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Brad Guth
Jan 1, 2012, 3:00:50 PM1/1/12
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Venus isn’t exactly mainstream Goldilocks friendly, but it’s certainly
an ideal and extremely nearby planet otherwise. For at least one good
thing about Venus is that it has a very nearby sister planet that’s
cool and wet, as well as getting somewhat overpopulated by its
humanoids that seem kind of cranky, as well as dysfunctional and/or
helpless, except always proficient at finding new and improved ways of
killing themselves, plus trashing their global environment seems to
have become one of their highest priorities.
On the other hand, modern technology and research always loves a good
challenge, and of course the laws of physics are always available to
anyone that wants to make something perfectly good out of those bad
and evil sorts of problematic situations. Unfortunately, none of this
analogy applies when those in charge are systematically opposed to
allowing anything new and improved, and thus absolutely refuse to so
much as look outside of their public-funded cozy little failsafe box.
Such mainstream protectionism isn’t anything new, but some of our
resident oligarchs and FUD-masters manage to take this public-funded
policy to new and improved levels of naysay, obfuscation and denial,
by simply excluding all other interpretations and/or banishing all
outsiders regardless of the consequences.
You most certainly don’t have to take my word for any of this, because
for as long as I can textbook and mainstream media remember about the
planet Venus, supposedly it’s too greenhouse hot and nasty for life as
we know it, and apparently that includes being too hot and nasty even
for the most intelligent likes of Einstein, William Mook or anyone
else that claims being physics and science smart, just isn’t smart
enough. However, perhaps we’re not being allowed to be half as smart
as we think, because it looks as though something other than mother
nature has once again beat us to the punch, so to speak. And just
because the closed mindset of our mainstream status-quo peers keeps
telling the rest of us what and how to think, is not actually a social
nor political requirement or mandate to follow suit unless it has to
do with keeping your job and friends. Naturally, if you believe our
ball fumbling government has never intentionally obfuscated or having
lied to us, then that too is going to remain as problematic for those
trying to follow along with my version of this science of
observationology, as to deductively interpreting that some kind of
intelligent other life existing/coexisting on Venus being within the
cards of what’s technically possible.
Of course my deductive interpretation (aka observationology) isn’t
going to be the one and only version, so when I say there’s some kind
of complex airstrip or something else oddly existing as a typically
flat airport like facility and/or substantial complex situated in an
otherwise highly mountainous terrain, I could certainly be entirely
wrong, because why would anyone situated upon such a hot and nasty
planet have need of any stinking airstrip or shuttle landing facility
when using composite rigid airships within that 65 kg/m3 buoyancy and
90% gravity environment should be the only way to fly, unless of
course it’s only intended for accommodating some conventional fast
shuttle kinds of aircraft that drop by from time to time.
However, in spite of what looks exactly like a complex community of
rather large structures, as seemingly situated in a perfectly rational
kind of community infrastructure, there are also a few perfectly
natural geology formations that should be worth our continued
interpretation, though quite naturally those in charge of all things
qualified for mainstream publication will have to insist that
absolutely everything about the planet Venus is perfectly inert and
natural geology and thereby entirely common place, so there’s nothing
ever the least bit unusual to bother looking at. (must be why they
haven’t actually bothered to look at anything which might only suggest
they’d badly screwed up for the past 16 years)
For those of us that are such observationology dysfunctionals (unable
to accomplish basic photographic forensics), here’s another not so
little size perspective to ponder: At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium /
Louisiana Superdome (plus part of its surrounding real estate
footprint) would fit within each cup of that enormous clover shaped
reservoir of perhaps a total capacity of roughly 50e6 m3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
imaging as anything artificial, whereas some of those other
terrestrial reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be
interpreted as somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
hugely geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous
terrain and within the path of a river or as blocking a canyon/gorge,
as well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon
or gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
Just for a friendly game of amusing yourself, and others being a good
investigative sport, this ongoing investigative effort is simply
intended to share and see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything the least bit unusual within the following image
that doesn’t quite look as though the natural laws of physics and
geology was entirely responsible. (try to remember that the original
image is that of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or
scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so its
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re stumped or
dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a bunch
of 5th graders, as a class science project.
