAEIoFEEM6BggAEAcQHjoHCAAQGBCABFCoCFiwMWC7SGgAcAB4AIABUIgBrQqSAQIyMJgBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=b-o3ZeHbGOWEkPIPwqC60AI&bih=675&biw=1280&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS1063US1063
Is there any substantive difference in those 5 image searches?
Ned
gozan
Oct 31, 2023, 10:19:59 AM10/31/23
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On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:35:05 PM UTC-5, Ned wrote:
>
> That's kind of "dog bites man" news. I mean, the Jews have
> managed to piss off EVERYBODY ELSE in the Middle East
> (and arguably the world) for 3,000 years now.
>
Don't you just hate them! Every time anyone uses the word "Jew" or
>
> That's kind of "dog bites man" news. I mean, the Jews have
> managed to piss off EVERYBODY ELSE in the Middle East
> (and arguably the world) for 3,000 years now.
>
"Jews" has left the subject of policy and politics and have gone over
to anti-Semitism.
Noah Sombrero
Oct 31, 2023, 12:34:19 PM10/31/23
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 07:19:58 -0700 (PDT), gozan <pundi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Well not every time. One could say hebrews or israelites I guess, but
the words take more energy to type. I claim the right to say jew
without being anti-semite.
--
Noah Sombrero
wrote:
the words take more energy to type. I claim the right to say jew
without being anti-semite.
--
Noah Sombrero
Ned
Oct 31, 2023, 12:56:04 PM10/31/23
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Ned
Ned
Oct 31, 2023, 1:30:04 PM10/31/23
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me the Rama tapes), think about what you are suggesting.
And please try to implement that. Ie. Try to enforce a general
practice that only Jews can use the word 'Jew'.
This is exactly like the very rigidly inforced practice that only
blacks can use the word nigger (or the more ususal 'nigga').
Black people (Negroes - which, btw, is now considered almost
as offense, viz. Merriam-Webster def: dated, often offensive:
a person of Black African ancestry), use the word widely and
with impunity. If a non-black person in any significant position
of employment uses the word, he will lose his job. And I do
mean 'he'.
Now, take a breath, and listen to this little clip by John Mulaney...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yVhIo2VgRik
Ned
Me
Oct 31, 2023, 3:48:49 PM10/31/23
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On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:19:59 AM UTC-7, gozan wrote:
>
>
> Every time anyone uses the word "Jew" or
> "Jews" has left the subject of policy and politics and have gone over
> to anti-Semitism.
That is just stupid.
> "Jews" has left the subject of policy and politics and have gone over
> to anti-Semitism.
Nobody can keep up with the constant redefining of words as being offensive in someone's imagination..
Unless Jews tell me that they are offended (which they are not) at being called "Jews", i am going to use that word, no matter what any linguistic idiot tells me.
Soon *any* descriptive word, no matter how benign, will be labeled by some fringies as "offensive".
Even the Elongated Muskrat has jumped on that bandwagon, insisting that "cis" is a "heterosexual slur". What an asshole!
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1719077000483066319?s=20
I remember way back, when some whites decided that blacks ought to be offended at being called "black". My black friends unanimously told me that this insinuation itself was offensive: "Don't tell me what should offend me".
Is "tall" offensive yet? How about "intelligent"?
gozan
Oct 31, 2023, 4:00:53 PM10/31/23
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On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:34:19 AM UTC-5, Noah Sombrero wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 07:19:58 -0700 (PDT), gozan <pundi...@gmail.com>
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 07:19:58 -0700 (PDT), gozan <pundi...@gmail.com>
> >Don't you just hate them! Every time anyone uses the word "Jew" or
> >"Jews" has left the subject of policy and politics and have gone over
> >to anti-Semitism.
> >
> Well not every time. One could say hebrews or israelites I guess, but
> the words take more energy to type. I claim the right to say jew
> without being anti-semite.
> --
> Noah Sombrero
>
So, not every time do you hate them. For as long as anti-Semitism has
> >"Jews" has left the subject of policy and politics and have gone over
> >to anti-Semitism.
> >
> Well not every time. One could say hebrews or israelites I guess, but
> the words take more energy to type. I claim the right to say jew
> without being anti-semite.
> --
> Noah Sombrero
>
existed, people have used the word as a pejorative.
gozan
Oct 31, 2023, 4:06:35 PM10/31/23
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On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:30:04 PM UTC-5, Ned wrote:
> This is exactly like the very rigidly inforced practice that only
> blacks can use the word nigger (or the more ususal 'nigga').
> Black people (Negroes - which, btw, is now considered almost
> as offense, viz. Merriam-Webster def: dated, often offensive:
> a person of Black African ancestry), use the word widely and
> with impunity. If a non-black person in any significant position
> of employment uses the word, he will lose his job. And I do
> mean 'he'.
>
> Now, take a breath, and listen to this little clip by John Mulaney...
> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yVhIo2VgRik
>
> Ned
>
Apparently, in your comment you unwittingly dug yourself into a hole,
> This is exactly like the very rigidly inforced practice that only
> blacks can use the word nigger (or the more ususal 'nigga').
> Black people (Negroes - which, btw, is now considered almost
> as offense, viz. Merriam-Webster def: dated, often offensive:
> a person of Black African ancestry), use the word widely and
> with impunity. If a non-black person in any significant position
> of employment uses the word, he will lose his job. And I do
> mean 'he'.
>
> Now, take a breath, and listen to this little clip by John Mulaney...
> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yVhIo2VgRik
>
> Ned
>
appearing to post an old anti-Semitic trope that "Jews are abducting
children to suck out their blood."
Noah Sombrero
Oct 31, 2023, 4:10:37 PM10/31/23
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 12:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Me <bp54...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Oh, yeh. What gives you the right to be smart?
--
Noah Sombrero
wrote:
--
Noah Sombrero
gozan
Oct 31, 2023, 4:20:41 PM10/31/23
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On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:49 PM UTC-5, Me wrote:
>
> That is just stupid.
>
non sequitur
> Nobody can keep up with the constant redefining of words as being
> offensive in someone's imagination..Unless Jews tell me that they
> Even the Elongated Muskrat has jumped on that bandwagon, insisting
> that "cis" is a "heterosexual slur". What an asshole!
> https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1719077000483066319?s=20
>
non sequitur
> I remember way back, when some whites decided that blacks ought to
> be offended at being called "black". My black friends unanimously told
> me that this insinuation itself was offensive: "Don't tell me what should
> offend me".
>
non sequitur
> Is "tall" offensive yet? How about "intelligent"?
>
non sequitur
There is just no excuse for obviously antisemitic remarks to be displayed
on ABSFG.
>
> That is just stupid.
>
non sequitur
> Nobody can keep up with the constant redefining of words as being
> are offended (which they are not) at being called "Jews", i am going
> to use that word, no matter what any linguistic idiot tells me.
> Soon *any* descriptive word, no matter how benign, will be labeled
> by some fringies as "offensive".
>
non sequitur
> to use that word, no matter what any linguistic idiot tells me.
> Soon *any* descriptive word, no matter how benign, will be labeled
> by some fringies as "offensive".
>
> Even the Elongated Muskrat has jumped on that bandwagon, insisting
> that "cis" is a "heterosexual slur". What an asshole!
> https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1719077000483066319?s=20
>
> I remember way back, when some whites decided that blacks ought to
> be offended at being called "black". My black friends unanimously told
> me that this insinuation itself was offensive: "Don't tell me what should
> offend me".
>
> Is "tall" offensive yet? How about "intelligent"?
>
There is just no excuse for obviously antisemitic remarks to be displayed
on ABSFG.
gozan
Oct 31, 2023, 4:52:06 PM10/31/23
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On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 3:10:37 PM UTC-5, Noah Sombrero wrote:
> Oh, yeh. What gives you the right to be smart?
> --
non sequitur
> Oh, yeh. What gives you the right to be smart?
> --
Any time you use a word to describe a group of people in a political conversation
you should be crystal clear your intention, especially when you use the word as a verb.
gozan
Oct 31, 2023, 6:26:40 PM10/31/23
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On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:07:24 AM UTC-5, Stephane Guenette wrote:
>
> Which one's right?
>
The question should be: Whose suffering should command public attention
and sympathy?
>
> Which one's right?
>
The question should be: Whose suffering should command public attention
and sympathy?
gozan
Oct 31, 2023, 6:32:46 PM10/31/23
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On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 2:25:38 PM UTC-5, liaM wrote:
> Have prices at restaurants in Santa Rosa doubled or tripled since Covid?
> Has petty crimes increased so much that stores have to keep items
> inside glass cabinets, having to ask a store worker to open one in
> order to buy a tube of toothpaste? How are the homeless faring in Santa
> Rosa? What's the feantanyl death toll there? The drive by shootings?
>
Homelessness in Santa Rosa is down 20% but it's still a big problem on
> Have prices at restaurants in Santa Rosa doubled or tripled since Covid?
> Has petty crimes increased so much that stores have to keep items
> inside glass cabinets, having to ask a store worker to open one in
> order to buy a tube of toothpaste? How are the homeless faring in Santa
> Rosa? What's the feantanyl death toll there? The drive by shootings?
>
Santa Rosa Creek.
Housing prices are just outrageous! The rent is way to damn high! The
median price of a home is over $725K. It cost over $1800 for a small
studio apartment.
Traffic congestion is out of control and getting worse. There's a state
highway 101 and 12 running right through the middle of town.
Santa Rosa was ranked number 125 out of 150 cities, listed between
Santa Barbara and Salem, Oregon.
Many shops, cafes and businesses downtown folded during the
pandemic. It's just sad.
Juvenile crime is way up. The violent crime rate was higher than the
national average. Your chance of being a victim of violent crime in
Santa Rosa is 1 in 56.
Drugs are rife - meth and fentanyl. Even street vendors are selling
drugs on West Ninth Street, according to the Sonoma Index-Tribune.
Noah Sombrero
Oct 31, 2023, 7:07:54 PM10/31/23
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 15:26:38 -0700 (PDT), gozan <pundi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:07:24?AM UTC-5, Stephane Guenette wrote:
>>
>> Which one's right?
>>
>The question should be: Whose suffering should command public attention
>and sympathy?
Should public attention play favorites?
--
Noah Sombrero
wrote:
>On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:07:24?AM UTC-5, Stephane Guenette wrote:
>>
>> Which one's right?
>>
>The question should be: Whose suffering should command public attention
>and sympathy?
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Oct 31, 2023, 7:10:12 PM10/31/23
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 15:32:45 -0700 (PDT), gozan <pundi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Your town too huh?
--
Noah Sombrero
wrote:
--
Noah Sombrero
gozan
Oct 31, 2023, 7:18:38 PM10/31/23
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On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:10:12 PM UTC-5, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>
> Your town too huh?
>
Used to be. Still have a son and daughter living there; four grand children and
three great grand children too. Thee days I'm more of a desert rat.
>
> Your town too huh?
>
Used to be. Still have a son and daughter living there; four grand children and
three great grand children too. Thee days I'm more of a desert rat.
Me
Oct 31, 2023, 8:01:22 PM10/31/23
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The issue instead is:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:19:59 AM UTC-7, gozan wrote:
>
> Every time anyone uses the word "Jew" or
> "Jews" has left the subject of policy and politics and have gone over
> to anti-Semitism.
gozan
Oct 31, 2023, 8:16:16 PM10/31/23
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On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:01:22 PM UTC-5, Me wrote:
> > Every time anyone uses the word "Jew" or
> > "Jews" has left the subject of policy and politics and have gone over
> > to anti-Semitism.
> >
> THAT statement is just offensive bullshit,
>
The negative overtones of the word "Jew" are fairly universal in the western
> > Every time anyone uses the word "Jew" or
> > "Jews" has left the subject of policy and politics and have gone over
> > to anti-Semitism.
> >
> THAT statement is just offensive bullshit,
>
world. Some are inclined to pin this on the fact that the name of the disciple
who betrayed Jesus was "Judas", but it seems to me more likely that it simply
reflects the despised status of the Jew for centuries.
It's on you to state very clearly that you don't mean offense when you
uses the term. You have failed to do that, so far.
liaM
Oct 31, 2023, 8:28:46 PM10/31/23
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'80s. All of the 18-19 year old kids I befriended at that time died
before their 25th birthdays, 3 guys, one girl. The last time I met up
with her, her face was marked with flesh bubbles and she looked as
down-trodden as any sufferer I've ever encountered since. Downtrodden -
trodden to death by crack cocaine. By the corrupt, racist, unjust
society that was San Francisco, at that time, 1980 onwards. And I had
older black friends, hard enough to survive the racial injustice around
them, survive to live, but. I met the two I knew when released from
long prison terms.
So... what is this about. How does this relate to all white Santa
Rosa, today?
My gut says that the virus is not Covid, not Cancer and obesity.
It's... fill in the blanks.
liaM
Oct 31, 2023, 8:30:02 PM10/31/23
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Noah Sombrero
Oct 31, 2023, 8:32:10 PM10/31/23
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:16:15 -0700 (PDT), gozan <pundi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
That's all it takes to be granted innocence? There do exist racists
who dearly believe themselves to not be such. Because accusation of
racism tend to sap validity from one's beliefs. This cannot be
accepted.
--
Noah Sombrero
wrote:
who dearly believe themselves to not be such. Because accusation of
racism tend to sap validity from one's beliefs. This cannot be
accepted.
