Does anyone know if the Best and Worst Horror Book lists with commentaries that
the late Karl Edward Wagner did for the Twilight Zone Magazine in the early
eighties was ever reproduced on the net somewhere? Or can anyone tell me what
issue it was published in?
Thanks,
David
alt.horror.cthulhu
Jim
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Before you buy.
Where's the 'worst' list? Was there one?
-bf, curious
Jim
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Well, don't hold back! Let's have a look at it! ;-)
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John Pelan (Nominating Sydney Horler's collection for the top spot...)
Yeesh. As usual, more reading I haven't done, yet.
I did read _The Screaming Mimi_ (Fredric Brown) within the last year.
Interesting book, kind of a step toward Woolrich territory. But it
definitely struck me as 1940s -- something about the characters,
specifically the main protagonist. It's one of the things that bothers
me about some of Woolrich: the two romantic leads in _The Night Has a
Thousand Eyes_, for instance. Maybe that's what bothers me: I read them
and see them played in '40s movies by John Hodiak and Evelyn Ankers, or
Dennis Morgan (or O'Keefe -- he was in _Leopard Man_ based on a Woolrich
novel) and Audrey Totter.
Randy
Visualizing Evelyn Ankers bothers you? WTF?
;-)
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John Pelan
Ahhh, yes, we used to be quite the pair. Here's a snapshot of me and
Evelyn from happier days...
http://www1.50megs.com/finvarra/pics/Ankers02.jpg?50m=image
rbadac, wistfully
Well, when you put it that way, no. Though I rather prefer Julia Adams
or Gene Tierney or Martha Vickers, and I'm darned fond of visualizing
Jane Russell and ...
...
YOU JUST HAD TO START THIS, DIDN'T YOU?
Randy
> In article <8uuibc$gqe$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> John Pelan <jpe...@cnw.com> wrote:
> > In article <3A12C66F...@library.syr.edu>,
> > Randy Money <rbm...@library.syr.edu> wrote:
> > It's one of the things that bothers me about some of Woolrich: the two
> > romantic leads in _The Night Has a Thousand Eyes_, for instance.
> Maybe
> > that's what bothers me: I read them and see them played in '40s movies
> > by John Hodiak and Evelyn Ankers, or Dennis Morgan (or O'Keefe -- he
> > was in _Leopard Man_ based on a Woolrich novel) and Audrey Totter.
> > >
> > > Randy
> >
> > Visualizing Evelyn Ankers bothers you? WTF?
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > --
> > John Pelan
>
>
> Ahhh, yes, we used to be quite the pair. Here's a snapshot of me and
> Evelyn from happier days...
>
> http://www1.50megs.com/finvarra/pics/Ankers02.jpg?50m=image
I got this message when I tried to view that:
"We don't allow hotlinking to files on our server from other servers.
50Megs.com is to be used as a website service and not a place to store
files on."
But when I hit reload they let me see it anyway.
You sure were handsome back in those days.
-paggers
>
> rbadac, wistfully
Dang. Didn't work for me.
Randy
Jim
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> Ahhh, yes, we used to be quite the pair. Here's a snapshot of me and
> Evelyn from happier days...
>
> http://www1.50megs.com/finvarra/pics/Ankers02.jpg?50m=image
>
> rbadac, wistfully
And here's a photo of Evelyn and me before
that lounge lizard rbadac stole her heart. To
this day, it beats me what she ever saw in him.
http://www.shill.simplenet.com/actress/
ankere02.jpg
RPN (still furious)
> Dang. Didn't work for me.
Me either.
So I'm picturing Evelyn with a member of the Nairobi Trio.
John B.
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"You'll never make it. Give up now. Quit squirming. You idiot. Who
cares? Surrender. It won't work. Aha! Told you so." -- Matt Groening,
LIFE IN HELL (1982)
> In article <8uuk11$ide$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> rba...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Ahhh, yes, we used to be quite the pair. Here's a snapshot of me and
> > Evelyn from happier days...
