Guth Venus / Brad Guth and the hot planet 2.02
Brad Guth
themselves what our government agencies and insiders would much rather
you didn’t: Finding Waldo on Venus is actually much easier said than
done, but otherwise finding a substantial tarmac plus large scale
infrastructure that looks perfectly rational is really easy.
This "IrfanView" image processing utility is somewhat like being
digital image potty trained, as well as having been 5th grader
approved and thus as good as any LeapFrog pop-up book can deliver.
Not that any number of equal or better digital image methods for
enlarging haven’t existed as is, but here's simply yet another old one
that has been perked up so that not even a 5th grader is necessary to
operate it. If you can click your mouse or one finger type on a
keyboard, that's pretty much all the image processing expertise you'll
ever need.
IrfanView
http://www.irfanview.com/
PhotoZoom Pro (mac and pc)
http://www.benvista.com/main/content/content.php?page=downloads
The original GIF image file:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
If you’d care to first crop out and save the most interesting 10%
portion at 1:1, as I've so often instructed (gives roughly a 64 k
image file that’s a 100% clone of the original without having all the
surrounding image to deal with), whereas the automated enlargement
process runs ten fold faster, and perhaps another ten fold faster yet
if using XP instead of Windows 7 (but that's not my fault).
Of course Apple/MAC users are not without as good or better
alternatives than PhotoZoom. However, this radar obtained image is
just offering a basic monochrome file of 651 k, of not all that many
pixels to begin with. So, a 10x enlargement is still going to be
relatively efficient and otherwise simplified, in that not even a 5th
grader is required, and because such software doesn’t care what image
context it is processing, there’s nothing weird or unexpected going to
happen unless you have a faith-based or some other dysfunctional
naysay kind of problem.
Virtually all digital cameras and photo printers of any significance
come packaged with a basic photo resizing/enlarging along with their
automatic zoom filtering utility for delivering sufficient image
enlargement results that do not modify or otherwise skew the image
data. Commercially or via government agencies should have far better
zoom/enlarge or image resampling results that are certainly available
to those with either the necessary loot or having their inside
connections for using such.
Start looking for our Venusian Waldo or whatever else looks unusually
of local intelligence somewhere near that complex tarmac, or perhaps
he/she is over near that large clover shaped reservoir that’s
connected to that other reservoir, or how about near the natural fluid
arch if not around that impressive bridge or just nearby any number of
other large scale infrastructure (including those rectangular rock
quarry sites situated just north of that bridge). There’s at least 5
gold stars plus a million other points to go along with your name as
given full credits for finding Waldo. (K-12 team/class efforts are
allowed, because there’s lots of observationology credit to go around)
Do your own image enlargement and post a link, or pretend you care by
doing absolutely nothing.
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
Venus facts and what-ifs, or perhaps it’s still mostly a secret don’t
ask and don’t tell kind of situation, because the voodoo/taboo planet
Venus is in fact extremely proto-Earth like, except a whole lot more
complex as having layers upon layers of a highly composite and even
reactive atmosphere that’s entirely different than anything you can
imagine. Besides all of the usual mainstream published data and
eyecandy that we’re always supposed to accept without doubts, fear or
remorse, it seems there’s a few other deductive science
interpretations that might not be quite so discouraging or suggesting
that Venus is so insurmountable as you might care to think, because
otherwise it’s especially doable to anyone having mastered space
travel, so I guess that’s why this automatically excludes the vast
majority of us.
The interpretation by some as suggesting 1% of those total atmospheric
gases by volumetric density as hosting heavy or acidic water is
actually a fairly impressive notion, whereas even 0.1% of pure h2o
would represent a serious amount considering that its atmospheric mass
of nearly 5e20 kg is simply so much greater than Earth’s. However,
the officially reported scale height of the Venus atmosphere is
specified as only 16 km, whereas this method represents how our
mainstream science manages to exclude whatever evidence and to
otherwise obfuscate by way of their mainstream science using only
whatever selected data falls within that first 16 km, thereby suites
their motives and hidden agenda of their intentionally not looking for
factoids of any life or much less intelligence.
Within this initial scale height of 16 km it is in fact relatively hot
and seemingly crystal dry, though it’s something more comparable to a
pressure cooker and that of its dry steam, and thereby offering a
mostly rocky surface without sufficient h2o laying around or much less
falling out of that sky (outside of seeing whatever vapors are always
headed up into those cool clouds), and therefore it’s all pretty much
chemically inert as well as reactively passive, even though there’s
also a great amount of raw S8 vapor along with mostly co2 and always
some of that unavoidable h2o that’s migrating its way up (the
thermodynamic physics norm of heat seeking cold). Even using the
second scale height that should take us up to 24 km is still
relatively hot and dry environment because the local pressure is still
keeping it that way. However, this odd method of using scale height
doesn’t seem to work as well as intended, as for giving us a good
enough picture to work with is instead a dysfunctional kind of useless
science that’s intentionally misleading.
“atmosphere of Venus are considerably dryer than corresponding
regions on Earth. The water content of the atmosphere is within the
realm of 0.1 to 1 per cent of the total atmospheric gases by volume”.
That 1% of a 115 km atmosphere that’s primarily saturated its water
vapor within them thick clouds, above which includes the upper O2
layer, or by using that of the given atmospheric mass of nearly 5e20
kg is worth something near 5e18 kg of h2o (5e3 teratonnes of mostly
water vapor and droplets that never get much below 30 km). However,
even taking the lower base estimate of 0.1% is still an amount worth
500 teratonnes of rather easily accessible water that’s being
continually replenished from within that newish acting planet.
***BTW; in order to add further confusion as investigative insult to
injury, the scale height (15.9 km) that’s used by NASA and by so many
others is roughly the lower portion that’s supposedly worth half the
volumetric pressure, as representing one atmospheric scale height that
obviously excludes the S8 layer and all the vast bulk of those acidic
wet clouds. Therefore, perhaps the actual total mass of the Venus
atmosphere is more than likely worth hosting a lot more water than
we’ve been informed by our peers, especially since the lower portion
is so nicely <67 kg/m3 buoyant, with so much of what’s above the first
scale height that contains all of that acidic water vapor as always
100% cloudy and otherwise reasonably cool (downright icy and even
cryogenic by night according to those ESA data reports). In other
words, the upper atmospheric layers or second, third, fourth and so on
scale height is all being nicely floated on top of the buoyant first
atmospheric height, and so forth as we go up.
***Using airships of unlimited mass is like placing a vast fleet of
million tonne battleships in the ocean which does not increase the
pressure below, whereas instead it just makes the big atmospheric pond
a little larger and ever so slightly deeper. In the case of Venus,
there’s really no limits outside of thermodynamics and specific
gravity as to how much larger and deeper or rather higher that
atmospheric ocean can get before the solar wind can manage to blow it
away.
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
Brad Guth
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The surface environment of Venus isn’t exactly the kind of
insurmountable hot and nasty hellhole that we might think it is, and
it’s certainly not anything that’s fooling anyone as geologically dead
or dormant like what we’ve been told over and over by those in charge
of our mainstream science and their public media infomercial mindset
that’s fully moderated and enforced by those few in charge of whatever
gets officially published and otherwise hyped. Venus nighttime at an
altitude of 70~90+ km also isn’t always so cryogenic, as apparently
there are thermodynamic ribbons or jet stream like up-flows and cross-
flows of that relatively extreme tropical atmospheric environment from
below. I believe the following report has merely failed to properly
post their “30 to 70 C” as otherwise it should have been correctly
stated as being –30 to –70 C, but none the less that’s still downright
toasty compared to the usual –120 C that’s available.
“The Unexpected Temperature Profile Of Venus's Atmosphere”
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/The_Unexpected_Temperature_Profile_Of_Venus_Atmosphere_999.html
The only problem being with some of this graphic applied eye-candy
analogy is that in reality so very little of the solar energy actually
reaches onto the lower (below cloud) atmosphere and directly touches
or interacts with that geothermally heated surface. Perhaps all of
0.5% or 13 w/m2 gets all the way to the surface, which certainly adds
to the 20.5 w/m2 that’s continually radiating away from the planet.
“Jean-Loup Bertaux, Service d'Aeronomie du CNRS, France, Ann-Carine
Vandaele, Institut d'Aeronomie Spatiale de Belgique, and colleagues
have now used Venus Express to discover an unexpectedly warm layer of
air on the planet's night-side. It sits between the altitudes of
90-120 km, a region that is generally so cold at night that scientists
often refer to it as Venus's cryosphere. The new measurements show
that the temperature excess ranges from 30 to 70C and peaks at an
altitude of 100 km.” (their graphic depicted scales are correct, by
showing everything above 60 km as -C, however it’s unlikely their
reporting error in their published context will ever be corrected
before getting extensively republished in public science journals and
textbooks), Venus - night-time temperatures in the atmosphere
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_0.html
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_1.html#subhead1
This following ESA image/graphic of the Venus day/night thermal
profiles is even a little more intriguing to those of us interested in
the future prospects of our accomplishing Venus, without getting our
composite rigid airship probes unnecessarily fried in the process.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg
Unfortunately, our future aerial/rigid-airship sustained expedition
cruising altitude may have to be flown below 35 km by day (possibly
below 25 km within the season of nighttime) in order to remain fully
in the clear of that acidic haze, thereby it’ll be much hotter outside
our air-conditioned composite rigid airship in order to avoid the bulk
of that lower acidic vapor (not that such warm acid is any
technological problem for modern engineered materials and systems),
and as otherwise necessary for escaping the bulk of those pesky
retrograde winds. However, along with having a positive/constructive
mindset, one can do absolute wonders within the regular laws of
physics, especially when using the best available science, technology
and deductive thinking along the way.
In other words, there’s really nothing simple or much less properly
understood about the Venus atmosphere, but at least there’s absolutely
no question of where the vast bulk of Venus heat is coming from, and
it’s most certainly not by way of the sun and atmospheric greenhouse
that’s merely contributing to a seriously nasty geothermal driven
environment. Unfortunately, it’s even ESA that mixes up their Kelvin
and Centigrade back and forth and leaves off their minus thermal
notation as though it really doesn’t matter because they don’t want
others to realize what the planet Venus has such cold atmospheric
environments to offer, thereby no wonder we have to see those
published errors and misconceptions in their science context that’ll
apparently get to stick with us no matters what.
With the JAXA Planet-C mission on their way and hopefully lots more
yet to come from the ESA's Venus EXPRESS team of investigative
wizards, perhaps updates and corrections will eventually materialize.
Just don’t hold your breath, because these things always take a great
deal of time (such as until previous science investigators and perhaps
their next generation manage to die).
Brad Guth
On behalf of Venus oxygen (O2) and what’s otherwise so geothermal of
such a newish kind of planetology surface environment, I’ve added a
little basic search information that even a dysfunctional preschool
child could probably accomplish on their little green laptop.
Planet C (Venus 2.0) would likely represent a tough crowd for a stand
up comedian, although it’s not actually technically insurmountable
unless you had a mainstream status-quo mindset of perpetual denial and
otherwise of evidence exclusion (scientific obfuscation form of their
taking the fifth whenever any possible revision is in sight).
Try a LeapFrog Search: Venus oxygen or Venus volcanoes
http://images.google.com/images?q=venus%20oxygen&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
http://www.entertainmentandshowbiz.com/venus-express-searches-for-life-on-earth-200810193508
Venus Express Searches For Life On Earth
http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1584729/venus_express_searches_for_life_on_earth/index.html
“We see water and molecular oxygen in Earth’s atmosphere, but Venus
also shows these signatures.”
Venus Express: Zoom-in on Venus’ oxygen airglow.
http://jtintle.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/zoom-in-on-venus%E2%80%99-oxygen-airglow/
“The X-rays from Venus are produced by fluorescent radiation from
oxygen and other atoms in the atmosphere between 120 and 140
kilometers above the surface of the planet.”
http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2001/venus/
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=af&u=http://kosmofysis.com/af/universo/sistema-solare/444-dove-e-andata-lacqua-di-venere.html&ei=ckl-TNfRJ4j6sAOV4c2VCw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCkQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522%2Bvan%2Bwater%2Bop%2BVenus%2522%26num%3D20%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3Drx7%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Db
“Despite the low concentration of water on Venus, so fetch and
colleagues found that the day side of the planet loses water molecules
2e24 hydrogen nuclei (one of the two atoms of H2O ) per second.”
"We can keep the water escape from the night side of Venus. But the
question remains: How much of this water is in the past have lost
because of this phenomenon?" Says Stas Barabash, the Swedish Institute
of Space Physics in Kiruna and Principal Investigator (PI) of ASPERA's
observation that worked on the night side of Venus.”
http://venus-express-news.newslib.com/story/6016-3173344/
“These results from Venus Express demonstrate that the heavier water
containing deuterium has not been able to escape Venus’s gravity as
easily as normal H2O. This enrichment of heavy water provides strong
evidence that water loss is occurring in the upper atmosphere and that
Venus was probably more humid and Earth-like in the distant past,”
said Dr Emmanuel Marcq of the LATMOS laboratory in France.”
The free h2o that isn’t locked up as thick clouds of sulphuric acid is
only worth 25<50 ppm. However, that volume and subsequent tonnage of
acidic water vapor still isn’t exactly insignificant. Of course the
sulphuric acid can always be easily enough vacuum distilled in order
to separate and extract the h2o portion.
The published topics of old and new research goes on and on, though
probably not offered in sufficient LeapFrog eye-candy format for the
mentally disadvantaged or in braille format for the sight impaired
likes of our resident rusemasters and countless others suffering from
a genetic disorder of incurable denial and perpetual nayism. I
believe the Venus O2 science goes back nearly a couple of decades, as
credited to those having used narrow bandpass optical filters, but
having never got anything mainstream published until more recently.
Even though this Venus O2 layer is situated well above those acidic
clouds, at least this means that it’s the element of oxygen that is
emerging from the planet to start off with. Btw, not to discount
those robust and fairly acidic clouds that would easily provide 500
teratonnes of pure h2o, as well as subsequently offering nearly
unlimited amounts of o2, h2 and of all things nifty would have to
include their making of h2o2. Any good 5th grade science class effort
would likely prove sufficient for this kind of a science project,
because observationology is not faith-based nor is it politically
correct, it’s just pure science w/o strings or conditional physics
attached.
http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/project/virtis/venus-vol.html
“There are some 55,000 volcanoes larger than 1 km across identified
on Venus, spread over 646 volcano fields.”
http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/volcanoes/planet_volcano/venus/intro.html
“Venus has more volcanoes than any other planet in the solar
system.” Over 1600 major volcanoes or volcanic features are known
(see map), and there are so many other smaller volcanoes. (“No one has
yet counted them all, but the total number may be over 100,000 or even
over 1,000,000”).
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf
Geothermal CO2+S8 gas vents, as interpreted within “An Alternate View
of Venus” by John Ackerman, and by rights this interpretation alone
should have given enough cause to those interested in learning the
truth. Would any of you folks like to review and offer your best swag
(scientific wild ass guess) as to my Guth Venus "fluid arch", or is
this perfectly natural geological item still too closely associated
with my Guth Venus township or ET outpost of all those fairly large
and complex looking structures and their major tarmac, as situated
within their perfectly rational community that’s clearly observable to
those few of us that might actually care to look?
I’ll try to have a little more to share about this nighttime
temperature, as the extremely need-to-know or nondisclosure voodoo
science that’s public funded and so often delayed and encrypted or
none-disclosure rated eventually leaks its way out of their mainstream
cabal of perpetual denial, evidence exclusions and carefully
orchestrated deceptions, not that I don’t trust our government to
always do the right thing at least once in a while However, as you
can readily see by the sorts of topic/author stalking and systematic
bashings taking place (extensively in alt.astronomy), it’s still not
easy being green or honest.
In the mean time, would any of you folks care to review and offer your
best swag as to what is creating my Guth Venus "fluid arch", or is
this seemingly natural item still too closely associated with the Guth
Venus township or whatever ET outpost having all those fairly large
and complex structures along with that fairly major and complex shaped
tarmac, as an intelligent infrastructure situated within a fairly
mountainous terrain, yet offering a perfectly rational looking
community.
At least the relatively inexpensive JAXA Planet-C mission is off to a
good start, so in the very near future there’s going to be more
science and a subsequent better understanding as to that composite
atmosphere and its thermodynamics that’s mostly geology thermodynamic
related. Our DARPA and NASA has had SAR imaging capability of meter
resolution, but there's still no motivation for utilizing our existing
bought and paid for technology on the planet Venus, so for the moment
we simply have to continue doing without because supposedly they have
better things to be doing with our hard earned loot.
Brad Guth
Just because you and most others can not breath underwater,
underground or otherwise survive where it’s always too cold, too dry,
too wet or of having too little pressure or simply where it’s too hot
and too much pressure doesn’t means that other complex forms of
evolution and even intelligent life can not manage, especially if
whatever local or imported intelligence applied physics and the
necessary technology plus having good logistics.
Try real hard to listen up folks;
ETs most likely do exist, mostly because the odds against other
complex and even superior intelligent life not existing/coexisting
somewhere off-world is simply too great, and otherwise with newer and
better astronomy plus mission probes are making those pro-ET odds as
having been looking better all the time, as well as there’s every good
enough reason(s) to believe that some species of complex life as ETs
to us have already been here and/or at least nearby all along, while
others have merely come and gone as of thousands or millions of years
ago, as well as there being something intelligent as having been
recently utilizing the planet Venus for all it’s worth. This is not
to say that such ETs are somehow above or beyond the regular laws of
physics or having extremely advanced biological capabilities all that
far exceed those of ours. However, their having local space travel
capability of <0.1c seems perfectly reasonable enough, and perhaps
even as great as <0.5c for accommodating their robotic probes or
transponders accomplishing extended interstellar probe treks may also
have been technically doable, but I’d say that’s about it for galactic
locals.
If it were not for the substantial SEC fiasco(s) plus those multiple
other related failures world wide (before, during and after as though
nothing has changed for the better), plus 9/11 and the subsequent
global spendy wars and increased security because of those other
humans (mostly disgruntled Muslims) that we’re always taking advantage
of and then trying to get rid of before they manage to return the
favor, we’d be all set up on remote off-world places like our moon and
Mars, as well as having those zero delta-V outpost/gateways and most
likely capably accomplishing Venus by now. Instead we got less than
zilch, plus we’re deeply in debt to nations we supposedly don’t like
and still at odds with many others that we really can’t afford to do
anything about.
Even at the ET trek velocity of 0.1c, the local interstellar distances
involved are often staggering, not to mention intergalactic stuff
that’s unlikely unless riding on a rogue planet or moon of a
sufficiently large planet, and otherwise with only a few blue-shifted
expectations, most other potential goldilocks zones of worthy
exoplanets and their moons outside of our galaxy have been getting
further away (outside of those trillion some odd stars of Andromeda
that we’re closing that gap at 300 km/sec), a nearby galaxy that’s
every bit as likely populated if not a whole lot not more so
goldilocks worthy seems rather likely to host other intelligent life,
thereby we have an entire galaxy that’s mutually in blue-shift with us
and likely has them scared to death that they might eventually run
into a heathen/infidel planet like Eden/Earth that’s forever stuck in
faith-based voodoo mode.
However, within the near future it seems we’re also headed back
towards the local Sirius star/solar system,. In the not so distant
past of perhaps only a few hundred million years ago, it seems a
smaller galaxy had gradually merged/encountered our Milky Way, as
having contributed all sorts of stellar companions, along with
contributing and causing rogue stuff, plus offering a few of those
terrific molecular clouds that gave birth to the likes of our
impressive Sirius star/solar system that we’re closing in on and could
get within a light year of.
In the greater interpretation of all this, I certainly would not
intentionally exclude other evolutionary methods of ETs morphing and
achieving an equal or better level of physiological expertise within
their own intelligent design efforts, of creating custom DNA/RNA on
behalf of refining their own complex forms of life (exactly as
Monsanto and many others have been doing), including a few highly
specialized and intelligent forms as something equal or better than
our human species that would have also developed and incorporated
sufficient technology in order to better accomplish their survival,
especially on behalf of surviving upon other planets or moons as
having extremes and/or whatever lack or excess in local and renewable
energy to work with, or on behalf of whatever environments believed
too harsh/extreme for their naked species.
For this deductive analogy of planetary energy usage, you simply have
to rethink with an open mindset as to the all-inclusive energy cycle,
of which the extremely nearby planet Venus seems to have far more than
its fair share of energy to work with, and with energy almost anything
becomes doable..
Compared to the mostly CO2 icy and seemingly much older and
geologically defunct planet of Mars, Venus by rights should offer at
least a good million fold better treasure-trove of raw elements and
energy per cubic meter of its own active geothermal and atmospheric
forms to draw upon, as well as in many ways more than a hundred fold
better off than anything Eden/Earth has to offer. Trying to suggest
otherwise is simply proof positive of the orchestrated intent and
naysay mindset imposed by those in control of our K12 education and
mainstream media, as well as cloaked those of our Google Groups (aka
Usenet/newsgroups) that systematically topic/author stalk as these
brown-nose clowns of their mainstream status quo that attempts to
banish or disqualify outsiders and otherwise they systematically
obfuscate, as always meant to exclude whatever deductive
observationology as well as to continually banish or exclude the
planetology of real physics and the best available science that just
so happens to rock their faith-based and/or politically correct boat.
If you don’t think I’m sufficiently correct, please feel free to prove
otherwise.
Those of you as perhaps not quite 5th graders, and/or if otherwise
still having trouble locating or accessing the unmoderated public
Usenet/newsgroups (such as "alt.astronomy"), as such may have to get
connected to an outside server that's not having been stealth
moderated to death by those in charge of your brainwashing.
Deductive observational science isn't for everyone, much the same as
logical dot connecting of evidence isn't for everyone because most
folks want to be told what to believe. The Magellan SAR image that
I'm working from is exactly what it is, and if you'd care to think
perfectly natural hot rock should look exactly like a fairly
substantial and complex tarmac, alongside a complex and rational
community plan of substantial structures, along with having multiple
nearby reservoirs, that pesky bridge and rock quarry sites, plus
whatever else seems perfectly rigid airship worthy, than so be it
because I certainly can’t do everything for you.
Brad Guth
Though intelligent other life that has likely existed and perhaps
still does exist/coexist on planet 2 (Venus), none the less for many
of us it remains as a rather taboo/nondisclosure rated planet by our
NASA and their devout army of brown-nosed minions that are mostly
public funded and allowed to practice their usual mainstream status-
quo voodoo. None the less, you and others can still see for yourself
as to what is so unexpected.
"Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1"
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
If you simply can’t manage to do the most basic zoom-in, image crop
and if need be turning off or excluding the color format because there
is no actual color within any SAR obtained image to begin with, much
less doing the most basic PhotoShop or whatever digital enlargements w/
(unsharp mask) and other filters, don’t bother to worry yourself
because, it seems 99.9% of Usenet still can’t tie their own shoelaces
or much less perform the most basic digital photographic tasks
either. If need be, I'll gladly provide those digital enlargements
that can always be peer replicated to whatever extent makes you a
happy camper.
Many here in Usenet/newsgroups have obviously gotten themselves caught
with their mainstream pants all the way down and even having broke
wind with their usual intellectual failsafe spew of scientific bigotry
that’s showing us its ugly closed mindset of perpetual naysay, denial
and evidence exclusion (aka obfuscation). Though in spite of such an
apparent lack of deductible common sense knowledge and perfectly
deductive interpretations, along with their usual obfuscation and
seeming inability to accomplish a basic web search for much of
anything without benefit of their LeapFrog and faith-based filtered
browser that’s also kept politically correct, how about the rest of us
start sharing a positive/constructive technological and what-if
applied thought or two, such as on behalf of deductively considering
intelligent ETs (meaning us humans if you like) accomplishing Venus,
perhaps even towards sharing a little something like our William Mook
(aka willie.moo) recently contributed within another topic “Is it this
easy to live on Earth?” that’s closely related to intelligent life
surviving on Venus. http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/f618c4f91e8e77d4
Atmospheric diatoms or simply flighty microbes and spores? (not
exactly impossible)
Every 19 months our world tends to receive another panspermia surprise
or two, therefore a discovery of Venus atmospheric microbes, spores or
diatoms would certainly be nice to confirm, however, you really do not
require surface and/or any upper atmosphere accommodated realm of
diatoms, or for that matter any viable microbes or spores of complex
local DNA for a given other planet or moon environment to accommodate
intelligent other life, even if it’s only as marginally intelligent
and/or as totally snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no
return, plus so often colorblind as many humans have become.
Supposedly our physically dark moon that’s naked to the tune of the
3e-15 bar, that represents a lunar environment continually surrounded
by a highly charged atmosphere of hot sodium and a few other lofty
elements, plus most everything else about our moon/Selene being highly
electrostatic charged and otherwise fully reactive as that perfectly
raw exposed surface of complex mineral density actually is, of which
by day or night is saturated in cosmic plus local recoil gamma, and by
day getting its IR roasted surface extra saturated in those solar soft
to hard X-rays, plus always receiving loads of CME plasma and
otherwise representing itself as every bit as bad if not somewhat
worse off than any nasty portion of what our Van Allan magnetosphere
badlands has to offer. Yet in spite of such daunting negative and
potentially lethal odds, it supposedly had intelligent life walking
and driving about on its clumping and monochromatic dust covered
surface (namely Apollo astronauts that supposedly had all “the right
stuff” but shortly afterwards lost track of most everything that we
paid dearly for), as though it was exactly like a certain terrestrial
monochromatic guano island that was entirely passive, extensively
offering an albedo of 0.65 < 0.75 as though it were merely a xenon arc-
lamp spectrum of UV deficient illumination and otherwise even
relatively UV inert (meaning that nothing natural or artificial gave
off any of those expected secondary/recoil photons that their
unfiltered Kodak film by rights should have recorded.
What this proves to some of us is that apparently the regular laws of
physics do not necessarily apply to off-world applications. So, how
technically hard or otherwise insurmountable could Venus really be?
Especially if the regular laws of physics do not apply, as they
obviously didn’t apply on behalf of those having “the right stuff”
that supposedly accomplished our Selene/moon without their having
traumatized hardly a single strand of their DNA, or having spoiled any
mm2 of all that unfiltered Kodak film.
Brad Guth
Sorry folks, but those are not dry dust clouds of sulfur and other
crystals surrounding Venus.
If our moon is supposedly loaded with <37e12 tonnes of water (as based
upon 50 ppm), then by all means a super terrific nearby planet like
Venus is not going to be h2o deficient, or much less short of most any
other elements. Those acidic layers of thick clouds and haze (roughly
30 km worth, or 1.4e19 m3) might easily contain anywhere from 500e12
<5000e12 tonnes of water, and always remember that most if not
essentially all of that water came from within the planet that’s still
geologically and geothermally venting and otherwise radiating its core
energy at 20.5 w/m2.
Below those thick clouds my be less than 25 teratonnes of free h2o
above the hot surface, which in that toasty environment is next to
nothing.
Perhaps Venus (? Sirius C or at least once a planet of Sirius B?) is
only a couple hundred and some odd million years old. At least that
would account for why it’s so proto-Earth like.
Stars like those of Sirius tend to fire-up in a relative flash and
settle into their main sequence of consuming and CME tossing their
mass right off the bat (Sirius B losing 1.2e12 tonnes/sec), as well as
forming their planets within no more than a few million years.. We're
looking at roughly a million years worth at most for that sort of
emerging stellar start-up or fusion flare-up process of Sirius(B) that
may have taken place <264 million years ago, as perhaps more than
likely a few thousand or conceivably even a few hundred years might
have been the sufficient initial gravity sequence for such a massive
molecular cloud to collapse and spawn such stars, especially if there
were sufficient gravity seed to begin with.
In other words, for pretty much the same reason Sirius(A) is so
freaking bright (as well as Sirius(B) having previously gone through
its red supergiant phase and helium flashover or soft-nova to boot),
there simply was no passive dim sun for any billion initial years so
that our Venus could have been a wet Eden like environment. If
anything, for a while our sun had likely been extra big (<2.5e30 kg at
first) and subsequently active enough to help keep Mars thawed out.
Once that stellar making gravity takes hold and starts to compress all
of those molecular hydrogen and helium atoms into becoming a bonafide
star, it is not likely as slow or soft fusion ignition sequence as you
might think, and especially not if there was ever a gravity seed to
start with when that terrific molecular cloud showed up.
Our own original molecular cloud may have been worth 2e33<2e36 kg, and
most of it (<99.9999%) has to be still out there because, 0.1 c is
about as fast as such molecular clouds can move or expand away from a
slow-nova or stellar fusion start-up. This means its outer most shell
or furthest shockwave radius is only at most 450 million years out,
although I might also believe it has only managed as little expansion
as 45 million years out because, 1% c is also a reasonably good
velocity for dispersing such molecular mass.
For this same deductive reasoning, that Sirius molecular cloud of
considerably greater initial mass (<2.5e37 kg) should still be within
as little as 2 million light years out, a fraction of the distance
modern telescopes record molecular cloud details and cosmic molecular
interactions on a regular basis. So, I believe can we safely suggest
that a good portion of our mainstream accepted physics on behalf of
stellar creation is at least somewhat bogus, if not dysfunctional.
How much of the CMB is actually that noise of whatever created the
Sirius star system?
Other strange food for thought: Isn’t it the least bit conceivable
that our sun was once Sirius(C)? (otherwise, why are we headed back
towards Sirius?)
Pardon this little Sirius diversion. I’ll try to focus this topic on
the planet Venus, but I just thought that Sirius is just as important
to Venus as it is to us.
~ BG
Brad Guth
It’s still all about having focus, focus, focus:
At least I still know what's worth doing, and obviously most of you
folks don't hardly know squat and probably don’t really want to know,
and/or you are simply too deathly afraid of your own shadow to so much
as make any move on your own. Most of you still think our moon is
somehow inert, a monochromatic terrain of light grays and otherwise
not the least bit radioactive nor even electrostatic charged nor
hardly the least bit UV reactive, but otherwise you really like all
those media hyped eyecandy pictures of most everything else that’s far
away, to go right along with your Corexit Happy Meals that only
Monsanto knows wxactly what they’re really made of anyway.
Observationology is a deductive kind of science that's easily
replicated and peer verified, and yet so few of us have obtained
sufficient expertise outside of having supposedly spotted all of those
Muslim WMD. I guess if there’s a population of global inflation
caused starvation and abject poverty compared to us, and having a
perpetual caste system of faith-based voodoo and thereby individuals
qualified as Islamic/Muslim WMD, then lots of those existed, as they
still do if not worse than ever.
For a fraction of the mutually perpetrated cold-war investments that
actually created 9/11 and its subsequent global anti-terrorism war
with terrific logistics and government expansion cost that isn’t over
until long after the GOP fat lady sings, we could easily have been to
Venus and back multiple times by now. But then lots of other science,
physics and biotechnology advancements could also have been
accomplished with time and loot to spare, including our having a
perfectly terrific infrastructure of clean/renewable energy
independence, along with accomplishing a two fold energy grid capacity
improvement and expansion to boot, right along with our accomplishing
the planet Venus just for fun.
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As far as we know there’s no two planets, moons or stars exactly
alike, meaning that our universe and local galaxy is infinitely
diverse and perhaps incapable of ever exactly replicating itself, plus
our galaxy is also made up of much older stuff and perhaps something
newer from other galaxies that merged with ours. So why bother
looking for another exact Eden like planet when the local and cosmic
diversity has so much other to offer, as even within our solar system.
Even though there's an extremely thick and acidic layer of those dense
clouds surrounding 100% of Venus (containing loads of water
extensively in the form of sulphuric acid), whereas far enough under
those wet acidic clouds there's a relatively clear and calm atmosphere
giving a good view of a geothermally active planet with a relatively
dry but always toasty surface of various exposed minerals as depicted
by those sulphur-yellowish filtered photons.
Unlike Venus and most every other planet or moon, apparently our NASA/
Apollo approved moon is uniquely monochromatic and otherwise entirely
inert, even by their LRO mission seems colorblind. Go figure how we
got stuck with such a worthless light gray kind of moon (just
kidding), as I have located multiple color/hue saturated and contrasty
images of our physically dark moon/Selene that'll make anyone with
half a brain wonder why our NASA and their Apollo wizards with all
that “right stuff” were always so mineralogy colorblind.
A little extra side storyline about our moon:
White (the visible color we see as our moon) is supposedly a composite
of all colors combined, and so why is our NASA and their peers still
so color-blinded by all that physically dark mineral reflected white
light of our unavoidably UV reactive moon/Selene?
http://www.coronaborealis.org/images/full_moon_color.png
http://www.rc-astro.com/photo/id1018.html
Lo and behold, it seems there are dozens if not hundreds of others as
offering equally color/hue saturated images, telling us what kinds of
raw minerals are to be found on that naked, dusty and electrostatic
charged surface that’s also relatively eroded and radioactive as well
as unavoidably cosmic and solar particle saturated, pretty much
exactly like the worse of whatever our nasty magnetosphere has to
offer, that which our ISS orbit must avoid the SAA contour at all
cost.