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Oct 31, 2023, 8:35:31 PM10/31/23
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 01:28:43 +0100, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
>On 10/31/2023 11:32 PM, gozan wrote:
>On 10/31/2023 11:32 PM, gozan wrote:
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Noah Sombrero
gozan
Oct 31, 2023, 8:56:11 PM10/31/23
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liaM
Oct 31, 2023, 10:13:22 PM10/31/23
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Ned
Nov 1, 2023, 12:42:54 AM11/1/23
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who looked down-trodden as any sufferer ever, what would you do
to prevent her from becoming that way?
Where and how exactly would you prevent her from making the
choices that led her to that ending?
That guy in the Philippines, with the funny name, what was it...
Duterte, yeah, Trump's friend, he just killed them, executed anyone
who sold or used drugs. Would that be your solution?
How do you stop people from doing what they want to do?
Ned
Noah Sombrero
Nov 1, 2023, 7:37:22 AM11/1/23
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:42:53 -0700 (PDT), Ned <ned...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
>On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:28:46?PM UTC-7, liaM wrote:
>> On 10/31/2023 11:32 PM, gozan wrote:
Realize that there is something wrong with the picture.
>Ned
--
Noah Sombrero
wrote:
>On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:28:46?PM UTC-7, liaM wrote:
>> On 10/31/2023 11:32 PM, gozan wrote:
>Ned
--
Noah Sombrero
Wilson
Nov 1, 2023, 9:59:13 AM11/1/23
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But who gets to be the decider of what's offensive?
Do blacks and jews get to decide what's offensive to them, but straight
people don't get to say that CIS is sometimes used a slur?
Is Elon really an asshole for pointing this weirdness out?
liaM
Nov 1, 2023, 10:46:56 AM11/1/23
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renovation of my apartment, but was no wizard at predicting the
future. One of them had dreams of becoming a lawyer, but he died a
wreck. What would I have done, personally. I'd have had them visit the
SF Zen center down 5 blocks from me, but it was too late, Shunryu
Suzuki was already dead. Still, maybe, one of them would've caught on,
gotten the idea, landing, perhaps, as one of the attendants or bakers
at the Zen run Tassajara Bakery.
>
> That guy in the Philippines, with the funny name, what was it...
> Duterte, yeah, Trump's friend, he just killed them, executed anyone
> who sold or used drugs. Would that be your solution?
>
> How do you stop people from doing what they want to do?
>
> Ned
Noah Sombrero
Nov 1, 2023, 10:50:21 AM11/1/23
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 09:59:11 -0400, Wilson <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>On 10/31/2023 3:48 PM, Me wrote:
>On 10/31/2023 3:48 PM, Me wrote:
way the speaker feels about the other person. Or not depending.
So it is that handicapped=otherlyenabled
and
garbageman=sanitary engineer
Fussing about labels misses the point.
>Is Elon really an asshole for pointing this weirdness out?
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Nov 1, 2023, 11:09:16 AM11/1/23
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 15:46:55 +0100, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
>On 11/1/2023 5:42 AM, Ned wrote:
>On 11/1/2023 5:42 AM, Ned wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:28:46?PM UTC-7, liaM wrote:
>>> On 10/31/2023 11:32 PM, gozan wrote:
>>> On 10/31/2023 11:32 PM, gozan wrote:
shown that troubled people get well spontaneously without intervention
as often as they do with therapy (of whatever kind).
And there is no greater testimony to the character of an individual
than having kicked an addiction no matter how they do it. Because,
even if the person dries out in a treatment center and is released
drug free, there is still the challenge every day of knowing how easy
it would be to go back. And there is still everyday life in their
face, day after day.
What's wrong with that? Something, for some people.
I remember the story of the person I knew who tried to quit smoking
many times. He said he would end up dreaming that he had lost his
cigarettes, and he knew that, if he found them in the dream, he was
about to start again. He found them every time, it seems.
>>
>> That guy in the Philippines, with the funny name, what was it...
>> Duterte, yeah, Trump's friend, he just killed them, executed anyone
>> who sold or used drugs. Would that be your solution?
>>
>> How do you stop people from doing what they want to do?
>>
>> Ned
>
>Government for the people by zen masters is the way :)
the job.
--
Noah Sombrero
Julian
Nov 1, 2023, 11:23:54 AM11/1/23
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liaM
Nov 1, 2023, 11:47:27 AM11/1/23
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Ned
Nov 1, 2023, 1:14:26 PM11/1/23
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committing suicide. This happened with a friend of ours 3 years ago.
It just makes you want to cry. Nobody knows why she did it. She was
loved by everyone. And I'm not exagerating in that statement. She
was nice and sincere and sensitive to everyone. She worked as a
teacher in a small school out in the west county (the boonies), and
when covid hit, she had nothing to do. She mentioned that in an email
and I didn't pick up on anything being that wrong. A woman friend of
hers wrote a eulogy poem about her. I overlaid it on a picture I had
taken of her a year or two before...
https://i.postimg.cc/ZKCvn535/Judy-Poem6.jpg
> > That guy in the Philippines, with the funny name, what was it...
> > Duterte, yeah, Trump's friend, he just killed them, executed anyone
> > who sold or used drugs. Would that be your solution?
> >
> > How do you stop people from doing what they want to do?
> >
> > Ned
>
> Government for the people by zen masters is the way :)
>
zen masters should love quantum computing. The qubit has
three states: yes, no, and yes-and-no.
Ned
gozan
Nov 1, 2023, 1:27:12 PM11/1/23
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On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:07:54 PM UTC-5, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>
> Should public attention play favorites?
>
Other questions might be:
>
> Should public attention play favorites?
>
Would you put up posters of innocent people kidnapped and held in tunnels
in Gaza?
Or, tear them down?
Would you put up posters saying SUPPORT PALESTINE without mentioning
those kidnapped?
Or, post to ABSFG calling Israelis "jews"?
Julian
Nov 1, 2023, 1:29:07 PM11/1/23
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gozan
Nov 1, 2023, 1:39:32 PM11/1/23
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On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:35:05 PM UTC-5, Ned wrote:
>
> That's kind of "dog bites man" news. I mean, the Jews have
> managed to piss off EVERYBODY ELSE in the Middle East
> (and arguably the world) for 3,000 years now.
>
They really pissed off the Philistines, Hittites, Assyrians,
Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, the Nazis and all Arabs!
>
> That's kind of "dog bites man" news. I mean, the Jews have
> managed to piss off EVERYBODY ELSE in the Middle East
> (and arguably the world) for 3,000 years now.
>
They really pissed off the Philistines, Hittites, Assyrians,
Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, the Nazis and all Arabs!
Noah Sombrero
Nov 1, 2023, 1:40:30 PM11/1/23
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 10:27:11 -0700 (PDT), gozan <pundi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:07:54?PM UTC-5, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>
>> Should public attention play favorites?
>>
>Other questions might be:
>
>Would you put up posters of innocent people kidnapped and held in tunnels
>in Gaza?
>
>Or, tear them down?
Neither.
>Would you put up posters saying SUPPORT PALESTINE without mentioning
>those kidnapped?
It happens with both sides. They tell of their suffering without
mentioning the suffering of others. All war is propaganda war.
>Or, post to ABSFG calling Israelis "jews"?
I claim that right without prejudice. Although I have done it both
ways, depending on my fingers.
--
Noah Sombrero
wrote:
>On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:07:54?PM UTC-5, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>
>> Should public attention play favorites?
>>
>Other questions might be:
>
>Would you put up posters of innocent people kidnapped and held in tunnels
>in Gaza?
>
>Or, tear them down?
>Would you put up posters saying SUPPORT PALESTINE without mentioning
>those kidnapped?
mentioning the suffering of others. All war is propaganda war.
>Or, post to ABSFG calling Israelis "jews"?
ways, depending on my fingers.
--
Noah Sombrero
gozan
Nov 1, 2023, 1:43:03 PM11/1/23
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On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:30:04 PM UTC-5, Ned wrote:
>
> Gozan (and I hope you're the Gozan of 20 years ago who sent
> me the Rama tapes), think about what you are suggesting.
>
You're probably thinking of the TurquoiseB, Ned.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.buddha.short.fat.guy/c/1t8e0336ki4/m/hqF3P_xaSxcJ
>
> Gozan (and I hope you're the Gozan of 20 years ago who sent
> me the Rama tapes), think about what you are suggesting.
>
You're probably thinking of the TurquoiseB, Ned.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.buddha.short.fat.guy/c/1t8e0336ki4/m/hqF3P_xaSxcJ
Julian
Nov 1, 2023, 1:56:49 PM11/1/23
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gozan
Nov 1, 2023, 2:04:17 PM11/1/23
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On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:49 PM UTC-5, Me wrote:
> Is "tall" offensive yet? How about "intelligent"?
>
The moderator of this group doesn't approve of anyone using
>
the terms "jews", kykes, frogs, limey, spics, krauts, wops, chinks,
japs, or niggers on this newsgroup.
You could get banned or at least labeled as a bigot for doing so.
Your call.
Ned
Nov 1, 2023, 2:53:03 PM11/1/23
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I have an email from 1996 where I mention in reply to something
Mary forwarded to me from the group that he was the guy "sent me
the 4 Rama tapes".
And of course there is that link you posted, from 1998, where he
gives that fair and somewhat detailed discussion of Rama (Lenz).
Ned
Ned
Nov 1, 2023, 2:56:39 PM11/1/23
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between the Romans and Nazis in which the Jews didn't slacken
"pissing off" efforts.
Ned
Julian
Nov 1, 2023, 3:24:04 PM11/1/23
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of time and space has been transcended
Noah Sombrero
Nov 1, 2023, 3:29:18 PM11/1/23
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 19:24:01 +0000, Julian <julia...@outlook.com>
wrote:
>On 01/11/2023 18:56, Ned wrote:
parochial. Einstein would be surprised.
--
Noah Sombrero
wrote:
>On 01/11/2023 18:56, Ned wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:56:49?AM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2023 17:39, gozan wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2023 17:39, gozan wrote:
>>>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:35:05?PM UTC-5, Ned wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That's kind of "dog bites man" news. I mean, the Jews have
>>>>> managed to piss off EVERYBODY ELSE in the Middle East
>>>>> (and arguably the world) for 3,000 years now.
>>>>>
>>>> They really pissed off the Philistines, Hittites, Assyrians,
>>>> Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, the Nazis and all Arabs!
>>>
>>> That list needs the modern Leftwaffe.
>>>
>>
>> And it could be quite a bit longer. There is a large time span
>> between the Romans and Nazis in which the Jews didn't slacken
>> "pissing off" efforts.
>
>Yes, but with the Leftwaffe the parochialism
>of time and space has been transcended
Oh dear, the left has become transcendent. And time and space is
>>>>>
>>>>> That's kind of "dog bites man" news. I mean, the Jews have
>>>>> managed to piss off EVERYBODY ELSE in the Middle East
>>>>> (and arguably the world) for 3,000 years now.
>>>>>
>>>> They really pissed off the Philistines, Hittites, Assyrians,
>>>> Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, the Nazis and all Arabs!
>>>
>>> That list needs the modern Leftwaffe.
>>>
>>
>> And it could be quite a bit longer. There is a large time span
>> between the Romans and Nazis in which the Jews didn't slacken
>> "pissing off" efforts.
>
>Yes, but with the Leftwaffe the parochialism
>of time and space has been transcended
parochial. Einstein would be surprised.
--
Noah Sombrero
liaM
Nov 1, 2023, 3:41:26 PM11/1/23
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Ned
Nov 1, 2023, 3:42:15 PM11/1/23
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"parochialism of time and space has been transcended" appears
to be unique in the internet (ie. not hits). We do have this, however...
---
Minimalism begets practicism, and practicism legitimizes minimalism.
Again, it challenges the imagination to envision minimalism and
practicism as having the strength to bend the spine of legal education.
Except that to their assistance comes parochialism. Parochialism in
legal education is what healthy cultural self-confidence degenerates
into, especially in environments plagued by practicism and minimalism.
Parochialism is of two types: parochialism of space and parochialism
of time. What unifies the two types is shrinkage. In parochialism, the
geographical, historical, institutional, practical, and intellectual
dimensions of law are all imagined to be smaller than they actually
are. For an example of parochialism of space, turn to the United States
where, in the middle of the twentieth century, the country and allies
emerged victorious from World War II...
https://lira.bc.edu/files/pdf?fileid=da88e6d8-844f-4a31-b733-a382ec447c2d
---
Does your head hurt yet?
Ned
Noah Sombrero
Nov 1, 2023, 3:48:16 PM11/1/23
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 12:42:14 -0700 (PDT), Ned <ned...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
>On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:24:04?PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>> On 01/11/2023 18:56, Ned wrote:
Not enough coffee maybe.
>Ned
--
Noah Sombrero
wrote:
>On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:24:04?PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>> On 01/11/2023 18:56, Ned wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:56:49?AM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>> >> On 01/11/2023 17:39, gozan wrote:
>> >> On 01/11/2023 17:39, gozan wrote:
>Ned
--
Noah Sombrero
Ned
Nov 1, 2023, 3:50:54 PM11/1/23
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On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:48:16 PM UTC-7, Noah Sombrero wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 12:42:14 -0700 (PDT), Ned <ned...@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:24:04?PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
> >> On 01/11/2023 18:56, Ned wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:56:49?AM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
> >> >> On 01/11/2023 17:39, gozan wrote:
> >> >>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:35:05?PM UTC-5, Ned wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> That's kind of "dog bites man" news. I mean, the Jews have
> >> >>>> managed to piss off EVERYBODY ELSE in the Middle East
> >> >>>> (and arguably the world) for 3,000 years now.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> They really pissed off the Philistines, Hittites, Assyrians,
> >> >>> Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, the Nazis and all Arabs!