> >
> > http://www1.50megs.com/finvarra/pics/Ankers02.jpg?50m=image
> >
> > rbadac, wistfully
>
>
> And here's a photo of Evelyn and me before
> that lounge lizard rbadac stole her heart. To
> this day, it beats me what she ever saw in him.
>
> http://www.shill.simplenet.com/actress/
> ankere02.jpg
>
> RPN (still furious)
Okay, here's me in my coquettish youth with the REAL johnny rbadac:
http://198.60.22.4/~emailbox/barry/gb9.jpg
-paghat
Jim
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Jim:
To follow the letter of "fair use" as I understand it, it's perfectly
permissible to reproduce the lists with attribution sans commentary.
--
John Pelan
O.K. Here are the non-Wagner lists, minus the individual authors'
commentary, from the two-part article "The Five Foot Fantasy Book-
Shelf" in TWILIGHT ZONE MAGAZINE, June and August 1983:
13 SUPREME MASTERS OF WEIRD FICTION (R.S Hadji)
1. Algernon Blackwood
2. Ray Bradbury
3. Walter de la Mare
4. Hanns Heinz Ewers
5. E.T.A. Hoffmann
6. M.R. James
7. Franz Kafka
8. J. Sheridan LeFanu
9. H.P. Lovecraft
10. Arthur Machen
11. Edgar Allan Poe
12. Jean Ray
13. Claude Seignolle
13 ALL-TIME CLASSICS OF FANTASY (Thomas M. Disch)
1. William Godwin CALEB GODWIN, OR THINGS AS THEY ARE
2. Matthew Gregory Lewis THE MONK
3. Baron de la Motte Fouque UNDINE
4. Charles Maturin MELMOTH THE WANDERER
5. James Hogg CONFESSIONS OF A JUSTIFIED SINNER
6. Charlotte Perkins Gilman "The Yellow Wallpaper"
7. Henry James THE TURN OF THE SCREW
8. Oliver Onions "The Beckoning Fair one"
9. David Garnett "Lady into Fox"
10. Guy Endore THE WEREWOLF OF PARIS
11. Fritz Leiber CONJURE WIFE
12. Sarban (John W. Wall) THE SOUND OF HIS HORN
13. Donald Barthelme SNOW WHITE
13 WORST STINKERS OF THE WEIRD (R.S. Hadji)
1. Marie Corelli THE SORROWS OF SATAN
2. M.P. Dare UNHOLY RELICS
3. Otto Fredrick COUNT DRACULA'S CANADIAN AFFAIR
4. Vern Hassan THE GRIP OF FEAR
5. Ivar Jorgenson REST IN AGONY
6. Mallory T. Knight DRACUTWIG
7. Brian Lumley THE TRANSITION OF TITUS CROWE
8. Arabella Randolphe THE VAMPIRE TAPES
9. John Saul SUFFER THE CHILDREN
10. John Shirley CELLARS
11. Guy n. Smith THE SUCKING PIT
12. Bram Stoker THE LAIR OF THE WHITE WORN
13. Violet Van Der Elst THE VAMPIRE BARONESS
13 GREAT WORKS OF FANTASY FROM THE LAST 13 YEARS (Thomas M. Disch)
1. Gabriel Garcia Marquez ONE HUNDRED YEARS OF SOLITUDE
2. Cynthia Ozick THE PAGAN RABBI AND OTHER STORIES
3. Italo Calvino INVISIBLE CITIES
4. Jaimy Gordon SHAMP OF THE CITY-SOLO
5. Brian Moore THE GREAT VICTORIA COLLECTION
6. Harry Matthews THE SINKING OF THE ODRADEK STADIUM AND OTHER NOVELS
7. Joan Samson THE AUCTIONEER
8. Michael Moorcock DANCERS AT THE END OF TIME
9. Joanna Russ ALYX
10. Sylvia Townsend Warner THE KINGDOMS OF ELFIN
11. Richard Lortz LOVERS LIVING, LOVERS DEAD
12. Stuart Dybek CHILDHOOD AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD
13. John Crowley LITTLE, BIG
13 NEGLECTED MASTERPIECES OF THE MACABRE (R.S. Hadji)
1. A.C. Benson BASIL NETHERBY
2. John Blackburn BURY HIM DARKLY
