Homosexuality is more acceptable to atheists, than theists

[alal...@gmail.com]

Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.

Abhinav Lal
Writer & Investor

“Make love, not war”

[malkinm...@gmail.com]

Now, you've really proved yourself to be a bigoted troll. Go away, phony.

[Cloud Hobbit]

alal...@gmail.com said:


>Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.

Abhinav Lal

Atheists don't believe in an imaginary God that some folks believe thought homosexual behavior was a massive sin.

Other folks don't think the bible says God hates gays, which is one of the great lessons of the bible, everything can be interpreted in multiple ways.

That's why so many think it's useless.

That and the fiction, forgery, fables, and fraud. Absolutely stunning that so many people buy into such an enormously erroneous pile of nonsense.

[Malcolm McMahon]

alal...@gmail.com wrote:
Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the
freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a
higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or
do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
>

Most of the ethical standards of human societies are held in common, for
example the objection to murder and theft.

But religions are a tribal thing. To distiguish themselves they generate
arbitrary rules about stuff like clothing, food, and, above all, sex. This
allows a member of the tribe to decide who is in, and who is out.

Now the story with the Abrahamic faiths is that Leviticus had to compete
against a rival cult which offered a lot of kinky stuff as a benefit to
members. So, the better to abominate Baal worshipers, he made up a lot of
divine mandates about sex.

The gospels have absolutely nothing to say on the subject, but Paul was pretty
obsessed with it.

So, if you want to be a member of the tribe, you need to either follow the
rules or change them.

[alal...@gmail.com]

You have misinterpreted me, either because you are stupid or evil. Possibly a combination of both. This is not your private newsgroup that I have to go away.

Yes, I have been molested and sexually harassed by men and women. I am against sexual harassment. Not against consensual sex.

[malkinm...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 5:27:48 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 3:08:30 PM UTC+5:30, malkinm...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 4:05:33 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
> > >
> > > Abhinav Lal
> > > Writer & Investor
> > >
> > > “Make love, not war”
> >
> > Now, you've really proved yourself to be a bigoted troll. Go away, phony.
>
> You have misinterpreted me, either because you are stupid or evil. Possibly a combination of both. This is not your private newsgroup that I have to go away.

You say that anyone who disagrees with you is either stupid or evil. That must mean that everyone in the world must be stupid or evil, since even best friends and souses disagree with each other about one thing or another. It also shows
that you have a very closed mind.

>
> Yes, I have been molested and sexually harassed by men and women. I am against sexual harassment. Not against consensual sex.

That wasn't what you said in your last message. You sounded very bigoted against gays and tried to pin a lie on atheists about it. Some atheists are gay, most aren't. To most atheists, gay or not, that doesn't matter one bit.
Once they left their childhood or adult religion and realized they were
atheists, most atheists gradually dump their religious bigotries. Some don't
and I feel sorry for them. They can't overcome ingrained bigotries. You sound
like one of them if you are an atheist at all. I think you're a Christian.

[Ted]

Jesus was gay. That's obvious from the Gospel accounts of his relationship
with the Beloved Disciple. And artists throughout history have always known
that: https://tinyurl.com/y9do4qlx

[Robert Carnegie]

On Sunday, 13 January 2019 09:05:33 UTC, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.

Obviously, homos turn atheist if they find that the
religion they follow doesn't tolerate their sexuality.
Of else they practise religion outwardly and practise
homosexuality inwardly. (If they like it that way.)

[vtand...@gmail.com]

In order to have a sexual orientation, you have to be human. Some of the atheists who post here don't qualify.

[vtand...@gmail.com]

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 04:13:56 -0800 (PST), "malkinm...@gmail.com"

<malkinm...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 5:27:48 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 3:08:30 PM UTC+5:30, malkinm...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 4:05:33 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
>> > >
>> > > Abhinav Lal
>> > > Writer & Investor
>> > >
>> > > “Make love, not war”
>> >
>> > Now, you've really proved yourself to be a bigoted troll. Go away, phony.
>>
>> You have misinterpreted me, either because you are stupid or evil. Possibly a combination of both. This is not your private newsgroup that I have to go away.
>
>You say that anyone who disagrees with you is either stupid or evil. That must mean that everyone in the world must be stupid or evil, since even best friends and souses disagree with each other about one thing or another. It also shows
>that you have a very closed mind.

...and why he whines about having no friends.

>> Yes, I have been molested and sexually harassed by men and women. I am against sexual harassment. Not against consensual sex.
>
>That wasn't what you said in your last message. You sounded very bigoted against gays and tried to pin a lie on atheists about it. Some atheists are gay, most aren't. To most atheists, gay or not, that doesn't matter one bit.
>Once they left their childhood or adult religion and realized they were
>atheists, most atheists gradually dump their religious bigotries. Some don't
>and I feel sorry for them. They can't overcome ingrained bigotries. You sound
>like one of them if you are an atheist at all. I think you're a Christian.

Just killfile the loonie. I did. No doubt he will lie that I did it
out of hatred.

[zencycle]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 4:05:33 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:

Although I joined alt.atheism 12 years ago, I've never really spent a lot of time here until recently. I've read a lot of your posts recently, and didn't quite get why people here hate you so much. Now I know.

[alal...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 5:43:58 PM UTC+5:30, malkinm...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 5:27:48 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 3:08:30 PM UTC+5:30, malkinm...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 4:05:33 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
> > > >
> > > > Abhinav Lal
> > > > Writer & Investor
> > > >
> > > > “Make love, not war”
> > >
> > > Now, you've really proved yourself to be a bigoted troll. Go away, phony.
> >
> > You have misinterpreted me, either because you are stupid or evil. Possibly a combination of both. This is not your private newsgroup that I have to go away.
>
> You say that anyone who disagrees with you is either stupid or evil. That must mean that everyone in the world must be stupid or evil, since even best friends and souses disagree with each other about one thing or another. It also shows
> that you have a very closed mind.

No. You insulted me and lied about me, so I returned with insults that are true. Remember, you initiated insulting me. You continue lying. Why am I bigoted or closed minded, if I wrote, “Freedom of sexual preference is a human right”?

> >
> > Yes, I have been molested and sexually harassed by men and women. I am against sexual harassment. Not against consensual sex.

Abhinav Lal
Writer & Investor

“Love is the drug”

[Christopher A. Lee]

Hate is irrational - it's more like justified disgust, contempt etc
for his behaviour here. But he's too narcissistic to realise this, and
because he's paranoid he imagines it's because of who he is.

Did you see his lies about Mickey and her response?

He makes all sorts of nastily false accusations to people whose
answers he doesn't like, which tell the world more about himself than
about us.

I would suspect that many gays and lesbians (not "homos", would the
loonie like being called a wog?) become atheists, as the result of the
behaviour of the religious towards them.

In much the same way that atheists are unlikely to be Republicans due
to that party's being taken over by religious fundamentalists.

[vtand...@gmail.com]

ROTFL! Donald Trump is not the slightest bit religious. He is motivated by patriotism, not religion. The only Republican fundamentalist I know of is
George W Bush.

If I have to choose, I'll take the fundies over you any day of the week.

[Mitchell Holman]

vtand...@gmail.com wrote in
news:643feb0a-238b-4cc9...@googlegroups.com:

>
> ROTFL! Donald Trump is not the slightest bit religious. He is
> motivated by patriotism, not religion.

LOL!

President Five Deferments, a patriot?

Is that because he was a "great and
very brave soldier" duing Vietnam?





Trump Said Sleeping Around Was My "Personal Vietnam"
02.16.16

In a 1997 Howard Stern interview, the future
presidential candidate likened sleeping with
multiple women to service in the war he
repeatedly avoided.

"I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world.
It is a dangerous world out there. It’s scary,
like Vietnam. Sort of like the Vietnam-era,"
Trump said in a video that resurfaced Tuesday on
Buzzfeed, "It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like
a great and very brave soldier."

http://tinyurl.com/j44dtrl

[vtand...@gmail.com]

Trump failed his Army physical because he has bone spurs in his heels.

[Mitchell Holman]

vtand...@gmail.com wrote in news:326db43c-839d-4f52-bacd-45afb8d7f1b2
@googlegroups.com:

A diagnosis from s doctor PAID BY TRUMPS FATHER
to keep his boy out of uniform. NOT an Army doctor.