Besides those perfectly natural reservoir functions, what the hell
(literally scorching hot as hell) is that extremely large clover
shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of
obvious, and then what about that other somewhat smaller one that’s
seemingly connected and clearly containing something fluid, not to
mention more than a few other extremely odd geometric considerations
that look as though quite artificial, almost as though some level of
intelligence had created them).
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
have its fair share of surface fluids, or at least geothermal boosted/
extruded muds or dense mineral and/or acidic brines to contend with,
as well as certain hydrocarbons shouldn’t be technically impossible
(as long as its specific gravity at the given pressure and temperature
suits) once we reconsider what hydrocarbons the Saturn moon Titan has
to work with.
Even as offering a fairly conservative reservoir interpretation, it
seems rather enormous but otherwise kind of perfectly natural,
including that other somewhat conventional reservoir above it that’s
containing something fluid and even seems connected. However, as far
as anyone knows, there’s not one other terrestrial example or that
obtained from any other planet or moon as offering anything nearly as
geologically mountainous terrain and erosion complex plus looking
downright impressive, so what the hell gives?
At this point of my ongoing observationology (11+ years of deductive
image interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a truly large clover
shaped reservoir represents a mostly natural though extremely large
formation, and just because something like this complex shaped
reservoir is truly big doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, and just
because the exact same digital image resampling process was applied
equally to each and every other available pixel which didn’t manage to
convert any of those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial
looking items, doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to
interpret as geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as
intelligently symmetrical, are not actually there to behold, because
nature really isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or
complex looking geometries, and especially whenever a perfectly
logical community like infrastructure is also involved. So, perhaps
the laws of physics, and geology tend to function differently when
given such an unusually dynamic environment to work with.
As of many years ago, I’ve already said that this could be from some
past mining efforts, as some remainders of the once upon a time
intelligent other life, that may have never realized a cool and wet
planet like Earth was so nearby. I’m also not the only one that has
considered the idea that Venus was previously a cooler planet, but
then I have no idea as to what could have forced the global
temperature to rise so extensively unless the hydrocarbons of Venus
had set the whole planet on fire, and/or the excessive metallicity of
thorium and uranium is what made the whole planet into a subdued or
minimal reactor, because the scientific consensus about those
extremely thick and robust clouds tend to favor that they’re doing as
much or more to reflect solar energy than they allow to get down to
its surface which is well documented as having been geologically
active and venting like crazy.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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an ideal and extremely nearby planet otherwise. For at least one good
thing about Venus is that it has a very nearby sister planet that’s
cool and wet, as well as getting somewhat overpopulated by its
humanoids that seem kind of cranky, as well as dysfunctional and/or
helpless, except always proficient at finding new and improved ways of
killing themselves, plus trashing their global environment seems to
have become one of their highest priorities.
On the other hand, modern technology and research always loves a good
challenge, and of course the laws of physics are always available to
anyone that wants to make something perfectly good out of those bad
and evil sorts of problematic situations. Unfortunately, none of this
analogy applies when those in charge are systematically opposed to
allowing anything new and improved, and thus absolutely refuse to so
much as look outside of their public-funded cozy little failsafe box.
Such mainstream protectionism isn’t anything new, but some of our
resident oligarchs and FUD-masters manage to take this public-funded
policy to new and improved levels of naysay, obfuscation and denial,
by simply excluding all other interpretations and/or banishing all
outsiders regardless of the consequences.
You most certainly don’t have to take my word for any of this, because
for as long as I can textbook and mainstream media remember about the
planet Venus, supposedly it’s too greenhouse hot and nasty for life as
we know it, and apparently that includes being too hot and nasty even
for the most intelligent likes of Einstein, William Mook or anyone
else that claims being physics and science smart, just isn’t smart
enough. However, perhaps we’re not being allowed to be half as smart
as we think, because it looks as though something other than mother
nature has once again beat us to the punch, so to speak. And just
because the closed mindset of our mainstream status-quo peers keeps
telling the rest of us what and how to think, is not actually a social
nor political requirement or mandate to follow suit unless it has to
do with keeping your job and friends. Naturally, if you believe our
ball fumbling government has never intentionally obfuscated or having
lied to us, then that too is going to remain as problematic for those
trying to follow along with my version of this science of
observationology, as to deductively interpreting that some kind of
intelligent other life existing/coexisting on Venus being within the
cards of what’s technically possible.
