> HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
It is written that GOD is Spirit.
> One substance? Just a few chapters later it says that Jesus'
>all “one”, and they are even “one” with God and Jesus. If reading it the
>same way you
>did, God is not a Trinity but a multiplicity since the disciples are
>also “one” with God.
> > Moreover, of all the names of GOD, Who is the Father, the Son, and the
> > Holy Spirit, GOD's most exalted name is Jesus according to what is
> > written at Philippians 2:10-11.
>“10. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in
>heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
>11. And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to
>the glory of God the Father.” (KJV)
"Jesus: Who, being in very nature GOD,did not consider equality with
GOD something to be used to his own advantage rather, He made Himself
nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human
likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself
by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross! Therefore GOD
exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name that is above
every name" (Philippians 2:5-9)
"Every name" would include Yahwah, Jehovah, or YHWH.
Suggested additional reading:
>The Bible NEVER says that Jesus is Yahwah, or that Jesus is Jehovah, or
>that Jesus is
>YHWH. It never says those things because God CREATED Jesus:
>-- American Standard
>Colossians 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of
Which means that to see LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth in the flesh is
to see GOD, Who is otherwise invisible (Colossians 1:15) for it is
written elsewhere that GOD is Spirit, Who is by definition invisible.
> > GOD in the realm of the mind (i.e. knowing) is the Father.
> > GOD in the realm of the heart (i.e. desires) is the Son.
> > GOD in the realm of the spiritual (soul & strength) is the Holy
> > Spirit.
> > It is written that we are to love GOD in all the realms (i.e. heart,
> > soul, mind, & strength)
> That's right. And also to love Jesus.
Jesus is GOD in the flesh.
> >> Two separate wills here. Speaking of
> >> wills....
> >> If Jesus is God, then his will also will be the Father's will. But that
> >> is not what the Bible says:
> >> -- New King James
> >> Luke 22:42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, remove this cup from
> >> Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.''
> >> Again, two separate wills here.
> > Two separate realms.
> Actually, it says two separate 'wills.'
Actually, it describes two separate perspectives.
> > The will in the realm of the mind is righteousness.
> > The will in the realm of the heart is desire.
> > It is right for righteousness to prevail over desire.
> > Luke 22:42 informs us that our Mighty (Isaiah 9:6) GOD putting His
> > life down in order to save us is simply something He knows in His Mind
> > (Father) is the right thing to do even though in His Heart (Son) He
> > didn't desire to do it.
> His actual name was to be “Jesus.” Lu 1:31,
>"And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son,
>and shalt call his name Jesus." (KJV)
>Those other names in Isaiah are attributes of Jesus.
"Mighty GOD" (Isaiah 9:6) is infinitely more than an attribute/label.
> >> Thomas more than likely knew of Jesus' words a few verses earlier at
> >> "I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."
> >> Thus Jesus was also returning to Thomas' (and all other humans') God.
> >> Also, Jesus clearly said that no one has ever seen God. Joh 1:18,
> >> "No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in
> >> the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (KJV)
> > To see GOD would mean to also see the Holy Spirit of GOD.
>But if Jesus is also God, then you could apparently see the Holy Spirit
>of Jesus, but
>at the same time see the physical body of Jesus (God as you say), which
>would contradict Scripture.
Again, GOD is Spirit, Who is by definition invisible (Colossians 1:15)
> > By definition, the Holy Spirit is invisible to the living.
>So is God and today so is Jesus. No human will ever see Jesus again with
... except when He returns to rescue those of us, who are rapture
(Luke 17:37) ready, from the "Great Tribulation."
Suggested additional reading:
> > Therefore, the Son is right that "no man hath seen GOD at any time."
> Your logic is betraying you. If Jesus is God, and God is invisible, then
> Jesus should be
I am not the Author of the Bible.
It is written that all of Scripture is GOD-breathed and useful for
training in righteousness.
Thus, indeed, the Author, Who is GOD, is invisible and His logic is
To see GOD in the flesh (i.e. to see Jesus) is not the same as seeing
GOD, Who is invisible.
GOD is Spirit, Who is not flesh, and remains invisible, by definition.
Nonetheless, LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is GOD in the flesh.
> But many people saw Jesus with their physical eyes. Also, if
>Jesus is God, and many
>saw Jesus, then many saw God with their physical eyes. But the Bible
>says no one can see God
>and live to tell about it.
Those of us in the flesh can only see GOD in the flesh.
Those, who are dead (i.e. no longer in the flesh) can see GOD, Who is
> >> And Thomas (and many others) had seen Jesus. So Scripturally, Jesus
> >> could not have been God Almighty because they were even still alive
> >> after seeing Jesus. (see Ex 33:20) And jumping to just 3 few verses
> >> later that same writer, the apostle John, wrote that Jesus was the "Son
> >> of God", not God. (John 20:31)
> >> Also, Jesus died, but God ALWAYS LIVED, and always will live:
> > Actually, what is written **in the Bible** is that the Son states that He is the One to
> > put His life down and He is the One to take His life up again.
** added with emphasis **
> The Bible says that God raised Jesus from the dead.
> Not Jesus raised himself.
"The Bible says" that if everything that Jesus did were written down
there would not be enough room on planet Earth for all the books that
would be written.
> > His life has not been taken from Him.
> > That really does prove that the Son is GOD, Who is the only One Who
> > can do this thereby proving He is the Resurrection and the Life.
> Please show me the Scripture that says Jesus raised himself.
"The reason My Father loves Me is that I lay down My life -- only to
take it up again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own
accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up
again. This command I received from My Father." (John 10:17)
> >> -- New King James
> >> Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had
> >> formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting,
> >> You are God.
> > "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with GOD, and the
> > Word was GOD. HE was with GOD in the beginning. Through Him all things
> > were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made." (John
> > 1:1-3)
>That is a mistranslation; “the Word was God”. Because of the Greek
>there, it should read “the Word was a god.” Notice these translations:
>"a god was the Word." (interlinear ED) ;
>"the Word was a god" (NTIV).
"the Word was a god" is inconsistent with the context here:
"No one has ever seen GOD, but the One and only Son, Who is Himself
GOD and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him
known." (John 1:18)
> >> But what about Thomas' remark at seeing Jesus, “My Lord and my God”!
> >> Well, if somebody just saw a dead man walk in front of him, a person
> >> might say,
> >> “JESUS, MARY, AND JOSEPH!! I can't believe my eyes!
> > Actually, instead of one of sudden surprise, the context here is LORD
> > Jesus commanding Thomas to receive the evidence that he had
> > **earlier** stated that he needed in order to believe.
> >> Thus Thomas' comment could have been one of extreme excitement.
> > "Negatrons." See above.
> >> He was
> >> NOT calling Jesus, God, since he knew better.
> > Those familiar with the Isaiah 9:6 prophecy, including possibly even
> > Thomas, would know to call the Son our "Mighty GOD" and "Everlasting
> > Father."
> > "For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government
> > will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor,
> > Mighty GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6)
>Those are just labels. See Above.
Again, "Mighty GOD" is infinitely more than "just a label."
I again advise that you, James, really try to write that you're
"wonderfully hungry" since we've re-established here that you are:
So now again, how are you ?