Podiatrist's daughters say bone spur diagnosis
that helped Trump avoid Vietnam draft was 'favor'
Dec. 27, 2018

WASHINGTON – Two daughters of a New York podiatrist
say that 50 years ago their father diagnosed President
Donald Trump with bone spurs in his heels as a favor
to the doctor's landlord, Fred Trump, The New York
Times reported Wednesday.

Trump received five deferments from the draft for
military service during the Vietnam War. He received
four education deferments while he was a college
student and a fifth deferment in 1968 for a medical
exemption after he graduated.

http://tinyurl.com/ybt8fvbo

[Don Martin]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 07:33:38 -0800 (PST), zencycle
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Turds find it difficult to conceal their true identity for any length
of time. One noses them out passing by their posts.

--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 12:46:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<noe...@verizont.net> wrote:

>vtand...@gmail.com wrote in
>news:643feb0a-238b-4cc9...@googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> ROTFL! Donald Trump is not the slightest bit religious. He is
>> motivated by patriotism, not religion.
>
>
> LOL!
>
> President Five Deferments, a patriot?
>
> Is that because he was a "great and
>very brave soldier" duing Vietnam?

It's Mad Joe Bruno the Loono. What do you expect?

[L.Roberts]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 4:05:33 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:

"Homosexuality is more acceptable to atheists, than theists.

That's right, this militant theist turned militant atheist
doesn't accept 'theists' at all. Just kidd'n, I don't care
who believes what, it's religionists who are
unacfuckingceptable.

[vtand...@gmail.com]

Several of my cousins also got college deferments. I had one while I was in law school. My brother had one, too.

[vtand...@gmail.com]

Bill Clinton also had a college deferment.
Jimmy Hoffa had one during WWII because the union work he did was considered essential.

[vtand...@gmail.com]

The New York Times??????HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[vtand...@gmail.com]

Tell us all about your military service, fruitcake.

[vtand...@gmail.com]

I was already clear of the Army draft as a Navy reservist when I volunteered for 4 years active duty.Tell us all about your military service..

[vtand...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 12:35:41 PM UTC-8, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 12:46:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizont.net> wrote:
>
> >vtand...@gmail.com wrote in
> >news:643feb0a-238b-4cc9...@googlegroups.com:
> >
> >>
> >> ROTFL! Donald Trump is not the slightest bit religious. He is
> >> motivated by patriotism, not religion.
> >
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > President Five Deferments, a patriot?
> >
> > Is that because he was a "great and
> >very brave soldier" duing Vietnam?
>
> It's Mad Joe Bruno the Loono. What do you expect?
>

“loono”
The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary.

[Kevrob]

I expect the % of religious folks who have same-sex or bisexual
preference are similar to that of atheists, but that those who
members of faiths that consider such activity sinful either
choose to hide those preferences or deny them, until they are
so overwhelming that they can't be.

Many sects, more now than years ago, are all right with having
gay members. You can even be a gay Catholic, as long as you don't
have sex outside heterosexual marriage. [That's go to be a
hard road.]

---
Kevin R
a.a #2310

[Robert Carnegie]

Look, it's not like he wants to host The Oscars.
I think he just doesn't know that "homo", for instance,
isn't a nice word in America, because that isn't
where he is.

[L.Roberts]

Well, I know the old testament, and there is nothing
that says, the character 'god' ever changed it's mind
about homosexuality. And the new testament, pure
unadulterated bullshit, and of which people say that
the late JC never spoke against homosexuality, he is
said to have spoken against all and any sex for
whosoever would follow him. If I have ever seen a
real Christian in my lifetime, it was one of the
homeless vagrants wondering thru town.

Sodomy, by the way, is any sex outside of missionary
style be it done by homosexuals or heterosexuals.

[default]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 01:05:30 -0800 (PST), alal...@gmail.com wrote:

>Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.

Liberty and freedom are atheist traits. The religious like the idea
of an authoritarian master that tells then how to live.

[Mitchell Holman]

vtand...@gmail.com wrote in
news:1c214f65-47ec-4f3f...@googlegroups.com:

Whatever it took to dodge Vietnam, right, Arty/Joe?







"I joined the Navy Reserve at first to avoid going to Vietnam."
Joe Bruno June 26 2015 http://tinyurl.com/oovvzzc

[Robert Carnegie]

Stragglers, still?

In the bible I don't recall Jesus saying no sex
(Paul said avoid it, unless you can't help it)
and he had lots of girlfriends. The 12 other guys
didn't, and they were called "the disciples"
which is from a Prince song so it is probably
a sex thing.

> Sodomy, by the way, is any sex outside of missionary
> style be it done by homosexuals or heterosexuals.

Including osculation.

At least, that's the missionaries' definition.
And several U.S. states.

[Michael Christ]

You are a slave to your fallen selfish nature.





Michael Christ

[vtand...@gmail.com]

From wiki:

United States
Main article: Sodomy laws in the United States
See also: LGBT rights in the United States
Sodomy laws in the United States were largely a matter of state rather than federal jurisdiction, except for laws governing the U.S. Armed Forces. In the early 1960s, the penalties for sodomy in the various states varied from imprisonment for two to ten years and/or a fine of US$2,000.[65] In 1962, the Model Penal Code recommended to the states repeal for consensual sodomy, and Illinois became the first American jurisdiction to do so.[66] By 2002, 36 states had repealed all sodomy laws or had them overturned by court rulings. The remaining sodomy laws were invalidated by the 2003 U.S. Supreme Court decision Lawrence v. Texas.

[vtand...@gmail.com]

Really? The USSR was ruled by Communist atheists from 1917 to 1989.China was ruled by Communist atheists from 1949 to the present.
Jews believe in the rule of laws that keep people from abusing each other.

[Kevrob]

Marxism, in the form of Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist ideology
or its Maoist extension is functionally equivalent to a religion.
Compare "dialectical materialism" to karma and dharma in Eastern
religion. The "cult of personality" treated the party leader
much like the ghod-kings of old. The North Korean Kims are atill
pulling this off.

Many Jewish people were sucked into supporting Communism.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:35:04 -0800 (PST), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>

wrote:

>On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:19:30 PM UTC-5, vtand...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 4:21:25 PM UTC-8, default wrote:
>> > On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 01:05:30 -0800 (PST), alal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > >Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t
>> > >imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience,
>> > >I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do
>> > >homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination
>> > >of both.
>> >
>> > Liberty and freedom are atheist traits. The religious like the idea
>> > of an authoritarian master that tells then how to live.
>>
>> Really? The USSR was ruled by Communist atheists from 1917 to 1989.China
>> was ruled by Communist atheists from 1949 to the present.

Atheism and communism are orthogonal. One can be either, neither or
both. In fact most Central American communists are/were Catholic. Look
up "liberation theology".

Which the deliberately nasty liar has had pointed out over and over
again.

He constantly tries to tar atheists as a group, with a brush of
particularly bad atheists.

Even though he knows perfectly well that atheism per se is a
non-event, just a demographic description showing something we don't
do, that neither motivates nor justifies anything.

And that it is not substantively different from not watching baseball,
not collecting stamps or not doing any of the other things we don't
do.

Is it any wonder that Mad Joe is heartily disliked, and this is just
one example of his appalling behaviour.

I don't know any atheist who tars Christians with the Hitler brush,
Jews with the Marx brush, etc.

Or even the Mad Joe brush.

>> Jews believe in the rule of laws that keep people from abusing each other.

Like the New York mobsters? Meyer Lanski, Bugsy Siegel, etc?

Like Carl Marx? Leon Trotsky?

And it certainly hasn't stopped Mad Joe from abusing atheists.

>Marxism, in the form of Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist ideology
>or its Maoist extension is functionally equivalent to a religion.
>Compare "dialectical materialism" to karma and dharma in Eastern
>religion. The "cult of personality" treated the party leader
>much like the ghod-kings of old. The North Korean Kims are atill
>pulling this off.

No. It's an economic system.

>Many Jewish people were sucked into supporting Communism.