Of course my deductive interpretation (aka observationology) isn’t
going to be the one and only version, so when I say there’s some kind
of complex airstrip or something else oddly existing as a typically
flat airport like facility and/or substantial complex situated in an
otherwise highly mountainous terrain, I could certainly be entirely
wrong, because why would anyone situated upon such a hot and nasty
planet have need of any stinking airstrip or shuttle landing facility
when using composite rigid airships within that 65 kg/m3 buoyancy and
90% gravity environment should be the only way to fly, unless of
course it’s only intended for accommodating some conventional fast
shuttle kinds of aircraft that drop by from time to time.
However, in spite of what looks exactly like a complex community of
rather large structures, as seemingly situated in a perfectly rational
kind of community infrastructure, there are also a few perfectly
natural geology formations that should be worth our continued
interpretation, though quite naturally those in charge of all things
qualified for mainstream publication will have to insist that
absolutely everything about the planet Venus is perfectly inert and
natural geology and thereby entirely common place, so there’s nothing
ever the least bit unusual to bother looking at. (must be why they
haven’t actually bothered to look at anything which might only suggest
they’d badly screwed up for the past 16 years)
For those of us that are such observationology dysfunctionals (unable
to accomplish basic photographic forensics), here’s another not so
little size perspective to ponder: At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium /
Louisiana Superdome (plus part of its surrounding real estate
footprint) would fit within each cup of that enormous clover shaped
reservoir of perhaps a total capacity of roughly 50e6 m3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
imaging as anything artificial, whereas some of those other
terrestrial reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be
interpreted as somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
hugely geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous
terrain and within the path of a river or as blocking a canyon/gorge,
as well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon
or gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
Just for a friendly game of amusing yourself, and others being a good
investigative sport, this ongoing investigative effort is simply
intended to share and see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything the least bit unusual within the following image
that doesn’t quite look as though the natural laws of physics and
geology was entirely responsible. (try to remember that the original
image is that of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or
scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so its
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re stumped or
dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a bunch
of 5th graders, as a class science project.
Besides those perfectly natural reservoir functions, what the hell
(literally scorching hot as hell) is that extremely large clover
shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of
obvious, and then what about that other somewhat smaller one that’s
seemingly connected and clearly containing something fluid, not to
mention more than a few other extremely odd geometric considerations
that look as though quite artificial, almost as though some level of
intelligence had created them).
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
have its fair share of surface fluids, or at least geothermal boosted/
extruded muds or dense mineral and/or acidic brines to contend with,
as well as certain hydrocarbons shouldn’t be technically impossible
(as long as its specific gravity at the given pressure and temperature
suits) once we reconsider what hydrocarbons the Saturn moon Titan has
to work with.
Even as offering a fairly conservative reservoir interpretation, it
seems rather enormous but otherwise kind of perfectly natural,
including that other somewhat conventional reservoir above it that’s
containing something fluid and even seems connected. However, as far
as anyone knows, there’s not one other terrestrial example or that
obtained from any other planet or moon as offering anything nearly as
geologically mountainous terrain and erosion complex plus looking
downright impressive, so what the hell gives?
At this point of my ongoing observationology (11+ years of deductive
image interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a truly large clover
shaped reservoir represents a mostly natural though extremely large
formation, and just because something like this complex shaped
reservoir is truly big doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, and just
because the exact same digital image resampling process was applied
equally to each and every other available pixel which didn’t manage to
convert any of those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial
looking items, doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to
interpret as geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as
intelligently symmetrical, are not actually there to behold, because
nature really isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or
complex looking geometries, and especially whenever a perfectly
logical community like infrastructure is also involved. So, perhaps
the laws of physics, and geology tend to function differently when
given such an unusually dynamic environment to work with.