Imagine how much better quality and of color/hue saturation when
obtained from a close orbit and using spendy optics as well as the
best camera technology that offers loads of better than human spectrum
and dynamic range to spare. Here again our NASA images are without
other stars and even without other planets in each of their FOVs, and
yet amateurs with inferior cameras, using less quality optics and
stuck with having the atmosphere of Earth in the way, seem to have
recorded a few other stars and especially other planets along with our
physically dark moon that’s actually quite colorful. The planet Venus
isn’t exactly dim nor all that far away, especially every 19 months
when it gets to within 100 LD.
Back to Venus where almost anything becomes doable.
With JAXA's Planet-C mission well on it's way towards Venus as
outfitted with better observation instruments, whereas their local
team of expertise should uncover important data that our NASA and
those Magellan mission wizards just couldn't figure out to save their
souls. Even the existing ESA Venus Express mission seems unable to
interpret or share much of anything that might upset the mainstream
old guard status-quo, that'll keep insisting that Venus is every bit
as old as Earth and otherwise only greenhouse heated because Venus is
supposed to be as solidified as Mercury, Earth and Mars, as well as
having been without a moon.
I on the other hand tend to believe there’s perfectly good reasons for
that robust atmosphere and those acidic clouds that represent at least
500 teratonnes of water, plus the 20.5 w/m2 that’s radiating from its
geothermally heated surface, as well as having those unusual pixel
patterns of what easily interprets as suggesting a considerable level
of intelligent infrastructure.
Brad Guth
Believe it or not, it seems that our government as a whole, that
includes dozens of public-funded agencies and many of those having
stealth/mystery black ops running rogue at most any time, it seems
that it doesn't always tell us the whole truth and nothing but the
truth, whereas instead we’ve all been to some formal and informal
extent systematically mainstream snookered, indoctrinated and/or
manipulated by our beloved peers as to what supposedly makes
everything tick, including that extremely nearby planet Venus that’s
made so unusually hot and nasty, but oddly we’ve not been informed of
all the many alternatives or having access to the remainders of what
should have also been considered and realized about the nearest
planet, that’s also by far the most similar to early Earth.
To start with, most of you have no technical expertise or other
educated idea as to what a radar obtained (SAR) image represents, much
less capable of interpreting as anything but another one of NASA’s
colorblind examples where you can’t possibly tell a diamond from a
chunk of coal, gold from mud or most any visible element color from
another. In fact minerals or deposits of most any sort simply can’t
be deductively extrapolated from looking at a monochrome image
(especially where the lighting and shadows are always such variables),
whereas a radar obtained image you can at least interpret the density
and/or the composite substance that’s represented by each pixel, which
in the case of Venus can be offered as a GIF pixel of 36 confirming
looks or scans which provides by far the least distorted as well as
the most trustworthy and thus truthworthy values.
Here in Google Groups and throughout Usenet/newsgroups are mostly
public funded clowns as our peers, offering a gauntlet of faith-based
and politically correct parrots (including the most devout Semites
cloaked as pretend-Atheists), as well as we always have the usual
secondary gauntlet of their brown-nosed minions as parrots, clowns and
special interest cabals of insiders looking for intelligent other life
or essentially any form of other life in pretty much all the wrong
places, as though only the most wet Eden like planets should qualify.
As of lately these devout mainstream parrots and their fellowship of
minions seem to like promoting their inert eyecandy best of all, and
the further away from us the better, because that's not representing
or imposing any social/political or faith-based threats to their
mainstream past, present or future mindset of tactical obfuscation
that so often has to topic/author stalk and post their replies as
mostly limited to a few Google Usenet newsgroups, bashing away as
though alt.astronomy and other public unmoderated newsgroups shouldn’t
have existed in the first place.
Imagine if an exoplanet exactly like Venus were just discovered, and
then to further consider what biological evolution possibilities
should exist, knowing something of how complex robust life can manage
to evolve and/or adapt to extreme environments that would otherwise
kill off a human species within seconds if not sooner, and yet with
applied physics and a moderate level of good logistics and technology
it’s worth noting that we too could easily explore and even eventually
adapt to surviving within such potentially lethal environments
(similar to those on Earth where it takes a good deal of applied
physics and our best technology in order that we survive and function,
or even upon our physically dark moon as those Apollo missions
supposedly demonstrated without hardly a hitch).
Further imagine what a truly advanced species of ET humanoids or
whatever intelligent complex species could manage to accomplish,
especially if they didn't have bogus wars and faith-based voodoo or
those special interest cabals of such greed, hording and corruption
holding them back. Can you imagine how retarded such ETs would be if
their mostly public funded patent infringements were always strictly
forbidden. (perhaps anything receiving more than 33% public funding
should be made available to anyone that’s a valid taxpayer or even a
consumer, and of those taking less than 33% should be prorated because
it’s pretty much near impossible for to accomplish a better technology
or science advancement without having involved some degree of public
infrastructure and thus public investment, but then such a policy
would only have advanced us by at least a thousand years and few if
any nations in debt because most of our problems would have been
resolved.
Wherever good robotics can manage to survive (from environments of
extreme pressures, temperatures and that of lethal radiation and
absolute vacuum), it's entirely possible for those same levels of
advanced technology and applied expertise to accommodate us humans,
thereby whatever ET intelligent other life really shouldn’t be all
that insurmountable, and it's always going to be a whole lot easier if
there's an unlimited local cache of energy to draw upon, as well as
ample supplies of local minerals plus water, of which this extremely
nearby planet Venus offers more than a sufficient amount of raw
minerals plus loads of h2o to spare as long as we’re allowed to
consider the acidic water that’s contained within them thick clouds
plus whatever is being geothermally forced out of the planet as
usable.
ESA’s Venus EXPRESS and the latest JAXA “PLANET C” are each missions
intended to better explain why such a nearby (100x LD) planet that’s
supposedly as old as Earth is still so geologically active and
otherwise full of mineral and chemical surprises, that includes a
great deal of those interior vapors with water and otherwise unlimited
local renewable energy that isn’t based on hydrocarbons or the usual
forms of combustion.
This isn’t my saying that each and every hot or cold planet and/or
whatever moon is going to become humanly accessible and livable, much
less in the buff as the case with Eden/Earth once that last ice age
had taken place and of course those pesky and always hungry dinosaurs
had previously all became extinct for reasons yet unknown. Before
this Eden of ours became human populated, there was an extremely nifty
composite of a life thriving and sustaining planet with a rather heavy
amount of dense atmosphere, sustaining an environment that was
saturated with complex and often larger forms of life (mostly other
than anything humanoid) that at the time we few if any humans may have
amounted to a mass of something less than 1 ppb (whereas today our
global biodiversity mass amounts to roughly 1 ppm) and back then w/o
moon and having only limited seasons along with those rather
substantial ice ages and subsequent tropical periods plus loads of
nasty weather extremes and those horrific floods in between those ice-
age cycles, as there was no spectacular moon and no significant
seasonal tilt, because otherwise us frail humans that were rather
poorly evolved for surviving this planet would have needed to
seasonally migrate along with other species, as well as further
complicated because there were only so many caves and some of those
would have been inhabited by those mean and hungry animals that
wouldn’t have taken kindly to sharing their cozy habitats with such
primitive humans.
This simply means, that even for an evolving planet or moon that’s
either too cold or too hot and nasty can manage to sustain certain
complex other forms of life, and perhaps even evolved enough to create
substantial infrastructure that we can easily interpret from SAR
imaging of their planet or moon. If ETs had perfected a form of
directed panspermia, there’s simply no telling how many planets and
moons were given a better than random happenstance shot at hosting
complex life (including Eden/Earth where we humans represent 1 ppm,
though it used to be only 1 ppb up until we sort of got the hang of
it).
Brad Guth
Is not cloud water the same as planet water?
According to the ESA Herschel infrared space observatory and NASA’s
SWAS, there’s even a icy/water saturated disk surrounding certain
massive red giant carbon stars like IRC+10216, that somehow manage to
use their buckyballs to help create and hold ice/water.
http://www.spacetoday.org/DeepSpace/Stars/WaterWater/WaterWater.html
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2010/09/02/Mystery-of-stars-cloud-of-water-solved/UPI-85521283468396/
“The star is surrounded by a huge cloud of dust and gas, and
astronomers say ultraviolet light from surrounding stars is reaching
deep into the dust cloud and breaking up molecules such as carbon
monoxide and silicon monoxide. This releases oxygen atoms that then
attach themselves to hydrogen molecules, forming water.”
"This is the only mechanism that explains the full range of the
water's temperature," Leen Decin of Katholieke Universiteit Leuven,
Belgium, said.
“The closer to the star the water is formed, the hotter it will be, he
said. This is a good example of how better instruments can change our
picture completely," Decin said.
Speaking of better instruments changing everything we once thought we
knew, whereas surrounding Venus from 35 km to 65 km or 40 to 70 km is
a considerable 30 km band worth of dense acidic clouds and their upper/
lower haze, that together represents a rather significant volume
(1.4e19 m3), and subsequent potential wet acidic mass that's
surrounding the planet Venus. Where exactly did that unusual mass of
water come from, and why hasn’t it been simply blown away by those
solar winds?
How much of our planet Venus is made of carbon, or giving off carbon?
Even at a conservative average density of 1 kg/m3 = 1.4e16 tonnes of
ideal gasses or something (including S8/sulfur) that is always held
within them clouds is not exactly insignificant.
Within a toasty atmosphere that’s mostly CO2 and working with 90%
gravity, if those acidic molecules of which water saturation were just
33% of those other ideal gasses/vapors, perhaps that portion of h2o
becomes worth 4.62e15 tonnes, and 10% of that is still 462 teratonnes,
which seems terribly conservative as to how much water that volume
represents.
Earth’s wussy atmosphere that’s roughly 1% as dense, much colder and
having 10% greater gravity than Venus, still manages to hold 50<100
teratonnes of water. As our global warming trend continues to thaw
our remaining glacial ice and otherwise evaporates surface water at an
ever increasing rate, that ideal gas/vapor density of water saturation
should eventually exceed 100 teratonnes, as perhaps representing 2+%
of the atmospheric mass and becoming not a very nice place to live
unless you are sufficiently rich and powerful.
On Earth “A useful rule of thumb is that the maximum absolute humidity
doubles for every 20 °F (11.1 °C) increase in temperature.” and “Water
vapor is a lighter gas than air at the same temperature, so humid air
will tend to rise by natural convection.” So perhaps that atmosphere
of Venus must be similar.
The atmosphere of Venus in Earth tonnes is supposedly worth 5.3e20 kg,
or roughly a little over a hundred times greater than what we on Earth
have to work with. So it’s not terribly mind-blowing to consider that
a Venus atmosphere can offer a great deal of atmospheric water as well
as hosting any number of heavier elements, but none the less weird
that our best teams of wizards still can’t figure it out..
In order to keep us village idiots confused and/or dumbfounded and
thus easily snookered, they (NASA and our peers) have used the limited
scale height method instead of taking the whole atmosphere into
account, and thereby extensively ignoring or excluding anything that’s
above 16 km.
Scale height defines the distance over which the pressure drops by
37%, which kinda excludes the other 63% that holds most of the water.
In the case of Venus, that scale height of 96 –35.5 bar is 60.5, bar
which is situated well below them clouds. Below the clouds there’s
perhaps only 25<100 ppm water depending on altitude as well as
somewhat skewed by day or night. In other words, atmospheric “scale
height” usage is nearly meaningless or rather intentionally misleading
when applied to Venus.
In that dense molecular atmosphere and 10% less gravity, acidic water
vapor is actually quite buoyant, especially as it floats above a
robust atmospheric layer of S8(sulfur). In other words, the lower and
nearly crystal dry and much hotter atmosphere of what’s near that
geothermally heated Venus surface is considerably compressed as much
denser than the upper water moist atmosphere that’s much cooler, even
going cryogenic by their season of nighttime.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg
Brad Guth
Is the planet Venus forbidden?
Outside of K12 textbook gibberish plus all the usual eyecandy and
media infomercial hype that’s mainstream touted and peer flatulated as
though it’s the one and only interpretation that matters, it seems
Venus actually isn’t all that technically insurmountable, and it
certainly isn’t the least bit mineral, water or energy resource
deficient, so it must be NASA and DARPA voodoo forbidden.
Up until I’d informed our NASA as of December 2000, as to what looked
entirely out of place within that terrific radar obtained image data
from one of our spendy public funded missions, namely our Magellan
mission as having SAR obtained quality surface images and subsequently
those having been offered to the public as a composite GIF format of
36 confirming looks/scans per pixel, whereas ever since the systematic
denials, applied obfuscation, banishment and topic/author stalking
became their tactical damage-control policy norm of this and every
other science/astronomy related forum, and our NASA was perfectly good
with that.
How did the natural geology and surface morphing evolution of such
nifty mountainous, plus lava and erosion formed terrain for such an
actively hot planet that’s getting rid of 20.5 w/m2 (Earth losing <128
mw/m2), ever manage to accomplish those seemingly intelligent looking
logistics and structural like attributes, that look as though offering
a perfectly rational community like infrastructure?
Is mother nature intelligent?
Is natural geology intelligent?
Is there anything similar on Earth or that of some other planet that’s
perfectly natural offering that same or larger scale and complexity?
Should the best interpreted geology that’s peer accepted most
everywhere else you’d care to look, along with those regular laws of
physics and the best other available science simply not apply to the
planet Venus?
Should I get LeapFrog to publish this investigative research along
with my deductive observationology as a glossy and colorful pop-up
book of similar eyecandy, so that our mainstream of public funded
dysfunctionals of less than 5th grade mindsets can scratch and sniff
for themselves?
NASA Magellan:
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/magellan/
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/mission_page/VN_Magellan_page1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/magellan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magellan_probe
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/browse_frm/thread/76ced0ffd7f6e03f?hl=en#
For all we know, our all-inclusive NASA and their various cabals of
special interest and insider groups (including DARPA) doesn't actually
know squat, just like they don't seem to know or much less share all
the public-funded science data about our physically dark moon/Selene,
nor into sharing as to why their interpretation of Newtonian laws say
that we supposedly are not unavoidably associated with the still
massive Sirius star/solar system, or even why the planet Venus has
been losing its 20.5 w/m2 and otherwise hosting what looks as though
it were populated by something rather intelligent and quite rational
about a planet with local water and sufficient renewable local energy,
whereas almost any such planet or moon (hot or cold) becomes humanly
survivable, as long as our doing such in the buff isn’t considered an
option.
Not only is there 500<5000 teratonnes of easily accessible water (with
always more on the way), Venus should also have loads of renewable
energy to burn (so to speak), extensively in the form of easily
induced vertical isothermal-dynamic wind that can just as easily be
routed so as to exit though a radial turbine.
Solar updraft towers of as little as 200 meters on Earth can with good
design obtain an unobstructed up-draft of <15 m/s.
http://www.1000friendsofflorida.org/Solar/The_Solar_Updraft.pdf
http://climatelab.org/Solar_Updraft_Towers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooling_tower
“Natural draft, which utilizes buoyancy via a tall chimney. Warm,
moist air naturally rises due to the density differential to the dry,
cooler outside air. Warm moist air is less dense than drier air at the
same pressure. This moist air buoyancy produces a current of air
through the tower.”
This next link is still pertaining to our wussy terrestrial
atmospheric applications.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/natural-draught-ventilation-d_122.html
“Australia power company Enviro-mission ltd. hopes to build a 1,000
meter (3,300 feet) solar tower in south west new South Wales state, a
structure that would be more than twice the height of Malaysia's
Petron's Towers, the world's tallest building. The plant having seven
kilometer roof diameter and 1 km chimney height, and a 3 meter
distance at outer periphery and 25 m distance at inner periphery of
solar collector roof. And which it allows to sucked hot air through 32
turbines which generate power 24 hrs a day having output expected to
650 GW/yrs.” (that’s only an average of 74.2 MW/hr because that sun
keeps going up and down and otherwise remains effectively kaput for
nearly 60% of the time)
Of course on Venus there’s hardly any solar influx reaching the
surface, therefore no need of having to bother with any surrounding
glass roofed solar collector, because just collecting surface thermal
energy off the ground itself (day or night) that’s perpetually heated
from within to 20.5 w/m2 (plus given whatever geothermal vents with
their added [z] worth of compressibility should have to offer) applied
along with its vertical 10 K/km and 4.1 bar/km differentials should
literally blow our renewable energy socks off.
As long as the compressible gas flow of that extremely high density
and surface heated medium is kept routed within the vertical up-draft
chimney, there’s simply no way for it to equalize until it exits out
the top, such as venting out through a very large diameter radial
turbine as it suddenly cools and expands. In other words, this kind
of natural resource is not an insignificant amount of renewable energy
that can be easily scaled to suit.
Add a good geothermal surface vent as providing a serious increase of
thermal differential, as well as having a terrific gas density volume
that should include the S8 vapor worth 300 kg/m3, plus whatever
initial surface exit velocity as the ultimate kicker, whereas lo and
behold you’ve got as much renewable energy (by day or night) as you
could possibly want. Remember that a km tall updraft tower on Venus
is surrounded by a toasty surface that’s offering 20.5 w/m2 of
geothermal energy in addition to whatever gaseous vent(s) that
shouldn’t be hard to find on such a geologically active planet like
Venus, could represent more substantial energy than anyone is prepared
to deal with..
Imagine what a dysfunctional BP wellhead BOP on Venus could be putting
out, as a geothermally hot and fast geyser discharge of toxic oily
sulfur and extremely dense gasses (radioactive to boot) at <12 Venus
tonnes/sec (13 Earth tonnes/sec) and just as likely more than
scorching hot at <400 K above those surface ambient temperatures of
735 K. A medium geothermal gaseous vent on Venus could easily spew <4
m3/sec at 1024 kg (3,686 t/hr) and <1035 K that’s exiting at <200 bar,
and no way would you want to be caught downwind from any of that power
turbine discharge. Is there any reason(s) to think Venus doesn’t have
such geothermal vents?
In order for that planet to sustain its heavy atmosphere that’s least
dense on top and otherwise unprotected from those terrific solar
winds, by rights this should demand venting perhaps at least 100
tonnes/sec, because most of whatever composites of mineral and water
vapors that comes out (just like right here on Earth) doesn’t leave
the planet. Perhaps at most 10% gets lost to space, as opposed to
Earth losing only a tonne/sec (mostly helium and hydrogen).
Brad Guth
Has Venus got intelligent other life? (compared to Earth, how hard
could that possibly be?)
Intelligent other life need not be as socially dysfunctional, faith-
based voodoo or as radio/microwave capable as us in order to count,
such as 99.9% of Earth’s human intelligence took place as of prior to
our having radio, and perhaps even including before having airships of
various kinds. Such other life can simply be evolved differently
(intellectually ahead or technically far behind us), as well as those
created via directed panspermia or as having been directly deployed by
whatever visiting ETs (exactly as we’d be doing), except along with
instructions as to avoid Earth interactions at all cost, as having
pretty much exactly the same precautionary policy as if we had
mastered similar interplanetary/interstellar travel capability, would
suggest while remaining nearby as stealth or otherwise hidden from
whatever weird species shouldn’t be all that difficult, especially if
the other nearby populated planet were as dumbfounded heathen, voodoo
satanic and otherwise socially/politically dysfunctional as Earth,
might seem rather obvious to not interact with such screwed up and
thus irrational creatures.
This cloaked form of neighborly deception would be the easiest to
enforce if a few of our trained spooks/moles could be established on
that heathen populated planet(Earth), as infiltrated into positions of
authority just in case certain public perception damage-controls
needed to be implemented, as well as for keeping those silly and
highly superstitious heathens as preoccupied with matters of their
religions intolerance of one another, plus if need be causing bogus
and/or false flagged wars, greed and hording and especially focused
upon near anything other than accomplishing off-world matters that
could interfere with our own operations.
Ask yourself and of others that usually claim knowing everything;
Compared to Earth, what essential and/or raw elements and energy
doesn’t the planet Venus have to offer? (best available science can’t
seem to exclude anything, so perhaps Venus is within reason offering
similar elements and even those somewhat chemically and geologically
similar to early Earth in more ways than any other planet or moon)
With a crust thickness of perhaps 5<20 km that’s roughly as little as
half that of Earth (5 km in deep ocean basins <70 km under some
mountains), and Venus being somewhat more geologically active, as well
as having a higher percentage of mantel plus more than its fair share
of iron than Earth, and if there’s anything solid under its thin
lithosphere/crust, are such raw elements going to be harder or easier
to come by?
Since most terrestrial hydrocarbons are extensively not made from once
living fossils, then why shouldn’t Venus have its fair share of those
hydrocarbons?
Radioactive elements starting with Thorium (Th232) are certainly not
unique to Earth. In fact they are relatively common place, and thus
should also exist on Venus to the same or logically greater extent.
From what can be seen and easily enough interpreted, it seems the
planet Venus has been at least in one mountainous location utilized by
others (if not by its own intelligent kind), and I’m still not having
to deductively interpret anything into those SAR obtained images of 36
confirming looks or radar scans per composite pixel, that isn’t of
some real part of whatever’s actually there to behold.
There’s never any argument from myself that Venus is seriously too hot
and nasty for us as naked humans, but that doesn’t exclude whatever
reasonably intelligent individuals could accomplish in spite of all
that pressure, toxic atmosphere and geothermal heat. For all we know
there could actually be a Venusian human species that’s on average
smarter than Einstein, though not that most any 5th grader wouldn’t be
smart enough to survive Venus, because surviving upon such a planet
with suitable technology and unlimited local resources simply isn’t
rocket science.
If a planet nearly the size of Earth and most likely as loaded with
similar elements, plus having loads of its own renewable energy to
burn (so to speak), and even hosting at least 500 teratonnes of easily
accessible water, if it were discovered as parked within a nearby
orbit that was merely 100 fold lunar distant from us, seems most of
our mainstream silly naysay kind of parrot mindsets still wouldn't
bother to interpret a damn thing, no matters how proof-positive or
otherwise SAR pixel trustworthy those surface images were made of
(just like all of our ARPA/DARPA and NASA/Apollo missions never once
noticed or much less had accomplished any one of their unfiltered
Kodak moments from orbit or from its physically dark surface that ever
included the nearby planet Venus, and yet try to go figure this
because, supposedly they all saw those Muslim WMD as though clear and
plain as day).
In spite of all the usual mainstream gauntlet of systematic
obfuscation, naysay and denial as their flack, here’s some of my
further refinements or investigative polishing of those Venus airship
numbers, as to what a composite rigid airship has to offer, along with
some weird fun stuff that makes our doing Venus even more interesting
for those few of us with “the right stuff”.
The local sport of Extreme Sky Diving on Venus; Starting from 75 km
you can safely body-surf your way to the ground without a parachute.
(WARNING) this extreme sport is not an approved activity for naked or
otherwise dumbfounded humans, however, include a suitably protective
suit and if need be inflate a small balloon instead of a parachute,
whereas lo and behold you can float yourself above that toasty surface
indefinitely. Given a suitable combination or hybrid inflated
parachute and you’ve got the best threesome of sky-diving, hang
gliding and ballooning worlds.
Obviously our human physiology can’t so quickly adjust to that extent
of pressure change within any few hours or possibly days worth of any
sky-diving form of atmospheric buoyancy, density and reduced gravity
controlled descent, although it’s just given as an example of the
practical aspects of peer accepted physics that are available to
benefit most anything else you’d care to accomplish without having to
directly expose your frail body to such sudden pressure/temperature
extremes, not to mention you’d need assistance getting enough O2 w/o
ingesting too much CO2 or S8 (physiology wise the frail human body can
adjust to almost any pressure environment, although there are certain
other considerations of extremes that’ll require applied physics and
our best technology in order to master what the Venus environment has
to offer)
However, given a few months to gradually adjust our physiology to
accepting the average 94~96 bar pressure seems more than doable, at
least manageable enough to start off with, whereas shifting +/- 1 km
is by itself a +/- 4.1 bar variation that could remain problematic
unless the extensive use of breathing 99% hydrogen and 1% O2 is what
makes that transition easier to cope with. (should be little if any
need for nitrogen)
VENUS got BUOYANCY:
“Any object, wholly or partially immersed in a fluid, is buoyed up by
a force equal to the weight of the fluid displaced by the object.” –
Archimedes of Syracuse
Of course China probably knew of this nifty buoyancy physics as of at
least 12,000 BP, or roughly as of when out of nowhere those rather
unusual little Dropa/Dzopa wizards showed up. However, it seems that
most of our devoted mainstreamers still haven’t got a clue.
This buoyancy usage thing about Venus is truly something extra special
to appreciate, considering its unusually thick atmosphere that yields
65 kg/m3, plus its 0.905 gravity puts a whole new spin or
interpretation as to those geothermal upwelling vents that can spew
various mineral saturated vapors, as well as brines and those
superheated gasses almost like a fire hose or water cannon shoots its
stream of water here on Earth. This could make for some interesting
fluid arch like displays that would boggle the average parrot mindset
that normally can’t think outside their terrestrial K-12 mainstream
box. In other words, of what comes out of a Venus geyser doesn’t have
to be solids of mud or lava in order to become visible to radar
imaging that has given us the most truth-worthy pixels thus far, as to
indicating what Venus has to offer.
Try hard to also remember that for every –1 km below the given average
elevation picks up another 4.1 bar (roughly 60 psi and at least 2.2
extra kg/m3 buoyancy) plus there’s another thermal increase of 10+ K
worth of upwelling geothermal heat that’s continually radiated at 20.5
w/m2 from the toasty ground up, and because the pressure is not only
greater but also the density of that mostly CO2 atmosphere further
compresses towards becoming a supercritical fluid, unlike the density
of ocean water that hardly compresses or changes its liquid density by
more than 0.466% at 96 bar (less affected at higher temperatures
unless it’s pressure phase shifting to/from vapor).
There’s roughly a 14 km difference between the highest and lowest
surface elevations of +10.8 and –3.2 km. This makes the likely
maximum surface bottom pressure of 106 bar (+/- a few percent
depending on day or night), and perhaps worth <74 kg/m3 buoyancy
within all that hot CO2 plus elements of S8/sulfur vapor taken into
account. Of course the per kg adjusted mass of anything inert,
reactive or living as us humans from Earth is only worth 0.905 kg on
Venus, so that’s another one that’s better (not worse).
For those unfamiliar with composite rigid airships (none of which
exist on Earth) is common place hubris (as a traditional mix of
arrogance, stupidity and belligerency that are each Ig Nobel Prize
worthy), because most faith-based naysayers as well as pretend-
Atheists are technically bogus as well as expertise dysfunctionals
that simply can’t think outside of their K-12 indoctrinated mindset.
The notions of composite rigid airship usage is actually providing a
seriously darn good form of Venus transportation for locals, ETs or
us, that’s perfectly energy efficient and substantial payload hauling
capable. Even potentially cruising above them thick acidic clouds
isn’t technically insurmountable, although extremely bumpy and testy
getting there and safely back down again may be pushing that modified
airship envelope. As the airship ascends it gets tonnes lighter
because of less H2 pressure required and the amount of its propulsion
fuel consumed could easily drop 100<1000 tonnes (depending on mass and
drag) before reaching 75 km.
There are a number of observationology indications of large airships
(at least a couple seem parked on that complex tarmac), although it’s
fair to be calling it a highly subjective interpretation unless you’d
care to otherwise explain away all those other items that seem as
though perfectly unnatural, as instead interpreting those of merely
unusual geology formations that exist nowhere else seems even more
subjective. As otherwise it makes for perfectly logical as well as
common/rational sense for Venusians or whatever ETs (including us) to
have such rigid composite airships for most any application, because
technically it’s quite doable and it’s not even rocket science.
Do the airship buoyancy math yourself, and see how much you can manage
to safely float in that toasty atmospheric soup (except avoiding those
upper nighttime clouds where it gets seriously windy and cryogenic).
With some work remaining, here’s my latest shot at it, along with
revisions because I’ve made a few of those pesky mistakes, such as by
not having accounted for the 537 tonne mass of hydrogen at the
necessary pressure and temperature. Being conservative, I’ve also
given this composite rigid airship the inert/dry mass of 190 Venus
tonnes (210 Earth tonnes which is 62% heavier than LZ129, though I’d
doubt we’d need to add more than 33% to its inert mass once everything
is taken into account).
http://www.peacesoftware.de/einigewerte/co2_e.html
A million m3 = 65,000,000 kg (65,000 tonnes) that you can push around
by hand, however LZ129 (Hindenburg at 130 Earth tonnes of dry/inert
mass) held <211,890 m3 of hydrogen which gave a gross terrestrial
payload of 112.1 tonnes to work with, and if that same volume of gas
were utilized on Venus using a substantially robust (roughly 162%
inert heavier) composite rigid airship would provide <13,050 Venus
tonnes of payload (at 0.905 gravity is the same as hauling 14,420
Earth tonnes), and that’s like hauling 62 fully loaded 787-8s at 210
Venus tonnes each, and using perhaps as little as 1024 KW to move that
Venus Hindenburg of 727 tonnes plus its 13,050 tonne payload (13,777
Venus gross tonnage) along at 25 m/sec (90 km/hr), because the
friction isn’t going to be all that great. Even if it took four times
as much energy (4096 KW), that’s no big deal.
Also consider that Venus aerodynamics is going to act as though it
were nearly hydrodynamic, thus making for a great deal of improved
airfoil and/or propulsion control from using relatively small area
control surfaces and ducted thrusters. My advice is that you be a
good topic contributing sport and see if you can find those same Venus
airships as I have (at least one of them I’ve interpreted as easily
packing well over 1e6 m3 of hydrogen), or offer some airship research
that could be applied to that toasty Venus environment.
Brad Guth
I can still say with perfectly honest convictions, there's multiple
deductive and perfectly logical reasons as to interpret that Venus has
had intelligent other life, and subsequently you and most faith-based
mindset others must proceed to do everything possible in order to
disqualify and/or to banish the thought.
Humans of Earth are worth roughly 1 ppm of this complex global
biodiversity, and the other 99.9999% of Earth’s biodiversity still
does not have the slightest capability of radio. Even 99.9% of modern
human intelligence took place before we had mastered radio
sufficiently capable of being off-world detected, so having radio
capability is hardly an argument of any requirement for off-world
intelligence.
Besides that rather interesting fluid arch that shouldn’t exist (but
it does because there’s simply no other viable explanation), along
with multiple other nearby considerations that look entirely
unnatural, you know what else is seriously darn interesting; there's
most likely acidic hydrocarbons on Venus (similar to BP’s oily
sulfur), and as you know it's quite easy to process out whatever
sulfurs and most anything else, especially easy when there’s an
unlimited local supply of renewable energy to work with.
Take another closer look-see at what those reservoirs contain, as
something very SAR signal absorbing. Can those 36 confirming radar
signals or scans per composite pixel so easily lie to us? (I really
don’t think so)
Brad Guth
Those pesky volcanic gasses are perking out volumes just about
everywhere on Venus, and many of those active geothermal vents don’t
stop migrating their discharge vertical until the thermodynamics and
buoyancy equalizes within those cool acidic clouds.
The hot rock (presumably as mostly basalt) and the much hotter
interior of Venus that is comprised extensively of hydrogen and always
some if not a lot of O2, plus there’s likely helium and most any other
known gas you’d care to name, except that each of those stored at
something far greater than 100 bar.
The crust/outer-lithosphere of Venus is still in places actively
forming and thereby keeping the flow of complex gasses and those raw
elements active, whereas under the right conditions those elements
bind and can subsequently emerge as various mineral, brines, salts or
acidic forms of H2O packing along any number of other complex vapors
and near solid compositions of various elements, such as including CO,
CO2 and of course always a few nifty metallic elements plus always
loads of good old sulfuric acid (h2so4), as well as just contributing
H2O2 plus those raw vapors of S8 and of course as H2S. Exiting the
surface at >100 bar and <300 K above the local atmospheric pressure
and temperature, whereas there could be at least 25,000 ppm h2 and
<250,000 ppm O2 trapped within such basalt, geode pockets and layers
of all that geothermally made hot basalt, and then of course there’s
actual lava that should offer a scorching treasure trove of wonderful
stuff.
Most of every conceivable element that Earth and our moon/Selene has
to offer should be easily available and in terrific volumes from
Venus. This is not to say that raw ore should be shipped back to
Earth, but instead finished products and/or 100% pure alloys that are
becoming harder or too spendy to obtain here on Earth should also be
the case.
Is there any critical element that Venus does not have?