You need to learn how the ordinary people had to endure extreme
poverty and deprivation, how the Tsar was an inbred crazy who didn't
listen to anybody because God had placed him there, and how the
Russian Orthodox Church let him get away with it even to the extent of
providing military support during the revolution. Apart from listening
to Rasputin, whom his wife brought in as a faith-healer to try and
cure his son's haemophilia. He even tried to run the Russian side
during WW1, rather than letting the generals do it.

Prime example was when the Tsar ordered sabre-wielding Cossack cavalry
to attack peaceful demonstrators in St. Petersburg in 1906 - which was
one of the pivotal events leading to the revolution.

[default]

Yeah, isn't it wonderful? Free of all that childhood malarkey they
were feeding me.
>
>
>Michael Christ

[default]

I saw a BBC documentary on how Putin is trying to bring back communism
while encouraging Christianity.

When it comes to politics and power, rulers will use whatever they can
to garner power. The ideology is just there as a sop for the minions
that need to believe in something Marx or God is all the same to them.
Their cause is just and god is on their side.

In the mid east the very same god is on both sides, yet the sheep
never question and go along slaughtering each other.

Putin is a womanizer by all accounts while pushing his new orthodox
version of Christianity. The clerics are married with large families
and their church supports a grand lifestyle.

[vtand...@gmail.com]

Every ethnic group has gangsters.

>
> Like Carl Marx? Leon Trotsky?

Marx was an antisemite.

>
> And it certainly hasn't stopped Mad Joe from abusing atheists.

You asked for it, you pathetic crybaby..

[malkinm...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 8:48:08 AM UTC-5, vtand...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 1:05:33 AM UTC-8, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
> >

> > Abhinav Lal
> > Writer & Investor
> >
> > “Make love, not war”
>

> In order to have a sexual orientation, you have to be human. Some of the atheists who post here don't qualify.

Most forms of Judaism are very tolerant (not Orthodox Judaism and some Conservative Jews). ArtieJoe Tandy is an example of a very intolerant
Jew. Everyone has to agree with him. The above paragraph is a common
example of his bigotry against atheists and his narcissism.

[malkinm...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 8:27:33 AM UTC-5, Robert Carnegie wrote:

> On Sunday, 13 January 2019 09:05:33 UTC, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
>

> Obviously, homos turn atheist if they find that the
> religion they follow doesn't tolerate their sexuality.
> Of else they practise religion outwardly and practise
> homosexuality inwardly. (If they like it that way.)

I'm sure they don't like it that way. But, if revealing that they are
gay could lead to divorce, being disowned and/or unemployment, that's
the way they have to live. It doesn't mean that they like it or are cowards.

.

[malkinm...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 9:59:00 AM UTC-5, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 04:13:56 -0800 (PST), "malkinm...@gmail.com"
> <malkinm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 5:27:48 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 3:08:30 PM UTC+5:30, malkinm...@gmail.com wrote:

> >> > On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 4:05:33 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > > Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
> >> > >

> >> > > Abhinav Lal
> >> > > Writer & Investor
> >> > >
> >> > > “Make love, not war”
> >> >

> >> > Now, you've really proved yourself to be a bigoted troll. Go away, phony.
> >>
> >> You have misinterpreted me, either because you are stupid or evil. Possibly a combination of both. This is not your private newsgroup that I have to go away.
> >
> >You say that anyone who disagrees with you is either stupid or evil. That must mean that everyone in the world must be stupid or evil, since even best friends and spouses disagree with each other about one thing or another. It also shows that you have a very closed mind.
>
> ...and why he whines about having no friends.

Definitely. Just another dumb narcissist who doesn't know when to
shut up, if any of the stuff he says is true - that he's been
imprisoned and tortured. If he's still in the same place, how did
he get out of prison alive and able to post all this stuff to us
without getting rearrested?
>

> >> Yes, I have been molested and sexually harassed by men and women. I am against sexual harassment. Not against consensual sex.

> >
> >That wasn't what you said in your last message. You sounded very bigoted against gays and tried to pin a lie on atheists about it. Some atheists are gay, most aren't. To most atheists, gay or not, that doesn't matter one bit.
> >Once they left their childhood or adult religion and realized they were
> >atheists, most atheists gradually dump their religious bigotries. Some
> > don't and I feel sorry for them. They can't overcome ingrained bigotries.
> > You sound like one of them if you are an atheist at all. I think you're a
> > Christian.
>
> Just killfile the loonie. I did. No doubt he will lie that I did it
> out of hatred.

I don't have a killfile. I don't respond to him most of the time, but this
message of his was a lie about atheists and bigotry against gays. I had to
say something. Plus people are falling for his lies.

Several months ago when I realized that I was going to be stuck without
a killfile, I said that I was going to ignore the trolls most of the time
and only respond when I felt like it. This has cut my responses to trolls
down one hell of a lot.

[malkinm...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 10:37:18 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 5:43:58 PM UTC+5:30, malkinm...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 5:27:48 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 3:08:30 PM UTC+5:30, malkinm...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 4:05:33 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
> > > > >
> > > > > Abhinav Lal
> > > > > Writer & Investor
> > > > >
> > > > > “Make love, not war”
> > > >
> > > > Now, you've really proved yourself to be a bigoted troll. Go away, phony.
> > >
> > > You have misinterpreted me, either because you are stupid or evil. Possibly a combination of both. This is not your private newsgroup that I have to go away.
> >

> > You say that anyone who disagrees with you is either stupid or evil. That must mean that everyone in the world must be stupid or evil, since even best friends and souses disagree with each other about one thing or another. It also shows that you have a very closed mind.
>
> No. You insulted me and lied about me, so I returned with insults that are true. Remember, you initiated insulting me. You continue lying. Why am I bigoted or closed minded, if I wrote, “Freedom of sexual preference is a human right”?

Your comments on both gays and the atheists in alt.atheism were
written as questions but were intended as lies and insults to
both. You've played these kind of word games before, troll. You
know exactly what you're doing and so do we, since we've seen so
many trolls over the years pull the same nonsense.

>
> > >
> > > Yes, I have been molested and sexually harassed by men and women. I am against sexual harassment. Not against consensual sex.

You never send any proof of such complaints. Was your arrest and
release ever published in a newspaper that you can send a link to?

[malkinm...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:33:04 AM UTC-5, Christopher A. Lee wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 07:33:38 -0800 (PST), zencycle
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 4:05:33 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply
> >> the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can
> >> say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos
> >> turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
> >>
> >> Abhinav Lal
> >> Writer & Investor
> >>
> >> “Make love, not war”
> >

> >Although I joined alt.atheism 12 years ago, I've never really spent a lot
> > of time here until recently. I've read a lot of your posts recently, and
> >didn't quite get why people here hate you so much. Now I know.
>

> Hate is irrational - it's more like justified disgust, contempt etc
> for his behaviour here. But he's too narcissistic to realise this, and
> because he's paranoid he imagines it's because of who he is.
>
> Did you see his lies about Mickey and her response?
>
> He makes all sorts of nastily false accusations to people whose
> answers he doesn't like, which tell the world more about himself than
> about us.
>
> I would suspect that many gays and lesbians (not "homos", would the
> loonie like being called a wog?) become atheists, as the result of the
> behaviour of the religious towards them.

Is he really an Asian Indian? He could be using an Indian ISP to hide his adress past the gmail one.
>
> In much the same way that atheists are unlikely to be Republicans due
> to that party's being taken over by religious fundamentalists.

[Christopher A. Lee]

Do you remember a debate between Christopher Hitchens and Daniel
Dennett on one side, and Dinesh d'Souza and the appalling
fundamentalist Rabbi Schlumey Boateach on the other? The rabbi blamed
the holocaust on Darwin and atheism, not two millennia of Christian
anti-Semitism fostered by both Catholic and Protestant church fathers.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120330114015/http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/a-lesson-from-hitch-when-rudeness-is-called-for/2011/12/18/gIQAV6xz2O_blog.html

or

https://tinyurl.com/y9fnu3pz

[nyi...@bellsouth.net]

He didn't. Moreover, he intervened in the case of a woman
charged with adultery and told her to sin no more -- and he did
NOT mean "don't have sex with anyone".

> (Paul said avoid it, unless you can't help it)
> and he had lots of girlfriends.