> >> >>
> >> >> That list needs the modern Leftwaffe.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > And it could be quite a bit longer. There is a large time span
> >> > between the Romans and Nazis in which the Jews didn't slacken
> >> > "pissing off" efforts.
> >>
> >> Yes, but with the Leftwaffe the parochialism
> >> of time and space has been transcended
> >>
> >
> >Wow.
> >
> >"parochialism of time and space has been transcended" appears
> >to be unique in the internet (ie. no hits). We do have this, however...
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 12:42:14 -0700 (PDT), Ned <ned...@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:24:04?PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
> >> On 01/11/2023 18:56, Ned wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:56:49?AM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
> >> >> On 01/11/2023 17:39, gozan wrote:
> >> >>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:35:05?PM UTC-5, Ned wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> That's kind of "dog bites man" news. I mean, the Jews have
> >> >>>> managed to piss off EVERYBODY ELSE in the Middle East
> >> >>>> (and arguably the world) for 3,000 years now.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> They really pissed off the Philistines, Hittites, Assyrians,
> >> >>> Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, the Nazis and all Arabs!
> >> >>
> >> >> That list needs the modern Leftwaffe.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > And it could be quite a bit longer. There is a large time span
> >> > between the Romans and Nazis in which the Jews didn't slacken
> >> > "pissing off" efforts.
> >>
> >> Yes, but with the Leftwaffe the parochialism
> >> of time and space has been transcended
> >>
> >
> >Wow.
> >
> >"parochialism of time and space has been transcended" appears
> >
> >---
> >Minimalism begets practicism, and practicism legitimizes minimalism.
> >Again, it challenges the imagination to envision minimalism and
> >practicism as having the strength to bend the spine of legal education.
> >Except that to their assistance comes parochialism. Parochialism in
> >legal education is what healthy cultural self-confidence degenerates
> >into, especially in environments plagued by practicism and minimalism.
> >Parochialism is of two types: parochialism of space and parochialism
> >of time. What unifies the two types is shrinkage. In parochialism, the
> >geographical, historical, institutional, practical, and intellectual
> >dimensions of law are all imagined to be smaller than they actually
> >are. For an example of parochialism of space, turn to the United States
> >where, in the middle of the twentieth century, the country and allies
> >emerged victorious from World War II...
> >https://lira.bc.edu/files/pdf?fileid=da88e6d8-844f-4a31-b733-a382ec447c2d
> >---
> >
> >Does your head hurt yet?
>
> Not enough coffee maybe.
> --
> >---
> >Minimalism begets practicism, and practicism legitimizes minimalism.
> >Again, it challenges the imagination to envision minimalism and
> >practicism as having the strength to bend the spine of legal education.
> >Except that to their assistance comes parochialism. Parochialism in
> >legal education is what healthy cultural self-confidence degenerates
> >into, especially in environments plagued by practicism and minimalism.
> >Parochialism is of two types: parochialism of space and parochialism
> >of time. What unifies the two types is shrinkage. In parochialism, the
> >geographical, historical, institutional, practical, and intellectual
> >dimensions of law are all imagined to be smaller than they actually
> >are. For an example of parochialism of space, turn to the United States
> >where, in the middle of the twentieth century, the country and allies
> >emerged victorious from World War II...
> >https://lira.bc.edu/files/pdf?fileid=da88e6d8-844f-4a31-b733-a382ec447c2d
> >---
> >
> >Does your head hurt yet?
>
> Not enough coffee maybe.
> Noah Sombrero
>
I don't know. Crap like that is just a waste of trees.
Ned
Julian
Nov 1, 2023, 3:59:07 PM11/1/23
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Why are you still carrying Brexit?
Noah Sombrero
Nov 1, 2023, 4:08:27 PM11/1/23
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 19:59:04 +0000, Julian <julia...@outlook.com>
wrote:
>On 01/11/2023 19:41, liaM wrote:
>> On 11/1/2023 6:29 PM, Julian wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2023 15:47, liaM wrote:
>>>> On 11/1/2023 4:23 PM, Julian wrote:
>>>>> On 01/11/2023 14:46, liaM wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/1/2023 5:42 AM, Ned wrote:
It is still too much fun to forbear reminding you.
--
Noah Sombrero
wrote:
>On 01/11/2023 19:41, liaM wrote:
>> On 11/1/2023 6:29 PM, Julian wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2023 15:47, liaM wrote:
>>>> On 11/1/2023 4:23 PM, Julian wrote:
>>>>> On 01/11/2023 14:46, liaM wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/1/2023 5:42 AM, Ned wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:28:46?PM UTC-7, liaM wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2023 11:32 PM, gozan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2023 11:32 PM, gozan wrote:
--
Noah Sombrero
gozan
Nov 1, 2023, 6:47:00 PM11/1/23
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On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 1:53:03 PM UTC-5, Ned wrote:
> > You're probably thinking of the TurquoiseB, Ned.
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.buddha.short.fat.guy/c/1t8e0336ki4/m/hqF3P_xaSxcJ
> >
> By god, you're right. Thanks. Yes, Shoki (Barry Wright, TurquoiseB).
> I have an email from 1996 where I mention in reply to something
> Mary forwarded to me from the group that he was the guy "sent me
> the 4 Rama tapes".
>
> And of course there is that link you posted, from 1998, where he
> gives that fair and somewhat detailed discussion of Rama (Lenz).
>
AKA Uncle Tantra.
> > You're probably thinking of the TurquoiseB, Ned.
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.buddha.short.fat.guy/c/1t8e0336ki4/m/hqF3P_xaSxcJ
> >
> By god, you're right. Thanks. Yes, Shoki (Barry Wright, TurquoiseB).
> I have an email from 1996 where I mention in reply to something
> Mary forwarded to me from the group that he was the guy "sent me
> the 4 Rama tapes".
>
> And of course there is that link you posted, from 1998, where he
> gives that fair and somewhat detailed discussion of Rama (Lenz).
>
liaM
Nov 1, 2023, 8:39:28 PM11/1/23
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Me
Nov 1, 2023, 9:33:07 PM11/1/23
to
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:59:13 AM UTC-7, Wilson wrote:
> On 10/31/2023 3:48 PM, Me wrote:
If straight people are not offended by "cis" (i'm not, and i have never heard of anyone that is), who has the right to tell them that they ought to be?
Any word can be used as a slur by any asshole. But if the target does not accept the offense, it just bounces back.
In Munich, Germany, the worst offensive label is to call someone a "Prussian", but the real Prussians just laugh and are not offended.
So, yes. Elon is really an asshole for trying to rile people up over a non-issue.
> On 10/31/2023 3:48 PM, Me wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:19:59 AM UTC-7, gozan wrote:
> >>
> >> Every time anyone uses the word "Jew" or
> >> "Jews" has left the subject of policy and politics and have gone over
> >> to anti-Semitism.
> >
> > That is just stupid.
> > Nobody can keep up with the constant redefining of words as being offensive in someone's imagination..
> > Unless Jews tell me that they are offended (which they are not) at being called "Jews", i am going to use that word, no matter what any linguistic idiot tells me.
> > Soon *any* descriptive word, no matter how benign, will be labeled by some fringies as "offensive".
> > Even the Elongated Muskrat has jumped on that bandwagon, insisting that "cis" is a "heterosexual slur". What an asshole!
> > https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1719077000483066319?s=20
> >
> > I remember way back, when some whites decided that blacks ought to be offended at being called "black". My black friends unanimously told me that this insinuation itself was offensive: "Don't tell me what should offend me".
> >
> >>
> >> Every time anyone uses the word "Jew" or
> >> "Jews" has left the subject of policy and politics and have gone over
> >> to anti-Semitism.
> >
> > That is just stupid.
> > Nobody can keep up with the constant redefining of words as being offensive in someone's imagination..
> > Unless Jews tell me that they are offended (which they are not) at being called "Jews", i am going to use that word, no matter what any linguistic idiot tells me.
> > Soon *any* descriptive word, no matter how benign, will be labeled by some fringies as "offensive".
> > Even the Elongated Muskrat has jumped on that bandwagon, insisting that "cis" is a "heterosexual slur". What an asshole!
> > https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1719077000483066319?s=20
> >
> > I remember way back, when some whites decided that blacks ought to be offended at being called "black". My black friends unanimously told me that this insinuation itself was offensive: "Don't tell me what should offend me".
> >
> > Is "tall" offensive yet? How about "intelligent"?
> I agree with you on the constant redefining of words.
>
> But who gets to be the decider of what's offensive?
>
> Do blacks and jews get to decide what's offensive to them, but straight
> people don't get to say that CIS is sometimes used a slur?
>
>
> But who gets to be the decider of what's offensive?
>
> Do blacks and jews get to decide what's offensive to them, but straight
> people don't get to say that CIS is sometimes used a slur?
>
> Is Elon really an asshole for pointing this weirdness out?
If Blacks and Jews say that they are *not* offended, who has the right to tell them that they ought to be?
If straight people are not offended by "cis" (i'm not, and i have never heard of anyone that is), who has the right to tell them that they ought to be?
Any word can be used as a slur by any asshole. But if the target does not accept the offense, it just bounces back.
In Munich, Germany, the worst offensive label is to call someone a "Prussian", but the real Prussians just laugh and are not offended.
So, yes. Elon is really an asshole for trying to rile people up over a non-issue.
Wilson
Nov 2, 2023, 9:34:21 AM11/2/23
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Wilson
Nov 2, 2023, 9:35:48 AM11/2/23
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still can.
Ned
Nov 2, 2023, 11:04:25 AM11/2/23
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1. Hillbillies are generally not terribly offended by being called rednecks.
2. The Irish do not manifest significant umbrage at being called drunks.
3. My Mother used to call my Father a "Limey Bastard." I would say to
my Mom, "How's that an insult? They conquered the world!"
4. I can be mistaken, but Orientals methinks can take jokes about beings
chinks who have slanted eyes, who eat with chopsticks and who slurp
wet noogies faster than a speeding bullet.
5. Catholics generally are not offended by being called papists.
6. Whites generally are not offended by being called honkies.
7. Liberals generally are not offended by being called jew-lovers or
n*****-lovers, although they may be offended by the hatred with
which those terms are spewed.
8. Blondes for being characterised as dumb.
9. "Canuck" was originally a slur that we just wound up liking.
10. Newfies generally don't find newfie jokes, or being called
newfies, very objectionable.
11. Men are not generally offended by the jocular contempt for
them that women often express.
Ned
Noah Sombrero
Nov 2, 2023, 11:11:46 AM11/2/23
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On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 09:35:47 -0400, Wilson <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>On 11/1/2023 2:04 PM, gozan wrote:
>On 11/1/2023 2:04 PM, gozan wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:49?PM UTC-5, Me wrote:
>>
>>> Is "tall" offensive yet? How about "intelligent"?
>>>
>> The moderator of this group doesn't approve of anyone using
>> the terms "jews", kykes, frogs, limey, spics, krauts, wops, chinks,
>> japs, or niggers on this newsgroup.
>>
>> You could get banned or at least labeled as a bigot for doing so.
>>
>> Your call.
>
>Mayoface and cis breeder are still okay. Get your slurs in while you
>still can.
>
>
wadaboutery. The perfect excuse. It does not require one to admit
>>
>>> Is "tall" offensive yet? How about "intelligent"?
>>>
>> The moderator of this group doesn't approve of anyone using
>> the terms "jews", kykes, frogs, limey, spics, krauts, wops, chinks,
>> japs, or niggers on this newsgroup.
>>
>> You could get banned or at least labeled as a bigot for doing so.
>>
>> Your call.
>
>Mayoface and cis breeder are still okay. Get your slurs in while you
>still can.
>
>
anything or cease doing anything. It does not invite comparison of
relative damage since one has admitted nothing.
Poof...your target is tarred and you are scott free. How divine.
--
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Nov 2, 2023, 11:16:17 AM11/2/23
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On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 08:04:24 -0700 (PDT), Ned <ned...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
>On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:33:07?PM UTC-7, Me wrote:
And paddywagon has faded away since cops don't use them much any more
as far as I can tell.
>
>3. My Mother used to call my Father a "Limey Bastard." I would say to
> my Mom, "How's that an insult? They conquered the world!"
>
>4. I can be mistaken, but Orientals methinks can take jokes about beings
> chinks who have slanted eyes, who eat with chopsticks and who slurp
> wet noogies faster than a speeding bullet.
>
>5. Catholics generally are not offended by being called papists.
>
>6. Whites generally are not offended by being called honkies.
>
>7. Liberals generally are not offended by being called jew-lovers or
> n*****-lovers, although they may be offended by the hatred with
> which those terms are spewed.
>
>8. Blondes for being characterised as dumb.
>
>9. "Canuck" was originally a slur that we just wound up liking.
>
>10. Newfies generally don't find newfie jokes, or being called
> newfies, very objectionable.
>
>11. Men are not generally offended by the jocular contempt for
> them that women often express.
>
>Ned
--
Noah Sombrero
wrote:
>On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:33:07?PM UTC-7, Me wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:59:13?AM UTC-7, Wilson wrote:
>> > On 10/31/2023 3:48 PM, Me wrote:
>> > On 10/31/2023 3:48 PM, Me wrote:
as far as I can tell.
>
>3. My Mother used to call my Father a "Limey Bastard." I would say to
> my Mom, "How's that an insult? They conquered the world!"
