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Disproving Creation: The Genome Disproves Intelligent Design

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Budikka666

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Nov 7, 2012, 5:21:48 PM11/7/12
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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/11/06/decipher-dna/

Junk DNA:
"Protein-coding genes make up just 1.5 percent of our genome. The rest
includes a lot of what is thought to be useless junk with no
discernible function."

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/06/06/will-we-ever-clone-a-mammoth/

Our close relationship with other animals:
"Rather than producing mammoth DNA from scratch, you could tweak DNA
from an African elephant. The genomes of the two species differ by
just 0.6 percent, half the difference between us and chimpanzees."

Humans closer to chimpanzees than rats are to mice, so if rats and
mice are the same family ("kind") then so are we and chimpanzees.

In short, creationism is as wrong as you can get.

No *intelligent* designer would screw up the genomelike ours is, with
repetitive sequences, junk, viral intrusions and broken genes.

Budikka

Andrew

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Nov 7, 2012, 7:03:48 PM11/7/12
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"Budikka666" <budi...@netscape.net> wrote in message news:f71df8f8-f8f8-4323...@e6g2000vbw.googlegroups.com...
> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/11/06/decipher-dna/
>
> Junk DNA:
> "Protein-coding genes make up just 1.5 percent of our
> genome. The rest includes a lot of what is thought to
> be useless junk with no discernible function."

No, the so called "Junk DNA" has *now been decoded*.
http://www.p2l.it/1fs

"They have determined that junk DNA is actually used to
regulate gene expression. Or, junk DNA is really on-off
switches for protein encoding DNA. ENCODE project
results were published by Nature, Scientific American,
New York Times and others." http://www.p2l.it/1fs

So the truth is out, that our Creator did not make "junk"
when He created the DNA for all living things..after all.





There really IS a Creator.







Worship Him!


Smiler

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Nov 7, 2012, 8:13:40 PM11/7/12
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Your evidence for this is, what, exactly?
Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.

>
> There really IS a Creator.

Prove it.

>
> Worship Him!

Nope.

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

Ken

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Nov 7, 2012, 9:07:18 PM11/7/12
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On Nov 7, 4:01 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote nothing
worth repeating, just the usual goditit BS

Doesn't it hurt to be so fucking stupid, Amdy?

Andrew

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Nov 9, 2012, 1:20:50 PM11/9/12
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"Smiler" wrote in message news:pan.2012.11.08....@JoeKing.com...
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/11/06/decipher-dna/
>>>
>>> Junk DNA:
>>> "Protein-coding genes make up just 1.5 percent of our
>>> genome. The rest includes a lot of what is thought to be useless junk
>>> with no discernible function."
>>
>> No, the so called "Junk DNA" has *now been decoded*.
>> http://www.p2l.it/1fs
>>
>> "They have determined that junk DNA is actually used to regulate gene
>> expression. Or, junk DNA is really on-off switches for protein encoding
>> DNA. ENCODE project results were published by Nature, Scientific
>> American, New York Times and others." http://www.p2l.it/1fs
>>
>> So the truth is out, that our Creator did not make "junk" when He created
>> the DNA for all living things..after all.
>
> Your evidence for this is, what, exactly?

Here --> http://www.p2l.it/1fs

> Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.

If you want the truth, then renounce the falsehood about
the supposedly junk DNA. The truth is, that our Creator
did not make "junk" when He created the DNA required
for life in all things, plant or animal.



Worship Him!



Caranx latus

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Nov 9, 2012, 1:59:10 PM11/9/12
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Assuming for the sake of argument that God did create DNA, why couldn't
that DNA have mutated into a form in which there is "junk"? Assuming
that you claim that junk DNA simply doesn't exist, wouldn't that mean
that the number of genes that an organism has should somehow reflect on
its complexity?

Andrew

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Nov 9, 2012, 2:06:06 PM11/9/12
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"Caranx latus" wrote in message news:7ncns.9135$763....@fe16.iad...
No.


Caranx latus

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Nov 9, 2012, 2:14:17 PM11/9/12
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Why not? Organisms with a large genome have the instructions to
manufacture more proteins than organisms with smaller genomes. If these
proteins are manufactured but not used for something, doesn't that make
them junk?

Devils Advocaat

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Nov 9, 2012, 3:23:55 PM11/9/12
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On 9 Nov, 19:04, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Caranx latus" wrote in messagenews:7ncns.9135$763....@fe16.iad...
> > On 11/9/2012 1:20 PM, Andrew wrote:
> >> "Smiler" wrote in messagenews:pan.2012.11.08....@JoeKing.com...
> >>>   Andrew wrote:
> >>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
> >>>>>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/11/06/deciphe...
>
> >>>>> Junk DNA:
> >>>>> "Protein-coding genes make up just 1.5 percent of our
> >>>>>   genome. The rest includes a lot of what is thought to be useless junk
> >>>>>   with no discernible function."
>
> >>>> No,  the so called "Junk DNA" has *now been decoded*.
> >>>>                          http://www.p2l.it/1fs
>
> >>>> "They have determined that junk DNA is actually used to regulate gene
> >>>> expression. Or, junk DNA is really on-off switches for protein encoding
> >>>> DNA. ENCODE project results were published by Nature,  Scientific
> >>>> American, New York Times and others."    http://www.p2l.it/1fs
>
> >>>> So the truth is out, that our Creator did not make "junk" when He created
> >>>> the DNA for all living things..after all.
>
> >>> Your evidence for this is, what, exactly?
>
> >> Here -->  http://www.p2l.it/1fs
>
> >>> Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
>
> >> If you want the truth, then renounce the falsehood about
> >> the supposedly junk DNA. The truth is, that our Creator
> >> did not make "junk" when He created the DNA required
> >> for life in all things, plant or animal.
>
> > Assuming for the sake of argument that God did create DNA, why couldn't that DNA have mutated into a form in which there is
> > "junk"? Assuming that you claim that junk DNA simply doesn't exist, wouldn't that mean that the number of genes that an organism
> > has should somehow reflect on its complexity?
>
> No.

So you are as good as saying there has been no Fall.

Seth lePod

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Nov 9, 2012, 7:43:59 PM11/9/12
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On Nov 9, 11:18 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Smiler" wrote in messagenews:pan.2012.11.08....@JoeKing.com...
> >  Andrew wrote:
> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
> >>>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/11/06/deciphe...
>
> >>> Junk DNA:
> >>> "Protein-coding genes make up just 1.5 percent of our
> >>>  genome. The rest includes a lot of what is thought to be useless junk
> >>>  with no discernible function."
>
> >> No,  the so called "Junk DNA" has *now been decoded*.
> >>                        http://www.p2l.it/1fs
>
> >> "They have determined that junk DNA is actually used to regulate gene
> >> expression. Or, junk DNA is really on-off switches for protein encoding
> >> DNA. ENCODE project results were published by Nature,  Scientific
> >> American, New York Times and others."    http://www.p2l.it/1fs
>
> >> So the truth is out, that our Creator did not make "junk" when He created
> >> the DNA for all living things..after all.