"girlfriends" is misleading. Jesus was way ahead of his times
as far as treating women with respect goes. The Samaritan woman at the well
was treated with respect despite the fact that she had had seven husbands,
"And the man you are living with is not your husband." His disciples
were even surprised that he deigned to talk to her in the first place
-- and so was she, at first.

> The 12 other guys
> didn't, and they were called "the disciples"
> which is from a Prince song so it is probably
> a sex thing.

It's been the standard English translation since
the days of King James I and perhaps also Wycliffe.
[I assume you know this, btw, and are indulging in a joke.]

> > Sodomy, by the way, is any sex outside of missionary
> > style be it done by homosexuals or heterosexuals.

I don't know where L.Roberts got this idea. Legally, sodomy
is defined as penile penetration of the anus. Everything
else that was forbidden by long-obsolete laws was labeled
"other unnatural sex acts."

>
> Including osculation.

You gotta be kidding.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/osculation

> At least, that's the missionaries' definition.

Not that of Roman Catholic missionaries, AFAIK.


> And several U.S. states.

Really? I thought "unnatural" did NOT include
having the woman on top, or even the usual land vertebrate
position of the male entering the female from the rear.

At least, not legally. Do you have any documentation otherwise?


By the way, Robert, I replied to you earlier this morning on
another thread:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/12fahUr4yYQ/QRX_-DaGEwAJ
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 07:22:34 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <0e976c71-d2d5-479c...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: There is a slim chance that there is life after death

This was after about a week of inactivity on that thread, so
I thought you might not know about it without me mentioning it.


Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
University of South Carolina
http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos/

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 06:28:46 -0800 (PST), "malkinm...@gmail.com"

<malkinm...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 9:59:00 AM UTC-5, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 04:13:56 -0800 (PST), "malkinm...@gmail.com"
>> <malkinm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 5:27:48 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 3:08:30 PM UTC+5:30, malkinm...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 4:05:33 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > > Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Abhinav Lal
>> >> > > Writer & Investor
>> >> > >
>> >> > > “Make love, not war”
>> >> >
>> >> > Now, you've really proved yourself to be a bigoted troll. Go away, phony.
>> >>
>> >> You have misinterpreted me, either because you are stupid or evil. Possibly a combination of both. This is not your private newsgroup that I have to go away.
>> >
>> >You say that anyone who disagrees with you is either stupid or evil. That must mean that everyone in the world must be stupid or evil, since even best friends and spouses disagree with each other about one thing or another. It also shows that you have a very closed mind.
>>
>> ...and why he whines about having no friends.
>
>Definitely. Just another dumb narcissist who doesn't know when to
>shut up, if any of the stuff he says is true - that he's been
>imprisoned and tortured. If he's still in the same place, how did
>he get out of prison alive and able to post all this stuff to us
>without getting rearrested?

I suspect it was a psych ward, not prison.

>> >> Yes, I have been molested and sexually harassed by men and women.
>> >> I am against sexual harassment. Not against consensual sex.
>
>> >That wasn't what you said in your last message. You sounded very
>> >bigoted against gays and tried to pin a lie on atheists about it. Some
>> >atheists are gay, most aren't. To most atheists, gay or not, that doesn't
>> >matter one bit.

When you've lived and worked in the San Francisco Bay Area, where
people are open about it, you can't help but have gay and lesbian
friends and colleagues. What people have in common is always more
important than what they don't - and being fellow volunteers at a PBS
radio station, fellow members of a group organising a Model Railroad
convention that attracts attendees from all over the country as well
as some from Europe, Asia and Australia, being fellow engineers
working on the same project, diagnosing problems in development as
well as for customers, etc, being part of the same lunch and bar bunch
from work, hiking with them, etc - none of it matters.

>> >Once they left their childhood or adult religion and realized they were
>> >atheists, most atheists gradually dump their religious bigotries. Some
>> > don't and I feel sorry for them. They can't overcome ingrained bigotries.
>> > You sound like one of them if you are an atheist at all. I think you're a
>> > Christian.

He definitely has a Hindu name. Most Indian Christians I know are
Catholic and have taken Catholic names.

>> Just killfile the loonie. I did. No doubt he will lie that I did it
>> out of hatred.
>
>I don't have a killfile. I don't respond to him most of the time, but this
>message of his was a lie about atheists and bigotry against gays. I had to
>say something. Plus people are falling for his lies.

Some are.

>Several months ago when I realized that I was going to be stuck without
>a killfile, I said that I was going to ignore the trolls most of the time
>and only respond when I felt like it. This has cut my responses to trolls
>down one hell of a lot.

I used to recommend Agent, and I still like it.

But over the years it became too complicated for new users to
configure, and while they're still selling it, it hasn't been
supported for some time.

There was Y2K-like bug that expired filters immediately when the
algorithm couldn't cope with dates beyond June 6, 2017.

It took a power user to provide a patch, not Forte. It works but
because the hex was patched, some anti-malware software calls it.

[Christopher A. Lee]

His use of English sounds like one. But his idea of a Hindu afterlife
doesn't match that of any Hindus I know. Their reincarnation is simply
of the essence of the soul, and the reborn one remembers nothing of
his previous life.

I suspect he comes from a Christian background, but not a Catholic one
because those have first and last names from saints.

>> In much the same way that atheists are unlikely to be Republicans due
>> to that party's being taken over by religious fundamentalists.

Religious fanatics can't grasp that we are demographically no
different, than anybody else , apart from not being theist. Some are
even members of religions they don't believe, to be there for their
spouse.

[zencycle]

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 8:25:35 AM UTC-5, vtand...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> You asked for it, you pathetic crybaby..

Look at the fucking snowflake calling other people crybabies...

[zencycle]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:19:30 PM UTC-5, vtand...@gmail.com wrote:
>

> Really? The USSR was ruled by Communist atheists from 1917 to 1989.China was ruled by Communist atheists from 1949 to the present.
> Jews believe in the rule of laws that keep people from abusing each other.

Gee, that's funny, because atheists believe in the rule of law too.

[nyi...@bellsouth.net]

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 2:48:25 PM UTC-5, zencycle wrote:
> On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:19:30 PM UTC-5, vtand...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Really? The USSR was ruled by Communist atheists from 1917 to 1989.China was ruled by Communist atheists from 1949 to the present.

Actually, the rule began only after the end of the Russian Civil War;
1921, if memory serves.

> > Jews believe in the rule of laws that keep people from abusing each other.
>
> Gee, that's funny, because atheists believe in the rule of law too.

Yes -- but the laws, and their interpretation, and their enforcement,
vary from one government to another, and often it is not a question
of people abusing each other, but rather a question of the government
abusing its people.

In "Constitution of Democratic Kampuchea," in effect from April 1975 to
the overthrow of the Khmer Rouge by the North Vietnamese army, illustrated
this perfectly in Article 20, whose English translation reads:

Every citizen of Cambodia has the right to worship
according to any religion and the right not to worship
according to any religion.

All reactionary religions which are detrimental to
Democratic Cambodia and the Cambodian people
are strictly forbidden.


How's that for talking out of both sides of one's mouth, eh?

Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
University of South Carolina
http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos/

PS We've encountered each other before, in talk.origins. I've been on
a posting break from there for almost four weeks, but intend to return there
next week at the latest.

[nyi...@bellsouth.net]

Quite possible, since the word "queer" has been "adopted" by
certain LBGTQ people, as in the TV series "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy."
Perhaps he thinks "homo" is similarly inoffensive.

Along the same lines: the Q in LBGTQ, while sometimes given the
disambiguation "Questioning," is also widely interpreted as
standing for "Queer."

[I never did understand what "Queer" added to the rest of the words
LBGTQ stood for.]


Peter Nyikos
Professor, Department of Math. -- standard disclaimer --

[Robert Carnegie]

As for osculation = sodomy, it depends what you osculate.

<https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sodomy>
runs down to "Sexual intercourse that is not the
union of the genital organs of a man and a woman",
but in dictionaryese that /could/ mean one specific
sexual intercourse that they're choosing not to describe.

The "medical dictionary" part mentions **** specifically,
maybe because of cold sores.

[Michael Christ]

It is a death sentence.