David Staup
"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8ade0fa8-f26c-4fe2...@h37g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
hey goofy,
pardon me for interrupting your discourse (with YOURSELF) here, but aren't
you forgetting something???? don't the ET's of venus already have a claim
on all those resources? what are you gonna do about that,... give them
blankets infected with smallpox?
HVAC
"David Staup" <dst...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:i6makp$9lp$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> hey goofy,
> pardon me for interrupting your discourse (with YOURSELF) here, but aren't
> you forgetting something???? don't the ET's of venus already have a claim
> on all those resources? what are you gonna do about that,... give them
> blankets infected with smallpox?
I say we make a treaty with em, and send
then to a Venusiun reservation.
It is our manifest destiny to colonize the solar
system and then the galaxy.
Hoo-Ra !
--
Heisenberg may have slept here.
Saul Levy
Let's SEND HIM AIRWAY EXPRESS!
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Then they can DEAL WITH HIM PERSONALLY!
Saul Levy
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:03:52 -0500, "David Staup"
<dst...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Is there any critical element that Venus does not have?
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
Brad Guth
The planet Venus is seemingly a very newish kind of geologically made
of hot and nasty terrain that’s lethal to us (at least as to naked
humans that are too dumbfounded to figure anything out), which also
seems that it’s no older than Sirius(B). As naked humans that have
only somewhat recently adapted ourselves to a very wet and stormy as
well as so often too hot or too cold kind of a planet that’s still
thawing out from the last ice-age, as for accommodating the 1 ppm
worth of our global biodiversity that we represent hasn’t been all
that easy. However, with basic survival instincts and minimal
intelligence (K-5 being sufficient), along with some of our best
applied technology and a few physiological adaptations, surviving near
anything is technically possible. It gets even a whole lot better
when there’s unlimited local energy and no apparent shortages of
minerals or even any lack of water to work with.
Adjusting to the local atmospheric pressure and the surrounding heat
is not something entirely insurmountable, although some physiological
compromises will likely persist, such as represented by a one km
change in elevation represents a 60 psi differential that needs to be
managed so that your ears, eyes and private parts don’t pop in or
out. However, there really shouldn’t be anything that would forbid
our getting used to that extremely thick and toasty atmosphere that’s
mostly geothermally heated from the bottom up, just like here on Earth
where those onsite active lava inspections require a thermally
protective suit and some common sense breathing assistance.
However, it seems all the usual naysayers are actually suggesting the
very worse on behalf of their mainstream status quo, such as insisting
that any 225 meter resolution image of Earth (using that exact same
radar imaging) simply couldn't be interpreted as to suggest
intelligent life ever existed. I find this pretentious mindset as odd
and incredibly bogus at the same time, although it’s mainstream
accepted policy to always reject any notions of other intelligent
life, other than here on Earth where fewer than 0.1% of us are
actually intelligent. Apparently ETs (regardless of their evolution
and many other possible considerations) always have to be of something
worse off than nasty heathens on Earth.
It seems the perpetual naysayers (usually pretend-Atheists as stealth
bible thumpers of the politically correct ZNR kind) fail to get the
greater gist of this and similar topics, at least not nearly as
proficient as they systematically topic/author stalk and proceed with
all their collective might to naysay, traumatize and/or terminate the
creditability of others, especially as pertaining to any ET or truth/
revision risky topics (perhaps because Eden/Earth is still the one and
only center of their inert eye-candy universe that their white/albino
God approves of).
As to whatever ETs already here, as such are not likely going to stand
out from the rest of us. Contemplate this; If we eventually get our
space travel act together (about the time we’ve run ourselves out of
affordable hydrocarbon fuel and a few other essential elements) and
subsequently came upon and otherwise snuck up on a populated planet or
whatever moon of sufficiently complex biodiversity, and say that you
were onboard this mission where these relatively primitive as well as
weird inhabitants were subsequently discovered as acting strangely
voodoo superstitious and/or religious cult/satanic heathen like, as
well as openly blood-thirsty and otherwise at various real and false
perpetrated wars with one another (including putting those of their
own dark-skinned kind on a stick for whatever faith-based PR stunt),
as such would you allow yourself or any part of your mission from
Earth to become directly noticed by or much less captured and
systematically dissected? (I think not, at least not on my watch)
If for whatever reasons you had been captured by such heathen ETs as
the inhabitants of another world or moon , wouldn't you expect your
fellow crew and their advanced technology to do whatever it takes for
getting yourself back away from those heathens that clearly do not
have your best interest at heart, as well as performing subsequent
damage-control in order to discredit whatever evidence of our ever
bring there? (why of course we would)
On the other hand, if actual ETs have their interstellar travel
capability nailed and we don’t, then it stands to perfectly good
reason that keeping their technology and themselves pretty much out of
our grip would be a rather basic failsafe policy, as a formality that
shouldn’t be all that insurmountable, especially considering the
likely vast disparity in technology and their better than Einstein
like smarts ahead of us would represent too much advanced technology
overload.
However, those having evolved or having been intentionally placed on
Venus could be well below our level of intelligence, and not that
their adapted physiology and intellect would have to be all that
smarter than a 5th grader in order to manage.
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google Document info on Venus:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
Infecting the natives with something knowingly lethal is a proven
faith-based tactic that I would never allow. Making some ethical
trades or worthy exchanges seems more likely to get us whatever we
want. It only gets ugly if it turns out that we have nothing they
want, in which case we accuse them of hiding WMD, and then we invade
them with everything we can muster (including the use of our WMD).
~ BG
Brad Guth
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Infecting the native locals with something knowingly lethal is a
proven faith-based tactic that I would never allow. Making some
ethical trades or worthy exchanges seems more likely to get us
whatever we want. It only gets ugly if it turns out that we have
nothing they want, in which case we accuse them of hiding WMD, and
then we invade them with everything we can muster (including the use
of our WMD).
I'm certain we could find enough to trade or exchange that ETs would
at least find extremely laughable and thus entertaining. We have
several versions of faith-based voodoo books that include lots of
nifty doom and gloom. (we might consider trading them our contributor
Warhol for a few thousand tonnes of 99.9% pure plutonium plus a few
other tonnes of pure radium that I'm sure they'd be really glad to get
rid of)
~ BG
Saul Levy
Must be one of them.
Saul Levy
Saul Levy
GLOW IN THE DARK ATOMS, GOOFY?
The ETs WOULD NEVER GET RID OF THEM NO MORE THAN PRE-HUMAN CULTURES
WOULD GET RID OF THEIR MONEY STONES!
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You are an INSANE IDIOT!
Saul Levy
Brad Guth
At least technically speaking, most items out there and fending for
themselves either have water/ice or at least the molecular makings of
water/ice, such as even our naked and seemingly crystal dry moon
that's so physically dark supposedly has <50 ppm, which is 36.8e12
tonnes within, plus whatever billions of raw ice tonnage that's
supposedly hidden within its polar craters of supposedly kept at less
than 25 K temperature.
Those acidic clouds and hazy portions of the of Venus atmosphere
(roughly situated between 40 km to 70 km) offers a 30 km thickness of
worthy h2o saturation to work with whatever's held as acidic water
within 1.4e19 m3. So it's not hard to deductively interpret as to how
much h2o should be available, along with obviously more of the same on
the way.
If the average cloud and haze density were accepted as a conservative .
6 kg/m3, and if only 25% of that density were h2o is worth 2100e12
tonnes, or even half that amount is still 1050e12 tonnes. More likely
the average density is actually closer to .75 kg/m3, and their water
saturation closer to 33%, but either way you should get the message
loud and clear, that Venus has always had loads of water to burn (so
to speak).
Try to remember that the local gravity and at such altitude is only
worth 0.9, so that a molecular kg of water is only worth 900 Venus
grams, as well as most everything else floats better due to the
physics of buoyancy.
Besides the easily accessible 512<1024 teratonnes of water within them
acidic clouds of Venus, there's also a good many signs of complex
intelligent life to be found, as well as there’s life on/within Earth
that’s even primitive enough to be a billion years older than any of
our unrelated humanoid genetics, as well as still surviving as they
always have where there's extremely high pressure (much greater then
Venus), surviving within their surrounding habitats of extremely low
to nearly zilch amounts of O2 plus even managing where it's damn hot,
and that’s life without any direct benefit of solar photons.
At least while on Venus your frail DNA/RNA of complex genetics are
given a hundred fold better shield from local, solar and cosmic
radiation of the bad kind, as well as always at least ten fold better
protected from being whacked by meteors or asteroid rocks.
Brad Guth / Blog and Google document pages:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
Venus got minerals and hydrocarbons: (sure thing, as why the hell
shouldn’t an Earth like planet that’s so nearby offer similar
elements)
Mining operations and whatever logistics on Venus becomes a breeze
when you’ve got heavy lift composite rigid airships and unlimited
kinds of local energy at your disposal. Unlike Earth, Venus isn’t
running out of hardly anything that matters, nor is its environment
artificially polluted.
A rigid composite airship for Venus would certainly be more complex
than anything we’ve put to work here on Earth, although the simplicity
of a composite shell that’s made as tough and nicely insulated and
otherwise as acid proof as need be, really isn’t all that hard to
master, at least it’s not an issue in Airship Engineering–101. Using
renewable h2o2 plus whatever hydrocarbon synfuel along with the HTP
also isn’t any great secret nor all that hard to accidentally stumble
upon via random trial and error, although a nuclear powered craft
might be a somewhat unexpected discovery. Therefore giving the 1e6 m3
of an H2 displaced buoyancy capable airship as much ducted fan thrust
as needed isn’t an insurmountable problem, and especially if we’re
using an 8:1 L/W ratio means that practical cruising speeds of 50 m/
sec shouldn’t be hard to muster, as well as obtaining <75 m/sec, or a
power assisted dive <100 m/sec. There’s certainly no fuel payload
limitations for safely operating below them nasty clouds, whereas
flying below 25 km should remain relatively clear and calm.
A composite rigid airship that’s properly configured at a somewhat
reduced mass and given greater speed for cruising above those
nighttime cryogenic clouds at <200 m/sec at maximum altitude (65+ km)
seems entirely doable. This airship application would obviously be a
somewhat payload limited and perhaps even as a mostly robotic flown
craft, but it certainly could be accomplished for operating at <75 km
(possibly a little higher by day) and otherwise flown as low as 60 km
in order to remain well above the atmospheric vortex of either pole.
Btw; it’s almost as though the toasty surface geology of Venus that’s
orbiting past us within 100 LD every 19 months, has long been
considered by worthy geologists as roughly having the same evolved
250<300e6 year age as Sirius(B), so by rights there should be lots of
newish elements to easily pick from. Not to worry that our Earth is
running itself more than a little hydrocarbon short, as well as a few
too many other nifty elements that are either in short supply or
measurably depleted, as well as much of everything else getting
spendy, polluted and more thawed out by the year. So perhaps
exploring and occupying Venus for all its worth can wait another
century, as similar to ignoring whatever our naked moon/Selene has to
offer (inside, outside or even that of utilizing its nifty L1),
because we wouldn’t want to upset the mostly GOP Semitic approved
mainstream status quo of local greed, hording and profiteering w/o
remorse that some of us lucky ones have going for ourselves,
regardless of how polluted, stormier and hotter Earth gets isn’t their
problem.
Saul Levy
No one I can see.
STOP BELIEVING ANYTHING PIGSHIT SAYS! HE IS AN IDIOT!
SO ARE YOU!
Saul Levy
Saul Levy
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
FUCK OFF IDIOT!
Saul Levy
Brad Guth
I’ve added some context to this typical reply:
On Jun 17, 10:02 am, Jeff Findley <jeff.find...@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote:
> Irrelevant. Humans can't operate at the sort of pressures *and*
> temperatures found on the surface of Venus. It's hot enough to melt
> lead. Human DNA would literally cook.
99% H2 and 1% O2 is good to breath (way better than N2/O2). Getting
rid of heat within that thick atmospheric soup is a no-brainer, and
whatever the pressure is another non issue as long as it not rapidly
changing.
> If this were true, we'd have people on the sea floor dealing with the
> current disaster in the Gulf. At best, you're talking about something
> that's not been perfected yet. At worst, you're talking science
> fiction.
Deep sea at 150 bar via 99.5% hydrogen and 0.5% O2 is technically
doable, as long as you don't make sudden pressure changes. Proof is
swimming all around at those depths, and much greater. DNA and cells
do not care about pressure. Temperature that's too hot or too cold is
easy enough to manage.
Existing technology can easily deal with temperature.
> B.S. Where do you get the power? And before you say Venus is hot,
> we'll use the energy from the heat, you've got to remember your
> thermodynamics. You can only get energy out of heat if there is a
> significant temperature gradient. Where are you going to find that on
> Venus? The fracking atmosphere is so dense temperatures don't vary much
> on the surface.
For just one example of easily accessible local energy; haven’t you
ever heard of the chimney or stack effect. On Venus you get an
unlimited as well as fully renewable pressure differential of 4.1 bar/
km, as well as a thermal differential of 10 K/km. Do the math on what
each m3/sec of 65 kg/m3 moving vertical, as having a pressure
differential of 60 psi and a 10 K thermal differential per km to work
with.
Thermal insulation of R-1024/meter really isn't hard to accomplish, so
how much applied energy is really required for cooling when having a
thermal coefficient of .0009765?
> The temperature gradient from the outside to the inside would be so high
> that it will find paths to leak heat. This is similar to trying to keep
> LH2 cold in LEO. We're close, but in that case we've got a convenient
> hard vacuum that makes MLI work very well. Absent that hard vacuum, MLI
> doesn't work worth squat when the temperature gradient is high.
The toasty dry CO2 of Venus makes for an extremely leak-proof
consideration, especially since there really doesn't have to be a
pressure differential. Ever heard of basalt gibers and microballoons,
or a composite of milliballoons and microballoons between layers of
oven-wrap?
Only the most incompetent or stupid/dysfunctional sorts of electronics
and/or their dumbfounded applied sorts of electromechanical stuff
melts. Why would anyone want to take WalMart (made in China) crap to
Venus?
> You might as well be talking how many fairies you can stick on the head
> of a pin. No one has yet to design and build an entire ship which will
> work on Venus and keep the inside of it at pressures and temperatures
> which won't kill a human. It's the *systems engineering* that's the
> hard thing here.
I've never suggested it would be easy. Are you up for the challenge?
A composite rigid airship can easily accommodate as many thousand
tonnes of working payload as you like, plus haul and accommodate as
much crew that’s well insulated and as nicely air conditioned cabin
space as technology permits.
Venus offers unlimited renewable energy, as well as unlimited raw
elements and even water (easily 500+ teratonnes in them acidic
clouds). In other words, what exactly is Venus missing?
> Again, I call b.s. on this. How are you going to generate the enormous
> amounts of electricity on Venus that would allow you to run the enormous
> refrigeration systems you're going to need?
For an example of local energy on Venus; On average the surface is
upwelling 20.5 watts/m2, and that’s only worth 73,800 joules/m2, so
for the moment you can simply disregard that consideration.
Each m3 of that mostly CO2 that's heated from the bottom up (always
migrates from hot to cold) represents enormous energy as it migrates
upwards though a vertical tube, chimney or cooling tower if you like.
By way of scaling to suit, move as many m3/sec as you like by creating
as large of intake diameter and as tall of cooling tower as the local
energy demand requires. Simply specify how many megawatts or
gigawatts per unit that you’d like to start off with?
This available energy I speak of doesn't even involve utilizing any of
those fairly common geothermal vents that'll provide considerable
added volumes of increased density as well as at good pressure, plus
its initial velocity of perhaps <50 m/sec and always the terrific
thermal differential considerations (<300 K above surface atmospheric
ambient).
I suppose all of that natural energy that’s essentially renewable can
be ignored.
Brad Guth
It's a wonder Usenet/newsgroups is even still alive and kicking as a
free press or public forum of global discussions, research and
publishing, especially when there are so many here intent upon topic/
author stalking, with their primary objective or intent being that of
disrupting and/or shutting this wild thing down, in that it’s truly
amazing the Google Groups and Usenet/newsgroups has gotten this far.
I’m absolutely certain that Hitler and his Zionist puppet-masters
would never have allowed such a public Usenet of newsgroups in the
first place.
Usenet/newsgroups plus many of the private Google Groups being so
mainstream steadfast as naysay and/or obfuscating about the planet
Venus is simply worse than childish, and otherwise proof that I’ve
been more right than not for more than a decade. Just because
yourself or others have been telling you exactly what, how and when to
think can’t be bothered to interpret images of whatever Venus has to
offer, nor having put any laws of physics to good use, or having
managed to connect any research dots of our best available science, is
no reason to insist that others outside the status-quo box can’t
appreciate what total slackers and/or retards our NASA and their vast
army of public funded parrots and brown-nosed clowns is all about.
The planet Venus is seemingly a very newish kind of geologically
that’s made of hot and nasty terrain that’s lethal to us (at least
lethal to naked humans that are too snookered and dumbfounded to
figure anything out), which also seems that it’s no older than
Sirius(B). As naked humans that have only somewhat recently adapted
ourselves to a very wet and stormy as well as so often too hot or too
cold kind of a planet that’s still thawing out from the last ice-age
this planet w/moon will ever see, as for accommodating the 1 ppm worth
of our global biodiversity that we represent hasn’t been all that
easy. However, with basic survival instincts and minimal intelligence
(K-5 being sufficient), along with some of our best applied technology
and a few physiological adaptations, surviving near anything is
technically possible. It gets even a whole lot better when there’s
unlimited local energy and no apparent shortages of minerals or even
any lack of water to work with.
Adjusting to that local atmospheric pressure and the surrounding heat
is not something entirely insurmountable, although some physiological
compromises will likely persist, such as represented by a one km
change in elevation represents a 60 psi differential that needs to be
managed so that your ears, eyes and private parts don’t pop in or
out. However, there really shouldn’t be anything that would forbid
our getting used to that extremely thick and toasty atmosphere that’s
mostly geothermally heated from the bottom up, just like here on Earth
where those onsite active lava inspections require a thermally
protective suit and some common sense breathing assistance.
However, it seems we have all the usual naysayers that are actually
suggesting only the very worse on behalf of their mainstream status
quo, such as insisting that any 225 meter resolution image of Earth
(using that exact same radar imaging) simply couldn't be interpreted
as to suggest intelligent life ever existed. I find this pretentious
mindset of denial and naysay as odd and incredibly bogus at the same
time, although it’s mainstream accepted policy to always reject any
notions of other intelligent life, other than here on Earth where
fewer than 0.1% of us are actually intelligent enough to tie our own
shoelaces. Apparently ETs (regardless of their evolution and many
other possible considerations) always have to be of something worse
off than nasty heathens on Earth.
It seems the perpetual naysayers (usually pretend-Atheists as stealth
bible thumpers of their politically correct ZNR kind) fail to get the
greater gist of this and similar topics, at least not nearly as
proficiently as they systematically topic/author stalk and proceed
with all their collective might to naysay, traumatize and/or terminate
the creditability of others, especially as pertaining to any ETs or
truth/revision risky topics (perhaps because Eden/Earth is still the
one and only center of their inert eye-candy universe that their white/
albino Zionist God approves of).
Brad Guth
Carl Sagan on planet Venus:
Even though we’ve identified no two identical moons or planets thus
far, yet everything out there is pretty much made of the exact same
fundamental kinds of star stuff that produced our sun, moon/Selene,
Eden/Earth, Venus plus all those other nifty planets with their moons
and of course eventually responsible somewhere for having created the
complex genetic DNA/RNA that we call life, however Carl and most
others have so often systematically excluded forms of alternative
planetology and their often weird geological formations that are
likely incompatible with us naked humans, as well as their having
excluded alternative forms of subsequent Darwinism and/or whatever
natural or intelligent design forms of creation via random
happenstance and directed panspermia taking place, along with
subsequent evolution and/or tinkering as always having been limited as
to mostly those natural kinds of random happenstance and natural
selection as of long before whatever intelligent design got smart
enough.
It seems Carl Sagan and others have been especially ET naysay, by
systematically rejecting and/or obfuscating as to perfectly viable
means, such as by their having excluded intelligent design (that’s
similar to ignoring Monsanto and many other active forms of advanced
biotechnology and genetic engineering that’s nowadays relatively
common place, especially behind closed doors), and otherwise the vast
majority of folks right here in Google Usenet/newsgroups that tend to
automatically banish, exclude and/or systematically obfuscate as to
any possible use whatsoever of technological applications for
sustaining off-world life as we know it, such as on behalf of even
sustaining us humans that could eventually manage to survive within
our moon/Selene or even manage to survive Venus a whole lot easier
than our having to survive Mars unless 99.9% of everything necessary
was brought along from Earth.
Like all other planets and moons discovered thus far, Venus isn’t
directly suitable for accommodating any human nudist populated kind of
Eden. The last time I’d checked, it seems even those Zubrin and Mook
suggested Mars missions are also physiologically restricted or
impaired by the extreme conditions demanding 100% spacesuit
applications, along with requiring a fairly extensive to/from
transport, a considerable fly-by-rocket lander and their well shielded
local habitats, plus having loads of essential supplies of just about
everything imaginable as derived from Earth in order to sustain even
the most robust kinds of life while situated on Mars, and of course
accommodating their extensive to/from trek is no simple task. Not so
oddly, the same rules of protecting our frail human body applies for
the extremely nearby planet Venus that’s known as a hot pressure
cooker instead of offering an extremely cold vacuum, with the
exception that accomplishing Venus there’s darn little if any energy,
water or minerals that need be imported from Earth. However, in
either case of doing Mars or Venus in person, life as we know it could
be accommodated via applied physics and using technology, perhaps
along with a little intelligent design for extra protection and/or
better adapted physiology in order to suit either the hot and pressure
or cold and vacuum environments.
Since the universe and our own local galactic realm is supposedly ten+
billions of years old, and it seems many galaxies have essentially
come and gone from the vicinity of our own Milky Way (with more
encounters on their way), along with local star/solar systems having
evolved and their powerful gravity interacting with one another,
whereas it seems unlikely that other kinds of sufficiently intelligent
life could not have emerged and managed to evolve well enough to get
from one planet or moon to another, and possibly even from one solar
system to another, exactly as we’d be doing if we only had the proper
incentives and obviously the knowledge and talent that wasn’t being so
often wasted on terrestrial matters of greed and corruption of power
and authority imposed over others.
JAXA / PLANET-C: Venus Climate Orbiter mission of Japan
“There aren't many space experts that can answer the question as to
why studying Venus was placed on hold. Evidence collected throughout
its mission by the Venus Express spacecraft, built and operated by the
European Space Agency (ESA), suggests that the planet may have once
been covered in oceans. It would also appear that its density is very
similar to Earth's, and also that the cores of the two planets are
very similar in composition. Given these data, why does our neighbor
look and feel so inhospitable to life. Discovering the changes that
led to this transformation is among the top objectives for the Venus
Climate Orbiter spacecraft.”
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with
it." / Max Planck
NASA Magellan:
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/magellan/
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/mission_page/VN_Magellan_page1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/magellan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magellan_probe
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google Document info on Venus:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
I'm not asking for all the stars and the moon, nor am I expecting of
others to see and/or interpret everything exactly as I do, as well as
I'm not talking about interpreting items of less than 225 meters
resolution. Everything I've suggested that isn't perfectly natural
has at least one or more of its dimensions at 225+ meters, and
otherwise I’ll always accept that 99.9% of that selected image area is
in fact perfectly natural terrain and erosion (just like here on
Earth, because 99.9% of Earth when viewed at that same resolution is
also going to be interpreted as perfectly natural).
However, Hagar’s intentionally spoof like image contributions do at
least manage to prove beyond any doubt that he and those of his fellow
redneck bikers has had the necessary image viewing and enlargement
expertise for quite some time.
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgfwg98t_218d43c2zcc
Hagar has even pointed everything out that's funny about the planet
Venus, except for locating my Venusian Waldo or any of his nifty stuff
that actually fairly obvious, even to a 5th grader.
How the hell did our redneck certified Hagar that supposedly knows as
much or more than Einstein, manage to entirely miss that rather large
and complex Waldo tarmac, the nearby Waldo community/township that’s
offering all those rational sorts of infrastructure, plus that rather
nifty Waldo bridge, them multiple rectangular rock quarry sites and
those substantial Waldo reservoirs (some of which clearly
interconnected and containing something of a brine or even conceivably
hydrocarbons)?
Most of us have no honest idea of interpreting terrain contour
mapping, much less from an aerial 2D format. However, you folks do
need to realize that the Magellan SAR imaging was looking down at
roughly 43 degrees, thus making for interpreting items as nearly 3D
worthy, as well as offering a GFI composite image of 36 confirming
looks per pixel (means there were few if any false pixels).
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
If only 0.00001% of any off-world obtained image of another planet or
moon were agreed upon as offering something other than perfectly
natural content (like those small rover tracks on Mars that lead to/
from the little robotic rover itself); what the hell does that mean
to our ZNR approved redneck naysayers like Hagar? (apparently it still
means there’s nothing on Mars that isn’t perfectly natural, because
our rovers and other deployed items don’t count)
There’s actually lots more to deductively interpret as being
potentially artificial and thus intelligent worthy about the planet
Venus, but unlike most others I don’t have to take 100% credit for
everything because, unlike the other 99.9% of Usenet/newsgroup
contributors, I’m willing to share as long as it continually benefits
each of us.
NASA Magellan:
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/magellan/
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/mission_page/VN_Magellan_page1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/magellan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magellan_probe
However, to the bogus likes of our perpetual naysay contributors like
Art Deco, “buzz”, HVAC and especially our resident rabbi Saul Levy
that wouldn’t get caught dead looking at my NASA/Magellan image of
Guth Venus, whereas 10+ years and there’s simply no amount of proof
positive nor sufficient physics, not even if an ET from Venus was
stuffed up each of their naysay butts wouldn’t count.
Eden (such as Earth) is pretty much anywhere there's a sufficient
local supply of renewable energy, along with all the necessary raw
elements to go along for the ride. The planet Venus more than
qualifies for those of us smarter than a 5th grader, but then that
apparently excludes 99.9999% of humanity to start off with, because
mainstream K-12s or even higher educated parrots (especially faith-
based indoctrinated parrots) are pretty much a lost cause and/or
useless outside of their naked mainstream approved Eden environment
that they can’t even seem to take care of.
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google Document info on Venus:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
If you'd care to get downright specific as to discussing and/or
investigative researching into something that truly matters, such as
how to adapt our frail genetics and physiology in order to survive
that toasty Venus environment, or perhaps as how to otherwise
intelligently protect ourselves from those other inhabitants as well
as obtaining whatever else your heart desired, then by all means let
us get with it.
You may need to further realize that every 19 months the planet Venus
gets to within 100 LD (lunar distance), and that it pretty much shows
the exact same face to us as it passes so nearby (as though it’s at
least somewhat tidal locked to Earth, whereas the odds of that
happening anywhere else in the universe of solar systems is truly
astronomical unless we’re talking of binary planets or some kind of
physical interaction that’s at least connected to sharing something
moon related).
~ BG
Saul Levy
THERE IS NOTHING YOU CLAIM VISIBLE, FOOL!
NOT UP MY BUTT, IDIOT!
But DEFINITELY UP YOUR BUTT!
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Saul Levy
Brad Guth
My asking as to “where’s Waldo” is just a silly way of pointing out
that it takes a keen eye and a positive/constructive willingness or
open mindset in order to deductively explore whatever a given
composite image has to offer. Problem is, most folks here are so
naysay that couldn’t find themselves in a mirror.
Unfortunately, the mainstream of peer review that’s in charge of
enforcing their very own cover-thy-but and status-quo or bust isn’t
buying into any of it, regardless of consequences. I suspect that the
majority of peer review individuals can not master the Rubik Cube or
much less identify Waldo out of any crowded or cluttered images unless
published as a eyecandy pop-up by LeapFrog. Apparently deductive
observationology is officially taboo, as is connecting dots of mostly
public funded research that might suggest interpretations other than
mainstream published results that K12s and even higher educated
parrots must accept as the one and only mainstream voodoo
interpretation.
As I’ve pointed out for more than the last decade, with honest
conviction and perfectly reasonable science that’s in most instances
peer accepted elsewhere and obviously interpreted within the regular
laws of physics, as well as my having published this context of my
interpretations a good thousand times before, whereas it seems our
nearest planet Venus is acting exactly as though it’s relatively
newish, or if you prefer that it’s getting renewed and still rather
geothermally active like no other planet in our solar system.
“Spacecraft Spots Active Volcanoes on Venus”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/10/science/space/10venus.html
This isn’t even by any means the first such discovery of recent
volcanic activity. However, notice the ESA Venus Express team
continually fails to publish hard numbers as to those actual
temperatures represented by whatever their IR images of false colors
suggest, and otherwise their primary instrument being the PFS is still
off-line, as supposedly inoperative or most likely nondisclosure
rated, so instead we get these extremely poor resolution images that
exclude the vast bulk of data by averaging out anything under several
km.
“Venus has more volcanoes than any other planet in the solar system.
Over 1600 major volcanoes or volcanic features are known”
There’s actually a number of public and private funded research
interpretations that reaffirm this active geothermal and volcanic
nature of Venus. Perhaps I might suggest that Venus is simply loaded
with more than it’s fair share of thorium, because it sure as hell
isn’t being tidal heated by it’s extremely slow retro-grade rotation
and lack of any moon, or even all that much solar roasted with such a
highly reflective and complex cloud cover that reflects and/or filters
out the vast majority of solar energy so that less than a few percent
reaches the surface. At any rate, the primary source of all that
thermodynamic energy that’s keeping its surface environment hot as
hell and on average radiating 20.5 w/m2, is clearly from within. “An
Alternate View of Venus” published by John Ackerman, had an entirely
similar interpretation to that of mine.
Venus energy plus VAC (ventilation and air conditioning)
In order for us frail and so often easily snookered and typically
mainstream dumbfounded humans to survive Venus takes energy, and
perhaps the more energy the better. For that we have nothing but good
news folks, whereas apparently I alone have deductively interpreted
the best available science, and having subsequently discovered and
objectively quantified that Venus actually has considerable loads of
energy to burn, so to speak.
Robert Stirling as having figured out, as well as nicely documented
and further demonstrated how to properly harvest such thermodynamic
differentials, as well as many others having since mastered the
Stirling closed cycle method, as well as their having applied this to
all sorts of worthy contraptions capable of converting thermal
differentials into torque that you can do pretty much whatever you
like with.
A commonly used example of geothermal or waste heat differentials
offering just 100°F is more than good enough, and this energy is
always best extracted from compressed gasses, but it can also apply to
liquids (especially nifty if the liquid/vapor phase shifts can be
tapped) as long as the methods applied have taken into account the
proper management of each thermal medium and it’s transfer of whatever
volumetric mass or density. For example the element of mercury in a
closed cycle might actually prove rather handy, although most solar
Stirling applications use hydrogen, and a few other research proven
examples have incorporated sodium.
+/- 100 F isn’t all that hard to come by for the planet Venus.
679 K = 763 F
735 K = 863 F
790 K = 963 K
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine
Depending on the conversion scale and its associated volume, as little
as 10 K or even 1 K thermal differential is technically doable,
especially when the mostly CO2 medium is virtually unlimited to start
with and subsequently doesn’t have to function as having to be
restricted within any closed Stirling cycle, and it gets a whole lot
better yet if you reconsider what having 4.1 bar/km differential to
work along with the 10 K/km of thermal differential that’s going
through a radial turbine as a method of extracting energy from the
local atmosphere, whereas this tube or stack/chimney creates its own
vertical wind. This method is sometimes referred to as the “chimney
affect” or “stack affect” that you’d think should be pretty hard for
our typical diehard physics wizards to ignore.
Of course those active geothermal vents of mostly CO2 that certainly
do exist on Venus, likely purge at <100 bar above ambient and
conceivably <50 m/sec, as such could easily represent <1635 K (2483
F), and that’s 900 K above the local average environment of 735 K.
There’s even a very good SAR imaged representation of a fluid arch
depicted within the area of Guth Venus (situated NW of those three
rather predominate rocks), whereas this could very well represent just
such a composite vent and/or stream-flow of CO2+S8+SO2+H2O+N2+CH4+NA
and likely a few other heavy elements (including basalt as lava
solids) that should exit the surface as serious fast, hot and heavy,
that of course fall back to the surface after having formed an
impressive fountain arch that’s similar to what a fire hose or cannon
stream of water might look like, except suggesting way more than a
thousand fold greater volume.