:
> >> So the truth is out, that our Creator did not make "junk" when He created
> >> the DNA for all living things..after all.

:
> > Your evidence for this is, what, exactly?

:
> Here --> http://www.p2l.it/1fs

Didn't actually read that, did you? It in no sense
does it say that all DNA is functional.

A participant in ENCODE I read an interview
with estimates that a bit less than 20 percent
of the genome will eventually be shown to
be doing anything useful. Right now that
figure stands at around 9 percent.

(hint: being transcribed into RNA does not
demonstrate that the resulting RNA does
anything further)

Here, read an analysis with a bit more depth:


http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/09/27/jonathan-wells-talks-about-history/

:
> > Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.

:
> If you want the truth, then renounce the falsehood
> about the supposedly junk DNA. The truth is, that our
> Creator did not make "junk" when He created the DNA
> required for life in all things, plant or animal.

So, one single stretch of non-functional DNA would
totally falsify so sweeping a claim. Just one section.

Guess what: the current estimate is that eight percent
of the human genome is due to insertion of DNA from
viruses.

Guess what else: your genome is littered with ancient
genes which no longer work. Care to guess why you are
capable of getting scurvy, while the great great majority of
mammals can not?


(I'm taking bets: at this point Andrew will claim that
our DNA was "perfect", but has been munged since The
Fall. He will say this without feeling the slightest


Seth

Budikka666

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All Flee & Hide All-Seeing-| Ran:
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All-Seeing-| denies Christ Thrice:
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BrailJOB the LiarBoi Loonbag DENYING Jesus THRICE, shrinking away like
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The above are included in the following examples of BrailJOB running in
every single case when he was given ONE HUNDRED Opportunities to
witness for his LORD:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.talk.creationism/msg/c69a90d07c0a4d79

Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank's most recent denials of his creator
god:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
cbe97ddc53be5a00?scoring=d&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/
thread/59b246e0c8e3e4f9?scoring=d&

Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank Ran from challenges in SIX THREADS
simultaneously:
http://tinyurl.com/8cpp6ru
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
e8da88e0f6b5a76b?hl=en&scoring=d&
Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate the
authenticity of the "Shroud of Turin", Creationist Coward-For-Christ™
Andrew-a-Blank openly admitted that he could not support his LIES by
turning tail and running like the rank coward that he is, thereby proving
that he has ZERO FAITH in his worthless and fictitious god. If there
were an omnipotent creator god, and this loser actually *had* any faith,
he would have trusted that god to support him and he would have taken me
up on my debate offer.

http://tinyurl.com/9rm86aj
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/
thread/245ef4c4f9f8933b?scoring=d&
Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate the
existence of Jesus Christ, miracle-working son of a god, Creationist
Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank openly admitted that he could not
support his LIES by turning
tail and running like the rank coward that he is, thereby proving that he
has ZERO FAITH in his worthless and fictitious god. If there were an
omnipotent creator god, and this loser actually *had* any faith, he
would have trusted that god to support him and he would have taken me up
on my debate offer.

http://tinyurl.com/8o3wsmg
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
ec1a84272b3493f1?scoring=d&
Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate the Noahic
flood, Creationist Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank openly admitted that
he could not support his LIES by turning tail and running like the rank
coward that he is, thereby proving that he has ZERO FAITH in his
worthless and fictitious god. If there were an omnipotent creator god,
and this loser actually *had* any faith, he would have trusted that god
to support him and he would have taken me up on my debate offer.

http://tinyurl.com/9hpgy2v
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
db798efe8d1d0c97?scoring=d&
Given the chance to stand up for his god and present scientific evidence
in support of many wild claims he had made, Creationist Coward-For-
Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank openly admitted that he could not support his LIES
by turning tail and running like the rank coward that he is, thereby
proving that he has ZERO FAITH in his worthless and fictitious god. If
there were an omnipotent creator god, and this loser actually *had* any
faith, he would have trusted that god to support him and he would have
taken me up on my debate offer.

http://tinyurl.com/986crjk
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
fb6771658c489b66?scoring=d&
Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate ENCODE's
latest data, Creationist Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank openly
admitted that he could not support his LIES by turning tail and running
like the rank coward that he is, thereby proving that he has ZERO FAITH
in his worthless and fictitious god. If there were an omnipotent creator
god, and this loser actually *had* any faith, he would have trusted that
god to support him and he would have taken me up on my debate offer.

http://tinyurl.com/ckeaadm
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
c786b453f00abb9a?scoring=d&
Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate his 8
unsupported claims about information, Creationist Coward-For-Christ™
Andrew-a-Blank openly admitted that he could not support his LIES by
turning tail and running like the rank coward that he is, thereby proving
that he has ZERO FAITH in his worthless and fictitious god. If there
were an omnipotent creator god, and this loser actually *had* any faith,
he would have trusted that god to support him and he would have taken me
up on my debate offer.
So now you know the truth about Andrew-a-Blank - even *he* does not truly
believe in this god he espouses!
End of story.

Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank Ran from a simple question in *another*
SIX THREADS simultaneously:
http://tinyurl.com/7zghp7o
http://tinyurl.com/76a8chm
http://tinyurl.com/6q3q498
http://tinyurl.com/6n2swsr
http://tinyurl.com/7rvtlyu
http://tinyurl.com/7x4m3fv

Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank Ran from a debate on DNA in *yet
another* TEN THREADS simultaneously:
http://tinyurl.com/7zcuwsb
http://tinyurl.com/7t47anq
http://tinyurl.com/7wvegqc
http://tinyurl.com/6rg67wc
http://tinyurl.com/8yqo8fw
http://tinyurl.com/77bopo8
http://tinyurl.com/86zwhj6
http://tinyurl.com/7zlzxtd
http://tinyurl.com/7eknx73
http://tinyurl.com/6lgcwpq

Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank denies Christ thrice:
http://tinyurl.com/7x9c5wn
http://tinyurl.com/74h455e
http://tinyurl.com/7kl4hc7

Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank ran from debate:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/7dd8ed410470f4c2?hl=en
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
e8da88e0f6b5a76b?hl=en&scoring=d&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/
thread/245ef4c4f9f8933b?scoring=d&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
e9b89ac33e01ce5b?scoring=d&
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/
thread/836bea1f79468d9b?hl=en&scoring=d&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/
thread/728ceae4eb1d55e3?scoring=d&
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/
thread/3a31410d460b908e?hl=en&scoring=d&

BilliBoi Chicken Bill Ran:
http://tinyurl.com/3pabgsu

Coward-For-Christ™ Calvin Ramsey Denying Christ Thrice:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
e789f4adad4e8fad?scoring=d&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/
thread/5ddc9354493b62b3?scoring=d&
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Coward-For-Christ™ Codebreaker Ran:
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Duck & Run Duke Ran:
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Budikka

Devils Advocaat

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:22:11 PM11/9/12
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On 10 Nov, 01:04, Budikka666 <Budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
> All Flee & Hide All-Seeing-| Ran:http://tinyurl.com/3zmbfkuhttp://tinyurl.com/6w3mbrrhttp://tinyurl.com/cp8de7yhttp://tinyurl.com/77tkgdk
>
> All-Seeing-| denies Christ Thrice:http://tinyurl.com/836mqf8http://tinyurl.com/6lj584phttp://tinyurl.com/7pz5ljp
>
> BrailJOB the LiarBoi Loonbag DENYING Jesus THRICE, shrinking away like
> a limp Peter at the passion:http://tinyurl.com/6kck7b5http://tinyurl.com/7d2s93zhttp://tinyurl.com/6wyp6se
>
> The above are included in the following examples of BrailJOB running in
> every single case when he was given ONE HUNDRED Opportunities to
> witness for his LORD:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.talk.creationism/msg/c69a90d07c0a4d79
>
> Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank's most recent denials of his creator
> god:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
> cbe97ddc53be5a00?scoring=d&http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/
> thread/59b246e0c8e3e4f9?scoring=d&
>
> Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank Ran from challenges in SIX THREADS
> simultaneously:http://tinyurl.com/8cpp6ruhttps://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
> e8da88e0f6b5a76b?hl=en&scoring=d&
> Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate the
> authenticity of the "Shroud of Turin", Creationist Coward-For-Christ™
> Andrew-a-Blank openly admitted that he could not support his LIES by
> turning tail and running like the rank coward that he is, thereby proving
> that he has ZERO FAITH in his worthless and fictitious god.  If there
> were an omnipotent creator god, and this loser actually *had* any faith,
> he would have trusted that god to support him and he would have taken me
> up on my debate offer.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9rm86ajhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/
> thread/245ef4c4f9f8933b?scoring=d&
> Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate the
> existence of Jesus Christ, miracle-working son of a god, Creationist
> Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank openly admitted that he could not
> support his LIES by turning
> tail and running like the rank coward that he is, thereby proving that he
> has ZERO FAITH in his worthless and fictitious god.  If there were an
> omnipotent creator god, and this loser actually *had* any faith, he
> would have trusted that god to support him and he would have taken me up
> on my debate offer.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8o3wsmghttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
> ec1a84272b3493f1?scoring=d&
> Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate the Noahic
> flood, Creationist Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank openly admitted that
> he could not support his LIES by turning tail and running like the rank
> coward that he is, thereby proving that he has ZERO FAITH in his
> worthless and fictitious god.  If there were an omnipotent creator god,
> and this loser actually *had* any faith, he would have trusted that god
> to support him and he would have taken me up on my debate offer.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9hpgy2vhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
> db798efe8d1d0c97?scoring=d&
> Given the chance to stand up for his god and present scientific evidence
> in support of many wild claims he had made, Creationist Coward-For-
> Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank openly admitted that he could not support his LIES
> by turning tail and running like the rank coward that he is, thereby
> proving that he has ZERO FAITH in his worthless and fictitious god.  If
> there were an omnipotent creator god, and this loser actually *had* any
> faith, he would have trusted that god to support him and he would have
> taken me up on my debate offer.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/986crjkhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
> fb6771658c489b66?scoring=d&
> Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate ENCODE's
> latest data, Creationist Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank openly
> admitted that he could not support his LIES by turning tail and running
> like the rank coward that he is, thereby proving that he has ZERO FAITH
> in his worthless and fictitious god.  If there were an omnipotent creator
> god, and this loser actually *had* any faith, he would have trusted that
> god to support him and he would have taken me up on my debate offer.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ckeaadmhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
> c786b453f00abb9a?scoring=d&
> Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate his 8
> unsupported claims about information, Creationist Coward-For-Christ™
> Andrew-a-Blank openly admitted that he could not support his LIES by
> turning tail and running like the rank coward that he is, thereby proving
> that he has ZERO FAITH in his worthless and fictitious god.  If there
> were an omnipotent creator god, and this loser actually *had* any faith,
> he would have trusted that god to support him and he would have taken me
> up on my debate offer.
> So now you know the truth about Andrew-a-Blank - even *he* does not truly
> believe in this god he espouses!
> End of story.
>
> Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank Ran from a simple question in *another*
> SIX THREADS simultaneously:http://tinyurl.com/7zghp7ohttp://tinyurl.com/76a8chmhttp://tinyurl.com/6q3q498http://tinyurl.com/6n2swsrhttp://tinyurl.com/7rvtlyuhttp://tinyurl.com/7x4m3fv
>
> Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank Ran from a debate on DNA in *yet
> another* TEN THREADS simultaneously:http://tinyurl.com/7zcuwsbhttp://tinyurl.com/7t47anqhttp://tinyurl.com/7wvegqchttp://tinyurl.com/6rg67wchttp://tinyurl.com/8yqo8fwhttp://tinyurl.com/77bopo8http://tinyurl.com/86zwhj6http://tinyurl.com/7zlzxtdhttp://tinyurl.com/7eknx73http://tinyurl.com/6lgcwpq
>
> Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank denies Christ thrice:http://tinyurl.com/7x9c5wnhttp://tinyurl.com/74h455ehttp://tinyurl.com/7kl4hc7
> thread/728ceae4eb1d55e3?scoring=d&https://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/
> thread/3a31410d460b908e?hl=en&scoring=d&
>
> BilliBoi Chicken Bill Ran:http://tinyurl.com/3pabgsu
>
> Coward-For-Christ™ Calvin Ramsey Denying Christ Thrice:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/
> e789f4adad4e8fad?scoring=d&http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/
> thread/5ddc9354493b62b3?scoring=d&http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/
> thread/5cfb83a18dbc7442?scoring=d&
>
> Coward-For-Christ™ Codebreaker Ran:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/
> thread/5868cad2d0302527/f756e4d43ab0ae9f?q=Where+is+the+Soul%3F
> +group:alt.atheism+author:Budikka#f756e4d43ab0ae9f
>
> Duck & Run Duke Ran:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/0cb3889ae3bd41dd
>
> Duck & Run Duke Denies Christ Thrice:http://tinyurl.com/867lax4http://tinyurl.com/7kawoknhttp://tinyurl.com/3brposl
>
> Flatnads Fasghnad RAN:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/
> thread/58c9df7a83bdd7e3?scoring=d&
>
> IlNeverBeBauck IlBeBauck Ran:http://tinyurl.com/3efeutehttp://tinyurl.com/7ppk3mqhttp://tinyurl.com/7trpdtehttp://tinyurl.com/82fte2ahttp://tinyurl.com/6n5pj4u
>
> IlNeverBebauck denies Christ thrice:http://tinyurl.com/7kl4hc7http://tinyurl.com/7od78wthttp://tinyurl.com/7abfajg
>
> Joe Bruno Ran away:http://tinyurl.com/8m38v5w
>
> Patrick denies Christ thrice:http://tinyurl.com/7l5hyw5
>
> US4Lyin' US4ZION Ranhttp://tinyurl.com/79f9oxx
>
> US4ZION Denies Christ Thrice:http://tinyurl.com/7oqwbqqhttp://tinyurl.com/7rpq6chhttp://tinyurl.com/7pj5ut5
>
> Old Man Joke Old Man Joe ran:http://tinyurl.com/887lhzh
>
> Zacharias Mulletstein Denies Christ Thrice:http://tinyurl.com/7a47jy8
>
> Budikka