Michael Christ



>>
>>
>> Michael Christ

[malkinm...@gmail.com]

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-5, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 05:44:07 -0800 (PST), "malkinm...@gmail.com"
> <malkinm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 8:48:08 AM UTC-5, vtand...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 1:05:33 AM UTC-8, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
> >>

> >> In order to have a sexual orientation, you have to be human. Some of the atheists who post here don't qualify.
> >
> >Most forms of Judaism are very tolerant (not Orthodox Judaism and some
> >Conservative Jews). ArtieJoe Tandy is an example of a very intolerant
> >Jew. Everyone has to agree with him. The above paragraph is a common
> >example of his bigotry against atheists and his narcissism.
>
> Do you remember a debate between Christopher Hitchens and Daniel
> Dennett on one side, and Dinesh d'Souza and the appalling
> fundamentalist Rabbi Schlumey Boateach on the other? The rabbi blamed
> the holocaust on Darwin and atheism, not two millennia of Christian
> anti-Semitism fostered by both Catholic and Protestant church fathers.
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20120330114015/http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/a-lesson-from-hitch-when-rudeness-is-called-for/2011/12/18/gIQAV6xz2O_blog.html
>
> or
>
> https://tinyurl.com/y9fnu3pz

Neither link worked or were both very slow.

I do remember a debate like this one that also included John Cleese.
It was excellent.

I'll check back later to see if either link works.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 05:46:51 -0800 (PST), "malkinm...@gmail.com"

It's the Internet Archive, which is a non-profit and always slow
because of how much it has to search - think google without its
gajillion servers but holding a couple of decades of data.

[default]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 18:42:15 +1100, Michael Christ

<jesusisth...@hotmail.con> wrote:

>On 14/01/2019 11:28 pm, default wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 14:10:55 +1100, Michael Christ
>> <jesusisth...@hotmail.con> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/01/2019 11:21 am, default wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 01:05:30 -0800 (PST), alal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Liberty and freedom are atheist traits. The religious like the idea
>>>> of an authoritarian master that tells then how to live.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You are a slave to your fallen selfish nature.
>>>
>> Yeah, isn't it wonderful? Free of all that childhood malarkey they
>> were feeding me.
>
>It is a death sentence.
>

We are all gonna die grasshopper.


Believing malarkey doesn't change that.

[nyi...@bellsouth.net]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 7:30:18 AM UTC-5, Ted wrote:
> <alal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn't imply
> > the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can
> > say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos
> > turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
> >

> > Abhinav Lal
> > Writer & Investor
> >
> > “Make love, not war”
>
>

> Jesus was gay. That's obvious from the Gospel accounts of his relationship
> with the Beloved Disciple.

Not obvious, but inferred on the assumption that certain euphemisms by
various cultures were well understood by readers of the Gospel of John
at the time it was written. For instance, the widespread modern-day
English use of "love" (as in "make love") for sexual intercourse.

In contrast, there was a newspaper report of a murder in Italy because,
although the murderer could tolerate all kinds of adultery by the spouse,
the fact that the spouse fell in love with someone else was intolerable.


> And artists throughout history have always known
> that: https://tinyurl.com/y9do4qlx

This takes me to a webpage where the link on the right, in the
box with the illustration, takes me to a Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciple_whom_Jesus_loved

It brings up the suggestion by "some scholars" [unidentified]
of a gay relationship, but points out
that this has been disputed, giving several names and
references and the way it has been disputed by them.

Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--

University of South Carolina
http://www.math.sc.edu/~nyikos/

[malkinm...@gmail.com]

I was expecting the debate you mentioned. It went to an article about
Christopher Hitchens which was very nice.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 07:39:52 -0800 (PST), "malkinm...@gmail.com"

It was about Hitchens interrupting the appalling Jewiah fundamentalist
Boateach during the debate.

None of the videos out there include this because it wasn't picked up
on the speaker's mike.

[Michael Christ]

True.

But what did we live for?? To be fallen selfish creatures that get away
with it?? That's it, atheist style. :-). Not so fast, slippery.

Oh no, life was not just about getting to the death bit and leaving a
swathe of selfish destruction behind. There is a just judge to meet.

You scream for justice in this life but why, what's the point?

You don't know in whose image you were made.







Michael Christ

[default]

On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 08:56:19 +1100, Michael Christ

<jesusisth...@hotmail.con> wrote:

>On 16/01/2019 1:40 am, default wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 18:42:15 +1100, Michael Christ
>> <jesusisth...@hotmail.con> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/01/2019 11:28 pm, default wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 14:10:55 +1100, Michael Christ
>>>> <jesusisth...@hotmail.con> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14/01/2019 11:21 am, default wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 01:05:30 -0800 (PST), alal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Liberty and freedom are atheist traits. The religious like the idea
>>>>>> of an authoritarian master that tells then how to live.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are a slave to your fallen selfish nature.
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah, isn't it wonderful? Free of all that childhood malarkey they
>>>> were feeding me.
>>>
>>> It is a death sentence.
>>>
>> We are all gonna die grasshopper.
>>
>>
>> Believing malarkey doesn't change that.
>>
>
>True.
>
>But what did we live for?? To be fallen selfish creatures that get away
>with it?? That's it, atheist style. :-). Not so fast, slippery.

We are selfish, even when we act in what could be seen as altruistic
ways, we do so out of enlightened self-interest or self-gratification.

Even you grasshopper. Especially you, grasshopper.

>
>Oh no, life was not just about getting to the death bit and leaving a
>swathe of selfish destruction behind. There is a just judge to meet.

Life is just a rehearsal for death? That is dismal, but fear, gloom
and doom is your thing.

>
>You scream for justice in this life but why, what's the point?

Satisfaction.

>
>You don't know in whose image you were made.
>

That is meaningless.
>
>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ

[Davej]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 3:05:33 AM UTC-6, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> [...]

> Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a
> combination of both.
>

Usually writers and investors are homos.

[Michael Christ]

I am not selfish. No one walks with the Lord is selfish.

>> Oh no, life was not just about getting to the death bit and leaving a
>> swathe of selfish destruction behind. There is a just judge to meet.
>
> Life is just a rehearsal for death? That is dismal, but fear, gloom
> and doom is your thing.

That's atheism. But you can pretend.

>>
>> You scream for justice in this life but why, what's the point?
>
> Satisfaction.

Because it is right, but you are wrong and you can't reconcile that.

You're going to get justice though, I promise you, but you ain't going
to like it because you are going to get exactly what you deserve.

Grace and mercy is what you need but no proud self-righteous bastard to
date has received it because they are too damned right in their own eyes
and don't give a fuck about the truth.

Yes, that's you.





Michael Christ

[Melzzzzz]

You are egomaniac, that's worse...

>
>>> Oh no, life was not just about getting to the death bit and leaving a
>>> swathe of selfish destruction behind. There is a just judge to meet.
>>
>> Life is just a rehearsal for death? That is dismal, but fear, gloom
>> and doom is your thing.
>
> That's atheism. But you can pretend.
>
>
>
>>>
>>> You scream for justice in this life but why, what's the point?
>>
>> Satisfaction.
>
> Because it is right, but you are wrong and you can't reconcile that.
>
> You're going to get justice though, I promise you, but you ain't going
> to like it because you are going to get exactly what you deserve.
>
> Grace and mercy is what you need but no proud self-righteous bastard to
> date has received it because they are too damned right in their own eyes
> and don't give a fuck about the truth.
>
> Yes, that's you.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>
>
>>>
>>> You don't know in whose image you were made.
>>>
>> That is meaningless.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>

--
press any key to continue or any other to quit...

[Michael Christ]

Thanks for the info.





Michael Christ

[default]

On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:23:20 +1100, Michael Christ

That's the Xtian belief too. All these religious ninnies think that
if they believe the malarkey (or just profess to believe the malarkey)
they can fool their gods and get to bask in heaven when they die.

>
>>> Oh no, life was not just about getting to the death bit and leaving a
>>> swathe of selfish destruction behind. There is a just judge to meet.
>>
>> Life is just a rehearsal for death? That is dismal, but fear, gloom
>> and doom is your thing.
>
>That's atheism. But you can pretend.
>

I will fear no evil - gods.