Lava/magma (liquid basalt) arch example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lava
So, in order to hold our next Winter Olympics on Venus (indoors of
course) is going to require considerable logistics plus a great deal
of energy and applied physics, and lucky for us that such energy
that’s perfectly local and renewable is not in short supply. In other
words, the local energy and resources needed for proper ventilation
and air conditioning a given volume of well insulated interior space
is not the least bit deficient, because there’s always those vertical
atmospheric offset differentials of 10 K/km plus offering 4.1 bar/km
that I suppose could be ignored wherever there’s a nearby geothermal
resource to easily tap.
In such a truly sweltering hot but otherwise considered as a crystal
dry surface environment, insulating that local habitat facility with
<R1024/m (a thermal coefficient of .0009765) is simply a no-brainer,
unless you only intend to prove beyond any doubt that your mental
dysfunctionality is a genetic disorder via inbreeding, and thereby not
your fault.
NASA Magellan:
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/magellan/
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/mission_page/VN_Magellan_page1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/magellan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magellan_probe
Brad Guth / Blog and Google document pages:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
Is everyone here still deathly afraid of the extremely nearby planet
Venus, perhaps because it's too Earth like?
You do realize that modern technology does exist that'll survive the
worse that planet has to offer (short of landing in an active volcano
or geothermal gas vent).
~ BG
Saul Levy
When are you leaving?
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
GOOD RIDDANCE!
Saul Levy
Brad Guth
Notice how after 10+ years and counting, there's still not one equal
or better digital enlargement of this very interesting site. It's
exactly as though the mostly Semites that are in charge are absolutely
scared to death of what this SAR obtained image depicts.
Brad Guth
>
> Notice how after 10+ years and counting, there's still not one equal
> or better digital enlargement of this very interesting site. It's
> exactly as though the mostly Semites that are in charge are absolutely
> scared to death of what this SAR obtained image depicts.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
If you simply can not accomplish a basic image enlargement or much
less interpret any part of it for yourself, then perhaps you need not
bother looking at any other astronomy or NASA science published
eyecandy, because if an SAR obtained image isn't trustworthy enough,
then nothing else is worth squat because it's simply not 10% as pixel
truth-worthy to begin with.
~ BG
Brad Guth
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Notice how after 10+ years and counting, there's still not one equal
or better digital enlargement of this very interesting site. It's
exactly as though the mostly Semite peers that have been in charge of
most everything are absolutely dumbfounded as well as scared to death
of what this SAR obtained image depicts.
If you simply can not bring yourself to accomplish a basic image
enlargement or much less interpret any part of it for yourself, then
perhaps you need not bother looking at any other astronomy or NASA
science published eyecandy, because if an SAR obtained image of 36
confirming scans per composite pixel isn't trustworthy enough, then
perhaps nothing else is worth squat because it's simply not 10% as
objectively pixel truth-worthy to begin with.
Just because Venus water is mostly to be found as saturated within
them acidic clouds is not really a logistical problem, for the same
reason our atmosphere is not a logistical problem for fish surviving
in our O2 depleted oceans, rivers and lakes here on Earth.
On the surface of Venus, as little as 0.5% O2 is biologically
manageable as is and without special technology applied, and even as
little as 0.05% (500 ppm) could rather easily become sufficient with
applied technology.
Replacing that toasty dry and thus inert CO2 saturated atmosphere with
good old H2 isn't hardly rocket science, nor is Venus the least bit h2
depleted or for that matter the least bit h2o deficient because, the
vast bulk of those clouds simply are not made of crystal dry dust.
Saul Levy
Saul Levy
Brad Guth
Meanwhile, back at the 1:1 radar image of 225 m/pixel resolution, that
so many supposedly wise folks can't seem to zoom/magnify or much less
properly enlarge and process for the best result; what exactly if
anything did you manage to interpret about the planet Venus from these
Magellan radar obtained images?
Myself, I'd have to say the planet Venus is likely as close to that of
an early Earth as we’re going to get. Besides all of the usual
natural considerations of landscape and reasonable erosion patterns
that should offer loads or deductive interpretations, as for
subjectively looking as though some patterns exist of being highly
suspicious for Venus having complex structures created by whatever
local or imported/visiting ETs, as for this image representing the
intelligent/rational content that’s depicting a rather substantial
complex community of rational infrastructure, even though there’s also
any number of those natural local surroundings of extremely
interesting features that seem geologically recent and/or active, and
by themselves worthy of our exploring for the pure sake of having
better geological and mineralogy knowledge of Venus.
In the raw 75 m/pixel format, as representing the best resolution of
what our Magellan mission accomplished, you've got merely 4 radar
looks per pixel to work with. However, in the 225 m/pixel GIF
composite format (as listed below) is where that same radar obtained
pixel information becomes worth 36 confirming/averaging looks per
pixel, and thereby of less than ideal resolution but otherwise far
more pixel truthworthy.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
A new and improved radar mapping mission within our existing bought
and paid for technology, and using a conventional satellite capable
deployment could easily cut that resolution down by a factor of 10
fold, making the exact same 36 look/pixel composite GIF image worthy
of 22.5 meters before ever having to apply digital image resampling/
enlarging. Nowadays, a rigid airship mission that would cruise safely
and efficiently below those acidic clouds (say at 25 km) could give us
better than one meter/pixel in radar format, and otherwise easily
provide cm or 10 mm/pixel in CCD optical format.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
Brad Guth
How many here are seriously looking for an Earth like planet?
~ BG
Brad Guth
Meaning one as having a similar or somewhat less gravity and loaded
with minerals plus all the usual elements, including unlimited local
energy that's clean and renewable as is.
Brad Guth
If you can not manage to accomplish those reasonably basic and easily
peer replicated digital photo enlargements, all you have to do is ask
and you will receive (no questions asked).
~ BG
Saul Levy
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You are FUCKING INSANE!
Saul Levy
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:03:09 -0700 (PDT), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sep 20, 9:56 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> How many here are seriously looking for an Earth like planet?
Brad Guth
> How many here in Usenet/newsgroups are seriously looking for an
> Earth like planet?
>
> Meaning one as having a similar or somewhat less gravity and loaded
> energy that's clean and renewable as is.
>
> On Sep 11, 5:12 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Attention all you smart K12s plus anyone else that cares to see for
> > themselves what our government agencies and insiders would much rather
> > you didn’t: Finding Waldo on Venus is actually much easier said than
> > done, but otherwise finding a substantial tarmac plus large scale
> > connected to that other reservoir, or how about near the natural fluid
> > arch if not around that impressive bridge or just nearby any number of
> > other large scale infrastructure (including those rectangular rock
> > quarry sites situated just north of that bridge). There’s at least 5
> > gold stars plus a million other points to go along with your name as
> > allowed, because there’s lots of observationology credit to go around)
>
> > Do your own image enlargement and post a link, or pretend you care by
>
> > Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> > http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> > http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
If you and your faith or club policy can not manage to accomplish
Brad Guth
> Attention all you smart K12s plus anyone else that cares to see for
> themselves what our government agencies and insiders would much rather
> you didn’t: Finding Waldo on Venus is actually much easier said than
> done, but otherwise finding a substantial tarmac plus large scale
> connected to that other reservoir, or how about near the natural fluid
> arch if not around that impressive bridge or just nearby any number of
> other large scale infrastructure (including those rectangular rock
> quarry sites situated just north of that bridge). There’s at least 5
> gold stars plus a million other points to go along with your name as
> given full credits for finding Waldo. (K-12 team/class efforts are
>
> Do your own image enlargement and post a link, or pretend you care by
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
If you and your faith or whatever club policy can not manage to
accomplish those reasonably basic and easily peer replicated digital
photo enlargements, all you have to do is ask and you will receive (no
questions asked), because there's really nothing all that special or
much less ulterior motive with any of this. It's all 5th grade
PhotoShop-101, except there's noting artificially added or distorted
by the straight forward process of digital image enlarging, as well as
you can always reverse everything an/or start over as often as you
like.
~ BG
Saul Levy
INSANE FUCKING MORON!
THOSE IMAGES SHOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, FOOL!
Saul Levy
Brad Guth
If you and your faith or whatever club policy can not manage to
Brad Guth
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8ade0fa8-f26c-4fe2...@h37g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> everywhere on Venus, and many of those active geothermal vents don’t
> stop migrating their discharge vertical until the thermodynamics and
> buoyancy equalizes within those cool acidic clouds.
>
> The hot rock (presumably as mostly basalt) and the much hotter
> interior of Venus that is comprised extensively of hydrogen and always
> some if not a lot of O2, plus there’s likely helium and most any other
> known gas you’d care to name, except that each of those stored at
> something far greater than 100 bar.
>
> The crust/outer-lithosphere of Venus is still in places actively
> forming and thereby keeping the flow of complex gasses and those raw
> elements active, whereas under the right conditions those elements
> bind and can subsequently emerge as various mineral, brines, salts or
> acidic forms of H2O packing along any number of other complex vapors
> and near solid compositions of various elements, such as including CO,
> CO2 and of course always a few nifty metallic elements plus always
> loads of good old sulfuric acid (h2so4), as well as just contributing
> H2O2 plus those raw vapors of S8 and of course as H2S. Exiting the
> surface at >100 bar and <300 K above the local atmospheric pressure
> and temperature, whereas there could be at least 25,000 ppm h2 and
> <250,000 ppm O2 trapped within such basalt, geode pockets and layers
> of all that geothermally made hot basalt, and then of course there’s
> actual lava that should offer a scorching treasure trove of wonderful
> stuff.
>
> Most of every conceivable element that Earth and our moon/Selene has
> to offer should be easily available and in terrific volumes from
> Venus. This is not to say that raw ore should be shipped back to
> Earth, but instead finished products and/or 100% pure alloys that are
> becoming harder or too spendy to obtain here on Earth should also be
> the case.
>
> Is there any critical element that Venus does not have?
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
>
> pardon me for interrupting your discourse (with YOURSELF) here, but aren't
> you forgetting something???? don't the ET's of venus already have a claim
> on all those resources? what are you gonna do about that,... give them
> blankets infected with smallpox?
You want to tell us again why you still can't accomplish a basic
digital photo enlargement?
~ BG
Brad Guth
If you are still PhotoShop or whatever photo enlargement
dysfunctional, is not a problem unless there's something voodoo taboo/
nondisclosure pertaining to your group or whatever cabal mindset.
Myself and others can gladly accomplish the basic and easily
replicated enlargements, so you need not bother yourself.
Saul Levy
Another sign of INSANITY!
Saul Levy
Brad Guth
If you are still somewhat PhotoShop or whatever photo enlargement
dysfunctional, is not a problem unless there's something voodoo taboo/
nondisclosure pertaining to your group or whatever cabal mindset.
Myself and others can gladly accomplish these basic and easily
replicated enlargements, so you need not bother yourself. We'll even
walk you through one step at a time, and do it over as many times as
you like.
The planet Venus is only taboo to those that can't think for
themselves, because otherwise it offers everything essential and
perhaps loads of other nifty stuff that we here on Earth would pay
dearly for.
Brad Guth
Mainstream science is still looking in all the wrong places for other
life, especially intelligent other life as I've been pointing out for
more than a decade. In other words, what a totally pathetic joke our
public funded mainstream science has turned out to be, as well as
deathly afraid of their own shadow. Apparently revising anything good
or bad is taboo/nondisclosure rated, as though we're going to somehow
damage whatever faith-based voodoo.
~ BG
Brad Guth
If Earth can be visited or remote probed by ETs, then where's the
problem with their doing a full scale base of operations on the planet
Venus?
http://droidzilla.blogspot.com/2010/09/video-ufo-national-press-club.html
There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely bold
or malfunctioning.
Brad Guth
see for themselves what our government agencies and insiders would
Venus is actually much easier said than done, but otherwise finding a
substantial tarmac plus large scale infrastructure that looks
This "IrfanView" image processing utility is somewhat like being
digital image potty trained, as well as having been 5th grader
approved and thus as good as any LeapFrog pop-up book can deliver.
Not that any number of equal or better digital image methods for
enlarging haven’t existed as is, but here's simply yet another old one
that has been perked up so that not even a 5th grader is necessary to
operate it. If you can click your mouse or one finger type on a
keyboard, that's pretty much all the image processing expertise you'll
ever need.
IrfanView
http://www.irfanview.com/
PhotoZoom Pro (mac and pc)
http://www.benvista.com/main/content/content.php?page=downloads
The original GIF image file:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
If you’d care to first crop out and save the most interesting 10%
portion at 1:1, as I've so often instructed (gives roughly a 64 k
image file that’s a 100% 1:1 clone of the original without having all
the surrounding image to deal with), whereas the automated enlargement
process runs a good ten fold faster, and perhaps another ten fold
faster yet if using XP instead of Windows 7 (but that's not my fault).
Of course Apple/MAC users are not without as good or better
alternatives than PhotoZoom. However, this radar obtained image is
just offering a basic monochrome file of 651 k, of not all that many
pixels to begin with. So, a 10x enlargement is still going to be
relatively efficient and otherwise simplified, in that not even a 5th
grader is required, and because such software doesn’t care what image
context it is processing, there’s nothing weird or unexpected going to
happen unless you have a faith-based or some other dysfunctional
naysay mindset kind of problem.
Virtually all digital cameras and photo printers of any significance
come packaged with a basic photo resizing/enlarging along with their
automatic zoom filtering utility for delivering sufficient image
enlargement results that do not modify or otherwise skew the image
data. Commercially or via government agencies should have far better
zoom/enlarge or image resampling results that are certainly available
to those with either the necessary loot or having their inside
connections for using such.
Start looking for our Venusian Waldo or whatever else looks unusually
of local intelligence somewhere near that complex tarmac, or perhaps
he/she is over near that large clover shaped reservoir that’s
connected to that other reservoir, or how about near the natural fluid
arch if not around that impressive bridge or just nearby any number of
other large scale infrastructure (including those rectangular rock
quarry sites situated just north of that bridge). There’s at least 5
gold stars plus a million other points to go along with your name as
given full credits for finding Waldo. (K-12 team/class efforts are
allowed, because there’s lots of observationology credit to go around)
Do your own image enlargement and post a link, or pretend that you
care by doing absolutely nothing other than asking questions or
passing the message along to a friend.
Btw; if our Eden/Earth can be visited or at least remote probed by ETs
of some advanced capability to that of ours, including as of decades
ago, then where's the insurmountable problem with their accomplishing
a full scale logistics base of operations on the planet Venus?
http://droidzilla.blogspot.com/2010/09/video-ufo-national-press-club.html
There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Venus facts and what-ifs; or perhaps it’s still mostly a top secret
don’t ask and don’t tell kind of unmentionable situation, all because
the voodoo/taboo planet Venus is in fact extremely proto-Earth like,
except that it’s a whole lot more complex as having layers upon layers
of a highly composite and even reactive atmosphere that’s entirely
different than anything you can imagine. Besides all of the usual
mainstream published data and eyecandy that we are always supposed to
accept without doubts, fear or remorse, whereas it seems there’s a few
other deductive science interpretations that might not be quite so
discouraging or suggesting that Venus is so technically insurmountable
as you might care to think, because otherwise it’s especially doable
to anyone having mastered space travel, so I guess that’s why this
automatically excludes the vast majority of us.
The interpretation by some as suggesting <1% of those total
atmospheric gases by volumetric density as hosting heavy or acidic
water is actually a fairly impressive notion, whereas even 0.1% of
pure h2o would represent a serious amount considering that its
atmospheric mass of nearly 5e20 kg is simply so much greater than
Earth’s. However, the officially reported scale height of the Venus
atmosphere is specified as only 16 km, whereas this method represents
how our mainstream science manages to exclude whatever evidence and to
otherwise obfuscate by way of their mainstream science using only
whatever selected data falls within that first 16 km, thereby suites
their motives and hidden agenda of their intentionally not looking for
factoids of any life or much less intelligence.
Within this initial scale height of 16 km it is in fact relatively hot
and seemingly crystal dry, though it’s something more comparable to
that of a pressure cooker and/or that of dry steam, and thereby
offering a mostly rocky surface without sufficient h2o laying around
or much less falling out of that sky (outside of seeing whatever
vapors that are always headed up into those cool clouds), and
therefore it’s all pretty much chemically an inert surface as well as
reactively passive, even though there’s also a great amount of raw S8
vapor along with mostly co2 and always some of that unavoidable h2o
that’s migrating its way up (the thermodynamic physics norm of heat
seeking cold) forming those acidic clouds. Even using the second
scale height that should take us up to 24 km is still a relatively hot
and dry environment because the local pressure is still keeping it
that way. However, this odd method of using scale height doesn’t seem
to work as well as intended, as for supposedly giving us a good enough
picture to work with is instead a dysfunctional kind of useless
science that’s intentionally misleading.
“atmosphere of Venus are considerably dryer than corresponding
regions on Earth. The water content of the atmosphere is within the
realm of 0.1 to 1 per cent of the total atmospheric gases by volume”.
That 1% of a 115 km atmosphere that’s primarily saturated its water
vapor within them thick clouds, above which includes the upper O2
layer, or by using that of the given atmospheric mass of nearly 5e20
kg is worth something near 5e18 kg of h2o (5e3 teratonnes of mostly
water vapor and droplets that never get much below 30 km). However,
even taking the lower base estimate of 0.1% is still an amount worth
500 teratonnes of rather easily accessible water that’s being
continually replenished from within that newish acting planet.
***BTW; in order to add further confusion as investigative insult to
injury, the scale height (15.9 km) that’s used by NASA and by so many
others is roughly the lower 15% portion that’s supposedly worth half
the volumetric pressure, as representing one atmospheric scale height
that obviously excludes the S8 layer and all the vast bulk of those
acidic wet clouds. Therefore, perhaps the actual total mass of the
Venus atmosphere is more than likely worth hosting a lot more water
than we’ve been informed by our peers, especially since the lower
portion is so nicely <67 kg/m3 buoyant, with so much of what’s above
that first scale height containing all of that acidic water vapor as
always 100% cloudy and otherwise reasonably cool (downright icy and
even cryogenic by night according to those ESA data reports). In
other words, the upper atmospheric layers or second, third, fourth and
so on scale height is all being nicely floated on top of the buoyant
first atmospheric height, and so forth as we go up.
***Using airships of unlimited mass is like placing a vast fleet of
million tonne battleships in the ocean which does not increase the
pressure below, whereas instead it just makes that big atmospheric
pond a little larger and ever so slightly deeper. In the case of
Venus, there’s really no upper limits of airship displacement and its
payload capability, outside of the usual physics of gas or vapor
density, thermodynamics and specific gravity as to how much larger and
deeper or rather higher that atmospheric ocean can get before the
solar winds can manage to blow any of it away, and of course the
geothermally heated planet itself has been doing a perfectly fine job
of creating replacement atmosphere on the fly, so to speak
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
The surface environment of Venus isn’t exactly the kind of
insurmountable hot and nasty hellhole that some might care think it
is, and it’s certainly not anything that’s fooling anyone as
geologically dead or dormant like what we’ve been told over and over
by those in charge of our mainstream science and their public media
infomercial mindset that’s fully moderated and enforced by those few
in charge of whatever gets officially published and otherwise hyped
(including published in K-12 textbooks). Venus nighttime at an
altitude of 70~90+ km also isn’t always so cryogenic, as apparently
there are thermodynamic ribbons or jet stream like up-flows and cross-
flows of that relatively extreme tropical atmospheric environment from
below. I believe the following report has merely failed to properly
post their “30 to 70 C” as otherwise it should have been correctly
stated as being –30 to –70 C, but none the less that’s still downright
toasty compared to the usual –120 C that’s available.
“The Unexpected Temperature Profile Of Venus's Atmosphere”
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/The_Unexpected_Temperature_Profile_Of_Venus_Atmosphere_999.html
The only problem being with some of this graphic applied eye-candy
analogy is that in reality so very little of the solar energy actually
reaches onto the lower (below cloud) atmosphere and directly touches
or interacts with that geothermally heated surface. Perhaps all of
0.5% or 13 w/m2 gets all the way to the surface, which certainly adds
to the 20.5 w/m2 that’s continually radiating away from the planet.
“Jean-Loup Bertaux, Service d'Aeronomie du CNRS, France, Ann-Carine
Vandaele, Institut d'Aeronomie Spatiale de Belgique, and colleagues
have now used Venus Express to discover an unexpectedly warm layer of
air on the planet's night-side. It sits between the altitudes of
90-120 km, a region that is generally so cold at night that scientists
often refer to it as Venus's cryosphere. The new measurements show
that the temperature excess ranges from 30 to 70C and peaks at an
altitude of 100 km.” (their graphic depicted scales are correct, by
showing everything above 60 km as -C, however it’s unlikely their
reporting error in their published context will ever be corrected
before getting extensively republished in public science journals and
textbooks), Venus - night-time temperatures in the atmosphere
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_0.html
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_1.html#subhead1
This following ESA image/graphic of the Venus day/night thermal
profiles should be a little more intriguing to those of us interested
in the future prospects of our accomplishing Venus, without getting
our initial composite rigid airship probes unnecessarily fried in the
process.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg
Unfortunately, our future aerial/rigid-airship sustained expedition
cruising altitude may have to be flown below 35 km by day (possibly
below 25 km within the season of nighttime) in order to remain as
fully in the clear of that acidic haze or fog, thereby it’ll be much
hotter outside our air-conditioned composite rigid airship in order to
avoid the bulk of that lower acidic vapor (not that such warm acid is
any technological problem for modern engineered materials and
systems), and as otherwise necessary for escaping the bulk of those
pesky retrograde winds. However, along with having a positive/
constructive mindset, one can do absolute wonders within the regular
laws of physics, especially when using the best available science,
technology and deductive thinking along the way.
In other words, there’s really nothing simple or much less properly
understood about the Venus atmosphere, but at least there’s absolutely
no question of where the vast bulk of Venus heat is coming from, and
it’s most certainly not by way of the sun and atmospheric greenhouse
that’s merely contributing to a seriously nasty geothermal driven
environment. In other words, if the sun were to snuff out, the
planet Venus would still offer a reasonably toasty warm planet that
was only somewhat cooler, and perhaps not even cool enough to allow
surface ice to form, and if anything that robust atmosphere would
become even thicker and more dense to boot.
Unfortunately, it’s even those folks of ESA that mixes up their Kelvin
and Centigrade back and forth and leaves off their minus thermal
notation as though it really doesn’t matter because they don’t want
others to realize what the planet Venus has such cold atmospheric
environments to offer, thereby no wonder we have to see those
published errors and misconceptions in their science context that’ll
apparently get to stick with us no matters what.
With the JAXA Planet-C mission on their way and hopefully lots more
yet to come from the ESA's Venus EXPRESS team of investigative
wizards, perhaps updates and corrections will eventually materialize.
Just don’t hold your breath, because these things always take a great
deal of time (such as until previous science investigators and perhaps
their next generation manage to die, or hell freezes over).
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
On behalf of Venus oxygen (O2) and what’s otherwise so geothermal of
such a newish kind of planetology surface environment, I’ve added a
little basic search information that even a dysfunctional preschool
child could probably accomplish on their little green $100 or free
laptop.
Planet C (Venus 2.0) would likely represent a tough crowd for a stand
up comedian, although it’s not actually technically insurmountable
venue unless you had a purely mainstream status-quo mindset of
perpetual denial and otherwise of naysay and evidence exclusion
(scientific obfuscation form of their taking the fifth whenever any
possible revision is in sight).
Try a LeapFrog Search: Venus oxygen or Venus volcanoes
http://images.google.com/images?q=venus%20oxygen&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
http://www.entertainmentandshowbiz.com/venus-express-searches-for-life-on-earth-200810193508
Venus Express Searches For Life On Earth
http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1584729/venus_express_searches_for_life_on_earth/index.html
“We see water and molecular oxygen in Earth’s atmosphere, but Venus
also shows these signatures.”
Venus Express: Zoom-in on Venus’ oxygen airglow.
http://jtintle.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/zoom-in-on-venus%E2%80%99-oxygen-airglow/
“The X-rays from Venus are produced by fluorescent radiation from
oxygen and other atoms in the atmosphere between 120 and 140
kilometers above the surface of the planet.”
http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2001/venus/
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=af&u=http://kosmofysis.com/af/universo/sistema-solare/444-dove-e-andata-lacqua-di-venere.html&ei=ckl-TNfRJ4j6sAOV4c2VCw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCkQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522%2Bvan%2Bwater%2Bop%2BVenus%2522%26num%3D20%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3Drx7%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Db
“Despite the low concentration of water on Venus, so fetch and
colleagues found that the day side of the planet loses water molecules
2e24 hydrogen nuclei (one of the two atoms of H2O ) per second.”
"We can keep the water escape from the night side of Venus. But the
question remains: How much of this water is in the past have lost
because of this phenomenon?" Says Stas Barabash, the Swedish Institute
of Space Physics in Kiruna and Principal Investigator (PI) of ASPERA's
observation that worked on the night side of Venus.”
http://venus-express-news.newslib.com/story/6016-3173344/
“These results from Venus Express demonstrate that the heavier water
containing deuterium has not been able to escape Venus’s gravity as
easily as normal H2O. This enrichment of heavy water provides strong
evidence that water loss is occurring in the upper atmosphere and that
Venus was probably more humid and Earth-like in the distant past,”
said Dr Emmanuel Marcq of the LATMOS laboratory in France.”
The free h2o within the lower atmosphere that isn’t directly locked up
as thick clouds of sulphuric acid is only worth 25<50 ppm. However,
that volume and subsequent tonnage of acidic water vapor still isn’t
exactly insignificant when you consider that it’s being continually
replenished. Of course the sulphuric acid can always be easily enough
vacuum distilled in order to separate and extract the h2o portion.
The published topics of old and new research goes on and on, though
probably not offered in any sufficient LeapFrog popup eye-candy format
for the mentally disadvantaged or otherwise in braille format for the
sight impaired likes of our resident rusemasters and countless others
suffering from a genetic disorder of incurable blindness caused by
denial and perpetual nayism. I believe the Venus O2 science goes way
back nearly a couple of decades, as credited to those having used
narrow bandpass optical filters, but having never got anything
mainstream published until more recently. Even though this Venus O2
layer is situated well above those acidic clouds, at least this means
that it’s the element of oxygen that is emerging from the planet to
start off with. Btw, not to discount those robust and fairly acidic
clouds that would easily provide 500 teratonnes of pure h2o, as well
as subsequently offering nearly unlimited amounts of o2, h2 and of all
things nifty would have to include their making of h2o2. Any good 5th
grade science class effort would likely prove sufficient for this kind
of a science project, because observationology is not faith-based nor
is it politically correct, it’s just pure science w/o strings or
conditional physics attached.
http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/project/virtis/venus-vol.html
“There are some 55,000 volcanoes larger than 1 km across identified
on Venus, spread over 646 volcano fields.”
http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/volcanoes/planet_volcano/venus/intro.html
“Venus has more volcanoes than any other planet in the solar
system.” Over 1600 major volcanoes or volcanic features are known
(see map), and there are so many other smaller volcanoes. (“No one has
yet counted them all, but the total number may be over 100,000 or even
over 1,000,000”).
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf
Geothermal CO2+S8 gas vents, as interpreted within “An Alternate View
of Venus” by John Ackerman, and by rights this interpretation alone
should have given enough cause to those interested in learning the
truth. Would any of you folks like to review and offer your best swag
(scientific wild ass guess) as to my Guth Venus "fluid arch", or is
this perfectly natural geological item still too closely associated
with my Guth Venus township or ET outpost of all those fairly large
and complex looking structures and their major tarmac, as situated
within their perfectly rational community that’s clearly observable to
those few of us that might actually care to look?
I’ll try to have a little more to share about this nighttime
temperature, as the extremely need-to-know or nondisclosure voodoo
science that’s public funded and so often delayed and encrypted or
none-disclosure rated eventually leaks its way out of their mainstream
cabal of perpetual denials, evidence exclusions and carefully
orchestrated deceptions, not that I don’t trust our government to
always do the right thing at least once in a while However, as you
can readily see by the sorts of topic/author stalking and systematic
bashings taking place (extensively in alt.astronomy), it’s still not
easy being green or honest.
In the mean time, would any of you folks care to review and offer your
best swag as to what sort of weird geology is creating my Guth Venus
"fluid arch", or is this seemingly natural item still too closely
associated with the Guth Venus township or whatever ET outpost having
all those fairly large and complex structures along with that fairly
major and complex shaped tarmac, as an intelligent infrastructure
situated within a fairly mountainous terrain, yet offering a perfectly
rational looking community.
At least the relatively inexpensive JAXA Planet-C mission is off to a
good start, so in the very near future there’s going to be more
science and a subsequent better understanding as to that composite
atmosphere and its thermodynamics that’s mostly geology thermodynamic
driven. Our DARPA and NASA has actually had SAR imaging capability of
meter resolution, but there's still no motivation for utilizing our
existing bought and paid for technology on exploring the planet Venus,
so for the moment we simply have to continue doing without better
resolution because supposedly they have other more important things to
be doing with our hard earned loot, rather than wasted on surveying
whatever those visiting ETs or local inhabitants of Venus have been
doing.
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Though intelligent other life that has likely existed and perhaps
still exist/coexist on the nearest planet (Venus), none the less for
many of us it remains as a rather taboo/nondisclosure rated planet by
our NASA and their devout army of brown-nosed minions that are mostly
public funded and allowed to practice their usual mainstream status-
quo voodoo. None the less, you and others can still see for yourself
as to what is so unexpected.
"Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1"
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
If you simply can’t manage to do the most basic zoom-in, image crop
and if need be turning off or excluding the color format because there
is no actual color within any SAR obtained image to begin with, much
less doing the most basic PhotoShop or whatever digital enlargements w/
(unsharp mask) and other suitable filters, don’t bother to worry
yourself because, it seems 99.9% of Usenet still can’t tie their own
shoelaces or much less perform the most basic digital photographic
tasks either. If need be, I'll gladly provide those fresh digital
enlargements that can always be peer replicated to whatever extent
makes you a happy camper.
Many here in Usenet/newsgroups have obviously gotten themselves caught
with their mainstream status quo pants all the way down and even
having broke wind with their usual intellectual failsafe spew of
scientific bigotry that’s showing us its ugly closed mindset of
perpetual naysay, denial and policy of evidence exclusion (aka
obfuscation). Though in spite of such an apparent lack of perfectly
deductive common sense knowledge and logical observationology
interpretations, along with their usual obfuscation and seeming
inability to accomplish a basic web search for much of anything
without benefit of their LeapFrog and faith-based filtered browser
that’s also kept filtered as politically correct, how about the rest
of us start sharing a positive/constructive technological and what-if
applied thought or two, such as on behalf of our deductively
considering intelligent ETs (meaning us humans if you like)
accomplishing Venus, perhaps even towards sharing a little something
like our William Mook (aka willie.moo) recently contributed within
another topic “Is it this easy to live on Earth?” that’s closely
related to intelligent life surviving on Venus.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/f618c4f91e8e77d4
Atmospheric diatoms or simply flighty microbes and spores? (are not
exactly impossible)
Every 19 months our world tends to receive another panspermia surprise
or two, therefore a discovery of Venus atmospheric microbes, spores or
diatoms would certainly be nice to confirm, however, you really do not
require surface and/or any upper atmosphere accommodated realm of
diatoms, or for that matter any viable microbes or spores of complex
local DNA for a given other planet or moon environment to accommodate
intelligent other life, even if it’s only as marginally intelligent
and/or as totally snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no
return, plus so often colorblind as many humans have become.
Supposedly our physically dark moon that’s naked to the tune of the
3e-15 bar, that represents a lunar environment continually surrounded
by a highly charged atmosphere of hot sodium and a few other lofty
elements, plus most everything else about our moon/Selene being highly
electrostatic charged and otherwise fully reactive as that perfectly
raw exposed surface of complex mineral density actually is, of which
by day or night is also saturated in cosmic plus local recoil gamma,
and otherwise by day getting its IR roasted surface extra saturated in
those solar soft to hard X-rays, plus always receiving loads of CME
plasma and thereby representing itself as every bit as bad if not
somewhat worse off than any nasty portion of what our Van Allan
magnetosphere badlands has to offer. Yet in spite of such daunting
negative and potentially lethal odds, it supposedly had intelligent
life walking and driving about on its nicely clumping and
monochromatic dust covered surface (namely by Apollo astronauts that
supposedly had all “the right stuff” but shortly afterwards lost track
of most everything that we paid dearly for), as though it was exactly
like a certain terrestrial monochromatic guano island that was acting
as though entirely inert/passive, extensively offering an albedo of
0.65 < 0.75 as though it were merely a xenon arc-lamp spectrum of UV
deficient illumination and otherwise relatively UV inert (meaning that
nothing natural or artificial gave off any of those expected secondary/
recoil photons that their unfiltered Kodak film by rights should have
recorded.