In response to your subject line change.

I disagree.

If it were pure bullshit.

It would be useful.

:)

Ralph

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On 11/9/2012 1:20 PM, Andrew wrote:
Do you ever read what you post?? Read the god damn article and you will
see that there is still questionable DNA.

Ralph

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On 11/9/2012 2:06 PM, Andrew wrote:
Why? It seems that would be highly probable.

Smiler

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:20:50 -0800, Andrew wrote:

> "Smiler" wrote in message
> news:pan.2012.11.08....@JoeKing.com...
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/11/06/decipher-dna/
>>>>
>>>> Junk DNA:
>>>> "Protein-coding genes make up just 1.5 percent of our
>>>> genome. The rest includes a lot of what is thought to be useless junk
>>>> with no discernible function."
>>>
>>> No, the so called "Junk DNA" has *now been decoded*.
>>> http://www.p2l.it/1fs
>>>
>>> "They have determined that junk DNA is actually used to regulate gene
>>> expression. Or, junk DNA is really on-off switches for protein encoding
>>> DNA. ENCODE project results were published by Nature, Scientific
>>> American, New York Times and others." http://www.p2l.it/1fs
>>>
>>> So the truth is out, that our Creator did not make "junk" when He
>>> created the DNA for all living things..after all.
>>
>> Your evidence for this is, what, exactly?
>
> Here --> http://www.p2l.it/1fs

No mention of any creator there. Try again.

>
>> Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
>
> If you want the truth, then renounce the falsehood about the supposedly
> junk DNA. The truth is, that our Creator did not make "junk" when He
> created the DNA required for life in all things, plant or animal.

What creator? None is in evidence.

>
> Worship Him!

Nope. I don't worship figments of your imagination, because I'm sane.

Andrew

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No DNA without a creation by a Creator.



Devils Advocaat

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Nov 10, 2012, 12:52:27 AM11/10/12
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On 10 Nov, 02:25, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> No DNA without a creation by a Creator.

What observable, physical, verifiable evidence do you have to support
your claim?

SkyEyes

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Nov 10, 2012, 2:49:27 AM11/10/12
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On Nov 9, 7:25 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> No DNA without a creation by a Creator.

Actually: (This was posted originally by jillery over on T.O.):

For those interested in something different than an IDist doing his
usual dodging and weaving, here are some links that I think are
interesting:

<http://ogremk5.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/origins-of-life-%E2%80%93-
ami...>

This explains that the DNA code found on Earth didn't need to appear
all-at-once, but evolved stepwise from an initial start of a few of
the most common and thermally stable amino acids into the code we
observe today.

The above contains links to a previous article:

<http://ogremk5.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/origins-of-life-%e2%80%93-
wha...>

This shows how amino acids and nucleic acids can self-assemble into a
simple 5-nucleotide tRNA strand.

<http://ogremk5.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/origin-of-life-rna-self-
repli...>

This describes how RNA can self-replicate outside of a cell.

The above contains links to previous articles:

<http://ogremk5.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/origins-of-life-can-rna-
spont...>

This describes how RNA can self-assemble outside of a cell.

<http://ogremk5.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/origins-of-life-darwins-
littl...>

This desccribes how nucleotides self-assemble into 100-base RNA
strands outside of a cell.

<http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/06/13/the-origin-of-life-on-
ea...>

This describes how phospholipids and fatty acids self-assemble into
cell-like bubbles with pores large enough to pass macromolecules.

<http://wavefunction.fieldofscience.com/2010/12/new-place-new-view-
slo...>

This explains that increased temperature increases reactivity of some
pre-biotic chemistry far more than expected, increasing the likelihood
of abiogenesis.

AOTA are from the following Scienceblog:

<http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/30/we-can-know-nothing-
abou...>

which has many other links, most of which are paywalled.

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2442388/pdf/
rstb20061881.pdf

This describes some of the abiotic chemical precursors found around
alkaline hydrothermal vents, a possible location for abiogenesis.

Happy reading.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

Seth lePod

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Seth lePod

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Nov 10, 2012, 3:06:43 AM11/10/12
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On Nov 10, 12:49 am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
Ten to one that Andrew dismisses any and all
of this as "fantasy".

Three to one that he doesn't read any of it.

Eight to one that Andrew does not dismiss
Balaam's ass as "fantasy"

Seth

Andrew

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:45:33 AM11/10/12
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"Seth lePod" wrote in message news:707996f2-1d29-4a62...@m4g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...
Yes, or shall we say.. pseudo metaphysical fantasy
decked out in scientific garb to deceive the masses.


Seth lePod

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Nov 10, 2012, 5:32:26 AM11/10/12
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On Nov 10, 2:43 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Seth lePod" wrote in messagenews:707996f2-1d29-4a62...@m4g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...
Wow! That was one hell of a lot of material there,
Andrew. I'm pretty much familiar with most of the
basics, and it still would have taken me quite some
time to digest it all.

So, what's your secret? How did you manage
not just to read through all that, but to find the
flaws in each and every writeup?

Really, I'm serious: do enlighten us with
your insights. Let's just take, say the first four
essays, and you can critique each for us

Deal?