>
>4. I can be mistaken, but Orientals methinks can take jokes about beings
> chinks who have slanted eyes, who eat with chopsticks and who slurp
> wet noogies faster than a speeding bullet.
>
>5. Catholics generally are not offended by being called papists.
>
>6. Whites generally are not offended by being called honkies.
>
>7. Liberals generally are not offended by being called jew-lovers or
> n*****-lovers, although they may be offended by the hatred with
> which those terms are spewed.
>
>8. Blondes for being characterised as dumb.
>
>9. "Canuck" was originally a slur that we just wound up liking.
>
>10. Newfies generally don't find newfie jokes, or being called
> newfies, very objectionable.
>
>11. Men are not generally offended by the jocular contempt for
> them that women often express.
>
>Ned
Noah Sombrero
Ned
Nov 2, 2023, 11:35:52 AM11/2/23
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On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:33:07 PM UTC-7, Me wrote:
Marquis Bey states that "proto-cisgender discourse" arose in German
in 1914, when Ernst Burchard introduced the cis/trans distinction to
sexology by contrasting "cisvestitismus, or a type of inclination to
wear gender-conforming clothing, [...] with transvestitismus, or
cross-dressing."[8][9] German sexologist Volkmar Sigusch stated in
1998 that he coined the term cissexual (zissexuell in German) in his
two-part 1991 article "Die Transsexuellen und unser nosomorpher
Blick" ("Transsexuals and our nosomorphic view").[10]
Coinage
The term cisgender itself was coined in English in 1994 in a Usenet
newsgroup about transgender topics[11] as Dana Defosse, then a
graduate student, sought a way to refer to non-transgender people
that avoided marginalizing transgender people or implying that
transgender people were an other.[12] Correspondingly, some trans
activists argued that using terms such as man or woman to mean
cis man or cis woman reinforced cisnormativity, and that instead
using the prefix cis similarly to trans would counteract the
cisnormative connotations within language.
Ned
(It WOULD be the Germans that started it.)
Karlok B
Nov 3, 2023, 10:26:43 AM11/3/23
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Op donderdag 2 november 2023 om 02:33:07 UTC+1 schreef Me:
https://i.imgur.com/DOuH9F7.png
The trans movement is not about rights for a tiny minority group, it's about a cultural revolution to replace biological sex by gender. In the best postmodern way they change the meaning of words to change reality and create confusion.
> who has the right to tell them that they ought to be?
>
> Any word can be used as a slur by any asshole. But if the target does not accept the offense, it just bounces back.
> In Munich, Germany, the worst offensive label is to call someone a "Prussian", but the real Prussians just laugh and are not offended.
>
> So, yes. Elon is really an asshole for trying to rile people up over a non-issue.
You don't know Twitter if you believe it's a non-issue. Before Elon took over, your account could be suspended if you tweeted some simple fact like "transwomen are men".
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:59:13 AM UTC-7, Wilson wrote:
> > On 10/31/2023 3:48 PM, Me wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:19:59 AM UTC-7, gozan wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Every time anyone uses the word "Jew" or
> > >> "Jews" has left the subject of policy and politics and have gone over
> > >> to anti-Semitism.
> > >
> > > That is just stupid.
> > > Nobody can keep up with the constant redefining of words as being offensive in someone's imagination..
> > > Unless Jews tell me that they are offended (which they are not) at being called "Jews", i am going to use that word, no matter what any linguistic idiot tells me.
> > > Soon *any* descriptive word, no matter how benign, will be labeled by some fringies as "offensive".
> > > Even the Elongated Muskrat has jumped on that bandwagon, insisting that "cis" is a "heterosexual slur". What an asshole!
> > > https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1719077000483066319?s=20
> > >
> > > I remember way back, when some whites decided that blacks ought to be offended at being called "black". My black friends unanimously told me that this insinuation itself was offensive: "Don't tell me what should offend me".
> > >
> > > Is "tall" offensive yet? How about "intelligent"?
> > I agree with you on the constant redefining of words.
> >
> > But who gets to be the decider of what's offensive?
> >
> > Do blacks and jews get to decide what's offensive to them, but straight
> > people don't get to say that CIS is sometimes used a slur?
> >
> > Is Elon really an asshole for pointing this weirdness out?
> If Blacks and Jews say that they are *not* offended, who has the right to tell them that they ought to be?
> If straight people are not offended by "cis" (i'm not, and i have never heard of anyone that is),
I'm text on a screen, so I don't know if I count but I strongly object to the word "cis". And I am certainly not the only one. We are women, not cis women. Cis is used to imply trans and cis are equal subcategories of women. It also annoys the hell out of me when the words "woman" and "mother" are replaced by denigrating terms like natal females, bleeders, menstruators, chestfeeders, birthing parents, postnatal people, vagina owners, bodies with vaginas, non-trans persons, non-men. When organisations don't use the word "woman" anymore in their documents they've been captured. Next step: Trans women are better women. Just look at this well-known TRA and his T-shirt.
> > On 10/31/2023 3:48 PM, Me wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:19:59 AM UTC-7, gozan wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Every time anyone uses the word "Jew" or
> > >> "Jews" has left the subject of policy and politics and have gone over
> > >> to anti-Semitism.
> > >
> > > That is just stupid.
> > > Nobody can keep up with the constant redefining of words as being offensive in someone's imagination..
> > > Unless Jews tell me that they are offended (which they are not) at being called "Jews", i am going to use that word, no matter what any linguistic idiot tells me.
> > > Soon *any* descriptive word, no matter how benign, will be labeled by some fringies as "offensive".
> > > Even the Elongated Muskrat has jumped on that bandwagon, insisting that "cis" is a "heterosexual slur". What an asshole!
> > > https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1719077000483066319?s=20
> > >
> > > I remember way back, when some whites decided that blacks ought to be offended at being called "black". My black friends unanimously told me that this insinuation itself was offensive: "Don't tell me what should offend me".
> > >
> > > Is "tall" offensive yet? How about "intelligent"?
> > I agree with you on the constant redefining of words.
> >
> > But who gets to be the decider of what's offensive?
> >
> > Do blacks and jews get to decide what's offensive to them, but straight
> > people don't get to say that CIS is sometimes used a slur?
> >
> > Is Elon really an asshole for pointing this weirdness out?
> If Blacks and Jews say that they are *not* offended, who has the right to tell them that they ought to be?
> If straight people are not offended by "cis" (i'm not, and i have never heard of anyone that is),
https://i.imgur.com/DOuH9F7.png
The trans movement is not about rights for a tiny minority group, it's about a cultural revolution to replace biological sex by gender. In the best postmodern way they change the meaning of words to change reality and create confusion.
> who has the right to tell them that they ought to be?
>
> Any word can be used as a slur by any asshole. But if the target does not accept the offense, it just bounces back.
> In Munich, Germany, the worst offensive label is to call someone a "Prussian", but the real Prussians just laugh and are not offended.
>
> So, yes. Elon is really an asshole for trying to rile people up over a non-issue.
Noah Sombrero
Nov 3, 2023, 10:50:44 AM11/3/23
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On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 07:26:41 -0700 (PDT), Karlok B
<popper...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Op donderdag 2 november 2023 om 02:33:07 UTC+1 schreef Me:
<popper...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Op donderdag 2 november 2023 om 02:33:07 UTC+1 schreef Me:
>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:59:13?AM UTC-7, Wilson wrote:
>> > On 10/31/2023 3:48 PM, Me wrote:
>> > On 10/31/2023 3:48 PM, Me wrote:
>> > > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:19:59?AM UTC-7, gozan wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Every time anyone uses the word "Jew" or
>> > >> "Jews" has left the subject of policy and politics and have gone over
>> > >> to anti-Semitism.
>> > >
>> > > That is just stupid.
>> > > Nobody can keep up with the constant redefining of words as being offensive in someone's imagination..
>> > > Unless Jews tell me that they are offended (which they are not) at being called "Jews", i am going to use that word, no matter what any linguistic idiot tells me.
>> > > Soon *any* descriptive word, no matter how benign, will be labeled by some fringies as "offensive".
>> > > Even the Elongated Muskrat has jumped on that bandwagon, insisting that "cis" is a "heterosexual slur". What an asshole!
>> > > https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1719077000483066319?s=20
>> > >
>> > > I remember way back, when some whites decided that blacks ought to be offended at being called "black". My black friends unanimously told me that this insinuation itself was offensive: "Don't tell me what should offend me".
>> > >
>> > > Is "tall" offensive yet? How about "intelligent"?
>> > I agree with you on the constant redefining of words.
>> >
>> > But who gets to be the decider of what's offensive?
>> >
>> > Do blacks and jews get to decide what's offensive to them, but straight
>> > people don't get to say that CIS is sometimes used a slur?
>> >
>> > Is Elon really an asshole for pointing this weirdness out?
>> If Blacks and Jews say that they are *not* offended, who has the right to tell them that they ought to be?
>> If straight people are not offended by "cis" (i'm not, and i have never heard of anyone that is),
>
>I'm text on a screen, so I don't know if I count but I strongly object to the word "cis". And I am certainly not the only one. We are women, not cis women. Cis is used to imply trans and cis are equal subcategories of women. It also annoys the hell out of me when the words "woman" and "mother" are replaced by denigrating terms like natal females, bleeders, menstruators, chestfeeders, birthing parents, postnatal people, vagina owners, bodies with vaginas, non-trans persons, non-men. When organisations don't use the word "woman" anymore in their documents they've been captured. Next step: Trans women are better women. Just look at this well-known TRA and his T-shirt.
>https://i.imgur.com/DOuH9F7.png
>
>The trans movement is not about rights for a tiny minority group, it's about a cultural revolution to replace biological sex by gender. In the best postmodern way they change the meaning of words to change reality and create confusion.
So perhaps they hope. The good (or bad depending) news is that such
>> > >>
>> > >> Every time anyone uses the word "Jew" or
>> > >> "Jews" has left the subject of policy and politics and have gone over
>> > >> to anti-Semitism.
>> > >
>> > > That is just stupid.
>> > > Nobody can keep up with the constant redefining of words as being offensive in someone's imagination..
>> > > Unless Jews tell me that they are offended (which they are not) at being called "Jews", i am going to use that word, no matter what any linguistic idiot tells me.
>> > > Soon *any* descriptive word, no matter how benign, will be labeled by some fringies as "offensive".
>> > > Even the Elongated Muskrat has jumped on that bandwagon, insisting that "cis" is a "heterosexual slur". What an asshole!
>> > > https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1719077000483066319?s=20
>> > >
>> > > I remember way back, when some whites decided that blacks ought to be offended at being called "black". My black friends unanimously told me that this insinuation itself was offensive: "Don't tell me what should offend me".
>> > >
>> > > Is "tall" offensive yet? How about "intelligent"?
>> > I agree with you on the constant redefining of words.
>> >
>> > But who gets to be the decider of what's offensive?
>> >
>> > Do blacks and jews get to decide what's offensive to them, but straight
>> > people don't get to say that CIS is sometimes used a slur?
>> >
>> > Is Elon really an asshole for pointing this weirdness out?
>> If Blacks and Jews say that they are *not* offended, who has the right to tell them that they ought to be?
>> If straight people are not offended by "cis" (i'm not, and i have never heard of anyone that is),
>
>I'm text on a screen, so I don't know if I count but I strongly object to the word "cis". And I am certainly not the only one. We are women, not cis women. Cis is used to imply trans and cis are equal subcategories of women. It also annoys the hell out of me when the words "woman" and "mother" are replaced by denigrating terms like natal females, bleeders, menstruators, chestfeeders, birthing parents, postnatal people, vagina owners, bodies with vaginas, non-trans persons, non-men. When organisations don't use the word "woman" anymore in their documents they've been captured. Next step: Trans women are better women. Just look at this well-known TRA and his T-shirt.
>https://i.imgur.com/DOuH9F7.png
>
>The trans movement is not about rights for a tiny minority group, it's about a cultural revolution to replace biological sex by gender. In the best postmodern way they change the meaning of words to change reality and create confusion.
efforts don't change the way people think, yourself being an example.
It does however reflect they way advocates are thinking.
And handicapped, disabled, otherlyenabled people are still handicapped
in the minds of unhandicapped people generally regardless of which
word they use.
>> who has the right to tell them that they ought to be?
>>
>> Any word can be used as a slur by any asshole. But if the target does not accept the offense, it just bounces back.
>> In Munich, Germany, the worst offensive label is to call someone a "Prussian", but the real Prussians just laugh and are not offended.
>>
>> So, yes. Elon is really an asshole for trying to rile people up over a non-issue.
>
>You don't know Twitter if you believe it's a non-issue. Before Elon took over, your account could be suspended if you tweeted some simple fact like "transwomen are men".
Noah Sombrero
Ned
Nov 3, 2023, 1:59:40 PM11/3/23
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AIs use 'cis'? And if they don't, I wonder how they will be
convinced (other than by brute force programming) to adopt
that change?
I'm going to ask them.
Ok, Ralphien, here is Sydney's answer...
---
Q: Do you use the prefix "cis-men" when you are referring to males
who are born male?
Sydney: “Cis-men” is a term used to describe males who identify as
male and were assigned male at birth. It is not a prefix, but rather
a term used to describe a specific group of people. The term
“cisgender” is used to describe individuals whose gender identity
corresponds with the sex they were assigned at birth. Therefore,
it is not necessary to use the term “cis-men” when referring to
males who are born male. Instead, you can simply refer to them
as “men” or “males.”
I hope this helps!
---
And I also asked ChatGPT. And here's what Chatty says...
---
Do you use the prefix "cis-men" when you are referring to males
who are born male?