>
>>>
>>> You scream for justice in this life but why, what's the point?
>>
>> Satisfaction.
>
>Because it is right, but you are wrong and you can't reconcile that.
>
>You're going to get justice though, I promise you, but you ain't going
>to like it because you are going to get exactly what you deserve.

You are just projecting your own small cowardly personality on others.

>
>Grace and mercy is what you need but no proud self-righteous bastard to
>date has received it because they are too damned right in their own eyes
>and don't give a fuck about the truth.
>
>Yes, that's you.

I'm proud, self-righteous? I guess you don't even own a mirror then?

[vtand...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:17:11 AM UTC-8, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> vtand...@gmail.com wrote in news:326db43c-839d-4f52-bacd-45afb8d7f1b2
> @googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-8, Mitchell Holman
> wrote:
> >> vtand...@gmail.com wrote in
> >> news:643feb0a-238b-4cc9...@googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > ROTFL! Donald Trump is not the slightest bit religious. He is
> >> > motivated by patriotism, not religion.
> >>
> >>
> >> LOL!
> >>
> >> President Five Deferments, a patriot?
> >>
> >> Is that because he was a "great and
> >> very brave soldier" duing Vietnam?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Trump Said Sleeping Around Was My "Personal Vietnam"
> >> 02.16.16
> >>
> >> In a 1997 Howard Stern interview, the future
> >> presidential candidate likened sleeping with
> >> multiple women to service in the war he
> >> repeatedly avoided.
> >>
> >> "I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world.
> >> It is a dangerous world out there. It’s scary,
> >> like Vietnam. Sort of like the Vietnam-era,"
> >> Trump said in a video that resurfaced Tuesday on
> >> Buzzfeed, "It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like
> >> a great and very brave soldier."
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/j44dtrl
> >
> > Trump failed his Army physical because he has bone spurs in his heels.
> >
>
>
> A diagnosis from s doctor PAID BY TRUMPS FATHER
> to keep his boy out of uniform. NOT an Army doctor.
>
>
>
>
>
> Podiatrist's daughters say bone spur diagnosis
> that helped Trump avoid Vietnam draft was 'favor'
> Dec. 27, 2018
>
> WASHINGTON – Two daughters of a New York podiatrist
> say that 50 years ago their father diagnosed President
> Donald Trump with bone spurs in his heels as a favor
> to the doctor's landlord, Fred Trump, The New York
> Times reported Wednesday.
>
> Trump received five deferments from the draft for
> military service during the Vietnam War. He received
> four education deferments while he was a college
> student and a fifth deferment in 1968 for a medical
> exemption after he graduated.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ybt8fvbo

Obviously, you have never taken a US Army physical. The Army does not inspect anybody's feet. They have no podiatrists at the induction center. They would not find any bone spurs on Trump. Only his personal podiatrist would know if he had them.

[Amazing Answers]

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 1:38:30 AM UTC-8, malkinm...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 4:05:33 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
> >

> > Abhinav Lal
> > Writer & Investor
> >
> > “Make love, not war”
>

> Now, you've really proved yourself to be a bigoted troll. Go away, phony.

When does it become bigotry when people assert that you must believe their way or the highway?

[nyi...@bellsouth.net]

There is no such uniform Xtian belief. Many people
the Roman Catholic Church has proclaimed "saints" and "blessed"
and "venerable" struggled with selfishness for much
of their adult lives. For instance, "Blessed" Charles Foucault
didn't consider himself to be free of selfishness
until he had repeatedly come close to starving himself to death.

> All these religious ninnies think that
> if they believe the malarkey (or just profess to believe the malarkey)
> they can fool their gods and get to bask in heaven when they die.

"these religious ninnies" certainly include Michael Christ, and Jack Chick,
and a lot of the animosity of both towards Roman Catholics may
stem from the fact that they do NOT think in this way.

Unfortunately, a lot of Roman Catholics think that if they claim
to be sorry in the "Sacrament of Reconciliation" [i.e., Confession]
then they can sin as much as they want to and "get the sins taken off"
the next time they go to a confessional. And thus they think
they are "earning their way to heaven."

That is a perversion of the sacrament, and I don't know which
is worse -- this or the Jack Chick brand of Christianity.

> >
> >>> Oh no, life was not just about getting to the death bit and leaving a
> >>> swathe of selfish destruction behind. There is a just judge to meet.
> >>
> >> Life is just a rehearsal for death? That is dismal, but fear, gloom
> >> and doom is your thing.

It is indeed. "Michael Christ" [somehow I don't think he was given
that name by his parents] seems to think the main reason God put
us on earth was that he could put us on trial the way he put Adam
and Eve on trial.

> >That's atheism. But you can pretend.
> >
> I will fear no evil - gods.
> >
> >>>
> >>> You scream for justice in this life but why, what's the point?
> >>
> >> Satisfaction.
> >
> >Because it is right, but you are wrong and you can't reconcile that.
> >
> >You're going to get justice though, I promise you, but you ain't going
> >to like it because you are going to get exactly what you deserve.

That's the Jack Chick attitude also. A good example is Chick's pamphlet
that shows a Roman Catholic being condemned to hell for "Not accepting
Jesus as his Lord and Savior" -- mere good behavior be damned.

>
> You are just projecting your own small cowardly personality on others.
> >
> >Grace and mercy is what you need but no proud self-righteous bastard to
> >date has received it because they are too damned right in their own eyes
> >and don't give a fuck about the truth.
> >
> >Yes, that's you.
>
> I'm proud, self-righteous? I guess you don't even own a mirror then?

Michael seems to be "too damned right in his own eyes," too.

Peter Nyikos
Professor, Department of Math. -- standard disclaimer --

University of South Carolina
http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos/

[Kevrob]

Believe what you want. Just don't bring those beliefs up here.
You aren't a first-time poster, curious about atheism, asking
a question and comparing our answers to what you believe. You
are a long time troll. We know what you've said in the past, we
rejecct it, and we'd like you to take your mythology elsewhere.

Alal is transitioning from clueless n00b to full-time troll. Many
have already judged him to be such.

[Kevrob]

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 1:23:40 PM UTC-5, nyi...@bellsouth.net wrote:

> It is indeed. "Michael Christ" [somehow I don't think he was given
> that name by his parents] seems to think the main reason God put
> us on earth was that he could put us on trial the way he put Adam
> and Eve on trial.

The surname he was given was "McLean."

He's told us his ghod renamed him. That's a mark
of a religious nut.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 11:36:38 -0800 (PST), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

The last loonie who claimed to be Christ, was David Khoresh.

[Don Martin]

On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 11:36:38 -0800 (PST), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

But I have it on good authority that "the voices" are a good
authority.

--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.

[Amazing Answers]

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 11:35:00 AM UTC-8, Kevrob wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 7:07:12 AM UTC-5, Amazing Answers wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 1:38:30 AM UTC-8, malkinm...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 4:05:33 AM UTC-5, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Freedom of sexual preference is a human right. But that doesn’t imply the freedom to sexually harass people. From personal experience, I can say that a higher percentage of atheists are gay than theists. Do homos turn atheist, or do atheists turn homo? Possibly a combination of both.
> > > >
> > > > Abhinav Lal
> > > > Writer & Investor
> > > >
> > > > “Make love, not war”
> > >
> > > Now, you've really proved yourself to be a bigoted troll. Go away, phony.
> >
> > When does it become bigotry when people assert that you must believe their way or the highway?
>
> Believe what you want. Just don't bring those beliefs up here.
> You aren't a first-time poster, curious about atheism, asking
> a question and comparing our answers to what you believe. You
> are a long time troll. We know what you've said in the past, we
> rejecct it, and we'd like you to take your mythology elsewhere.

So if I don't believe as you do, and agree with your policy in regard to not bringing beliefs up, then it's the highway? Sounds like bigotry.

[Kevrob]

It's the charter of the group. I don't visit religious
groups and argue with ghod-sick theists. That would
be rude and counterproductive, just as your posts here are.

And I am not asking you to "believe as I do." The point is that
I am an atheist and DON"T believe. You can't even think in the
propper categories to have an honest dialog with non-believers.

[Amazing Answers]

That's not the charter of the group.

[Kevrob]

> That's not the charter of the group.