Good! Go:
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*

Seth

Devils Advocaat

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Nov 10, 2012, 5:33:11 AM11/10/12
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On 10 Nov, 09:43, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Seth lePod" wrote in messagenews:707996f2-1d29-4a62...@m4g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...
So when proper facts are examined, and a valid hypothesis put forward
and tested to the point it becomes a theory and that's repeatedly
tested and withstands that testing, and it goes against your beliefs,
you'll reject it out of hand. In my opinion that is utter foolishness.

Budikka

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Nov 10, 2012, 9:04:36 AM11/10/12
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On Nov 9, 8:25 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> No DNA without acreationby a Creator.

Why, because lying scum like you says so? You dishonestly change the
title of the message to "proving" and then RUN every single time
you're asked for this so-called proof! lol!

You yourself have DENIED CHRIST THRICE:
Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank denies Christ thrice:
http://tinyurl.com/7x9c5wn
http://tinyurl.com/74h455e
http://tinyurl.com/7kl4hc7

That's how hypocritical you are.

Once again, heartfelt thanks for helping me show everyone how
thoroughly dishonest creationism is. Scum like you make my job ten
tiems easier. Oh, and congrats on dragging so many atheists along
with you into your fraudulent subject change. Sometimes atheists are
more like sheep than Christians, aren't they? But that won't help
you, because people are smarter than you can ever credit them, and
they can see your dishonesty and cowardice. The more you indulge
yourself in it like the religiously spoiled brat you are, the mroe
they will reject your position.

And no amount of creationist fraud and dishonesty will ever prevent me
from hammering creationism into its grave. I post the facts and show
how they support evolution. All you do is stick you fingers in yoru
ears and chant "no it isn't" and run like diarrhea every time you're
asked to do the same as I do so regularly.

How well do you suppose that your cowardly tactics will work?
Seriously? How many people do you expect to win to your cause when
everyone can see that your supposedly omnipotent god offers no spine
to you? He can't save you from your cowardice any more than he can
save you form your delusions. How many people will want to follow
someone who they see is manifestly dishonest to the core and who has
ZERO FAITH in the very god he's suppsoedly championing?

Keep up the good work Android.
http://tinyurl.com/986crjk
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/fb6771658c489b66?scoring=d&
Budikka

Seth lePod

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Nov 10, 2012, 11:54:48 AM11/10/12
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On Nov 10, 2:43 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Seth lePod" wrote in messagenews:707996f2-1d29-4a62...@m4g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...
Oh, and while you're working away on your
critiques of those first four links, let me ask you
a quickie: motivation. What so motivates people
that they can spend years of their lives and tens
of thousands of dollars getting a degree in biology,
then endless hours in the lab, followed by writing
and re-writing and re-writing papers...just so they
can get their chance to "deceive the masses"?

Seriously, is that what you think drives biologists?
If so, why?

(you might want to consider Coleridge's famous
evaluation of Shakespeare's Iago before replying.
It's perfectly germane)

Seth

Ralph

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Nov 10, 2012, 12:16:00 PM11/10/12
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On 11/9/2012 9:26 PM, Andrew wrote:
> No DNA without a creation by a Creator.
>
>
>

Unsupported assertion.

Ken

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Nov 10, 2012, 12:28:37 PM11/10/12
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Yes, or shall we say.. pseudo metaphysical fantasy decked out in
religious garb to deceive the gullible masses.


Andrew

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Nov 10, 2012, 3:54:28 PM11/10/12
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"Seth lePod" wrote in message news:bebe61bb-ca33-446f...@y5g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Seth lePod" wrote:
>> > SkyEyes wrote:
Here are some points to keep in mind:

1. Evidence shows that the earth never had a reducing atmosphere.

2. Amino acids will not link to form a biological protein, apart from
the mechanism to do so which is in cells that are *already* alive.

3. RNA is not synthesized ~except~ in cells that are *already* alive.
And, the nucleotides (of which RNA is made) require for -their-
synthesis the mechanism to do so that is in ~living~ cells.

Now, in light of the above, please point out any one of Brenda's
links above, that you think is not dependent on fantasy, contrary
to these established scientific facts.

Thank you.


Andrew


Andrew

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:03:16 PM11/10/12
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"Budikka" wrote in message news:574ac7fd-9515-4450...@q16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:

>> No DNA without acreationby a Creator.

>Why..?

DNA has a system of symbols that are used by an encoding and
decoding mechanism that transmits instructions for assembling
a complete organism. These instructions are independent of the
communication medium itself, therefore the DNA molecule is
solid positive evidence of a purposeful creation and therefore
of a Creator.

I hope this helps to answers your question.


Thank you.



Andrew


Andrew

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:06:16 PM11/10/12
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"Ralph" wrote in message news:rsmdncO_jv5LFgPN...@giganews.com...
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> No DNA without a creation by a Creator.
>>
> Unsupported assertion.

Can you have a code without a code maker?

No.




Devils Advocaat

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:06:49 PM11/10/12
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On 10 Nov, 21:04, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Ralph" wrote in messagenews:rsmdncO_jv5LFgPN...@giganews.com...
> > Andrew wrote:
>
> >> No DNA without a creation by a Creator.
>
> > Unsupported assertion.
>
> Can you have a code without a code maker?
>
> No.

Still you fail to understand information theory.

Devils Advocaat

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Nov 10, 2012, 4:08:47 PM11/10/12
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On 10 Nov, 20:52, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Seth lePod" wrote in messagenews:bebe61bb-ca33-446f...@y5g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...
Still you fail to understand science.

The Magpie

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Nov 10, 2012, 5:07:53 PM11/10/12
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On 10/11/2012 21:03, Andrew wrote:
> "Budikka" wrote in message
> news:574ac7fd-9515-4450...@q16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>
>
"Andrew" wrote:
>
>>> No DNA without acreationby a Creator.
>
>> Why..?
>
> DNA has a system of symbols
>
No it doesn't.
>
> that are used by an encoding and decoding mechanism
>
No they are not.
>
> that transmits instructions
>
No it does not.
>
> for assembling a complete organism.
>
No it does not.
>
> These instructions are independent of the communication medium
>
What there are (not instructions) are completely *dependent* on the
communication medium.
>
> itself, therefore the DNA molecule is solid positive evidence of a
> purposeful creation and therefore of a Creator.
>
Since you are wrong in every claim, you are wrong in this conclusion.

Christopher A. Lee

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Nov 10, 2012, 5:16:11 PM11/10/12
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The "conclusion" is a non-sequitur even if the rest stood up.