What this proves to some of us is that apparently those regular laws
of physics do not necessarily apply to off-world applications. So,
how technically hard or otherwise insurmountable could Venus really
be? Especially if the regular laws of physics do not apply, as they
obviously didn’t apply on behalf of those having “the right stuff”
that supposedly accomplished our Selene/moon without their having
traumatized hardly a single strand of their DNA, or having spoiled any
mm2 of all that unfiltered and not even not all that well shielded
Kodak film.
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Just because you and most others can not breath underwater, much less
in a vacuum, underground or otherwise survive where it’s always too
cold, too dry, too wet or of having too little atmospheric pressure or
simply where it’s too hot and too much pressure doesn’t means that
other complex forms of evolution and even intelligent life can not
manage, especially if whatever local or imported intelligence applied
physics and the necessary technology plus having good logistics.
Try real hard to listen up folks;
ETs that are likely smarter than your average 5th grader most likely
do exist, mostly because the odds against other complex and even
superior intelligent life not existing/coexisting somewhere off-world
is simply too great, and otherwise with newer and better astronomy
plus mission probes are making those pro-ET odds as having been
looking better all the time, as well as there’s every good enough
reason(s) to believe that some species of complex life as ETs to us
have already been here and/or at least nearby all along, while others
have merely come and gone as of thousands or millions of years ago, as
well as there being something intelligent as having been recently
utilizing the planet Venus for all it’s worth. This is not to say
that such ETs are necessarily somehow above or beyond the regular laws
of physics or having extremely advanced biological capabilities all
that exceed those of ours. However, their having space travel
capability of <0.1c seems perfectly reasonable enough, and perhaps
even as great as <0.5c for accommodating those robotic probes or
transponders accomplishing extended interstellar probe treks may also
have been technically doable, but I’d say that’s about it for galactic
trekking locals that have established their base of operations on the
planet Venus.
If it were not for the substantial SEC fiasco(s) plus multiple other
related failures world wide (before, during and after as though
nothing has changed for the better), plus 9/11 and the subsequent
global spendy wars and increased security because of only a few other
humans (mostly disgruntled Muslims) that we have always taking
advantage of and then trying to get rid of before they manage to
return the favor, whereas instead we’d be all set up on remote off-
world places like our moon and Mars, as well as having those zero
delta-V outpost/gateways and most likely the capability of
accomplishing Venus by now. Instead we got less than zilch, plus
we’re deeply in debt to nations we supposedly don’t like and still at
odds with many other nations that we really can’t afford to do
anything positive/constructive about.
Even at the ET trek velocity of 0.1c, the local interstellar distances
involved are often staggering, not to mention intergalactic stuff
that’s unlikely unless riding on or within a rogue planet or moon of a
sufficiently large planet, and otherwise with only a few blue-shifted
expectations, most other potential goldilocks zones of worthy
exoplanets and their moons outside of our local galaxy realm have been
getting further away (outside of those trillion some odd stars of
Andromeda that we’re closing that gap at 300+ km/sec), a nearby galaxy
that’s every bit as likely populated if not a whole lot not more so
goldilocks worthy seems rather likely to host other intelligent life,
thereby we have an entire galaxy that’s mutually in blue-shift with us
and most likely has them ETs scared to death that they might
eventually run into a heathen/infidel planet like Eden/Earth that’s
forever stuck in faith-based voodoo mode.
However, within the near future it seems we’re also headed back
towards the local Sirius star/solar system. In the not so distant
past of perhaps only a few hundred million years ago (>260e6), it
seems at least part of a smaller galaxy had gradually merged/
encountered our Milky Way, as having contributed all sorts of stellar
companions, along with contributing and causing loads of rogue stuff,
plus offering a few of those terrific molecular/nebula clouds that
gave birth to the likes of our impressive and nearby Sirius star/solar
system that we’re closing in on and could conceivably get within a
light year of.
In the greater interpretation of all this, I certainly would not
intentionally exclude other evolutionary methods of ETs morphing and
achieving an equal or better level of physiological expertise within
their own intelligent design efforts, of creating custom DNA/RNA on
behalf of refining their own complex forms of life (exactly as
Monsanto and many others have been secretly doing all along),
including a few highly specialized and intelligent forms as something
equal or better than our human species that would have also developed
and incorporated sufficient technology in order to better accomplish
and extend their survival, especially on behalf of surviving upon
other planets or moons as having extremes and/or whatever lack or
excess in local and renewable energy to work with, or simply using
their technology on behalf of whatever environments believed too harsh/
extreme for their naked species.
For this deductive analogy of planetary energy usage, you simply have
to rethink with an open mindset as to the all-inclusive energy cycle,
of which the extremely nearby planet Venus seems to have far more than
its fair share of raw and renewable energy to work with, and with such
local energy is why almost anything becomes doable.
Compared to the mostly CO2 icy and seemingly much older and
geologically defunct planet of Mars, Venus by rights should offer at
least a good million fold better treasure-trove of raw elements and
usable energy per cubic meter of its own active geothermal and
atmospheric forms to draw upon, as well as in many ways more than a
hundred fold better off than anything Eden/Earth has to offer. Trying
to suggest otherwise is simply proof positive of the orchestrated
intent and naysay mindset imposed by those in control of our
dysfunctional K12 education and mainstream media, as well as cloaked
those of our Google Groups (aka Usenet/newsgroups) that systematically
topic/author stalk, as these brown-nose clowns of their mainstream
status quo minions always attempt to banish or disqualify outsiders,
as well as otherwise they systematically obfuscate, as always meant to
exclude whatever deductive observationology as well as to continually
banish or exclude the planetology of any real physics and the best
available science that just so happens to rock their faith-based and/
or politically correct boat.
If you don’t think I’m sufficiently correct, please feel free to prove
otherwise.
Those of you as perhaps not quite 5th graders, and/or if otherwise
still having trouble locating or accessing the unmoderated portions of
these public Usenet/newsgroups (such as "alt.astronomy"), as such may
have to get connected to an outside server that's not having been
stealth moderated or filtered to death by those in charge of your
brainwashing.
Deductive observational science isn't for everyone, much the same as
logical dot connecting of mostly public funded evidence isn't for
everyone because most folks want to be told what to believe. The
Magellan SAR image that I'm working from is exactly what it is, and if
you'd care to think perfectly natural hot rock should look exactly
like a fairly substantial and complex tarmac, alongside a complex and
rational community plan of substantial structures, along with having
multiple nearby reservoirs, that bridge and its nearby rock quarry
sites, plus whatever else seems perfectly rigid airship worthy, than
so be it because I certainly can’t do everything for you.
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Believe it or not, it seems that our government as a whole, and that
must include dozens of public-funded agencies and special interest
groups, many of those having stealth/mystery black ops running rogue
at most any time, whereas it seems that it doesn't always tell us the
whole truth and nothing but the truth, whereas instead we have all
been to some formal and informal extent systematically mainstream
snookered, indoctrinated and/or manipulated by our beloved peers as to
what supposedly makes everything tick, including that extremely nearby
planet Venus that has made itself so unusually hot and nasty, but
oddly we’ve not been informed of all the alternatives or having been
given access to the remainders of what should have also been
considered and realized about this nearest planet, that’s also by far
the most similar to early Earth.
To start with, most of you have little or no technical expertise (much
less first hand) or any other educated idea as to what a radar
obtained (SAR) image represents, much less capable of interpreting as
anything but yet another one of NASA’s colorblind examples where the
best of us can’t possibly tell a diamond from a chunk of coal, gold
from whatever’s mud or most any other surface visible element color/
hue from another. In fact minerals or deposits of most any sort
simply can not be deductively extrapolated from looking at a
conventional monochrome image (especially where the lighting and
shadows are always such variables), whereas a radar obtained image you
can at least interpret the density and/or the likely composite
substance that’s represented by each pixel, which in the case of Venus
can be offered to us as a GIF pixel of 36 confirming looks or scans,
which provides by far the least distorted as well as the most
trustworthy and thus truthworthy values for a given resolution.
Unfortunately, here in Google Groups and throughout Usenet/newsgroups
are mostly public funded clowns as our peers, offering only a gauntlet
of faith-based and politically correct parrots (including the most
devout Semites cloaked as pretend-Atheists), as well as we always have
the usual secondary gauntlet of their brown-nosed minions as civilian
parrots, clowns and special interest cabals of insiders looking for
intelligent other life or essentially any form of other life in pretty
much all the wrong places, as though only the most wet Eden like
planets that are extremely far away should ever qualify. As of lately
these devout mainstream parrots and their fellowship of minions seem
to like promoting their most distant inert eyecandy best of all, and
the further away from us the better, because that's not representing
or imposing any social/political or faith-based threats to their
mainstream past, present or future mindset of tactical obfuscation
that so often has to topic/author stalk and post their replies as
mostly limited to a few Google Usenet newsgroups, bashing away as
though alt.astronomy and many other public unmoderated newsgroups
shouldn’t have existed in the first place.
Imagine if an exoplanet exactly like Venus were just discovered, and
then to further consider what biological evolution possibilities
should exist, knowing something of how complex robust life can manage
to evolve and/or adapt to extreme environments that would otherwise
kill off a human species within seconds if not sooner, and yet with
applied physics and given a moderate level of good logistics and
technology, it’s worth noting that we too could easily explore and
even eventually adapt to surviving within such potentially lethal
environments (similar to those on Earth where it takes a good deal of
applied physics and our best technology in order that we survive and
function, or even upon our physically dark moon as supposedly
accomplished by all those Apollo missions having supposedly
demonstrated that accomplishment without hardly a hitch or a scratch).
Further imagine what a truly advanced species of ET humanoids or
whatever intelligent complex lizard species could manage to
accomplish, especially if they didn't have bogus wars and faith-based
voodoo or those special interest cabals of such greed, hording and
corruption holding them back. Can you imagine how retarded such ETs
would be if their mostly public funded patent infringements were
always strictly enforced and thus any use of any other public funded
R&D forbidden. (perhaps anything receiving more than 33% public
funding should be made available (free of charge) to anyone that’s a
valid taxpayer or even a consumer, and of those taking less than 33%
should be prorated because it’s pretty much near impossible for anyone
to accomplish a better technology or science advancement without their
having involved some degree of public infrastructure and thus public
investment, but then such a policy would only have advanced us by at
least a thousand years and having few if any nations in debt because
most of our global problems would have long been resolved.
Wherever good robotics can manage to survive (from environments of
extreme pressures, temperatures and that of lethal toxins or radiation
and of course absolute vacuum), it's entirely possible for those same
levels of advanced technology and applied expertise to accommodate us
humans, thereby whatever ET intelligent other life really shouldn’t be
all that insurmountable, and it's always going to be a whole lot
easier if there's an unlimited local cache of energy to draw upon, as
well as ample supplies of local minerals plus water, of which this
extremely nearby planet Venus offers more than a sufficient amount of
raw minerals plus loads of h2o to spare as long as we’re allowed to
consider the acidic water that’s contained within them thick clouds
plus whatever is being geothermally forced out of the planet as
usable.
ESA’s Venus EXPRESS and the latest JAXA “PLANET C” are each missions
intended to better explain why such a nearby (100x LD) planet that’s
supposedly as old as Earth is still so geologically active and
otherwise full of mineral and chemical surprises, that includes a
great deal of those interior vapors along with water and otherwise
unlimited local renewable energy that isn’t based on burning
hydrocarbons or those usual forms of combustion.
This isn’t my saying that each and every hot or cold planet and/or
whatever moon is going to become humanly accessible and livable, much
less in the buff as the case with Eden/Earth once that last ice age
had taken place and of course those pesky and always hungry dinosaurs
had previously all became extinct for reasons yet unknown. Before
this Eden of ours became human populated, there was an extremely nifty
composite of a life thriving and sustaining planet with a rather heavy
amount of dense atmosphere, sustaining an environment that was
saturated with complex and often larger forms of life (mostly other
than anything humanoid) that at the time we few if any humans may have
amounted to a mass of something less than 1 ppb (whereas today our
global biodiversity mass amounts to roughly 1 ppm) and back then w/o
moon and having only limited seasons along with those rather
substantial ice ages and subsequent tropical periods plus loads of
nasty weather extremes and always those terrific horrific floods in
between each of those pesky ice-age cycles, as most likely there was
no spectacular moon and no significant seasonal tilt, because
otherwise us frail humans that were rather poorly evolved for
surviving this planet would have needed to seasonally migrate along
with other species, as well as further complicated because there were
only so many caves and some of those would have been inhabited by mean
and hungry animals that wouldn’t have taken kindly to sharing their
cozy habitats with such primitive humans.
This simply means, that even for an evolving planet or moon that’s
either too cold or too hot and nasty can manage to sustain certain
complex other forms of life, and perhaps even evolved enough to create
substantial infrastructure that we can easily interpret from SAR
imaging of their planet or moon. If ETs had perfected a form of
directed panspermia, there’s simply no telling how many planets and
moons were given a better than random happenstance shot at hosting
complex life (including Eden/Earth where we humans currently represent
1 ppm, though it used to be only 1 ppb up until we sort of got the
hang of it, and proceeded to consume, destroy and kill off most
everything we could muster).
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
It’s still all about having focus, focus, focus:
It’s not that we have to stop exploring further out and looking as far
away as possible, that is as long as we can afford to do so, and to
continually divert such talent, expertise and resources. However,
when something as obvious and as important as what the planet Venus
has to offer is continually ignored or rather systematically banished
is when there needs to be a fresh look-see at our existing and
proposed priorities, as well as the limited resources at hand.
At least I still know what's affordably worth doing, and obviously
most of you folks don't hardly know squat and probably don’t really
care or want to know, and/or you are simply too deathly afraid of
authority and your own shadow to so much as make any move or have
actual independent thought on your own. Most of you still think our
moon is somehow inert, as a monochromatic terrain of passive light
grays and otherwise not the least bit radioactive nor even all that
electrostatic charged, nor even hardly the least bit UV reactive, but
otherwise you really like all those media hyped eyecandy pictures of
most everything else that’s far away to go right along with your
Corexit Happy Meals that only Monsanto knows exactly what they’re
really made of anyway. I mean, so what if there’s a few hundred
square miles of ocean floor covered in that BP oily sulfur muck that’s
molecular modified by Corexit, because that’s only <1e6 barrels of
nasty oily composite stuff per hundred square miles that’ll pretty
much kill off anything for years to come, as well as having given us
atmospheric dispersed hydrocarbon vapors as also Corexit modified,
plus including those volumes of hydrogen, helium and methane lost, and
there’s always good old radioactive elements plus radon and a few
other heavy elements such as mercury that’ll stay mostly in the
ocean. Gee whiz, what could possibly go wrong or reflect as a
consequence of anything spendy as hell that we consumers always have
to pay for?
I mean, if we can afford to be so careless and totally clueless about
our own planet and it frail biodiversity environment, then why not go
for trashing the nearest planet that’s the easiest to get to/from and
has the most accessible elements plus local energy to utilize as is?
I mean, we obviously don’t even care about the resources or local
environments of others here on Earth, especially if they have
something/anything we want.
My version of observationology is a perfectly deductive kind of
science that's easily replicated and peer verified, and yet so few of
us have obtained sufficient expertise outside of having supposedly
spotted all of those Muslim WMD. I guess if there’s a population of
global inflation caused starvation and abject poverty compared to us,
and otherwise having a perpetual caste system of faith-based voodoo
and thereby individuals qualified as Islamic/Muslim WMD, then lots of
those existed, as they still do if not somewhat worse than ever
because we insisted in changing everything to suit our needs. So far
this has only cost the global economy a few trillion dollars, set
everyone back a few decades and there’s still no end in sight, but
what hell, it was certainly fun while it lasted.
For a fraction of the mutually perpetrated cold-war investments that
actually created 9/11 and its subsequent global anti-terrorism war
with terrific logistics and government expansion cost and multiple
collateral damage in the first place, that obviously isn’t over until
long after the GOP fat lady sings, we could easily have been to Venus
and back multiple times by now. But then lots of other science,
physics and badly needed biotechnology advancements could also have
been accomplished within the same amount of time and loot we had to
spare, including that of our having accomplished a perfectly terrific
infrastructure of clean/renewable energy independence, along with
accomplishing a two fold energy grid capacity improvement and
expansion to boot, right along with our accomplishing the planet Venus
just for a little extra fun. But no, that sort of focus was never on
the table, nor allowed anywhere near that table.
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As far as we know there’s no two planets, moons or stars exactly
alike, meaning that our universe and local galaxy is infinitely
diverse and perhaps incapable of ever exactly replicating itself, plus
our galaxy is also made up of much older stuff and perhaps something
newer from other galaxies that merged with ours. So why bother
looking for another exact Eden wet like planet when the local and
cosmic diversity has so much other to offer, as even within our solar
system.
Even though there's an extremely thick and acidic layer of those dense
clouds surrounding 100% of Venus (containing loads of water
extensively in the form of sulphuric acid), whereas far enough under
those wet acidic clouds there's a relatively clear and calm atmosphere
giving a good view of a geothermally active planet with a relatively
dry but always toasty surface of various exposed minerals as easily
depicted by those sulphur-yellowish filtered photons.
Unlike Venus and most every other planet or moon, apparently our NASA/
Apollo approved moon is uniquely monochromatic and otherwise entirely
inert, even by their spendy LRO mission seems colorblind. Go figure
how we got stuck with such a worthless light gray kind of useless moon
(just kidding, because it’s nearly dark as coal and loaded with
minerals), whereas always I have located multiple color/hue saturated
and contrasty images of our physically dark moon/Selene that'll make
anyone with half a brain wonder why our NASA and their Apollo wizards
with all that “right stuff” were always so mineralogy colorblind.
A little extra side storyline about our moon:
White (the visible color we see or perceive as our moon) is supposedly
a composite of all primary colors combined, and so why is our NASA and
their peers still so color-blinded by all that physically dark mineral
reflected white light of our unavoidably UV reactive moon/Selene?
http://www.coronaborealis.org/images/full_moon_color.png
http://www.rc-astro.com/photo/id1018.html
Lo and behold, it seems there are dozens if not hundreds of others as
offering equally color/hue saturated images, telling us what kinds of
raw minerals are to be found on that naked, dusty and electrostatic
charged surface that’s also relatively eroded and radioactive as well
as unavoidably cosmic and solar particle saturated, pretty much
exactly like the worse of whatever our nasty magnetosphere has to
offer, that which our ISS orbit must avoid the SAA contour at all
cost.
Imagine how much better quality and of sufficient color/hue saturation
when obtained from a close orbit and using spendy optics as well as
the best camera technology that offers loads of better than human
spectrum and dynamic range to spare. Here again our NASA images are
without other stars and even without other planets in each of their
FOVs, and yet amateurs with inferior cameras, using less quality
optics and stuck with having the atmosphere of Earth in the way, seem
to have recorded a few other stars and especially other planets along
with our physically dark moon that’s actually quite colorful. The
planet Venus isn’t exactly dim nor all that far away, especially every
19 months when it gets to within 100 LD.
Back to Venus, where almost anything becomes doable.
With JAXA's Planet-C mission well on it's way towards Venus as
outfitted with better observation instruments, whereas their local
team of expertise should uncover important data that our NASA and
those Magellan mission wizards just couldn't figure out to save their
souls. Even the existing ESA Venus Express mission seems unable to
interpret or share much of anything that might upset the mainstream
old guard status-quo, that'll keep insisting that Venus is every bit
as old as Earth and otherwise only greenhouse heated because Venus is
supposed to be as solidified as Mercury, Earth and Mars, as well as
having been without a moon.
I on the other hand tend to believe there’s perfectly good geological
reasons for that robust atmosphere and those acidic clouds that
represent at the very least 500 teratonnes of easily accessible water,
plus rather nicely insulating the 20.5 w/m2 that’s continually
radiating from its geothermally heated surface, as well as reasons for
that specific image having those unusual pixel patterns of what easily
interprets as suggesting a considerable level of intelligent
infrastructure that’s safely below those highly reflective clouds.
True that Venus receives roughly 1.9 fold as much solar energy upon
them acidic clouds, but then it also reflects more than twice as much
as Earth as well as having that extended season of nighttime by which
to radiate all of that solar energy, and then some.
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Sorry folks, but those are not dry dust clouds of sulfur and other
waterless crystals surrounding Venus.
If our moon is supposedly loaded with <37e12 tonnes of water (as based
upon the estimate of 50 ppm), then by all means a super terrific
nearby planet like Venus is not going to be the least bit h2o
deficient, or much less short of most any other elements. Those
acidic layers of unusually thick clouds and haze (roughly 30 km worth,
or 1.4e19 m3) might easily contain anywhere from 500e12 <5000e12
tonnes of water, and always remember that most if not essentially all
of that water came from within the planet that’s still geologically
and geothermally venting and otherwise radiating its core energy at
the average of 20.5 w/m2.
Below those thick clouds my be less than 25 teratonnes of free h2o
above the hot surface, which in that toasty and/or vapor hot
environment is next to nothing.
Perhaps Venus (? Sirius C or possibly at least once a planet of Sirius
B?) is only a couple hundred and some odd million years old. At least
that estimate would account for why it’s so proto-Earth like.
Stars like those of Sirius tend to fire-up in a relative flash of
terrific fusion and settle into their main sequence of consuming and
CME tossing their mass right off the bat (Sirius B losing <2.5e12
tonnes/sec), as well as forming their planets within no more than a
few million years. We're looking at roughly a million years worth at
most for that sort of emerging stellar start-up or fusion flare-up
process of Sirius(B) that may have taken place <264 million years ago,
as perhaps more than likely a few thousand or conceivably even a few
hundred years might have been the sufficient initial gravity sequence
for such a massive molecular cloud to collapse and spawn such stars,
especially if there were sufficient gravity seed to begin with.
In other words, for pretty much the same reason Sirius(A) is so
freaking bright (as well as Sirius(B) having previously gone through
its red supergiant phase and helium flashover or soft-nova to boot),
there simply was no passive dim sun for any billion some odd initial
years so that our Venus could have been a wet Eden like environment.
If anything, for at least a while our sun had likely been extra big
(<2.5e30 kg at first) and subsequently active enough to help keep Mars
thawed out, if not tropical.
Once that proto-stellar gravity takes hold and starts to compress all
of those molecular hydrogen and helium atoms into becoming a bonafide
star, it is not likely as slow or any soft fusion ignition sequence as
you might think, and especially not if there was ever a gravity seed
to start with when that terrific molecular cloud showed up.
Our own original molecular cloud may have been worth 2.5e33<2.5e36 kg,
and most of it (<99.9999%) has to be still out there because, 0.1 c is
about as fast as such molecular clouds can move or expand away from a
slow-nova or stellar fusion start-up. This means its outer most shell
or furthest shockwave radius is only at most 450 million years out,
although I might also believe it has only managed as little expansion
as 45 million years out because, 1% c is also a reasonably good
velocity for dispersing such molecular mass.
For this same deductive reasoning, that Sirius molecular/nebula cloud
of considerably greater initial mass (<3e37 kg) should still be within
as little as a few million light years out, a fraction of the distance
modern telescopes record molecular cloud details and cosmic molecular
interactions on a regular basis. So, I believe can we safely suggest
that a good portion of our mainstream accepted physics on behalf of
stellar creation is at least somewhat bogus, if not dysfunctional.
How much of the CMB is actually that expanding noise of whatever
created the nearby Sirius star system?
Other strange food for thought: Isn’t it the least bit conceivable
that our sun was once Sirius(C)? (otherwise, why are we headed back
towards Sirius?)
Pardon this little Sirius diversion. I’ll try to focus this topic
back onto the planet Venus, but I just thought that Sirius is just as
important to Venus as Venus is to us.
~ BG
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Sorry folks, but those are not dry dust clouds of sulfur and other
waterless crystals surrounding Venus.
If our moon is supposedly loaded with <37e12 tonnes of water (as based
upon the estimate of 50 ppm), then by all means a super terrific
nearby planet like Venus is not going to be the least bit h2o
deficient, or much less short of most any other elements. Those
acidic layers of unusually thick clouds and haze (roughly 30 km worth,
or 1.4e19 m3) might easily contain anywhere from 500e12 <5000e12
tonnes of water, and always remember that most if not essentially all
of that water came from within the planet that’s still geologically
and geothermally venting and otherwise radiating its core energy at
the average of 20.5 w/m2.
Below those thick clouds my be less than another 50 teratonnes of free
h2o existing above the hot surface and below the lower haze zone of
them clouds, which in that toasty and/or always vapor hot environment
is next to nothing.
Just a notion of mine: Perhaps Venus (? Sirius C or possibly at least
once a planet of Sirius B?) is only a couple hundred and some odd
million years old. At least that estimate would account for why it’s
so proto-Earth like.
Stars like those of Sirius tend to fire-up in a relative flash of
terrific fusion and settle into their main sequence of consuming and
CME tossing their mass right off the bat (Sirius B losing <2.5e12
tonnes/sec), as well as forming their planets within no more than a
few million years. We're looking at roughly a million years worth at
most for that sort of emerging stellar start-up or fusion flare-up
process of Sirius(B) that may have taken place <264 million years ago,
as perhaps more than likely a few thousand or conceivably even a few
hundred years might have been the sufficient initial gravity sequence
for such a massive molecular cloud to collapse and spawn such stars,
especially if there were sufficient gravity seed to begin with.
In other words, for pretty much the same reason Sirius(A) is so
freaking bright (as well as Sirius(B) having previously gone through
its red supergiant phase and helium flashover or soft-nova to boot),
there simply was no passive dim sun for any billion some odd initial
years so that our Venus could have been a wet Eden like environment.
If anything, for at least a while our sun had likely been extra big
(<2.5e30 kg at first) and subsequently active enough to help keep Mars
thawed out, if not tropical.
Once that proto-stellar gravity takes hold and starts to compress all
of those molecular hydrogen and helium atoms into becoming a bonafide
star, it is not likely to offer as slow or any soft fusion ignition
sequence as you might think, and especially not if there was ever a
gravity seed to start with when that terrific molecular cloud showed
up.
Our own original molecular cloud may have been worth 2.5e33<2.5e36 kg,
and most of it (<99.9999%) has to be still out there because, 0.1 c is
about as fast as such molecular clouds can move or expand away from a
slow-nova or stellar fusion start-up. This means its outer most shell
or furthest shockwave radius is only at most 450 million years out,
although I might also tend to believe it has only managed as little
expansion as 45 million years out because, 1% c is also a reasonably
good velocity for dispersing such molecular mass.
For this same deductive reasoning, that Sirius molecular/nebula cloud
of considerably greater initial mass (<3e37 kg) should still be within
as little as a few million light years out, a fraction of the distance
modern telescopes record molecular cloud details and cosmic molecular
interactions on a regular basis. So, I believe can we safely suggest
that a good portion of our mainstream accepted physics on behalf of
stellar creation is at least somewhat bogus, if not dysfunctional.
How much of the CMBR is actually offering that same expanding noise of
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Is not cloud water the same as planet water?
According to the ESA Herschel infrared space observatory and NASA’s
SWAS, there’s even a icy/water saturated disk surrounding certain
massive red giant carbon stars like IRC+10216, that somehow manage to
use their buckyballs to help create and hold ice/water.
http://www.spacetoday.org/DeepSpace/Stars/WaterWater/WaterWater.html
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2010/09/02/Mystery-of-stars-cloud-of-water-solved/UPI-85521283468396/
“The star is surrounded by a huge cloud of dust and gas, and
astronomers say ultraviolet light from surrounding stars is reaching
deep into the dust cloud and breaking up molecules such as carbon
monoxide and silicon monoxide. This releases oxygen atoms that then
attach themselves to hydrogen molecules, forming water.”
"This is the only mechanism that explains the full range of the
water's temperature," Leen Decin of Katholieke Universiteit Leuven,
Belgium, said.
“The closer to the star the water is formed, the hotter it will be, he
said. This is a good example of how better instruments can change our
picture completely," Decin said.
Speaking of better instruments changing everything we once thought we
knew, whereas surrounding Venus from roughly 35 km to 65 km or 40 to
70 km is the considerable 30 km band and subsequent volume worth of
dense acidic clouds and their upper/lower haze, that together
represents a rather significant volume (1.4e19 m3), and subsequent
potential wet acidic mass that's surrounding the planet Venus. Where
exactly did that unusual mass of water come from, and why hasn’t it
been simply blown away by those solar winds?
How much of our planet Venus is made of carbon, or giving off carbon?
Even at a conservative average density of 1 kg/m3 = 1.4e16 tonnes of
ideal gasses or something (including S8/sulfur) that is always held
within them wet clouds, is not exactly insignificant.
Within a toasty atmosphere that’s mostly CO2 and working with 90%
gravity, if those acidic molecules of which water saturation were just
33% of those other ideal gasses/vapors, perhaps that portion of h2o
becomes worth 4.62e15 tonnes, and even 10% of that is still 462
teratonnes, which seems terribly conservative as to how much water
that atmospheric volume easily represents.
Earth’s wussy atmosphere that’s roughly 1% as dense, much colder and
having 10% greater gravity than Venus, still manages to hold 50<100
teratonnes of water. As our global warming trend continues to thaw
our remaining glacial ice and otherwise evaporates surface water at an
ever increasing rate, that ideal gas/vapor density of water saturation
should eventually exceed 100 teratonnes, as perhaps representing 2+%
of the atmospheric mass and becoming not a very nice place to live
unless you are sufficiently rich and powerful.
On Earth “A useful rule of thumb is that the maximum absolute humidity
doubles for every 20 °F (11.1 °C) increase in temperature.” and “Water
vapor is a lighter gas than air at the same temperature, so humid air
will tend to rise by natural convection.” So perhaps that atmosphere
of Venus must be similar.
The atmosphere of Venus in Earth tonnes is supposedly worth 5.3e20 kg,
or roughly a little over a hundred times greater than what we on Earth
have to work with. So, it’s not terribly mind-blowing to consider
that a Venus atmosphere can offer a great deal of atmospheric water as
well as hosting any number of heavier elements, but none the less
weird is that our best teams of wizards still can’t figure it out.
In order to keep us village idiots confused and/or dumbfounded and
thus easily snookered, they (NASA and our peers) have used the limited
scale height method instead of taking the whole atmosphere into
account, and thereby extensively ignoring or excluding anything that’s
above 16 km.
Scale height defines the distance over which the pressure drops by
37%, which kinda excludes the other 63% that holds most of the water.
In the case of Venus, that scale height of 96 –35.5 bar is 60.5, bar
which is situated well below them clouds. Below the clouds there’s
perhaps only 25<100 ppm water depending on altitude as well as
somewhat skewed by day or night. In other words, atmospheric “scale
height” usage is nearly meaningless or rather intentionally misleading
when applied to Venus.
In that dense and complex molecular atmosphere having 10% less
gravity, acidic water vapor is actually quite buoyant, especially if
it’s warm as it floats above a robust atmospheric layer of S8(sulfur
buckyballs). In other words, the lower and nearly crystal dry and
much hotter atmosphere of what’s near that geothermally heated Venus
surface is considerably compressed as much denser than the upper water
of that moist atmosphere that’s much cooler, even going cryogenic by
their season of nighttime.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Is not cloud water the same as planet water?
According to the ESA Herschel infrared space observatory and NASA’s
SWAS, there’s even a icy/water saturated disk surrounding certain
massive red giant carbon stars like IRC+10216, that somehow manage to
use their carbon buckyballs to help create and hold ice/water.
http://www.spacetoday.org/DeepSpace/Stars/WaterWater/WaterWater.html
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2010/09/02/Mystery-of-stars-cloud-of-water-solved/UPI-85521283468396/
“The star is surrounded by a huge cloud of dust and gas, and
astronomers say ultraviolet light from surrounding stars is reaching
deep into the dust cloud and breaking up molecules such as carbon
monoxide and silicon monoxide. This releases oxygen atoms that then
attach themselves to hydrogen molecules, forming water.”
"This is the only mechanism that explains the full range of the
water's temperature," Leen Decin of Katholieke Universiteit Leuven,
Belgium, said.
“The closer to the star the water is formed, the hotter it will be, he
said. This is a good example of how better instruments can change our
picture completely," Decin said.
Speaking of better instruments changing everything we once thought we
knew, whereas surrounding Venus from roughly 35 km to 65 km or 40 to
70 km is the considerable 30 km deep band and subsequent volume worth
of dense acidic clouds and their upper/lower haze, that together
represents a rather significant volume (1.4e19 m3), and thereby a wet
acidic mass that's surrounding the planet Venus. Where exactly did
that unusual mass of water come from, and why hasn’t it been simply
boiled off and/or blown away by those solar winds?
How much of our planet Venus is made of carbon, or giving off carbon?
Even at a conservative average density of 1 kg/m3 = 1.4e16 tonnes of
ideal gasses or something (including S8/sulfur) plus water that is
always held within them reflective clouds, is not exactly
insignificant.