As of many years ago, I’ve already said that this could be from some
past mining efforts, as some remainders of the once upon a time
intelligent other life, that may have never realized a cool and wet
planet like Earth was so nearby. I’m also not the only one that has
considered the idea that Venus was previously a cooler planet, but
then I have no idea as to what could have forced the global
temperature to rise so extensively unless the hydrocarbons of Venus
had set the whole planet on fire, and/or the excessive metallicity of
thorium and uranium is what made the whole planet into a subdued or
minimal reactor, because the scientific consensus about those
extremely thick and robust clouds tend to favor that they’re doing as
much or more to reflect solar energy than they allow to get down to
its surface which is well documented as having been geologically
active and venting like crazy.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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Brad Guth
Jan 1, 2012, 3:45:06 PM1/1/12
to
The intentional quarry, moving and arranging of big rocks tend to
suggest great strength and resolve on behalf of such usage of rock
having been designed and engineered to suit, as offering some
intelligent degree of rational function that’s most likely habitat and
survival related. For example, those clearly side by side and
multiple rectangular quarry sites on Venus many offer a perfectly
deductive indication as to where some of their basic construction
materials came from. (no sense going any further than you have to)
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Thumbnail images, including the mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
Of course the quarry operations and moving of really big rocks on
such a unique planet as Venus is extremely simple and efficient when
you’ve got unlimited local energy that’s clean and renewable, only
90.5% gravity and a whopping 65 kg/m3 of atmospheric buoyancy to work
with. However, at best Venus is not going to represent any Avatar
Pandora nor like any other kind of science fiction depicted planet or
moon of forbidden nature.
Unlike the naked surface of our physically dark moon that’s of a
mostly thick crusted kind of fused basalt having sufficient
metallicity of magnetic susceptibility to being highly paramagnetic,
which also gets direct cosmic and solar wind blasted as well as
getting roasted plus cryogenic traumatized and always physically
pulverized, whereas the kind of newish reformed surface of Venus is
rather nicely protected from the influx of such potentially
devastating elements and physical trauma, as well as the toasty
environment below those highly protective clouds is relatively uniform
and calm unless your composite rigid airship is going directly over a
geothermal vent.
From what little I know of thermal insulation and refrigeration or air
conditioning, it doesn’t take much rock to fabricate well insulated
structures, especially when common basalt can be so easily processed
into terrific fibers and micro-spheres or milli-spheres that can
achieve R-1024/meter as offering a thermal insulation barrier
coefficient transfer of .0009765 watt per meter per K of whatever
thermal differential, simply isn’t going to demand all that much
energy to offset. Even a few extra meters of solid rock is perfectly
capable of fending off huge amounts of thermal energy (unless
whatever’s inside is hotter than outside).
Of course you can always pretend that the one and only intelligence in
the universe that counts is stuck right here on Earth, and therefore
anything that looks the least bit complex infrastructure worthy about
Venus can be safely thought of as just highly unusual geology that
accomplishes weird stuff unheard of and somewhat beyond the known laws
of physics, just like we can keep pretending that Muslims had those
WMD and that our government with their vast array of agencies that so
often get to do as they please, had absolutely nothing whatsoever to
do with causing 9/11 or the systemic demise of our investments, job
security and global inflation that hurts the lower 99.9% at least ten
fold worse than it hurts the upper most 0.1% that always get and/or
simply take whatever compensations as well as receiving public bailout
loot to suit their needs above all others.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_S...
suggest great strength and resolve on behalf of such usage of rock
having been designed and engineered to suit, as offering some
intelligent degree of rational function that’s most likely habitat and
survival related. For example, those clearly side by side and
multiple rectangular quarry sites on Venus many offer a perfectly
deductive indication as to where some of their basic construction
materials came from. (no sense going any further than you have to)
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Thumbnail images, including the mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
Of course the quarry operations and moving of really big rocks on
such a unique planet as Venus is extremely simple and efficient when
you’ve got unlimited local energy that’s clean and renewable, only
90.5% gravity and a whopping 65 kg/m3 of atmospheric buoyancy to work
with. However, at best Venus is not going to represent any Avatar
Pandora nor like any other kind of science fiction depicted planet or
moon of forbidden nature.
Unlike the naked surface of our physically dark moon that’s of a
mostly thick crusted kind of fused basalt having sufficient
metallicity of magnetic susceptibility to being highly paramagnetic,
which also gets direct cosmic and solar wind blasted as well as
getting roasted plus cryogenic traumatized and always physically
pulverized, whereas the kind of newish reformed surface of Venus is
rather nicely protected from the influx of such potentially
devastating elements and physical trauma, as well as the toasty
environment below those highly protective clouds is relatively uniform
and calm unless your composite rigid airship is going directly over a
geothermal vent.