Jeanne Douglas

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Nov 10, 2012, 5:52:02 PM11/10/12
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In article <0N-dnf5PW_c6XQPN...@earthlink.com>,
Of course, that load of twaddle answers nothing.

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

Adam

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Nov 10, 2012, 6:04:59 PM11/10/12
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On 2012-11-10 05:52 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:> In article
Good response, Andrew. From what the Lord said to us about them, I
suspected as much when I would watch the first animals being born.

Christopher A. Lee

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Nov 10, 2012, 6:16:33 PM11/10/12
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What a fucking moron.

Adam

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On 2012-11-10 06:16 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012
Christopher of course is the result of DNA splicing with people, animals
and a tomato. That's why he acts the way that he does.

Adam & Eve

Christopher A. Lee

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 18:25:35 -0500, Adam
How is treating a fucking moron as a fucking moron for posting such
mind-boggling stupidity, evidence for that, imbecile?

>Adam & Eve

Jesus

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Nov 10, 2012, 6:36:34 PM11/10/12
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Watch the language, Christopher. We're Christians here.

Christopher A. Lee

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Nov 10, 2012, 6:45:07 PM11/10/12
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Speak for yourself, imbecile.

Keep you creationist insanity to yourselves and nobody will know what
fucking morons you are.

Andrew

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Nov 10, 2012, 7:44:02 PM11/10/12
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"Ralph" wrote in message news:BtadnYWo1-2XMgDN...@giganews.com...
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Smiler" wrote:
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/11/06/decipher-dna/
>>>>>
>>>>> Junk DNA:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Protein-coding genes make up just 1.5 percent of our
>>>>> genome. The rest includes a lot of what is thought to be
>>>>> useless junk with no discernible function."
>>>>
>>>> No, the so called "Junk DNA" has *now been decoded*.
>>>> http://www.p2l.it/1fs
>>>>
>>>> "They have determined that junk DNA is actually used to regulate gene
>>>> expression. Or, junk DNA is really on-off switches for protein encoding
>>>> DNA. ENCODE project results were published by Nature, Scientific
>>>> American, New York Times and others." http://www.p2l.it/1fs
>>>>
>>>> So the truth is out, that our Creator did not make "junk" when He created
>>>> the DNA for all living things..after all.
>>>
>>> Your evidence for this is, what, exactly?
>>
>> Here --> http://www.p2l.it/1fs
>>
>>> Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
>>
>> If you want the truth, then renounce the falsehood about
>> the supposedly junk DNA. The truth is, that our Creator
>> did not make "junk" when He created the DNA required
>> for life in all things, plant or animal.
>
> Do you ever read what you post?? Read the.. article and
> you will see that there is still questionable DNA.

Yes, there are still some things you don't understand.
But there is enough to know that DNA is evidence of
a creation by a Creator. That is the important thing to
understand, Ralph.


Andrew

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"The Magpie" wrote in message news:_eAns.250334$A%.215110@fx26.am4...
You are obviously waaaay outside of your field.


Devils Advocaat

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Nov 10, 2012, 8:00:59 PM11/10/12
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On 10 Nov, 21:01, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Budikka" wrote in messagenews:574ac7fd-9515-4450...@q16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >> No DNA without acreationby a Creator.
> >Why..?
>
> DNA has a system of symbols that are used by an encoding and
> decoding mechanism that transmits instructions for assembling
> a complete organism.

Would you care to identify these alleged symbols?

These instructions are independent of the
> communication medium itself,

But if you take away the DNA the information is no longer there.

How then is the information independent of the medium?

> therefore the DNA molecule is
> solid positive evidence of a purposeful creation and therefore
> of a Creator.

Your conclusion is in error.

Jeanne Douglas

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Nov 10, 2012, 8:58:09 PM11/10/12
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In article <2pCdnS3BmtcDaQPN...@earthlink.com>,
BWAHAHAHA!!!

And what, precisely, are your qualification to authoritatively speak
about genetics?

Ralph

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Nov 10, 2012, 10:30:52 PM11/10/12
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If that is what you brought away from the actual article, I think I see
your problem.
There are fence posts with more intellect than you have.

SkyEyes

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On Nov 10, 1:03 am, Seth lePod <v.inferna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 10, 12:49 am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 9, 7:25 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> Oooh!  Michael Russell!  Cold Seeps!
>
> You really really want this book
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Life-Ascending-Great-Inventions-Evolution/dp/03...

I'll put it in this year's letter to Santa, on my list of Highly
Desired Goodies.

SkyEyes

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On Nov 10, 1:52 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Seth lePod" wrote in messagenews:bebe61bb-ca33-446f...@y5g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...
*What* evidence shows this? Please explain in as much detail as you
can.
>
> 2. Amino acids will not link to form a biological protein, apart from
>     the mechanism to do so which is in cells that are  *already* alive.

Cite, please?
>
> 3. RNA is not synthesized ~except~ in cells that are *already* alive.

But that's what one of the papers documented. You can't say it
doesn't happen, it *does*. READ THE PAPERS.

>     And, the nucleotides (of which RNA is made) require for -their-
>     synthesis the mechanism to do so that is in ~living~ cells.

Cite, please?
>
> Now, in light of the above, please point out any one of Brenda's
> links above, that you think is not dependent on fantasy, contrary
> to these established scientific facts.

No. *You* back up your assertions with peer-reviewed papers first.
And answer Seth's question upthread.

SkyEyes

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On Nov 10, 5:43 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "The Magpie" wrote in messagenews:_eAns.250334$A%.215110@fx26.am4...
<Splort>

Oh, wow. Not only did I ruin my keyboard, my irony meter exploded and
scared the kitteh (the *deaf* kitteh, which takes some doin').

You really *must* warn us when you intend to come out with those
boners, Andrew. Give a gal a chance to swallow her diet ginger ale,
at the very least.

SkyEyes

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On Nov 10, 4:36 pm, Jesus <Je...@Christ.org> wrote:
> On 2012-11-10 06:27 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 18:25:35 -0500, Adam
> > <adam7days6000years...@creation.org> wrote:
>
> >> On 2012-11-10 06:16 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012
> >> 18:04:59 -0500, Adam
> >>> <adam7days6000years...@creation.org> wrote:
>
> >>>> On 2012-11-10 05:52 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:> In article
> >>>> <0N-dnf5PW_c6XQPNnZ2dnUVZ_uOdn...@earthlink.com>,
> >>>>>     "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Of course, that load of twaddle answers nothing.
>
> >>>> Good response, Andrew.  From what the Lord said to us about them, I
> >>>> suspected as much when I would watch the first animals being born.
>
> >>> What a fucking moron.
>
> >> Christopher of course is the result of DNA splicing with people, animals
> >> and a tomato.  That's why he acts the way that he does.
>
> > How is treating a fucking moron as a fucking moron for posting such
> > mind-boggling stupidity, evidence for that, imbecile?
>
> >> Adam & Eve
>
> Watch the language, Christopher.  We're Christians here.