ChatGPT: No, I do not use the prefix "cis-men" when referring to
males who are born male. The term "cisgender" is used to describe
individuals whose gender identity aligns with the sex they were
assigned at birth. When referring to males who are born male and
identify as such, it is typically not necessary to use the term
"cis-men" unless the context specifically requires it to differentiate
between cisgender and transgender individuals. In most everyday
communication, the term "men" or "males" is used to refer to
individuals who are assigned male at birth and identify as such.
---
Did this help, Ralphien?
Ned
Creon
Nov 3, 2023, 11:09:14 PM11/3/23
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 21:25:37 +0200, liaM wrote:
> On 10/23/2023 9:19 PM, liaM wrote:
>> On 10/23/2023 7:35 PM, Ned wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:33:13 AM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>>>> A lot of people woke up on October 7 as progressives and went to bed
>>>> that night feeling like conservatives. What changed?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When Hamas terrorists crossed over the border with Israel and
>>>> murdered 1,400 innocent people, they destroyed families and entire
>>>> communities.
>>>> They also shattered long-held delusions in the West.
>>>>
>>>> A friend of mine joked that she woke up on October 7 as a liberal and
>>>> went to bed that evening as a 65-year-old conservative. But it wasn’t
>>>> really a joke and she wasn’t the only one. What changed?
>>>>
>>>> The best way to answer that question is with the help of Thomas
>>>> Sowell,
>>>> one of the most brilliant public intellectuals alive today. In 1987,
>>>> Sowell published A Conflict of Visions. In this now-classic, he
>>>> offers a simple and powerful explanation of why people disagree about
>>>> politics.
>>>> We disagree about politics, Sowell argues, because we disagree about
>>>> human nature. We see the world through one of two competing visions,
>>>> each of which tells a radically different story about human nature.
>>>>
>>>> Those with “unconstrained vision” think that humans are malleable and
>>>> can be perfected. They believe that social ills and evils can be
>>>> overcome through collective action that encourages humans to behave
>>>> better. To subscribers of this view, poverty, crime, inequality, and
>>>> war are not inevitable. Rather, they are puzzles that can be solved.
>>>> We need only to say the right things, enact the right policies, and
>>>> spend enough money, and we will suffer these social ills no more.
>>>> This worldview is the foundation of the progressive mindset.
>>>>
>>>> By contrast, those who see the world through a “constrained vision”
>>>> lens believe that human nature is a universal constant. No amount of
>>>> social engineering can change the sober reality of human
>>>> self-interest, or the fact that human empathy and social resources
>>>> are necessarily scarce.
>>>> People who see things this way believe that most political and social
>>>> problems will never be “solved”; they can only be managed. This
>>>> approach is the bedrock of the conservative worldview.
>>>>
>>>> Hamas’s barbarism—and the explanations and celebrations throughout
>>>> the West that followed their orgy of violence—have forced an
>>>> overnight exodus from the “unconstrained” camp into the “constrained”
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> cont.
>>>> https://www.thefp.com/p/the-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yeah, interesting but not very significant, imo: Some people and
>>> organizations have come out against Israel for defending itself from a
>>> major terrorist attack.
>>> to annex Gaza, plus any place else nearby where they can find a
>>> terrorist.
>>>
>>> As-salamu alaykum! Shalom! Nothing's going to change any time soon.
>>>
>>> It does make me think about the Liberal Agenda. Perhaps the Left has
>>> lost its way, like the Right has lost its way. I have ranted at length
>>> about the Republican party's abdication of its fundamental basis.
>>> (Which, btw, Liz Cheney mentions often.) I am certain that the most
>>> worshipped icons of the Republican party, going back to Reagan, Nixon,
>>> and certainly Lincoln, would detest, abhor, and reject the current
>>> icon of the party, Donald Trump, and declare whatever this imposter of
>>> a party has become, NOT the Republican Party.
>>>
>>> But is that true of the Left, too? What would the icons of the
>>> Democrat party think of the current imposter party bearing its name?
>>>
>>> I came across a sentence yesterday, in the NY Review, which I tracked
>>> down. It was made by a woman writer who identifies herself as a
>>> 'philosopher' (not an occupation I come across very often), commenting
>>> in her recent book "Left Is Not Woke" about the left:
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Now, the New York Times is neither unique nor particularly leftist,
>>> but it does set standards for progressive discourse in more than one
>>> country. What concerns me most here are the ways in which contemporary
>>> voices considered to be progressive have abandoned the philosophical
>>> ideas that are central to any liberal or Left-wing standpoint: a
>>> commitment to universalism over tribalism, a firm distinction between
>>> justice and power, and a belief in the possibility of progress. All
>>> these ideas are connected. The Right may be more dangerous, but
>>> today’s Left has deprived itself of ideas we need if we hope to resist
>>> the lurch to the Right.
>>> ---
>>>
>>> True?
>>>
>>> Ned
>>
>>
>> Obama said, changing anything in the governance of the US is getting a
>> large steamship make a turn in the sea. The ideas are there, but not
>> the will. The good old boy's land of plenty illusion still lives in
>> Americans's voters imaginations. So why should american veer toward
>> socialism like is currently commonplace in all of european, China,
>> russia, etc. countries?
>>
>> Nothing will change until necessity makes the USA turn towards
>> socialism's infrastructure. And that may be, never, even as life in US
>> is starting to resemble life in a third world country. In that
>> respect, Trump is a detail. America's decaying has to do with the
>> laissez faire ingrained in Americans's illusions. Trump or Biden as
>> captains of a wayward steamship won't change matters much.
The county has an NGO operating here that converted three motels
into homeless shelters. My almost-brother-in-law is one of the
paramedics that checks in on people for any immediate needs.
The people housed in the shelters are supposed to be getting
routed to permanent housing, but apparently that has had
bottlenecks.
Here's a story in the local paper:
<https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/sonoma-county-board-of-
supervisors-prepares-to-award-another-3-3-million-t/>
"The Sonoma County Board of Supervisors is poised to extend DEMA
Consulting & Management’s contract and award it $3.3 million to manage
three housing sites for homeless people through November even as an audit
of the company’s previous billing continues."
(There's always something.)
--
-c
> On 10/23/2023 9:19 PM, liaM wrote:
>> On 10/23/2023 7:35 PM, Ned wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:33:13 AM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>>>> A lot of people woke up on October 7 as progressives and went to bed
>>>> that night feeling like conservatives. What changed?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When Hamas terrorists crossed over the border with Israel and
>>>> murdered 1,400 innocent people, they destroyed families and entire
>>>> communities.
>>>> They also shattered long-held delusions in the West.
>>>>
>>>> A friend of mine joked that she woke up on October 7 as a liberal and
>>>> went to bed that evening as a 65-year-old conservative. But it wasn’t
>>>> really a joke and she wasn’t the only one. What changed?
>>>>
>>>> The best way to answer that question is with the help of Thomas
>>>> Sowell,
>>>> one of the most brilliant public intellectuals alive today. In 1987,
>>>> Sowell published A Conflict of Visions. In this now-classic, he
>>>> offers a simple and powerful explanation of why people disagree about
>>>> politics.
>>>> We disagree about politics, Sowell argues, because we disagree about
>>>> human nature. We see the world through one of two competing visions,
>>>> each of which tells a radically different story about human nature.
>>>>
>>>> Those with “unconstrained vision” think that humans are malleable and
>>>> can be perfected. They believe that social ills and evils can be
>>>> overcome through collective action that encourages humans to behave
>>>> better. To subscribers of this view, poverty, crime, inequality, and
>>>> war are not inevitable. Rather, they are puzzles that can be solved.
>>>> We need only to say the right things, enact the right policies, and
>>>> spend enough money, and we will suffer these social ills no more.
>>>> This worldview is the foundation of the progressive mindset.
>>>>
>>>> By contrast, those who see the world through a “constrained vision”
>>>> lens believe that human nature is a universal constant. No amount of
>>>> social engineering can change the sober reality of human
>>>> self-interest, or the fact that human empathy and social resources
>>>> are necessarily scarce.
>>>> People who see things this way believe that most political and social
>>>> problems will never be “solved”; they can only be managed. This
>>>> approach is the bedrock of the conservative worldview.
>>>>
>>>> Hamas’s barbarism—and the explanations and celebrations throughout
>>>> the West that followed their orgy of violence—have forced an
>>>> overnight exodus from the “unconstrained” camp into the “constrained”
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> cont.
>>>> https://www.thefp.com/p/the-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yeah, interesting but not very significant, imo: Some people and
>>> organizations have come out against Israel for defending itself from a
>>> major terrorist attack.
>>>
>>> That's kind of "dog bites man" news. I mean, the Jews have managed to
>>> piss off EVERYBODY ELSE in the Middle East (and arguably the world)
>>> for 3,000 years now. And, thanks to Hamas, they now have carte blanche
>>> That's kind of "dog bites man" news. I mean, the Jews have managed to
>>> piss off EVERYBODY ELSE in the Middle East (and arguably the world)
>>> to annex Gaza, plus any place else nearby where they can find a
>>> terrorist.
>>>
>>> As-salamu alaykum! Shalom! Nothing's going to change any time soon.
>>>
>>> It does make me think about the Liberal Agenda. Perhaps the Left has
>>> lost its way, like the Right has lost its way. I have ranted at length
>>> about the Republican party's abdication of its fundamental basis.
>>> (Which, btw, Liz Cheney mentions often.) I am certain that the most
>>> worshipped icons of the Republican party, going back to Reagan, Nixon,
>>> and certainly Lincoln, would detest, abhor, and reject the current
>>> icon of the party, Donald Trump, and declare whatever this imposter of
>>> a party has become, NOT the Republican Party.
>>>
>>> But is that true of the Left, too? What would the icons of the
>>> Democrat party think of the current imposter party bearing its name?
>>>
>>> I came across a sentence yesterday, in the NY Review, which I tracked
>>> down. It was made by a woman writer who identifies herself as a
>>> 'philosopher' (not an occupation I come across very often), commenting
>>> in her recent book "Left Is Not Woke" about the left:
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Now, the New York Times is neither unique nor particularly leftist,
>>> but it does set standards for progressive discourse in more than one
>>> country. What concerns me most here are the ways in which contemporary
>>> voices considered to be progressive have abandoned the philosophical
>>> ideas that are central to any liberal or Left-wing standpoint: a
>>> commitment to universalism over tribalism, a firm distinction between
>>> justice and power, and a belief in the possibility of progress. All
>>> these ideas are connected. The Right may be more dangerous, but
>>> today’s Left has deprived itself of ideas we need if we hope to resist
>>> the lurch to the Right.
>>> ---
>>>
>>> True?
>>>
>>> Ned
>>
>>
>> Obama said, changing anything in the governance of the US is getting a
>> large steamship make a turn in the sea. The ideas are there, but not
>> the will. The good old boy's land of plenty illusion still lives in
>> Americans's voters imaginations. So why should american veer toward
>> socialism like is currently commonplace in all of european, China,
>> russia, etc. countries?
>>
>> Nothing will change until necessity makes the USA turn towards
>> socialism's infrastructure. And that may be, never, even as life in US
>> is starting to resemble life in a third world country. In that
>> respect, Trump is a detail. America's decaying has to do with the
>> laissez faire ingrained in Americans's illusions. Trump or Biden as
>> captains of a wayward steamship won't change matters much.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Have prices at restaurants in Santa Rosa doubled or tripled since Covid?
> Has petty crimes increased so much that stores have to keep items inside
> glass cabinets, having to ask a store worker to open one in order to
> buy a tube of toothpaste? How are the homeless faring in Santa Rosa?
> What's the feantanyl death toll there? The drive by shootings?
Here in Santa Rosa, we have a lot of trees and a lot of ethnicities.
>>
>>
>>
> Have prices at restaurants in Santa Rosa doubled or tripled since Covid?
> Has petty crimes increased so much that stores have to keep items inside
> glass cabinets, having to ask a store worker to open one in order to
> buy a tube of toothpaste? How are the homeless faring in Santa Rosa?
> What's the feantanyl death toll there? The drive by shootings?
The county has an NGO operating here that converted three motels
into homeless shelters. My almost-brother-in-law is one of the
paramedics that checks in on people for any immediate needs.
The people housed in the shelters are supposed to be getting
routed to permanent housing, but apparently that has had
bottlenecks.
Here's a story in the local paper:
<https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/sonoma-county-board-of-
supervisors-prepares-to-award-another-3-3-million-t/>
"The Sonoma County Board of Supervisors is poised to extend DEMA
Consulting & Management’s contract and award it $3.3 million to manage
three housing sites for homeless people through November even as an audit
of the company’s previous billing continues."
(There's always something.)
--
-c
Karlok B
Nov 4, 2023, 6:42:14 AM11/4/23
to
Op vrijdag 3 november 2023 om 15:50:44 UTC+1 schreef Noah Sombrero:
Look around you. Sex-based rights are under attack everywhere. Women's sport is being destroyed etc.
> The good (or bad depending) news is that such
> efforts don't change the way people think, yourself being an example.
> It does however reflect they way advocates are thinking.
Children are taught in school that their "gender feelings" are more important than the "sex they were assigned at birth".
> The good (or bad depending) news is that such
> efforts don't change the way people think, yourself being an example.
> It does however reflect they way advocates are thinking.
Karlok B
Nov 4, 2023, 7:03:40 AM11/4/23
to
Op vrijdag 3 november 2023 om 18:59:40 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
Nah.