In that dense and complex molecular atmosphere and having 10% less
gravity, warm/hot acidic water vapor is actually quite buoyant,
especially if it’s still warm enough to remain as a vapor as it floats
above a robust atmospheric layer of S8(sulfur buckyballs). In other
words, the lower and nearly crystal dry and much hotter atmosphere of
what’s near that geothermally heated Venus surface is considerably
compressed, as much denser than the water saturation of that moist
upper atmosphere that’s much cooler, even going cryogenic by their
season of nighttime.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Is Venus a forbidden planet?
Perhaps it might as well be. Outside of K12 textbook gibberish plus
all the usual eyecandy and public media infomercial hype that’s
mainstream touted and peer flatulated as though it’s the one and only
interpretation that matters, it seems Venus actually isn’t all that
technically insurmountable, and it most certainly isn’t the least bit
mineral, water or energy resource deficient, so therefore it must be
NASA and DARPA taboo or voodoo forbidden.
Up until I’d informed our NASA as of December 2000, as to what looked
entirely out of place within that terrific radar obtained image data
from one of our spendy public funded missions, namely our Magellan
mission as having SAR obtained quality surface images and subsequently
those having been offered to the public as a composite GIF format of
36 confirming looks/scans per pixel, whereas ever since the systematic
denials, applied obfuscation, banishment and topic/author stalking
became their tactical damage-control policy norm, of this and most
every other science/astronomy related forum, and our NASA was
perfectly good with that.
How did the natural geology and surface morphing or erosion evolution
of such nifty mountainous, plus lava and mud erosion formed terrain
for such an actively hot planet that’s getting rid of 20.5 w/m2 (Earth
losing <128 mw/m2), ever manage to accomplish those seemingly
intelligent looking logistics and structural like attributes, that
look as though offering a perfectly rational community like
infrastructure?
Is mother nature capable of looking that intelligent?
Is natural geology capable of looking that intelligent?
Is there anything similar on Earth or that of some other planet that’s
perfectly natural offering that same or larger scale and complexity?
Should the best interpreted geology that’s peer accepted most
everywhere else you’d care to look, along with those regular laws of
physics and the best other available science simply not apply to the
planet Venus?
Should I get LeapFrog to publish this investigative research along
with my deductive observationology as a glossy and colorful pop-up
book of similar eyecandy, so that our mainstream needy and often
public funded dysfunctionals of less than 5th grade mindsets can
scratch and sniff for themselves?
NASA Magellan:
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/magellan/
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/mission_page/VN_Magellan_page1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/magellan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magellan_probe
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/browse_frm/thread/76ced0ffd7f6e03f?hl=en#
For all we know, our all-inclusive NASA and their various cabals of
special interest and insider groups (including DARPA) doesn't actually
know squat, just like they don't seem to know or much less share all
the public-funded science data about our physically dark moon/Selene,
nor are they into sharing as to why their interpretation of Newtonian
laws say that we supposedly are not unavoidably associated with the
still massive Sirius star/solar system, or even why the planet Venus
has been losing its 20.5 w/m2 and otherwise hosting what looks as
though it were populated by something rather intelligent and quite
rational about a planet with local water and sufficient renewable
local energy, whereas almost any such planet or moon (hot or cold)
becomes humanly survivable, as long as our doing such in the buff
isn’t considered an option.
Not only is there 500<5000 teratonnes of easily accessible water (with
always more on the way), Venus should also have loads of renewable
energy to burn (so to speak), extensively in the form of easily
induced vertical isothermal-dynamic wind that can just as easily be
routed so as to exit though a radial turbine.
Solar updraft towers of as little as 200 meters on Earth can with good
design obtain an unobstructed up-draft of <15 m/s.
http://www.1000friendsofflorida.org/Solar/The_Solar_Updraft.pdf
http://climatelab.org/Solar_Updraft_Towers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooling_tower
“Natural draft, which utilizes buoyancy via a tall chimney. Warm,
moist air naturally rises due to the density differential to the dry,
cooler outside air. Warm moist air is less dense than drier air at the
same pressure. This moist air buoyancy produces a current of air
through the tower.”
This next link is still pertaining to our wussy terrestrial
atmospheric applications.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/natural-draught-ventilation-d_122.html
“Australia power company Enviro-mission ltd. hopes to build a 1,000
meter (3,300 feet) solar tower in south west new South Wales state, a
structure that would be more than twice the height of Malaysia's
Petron's Towers, the world's tallest building. The plant having seven
kilometer roof diameter and 1 km chimney height, and a 3 meter
distance at outer periphery and 25 m distance at inner periphery of
solar collector roof. And which it allows to sucked hot air through 32
turbines which generate power 24 hrs a day having output expected to
650 GW/yrs.” (that’s only an average of 74.2 MW/hr because that sun
keeps going up and down and otherwise remains effectively kaput for
nearly 60% of the time)
Of course on Venus there’s hardly any significant solar influx
reaching the surface, therefore no need of having to bother with any
surrounding glass roofed solar collector, because just collecting
surface thermal energy off the ground itself (day or night) that’s
perpetually heated from within at 20.5 w/m2 (plus given whatever
geothermal vents with their added [z] worth of compressibility should
have to offer) applied along with its vertical 10 K/km and 4.1 bar/km
differentials should literally blow our renewable energy socks off.
As long as the compressible gas flow of that extremely high density
and surface heated medium is kept routed within the vertical up-draft
chimney, there’s simply no way for it to equalize until it exits out
the top, such as venting out through a very large diameter radial
turbine as it suddenly cools and expands. In other words, this kind
of natural resource is not an insignificant amount of renewable energy
that can be easily scaled to suit.
Add a good geothermal surface vent as providing a serious increase of
thermal differential, as well as having a terrific gas density volume
that should include the S8 vapor worth 300 kg/m3, plus whatever
initial surface exit velocity as the ultimate kicker, whereas lo and
behold you’ve got as much renewable energy (by day or night) as you
could possibly want. Remember that a km tall updraft tower on Venus
is surrounded by a toasty surface that’s offering 20.5 w/m2 of
geothermal energy in addition to whatever gaseous vent(s) that
shouldn’t be hard to find on such a geologically active planet like
Venus, could represent more substantial energy than anyone is prepared
to deal with..
Imagine what a dysfunctional BP wellhead BOP on Venus could be putting
out, as a geothermally hot and fast geyser discharge of toxic oily
sulfur and extremely dense gasses (radioactive to boot) at <12 Venus
tonnes/sec (13 Earth tonnes/sec) and just as likely more than
scorching hot at <400 K above those surface ambient temperatures of
735 K. A medium geothermal gaseous vent on Venus could easily spew <4
m3/sec at 1024 kg (3,686 t/hr) and <1035 K that’s exiting at <200 bar,
and no way would you want to be caught downwind from any of that power
turbine discharge. Is there any reason(s) to think Venus doesn’t have
such geothermal vents?
In order for that planet to sustain its heavy atmosphere that’s least
dense on top and otherwise unprotected from those terrific solar
winds, by rights this should demand venting perhaps 100 tonnes/sec,
because most of whatever composites of mineral and water vapors that
comes out (just like right here on Earth) doesn’t leave the planet.
Perhaps at most 10% gets lost to space, as opposed to Earth losing
only a tonne/sec (mostly helium and hydrogen).
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Has Venus got intelligent other life? (compared to Earth, how hard
could that possibly be?)
Intelligent other life need not be as socially dysfunctional, as faith-
based voodoo or as radio/microwave capable as us in order to count,
such as 99.9% of Earth’s human intelligence that took place as of
prior to our having radio, and perhaps even including before having
airships of various kinds would be more than sufficient. Such other
life can simply be evolved differently (intellectually ahead or
technically far behind us), as well as those created via directed
panspermia or as having been directly deployed by whatever visiting
ETs (exactly as we’d be doing), except along with instructions as to
avoid Earth interactions at all cost, as having pretty much exactly
the same precautionary policy as if we had mastered similar
interplanetary/interstellar travel capability, would suggest while
remaining nearby as stealth or otherwise hidden from whatever weird
species shouldn’t be all that difficult, especially if the other
nearby populated planet were as dumbfounded heathen, voodoo satanic
and otherwise socially/politically dysfunctional as Earth, might seem
rather obvious to not interact with such screwed up and thus
irrational creatures.
This cloaked form of neighborly deception would be the easiest to
enforce if a few of our trained spooks/moles could be established on
that heathen populated planet(Earth), as infiltrated into positions of
authority just in case certain public perception damage-controls
needed to be implemented, as well as for keeping those silly and
highly superstitious heathens as preoccupied with matters of their
religions intolerance of one another, plus if need be causing bogus
and/or false flagged wars, greed and hording and especially focused
upon near anything other than accomplishing off-world matters that
could interfere with our own operations.
Ask yourself and of others that usually claim knowing everything;
Compared to Earth, what sort of essential and/or raw elements and
energy doesn’t the planet Venus have to offer? (best available science
can’t seem to exclude anything, so perhaps Venus is within reason
offering similar elements and even those somewhat chemically and
geologically similar to early Earth in more ways than any other planet
or moon)
With a crust thickness of perhaps 5<20 km that’s roughly as little as
half that of Earth (5 km in deep ocean basins <70 km under mountains),
and Venus being somewhat more geologically active, as well as having a
higher percentage of mantel plus more than its fair share of iron than
Earth, and if there’s anything solid under its thin lithosphere/crust,
are such raw elements going to be harder or easier to come by?
Since most terrestrial hydrocarbons are extensively not made from once
living fossils, then why shouldn’t Venus have its fair share of those
hydrocarbons?
Radioactive elements starting with Thorium (Th232) are certainly not
unique to Earth. In fact they are relatively common place, and thus
should also exist on Venus to the same or logically greater extent.
From what can be seen and easily enough interpreted, it seems the
planet Venus has been at least in one mountainous terrain location
utilized by others (if not by its own intelligent kind), and I’m still
not having to deductively interpret anything into those SAR obtained
images of 36 confirming looks or radar scans per composite pixel, that
isn’t of some real part of whatever’s actually there to behold.
There’s never any argument from myself that Venus is seriously too hot
and nasty for us as naked humans, but that doesn’t exclude whatever
reasonably intelligent individuals could accomplish in spite of all
that pressure, toxic atmosphere and geothermal heat. For all we know
there could actually be a Venusian human species that’s on average
smarter than Einstein, though not that most any 5th grader wouldn’t be
smart enough to survive Venus, because surviving upon such a planet
with suitable technology and unlimited local resources simply isn’t
rocket science.
If a planet nearly the size of Earth and most likely as loaded with
similar elements, plus having loads of its own renewable energy to
burn (so to speak), and even hosting at least 500 teratonnes of easily
accessible water, if it were discovered as parked within a nearby
orbit that was merely 100 fold lunar distant from us, seems most of
our mainstream silly naysay kind of parrot mindsets still wouldn't
bother to interpret a damn thing, no matters how proof-positive or
otherwise SAR pixel trustworthy those surface images were made of
(just like all of our ARPA/DARPA and NASA/Apollo missions never once
noticed or much less had accomplished any one of their unfiltered
Kodak moments from orbit or from its physically dark surface that ever
included the nearby planet Venus, and yet try to go figure this
because, supposedly they all saw those Muslim WMD as though clear and
plain as day).
In spite of all the usual mainstream gauntlet of systematic
obfuscation, naysay and denial as their flack, here’s some of my
further refinements or investigative polishing of those Venus airship
numbers, as to what a composite rigid airship has to offer, along with
some weird fun stuff that makes our doing Venus even more interesting
for those few of us with “the right stuff”.
The local sport of Extreme Sky Diving on Venus; Starting from 75 km
you can safely body-surf your way to the ground without a parachute.
(WARNING) this extreme sport is not an approved activity for naked or
otherwise dumbfounded humans, however, include a suitably protective
suit and if need be inflate a small balloon instead of a parachute,
whereas lo and behold you can float yourself above that toasty surface
indefinitely. Given a suitable combination or hybrid inflated
parachute and you’ve got the best threesome of sky-diving, hang
gliding and ballooning worlds.
Obviously our human physiology can’t so quickly adjust to that extent
of pressure change within any few hours or possibly days worth of any
sky-diving form of atmospheric buoyancy, density and reduced gravity
controlled descent, although it’s just given as an example of the
practical aspects of peer accepted physics that are available to
benefit most anything else you’d care to accomplish without having to
directly expose your frail body to such sudden pressure/temperature
extremes, not to mention you’d need assistance getting enough O2 w/o
ingesting too much CO2 or S8 (physiology wise the frail human body can
adjust to almost any pressure environment, although there are certain
other considerations of extremes that’ll require applied physics and
our best technology in order to master what the Venus environment has
to offer)
However, given a few months to gradually adjust our physiology to
accepting the average 94~96 bar pressure seems more than doable, at
least manageable enough to start off with, whereas shifting +/- 1 km
is by itself a +/- 4.1 bar variation that could remain problematic
unless the extensive use of breathing 99% hydrogen and 1% O2 is what
makes that transition easier to cope with. (should be little if any
need for nitrogen)
VENUS got BUOYANCY:
“Any object, wholly or partially immersed in a fluid, is buoyed up by
a force equal to the weight of the fluid displaced by the object.” –
Archimedes of Syracuse
Of course China probably knew of this nifty buoyancy physics as of at
least 12,000 BP, or roughly as of when out of nowhere those rather
unusual little Dropa/Dzopa wizards showed up. However, it seems that
most of our devoted mainstreamers still haven’t got a clue.
This buoyancy usage thing about Venus is truly something extra special
to appreciate, considering its unusually thick atmosphere that yields
65 kg/m3, plus its 0.905 gravity puts a whole new spin or
interpretation as to those geothermal upwelling vents that can spew
various mineral saturated vapors, as well as brines and those
superheated gasses almost like a fire hose or water cannon shoots its
stream of water here on Earth. This could make for some interesting
fluid arch like displays that would boggle the average parrot mindset
that normally can’t think outside their terrestrial K-12 mainstream
box. In other words, of what comes out of a Venus geyser doesn’t have
to be solids of mud or lava in order to become visible to radar
imaging that has given us the most truth-worthy pixels thus far, as to
indicating what Venus has to offer.
Try hard to also remember that for every –1 km below the given average
elevation picks up another 4.1 bar (roughly 60 psi and at least 2.2
extra kg/m3 buoyancy) plus there’s another thermal increase of 10+ K
worth of upwelling geothermal heat that’s continually radiated at 20.5
w/m2 from the toasty ground up, and because the pressure is not only
greater but also the density of that mostly CO2 atmosphere further
compresses towards becoming a supercritical fluid, unlike the density
of ocean water that hardly compresses or changes its liquid density by
more than 0.466% at 96 bar (less affected at higher temperatures
unless it’s pressure phase shifting to/from vapor).
There’s roughly a 14 km difference between the highest and lowest
surface elevations of +10.8 and –3.2 km. This makes the likely
maximum surface bottom pressure of 106 bar (+/- a few percent
depending on day or night), and perhaps worth <74 kg/m3 buoyancy
within all that hot CO2 plus elements of S8/sulfur vapor taken into
account. Of course the per kg adjusted mass of anything inert,
reactive or living as us humans from Earth is only worth 0.905 kg on
Venus, so that’s another one that’s better (not worse).
For those unfamiliar with composite rigid airships (none of which
exist on Earth) is common place hubris (as a traditional mix of
arrogance, stupidity and belligerency that are each Ig Nobel Prize
worthy), because most faith-based naysayers as well as pretend-
Atheists are technically bogus as well as expertise dysfunctionals
that simply can’t think outside of their K-12 indoctrinated mindset.
The notions of composite rigid airship usage is actually providing a
seriously darn good form of Venus transportation for locals, ETs or
us, that’s perfectly energy efficient and substantial payload hauling
capable. Even potentially cruising above them thick acidic clouds
isn’t technically insurmountable, although extremely bumpy and testy
getting there and safely back down again may be pushing that modified
airship envelope. As the airship ascends it gets tonnes lighter
because of less H2 pressure required and the amount of its propulsion
fuel consumed could easily drop 100<1000 tonnes (depending on mass and
drag) before reaching 75 km.
There are a number of observationology indications of large airships
(at least a couple seem parked on that complex tarmac), although it’s
fair to be calling it a highly subjective interpretation unless you’d
care to otherwise explain away all those other items that seem as
though perfectly unnatural, as instead interpreting those of merely
unusual geology formations that exist nowhere else seems even more
subjective. As otherwise it makes for perfectly logical as well as
common/rational sense for Venusians or whatever ETs (including us) to
have such rigid composite airships for most any application, because
technically it’s quite doable and it’s not even rocket science.
Do the airship buoyancy math yourself, and see how much you can manage
to safely float in that toasty atmospheric soup (except avoiding those
upper nighttime clouds where it gets seriously windy and cryogenic).
With some work remaining, here’s my latest shot at it, along with
revisions because I’ve made a few of those pesky mistakes, such as by
not having accounted for the 537 tonne mass of hydrogen at the
necessary pressure and temperature. Being conservative, I’ve also
given this composite rigid airship the inert/dry mass of 190 Venus
tonnes (210 Earth tonnes which is 62% heavier than LZ129, though I’d
doubt we’d need to add more than 33% to its inert mass once everything
is taken into account).
http://www.peacesoftware.de/einigewerte/co2_e.html
A million m3 = 65,000,000 kg (65,000 tonnes) that you can push around
by hand, however LZ129 (Hindenburg at 130 Earth tonnes of dry/inert
mass) held <211,890 m3 of hydrogen which gave a gross terrestrial
payload of 112.1 tonnes to work with, and if that same volume of gas
were utilized on Venus using a substantially robust (roughly 162%
inert heavier) composite rigid airship would provide <13,050 Venus
tonnes of payload (at 0.905 gravity is the same as hauling 14,420
Earth tonnes), and that’s like hauling 62 fully loaded 787-8s at 210
Venus tonnes each, and using perhaps as little as 1024 KW to move that
Venus Hindenburg of 727 tonnes plus its 13,050 tonne payload (13,777
Venus gross tonnage) along at 25 m/sec (90 km/hr), because the
friction isn’t going to be all that great. Even if it took four times
as much energy (4096 KW), that’s no big deal.
Also consider that Venus aerodynamics is going to act as though it
were nearly hydrodynamic, thus making for a great deal of improved
airfoil and/or propulsion control from using relatively small area
control surfaces and ducted thrusters. My advice is that you be a
good topic contributing sport and see if you can find those same Venus
airships as I have (at least one of them I’ve interpreted as easily
packing well over 1e6 m3 of hydrogen), or offer some airship research
that could be applied to that toasty Venus environment.
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Those pesky volcanic gasses are perking out volumes of scorching got
solids and gasses just about everywhere on Venus, and many of those
active geothermal vents don’t stop migrating their vertical discharge
until those thermodynamics and buoyancy factors equalize within those
cool acidic clouds.
The hot rock (presumably as mostly basalt) and the much hotter
interior of Venus that is comprised extensively of hydrogen and always
some if not a lot of O2, plus there’s likely helium plus most any
other known gas or element vapors you’d care to name, except that each
of those stored at something far greater than 100 bar.
The crust/outer-lithosphere of Venus is still in places thin and
actively forming and thereby keeping the flow of complex gasses and
those raw elements active, whereas under the right conditions those
elements bind and subsequently emerge as various mineral, brines,
salts or acidic forms of H2O packing along any number of complex
vapors and near solid compositions of various elements, such as
including CO, CO2 and of course always a few nifty metallic elements
plus always loads of good old sulfuric acid (h2so4), as well as just
contributing H2O2 plus always those raw vapors of S8, and of course as
H2S. Exiting the surface at >100 bar and <300 K above the local
atmospheric temperature, whereas there could be at least 25,000 ppm h2
and <250,000 ppm O2 trapped within such basalt, geode pockets and
layers of all that geothermally made hot basalt, and then of course
there’s actual lava that should offer a scorching treasure trove of
wonderful stuff.
Most of every conceivable element that Earth and our moon/Selene has
to offer should be easily available and in terrific volumes from
Venus. This is not to say that raw ore should ever be shipped back to
Earth, but instead finished products and/or 100% pure alloys that are
becoming harder or too spendy to obtain here on Earth should also be
the case.
Is there any critical element that a planet like Venus does not have?
Saul Levy
CUT YOUR SHIT DOWN, FOOL!
I posted the whole DAMN THING!
Saul Levy
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
The notion of keeping secrets is perhaps one of the best ways of
gaining mainstream attention, because everyone loves being that first
messenger of secretive news that no one else has. It’s a form of
intellectual greed, hording and bragging rights that’s worth more than
gold.
“In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act.” / George Orwell
or
"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary
act..” / George Orwell
and always these zingers:
"Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common
sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically
help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining
outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not
with me is against me." / George Orwell
“If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn’t be called research, would
it?” / Einstein
While you’re at it, check out the July/August Discover published topic
of "The Streetlight Effect" by David H. Freedman. It points out how
dead wrong mainstream can actually be most of the time, and why it's
likely to stay that way.
http://www.freedman.com/
http://www.freedman.com/articles/DiscStreetlight.pdf
In the case of our resident redneck Hagar and his father rabbi Saul
Levy that speaks loud and clear for all Jews, whereas Hagar being the
warm and fuzzy redneck wizard of his Section-8 trailer park, there are
no such streetlights because all the bulbs have been busted out, and
their wiring plus even the poles taken for scrap or firewood.
btw; like Einstein and a few other peers we commonly admire have been
known to be wrong, although I’ve never stooped to having beaten my
wife, so perhaps I’ll never be quite as good as Einstein.
http://oudeis23.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/einstein-arrested-twice-in-1906-for-domestic-violence/
There's always these two classics:
”Whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with
it." / Max Planck
It seems there’s always a lot of very smart dead people, whereas
apparently if you’re still alive, whatever you might have to say or
offer isn’t worth squat. And btw; there’s still a very deep dark
secret about those intelligent ETs existing/coexisting on the planet
Venus (at least technically there’s ample logistics and applied
technology of something intelligent as having been surviving within
that geothermally toasty environment, which is obviously not the least
bit insurmountable for the average 5th grader, but naturally that too
is another dark and scary secret that we can’t tell anyone about).
At least I can still say with perfectly honest convictions, there's
multiple deductive and perfectly logical reasons as to interpret that
Venus has had some kind of intelligent other life, and subsequently
you and most faith-based mindset others must proceed to do everything
possible in order to disqualify and/or to banish that thought.
Humans of Earth are worth roughly 1 ppm of this complex global
biodiversity, and the other 99.9999% of Earth’s biodiversity still
does not have the slightest capability of radio, even though their
existence is far more important and/or essential than us humans,
because they were all doing just perfectly fine and dandy until we
came along. Perhaps 99.9% of modern human genetics and its supposed
intelligence took place long before we had mastered radio that was
sufficiently capable of being off-world detected, so having radio/
microwave or especially laser capability is hardly an argument on
behalf of any benchmark requirement for off-world intelligence.
On Venus and besides that rather interesting fluid arch that shouldn’t
exist (but it does exist because there’s simply no other viable
explanation), along with multiple other nearby considerations that
still interpret as looking entirely unnatural, and you should know
what else is seriously darn interesting; there's most likely acidic
hydrocarbons on Venus (similar to BP’s oily sulfur), and as you should
know as a 5th grader that it's quite easy to process out whatever
sulfurs and most anything else (including h2o), especially easy when
there’s always an unlimited local supply of renewable energy to work
with.
Take another closer look-see at what those fairly enormous reservoirs
contain, as offering something that’s very SAR signal absorbing. Can
those 36 confirming radar signals or scans per composite pixel so
easily lie to us? (I seriously don’t think so)
At any rate, this ongoing research and shared information about the
planet Venus is all a very dark and scary secret, as well as having
been officially taboo/nondisclosure rated stuff, so whatever you do,
don’t tell anyone because they’ll only have to kill you.
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
At least technically speaking, most items out there as having been
fending for themselves in space, as such either have water/ice or at
least manage to contain the molecular makings of water/ice, such as
even our naked and seemingly crystal dry moon that's so physically
dark supposedly has <50 ppm, which is 37e12 tonnes of h2o within its
mass, plus whatever billions of raw ice tonnage that's supposedly
hidden within its polar craters of supposedly having been kept at less
than 25 K temperature because the moon itself is nearly without
residual core energy.
Those acidic clouds and hazy portions of the of Venus atmosphere
(roughly situated between 40 to 70 km) offers a 30 km thickness and
terrific volume of worthy h2o saturation to work with, as whatever's
being held as acidic water within 1.4e19 m3. So it's not terribly
hard to deductively interpret as to how much h2o should be available,
along with obviously more of the same on the way.
If the average cloud and haze density were accepted as a conservative .
6 kg/m3, and if only 25% of that density were h2o is worth 2100e12
tonnes, or even half that amount is still 1050e12 tonnes. More likely
the average density is actually closer to .75 kg/m3, and the water
saturation closer to 33%, but either way you should get the gist of
this message loud and clear that Venus has always had loads of water
to burn (so to speak).
Try to remember that the local gravity and at such altitude is only
worth 0.9, so that a molecular kg of water is only worth 900 Venus
grams, as well as most everything else has to float a whole lot better
due to the physics of buoyancy and of course thermodynamics.
Besides the easily accessible 512<4096 teratonnes of water within them
acidic clouds of Venus, there's also a good many signs of complex
intelligent life to be found, as well as there’s life on/within Earth
that’s even primitive enough to be a billion years older than any of
our unrelated humanoid genetics can muster, as well as still surviving
as they always have where there's extremely high pressure and hot as
hell (much greater then Venus), surviving within their surrounding
habitats of extremely low to nearly zilch amounts of O2 plus even
managing where it's seriously damn hot, and that’s complex life
without any direct benefit of solar photons.
At least while on Venus your frail DNA/RNA of complex genetics are
given a hundred fold better shield from local, solar and cosmic
radiation of the bad kind, as well as always at the very least ten
fold better protected from being whacked by meteors or asteroid rocks
that would hardly make a dent in that geothermally made roaster
surface.
Brad Guth / Blog and Google document pages:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Venus got nuclear elements, minerals and hydrocarbons: (sure thing, as
why the hell shouldn’t an Earth like planet that’s so nearby offer
similar elements)
Mining operations and whatever logistics on Venus becomes a breeze
when you’ve got heavy lift composite rigid airships to work with, plus
having unlimited kinds of local energy at your disposal isn’t none too
shabby. Unlike Earth, Venus isn’t running out of hardly anything that
matters, nor is its environment artificially polluted.
A rigid composite airship for Venus would certainly be more complex
than anything we’ve put to work here on Earth, although the simplicity
of a composite shell that’s made as tough and nicely insulated and
otherwise as acid proof as need be, really isn’t all that hard to
master, at least it’s not an issue in Airship Engineering–101. Not
that an arc-jet that burn CO2 isn’t viable, but otherwise using
renewable h2o2 plus whatever hydrocarbon synfuel along with the HTP
also isn’t any great secret nor all that hard to accidentally stumble
upon via random trial and error, although their having a nuclear
powered craft might be a somewhat unexpected discovery. Therefore
giving the 1e6 m3 of an H2 displaced buoyancy capable airship as much
ducted fan thrust as needed isn’t an insurmountable problem, and
especially if we’re using an 8:1 L/W ratio means that practical
cruising speeds of 50 m/sec shouldn’t be all that hard to muster, as
well as obtaining <75 m/sec cruising speed, or that of a greater power
assisted <100 m/sec. There’s certainly no fuel payload limitations
for safely operating below them nasty clouds, whereas flying below 25
km should remain relatively clear and calm.
A composite rigid airship that’s properly configured at a somewhat
reduced mass and given greater speed for cruising above those
nighttime cryogenic clouds at <200 m/sec at maximum altitude (65+ km)
seems entirely doable. This airship application would obviously be a
somewhat payload limited and perhaps even as a mostly robotic flown
craft using remote operators, but it certainly could be accomplished
for operating at <75 km (possibly a little higher by day) and
otherwise flown as low as 60 km in order to remain well enough above
the atmospheric vortex of either pole.
Btw; it’s almost as though the toasty surface geology of Venus that’s
orbiting past us within 100 LD every 19 months, has long been
considered by worthy geologists as roughly having the same evolved
250<300e6 year age as Sirius(B), so by rights there should be lots of
newish elements to easily pick from. Not to worry that our Earth is
running itself more than a little hydrocarbon short, as well as a few
too many other nifty elements that are either in short supply or
measurably depleted as well as much of everything getting spendy,
polluted and more thawed out by the year. So perhaps exploring and
occupying Venus for all its worth can wait another century, as similar
to ignoring whatever our unusually naked moon/Selene has to offer
(inside, outside or even that of utilizing its nifty L1), because we
wouldn’t want to upset the mostly GOP Semitic approved mainstream
status quo of their local greed, hording and profiteering w/o remorse
that some of us lucky ones have going for ourselves, as well as
regardless of how extra polluted, stormier and hotter it gets Earth
isn’t their problem.
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Notice how after 10+ years and counting, there's still not one equal
or better digital enlargement of this very interesting site. It's
exactly as though the mostly Semite peers and their brown-nosed
minions that have always been in charge of most everything, are
absolutely dumbfounded as well as scared to death of what this SAR
obtained image depicts.
If you simply can not bring yourself to accomplish a basic image
enlargement, or much less interpret any part of it for yourself, then
perhaps you need not bother looking at any other astronomy or NASA
science published eyecandy, because if an SAR obtained image of 36
confirming scans per composite pixel isn't trustworthy enough, then
perhaps nothing else is worth squat because it's simply not 10% as
objectively pixel truth-worthy to begin with.
Just because Venus water is mostly to be found as having been
saturated within them acidic clouds and their upper/lower layers of
haze is not really a logistical mission problem, for the same reason
our atmosphere is not a logistical problem for fish surviving in our
extremely O2 depleted and otherwise artificially polluted oceans,
rivers and lakes here on Earth.
On the surface of Venus, as little as 0.5% O2 is biologically
manageable as is, and that’s without special technology applied for
other than easily displacing the CO2 with H2, and even as little as
0.05% (500 ppm) could rather easily become sufficient O2 with applied
technology.
Replacing that toasty dry and thus inert CO2 and somewhat sulfur
saturated atmosphere with good old H2 that’s inert at such a low
percentage of O2, isn't hardly rocket science, nor is Venus the least
bit H2 depleted or for that matter the least bit h2o deficient
because, the vast bulk of those clouds simply are not made of crystal
dry dust.
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
What planet(s) in our solar system would visiting ETs select? (try to
remember that they already nailed interstellar travel and thus have
something a whole lot better than our terrestrial expertise)
It’s true, that to us Venus is nothing but an absolute hellhole
planet, especially if we're to be going there in the buff (naked), and
otherwise as technically snookered and thus easily dumbfounded
(meaning unprepared and otherwise w/o involving proper technology),
would certainly be a 100% correct assessment. So, I can fully
appreciate the persistent mainstream mindset of naysay and denial, or
their insurmountable dilemma that’s forever stuck in the obfuscation
approved past.
However, with a composite rigid airship (buoyant shuttle) that could
cruise efficiently and otherwise coast nearly effortlessly at the
altitudes of 25 to 35 km for 19+ months at a time, or if otherwise
situated as safely parked within a large complex of surface structures
that can be rather easily created from local materials and insulated
<R1024/m if need be, along with unlimited local energy and easily
obtained raw elements (including pure water extracted from multiple
geothermal vents or via those cool acidic clouds), as such I honestly
don't see any of the insurmountable problems that most others
obviously do.
Technology assisted life greatly extends the range and scope of off-
world environments sustaining complex human life, that can safely
exist/coexist well beyond our surface terrestrial limitations of what
we as naked humans are most familiar with.
Too bad that so many of us are not quite smart enough for Venus, or
even for creating a cool sort of Poof City as our next outpost/gateway
at Venus L2, whereas otherwise I could always use a few good wizards
like William Mook in order to figure out the many complex issues that
makes Venus such a challenge to those of us kept intentionally below
the level of our vast expertise potential. Perhaps Russia, China,
ISRO or JAXA can provide what I'm looking for.
1% of the total atmospheric volume as water is actually fairly
impressive, though even 0.1% would be capable of drowning most
everything in sight, considering that it’s atmospheric volume and mass
of 5e20 kg is so much greater than Earth’s. Using the scale height of
the Venus atmosphere that’s supposedly 15.9 km, is how our mainstream
science wizards manage to exclude such evidence of water and to
otherwise cheat by way of their sneaky mainstream science using only
whatever data suites their motives and hidden agenda. Below the scale
height of 16 km it is in fact extremely hot and relatively crystal
dry, and thus chemically passive, even though there’s a great amount
of humanly lethal S8 and water vapor on its way up.