3. Leonard Cline DARK CHAMBER
4. Hanns Heinz Ewers THE SORCERER'S APPRENTICE
5. Jane Gaskell THE SHINY NARROW GRIN
6. Anne Herbert CHILDREN OF THE BLACK SABBATH
7. Gordon Honeycombe NEITHER THE SEA NOR THE SAND
8. Violet Hunt TALES OF THE UNEASY
9. Vincent O'Sullivan A BOOK OF BARGAINS
10. Adrian Ross (Arthur Ropes) THE HOLE OF THE PIT
11. Eleanor Scott RANDALL'S ROUND
12. Claude Seignolle THE ACURSED
13. E. H. Visiak MEDUSA
THE 13 MOST TERRIFYING HORROR STORIES (R.S. Hadji)
1. Gertrude Atherton "The Striding Place"
2. E.F. Benson "Negotiam Perambulans"
3. Algernon Blackwood "The Willows"
4. Ray Bradbury "the Jar"
5. Ramsey Campbell "In the Bag"
6. F. Marion Crawford "The Upper Berth"
7. Lafcadio Hearn "Mujina"
8. Robert E. Howard "Pigeons from Hell"
9. M.R. James "The Ash-Tree"
10. David Keller "The Thing in the Cellar"
11. Henry Kuttner "The Graveyard Rats"
12. H.P. Lovecraft "The Haunter of the Dark"
13. H. Russell Wakefield "The Frontier Guards"
THE 13 MOST TERRIFYING HORROR STORIES (T.E. D. Klein)
1. M.R. James "Casting the Runes" (also "Count Magnus," "The Ash-Tree,"
"The Treasure of Abbott Thomas")
2. Arthur Machen "The Novel of the Black Seal" (also "The White
People," "Out of the Picture")
3. Algernon Blackwood "The Willows"
4. H.P. Lovecraft "The Dunwich Horror" (also "The Call of Cthulhu")
5. John Collier "Bird of Prey"
6. John W. Campbell "Who Goes There?'
7. Anthony Boucher "They Bite"
8. Raymond F. Jones "Stay Off the Moon!"
9. George Bamber "Ottmar Balleau X 2"
10. Richard Matheson "First Anniversary" (also "Prey")
11. Michael Shea "The Autopsy"
12. Ramsey Campbell "The Trick" (also "Cold Print," "The Interloper,"
"The Endo fo a Summer's Day"
13. Jack London "To Build a Fire"
*Honorable Mentions*
Charles Beaumont "Fritschen"
Donald A. Wollheim "Mimic"
Fritz Leiber "A Bit of the Dark World"
Sarban RINGSTONES
William Hope Hodgson THE HOUSE ON THE BORDERLAND
Jim
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13 WORST STINKERS OF THE WEIRD (R.S. Hadji)
1. Marie Corelli THE SORROWS OF SATAN
I didn't think this was Corelli's best, but I certainly wouldn't single
this novel out to head a list of "worst of all-time". I let Jessica
tackle this one...
2. M.P. Dare UNHOLY RELICS
Am I the only one that actually LIKES M.P. Dare? While some of his
imagery is amusing rather than frightening, I find him no better or
worse than several other Jamesians.
3. Otto Fredrick COUNT DRACULA'S CANADIAN AFFAIR
4. Vern Hassan THE GRIP OF FEAR
5. Ivar Jorgenson REST IN AGONY
6. Mallory T. Knight DRACUTWIG
Damn, I've missed these...
7. Brian Lumley THE TRANSITION OF TITUS CROWE
Silly and pulpy, I rather enjoyed it when it came out, (I was fourteen
or fifteen at the time), somehow I don't think it hold up to a
rereading now...
8. Arabella Randolphe THE VAMPIRE TAPES
Missed this too...
9. John Saul SUFFER THE CHILDREN
Has this guy ever written a good book? I've started two or three Saul
novels and come to the conclusion that life's just too damn short...