From what little I know of thermal insulation and refrigeration or air
conditioning, it doesn’t take much rock to fabricate well insulated
structures, especially when common basalt can be so easily processed
into terrific fibers and micro-spheres or milli-spheres that can
achieve R-1024/meter as offering a thermal insulation barrier
coefficient transfer of .0009765 watt per meter per K of whatever
thermal differential, simply isn’t going to demand all that much
energy to offset. Even a few extra meters of solid rock is perfectly
capable of fending off huge amounts of thermal energy (unless
whatever’s inside is hotter than outside).
Of course you can always pretend that the one and only intelligence in
the universe that counts is stuck right here on Earth, and therefore
anything that looks the least bit complex infrastructure worthy about
Venus can be safely thought of as just highly unusual geology that
accomplishes weird stuff unheard of and somewhat beyond the known laws
of physics, just like we can keep pretending that Muslims had those
WMD and that our government with their vast array of agencies that so
often get to do as they please, had absolutely nothing whatsoever to
do with causing 9/11 or the systemic demise of our investments, job
security and global inflation that hurts the lower 99.9% at least ten
fold worse than it hurts the upper most 0.1% that always get and/or
simply take whatever compensations as well as receiving public bailout
loot to suit their needs above all others.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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Brad Guth
Jan 2, 2012, 4:24:02 PM1/2/12
to
Obviously there’s absolutely no pleasing any diehard redneck naysay
FUD-master that cares only about himself and those few friends, that
which obviously doesn’t even include is mother or father or anyone
willing to use their real names.
On Jan 2, 11:56 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6ab3f293-34db-49af...@t36g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 1, 4:53 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:8394ca7e-9e2e-4eff...@e8g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jan 1, 1:05 pm, "H gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:7f192cb5-2bcd-44d8...@t14g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Jan 1, 10:44 am, "David Staup" <dst...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > < snip >
>
> > > Wow!, you really are screwed up, but thanks anyway for resurrecting my
> > > topic that I intend to edit and repost.
>
> > > What's with your FUD-master and Qinetiq-NA approved version of editing
> > > via encryption that connects words so that they are not as easily
> > > searchable?
>
> > > **********************************
> > > Imbecile
>
> > How is deductively interpreting a perfectly good digital radar
> > obtained image being Imbecilic?
>
> > ***********************************
> > The Russians have determined that the surface of Venus is so hot that
> > it melts lead, which manifested itself when their last lander stopped
> > transmitting when the circuit board came de-soldered and stopped
> > working, you moron. Even if it we re not for the heat, the acidity
> > in the atmosphere would dissolve your ignorant ass in a New York
> > second. You are a crazy motherfucker and perhaps you'd stop
> > seeing those ridiculous structures or whatever it is your feeble brain
> > conjures up, if you simply stopped hitting the sauce.
> > Now go and crawl back under your rock ...
>
> Those Russian missions functioned exactly as planned. There was no
> circuit board malfunctions. Their satellite simply went out of range
> (as planned) and otherwise everything of each mission functioned as
> expected. Russians are just smarter than your typical redneck ZNR
> like yourself.
>
> **************************************
> You uneducated slobovian head-up-the-pooper moron ... the Russians,
> when asked for an estimate of the life expectancy of the probe once it
> touched down, simply said (in Russian) "we'll know the answer to that
> when the solder melts". Don't know how much clearer they could have
> made it, but since you're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer,
> no hint of any kind would work for your besotted brain.
Each of those successful USSR missions to land probes on the Venus
surface went exactly according to plan. Obviously that accomplishment
seriously pisses off the sort of ZNR rednecks like yourself.
Getting any remote/robotic probe safely onto that geothermally heated
surface is a neat trial and error kind of learning-curve trick all by
itself, and thus far your DARPA and NASA hasn't quite figured it out,
perhaps because they only have brown-nosed clowns and redneck FUD-
masters like yourself to work with.
http://planetary.org/explore/topics/venus/missions.html
On the other hand, we have some considerate individuals that are not
nearly as diehard naysay or investigative dysfunctional, that’ll
interpret images and data in order to suggest things that I may or may
not agree with, but at least they have no insurmountable ulterior
motives or hidden agenda.