“atmosphere of Venus are considerably dryer than corresponding
regions on Earth. The water content of the atmosphere is in the region
of 0.1 to 1 per cent of the total atmospheric gases by volume”
That 1% of the 5e20 kg of atmospheric mass is worth 5e18 kg of h2o, or
5e3 teratonnes of pure h2o. Even the lower estimate of 0.1% is still
worthy of 500 teratonnes in easily accessible water.
The surface environment of Venus simply isn’t the kind of
insurmountable hot you might think it is, and it’s certainly not
anything like what we’ve been told over and over by those in charge of
our mainstream science and public media that’s fully moderated by
those few in charge of telling us only what little data they care to
share.
Venus nighttime at the altitude of 80~90 km isn’t always so cryogenic,
as apparently there are thermal dynamic ribbons of a toasty stream
like flows of a relatively tropical atmospheric environment to
behold. I believe the following report has merely failed to properly
post their “30 to 70 C” as otherwise correctly stated as being –30 to –
70 C, but none the less that’s still downright toasty compared to the
usual –120 C.
“The Unexpected Temperature Profile Of Venus's Atmosphere”
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/The_Unexpected_Temperature_Profile_Of_Venus_Atmosphere_999.html
“Jean-Loup Bertaux, Service d'Aeronomie du CNRS, France, Ann-Carine
Vandaele, Institut d'Aeronomie Spatiale de Belgique, and colleagues
have now used Venus Express to discover an unexpectedly warm layer of
air on the planet's night-side. It sits between the altitudes of
90-120 km, a region that is generally so cold at night that scientists
often refer to it as Venus's cryosphere. The new measurements show
that the temperature excess ranges from 30 to 70C and peaks at an
altitude of 100 km.” (it’s unlikely their reporting error will be
corrected before getting extensively published in public science
journals and textbooks as is)
Venus - night-time temperatures in the atmosphere
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_0.html
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_1.html#subhead1
This following image/graphic of the Venus day/night thermal profiles
is even a little more intriguing to those of us interested in the
future prospects of our accomplishing Venus without getting our
composite rigid airship unnecessarily fried in the process.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg
Unfortunately, our future rigid airship sustained expedition cruising
altitude may have to be kept below 35 km (possibly as low as 25 km) by
season of nighttime, and thereby much hotter outside our composite
rigid airship in order to avoid the lower acidic cloud haze or fog,
and otherwise for escaping the bulk of those pesky retrograde winds.
However, along with a positive/constructive mindset, one can do
wonders within the regular laws of physics, especially when allowed to
use the best available science and deductive thinking along the way.
In other words, there’s nothing simple about the Venus atmosphere, but
at least there’s absolutely no question of where the vast bulk of
Venus heat is coming from, and it’s most certainly not by way of the
atmospheric greenhouse that’s merely contributing to a seriously
geothermal driven environment. Unfortunately, it’s ESA that mixes up
their Kelvin and Centigrade back and forth as though it really doesn’t
matter, thereby no wonder the errors in their science context that’ll
apparently get to stick no matters what.
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On behalf of Venus oxygen (O2) and what’s otherwise so geothermal of
such a newish kind of planetology environment, I’ve added a little
basic search information that even a smart preschool child could
probably accomplish on their little green laptop.
Planet 2 (Venus) would likely represent a tough crowd for a stand up
comedian, although it’s not technically insurmountable unless you had
a mainstream status quo mindset of perpetual denial and otherwise of
evidence exclusion (scientific intellectual form of their taking the
fifth).
Try using a LeapFrog Search: Venus oxygen or Venus volcanoes
http://images.google.com/images?q=venus%20oxygen&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
http://www.entertainmentandshowbiz.com/venus-express-searches-for-life-on-earth-200810193508
“We see water and molecular oxygen in Earth’s atmosphere, but Venus
also shows these signatures.”
http://jtintle.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/zoom-in-on-venus%e2%80%99-oxygen-airglow/
Zoom-in on Venus’ oxygen airglow
The published topics of old and new research goes on and on, though
probably not in sufficient LeapFrog eye-candy format for the mentally
disadvantaged, or in braille format for the sight impaired likes of
rusemasters and countless others suffering from a genetic disorder of
incurable denial and perpetual nayism. I believe the Venus O2 science
goes back nearly a couple of decades, to those having used narrow
bandpass optical filters, but never got anything mainstream published
until more recently. Even though this Venus O2 layer is well above
those acidic clouds, at least this means that it’s the oxygen that is
emerging from the planet to start off with.
Btw, not to discount those robust and fairly acidic clouds that would
easily provide 500 teratonnes of pure h2o, as well as subsequently
offering nearly unlimited amounts of o2, h2 and of all things nifty
would have to include the making of h2o2. Any good 5th grade science
class project would likely prove sufficient.
http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/project/virtis/venus-vol.html
“There are some 55,000 volcanoes larger than 1 km across identified
on Venus, spread over 646 volcano fields.”
http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/volcanoes/planet_volcano/venus/intro.html
“Venus has more volcanoes than any other planet in the solar system.
Over 1600 major volcanoes or volcanic features are known (see map),
and there are many, many more smaller volcanoes. (No one has yet
counted them all, but the total number may be over 100,000 or even
over 1,000,000).”
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf
Geothermal CO2+S8 gas vents, as interpreted within “An Alternate View
of Venus” by John Ackerman, and by rights this should have given
enough cause to those interested in learning the truth.
Would any of you good folks like to review and offer your best swag
(scientific wild ass guess) as to my Guth Venus "fluid arch", or is
this perfectly natural geological item still too closely associated
with my Guth Venus township or ET outpost of those fairly large and
complex looking structures and their major tarmac, as situated within
their rational community that’s clearly observable to those few of us
that might actually care?
I’ll try to have a little more to share about this nighttime
temperature, as the extremely need-to-know or nondisclosure science
eventually leaks its way out of their usual mainstream cloak of need-
to-know, perpetual denial, evidence exclusions and carefully
orchestrated deceptions. As you can readily see by the sorts of topic/
author stalking and systematic bashings taking place, it’s not easy
being honest or green.
~ Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
Saul Levy
YOU NEED TO BE KILLED, IDIOT!
Saul Levy
Saul Levy
I DELETED ALL OF THEM. MOSTLY UNREAD AS SHIT DOESN'T READ VERY WELL!
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
JUST LOOK AT HIS SHIT BELOW!
YOU ARE FUCKING INSANE, GOOFYSHIT!
Saul Levy
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Why wouldn’t those ETs working Venus for those easily accessible
minerals and raw elements, if worth half their salt have not also
intentionally planted or infiltrated themselves as a few spooks and
moles right here on Earth? (if I were such an ET that was smart enough
to tie my own shoelaces, at least that’s exactly what I’d be doing)
If I were the Big Kahuna ET in charge of mining Venus for all it's
worth, I'd certainly have established my trusty army of brown-nosed
clowns doing as much topic/author stalking and otherwise media
diversion via infowar tactics, and otherwise accomplishing as much
damage-control as necessary, especially if the nearby planet to Venus
was populated by the worse sorts of the most dumbfounded, arrogant as
hell, bigoted and faith-based voodoo as all get out and otherwise
downright nasty folks, exactly like some of us greedy and immoral
humans really are.
Good grief, for the most part you silly folks are not only colorblind
but you don’t even believe in radar imaging. Is that downright
pathetic or what. Obviously the radar imaging of Venus was not about
color/hue saturation, but about obtaining the most highly reliable and
nearly 3D imaging of its terrain, plus detecting of most anything (day
or night, clouds or not) of any density makes no difference.
Notice how the usual Rothschild and Sean cabal along with their army
of devout Zionist/Nazis minions (aka pretend-Atheists like our rabbi
clones such as Saul Levy, Art Deco and perhaps even William Mook
that’s on his very own private set of tracks) get themselves all upset
and into such a silly brown-nosed huff over utilizing our physically
dark moon or the extremely nearby planet Venus. Their topic/author
stalking and perpetual bashings on behalf of mirror polishing their
mainstream status quo that’s always focused against using our moon or
Venus, are acting every bit exactly as though they have something of
value to hide, and otherwise having a great deal at risk.
Brad Guth
> There's also recent Tucson UFOs that are either getting extremely
> bold or their stealth aspects are malfunctioning.
>
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Carl Sagan on planet Venus:
Even though we’ve identified no two identical moons or planets thus
far, yet everything out there is pretty much made of the exact same
fundamental kinds of star stuff that produced our sun, moon/Selene,
Eden/Earth, Venus plus all those other nifty planets along with their
moons and of course eventually responsible somewhere for having
created the complex genetic DNA/RNA that we call life.
However, it seems Carl and most others have so often systematically
excluded forms of alternative planetology and their often weird
geological formations in extreme environments that are likely
incompatible with us naked humans, as well as their having excluded
alternative forms of subsequent Darwinism and/or whatever natural or
intelligent design forms of creation via random happenstance and
directed panspermia taking place, along with subsequent evolution and/
or tinkering as always having been limited as to mostly those natural
kinds of random happenstance and natural selection as of long before
whatever intelligent design got smart enough.
It seems Carl Sagan and most others have been especially ET naysay, by
systematically rejecting and/or obfuscating as to perfectly viable
means of their surviving, such as by having excluded intelligent
design (that’s similar to ignoring Monsanto and many other active
forms of advanced biotechnology and genetic engineering that’s
nowadays relatively common place, especially going strong behind
closed doors), and otherwise the vast majority of folks right here in
Google Usenet/newsgroups that tend to automatically topic/author stalk
in order to banish, exclude and/or systematically obfuscate as to any
possible use whatsoever of technological applications for sustaining
off-world life as we know it, such as on behalf of even sustaining us
humans that could eventually manage to survive within our moon/Selene
or even manage to survive Venus a whole lot easier than our having to
survive Mars unless 99.9% of everything necessary was brought along
from Earth.
Like all other planets and moons discovered thus far, Venus isn’t
directly suitable for accommodating any human nudist populated kind of
Eden. The last time I’d checked, it seems even those Zubrin and Mook
suggested Mars missions are also physiologically restricted or
impaired by the extreme conditions demanding 100% spacesuit
applications, along with requiring a fairly extensive to/from
transport, a rather considerable fly-by-rocket lander and their well
shielded local habitats, plus having loads of essential supplies of
just about everything imaginable as 99.9% derived from Earth in order
to sustain even the most robust kinds of life while situated on Mars,
and of course accommodating their extensive to/from trek is no simple
task. Not so oddly, the same rules of protecting our frail human body
applies for the extremely nearby planet Venus that’s known as a hot
pressure cooker instead of offering an extremely cold vacuum, with the
exception that for accomplishing Venus there’s darn little if any
energy, water or minerals that need be imported from Earth. However,
in either case of doing Mars or Venus in person, life as we know it
could be accommodated via applied physics and using technology,
perhaps along with a little intelligent design for extra protection
and/or having a somewhat better adapted physiology in order to suit
either the hot and pressure id Venus or the cold and vacuum
environment of Mars.
Since the universe and our own local galactic realm is supposedly ten+
billions of years old, and it seems many galaxies have essentially
come and gone from the vicinity of our own Milky Way (with more
encounters on their way), along with local star/solar systems having
evolved and their powerful gravity interacting with one another,
whereas it seems unlikely that other kinds of sufficiently intelligent
life could not have emerged and having managed to evolve well enough
to get themselves from one planet or moon to another, and possibly
even from one solar system to another that apparently isn’t going to
happen for us, though otherwise exactly as we’d be doing if we only
had the proper incentives and obviously the knowledge and talent that
wasn’t being so often diverted and wasted on terrestrial matters of
greed and corruption of power and authority imposed over others.
JAXA / PLANET-C: Venus Climate Orbiter mission of Japan
“There aren't many space experts that can answer the question as to
why studying Venus was placed on hold. Evidence collected throughout
its mission by the Venus Express spacecraft, built and operated by the
European Space Agency (ESA), suggests that the planet may have once
been covered in oceans. It would also appear that its density is very
similar to Earth's, and also that the cores of the two planets are
very similar in composition. Given these data, why does our neighbor
look and feel so inhospitable to life. Discovering the changes that
led to this transformation is among the top objectives for the Venus
Climate Orbiter spacecraft.”
At least JAXA has the right idea.
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with
it." / Max Planck
NASA Magellan:
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/magellan/
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/mission_page/VN_Magellan_page1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/magellan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magellan_probe
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google Document info on Venus:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
It's a wonder Usenet/newsgroups is even still alive and kicking as a
free press or public forum of global topic discussions, investigative
research and publishing, especially when there are so many here intent
upon topic/author stalking along with their primary objective or
intent being that of disrupting and/or shutting this wild thing down,
in that it’s truly amazing the Google Groups and their version of
Usenet/newsgroups has gotten this far without being moderated to
death. I’m absolutely certain that Hitler and his Zionist puppet-
masters would never have allowed such a public global accessible
Usenet of newsgroups in the first place.
Usenet/newsgroups plus many of the private Google Groups being so
mainstream steadfast in denial of their naysay and/or obfuscating
about the planet Venus is simply worse than any dysfunctional childish
behavior I can think of, and otherwise proof that I’ve been more right
than not for more than a decade. Just because yourself or others have
been telling you exactly what, how and when to think, and you can’t be
bothered to personally interpret images of whatever Venus has to
offer, nor having put any laws of physics to good use, or having
managed to connect any of our public funded research dots of our best
available science, is no reason to insist that others outside of your
failsafe status-quo box can’t appreciate what total slackers and/or
retards our NASA and their vast army of public funded parrots and
brown-nosed clowns is all about.
The planet Venus is seemingly a very newish kind of geology that’s
made of hot and nasty terrain that’s kinda lethal to us (at least
lethal to naked humans that are too snookered and dumbfounded to
figure anything out beforehand), which also seems that it’s a planet
that’s not older than Sirius(B). As naked humans that have only
somewhat recently adapted ourselves to a very wet and stormy as well
as so often too hot, too cold or too flooded kind of a planet that’s
still thawing out from the last ice-age this planet w/moon will ever
see, as for accommodating the 1 ppm worth of our global biodiversity
that we represent hasn’t been all that easy. However, with basic
survival instincts and minimal intelligence (in most cases 5th grade
being sufficient), along with some of our best applied technology and
a few minor physiological adaptations, surviving most anything that’s
hot and nasty is technically possible. It gets even a whole lot
better when there’s unlimited local energy and no apparent shortages
of minerals or even any lack of water to work with.
Adjusting to that local atmospheric pressure and the surrounding heat
is not something entirely insurmountable, although some physiological
compromises will likely persist, such as represented by a one km
change in elevation represents a 60 psi differential that needs to be
managed so that your ears, eyes and private parts don’t pop in or
out. However, there really shouldn’t be anything that would forbid
our getting used to that extremely thick and toasty atmosphere that’s
mostly geothermally heated from the bottom up, just like here on Earth
where those onsite doing active lava inspections require a thermally
protective suit and some common sense breathing assistance. On Venus
you’d also require personal suit cooling, but there’s existing
technology and/or methods for that as well.
However, it seems we have all the usual naysayers that are suggesting
only the very worse on behalf of their mainstream status quo
interpretation, such as insisting that any 225 meter resolution image
of Earth (using that exact same radar imaging) simply couldn't be
interpreted as to suggest intelligent life ever existed on Earth. I
find this pretentious mindset of systematic denial and naysay as odd
and incredibly bogus at the same time, although it’s mainstream
accepted policy to always reject any notions of other intelligent
life, other than discovered here on Earth where fewer than 0.1% of us
humans are actually intelligent enough to tie our own shoelaces.
Apparently ETs (regardless of their evolution and many other possible
considerations) always have to be of something worse off than nasty
heathens on Earth, whereas I think it’s more than likely the other way
around.
It seems the perpetual naysayers (usually represented as pretend-
Atheists and stealth bible thumpers of their politically correct and
Semitic ZNR kind) fail to get the greater gist of this and similar
topics, at least not nearly as proficiently as they systematically
topic/author stalk and proceed with all their collective might to
naysay, traumatize and/or terminate the creditability of others,
especially as pertaining to any suggestion of ETs or truth/revision
risky topics (perhaps because Eden/Earth is still representing the one
and only center of their inert eye-candy universe that their white/
albino Zionist God approves of).
As to whatever ETs that are already here, as such are not likely going
to stand out from the rest of us. Contemplate upon this; If we
eventually get our space travel act together (about the time we’ve run
ourselves out of affordable hydrocarbon fuel and a few other essential
elements) and subsequently came upon and otherwise snuck up on a
populated planet or whatever moon of sufficiently complex
biodiversity, and say that you were onboard this mission where these
relatively primitive as well as weird inhabitants were subsequently
discovered as acting strangely voodoo superstitious and/or religious
cult/satanic heathen like, as well as openly blood-thirsty and
otherwise at various real and false perpetrated wars with one another
(including putting those of their own dark-skinned kind on a stick for
whatever faith-based PR stunt), as such would you allow yourself or
any part of your mission from Earth to become directly noticed by or
much less captured and systematically dissected? (I think not, at
least not on my watch)
If for whatever reasons you had been unfortunate to being captured by
such heathen ETs as the inhabitants of another world or moon ,
wouldn't you expect your fellow crew and their advanced technology to
do whatever it takes for getting yourself back away from those
heathens that clearly do not have your best interest at heart, as well
as performing subsequent damage-control in order to discredit whatever
evidence of our ever bring there? (why of course we would)
On the other hand, if actual ETs have their interstellar travel
capability nailed and we don’t, then it stands to perfectly good
reason that keeping their technology and themselves pretty much out of
our grip would be a rather basic failsafe policy, as a logistics
formality that shouldn’t be all that insurmountable, especially
considering the likely vast amount of disparity in technology and
their better than Einstein like smarts ahead of us would simply
represent too much advanced technology overload for our terrestrial
limited capability.
However, as those having evolved or having been intentionally placed
on Venus could be well below our level of intelligence, and not that
their adapted physiology and intellect would have to be all that
smarter than a 5th grader in order to manage. So why don’t we have
ourselves a good look-see at whatever that hot planet has to offer,
before Japan or Russia gets there first and takes all the credit?
William Mook
Any technical civilization that has the capacity to travel between the
stars also has the capacity to monitor a planet remotely without
notice of the inhabitants without need of bases in the planetary
system.
Any technical civilizatoin that has the capacity to travel between the
stars quickly, has the capacity to tap into monumental resources at
the center of the galaxy without need of mining any planetary system
for resources.
CONSIDER
NO BASES
Even a slightly advanced Earth technology that makes use of micro-
scale (not nano-scale) self replicating machines to build a system of
networked robots can watch the fall of every
http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/eyelash/creatures.html
Corrocientia weigh only 0.02 milligrams. A single gram of dust mites
contain 50,000 of the creatures. A kilogram contains 50 million!!!
They are so small they cannot be seen by the human eye. But they can
see and hear us.
Already we know how to make robots that are smaller than these mites;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO3M8rMvGSI
and control them in swarms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUHn0r_j5cE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkvpEfAPXn4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9Y9WwPiZr0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs_Y22N1r_A
To self assemble in a variety of ways
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NU3OTHU2ME
It doesn't take much imagination to consider what might be possible
with slight improvements of this basic technology. Something we my
have in 15 to 30 years - something alien technical civilizations would
consider primitive perhaps.
Lasers may be used to accelerate small objects to very high speeds
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/23212
So, a system that consists of a particle accelerator laser that
accelerates a micro-scale particle accelerator laser that accelerate a
micro-bot.
0.02 mg payload ---> 20 mg laser accelerator ---> 20 gram laser
accelerator.
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/23212
So, building a factory, and processing 2.5 tons per hour processes
20,000 tons per year enough to make and launching 1 billion systems
per year into space using a planetary speed accelerator.
Once in space, each 20 gram laser accelerator charges the system up
using solar power, chooses a target star and launches the 20 mg
accelerator with 0.02 mg payload on its way at 3/4 light speed. In 5
to 15 years the smaller launcher passes through the target star and
launches the 0.02 mg payload at a suitable target planet - slowing it
from 3/4 light speed to planetary speeds.
The 0.02 mg robot lands on the planet, and begins operations there -
making copies of itself.
Billions of robots are sent to thousands of stars within a hundred
light years of Earth.
Aliens could do the same thing.
These billions of robots would self replicate (10% of your pillow
weight is dust mites for example if its more than a year old!)
With a doubling rate of once per day we have control of 5.76 megatons
of robots in 60 days after arrival. We can process the entire planet
in 110 days if we can maintain doubling the tiny robots each day.
Now, if we had one tiny robot every cubic meter across the surface of
the Earth from -100 meters to + 900 meters all networked together -
we'd need 509 quadrillion of them - which would take 58 days 19 hours
42 minutes 38.72 seconds after the arrival of the first active robot
on the surface.
NONE of these would be visible to humans or human like species - if
any were there.
Yet their ability to gather information and process materials would be
quite formidable.
Once established, the elements would work together to create a
synthetic aperture radio telescope the diameter of the planet!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture_synthesis
to send data back to Earth (or wherever) or receive data that arrived
at levels that would be undetectable by any smaller system.
By sending signals to the ergosphere at Sag A* at the center of the
galaxy and detected the delayed echo - with the delay measured in
negative seconds - signals may be sent instantly across the cosmos or
through time (which is the same thing).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergosphere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_time-like_curve
Signals may be sent either way with this setup.
In this way a DVR Virtual reality model of all the planets throughout
all the space out to 10 to 15 light years may be created - and
interacted with - causing action at the remote location if desired by
coordinating action of robots to act in response to received signals.
All undetectable by any current technology.
SO WHY THE HELL DO WE OR ALIENS NEED TO ESTABLISH BASES ANYWHERE?
NO MINES
Now as to mining.
The mass of Sag A* is 6e+36 kg.
The mass of Earth or Venus is 6e+24 kg.
The mass of Kuiper Belt is 3e+24 kg.
The mass of Asteroid Belt is 3e+21 kg.
The mass processed by man to date: 3e11 kg.
Now, we can see that in the near future, within the next 100 to 1000
years, that we will be able to make engineered sub atomic black holes
and cause them to interact to perform useful functions. One of these
might be to decay into something interesting or useful, like a ham
sandwich, or a pair of sneakers, or a super sophisticated robot,
etc.
Further, we can see that if you have minature black holes, you can fly
them through the ergosphere of a supermassive black hole like Sag A*
and REPLICATE them - subtracting the mass from the black hole. And
by operating of the closed time like loop capability exploited for
instantaneous signaling, you can arrange to have any product, from a
ton of gold to a virus, delivered to you when you want it where you
want it.
Now, if we can see how we might come to engineer this sort of thing in
our near term future - its dead certain that a very advanced technical
civilization will have something like this - or more - already.
SO WHY THE HELL DO WE OR ALIENS NEED TO MINE THE SURFACE OF ANY WORLD?
Brad Guth
I'm not the village idiot that’s asking for all the stars and the
moon, nor am I expecting of others to see and/or interpret everything
exactly as I do, as well as I'm not talking about interpreting those
items of less than 225 meters resolution to begin with. Everything
I've suggested that isn't perfectly natural has at least one or more
of its dimensions at 225+ meters, and otherwise I’ll always accept
that 99.9% of that selected image area is in fact depicting what’s
perfectly natural of the hot terrain and erosion (just like here on
Earth, because 99.9% of Earth when viewed at that same resolution is
also going to be interpreted as looking perfectly natural).
However, Hagar’s intentionally spoof image contributions do at least
manage to prove beyond any doubt that he and those of his fellow
redneck bikers has always had the necessary image viewing and
enlargement expertise for quite some time.
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgfwg98t_218d43c2zcc
Hagar has even pointed everything out that's funny about the planet
Venus, except for locating my Venusian Waldo or any of his nifty stuff
that’s actually fairly obvious, even to a dysfunctional 5th grader.
How the hell did our redneck certified Hagar that supposedly knows as
much or more than Einstein, manage to entirely miss that rather large
and complex Waldo tarmac that’s situated right next to the Waldo
community/township that’s offering all those rational sorts of
considerable infrastructure, plus having missed that rather nifty
Waldo bridge and them multiple rectangular rock quarry sites, as well
as those substantial Waldo reservoirs (some of which clearly complex
shaped, interconnected and containing something of a fluid, brine or
even conceivably hydrocarbons).
Most of us have no honest training and thereby no idea as to
interpreting terrain contour mapping, much less from an aerial 2D
format. However, you folks do need to realize that the Magellan SAR
imaging was looking down at roughly 43 degrees, thus making for
interpreting items as nearly 3D worthy, as well as offering this
terrific GFI composite image of 36 confirming looks per pixel (means
there were few if any false pixels).
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
If only .0001% of any off-world obtained image of another planet or
moon were agreed upon as offering something other than perfectly
natural content (like those small rover tracks on Mars that lead to/
from the little robotic rover itself); what the hell does that mean
to our ZNR approved redneck naysayers like Hagar? (apparently it still
means there’s nothing on Mars that isn’t perfectly natural, because
those pixels of our rover tracks, the rovers themselves and other
deployed items don’t count when using the same interpretation basis as
looking at the planet Venus)
There’s actually lots more to deductively interpret as being
potentially artificial and thus intelligent worthy about the planet
Venus, but unlike most others I don’t have to take 100% credit for
everything because, unlike the other 99.9% of Usenet/newsgroup
contributors, I’m willing to share and share alike as long as it
continually benefits the group effort.
NASA Magellan:
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/magellan/
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/mission_page/VN_Magellan_page1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/magellan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magellan_probe
However, to the bogus likes of our perpetual naysay contributors like
Art Deco, “buzz”, HVAC and especially our resident rabbi Saul Levy and
always Hagar that wouldn’t get caught dead seriously looking at my
NASA/Magellan image of Guth Venus, whereas otherwise 10+ years and
apparently there’s simply no amount of proof positive nor sufficient
physics, not even if an ET from Venus was stuffed up each of their
naysay spewing butts simply wouldn’t count.
Eden (such as Earth supposedly started out as an idealistic
environment for us humanoids that otherwise lost most of those nifty
and extremely valuable genetic codes from our original aquatic life
form) is pretty much viable anywhere there's a sufficient local supply
of renewable energy, along with all the usual and necessary raw
elements to go along for the evolution ride that somehow got fast-
tracked way past everything else. Therefore the planet Venus should
more than qualify for those of us smarter than your average 5th
grader, but then that apparently excludes 99.9999% of humanity to
start off with, because mainstream K-12s or even higher educated
parrots (especially of our faith-based indoctrinated parrots and brown-
nosed clowns) are pretty much a lost cause and/or useless outside of
their naked mainstream approved Eden environment box, which they can’t
even seem to take care of without causing more collateral damage than
good.
William Mook
Buckminster Fuller designed flying cities for Earth in the 1960s.
http://stevendejonckheere.blogspot.com/2006/08/cloud-nine.html
Venus, not Mars was the target of early research in the 1960s.
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/V/Venus_probes.html
And its possible to float cities in the skies of Venus far more easily
than float cities in the skies of Earth - particularly at 50 km above
the surface where temperatures and pressures are very Earth like;
http://www.daviddarling.info/images/Venus_atmosphere.jpg
We have had the ability since the 1950s to send massive payloads
anywhere we've wanted in the inner solar system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propulsion%29
And since the 1950s we have had intellectual leaders who have proposed
depopulating the Earth to allow resources to go farther
And we have spent trillions of dollars on a cold war with very little
accountability at the time;
http://www.brookings.edu/projects/archive/nucweapons/schwartz.aspx
Now, the government spent millions setting up secret retreats for
Congress and other to go to in the event of an atomic war
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/18/congresss-groovy-for.html
Which was outdated by the time it was built.
Is it far out to think that maybe Congress and others have established
a retreat on Venus?
If there is intelligent life on Venus, this my be where it comes from.
Some have even built a huge conspiracy theory around it, that makes a
lot more sense than your alien intelligence idea;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmxhROlwSOE
With what appear to be humanoid aliens being cybernetic organisms made
from people who are near death, or committed suicide, and so forth -
captured and engineered into slaves to maintain the equipment and
transport system without a lot of life support overhead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manfred_Clynes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg
This makes more sense than what you propose and is more consistent
with what we know today.
Brad Guth
>
> This makes more sense than what you propose and is more consistent
> with what we know today.
Your 100% total acceptance of the mainstream status quo, without any
serious effort whatsoever on your part as to openly interpret what
that image is suggesting, is noted.
Do you have a better quality enlargement to offer, of the same target
area that I'm working from?
As far as something stealth/undercover or black ops setting up any
secret base camp or outpost of off-world operations on Venus, now
that's a stretch, especially considering the considerable magnitude or
terrific size and complexity of those unusual items that I've pointed
out.
There's little doubt that our government behind closed doors has there
usual evil eye on this location, that which I pointed out to them as
of more than a decade ago, and with the JAXA mission on their way
could prove somewhat embarrassing if they should interpret anything
similar to what I've suggested from the very get-go.
~ BG
Brad Guth
> Brad,
>
> Any technical civilization that has the capacity to travel between the
> stars also has the capacity to monitor a planet remotely without
> notice of the inhabitants without need of bases in the planetary
> system.
clouds and otherwise having everything conceivable to work with, then
why the hell not utilize it?
>
> Any technical civilizatoin that has the capacity to travel between the
> stars quickly, has the capacity to tap into monumental resources at
> the center of the galaxy without need of mining any planetary system
> for resources.
Other than perhaps their lacking immortality could be a real turn-off
for going any further than you have to.
>
> CONSIDER
>
> NO BASES
>
> Even a slightly advanced Earth technology that makes use of micro-
> scale (not nano-scale) self replicating machines to build a system of
> networked robots can watch the fall of every
>
> http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/eyelash/creatures.html
>
> Corrocientia weigh only 0.02 milligrams. A single gram of dust mites
> contain 50,000 of the creatures. A kilogram contains 50 million!!!
>
> They are so small they cannot be seen by the human eye. But they can
> see and hear us.
That's certainly way spooky enough.
>
> Already we know how to make robots that are smaller than these mites;
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO3M8rMvGSI
>
> and control them in swarms
>
True, as ET robotics could have been responsible for what I've
interpreted as existing on Venus, as having caused or created what
looks or interprets as quite intelligent or rational infrastructure
like. However, you also know that well understood physics and applied
technology has the capability of sustaining human life in worse
environments.
We could start off by offering a purely robotic fly-by-rigid-airship
probe that's accommodating a considerable array of science
instruments, that could spend 19+ months cruising or nearly coasting
effortlessly along at the relatively calm but always toasty altitude
25<35 km.
~ BG
Brad Guth
As per our usual mainstream status quo of parrots and brown-nosed
clowns in perpetual denial and flatulating their obfuscation as to
anything that rocks their mindset boat, whereas apparently my stealthy
Venusian Waldo has been hiding in plain sight, and likely flipping us
off just like OBL as he stands net to all of those Muslim WMD that
used to belong to Saddam.
Apparently this Venusian Waldo and others of his sneaky kind are so
gosh darn Muslim smart that they too can hide their WMD in plain sight
and never fear being detected, because it seems our crack
investigative wizards of NASA, DARPA and most every other national
security and DoD rated spy expertise in observationology can't seem to
discover why their own beds are always wet and yellowish in the
morning, much less having noticed any of those terrific Venus
reservoirs, as well as that rather terrific bridge with nearby quarry
sites, numerous structured accommodations that are actually quite
large and rather rationally configured so as to go right along with
that large and complex configured tarmac, plus a whole bunch of other
nifty intelligent community considerations that mother nature couldn't
possibly have accomplished unless the planet Venus is where the
regular laws of physics and known geology simply do not apply.
Always invisible to the investigative eye:
Stealth geology as to everything except SAR imaging must be the only
reason why there seems to be that rather impressive fluid arch, plus
any number of other perfectly natural geology and erosion attributes
that are at the very least highly unusual and unique to Venus.
However, it seems our K12s and higher educated parrots can’t actually
think or interpret anything for themselves, although their brown-nosed
clown expertise and those mainstream parrot skills have gotten far
better.
NASA Magellan:
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/magellan/
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/mission_page/VN_Magellan_page1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/magellan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magellan_probe
Brad Guth / Blog and Google document pages:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Saul Levy
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Saul Levy
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 11:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I'm not the village idiot
>Brad Guth / Blog and my Google Document info on Venus:
Brad Guth
My asking as to “where’s Waldo” was just another silly way of pointing
out that it takes a keen open eye and a positive/constructive
willingness or open mindset in order to deductively explore whatever a
given composite image has to offer. Problem is, most folks here are
either always so squinty naysay eyed, or scared to death of any
reflections upon their profession, so much so that most couldn’t
possibly find themselves while looking into a mirror.