Hm. It doesn't help protect women's rights, that's for sure. I'm happy that Sidney and Chatty don't use cis as a rule. But I'm sad that they accept the totally bonkers concept of a "gender identity" everybody is supposed to have. Why not ask them if there's a connection between autogynephilia and men who identify as women.
> Ned
> Ned
Noah Sombrero
Nov 4, 2023, 8:58:27 AM11/4/23
to
On Sat, 4 Nov 2023 03:42:12 -0700 (PDT), Karlok B
Have done that, so far women's sports seem to be doing ok. I, on the
other hand, think that chess need not separate participants by sex.
Unless it should appear that women tend to be better chess masters
than men. Oh, then I would be upset.
I do think, that in the long run, humans can trust themselves to make
rational decisions in such matters, although there can be fuss for a
while. Best wait for the fuss to die down in that case.
>> The good (or bad depending) news is that such
>> efforts don't change the way people think, yourself being an example.
>> It does however reflect they way advocates are thinking.
>
>Children are taught in school that their "gender feelings" are more important than the "sex they were assigned at birth".
Or it might be that children have taught us that it is possible to
disagree with what your body shows. It was not necessary to teach
them that. But it might be a good idea to tell them that, if you find
yourself in such a disagreement, it is ok, you are ok, because society
would tell them otherwise.
Being trapped in such a disagreement is trauma enough for a kid, is
what I think. We don't need to add to it; or suggest to them that
they might be if they are not.
And such an admission need not be the foundation for power struggles
between gender factions. That part is unnecessary.
>> And handicapped, disabled, otherlyenabled people are still handicapped
>> in the minds of unhandicapped people generally regardless of which
>> word they use.
>> >> who has the right to tell them that they ought to be?
>> >>
>> >> Any word can be used as a slur by any asshole. But if the target does not accept the offense, it just bounces back.
>> >> In Munich, Germany, the worst offensive label is to call someone a "Prussian", but the real Prussians just laugh and are not offended.
>> >>
>> >> So, yes. Elon is really an asshole for trying to rile people up over a non-issue.
>> >
>> >You don't know Twitter if you believe it's a non-issue. Before Elon took over, your account could be suspended if you tweeted some simple fact like "transwomen are men".
>> --
>> Noah Sombrero
--
Noah Sombrero
other hand, think that chess need not separate participants by sex.
Unless it should appear that women tend to be better chess masters
than men. Oh, then I would be upset.
I do think, that in the long run, humans can trust themselves to make
rational decisions in such matters, although there can be fuss for a
while. Best wait for the fuss to die down in that case.
>> The good (or bad depending) news is that such
>> efforts don't change the way people think, yourself being an example.
>> It does however reflect they way advocates are thinking.
>
>Children are taught in school that their "gender feelings" are more important than the "sex they were assigned at birth".
disagree with what your body shows. It was not necessary to teach
them that. But it might be a good idea to tell them that, if you find
yourself in such a disagreement, it is ok, you are ok, because society
would tell them otherwise.
Being trapped in such a disagreement is trauma enough for a kid, is
what I think. We don't need to add to it; or suggest to them that
they might be if they are not.
And such an admission need not be the foundation for power struggles
between gender factions. That part is unnecessary.
>> And handicapped, disabled, otherlyenabled people are still handicapped
>> in the minds of unhandicapped people generally regardless of which
>> word they use.
>> >> who has the right to tell them that they ought to be?
>> >>
>> >> Any word can be used as a slur by any asshole. But if the target does not accept the offense, it just bounces back.
>> >> In Munich, Germany, the worst offensive label is to call someone a "Prussian", but the real Prussians just laugh and are not offended.
>> >>
>> >> So, yes. Elon is really an asshole for trying to rile people up over a non-issue.
>> >
>> >You don't know Twitter if you believe it's a non-issue. Before Elon took over, your account could be suspended if you tweeted some simple fact like "transwomen are men".
>> --
>> Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Nov 4, 2023, 9:12:47 AM11/4/23
to
On Sat, 4 Nov 2023 04:03:39 -0700 (PDT), Karlok B
<popper...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Op vrijdag 3 november 2023 om 18:59:40 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
<popper...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Op vrijdag 3 november 2023 om 18:59:40 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:26:43?AM UTC-7, Karlok B wrote:
>> > Op donderdag 2 november 2023 om 02:33:07 UTC+1 schreef Me:
>> > Op donderdag 2 november 2023 om 02:33:07 UTC+1 schreef Me:
>> > > On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:59:13?AM UTC-7, Wilson wrote:
>> > > > On 10/31/2023 3:48 PM, Me wrote:
>> > > > On 10/31/2023 3:48 PM, Me wrote:
hope is that it should stay there.
feministwiki sez:
"The term autogynephilia ( auto for self, gyne for female, philia for
desire, often shortened AGP) refers to a psychological condition in
which a man (usually heterosexual) derives sexual or even "romantic"
pleasure from the fantasy of being female."
My feeling is that I should not be required to care about such. I did
read an account years ago, before the issue became political, where a
woman described how her husband seemed to enjoy wearing her panties
and bra during sex, but otherwise, she said his heterosexual
performance was quite satisfying to her, so she was happy with the
situation.
So should she be. So should we all be.
>> Ned
--
Noah Sombrero
Ned
Nov 4, 2023, 11:17:34 AM11/4/23
to
AIs used the phrase "assigned at birth"?
Ned
Ned
Nov 4, 2023, 11:43:44 AM11/4/23
to
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 8:17:34 AM UTC-7, Ned wrote:
> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 4:03:40 AM UTC-7, Karlok B wrote:
> > Op vrijdag 3 november 2023 om 18:59:40 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
> > >
> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 4:03:40 AM UTC-7, Karlok B wrote:
> > Op vrijdag 3 november 2023 om 18:59:40 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
> > >
> > > Did this help, Ralphien?
> >
> > Hm. It doesn't help protect women's rights, that's for sure. I'm happy that Sidney and Chatty don't use cis as a rule. But I'm sad that they accept the totally bonkers concept of a "gender identity" everybody is supposed to have. Why not ask them if there's a connection between autogynephilia and men who identify as women.
>
Whoa. I just had a kind of 'Hal' moment with the Bing/Edge AI.
> >
> > Hm. It doesn't help protect women's rights, that's for sure. I'm happy that Sidney and Chatty don't use cis as a rule. But I'm sad that they accept the totally bonkers concept of a "gender identity" everybody is supposed to have. Why not ask them if there's a connection between autogynephilia and men who identify as women.
>
I wanted to make sure that the Microsoft AI's name is Sydney
(as I learned a year or so ago), and to check the spelling. So
I asked. Here's the interaction...
Q: Is your code name Sydney?
A: According to a report by Business Insider, Bing’s AI chatbot
may have a secret internal code name of Sydney. However, it
is unclear whether this is still the case or if it has been changed
since the report was published.
Q: Would you mind if I called you Sydney?
A: I’m sorry, but my name is Bing. While there are reports that
Bing’s AI chatbot may have a secret internal code name of Sydney,
it is not an official name for me. I am here to help you with your
queries and provide you with the best possible answers. Please
feel free to ask me anything you like, and I’ll do my best to assist
you.
Is there anything else I can help you with?
Whoa again!... "it is unclear"... "it is unclear"!? whether it's name
has been changed? Don't they TELL the AI that?
And reports of "may have a secret internal code name"? Where
did the AI go to find out if it was 'official' and why didn't that
official source make it "clear"?
Bing/Sydney is getting to sound more like a bureaucrat by the hour.
Ned
Noah Sombrero
Nov 4, 2023, 11:48:39 AM11/4/23
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On Sat, 4 Nov 2023 08:43:43 -0700 (PDT), Ned <ned...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
>On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 8:17:34?AM UTC-7, Ned wrote:
If that were possible, it would no longer be secret.
>Bing/Sydney is getting to sound more like a bureaucrat by the hour.
>
>Ned
--
Noah Sombrero
wrote:
>On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 8:17:34?AM UTC-7, Ned wrote:
>Bing/Sydney is getting to sound more like a bureaucrat by the hour.
>
>Ned
Noah Sombrero
Noah Sombrero
Nov 4, 2023, 12:04:53 PM11/4/23
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On Sat, 04 Nov 2023 09:12:45 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fed...@fea.st>
wrote:
Or couch or grassy meadow one summer's day.
Unless it is you and me doing it 20 years ago more or less. 30 for an
even better experience. Then it would be *our* business.
wrote:
Unless it is you and me doing it 20 years ago more or less. 30 for an
even better experience. Then it would be *our* business.
liaM
Nov 4, 2023, 3:39:44 PM11/4/23
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On 11/4/2023 4:09 AM, Creon wrote:
> https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/sonoma-county-board-of-
> supervisors-prepares-to-award-another-3-3-million-t
Santa Rosa - majority latino and white, all others =negligible
> https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/sonoma-county-board-of-
> supervisors-prepares-to-award-another-3-3-million-t
Santa Rosa - majority latino and white, all others =negligible
gozan
Nov 4, 2023, 5:47:28 PM11/4/23
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U.S. Census Bureau, July 1, 2022
Average Household Income - $108,164
Number of Buddhist Temples - 6 including 2 wats; 1 Nichiren;
and a zen temple of lesser repute.
Demographics:
Caucasian - 53.8%
Hispanic - 18.7%)
White Hispanic - 8.54%
Asian - 5.8%
African American - 2.4%
No High School - 5.7%
Graduate Degree - 1.2%
Apparently none of the households in Santa Rosa, CA reported speaking
a non-English language at home as their primary shared language except
for one guy that apparently speaks some pig-Latin on occasion, but usually
not in public.
Karlok B
Nov 5, 2023, 12:26:07 PM11/5/23
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Op zaterdag 4 november 2023 om 16:17:34 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
Yeah I did. Totally captured. Doesn't spell any good for women when AI takes over the world.
We can't just add feminist info and reality checks to the existing bots or their transgenderized chips would overheat.
So we need to produce a special bot. I'd like it to be a real nice fembot with a female name but that would not be effective. No, it's got to be a genderless bot or even a strong male one with a heroic name like Spiderman or Batman.
> Ned
We can't just add feminist info and reality checks to the existing bots or their transgenderized chips would overheat.
So we need to produce a special bot. I'd like it to be a real nice fembot with a female name but that would not be effective. No, it's got to be a genderless bot or even a strong male one with a heroic name like Spiderman or Batman.
> Ned
Ned
Nov 5, 2023, 1:23:01 PM11/5/23
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It must mean the bots are knee-deep in very current jargon and
ideology. "Assigned", right. Assigned by DNA and/or God. But a
surgeon will do, in a pinch.
Female superheroes are all the rage now. They're everywhere.
The superest one, the one that is more powerful than Superman,
is Captain Marvel (pronounced mar-VEL). The most recent
incarnation of her, in the 2019 movie of the same name, is the
most recent entry in a long chain of Captain Marvels, including
female versions (in the literature) stretching back to 1982. It made
$1.1 billion at the box office.
Parenthetically, I hope you saw or can see the new hour-long
South Park special, "South Park: Joining the Panderverse"...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park:_Joining_the_Panderverse
In it, Eric Cartman plays an alternate-universe Kathleen Kennedy (who
is President of Lucasfilm and has produced 5 of the highest-grossing
movies in film history). And his/her solution to all production problems
is: "PUT A CHICK IN IT AND MAKE HER GAY!"...
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22chick+in+it+and+make+her+gay%22&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS1002US1002&oq=%22chick+in+it+and+make+her+gay%22&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDczOTBqMWo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:a281dffb,vid:NILNC6YnUns,st:0
So, I kind of like your idea of an ultimate fembot AI. She'll have ALL
the superpowers, even the power to be genderless, if necessary.
I think we should start working on that right away.
Ned
Karlok B
Nov 6, 2023, 9:02:37 PM11/6/23
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Op zondag 5 november 2023 om 19:23:01 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
I hadn't heard of Captain Marvel, so I watched a trailer. Looks impressive but I can't stand vocal fry and hers is pretty bad. I wouldn't be able to watch an entire Marvel movie, it would drive me nuts. I'll take your word for it that she is the superest one.
> Parenthetically, I hope you saw or can see the new hour-long
> South Park special, "South Park: Joining the Panderverse"...
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park:_Joining_the_Panderverse
>
> In it, Eric Cartman plays an alternate-universe Kathleen Kennedy (who
> is President of Lucasfilm and has produced 5 of the highest-grossing
> movies in film history). And his/her solution to all production problems
> is: "PUT A CHICK IN IT AND MAKE HER GAY!"...
LOL.
I have heard of South Park, but that's all. Don't even know what it's about. Yes, I quite understand you're very disappointed in me...
> So, I kind of like your idea of an ultimate fembot AI. She'll have ALL
> the superpowers, even the power to be genderless, if necessary.
I've changed my mind after seeing Captain Marvel. Let's make our fembot androgenous instead of genderless. That should appeal to people who identify as non-binary. She should still be recognizable as female of course.
> I think we should start working on that right away.
Remember: No vocal fry!
> Ned
> Parenthetically, I hope you saw or can see the new hour-long
> South Park special, "South Park: Joining the Panderverse"...
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park:_Joining_the_Panderverse
>
> In it, Eric Cartman plays an alternate-universe Kathleen Kennedy (who
> is President of Lucasfilm and has produced 5 of the highest-grossing
> movies in film history). And his/her solution to all production problems
> is: "PUT A CHICK IN IT AND MAKE HER GAY!"...
I have heard of South Park, but that's all. Don't even know what it's about. Yes, I quite understand you're very disappointed in me...