*You* may be, but we're fucking well *not*. Gird up your loins and
learn to live with it. Cussing never killed anybody.

SkyEyes

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On Nov 10, 8:30 pm, Ralph <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 11/10/2012 7:44 PM, Andrew wrote:
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> > "Ralph" wrote in messagenews:BtadnYWo1-2XMgDN...@giganews.com...
> >>   Andrew wrote:
> >>> "Smiler" wrote:
> >>>>    Andrew wrote:
> >>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
> >>>>>>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/11/06/deciphe...
Fence posts? At least they, being made of wood, were once alive. I
have decorative *rocks* in my front yard that are smarter than Andrew.

Don Martin

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 18:36:34 -0500, Jesus <Je...@Christ.org> wrote:

In an atheist newsgroup, you "Christians" are quite welcome to go fuck
yourselves with an entrenching tool (you cheap bastards may share one
if you like).

--

aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/

Seth lePod

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On Nov 10, 1:52 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Seth lePod" wrote in messagenews:bebe61bb-ca33-446f...@y5g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...
Did I ask you for hand-waving generalities?
No, I did not. What I DID and AM demanding of you
for are specific criticisms of specific articles.

Pick an article. Get busy.

Oh, and just for your edification:

1) if you're still hung up on Miller's experiments,
get over it. No one is postulating a reducing
atmosphere these days -- and more importantly,
few are even thinking about life having arisen
on the surface.

2) who says that proteins were a component
of the first blobs that could be called "life"?
No researcher in this fieldl that I know of.

3) nucleotides have been found on asteroids.
Are you claiming that there is life in open space?

Now pick one and start getting specific.

Seth

Oh and by the way?

"Nucleotide phosphorylation and RNA oligomerization
take place in water in non-enzymatic abiotic conditions."

-JDS book of abstracts for 2011

Budikka666

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On Nov 10, 6:43 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> You are obviously waaaay outside of your field.

This from the worthless scum who has ZERO credentials, yet who demands
that we accept his lies, and then turns around and RUNS every time
*we* demand he supports them? lol!

Thanks for showing everyone on Usenet what a coward, a liar, and a
vacuous hypocrite for Christ you are.

You're way better than I am at discrediting your brain-dead beliefs.

Andrew-a-Blank's shameful record of denying Christ follows.

Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank's most recent denials of his creator
god:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/cbe97ddc53be5a00?scoring=d&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/59b246e0c8e3e4f9?scoring=d&

Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank Ran from challenges in SIX THREADS
simultaneously:
http://tinyurl.com/8cpp6ru
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/e8da88e0f6b5a76b?hl=en&scoring=d&
Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate the
authenticity of the "Shroud of Turin", Creationist Coward-For-Christ™
Andrew-a-Blank openly admitted that he could not support his LIES by
turning tail and running like the rank coward that he is, thereby
proving that he has ZERO FAITH in his worthless and fictitious god.
If there were an omnipotent creator god, and this loser actually *had*
any faith, he would have trusted that god to support him and he would
have taken me up on my debate offer.

http://tinyurl.com/9rm86aj
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/245ef4c4f9f8933b?scoring=d&
Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate the
existence of Jesus Christ, miracle-working son of a god, Creationist
Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank openly admitted that he could not
support his LIES by turning
tail and running like the rank coward that he is, thereby proving that
he has ZERO FAITH in his worthless and fictitious god. If there were
an omnipotent creator god, and this loser actually *had* any faith, he
would have trusted that god to support him and he would have taken me
up on my debate offer.

http://tinyurl.com/8o3wsmg
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/ec1a84272b3493f1?scoring=d&
Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate the
Noahic flood, Creationist Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank openly
admitted that he could not support his LIES by turning tail and
running like the rank coward that he is, thereby proving that he has
ZERO FAITH in his worthless and fictitious god. If there were an
omnipotent creator god, and this loser actually *had* any faith, he
would have trusted that god to support him and he would have taken me
up on my debate offer.

http://tinyurl.com/9hpgy2v
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/db798efe8d1d0c97?scoring=d&
Given the chance to stand up for his god and present scientific
evidence in support of many wild claims he had made, Creationist
Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank openly admitted that he could not
support his LIES by turning tail and running like the rank coward that
he is, thereby proving that he has ZERO FAITH in his worthless and
fictitious god. If there were an omnipotent creator god, and this
loser actually *had* any faith, he would have trusted that god to
support him and he would have taken me up on my debate offer.

http://tinyurl.com/986crjk
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/fb6771658c489b66?scoring=d&
Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate ENCODE's
latest data, Creationist Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank openly
admitted that he could not support his LIES by turning tail and
running like the rank coward that he is, thereby proving that he has
ZERO FAITH in his worthless and fictitious god. If there were an
omnipotent creator god, and this loser actually *had* any faith, he
would have trusted that god to support him and he would have taken me
up on my debate offer.

http://tinyurl.com/ckeaadm
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/c786b453f00abb9a?scoring=d&
Given the chance to stand up for his god and formally debate his 8
unsupported claims about information, Creationist Coward-For-Christ™
Andrew-a-Blank openly admitted that he could not support his LIES by
turning tail and running like the rank coward that he is, thereby
proving that he has ZERO FAITH in his worthless and fictitious god.
If there were an omnipotent creator god, and this loser actually *had*
any faith, he would have trusted that god to support him and he would
have taken me up on my debate offer.
So now you know the truth about Andrew-a-Blank - even *he* does not
truly believe in this god he espouses!
End of story.

Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank Ran from a simple question in
*another* SIX THREADS simultaneously:
http://tinyurl.com/7zghp7o
http://tinyurl.com/76a8chm
http://tinyurl.com/6q3q498
http://tinyurl.com/6n2swsr
http://tinyurl.com/7rvtlyu
http://tinyurl.com/7x4m3fv

Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank Ran from a debate on DNA in *yet
another* TEN THREADS simultaneously:
http://tinyurl.com/7zcuwsb
http://tinyurl.com/7t47anq
http://tinyurl.com/7wvegqc
http://tinyurl.com/6rg67wc
http://tinyurl.com/8yqo8fw
http://tinyurl.com/77bopo8
http://tinyurl.com/86zwhj6
http://tinyurl.com/7zlzxtd
http://tinyurl.com/7eknx73
http://tinyurl.com/6lgcwpq

Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank denies Christ thrice:
http://tinyurl.com/7x9c5wn
http://tinyurl.com/74h455e
http://tinyurl.com/7kl4hc7

Coward-For-Christ™ Andrew-a-Blank ran from debate:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/7dd8ed410470f4c2?hl=en
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/e8da88e0f6b5a76b?hl=en&scoring=d&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/245ef4c4f9f8933b?scoring=d&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/e9b89ac33e01ce5b?scoring=d&
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/836bea1f79468d9b?hl=en&scoring=d&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/728ceae4eb1d55e3?scoring=d&
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/3a31410d460b908e?hl=en&scoring=d&

Budikka

Caranx latus

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Nov 11, 2012, 12:49:03 PM11/11/12
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Indeed. They know better than to construct arguments conclusion-first.