Unfortunately, the mainstream of peer review that’s in charge of
enforcing their very own cover-thy-butt and status-quo or bust mindset
isn’t buying into any of it, regardless of consequences. I suspect
that the majority of peer review individuals can not master the Rubik
Cube or much less identify Waldo out of any crowded or cluttered
composite of images unless that Waldo figure were published as a
glossy and color vibrant eyecandy pop-up by LeapFrog, as well as Waldo
made to say “here I am”. Apparently deductive observationology is
officially taboo, as is connecting dots of mostly public funded
research that might suggest interpretations other than mainstream
published results that K12s and even higher educated parrots must
accept as the one and only mainstream voodoo interpretation.
As I’ve pointed out for more than the last decade, with honest
convictions and my perfectly reasonable observationology science
that’s in most instances peer accepted elsewhere as NASA approved
eyecandy images and obviously those supposedly interpreted within the
regular laws of physics (though usually as false color saturated and
stacked images that look nothing like the real thing), as well as my
having published this context of my Venus interpretations a good
thousand times before, whereas it seems our nearest planet is acting
exactly as though it’s relatively newish, or if you prefer to suggest
that it’s somehow getting renewed and remains rather geothermally
active like no other planet in our solar system.
“Spacecraft Spots Active Volcanoes on Venus”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/10/science/space/10venus.html
This isn’t even by any means the first such discovery of recent
volcanic activity. However, notice the ESA Venus Express team
continually fails to publish hard numbers as to those actual
temperatures represented by whatever their IR images of false colors
suggest, and otherwise their primary instrument being the PFS is still
off-line, as supposedly inoperative or most likely nondisclosure
rated, so instead we get these extremely poor resolution images that
exclude the vast bulk of data by averaging out anything under several
km.
“Venus has more volcanoes than any other planet in the solar system.
Over 1600 major volcanoes or volcanic features are known”
There’s actually a number of public and private funded research
interpretations that reaffirm this active geothermal and volcanic
nature of Venus. Perhaps I might suggest that Venus is simply loaded
with more than it’s fair share of thorium, because it sure as hell
isn’t being tidal heated by it’s extremely slow retro-grade rotation
and lack of any moon, or even all that much solar roasted with such a
highly reflective and complex cloud cover that reflects and/or filters
out the vast majority of solar energy so that less than a few percent
reaches the surface. At any rate, the primary source of all that
thermodynamic energy that’s keeping its surface and lower atmospheric
environment hot as hell and on average radiating 20.5 w/m2, is clearly
coming from within. “An Alternate View of Venus” published by John
Ackerman, had an entirely similar interpretation to that of mine, but
I still can’t agree with everything he had to offer.
Venus energy plus VAC (ventilation and air conditioning)
In order for us frail and so often easily snookered and typically
mainstream dumbfounded humans to survive Venus takes energy, and
perhaps the more energy the better. For that we have nothing but good
news folks, whereas apparently I alone have deductively interpreted
the best available science and applied technology, as having
subsequently discovered and objectively quantified that Venus actually
has considerable loads of renewable energy to burn, so to speak.
Robert Stirling as having figured out, as well as nicely documented
and further demonstrated how to properly harvest such thermodynamic
differentials, as well as many others having since mastered the
Stirling closed cycle method, as well as their having applied this to
all sorts of worthy contraptions capable of converting thermal
differentials into torque that you can do pretty much whatever you
like with.
A commonly used example of geothermal or waste heat differentials
offering just 100°F to work with is more than good enough, and this
energy is always best extracted from compressed gasses, but it can
also apply to liquids (especially nifty if those liquid/vapor phase
shifts can be tapped into) as long as the methods applied have taken
into account the proper management of each thermal medium and it’s
method of transfer plus whatever volumetric mass or density and of
course velocity. For example the element of mercury in a closed cycle
might actually prove rather handy, although most solar Stirling
applications use hydrogen, and a few other research proven examples
have incorporated sodium.
+/- 100 F isn’t all that hard to obtain from the planet Venus.
679 K = 763 F
735 K = 863 F
790 K = 963 K
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine
Depending on the conversion scale and its associated volume, as little
as 10 K or even 1 K thermal differential is technically doable,
especially when the mostly CO2 medium is virtually unlimited to start
with and subsequently doesn’t have to function as having to be
restricted within any closed Stirling cycle, and it gets a whole lot
better yet if you reconsider what having 4.1 bar/km differential to
work along with the 10 K/km of thermal differential that’s going
through a radial turbine as a method of extracting energy from the
local atmosphere, whereas this tube or stack/chimney creates its own
vertical wind. This method is sometimes referred to as the “chimney
affect” or “stack affect” that you’d think should be pretty hard for
our typical diehard physics wizards to ignore.
Of course those active geothermal vents of mostly CO2 plus a little S8
and multiple other elements that most certainly do exist within Venus,
likely purge at <100 bar above ambient and conceivably vent <50 m/sec,
as such could easily represent <1135 K (1583 F), and that’s 400 K
above the local average environment of 735 K. There’s even a very
good SAR imaged representation of a fluid arch depicted within the
area of Guth Venus (situated NW of those three rather predominate
rocks), whereas this could very well represent just such a composite
vent and/or stream-flow of CO2+S8+SO2+H2O+N2+CH4+NA and likely a few
other heavy elements (including basalt as lava solids which includes
O2) that should exit the surface as serious fast, hot and heavy, that
of course fall back to the surface after having formed an impressive
fountain arch that’s similar to what a fire hose or cannon stream of
water might look like, except suggesting way more than a thousand fold
greater volume.
Lava/magma (liquid basalt) arch example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lava
So, in order to hold our next Winter Olympics on Venus (we’re talking
indoors of course) is going to require considerable logistics plus a
great deal of local energy and applied physics. Lucky as hell for us
that such energy that’s perfectly local and renewable is not in short
supply. In other words, the unlimited local energy and resources
needed for proper ventilation and air conditioning a given volume of
well insulated (R1024/m) interior space is not the least bit
deficient, because there’s always those vertical atmospheric offset
differentials of 10 K/km plus offering 4.1 bar/km that I suppose could
be ignored wherever there’s a nearby geothermal resource to easily
tap.
In such a truly sweltering hot but otherwise considered as worse than
toasty crystal dry surface environment, whereas insulating that local
habitat facility with <R1024/m (a thermal coefficient of .0009765) is
simply a no-brainer, unless you only intend to prove beyond any doubt
that your mental dysfunction has always been a deep seeded family
genetic disorder via inbreeding, and thereby not your fault.
NASA Magellan:
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/magellan/
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/mission_page/VN_Magellan_page1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/magellan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magellan_probe
Brad Guth / Blog and Google document pages:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
There is nothing subtle or uninteresting about the planet Venus,
whereas instead it’s downright scary and outrageous to say the least.
Venus’ Polar Vortex Is Surprisingly Wild
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/09/venus-polar-vortex/
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/wiredscience/2010/09/Venus-Vortex.jpg
Venus is alive – geologically speaking
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEMUKVZNK7G_0.html
Though JAXA’s extremely low budget Venus/Planet-C isn’t configured for
SAR imaging, at least its deeper atmospheric research should greatly
extend what the ESA Venus EXPRESS mission started.
http://www.planetary.org/explore/topics/akatsuki/
“2-micron camera (IR2): peers through semitransparent windows in
Venus' atmosphere to see heat radiation emitted from the lower reaches
of the atmosphere (1.65 to 2.32 microns)”
Our easily upgradeable SIR-C/X-SAR capability of delivering as good as
one meter resolution imaging of Venus is just sitting in a spendy
warehouse collecting spendy dust, and otherwise for some reason the
German team was always able to extract ten fold better resolution than
our NASA team that was limited to 30 meters for national and
international security reasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Radar_Topography_Mission
http://iss.jaxa.jp/shuttle/flight/sts99/mis_srtm_e.html
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/california.html
Shuttle bay SAR imaging has been an existing technology that could
have easily been sent to orbit Venus at as low of altitude as 125 km,
though obviously without need of any shuttle crew or even the shuttle
itself. The image data is so revealing and so much data is contained
that considerable image processing is required, but none the less it
will see through them acidic clouds like they weren’t even there, as
well as day or night makes no difference.
A smaller and less massive version could have been configured and set
to Venus as of a decade ago that would have offered us a ten fold
better resolution than our Magellan mission of 75 m/pixel, but as per
usual there was no motivation or interest by those as public funded
individuals in charge of our public owned technology to ever
accomplish any such thing. The JAXA team could likely do a whole lot
better radar imaging for us at not half the cost, but apparently that
too is not in the cards.
Of course using a relatively small robotic flown rigid airship that
would cruise extensively in the clear and calm at an altitude as low
as 25 km is at least technically also doable, but then why bother with
obtaining better than one meter resolution images via visible light,
IR and SAR when there are other planets and moons incapable of
sustaining life as we know it. (I bet you didn’t get that as a zinger)
Apparently, just because we the public have bought and paid for
everything at least ten fold over, doesn’t mean that we’ll ever get to
use it or even direct as to where it should be utilized. And our NASA/
DARPA folks wonder why we don’t trust them any more than we have to.
Brad Guth
I’ve added a few words of somewhat better context to this very typical
naysay parrot reply:
On Jun 17, 10:02 am, Jeff Findley <jeff.find...@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote:
: Irrelevant. Humans can't operate at the sort of pressures *and*
: temperatures found on the surface of Venus. It's hot enough to melt
: lead. Human DNA would literally cook.
99% H2 and 1% O2 is good to breath (way better for us than N2/O2).
Getting rid of heat within that thick atmospheric soup is a no-
brainer, and whatever the pressure is another non issue as long as it
not a rapidly changing pressure.
: If this were true, we'd have people on the sea floor dealing with
the
: current disaster in the Gulf. At best, you're talking about
something
: that's not been perfected yet. At worst, you're talking science
: fiction.
Humans surviving deep sea at 150 bar via 99.5% hydrogen and 0.5% O2 is
technically doable, as long as you don't make those sudden pressure
changes. Proof of survivability is actually swimming all around at
those depths, and much greater. DNA and human cells do not care about
pressure, as well as temperature that's too hot or too cold is easy
enough to manage.
Existing technology can easily deal with temperature.
: B.S. Where do you get the power? And before you say Venus is hot,
: we'll use the energy from the heat, you've got to remember your
: thermodynamics. You can only get energy out of heat if there is a
: significant temperature gradient. Where are you going to find that
on
: Venus? The fracking atmosphere is so dense temperatures don't vary
much
: on the surface.
For just one example of easily accessible local energy; haven’t you
ever heard of the chimney or stack effect. On Venus you get an
unlimited as well as fully renewable pressure differential of 4.1 bar/
km, as well as a thermal differential of 10 K/km. Do the math on what
each m3/sec of 65 kg/m3 moving vertical, as having a pressure
differential of 60 psi and a 10 K thermal differential per vertical km
has to work with.
Thermal insulation of R-1024/meter really isn't hard to accomplish, so
how much applied energy is really required for cooling when having a
thermal coefficient of .0009765 ?
: The temperature gradient from the outside to the inside would be so
high
: that it will find paths to leak heat. This is similar to trying to
keep
: LH2 cold in LEO. We're close, but in that case we've got a
convenient
: hard vacuum that makes MLI work very well. Absent that hard vacuum,
MLI
: doesn't work worth squat when the temperature gradient is high.
The toasty dry CO2 of Venus actually makes for an extremely leak-proof
consideration, especially since there really doesn't have to be a
pressure or vacuum differential to speak of. Ever heard of basalt
gibers and microballoons, or a composite of milliballoons and
microballoons between layers of oven-wrap?
Only the most incompetent or stupid/dysfunctional sorts of electronics
and/or their dumbfounded applied sorts of electromechanical stuff
melts. Why would anyone want to take WalMart(made in China) crap to
Venus?
: You might as well be talking how many fairies you can stick on the
head
: of a pin. No one has yet to design and build an entire ship which
will
: work on Venus and keep the inside of it at pressures and
temperatures
: which won't kill a human. It's the *systems engineering* that's
the
: hard thing here.
I've never suggested it would be easy. Are you up for the challenge?
A composite rigid airship can easily accommodate as many thousand
tonnes of working payload as you like, plus haul and accommodate as
much crew that’s housed within a well insulated and as nicely air
conditioned cabin space as technology and its interior permits.
Venus offers unlimited renewable energy, as well as unlimited raw
elements and yes there’s even water (easily 500+ teratonnes in them
acidic clouds). In other words, we need to ask ourselves, what
exactly is Venus missing?
: Again, I call b.s. on this. How are you going to generate the
enormous
: amounts of electricity on Venus that would allow you to run the
enormous
: refrigeration systems you're going to need?
For an example of local energy on Venus; On average the surface is
upwelling 20.5 watts/m2, and that’s only worth 73,800 joules/m2, so
for the moment you can simply disregard that consideration if that
going to make you a happy camper.
Each m3 of that mostly CO2 that's heated from the bottom up (always
migrates from hot to cold) represents enormous energy as it migrates
upwards though a vertical tube, chimney or cooling tower if you like.
By way of scaling to suit, move as many m3/sec as you like by creating
as large of intake diameter and as tall of cooling tower as the local
energy demand requires. Simply specify how many megawatts or
gigawatts per unit that you’d like to start off with?
This available energy I speak of doesn't even involve utilizing any of
those fairly common geothermal vents that'll provide considerable
added volumes of increased density as well as at good pressure, plus
its initial velocity of perhaps <50 m/sec and always the terrific
thermal differential considerations (<300 K above surface atmospheric
ambient), though I suppose all of that natural energy that’s
essentially renewable can be ignored.
Perhaps if contributor Jeff Findley were any more naysay and/or
obfuscating, he’d either turn into a black hole or just a molecular
glob of antimatter.
Brad Guth
The planet Venus is certainly a live one:
As I’ve nicely pointed out and having shared for the last decade, with
honest conviction and reasonable science that’s peer accepted and
obviously within the regular laws of physics, as well as my having
published this interpretation a good thousand times before, whereas it
seems the extremely odd planet Venus is in fact acting exactly as
though it’s relatively newish, and geothermally active like no other
studied planet or moon in our solar system.
“Spacecraft Spots Active Volcanoes on Venus”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/10/science/space/10venus.html
Perhaps our Venus is simply loaded with more than it’s fair share of
thorium, because it sure as hell isn’t being tidal heated, or even all
that much solar roasted. At any rate, the primary source of all that
thermodynamic energy that’s keeping its surface environment hot as
hell, and on average radiating 20+ w/m2, is from within. “An
Alternate View of Venus” by John Ackerman, had an entirely similar
interpretation to that of mine.
Gave we been looking for those pesky ETs in all the wrong places?
How about instead of those tough to impossibly survivable planets and
moons that are each worst than unbearably testy, instead we seriously
reconsider what the planet Venus has to offer anyone smart enough to
get themselves to/from that sort of planet.
Venus is simply what it is, as seemingly newish and mostly offering a
thin lithosphere of extremely hot rocks that's continually getting
geothermally heated from below, whereas there’s most likely only the
sorts of tough Venusian survival intelligence that's smarter than your
average hot rock which prevails. If and when we ever manage to get
ourselves or robotics to survive Venus, I’m thinking we’ll instantly
become the local underdogs and otherwise at the mercy of those in
charge of that toasty planet that literally has so much surplus energy
to burn, and perhaps it’ll only get worse, especially if they’re
Muslim is when we’re seriously screwed (especially once they learn of
our history towards terrestrial Muslims hasn’t been exactly
copacetic).
If you'd care to get downright specific as to discussing and/or
investigative researching into something that truly matters, such as
how to adapt our frail genetics and physiology in order to best
survive that toasty Venus environment, or perhaps as how to otherwise
intelligently protect ourselves from those other inhabitants as well
as obtaining whatever else your heart desired without starting our
first war of the worlds, then by all means let us get with it.
You may need to be further reminded, as to realizing that every 19
months the planet Venus gets to within 100 LD(lunar distance), and
that each time it pretty much shows the exact same face to us as it
passes so nearby (as though it’s at least somewhat tidal/phase locked
to Earth, whereas the odds of that happening anywhere else in the
universe of solar systems is truly astronomical unless we’re talking
of binary planets or some having kind of physical interaction that’s
at least connected to sharing something moon related).
BradGuth Blog and Google document pages:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
William Mook
>
> > This makes more sense than what you propose and is more consistent
> > with what we know today.
>
> Your 100% total acceptance of the mainstream status quo, without any
> serious effort whatsoever on your part as to openly interpret what
> that image is suggesting, is noted.
The images you are using are at a scale that makes it certain you are
looking at natural physical features on the planet, not engineered
structures.
>
> Do you have a better quality enlargement to offer, of the same target
> area that I'm working from?
Did you talk to the anyone at CalTech who specializes in Venus about
what that image is?
Did you listen first (as you asked me to do with Bert)?
Really listen?
>
> As far as something stealth/undercover or black ops setting up any
> secret base camp or outpost of off-world operations on Venus, now
> that's a stretch,
Not as much a stretch as aliens doing it. Aliens capable of moving
between stars would be capable of creating a digital virtual reality
record of our entire planet without any need of bases or anything
else. Aliens capable of moving between stars rapidly have the ability
to also move in time by flying around Sag A* and really have very few
limits to speak of. Aliens likely wouldn't be detected because there
would be nothing to keep them in one spot. Even so, they would all be
instantly connected.
In the days of horse and buggy, towns were a certain size.
Then along came automobiles and rail roads.
Cities got bigger. People spread out.
Then along came airplanes and internet
Cites got bigger. People spread out.
Even while they stayed connected.
The same will happen as we develop superluminal travel. All of space
and time will open up, and just as every teenage kid has access to an
automobile, notwithstanding that its operation and manufacture would
be beyond the best of any Greek or Roman technology - and just as
everyone has access to an Ipod and the internet notwithstanding that
its operation and manufacture would be beyond the best of any American
technology prior to 1950. So too will future generations have access
to devices with features that are unbelievable - but physically
possible.
Femto scale black holes controlled by neutrino rockets and gravity
waves will interact with each other and with payloads to lift them and
push them along at very high accelerations at near light speeds. In
no time, and with no force, people will fly off under computer control
- toward Sag A* and fly a well calculated path to a time and place of
their choosing and then come to rest nearly instantly. When they wish
to return, or go to another time and place - they will do so the same
way.
What can be done near light speed with objects, will be done with
light waves and radio waves to maintain real time contact across all
of time and space visible to the surface of Sag A*.
So, they won't need bases. We won't need bases.
The cosmos will be our city.
Not just the cosmos that day.
But the cosmos ALL days.
Got it?
What you consider normal and usual and routine - is the product of
your time culture and technology - and your mind is closed to real
possibility of change.
Imagine flying through space so fast that you don't need a space suit.
1 gee for 1 year gets you near c.
8,766 gees for 1 hour gets you near c.
31,557,600 gees for 1 second gets you near c.
31.6 billion gees for 1 millisecond gets you near c.
According to the Bioastronautics Data Book, Second edition, NASA
SP-3006, some degree of consciousness will probably be retained for 9
to 11 seconds (see chapter 2 under Hypoxia).
So, if you are accelerated by a coordinated arrangement of atom sized
engineered black holes swirling around you your world your star your
galaxy - interconnected by an internet that spans the galaxy and all
time
http://www.frc.ri.cmu.edu/~hpm/project.archive/general.articles/1998/SimConEx.98.html
interconnected to your brain by direct sensing of your thoughts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain%E2%80%93computer_interface
that ACCELERATES YOU WITHOUT SENSIBLE FORCE (free fall) AT 30 BILLION
GEES - you can be transported in a millisecond anywhere anywhen
anytime you like. And, before you got there, nano-robots, femto-
robots, and micro-robots would arrive and prepare your environment,
even if it took a million years to get it exactly right. Even if you
were only there for a minute.
So, the idea of spaceships, bases, suits and all that - is very much a
product of our culture our time our way of seeing things.
And this is a modest proposal using near term tech. I haven't
addressed what it would be like if we engineered ourselves with this
tech.
> especially considering the considerable magnitude or
> terrific size and complexity of those unusual items that I've pointed
> out.
Big weird things exist a lot of places. It takes a lot more than one
freaking picture to draw a conclusion. Get in touch with someone who
studies Venus for a living and ask them for more photos of the region.
> There's little doubt that our government behind closed doors has there
> usual evil eye on this location,
What evidence do you have of that?
> that which I pointed out to them as
> of more than a decade ago, and with the JAXA mission on their way
> could prove somewhat embarrassing if they should interpret anything
> similar to what I've suggested from the very get-go.
Nonsense. I'm certain that any data developed will be freely shared.
I am also certain you will be embarrassed when the truth wins out.
> ~ BG
Brad Guth
What sets or rather limits the scale of those items as being less than
550 meters?
Are you saying that artificial items of rational infrastructure can't
be large?
What exactly should a very large scale tarmac infrastructure look
like?
What should very large and perfectly geometric shaped reservoirs look
like?
At the 43 degree angle of view, what exactly should a very long and
substantial bridge over a large and deep rocky canyon look like?
What should three large and very obviously rectangular rock quarry
sites look like?
What should very large and sufficiently tall infrastructure buildings
for that 225 m/pixel resolution look like?
I assume that you've done your very own image enlargement (yes/no?)
Do you have to offer us any mountainous terrain on Earth that's
similar, or of any other planet or moon as having been SAR imaged that
interprets as though weirdly looking as having artificial attributes,
but actually having only natural shapes that just so happen to look
perfectly artificial? (I didn't think so)
Do you even know what SAR imaging is?
How many seconds did you actually spend looking at other Magellan
images?
>
> > Do you have a better quality enlargement to offer, of the same target
> > area that I'm working from?
>
> Did you talk to the anyone at CalTech who specializes in Venus about
> what that image is?
Yes, starting with several at NASA and then a couple others directly
associated with that Magellan mission, plus a couple other image/
mapping agencies that from satellite can easily pull the license
number off a little motorcycle plate, or damn near read newsprint
headlines.
>
> Did you listen first (as you asked me to do with Bert)?
Yes, and I even complied to do what they asked of me.
>
> Really listen?
Yes, because I did exactly what they asked of me.
>
> > As far as something stealth/undercover or black ops setting up any
> > secret base camp or outpost of off-world operations on Venus, now
> > that's a stretch,
>
> Not as much a stretch as aliens doing it. Aliens capable of moving
> between stars would be capable of creating a digital virtual reality
> record of our entire planet without any need of bases or anything
> else. Aliens capable of moving between stars rapidly have the ability
> to also move in time by flying around Sag A* and really have very few
> limits to speak of. Aliens likely wouldn't be detected because there
> would be nothing to keep them in one spot. Even so, they would all be
> instantly connected.
I never once insisted that aliens did a damn freaking thing on Venus,
because it could have been locals (Venus Muslims for all we know).
Are you otherwise suggesting that aliens wouldn't be nearly as smart
as yourself?
> http://www.frc.ri.cmu.edu/~hpm/project.archive/general.articles/1998/...
>
> interconnected to your brain by direct sensing of your thoughts
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain%E2%80%93computer_interface
>
> that ACCELERATES YOU WITHOUT SENSIBLE FORCE (free fall) AT 30 BILLION
> GEES - you can be transported in a millisecond anywhere anywhen
> anytime you like. And, before you got there, nano-robots, femto-
> robots, and micro-robots would arrive and prepare your environment,
> even if it took a million years to get it exactly right. Even if you
> were only there for a minute.
>
> So, the idea of spaceships, bases, suits and all that - is very much a
> product of our culture our time our way of seeing things.
>
> And this is a modest proposal using near term tech. I haven't
> addressed what it would be like if we engineered ourselves with this
> tech.
>
> > especially considering the considerable magnitude or
> > terrific size and complexity of those unusual items that I've pointed
> > out.
>
> Big weird things exist a lot of places. It takes a lot more than one
> freaking picture to draw a conclusion. Get in touch with someone who
> studies Venus for a living and ask them for more photos of the region.
I've been there, and done that. Guess what, they're almost as naysay/
obfuscation bad off and in denial as yourself.
btw; send me some of that medication you're taking, because I too want
to get equally as high as a kite and become smug as all get out, just
like you.
>
> > There's little doubt that our government behind closed doors has there
> > usual evil eye on this location,
>
> What evidence do you have of that?
Their dead silence from those that should and are even paid to know
better, just like how they treat everything you have to offer. Do you
really think Steven Chu and others do not already know all they need
to know about Mook?
>
> > that which I pointed out to them as
> > of more than a decade ago, and with the JAXA mission on their way
> > could prove somewhat embarrassing if they should interpret anything
> > similar to what I've suggested from the very get-go.
>
> Nonsense. I'm certain that any data developed will be freely shared.
> I am also certain you will be embarrassed when the truth wins out.
So you never actually did any image enlargement, much less know how,
and yet still without taking any time whatsoever to familiarize
yourself with those surrounding raw terrain areas and/or the natural
raw terrain from many other images of similar resolution that shows
nothing the least bit as intelligent infrastructure looking, whereas
you are an observationology expert that's as good or better than
anyone else. Good for you, and did GW Bush use you in order to
identify all of those Muslim WMD from our spy photographs of 25 mm
resolution? (because I and most others sure as hell couldn't see any)
Your bipolar need to systematically belittle everyone and anyone that
comes along is noted, and totally expected, as is your total lack of
photograph expertise that takes absolutely nothing into account unless
it agrees with your closed mindset.
~ BG
Saul Levy
Saul Levy
Saul Levy
STICK YOUR ASS IN A MICROWAVE AND ROAST ON, FOOL!
Saul Levy
Brad Guth
There is nothing subtle or uninteresting about the planet Venus,
whereas instead it’s downright scary and outrageous to say the least,
because the planet Venus is a truly wild thing.
Venus’ Polar Vortex Is Surprisingly Wild
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/09/venus-polar-vortex/
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/wiredscience/2010/09/Venus-Vortex.jpg
Venus is alive – geologically speaking
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEMUKVZNK7G_0.html
Though JAXA’s extremely low budget mission in behalf of Venus/Planet-C
isn’t configured for SAR imaging, at least its deeper and more
methodical atmospheric research should greatly extend what the ESA
Venus EXPRESS mission started.
http://www.planetary.org/explore/topics/akatsuki/
“2-micron camera (IR2): peers through semitransparent windows in
Venus' atmosphere to see heat radiation emitted from the lower reaches
of the atmosphere (1.65 to 2.32 microns)”
Our easily upgradeable SIR-C/X-SAR capability of delivering as good as
one meter resolution imaging of Venus is just sitting in a spendy
warehouse collecting spendy dust, and otherwise for some reason the
German team was always able to extract ten fold better resolution than
our NASA team that was limited to 30 meters for national and
international security reasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Radar_Topography_Mission
http://iss.jaxa.jp/shuttle/flight/sts99/mis_srtm_e.html
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/california.html
Shuttle bay SAR imaging has been an existing technology that could
have easily been sent to orbit Venus, at as low of altitude as 125 km,
though obviously without need of any shuttle crew or even the shuttle
itself. The image data is so revealing and so much data is contained
that considerable image processing is required, but none the less it
will see directly through them acidic clouds like they weren’t even
there, as well as day or night makes no difference.
A smaller and less massive version of this instrument could have been
configured and set to Venus as of a decade ago, that should have
offered us a ten fold better resolution than our Magellan mission of
75 m/pixel, but as per usual there was no motivation or interest by
those of our public funded individuals in charge of our public owned
technology to ever accomplish any such thing. Perhaps the JAXA team
could likely do a whole lot better radar imaging for us at not half
the cost, but apparently that too is not in the cards.
Of course by using a relatively small robotic flown rigid airship that
would cruise extensively in the clear and calm at an altitude as low
as 25 km is at least technically also doable, but then why bother with
obtaining better than one meter resolution images via visible light,
IR and SAR when there are other planets and moons incapable of
sustaining life as we know it. (I bet you didn’t get that one as a
zinger)
Apparently, just because we the public have bought and paid for
everything at least ten fold over, doesn’t mean that we’ll ever get to
use it or even direct as to where it should be utilized. And our NASA/
DARPA folks wonder why we don’t trust them any more than we have to.
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
HVAC
"William Mook" <mokme...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:952049dc-b8ad-4c9e...@i4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> There's little doubt that our government behind closed doors has there
> usual evil eye on this location,
What evidence do you have of that?
> that which I pointed out to them as
> of more than a decade ago, and with the JAXA mission on their way
> could prove somewhat embarrassing if they should interpret anything
> similar to what I've suggested from the very get-go.
Nonsense. I'm certain that any data developed will be freely shared.
I am also certain you will be embarrassed when the truth wins out.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Insanity is rarely embarrassed.
Guth will simply put you into the same category
as he puts me....A zionist, nazi-jew who is a paid
government disinformation agent.
--
"It is said that there's no such thing as a free lunch.
But the universe is the ultimate free lunch". - A. H. Guth
Brad Guth
> "William Mook" <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
But it's well documented that HVAC lies, so what are we to believe of
anything you have to say this time?
Are you saying that zero SAR image archive study time and the
inability to enlarge a digital image makes you and Mook qualified as
observationology expertise?
~ BG
Brad Guth
Venus truly has water (more than enough to drown yourself in):
Though most of it is terribly acidic, although at least our Venusian
5th grade educated Waldo can always manage to get a drink of water,
because there’s loads of water that’s existing within that dense upper
clouded atmosphere of Venus, such as also including what’s existing
below them clouds, as obtained from ESA’s high-resolution spectra of
the night side:
“A constant water vapor mixing ratio of 30±15 ppm below the clouds
can fit the observations.”
That below-cloud atmospheric thick soup which includes its undeniable
water vapor and terrific pressure actually extends that atmospheric
water vapor consideration somewhat above them acidic clouds
(detectable <95 km), whereas nearby or just above that point of
detectable water vapor seems to exist a rather pesky nightglow layer
of O2 (“peak altitude of the volume emission rate occurs typically
between 95 and 100 km, with a mean of 97.4 ± 2.5 km”) that gets <15 km
higher when blown away by solar winds.
http://www.agu.org/journals/ABS/2009/2008JE003133.shtml
However, this kind of water vapor that’s suggesting <45 ppm as
situated below 45 km (laws of physics and thermodynamics would have to
further suggest an increasing vapor saturation as you head towards
that toasty surface and pressures <96 bar), whereas this 2e19 m3
volume that’s below them acidic clouds is being geothermally heated
and yes it’s even a little greenhouse kept warm and otherwise we have
a mostly exposed rock surface that’s kept relatively dry by way of all
that pressure and radiative heat or geothermal up-welling (on average
<21 w/m2), that isn’t hardly an insignificant factor.
45 ppm or .0045% isn’t all that much h2o unless we’re taking into
account the available mass of dense atmosphere below 45 km that we’re
actually talking about. The Venus all-inclusive atmosphere is worth
<5e20 kg, and of what’s situated and compressed below 45 km is
representing close to 90% of that total mass, whereas this 4.5e20 kg
that includes their 45 ppm of h2o becomes worth roughly 20 teratonnes
without ever tapping directly into geothermal vents or even dipping
into whatever those extremely wet, acidic and even cryogenic nighttime
clouds that could easily be packing <30,000 ppm(<3% of their mass
being h2o). That 20 teratonnes existing below 45 km is simply by
itself greater than a third of what our atmosphere currently holds, so
we can not possibly say that Venus is without water, and there’s
likely h2o concentrations of <5000 ppm or 0.5% right near that toasty
surface, and obviously greater yet over any active geothermal vent
which the planet Venus has lots of those.
However, going conservatively for suggesting as little as 0.3% as
representing the average h2o content of all that atmospheric mass
(including them clouds), of which that dense atmosphere offers
terrific buoyancy and obviously includes those heavier elements of
what is saturated into those robust and acidic clouds = 1.5e18 kg
(more likely it’s worth at least twice that amount).
By season of day or night would likely involve shifting this cloud
water mining zone by +/- 5 km as to suit the best elevation of this
h2o saturated layer, but other than that it would involve at most K12
physics and otherwise apply as little as 5th grader science
proficiency for efficiently extracting this water on demand. Even
William Mook would have to admit how technically simple and energy
efficient this h2o extraction process would be.
This is still not offering nearly as much h2o as from all the
terrestrial oceans and other water, snow packs, glacial ice and
atmospheric water vapor as Eden/Earth has to work with (<1.5e21 kg),
but in a reasonable and technically manageable off-world pinch is
where this 1.5e15 tonnes should come in real handy, whereas it’ll
certainly do a whole lot better good than the near zilch amount of
mostly inaccessible h2o that Mars and our moon combined have to offer.
Of course the usual mainstream gauntlet of perpetual naysayers and
their usual transference tactics plus obfuscation and denial groups of
their formidable mainstream damage-control, that’s usually public and/
or faith-based funded that’ll always insist upon any other viable
planet or moon has to be suitable for their skinny-dipping and nudist
camps, as such are never going to become happy campers or much less
buy into this Venus thing regardless of whatever physics and the best
available science has to tell. On the other hand, who needs them?
~ BG