Yes, it is.

FAQ is archived here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20161015200301/http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:faq

[quote]

The Cat-Herding Rules and Regulations of alt.atheism and Some Information

1 All are welcome in the newsgroup, whether they're atheists or not,
as long as they are not trolls.

[/quote]

You, being a troll, are not welcome.

[quote]

2 Proselytizing of ANY religion is NOT welcome! (Those guilty of
this bad nettiquette will be treated as they deserve!)

[/quote]

You proselytize.

[quote]


3 This newsgroup exists for atheists to discuss anything of interest
to them and other atheists, although others who are honestly interested
in joining a discussion and are not trolls are welcome.
Trolls will be treated as what they are.

[/quote]

That'd be you.

[Robert Carnegie]

<https://math.berkeley.edu/people/faculty/f-michael-christ>
I'm nearly certain, isn't our one.

Although "Harvey Mudd College" sounds like a character
from Star Trek invented it, except that the character
didn't like to use his own name.

And upon checking, I see that Harvey Mudd - the college
and the philanthropist - came first. I wonder....

Sighting:
<https://www.neowin.net/news/president-of-harry-mudd-university-criticizes-silicon-valleys-bro-culture/>

[Kevrob]

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 6:04:33 PM UTC-5, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> <https://math.berkeley.edu/people/faculty/f-michael-christ>
> I'm nearly certain, isn't our one.
>

He's admitted to being "Michael McLean."

> Although "Harvey Mudd College" sounds like a character
> from Star Trek invented it, except that the character
> didn't like to use his own name.
>
> And upon checking, I see that Harvey Mudd - the college
> and the philanthropist - came first. I wonder....
>
> Sighting:
> <https://www.neowin.net/news/president-of-harry-mudd-university-criticizes-silicon-valleys-bro-culture/>

On ST:TOS, it was "Harry," not Harvey:

To be exact (and what nitpicking fanboy wouldn't be?)....

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Harcourt_Fenton_Mudd

[default]

There are extremes; religion does strange things to people's minds.

Selfishness is a part of human nature and in moderation is probably a
good survival trait for our species. The "greed is good" mantra of
some (stereotypical) Wall Street types is an extreme.

>
>> All these religious ninnies think that
>> if they believe the malarkey (or just profess to believe the malarkey)
>> they can fool their gods and get to bask in heaven when they die.
>
>"these religious ninnies" certainly include Michael Christ, and Jack Chick,
>and a lot of the animosity of both towards Roman Catholics may
>stem from the fact that they do NOT think in this way.
>
>Unfortunately, a lot of Roman Catholics think that if they claim
>to be sorry in the "Sacrament of Reconciliation" [i.e., Confession]
>then they can sin as much as they want to and "get the sins taken off"
>the next time they go to a confessional. And thus they think
>they are "earning their way to heaven."
>
>That is a perversion of the sacrament, and I don't know which
>is worse -- this or the Jack Chick brand of Christianity.
>

I do think the whole idea of "confession" is the greatest hypocrisy,
as is the Catholic/Christian ideas of morality.

The idea that you sin against god is wrong IMO. Breaking one of the
made-up "bedroom rules" of the church is not immoral, although a
Catholic may consider it a "sin."

The only sins to my way of thinking are when you wrong another person,
and then the confession and absolution should be asked of them - not
the priest, god, or a church.

That little difference would probably go a long way to reducing
recidivism and immorality. You would be bound to fixing your mistakes
and suffer the humiliation of admitting them.

>> >
>> >>> Oh no, life was not just about getting to the death bit and leaving a
>> >>> swathe of selfish destruction behind. There is a just judge to meet.
>> >>
>> >> Life is just a rehearsal for death? That is dismal, but fear, gloom
>> >> and doom is your thing.
>
>It is indeed. "Michael Christ" [somehow I don't think he was given
>that name by his parents] seems to think the main reason God put
>us on earth was that he could put us on trial the way he put Adam
>and Eve on trial.

I think Christianity in general is bonkers. I think we all need to
strive to be better (moral) but that it is an individual journey. All
the philosophic lip-service in the world won't make you a better
person. You have to want to be better and to do that you have to see
your actions in that light and "own them."

I think Christianity is evil because people use it to shift
responsibility on to a god when they should be owning up to their
responsibility.

>
>
>> >That's atheism. But you can pretend.
>> >
>> I will fear no evil - gods.
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> You scream for justice in this life but why, what's the point?
>> >>
>> >> Satisfaction.
>> >
>> >Because it is right, but you are wrong and you can't reconcile that.
>> >
>> >You're going to get justice though, I promise you, but you ain't going
>> >to like it because you are going to get exactly what you deserve.
>
>That's the Jack Chick attitude also. A good example is Chick's pamphlet
>that shows a Roman Catholic being condemned to hell for "Not accepting
>Jesus as his Lord and Savior" -- mere good behavior be damned.
>

Projecting their own fear on others.

>
>>
>> You are just projecting your own small cowardly personality on others.
>> >
>> >Grace and mercy is what you need but no proud self-righteous bastard to
>> >date has received it because they are too damned right in their own eyes
>> >and don't give a fuck about the truth.
>> >
>> >Yes, that's you.
>>
>> I'm proud, self-righteous? I guess you don't even own a mirror then?
>
>Michael seems to be "too damned right in his own eyes," too.
>

He is certainly a special case all right.

[nyi...@bellsouth.net]

Job had the same idea, at least about himself:

Suppose I have sinned, what have I done to you,
You tireless watcher of mankind?
Why do you choose me as your target?
Why should I be a burden to you?
-- Job 7:20, Jerusalem Bible translation

> Breaking one of the
> made-up "bedroom rules" of the church is not immoral, although a
> Catholic may consider it a "sin."

The hierarchy consider it to be a sin of "disobedience."
They stretch the commandment "Honor your father and your mother"
to include what they call Holy Mother Church.

> The only sins to my way of thinking are when you wrong another person,
> and then the confession and absolution should be asked of them - not
> the priest, god, or a church.

A little understood part of the repentance that ought to go with confession
is that of making proper restitution to the one wronged. Very few Roman
Catholics pay sufficient heed to it.

> That little difference would probably go a long way to reducing
> recidivism and immorality. You would be bound to fixing your mistakes
> and suffer the humiliation of admitting them.

Yes, but some atheists are equally guilty, including some regulars
in talk.origins. As are some regulars who are very secretive about
what religion they may or may not have. The operative principle of
quite a few people in either category seems to be:

If I don't admit to having indulged in despicable behavior
(e.g. libel) I can go on indulging in it as long as there
are significantly more t.o. regulars who will take my side, than
will take the side of my accusers.

> >> >
> >> >>> Oh no, life was not just about getting to the death bit and leaving a
> >> >>> swathe of selfish destruction behind. There is a just judge to meet.
> >> >>
> >> >> Life is just a rehearsal for death? That is dismal, but fear, gloom
> >> >> and doom is your thing.
> >
> >It is indeed. "Michael Christ" [somehow I don't think he was given
> >that name by his parents] seems to think the main reason God put
> >us on earth was that he could put us on trial the way he put Adam
> >and Eve on trial.
>
> I think Christianity in general is bonkers. I think we all need to
> strive to be better (moral) but that it is an individual journey. All
> the philosophic lip-service in the world won't make you a better
> person. You have to want to be better and to do that you have to see
> your actions in that light and "own them."
>
> I think Christianity is evil because people use it to shift
> responsibility on to a god

I don't see that in Roman Catholicism at all.

> when they should be owning up to their
> responsibility.

> >
> >> >That's atheism. But you can pretend.
> >> >
> >> I will fear no evil - gods.
> >> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You scream for justice in this life but why, what's the point?
> >> >>
> >> >> Satisfaction.
> >> >
> >> >Because it is right, but you are wrong and you can't reconcile that.
> >> >
> >> >You're going to get justice though, I promise you, but you ain't going
> >> >to like it because you are going to get exactly what you deserve.
> >
> >That's the Jack Chick attitude also. A good example is Chick's pamphlet
> >that shows a Roman Catholic being condemned to hell for "Not accepting
> >Jesus as his Lord and Savior" -- mere good behavior be damned.
> >
> Projecting their own fear on others.
> >
> >>
> >> You are just projecting your own small cowardly personality on others.
> >> >
> >> >Grace and mercy is what you need but no proud self-righteous bastard to
> >> >date has received it because they are too damned right in their own eyes
> >> >and don't give a fuck about the truth.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, that's you.
> >>
> >> I'm proud, self-righteous? I guess you don't even own a mirror then?
> >
> >Michael seems to be "too damned right in his own eyes," too.
> >
> He is certainly a special case all right.