10. John Shirley CELLARS
Wait a minute... I'd be more inclined to put this on a list of "best
horror of the eighties" than on a list of bad books. There are some
flaws, but even in this early novel, Shirley was awfully good. Grim and
violent, this could be called "splatterpunk" long before the term was a
marketing device.
11. Guy n. Smith THE SUCKING PIT
Ha-ha, the sad thing is that this is one of Smith's BETTER novels...
12. Bram Stoker THE LAIR OF THE WHITE WORM
Certainly not one of Stoker's best, but I can think of a hundred novels
that are much worse.
13. Violet Van Der Elst THE VAMPIRE BARONESS
Hmm, another one that I've got to find to satisfy my morbid curiousity.
In an eerie fashion, that is actually more appropriate.
http://www.zulu.co.nz/gallery/sweetwaters.htm
rbadac, the one with the guitar
Hee hee. I was, wasn't I?
First time I ever saw one of those "no, you can't easily access our
site" notices. Frankly, I don't see the difference. I suppose one could
simply type the addy in manually, if one were that curious about a
silly gag of mine!
rbadac, with a pencilled-in mustache
What happened to the percussionist?
John B.
~-------------------------------------------------------------~
"You'll never make it. Give up now. Quit squirming. You idiot. Who
cares? Surrender. It won't work. Aha! Told you so." -- Matt Groening,
LIFE IN HELL (1982)
>5. Ivar Jorgenson REST IN AGONY
>6. Mallory T. Knight DRACUTWIG
>
>Damn, I've missed these...
The Jorgensen (also issued under the author's right name of Paul W.
Fairman) is by no means great, but not remarkably bad. Certainly he did worse
science fiction.
And DRACUTWIG... Well, it is perfectly obvious from the moment that you
pick it up what you have in your hands (a swinging London vampire teenybopper)
so it seems pointless to complain. I actually liked it in a perverse way. On
the other hand, I got it to review, so I didn't pay for it.
Mark Owings
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John Pelan
Jim, Thanks!!! That more than answered my orignal question. These lists
are quite interesting. We appreciate you time and effort.
-blackfrancis
In article <8v0mt7$887$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> 2. M.P. Dare UNHOLY RELICS
> 3. Otto Fredrick COUNT DRACULA'S CANADIAN AFFAIR
> 4. Vern Hassan THE GRIP OF FEAR
> 5. Ivar Jorgenson REST IN AGONY
> 6. Mallory T. Knight DRACUTWIG
> 7. Brian Lumley THE TRANSITION OF TITUS CROWE
> 8. Arabella Randolphe THE VAMPIRE TAPES
> 9. John Saul SUFFER THE CHILDREN
> 10. John Shirley CELLARS
> 11. Guy n. Smith THE SUCKING PIT
> 12. Bram Stoker THE LAIR OF THE WHITE WORN
> 13. Violet Van Der Elst THE VAMPIRE BARONESS
>
> 13 GREAT WORKS OF FANTASY FROM THE LAST 13 YEARS (Thomas M. Disch)
> 1. Gabriel Garcia Marquez ONE HUNDRED YEARS OF SOLITUDE
> 2. Cynthia Ozick THE RABBI AND OTHER STORIES
> 3. Italo Calvino INVISIBLE CITIES
> 4. Jaimy Gordon SHAMP OF THE CITY-SOLO
> 5. Brian Moore THE GREAT VICTORIA COLLECTION
> 6. Harry Matthews THE SINKING OF THE ODRADEK STADIUM AND OTHER NOVELS
> 7. Joan Samson THE AUCTIONEER
> 8. Michael Moorcock DANCERS AT THE END OF TIME
> 9. Joanna Russ ALYX
> 10. Sylvia Townsend Warner THE KINGDOMS OF ELFIN
> 11. Richard Lortz LOVERS LIVING, LOVERS
> > In an eerie fashion, that is actually more appropriate.
> >
> > http://www.zulu.co.nz/gallery/sweetwaters.htm
> >
> > rbadac, the one with the guitar
>
> What happened to the percussionist?
>
> John B.
I don't know! He must not have been photogenic. I'm still trying to
figure out why four guys is a "trio" and you wanna add a *fifth*?
rbadac