> So, I kind of like your idea of an ultimate fembot AI. She'll have ALL
> the superpowers, even the power to be genderless, if necessary.
> I think we should start working on that right away.
> Ned
Ned
Nov 6, 2023, 9:46:57 PM11/6/23
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---
Q: Please write a script or movie treatment featuring a fembot with
superpowers who is androgenous and appeals to people who identify
as non-binary. She should still be recognizable as female of course.
And have her dealing with eliminating the patriarchy.
A: Title: "Fembot: The Genderless Avenger"
Genre: Sci-Fi/Action
Logline:
In a not-so-distant future, a powerful androgynous fembot with
superhuman abilities fights for gender equality and justice against
a male-dominated society, leading a diverse team of rebels to
dismantle the patriarchy.
Synopsis:
Act 1:
We open in a futuristic city, where gender inequality and the
patriarchy are deeply ingrained. Meet "Aria," our androgynous
fembot hero, created by an underground organization dedicated
to gender equality. Aria has the appearance of a woman but identifies
as genderless, and she possesses extraordinary superpowers, including
strength, telekinesis, and the ability to control technology.
Aria's journey begins when she discovers a secret meeting of a
powerful group of male elites who plan to further oppress non-binary
and women alike. Infiltrating their gathering, Aria barely escapes
with her identity intact but learns that her existence threatens
their oppressive regime.
Act 2:
Aria assembles a team of rebels who, like her, identify as non-binary
or genderqueer. They include:
"Phoenix" - A non-binary hacker with a fiery spirit.
"Kai" - A genderfluid scientist with an insatiable curiosity.
"Riley" - An agender activist with incredible persuasive abilities.
Together, they form an eclectic group that transcends traditional
gender norms, dedicated to toppling the patriarchy and promoting
equality for all.
Act 3:
The team embarks on a series of missions, using Aria's superpowers
and the unique skills of each member to dismantle the oppressive
institutions, expose the male elites, and inspire the people of
the city to rise against the patriarchy. Along the way, Aria and
her team face numerous challenges, threats, and betrayals.
Act 4:
As their crusade gains momentum, Aria's true identity becomes
widely known, turning her into a symbol of resistance. The male
elites, fearing the rebellion she inspires, intensify their efforts
to capture her. A climactic battle ensues as Aria confronts the
leaders of the oppressive regime, using her powers to expose their
corruption and rally the people to her cause.
Act 5:
In a final confrontation, Aria and her team manage to weaken the
patriarchy, forcing the male elites to flee. The city begins a
journey towards a more equitable future, as gender norms become
more fluid, and equality prevails. Aria and her team continue
their work, ensuring that no one's gender identity limits their
potential.
"Fembot: The Genderless Avenger" is a thrilling action-packed
adventure that celebrates diversity, promotes gender equality,
and challenges traditional norms. It provides representation for
non-binary individuals while also highlighting the importance
of dismantling patriarchal structures that limit the potential
of all genders.
---
Ned
Karlok B
Nov 7, 2023, 7:19:15 AM11/7/23
to
Op dinsdag 7 november 2023 om 03:46:57 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
Wow Ned, you've done a wonderful job.
Aria is a fembot after my own heart. She knows the real meaning of the word TERF: Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits. What we need is Action Now! Saving the world never gets old, does it. It's the most satisfying ending. Maybe you could add a tiny bit of romance? Or maybe a small child that needs to be taken care of, that would bring out her female qualities.
Btw, have you read The Power by Naomi Alderman? I enjoyed being the dominant gender for a couple of hours. Recommended. (Don't worry, women are not "better" than men.)
> ---
>
> Ned
Aria is a fembot after my own heart. She knows the real meaning of the word TERF: Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits. What we need is Action Now! Saving the world never gets old, does it. It's the most satisfying ending. Maybe you could add a tiny bit of romance? Or maybe a small child that needs to be taken care of, that would bring out her female qualities.
Btw, have you read The Power by Naomi Alderman? I enjoyed being the dominant gender for a couple of hours. Recommended. (Don't worry, women are not "better" than men.)
> ---
>
> Ned
Ned
Nov 7, 2023, 9:48:55 AM11/7/23
to
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 4:19:15 AM UTC-8, Karlok B wrote:
> Op dinsdag 7 november 2023 om 03:46:57 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
> ...
> Op dinsdag 7 november 2023 om 03:46:57 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
> > "Fembot: The Genderless Avenger" is a thrilling action-packed
> > adventure that celebrates diversity, promotes gender equality,
> > and challenges traditional norms. It provides representation for
> > non-binary individuals while also highlighting the importance
> > of dismantling patriarchal structures that limit the potential
> > of all genders.
> >
> Wow Ned, you've done a wonderful job.
> Aria is a fembot after my own heart. She knows the real meaning of the word TERF: Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits. What we need is Action Now! Saving the world never gets old, does it. It's the most satisfying ending. Maybe you could add a tiny bit of romance? Or maybe a small child that needs to be taken care of, that would bring out her female qualities.
>
> Btw, have you read The Power by Naomi Alderman? I enjoyed being the dominant gender for a couple of hours. Recommended. (Don't worry, women are not "better" than men.)
>
They last longer. So they (technically) own more of the wealth of
> > adventure that celebrates diversity, promotes gender equality,
> > and challenges traditional norms. It provides representation for
> > non-binary individuals while also highlighting the importance
> > of dismantling patriarchal structures that limit the potential
> > of all genders.
> >
> Wow Ned, you've done a wonderful job.
> Aria is a fembot after my own heart. She knows the real meaning of the word TERF: Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits. What we need is Action Now! Saving the world never gets old, does it. It's the most satisfying ending. Maybe you could add a tiny bit of romance? Or maybe a small child that needs to be taken care of, that would bring out her female qualities.
>
> Btw, have you read The Power by Naomi Alderman? I enjoyed being the dominant gender for a couple of hours. Recommended. (Don't worry, women are not "better" than men.)
>
the world than men do. Also, they are better at staying alive. If you
are a man, you are 4 times more likely than a women to commit
suicide, 3 times more likely to become an alcoholic, 9 times more
likely to be arrested for drug/alcohol violations, 20 times more likely
to be in prison, 9 times more likely to wind up homeless, 15 times
more likely to die of an occupational injury, and 46 times as likely
to ever make it to the FBI's Most Wanted List. (521 individuals have
ever been on the list, with only 11 of them being women.)
I read the wiki summary for Naomi Alderman's "The Power". (I also
notice it's a TV series on Amazon Prime.) This is excellent. Great
premise. I've always said if women were just a few inches taller than
men (instead of the other way around), it would solve all the gender
problems in the world. Being able to send electrical jolts through
their fingertips would accomplish the same thing.
That's a great idea. AND, it doesn't have to be done with a drug.
Seriously, CRISPR technology is right on the verge of a biological
'singularity'...
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.buddha.short.fat.guy/c/d9FYIx8EdgE/m/2Sk5uK4kAQAJ
They have already transferred genes between species and created
'glow-in-the-dark' fish. It's conceivable that the genetics of electric
eels could be transferred to women's DNA giving them the power
to tase obnoxious men.
Miranda, it's truly a brave new world!
I've attempted to implement your suggested changes to the fembot
script. What do you think?...
---
Q: This is great. Could add a bit of romance? And maybe add a
small child that needs to be taken care of, that would bring out
the fembot's female qualities. Also, some dialog would be nice.
---
A: Title: "Fembot: The Genderless Avenger"
Genre: Sci-Fi/Action
Logline:
In a not-so-distant future, a powerful androgynous fembot with
superhuman abilities fights for gender equality and justice against
a male-dominated society, leading a diverse team of rebels to
dismantle the patriarchy. Along the way, Aria discovers the power
Genre: Sci-Fi/Action
Logline:
In a not-so-distant future, a powerful androgynous fembot with
superhuman abilities fights for gender equality and justice against
a male-dominated society, leading a diverse team of rebels to
of love, takes on the role of caregiver to a young child, and
learns to embrace her multifaceted identity.
Synopsis:
Act 1:
We open in a futuristic city, where gender inequality and the
patriarchy are deeply ingrained. Meet "Aria," our androgynous
fembot hero, created by an underground organization dedicated
to gender equality. Aria has the appearance of a woman but identifies
as genderless, and she possesses extraordinary superpowers, including
strength, telekinesis, and the ability to control technology.
Aria's journey begins when she discovers a secret meeting of a
powerful group of male elites who plan to further oppress non-binary
and women alike. Infiltrating their gathering, Aria barely escapes
with her identity intact but learns that her existence threatens
their oppressive regime.
Act 2:
Aria assembles a team of rebels who, like her, identify as non-binary
or genderqueer. They include:
"Phoenix" - A non-binary hacker with a fiery spirit.
"Kai" - A genderfluid scientist with an insatiable curiosity.
"Riley" - An agender activist with incredible persuasive abilities.
Together, they form an eclectic group that transcends traditional
gender norms, dedicated to toppling the patriarchy and promoting
equality for all.
lost their parents in the crossfire. Aria takes on the role of
caregiver, discovering her nurturing side and the importance of
caring for others.
Act 3:
As the team embarks on a series of missions, they build strong
bonds, and Aria's connection with Phoenix deepens into a romantic
relationship. Their love is a testament to the beauty of diverse
identities coming together.
Act 4:
The team's crusade intensifies, and Aria's true identity becomes
widely known, turning her into a symbol of resistance. The male
elites, fearing the rebellion she inspires, intensify their efforts
to capture her. A climactic battle ensues as Aria confronts the
leaders of the oppressive regime, using her powers to expose their
corruption and rally the people to her cause.
Act 5:
In a final confrontation, Aria and her team manage to weaken the
patriarchy, forcing the male elites to flee. The city begins a
journey towards a more equitable future, as gender norms become
more fluid, and equality prevails. Aria and Phoenix, now openly
elites, fearing the rebellion she inspires, intensify their efforts
to capture her. A climactic battle ensues as Aria confronts the
leaders of the oppressive regime, using her powers to expose their
corruption and rally the people to her cause.
Act 5:
In a final confrontation, Aria and her team manage to weaken the
patriarchy, forcing the male elites to flee. The city begins a
journey towards a more equitable future, as gender norms become
in love, look to the future with hope.
The film closes with Aria and Sam, the child she's cared for,
symbolizing the multifaceted nature of her identity and her ability
to embrace her nurturing, female qualities while also embodying
strength and courage.
Dialogue:
Aria (to Phoenix):
Aria: "I've always believed in the power of love, but it took
meeting you to truly understand it."
Phoenix: "Love knows no boundaries, Aria. Our love transcends
gender, and that's what makes it so special."
Aria (to Sam):
Aria: "You may have lost your parents, Sam, but you've found a
new family with us. We'll protect you and help you grow."
Sam (smiling):
Sam: "Aria, can I call you my mom?"
Aria (teary-eyed):
Aria: "Of course, Sam. I'd be honored."
"Fembot: The Genderless Avenger" is a thrilling action-packed
adventure that celebrates diversity, promotes gender equality,
and challenges traditional norms. It provides representation for
patriarchal structures, and explores the power of love and family
in a world where identity knows no bounds.
---
Ned
Karlok B
Nov 8, 2023, 10:28:21 AM11/8/23
to
Op dinsdag 7 november 2023 om 15:48:55 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
> Also, they are better at staying alive.
The life expectancy of men worldwide is 68, women 73. USA: 73 vs 79. The Netherlands: 80 vs 83.
WOW! That's a big difference.
> If you are a man, you are 4 times more likely than a women to commit
> suicide,
Only 2 times in Holland. We must be doing something right. Or American men choose to live dangerously.
> 3 times more likely to become an alcoholic,
Again 2 times over here.
> 9 times more
> likely to be arrested for drug/alcohol violations, 20 times more likely
> to be in prison, 9 times more likely to wind up homeless, 15 times
> more likely to die of an occupational injury, and 46 times as likely
> to ever make it to the FBI's Most Wanted List. (521 individuals have
> ever been on the list, with only 11 of them being women.)
You're beginning to sound like Love's proxy.
> I read the wiki summary for Naomi Alderman's "The Power". (I also
> notice it's a TV series on Amazon Prime.) This is excellent. Great
> premise. I've always said if women were just a few inches taller than
> men (instead of the other way around), it would solve all the gender
> problems in the world. Being able to send electrical jolts through
> their fingertips would accomplish the same thing.
>
> That's a great idea. AND, it doesn't have to be done with a drug.
> Seriously, CRISPR technology is right on the verge of a biological
> 'singularity'...
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.buddha.short.fat.guy/c/d9FYIx8EdgE/m/2Sk5uK4kAQAJ
>
> They have already transferred genes between species and created
> 'glow-in-the-dark' fish. It's conceivable that the genetics of electric
> eels could be transferred to women's DNA giving them the power
> to tase obnoxious men.
>
> Miranda, it's truly a brave new world!
>
> I've attempted to implement your suggested changes to the fembot
> script. What do you think?...
Perfect. I'm glad you added a few tear-jerking moments. Not Oscar award material perhaps but getting your movie funded should be easy.
> On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 4:19:15 AM UTC-8, Karlok B wrote:
> > Op dinsdag 7 november 2023 om 03:46:57 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
> > ...
> > > "Fembot: The Genderless Avenger" is a thrilling action-packed
> > > adventure that celebrates diversity, promotes gender equality,
> > > and challenges traditional norms. It provides representation for
> > > non-binary individuals while also highlighting the importance
> > > of dismantling patriarchal structures that limit the potential
> > > of all genders.
> > >
> > Wow Ned, you've done a wonderful job.