We used to have one who was somewhat like him in talk.origins: Ray Martinez.
One difference was that he was a lot harder on Christians than he
was on genuine atheists. He justified his behavior by calling someone
an "Atheist" if that person did not believe in the immutability of species.
Since all the Christians he argued with did not go that far in
the direction of creationism, all were stigmatized with that label,
including myself, an agnostic.

Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--

University of South Carolina
http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos/

PS In the interests of full disclosure, I should admit that
I have kept up my membership in the Roman Catholic Church
despite being what might be called "90 percent atheist"
[as far as confidence level in there being a God or gods]
because it gives untold millions of people who lead miserable lives a
hope (though not full confidence in most cases) that there will
be an afterlife in which they will finally find relief from their miseries.

[Tim]

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 6:18:46 PM UTC-5, Kevrob wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 6:04:33 PM UTC-5, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > <https://math.berkeley.edu/people/faculty/f-michael-christ>
> > I'm nearly certain, isn't our one.
> >
>
> He's admitted to being "Michael McLean."
>

This guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIXJ9IEyxgw

LOL!!

[Kevrob]

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 1:04:22 PM UTC-5, nyi...@bellsouth.net wrote:

>
> PS In the interests of full disclosure, I should admit that
> I have kept up my membership in the Roman Catholic Church
> despite being what might be called "90 percent atheist"
> [as far as confidence level in there being a God or gods]
> because it gives untold millions of people who lead miserable lives a
> hope (though not full confidence in most cases) that there will
> be an afterlife in which they will finally find relief from their miseries.

If I had kids, I might have kept up membership in order to have
access to the private Catholic schools, day care and other services
the RCC provides, but I don't, so I remain blissfully unconnected.

The "hope for the afterlife' is a cruel ruse, when one is convinced
that it isn't going to happen. I'm happier with a realistic view
of the universe.

[malkinm...@gmail.com]

That's what you and all the theist trolls do. Atheists don't care
what you believe religiously as long as you keep it to yourself.
All the proselytizing and evangelizing you theists do is very rude
and not wanted. If you don't want to read about atheism, go
somewhere else. This is an atheist newsgroup.

[malkinm...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 1:23:40 PM UTC-5, nyi...@bellsouth.net wrote:

That is insane. Foucault sounds like a masochist. His religion gave him an excuse to torture himself.

[malkinm...@gmail.com]

No, John Monkeyboi, it's you being the same troll you've been for 19 years.

>
>
> >
> > Alal is transitioning from clueless n00b to full-time troll. Many
> > have already judged him to be such.

I'm surprised that he hasn't brought up Pascal's Wager yet. Of course, he wouldn't do this by name. He'd phrase his question just so, but he wouldn't
be able to hide what he's asking.

[malkinm...@gmail.com]

Yes, it is. It was put together by group members and voted on by
the atheists here. You're a theist troll, so you have no say in
the matter.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 11:36:38 -0800 (PST), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

When did the Nyikos-loonie reappear?

[Kevrob]

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 2:33:41 PM UTC-5, malkinm...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 1:23:40 PM UTC-5, nyi...@bellsouth.net wrote:

> > There is no such uniform Xtian belief. Many people
> > the Roman Catholic Church has proclaimed "saints" and "blessed"
> > and "venerable" struggled with selfishness for much
> > of their adult lives. For instance, "Blessed" Charles Foucault
> > didn't consider himself to be free of selfishness
> > until he had repeatedly come close to starving himself to death.
>
> That is insane. Foucault sounds like a masochist. His religion gave him an excuse to torture himself.

Well, yeah. "mortification of the flesh" as it is known
is psychologically unhealthy. We have secular versions of
it, of course: the person who diets and exercises to extremes,
because of body image problems, or other feelings of inadequacy.

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortification_of_the_flesh

MoF in a religious context is closely related to hatred of the
physical, as inherently sinful. I'm much more comfortable with
the pre-Christian Roman ideal: Mens sana in corpore sano.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_sana_in_corpore_sano

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:47:54 -0800 (PST), "malkinm...@gmail.com"
<malkinm...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 4:10:38 PM UTC-5, Amazing Answers wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 12:39:02 PM UTC-8, Kevrob wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 3:32:42 PM UTC-5, Amazing Answers wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 11:35:00 AM UTC-8, Kevrob wrote:
>> > > > On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 7:07:12 AM UTC-5, Amazing Answers wrote:
>> >
>> > > > Believe what you want. Just don't bring those beliefs up here.
>> > > > You aren't a first-time poster, curious about atheism, asking
>> > > > a question and comparing our answers to what you believe. You
>> > > > are a long time troll. We know what you've said in the past, we
>> > > > rejecct it, and we'd like you to take your mythology elsewhere.
>> > >
>> > > So if I don't believe as you do, and agree with your policy in regard
>> > > to not bringing beliefs up, then it's the highway? Sounds like bigotry.

The moron should only bring them up if they're relevant - and he
doesn't get to decide that it is. Or if he knows people want to talk
about them.

But we have heard them all before, ad nauseam and are fed up with it.

Dishonest excuses about "sharing my beliefs", "sharing my opinions"
etc just make things worse, and they don't even fool him.

Especially when they're followed by lies about not being interested in
"different opinions", unwilling to listen to other views, etc.

>> > It's the charter of the group. I don't visit religious
>> > groups and argue with ghod-sick theists. That would
>> > be rude and counterproductive, just as your posts here are.

That's because you have good manners.

>> > And I am not asking you to "believe as I do." The point is that
>> > I am an atheist and DON"T believe. You can't even think in the
>> > propper categories to have an honest dialog with non-believers.

It was a deliberately dishonest lie on his part.

Usually followed by accusations about being intolerant of "differences
of opinion", etc. As if real-world explanations are mere opinion.

>> > ---
>> > Kevin R
>> > a.a #2310
>>
>> That's not the charter of the group.
>
>Yes, it is. It was put together by group members and voted on by
>the atheists here. You're a theist troll, so you have no say in
>the matter.

Just like all the other Usenet narcissists, he imagines he is entitled
to say and do what he wants, in what amounts to other people's shared
personal space.

[nyi...@bellsouth.net]

He didn't see it as torture, and neither do many people who go on
long fasts, nor do most anorexics. In fact he might have had
a pleasant altered state of mind from being malnourished. Aldous
Huxley wrote about such things in _Heaven and Hell_. Have you heard
of the book?

Don't be put off by the title -- Aldous was an agnostic like his brother Julian,
although I think he took Christianity more seriously than Julian did.

Their father, Thomas, the great champion of Darwin, was also one AFAIK,
but that didn't stop him from (half-jokingly) think at a crucial moment
in his debate with Bishop Wilberforce, "The Lord God has delivered him
into my hands."

Peter Nyikos

[nyi...@bellsouth.net]

On what grounds do you call me "the Nyikos-loonie"?

Is part of it that I don't go along with CK's and your private
definition of "theist"?

CK thinks he is "teaching" me that anyone who is almost
certain that there is no God, but has a faint suspicion
that there may be one after all, is a "theist".

This is in marked contrast to other people here in alt.atheism,
who distinguish between "soft atheism" and "hard atheism"
about like the distinction in Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Range

According to this, I qualify as a "soft atheist" because
I am in a state of suspended judgment as to whether
there are gods. I certainly would not call that "theism"
and I doubt that more than a small minority of regular
alt.atheism participants would call it that.


By the way, Dawkins's Spectrum is flawed because of a package
deal on positions 2 and 6 which is nowhere alluded to in 3 through 5.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability

As far as evidence goes, I'm a 6; as far as how I live my life goes,
I'm closer to a 2 than to a 6.

Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--

University of South Carolina
http://www.math.sc.edu/~nyikos/