Budikka666

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On Nov 11, 11:46 am, Caranx latus <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Indeed. They know better than to construct arguments conclusion-first.

Evdiently not!

Budikka

Andrew

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"Budikka666" wrote in message news:859ed637-095e-499b...@4g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> You are obviously waaaay outside of your field.
>
> This from the worthless scum who has ZERO credentials,
> yet who demands that we accept his lies..

No, simply accept the truth. What I posted (below) was truth...

DNA has a system of symbols that are used by an encoding and
decoding mechanism that transmits instructions for assembling
a complete organism. These instructions are independent of the
communication medium itself, therefore the DNA molecule is
solid positive evidence of a purposeful creation and therefore
of a Creator.

I hope this helps to answers your previous question.


Thank you.



Andrew







Jesus loves you sooooo much!


Devils Advocaat

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Nov 11, 2012, 6:40:09 PM11/11/12
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On Nov 11, 10:39 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
>  "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:859ed637-095e-499b...@4g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >> You are obviously waaaay outside of your field.
>
> > This from the worthless scum who has ZERO credentials,
> > yet who demands that we accept his lies..
>
> No, simply accept the truth. What I posted (below) was truth...
>
> DNA has a system of symbols that are used by an encoding and
> decoding mechanism that transmits instructions for assembling
> a complete organism. These instructions are independent of the
> communication medium itself, therefore the DNA molecule is
> solid positive evidence of a purposeful creation and therefore
> of a Creator.

Poor Andrew.

How can information be independent of the medium that carries it?

Have you forgotten so soon?

I proved this claim of yours to be wrong.

With nothing but a simple scenario.

One copy of a book.

No one read it.

The author forgot its content.

The book was destroyed.

Where's its content?

You admitted.

"Gone".

Smiler

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 14:41:33 -0800, Andrew wrote:

> "Budikka666" wrote in message
> news:859ed637-095e-499b...@4g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> You are obviously waaaay outside of your field.
>>
>> This from the worthless scum who has ZERO credentials, yet who demands
>> that we accept his lies..
>
> No, simply accept the truth. What I posted (below) was truth...
>
> DNA has a system of symbols that are used by an encoding and decoding
> mechanism that transmits instructions for assembling a complete organism.
> These instructions are independent of the communication medium itself,
> therefore the DNA molecule is solid positive evidence of a purposeful
> creation and therefore of a Creator.
>

Repeating your lies doesn't make them any truer, Andrew.

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

Ralph

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Nov 11, 2012, 8:04:03 PM11/11/12
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Considering Jesus has been dead for sooooo long, that would be quite a feat.

Andrew

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Nov 11, 2012, 9:55:56 PM11/11/12
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"Smiler" wrote in message news:pan.2012.11.12....@JoeKing.com...
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> You are obviously waaaay outside of your field.
>>>
>>> This from the worthless scum who has ZERO credentials, yet who demands
>>> that we accept his lies..
>>
>> No, simply accept the truth. What I posted (below) was truth...
>>
>> DNA has a system of symbols that are used by an encoding and decoding
>> mechanism that transmits instructions for assembling a complete organism.
>> These instructions are independent of the communication medium itself,
>> therefore the DNA molecule is solid positive evidence of a purposeful
>> creation and therefore of a Creator.
>>
>
> Repeating your lies doesn't make them any truer, Andrew.


If what I wrote were not true, you would not be here to
talk about it.

Evidence is in.

There -is- a Creator.


GOD


Andrew

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Nov 11, 2012, 9:56:19 PM11/11/12
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"Ralph" wrote in message news:0pmdndT3naKX1j3N...@giganews.com...
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> You are obviously waaaay outside of your field.
>>> This from the worthless scum who has ZERO credentials,
>>> yet who demands that we accept his lies..
>> No, simply accept the truth. What I posted (below) was truth...
>>
>> DNA has a system of symbols that are used by an encoding and
>> decoding mechanism that transmits instructions for assembling
>> a complete organism. These instructions are independent of the
>> communication medium itself, therefore the DNA molecule is
>> solid positive evidence of a purposeful creation and therefore
>> of a Creator.
>>
>> I hope this helps to answers your previous question.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> Jesus loves you sooooo much!
>>
> Considering Jesus has been dead for sooooo long, that
> would be quite a feat.


"I am He that liveth, and was dead; and behold, I am alive
for evermore, Amen, and have the keys of hell and of death."
~ Jesus
Revelation 1:18


Devils Advocaat

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On Nov 12, 2:54 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Smiler" wrote in messagenews:pan.2012.11.12....@JoeKing.com...
It isn't true.

The Magpie

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On 11/11/2012 00:45, Andrew wrote:
> "The Magpie" wrote in message news:_eAns.250334$A%.215110@fx26.am4...
>> On 10/11/2012 21:03, Andrew wrote:
>>> "Budikka" wrote in message
>>> news:574ac7fd-9515-4450...@q16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> DNA has a system of symbols
>>>
>> No it doesn't.
>>>
>>> that are used by an encoding and decoding mechanism
>>>
>> No they are not.
>>>
>>> that transmits instructions
>>>
>> No it does not.
>>>
>>> for assembling a complete organism.
>>>
>> No it does not.
>>>
>>> These instructions are independent of the communication medium
>>>
>> What there are (not instructions) are completely *dependent* on the
>> communication medium.
>>>
>>> itself, therefore the DNA molecule is solid positive evidence of a
>>> purposeful creation and therefore of a Creator.
>>>
>> Since you are wrong in every claim, you are wrong in this conclusion.
>
> You are obviously waaaay outside of your field.
>
So says the ignorant.... to the highly qualified geneticist!

Ralph

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Nov 12, 2012, 5:06:34 PM11/12/12
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Since Jesus was dead, how did he write that garbage? Oh, that's
right.... he never wrote anything.
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