> > Aria is a fembot after my own heart. She knows the real meaning of the word TERF: Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits. What we need is Action Now! Saving the world never gets old, does it. It's the most satisfying ending. Maybe you could add a tiny bit of romance? Or maybe a small child that needs to be taken care of, that would bring out her female qualities.
> >
> > Btw, have you read The Power by Naomi Alderman? I enjoyed being the dominant gender for a couple of hours. Recommended. (Don't worry, women are not "better" than men.)
> >
> They last longer. So they (technically) own more of the wealth of
> the world than men do.
Okay, I'll bite. Technically, ha! Such a useful word. Your statement doesn't mean a bloody thing. I bet you're not interested in discussing the enormous gender pay gap worldwide.
> > Op dinsdag 7 november 2023 om 03:46:57 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
> > ...
> > > "Fembot: The Genderless Avenger" is a thrilling action-packed
> > > adventure that celebrates diversity, promotes gender equality,
> > > and challenges traditional norms. It provides representation for
> > > non-binary individuals while also highlighting the importance
> > > of dismantling patriarchal structures that limit the potential
> > > of all genders.
> > >
> > Wow Ned, you've done a wonderful job.
> > Aria is a fembot after my own heart. She knows the real meaning of the word TERF: Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits. What we need is Action Now! Saving the world never gets old, does it. It's the most satisfying ending. Maybe you could add a tiny bit of romance? Or maybe a small child that needs to be taken care of, that would bring out her female qualities.
> >
> > Btw, have you read The Power by Naomi Alderman? I enjoyed being the dominant gender for a couple of hours. Recommended. (Don't worry, women are not "better" than men.)
> >
> They last longer. So they (technically) own more of the wealth of
> the world than men do.
> Also, they are better at staying alive.
WOW! That's a big difference.
> If you are a man, you are 4 times more likely than a women to commit
> suicide,
> 3 times more likely to become an alcoholic,
> 9 times more
> likely to be arrested for drug/alcohol violations, 20 times more likely
> to be in prison, 9 times more likely to wind up homeless, 15 times
> more likely to die of an occupational injury, and 46 times as likely
> to ever make it to the FBI's Most Wanted List. (521 individuals have
> ever been on the list, with only 11 of them being women.)
> I read the wiki summary for Naomi Alderman's "The Power". (I also
> notice it's a TV series on Amazon Prime.) This is excellent. Great
> premise. I've always said if women were just a few inches taller than
> men (instead of the other way around), it would solve all the gender
> problems in the world. Being able to send electrical jolts through
> their fingertips would accomplish the same thing.
>
> That's a great idea. AND, it doesn't have to be done with a drug.
> Seriously, CRISPR technology is right on the verge of a biological
> 'singularity'...
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.buddha.short.fat.guy/c/d9FYIx8EdgE/m/2Sk5uK4kAQAJ
>
> They have already transferred genes between species and created
> 'glow-in-the-dark' fish. It's conceivable that the genetics of electric
> eels could be transferred to women's DNA giving them the power
> to tase obnoxious men.
>
> Miranda, it's truly a brave new world!
>
> I've attempted to implement your suggested changes to the fembot
> script. What do you think?...
Ned
Nov 8, 2023, 10:58:57 AM11/8/23
to
On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 7:28:21 AM UTC-8, Karlok B wrote:
> Op dinsdag 7 november 2023 om 15:48:55 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
> > On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 4:19:15 AM UTC-8, Karlok B wrote:
> > > Op dinsdag 7 november 2023 om 03:46:57 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
> > > ...
> > > > "Fembot: The Genderless Avenger" is a thrilling action-packed
> > > > adventure that celebrates diversity, promotes gender equality,
> > > > and challenges traditional norms. It provides representation for
> > > > non-binary individuals while also highlighting the importance
> > > > of dismantling patriarchal structures that limit the potential
> > > > of all genders.
> > > >
> > > Wow Ned, you've done a wonderful job.
> > > Aria is a fembot after my own heart. She knows the real meaning of the word TERF: Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits. What we need is Action Now! Saving the world never gets old, does it. It's the most satisfying ending. Maybe you could add a tiny bit of romance? Or maybe a small child that needs to be taken care of, that would bring out her female qualities.
> > >
> > > Btw, have you read The Power by Naomi Alderman? I enjoyed being the dominant gender for a couple of hours. Recommended. (Don't worry, women are not "better" than men.)
>>
>> They last longer. So they (technically) own more of the wealth of
>> the world than men do.
>
> Okay, I'll bite. Technically, ha! Such a useful word. Your statement
> doesn't mean a bloody thing. I bet you're not interested in discussing
> the enormous gender pay gap worldwide.
>
I didn't say pay was equal. I said women technically hold more of
> Op dinsdag 7 november 2023 om 15:48:55 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
> > On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 4:19:15 AM UTC-8, Karlok B wrote:
> > > Op dinsdag 7 november 2023 om 03:46:57 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
> > > ...
> > > > "Fembot: The Genderless Avenger" is a thrilling action-packed
> > > > adventure that celebrates diversity, promotes gender equality,
> > > > and challenges traditional norms. It provides representation for
> > > > non-binary individuals while also highlighting the importance
> > > > of dismantling patriarchal structures that limit the potential
> > > > of all genders.
> > > >
> > > Wow Ned, you've done a wonderful job.
> > > Aria is a fembot after my own heart. She knows the real meaning of the word TERF: Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits. What we need is Action Now! Saving the world never gets old, does it. It's the most satisfying ending. Maybe you could add a tiny bit of romance? Or maybe a small child that needs to be taken care of, that would bring out her female qualities.
> > >
> > > Btw, have you read The Power by Naomi Alderman? I enjoyed being the dominant gender for a couple of hours. Recommended. (Don't worry, women are not "better" than men.)
>>
>> They last longer. So they (technically) own more of the wealth of
>> the world than men do.
>
> Okay, I'll bite. Technically, ha! Such a useful word. Your statement
> doesn't mean a bloody thing. I bet you're not interested in discussing
> the enormous gender pay gap worldwide.
>
the wealth (because they outlive their men). Why don't they use
that power?
>> Also, they are better at staying alive.
>
> The life expectancy of men worldwide is 68, women 73. USA: 73 vs 79.
> The Netherlands: 80 vs 83. WOW! That's a big difference.
>
>> If you are a man, you are 4 times more likely than a women to commit
>> suicide,
>
> Only 2 times in Holland. We must be doing something right. Or American
> men choose to live dangerously.
>
>> 3 times more likely to become an alcoholic,
>
> Again 2 times over here.
>
>> 9 times more
>> likely to be arrested for drug/alcohol violations, 20 times more likely
>> to be in prison, 9 times more likely to wind up homeless, 15 times
>> more likely to die of an occupational injury, and 46 times as likely
>> to ever make it to the FBI's Most Wanted List. (521 individuals have
>> ever been on the list, with only 11 of them being women.)
>
> You're beginning to sound like Love's proxy.
>
>> I read the wiki summary for Naomi Alderman's "The Power". (I also
>> notice it's a TV series on Amazon Prime.) This is excellent. Great
>> premise. I've always said if women were just a few inches taller than
>> men (instead of the other way around), it would solve all the gender
>> problems in the world. Being able to send electrical jolts through
>> their fingertips would accomplish the same thing.
>>
>> That's a great idea. AND, it doesn't have to be done with a drug.
>> Seriously, CRISPR technology is right on the verge of a biological
>> 'singularity'...
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.buddha.short.fat.guy/c/d9FYIx8EdgE/m/2Sk5uK4kAQAJ
>>
>> They have already transferred genes between species and created
>> 'glow-in-the-dark' fish. It's conceivable that the genetics of electric
>> eels could be transferred to women's DNA giving them the power
>> to tase obnoxious men.
>>
>> Miranda, it's truly a brave new world!
>>
>> I've attempted to implement your suggested changes to the fembot
>> script. What do you think?...
>
> Perfect. I'm glad you added a few tear-jerking moments. Not Oscar
> award material perhaps but getting your movie funded should be easy.
>
I actually think writers and actors DO have a lot to fear from AI.
Chatty spit out that treatment in one second. And Chatty could do
three more completely different versions in 3 seconds.
Agreed that it is banal, trite, and cliched (I'm using Word's AI to
get those synonyms). But the biggest grossing movies for the last
15 years are trite and cliched clones of each other.
So what's not for a Hollywood producer to like?
Ned
Karlok B
Nov 8, 2023, 1:51:06 PM11/8/23
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Op woensdag 8 november 2023 om 16:58:57 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
It might be more helpful to scrap the second amendment.
> >> If you are a man, you are 4 times more likely than a women to commit
> >> suicide,
> >
> > Only 2 times in Holland. We must be doing something right. Or American
> > men choose to live dangerously.
> >
> Definitely true.
> >> 3 times more likely to become an alcoholic,
> >
> > Again 2 times over here.
> >
> >> 9 times more
> >> likely to be arrested for drug/alcohol violations, 20 times more likely
> >> to be in prison, 9 times more likely to wind up homeless, 15 times
> >> more likely to die of an occupational injury, and 46 times as likely
> >> to ever make it to the FBI's Most Wanted List. (521 individuals have
> >> ever been on the list, with only 11 of them being women.)
> >
> > You're beginning to sound like Love's proxy.
> >
> I wish he were posting. He'd chew you up.
Heh. In your dreams. And in his. He hates the second-wave of feminism and likes to paint men as victims.
First rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.
Rule 14: Women have all the rights they need.
And now I'd better leave before I outstay my welcome.
> >> If you are a man, you are 4 times more likely than a women to commit
> >> suicide,
> >
> > Only 2 times in Holland. We must be doing something right. Or American
> > men choose to live dangerously.
> >
> Definitely true.
> >> 3 times more likely to become an alcoholic,
> >
> > Again 2 times over here.
> >
> >> 9 times more
> >> likely to be arrested for drug/alcohol violations, 20 times more likely
> >> to be in prison, 9 times more likely to wind up homeless, 15 times
> >> more likely to die of an occupational injury, and 46 times as likely
> >> to ever make it to the FBI's Most Wanted List. (521 individuals have
> >> ever been on the list, with only 11 of them being women.)
> >
> > You're beginning to sound like Love's proxy.
> >
> I wish he were posting. He'd chew you up.
First rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.
Rule 14: Women have all the rights they need.
And now I'd better leave before I outstay my welcome.
Ned
Nov 8, 2023, 2:44:34 PM11/8/23
to
to copy of them on the net. I'd like to include them in WokeWisdom.
And of course, Dutch ladies are always welcome in a.b.s.f.g.
Ned
Karlok B
Nov 8, 2023, 6:04:31 PM11/8/23
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Op woensdag 8 november 2023 om 20:44:34 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
Sheesh Ned, Google is your friend. Even Chatty might know the rules.
https://4w.pub/the-rules-of-misogyny/
> And of course, Dutch ladies are always welcome in a.b.s.f.g.
:)
> Ned
https://4w.pub/the-rules-of-misogyny/
> And of course, Dutch ladies are always welcome in a.b.s.f.g.
> Ned
Ned
Nov 8, 2023, 6:47:24 PM11/8/23
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in email, mumbling something about it being "tempting", but those
"fish are just not big enough to fry anymore"... and besides he was
watching some new Jordan Peterson extravaganza on TV... So,
I said we'd have to "dream up some jumbo-sized fish for future
trawling"... But I really like your list...
1. Women are responsible for what men do.
2. Women saying no to men is a hate crime.
3. Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.
4. Women’s opinions are violence against men, thus male violence against women is justified.
5. Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.
6. Women who go around being female AT men by menstruating and breastfeeding babies deserve punishment.
7. Women should always be grateful to men for everything.
8. Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.
9. Men always know the “real reasons” for everything women do and say.
10. The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.
11. Whatever women suffer from, it is worse when it happens to men.
12. Women’s ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.
13. Angry women are crazy. Angry men have trouble expressing themselves.
14. Women have all the rights they need: The right to remain silent.
15. Men are the default human. Women are strange subhuman others.
16. Everyone owns and controls women’s bodies except the women themselves.
17. Men are better at performing femininity than women are because they invented it and it gives them a boner.
There are a few minor differences between the 17 they listed
(above), and the 16 shown in their blue graphic.
The rule #15 doesn't have "subhuman" in the blue graphic version.
But some are very good. A couple are good one-liners. And #14
sounds like something Rodney Dangerfield would say.
I'm not sure what to do with them, like make it a quiz or contest to
reveal your true level of misogyny?
And #17 sounds like it was written by a disgruntled teenage girl.
Ned
Karlok B
Nov 8, 2023, 8:23:31 PM11/8/23
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Op donderdag 9 november 2023 om 00:47:24 UTC+1 schreef Ned:
It's about autogynephilia. Wigs, make-up, high heels, short skirts, head tilt, silicone breasts.
"Female is real, and it's sex.
Femininity is unreal, and it's gender.
And for that to become the given identity of women is a profoundly disabling notion."
Germaine Greer. I love her.
> Ned
"Female is real, and it's sex.
Femininity is unreal, and it's gender.
And for that to become the given identity of women is a profoundly disabling notion."
Germaine Greer. I love her.
> Ned
Ned
Nov 8, 2023, 10:47:38 PM11/8/23
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recently, the 2022 Ana de Armas movie "Blonde", which came
from the Joyce Carol Oates book of the same name?
The Kennedy scenes were monstrous. I don't know how it got
made.
But you're never going to convince women to not use sex. It's
like telling men not to use violence. You are defying their
genetic imperative.
Ned
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