On Jan 2, 10:25 am, American <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Earth, and irregardless of what the naysayers, i.e. FUD-masters, and
> doomsday prophets, have been trying to Lord over us for the past
> 6,000+ years. I am not saying that I am an atheist - I'm just saying
> that I believe that Earth itself will be like Venus one day - and so
> why wouldn't it be in humanity's best interest to return to Venus as
> it was, a few billion years ago?
Unless Earth gets an even bigger moon or something truly horrific
impacts us, there's not going to be sufficient geothermal core energy
escaping to ever make our planet anything like Venus, no matters how
much hydrocarbons we consume or thermonuclear wars we manage to pull
off. Pushing the global average temperature up by even another 10 K
is not likely, much less by several hundred K.
However, as a interplanetary wandering/rogue planet released from a
spent star, Earth would become rather dreadfully cryogenic with a
surface frozen tundra reaching perhaps a km deep, though it's entirely
possible that Venus could become our lifeboat once surviving on its
own or even as a wandering binary partner of Earth.
>
> Since higher temperatures will eventually transform the Earth's
> atmosphere, as it is just beginning to happen now - water that is
> evaporating in the atmosphere will eventually halt our plate tectonics
> - but all life on the surface will probably die by that time.
I'm fairly certain that we'd have to at least relocate our moon to
Earth L1 before those plate tectonics drop down to any dull roar.
>
> One catastrophic event, caused by a rogue planetoid impacting on our
> oceans, could also crack the water molecules being blasted through the
> Van Allen Belt, through stellar ionic radiation. Oxygen would thus
> become disassociated from the atmosphere faster than the H2 molecules,
> as witnessed by such a large amount of enriched Deuterium in the
> Venusian atmosphere. With the entire planet being oxidized, is it no
> wonder that strongly acidic clouds of H2S would create such a thing as
> Venus #2?
>
> American
>
> "It did not last: the Devil howling 'Ho! Let Einstein be!' restored
> the status quo."
>
> - J. C. Squire, 1884 - 1958
Even a near miss by another planet or its moon could manage to drag a
large portion of our atmosphere and certainly a few teratonnes worth
of water away from our planet. However, a good halo CME of 5e13 to
1e14 kg should do pretty much the same thing.
The solar influx to a fully cloud covered planet would simply not
create another Venus #2 out of the ongoing demise of Earth, that is
unless there was a great deal of geothermal outflux to go along with
it, or that of our sun going red giant on us would seem highly
problematic.
Fortunately, Venus is not insurmountable as is, at least it's
technically manageable for robotics and otherwise doable for the likes
of properly housed or airship accommodated humans as is.
As long as such an extremely nearby planet like Venus offers unlimited
renewable energy, plus unlimited loads of valuable metallicity, I
really don’t see why that planet shouldn’t be commercially and
privately exploited regardless of whoever was there or could still be
surviving on Venus, because I’m dead certain there more than enough to
go around.
FUD-master that cares only about himself and those few friends, that
which obviously doesn’t even include is mother or father or anyone
willing to use their real names.
On Jan 2, 11:56 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6ab3f293-34db-49af...@t36g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 1, 4:53 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:8394ca7e-9e2e-4eff...@e8g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jan 1, 1:05 pm, "H gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:7f192cb5-2bcd-44d8...@t14g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Jan 1, 10:44 am, "David Staup" <dst...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > < snip >
>
> > > Wow!, you really are screwed up, but thanks anyway for resurrecting my
> > > topic that I intend to edit and repost.
>
> > > What's with your FUD-master and Qinetiq-NA approved version of editing
> > > via encryption that connects words so that they are not as easily
> > > searchable?
>
> > > **********************************
> > > Imbecile
>
> > How is deductively interpreting a perfectly good digital radar
> > obtained image being Imbecilic?
>
> > ***********************************
> > The Russians have determined that the surface of Venus is so hot that
> > it melts lead, which manifested itself when their last lander stopped
> > transmitting when the circuit board came de-soldered and stopped
> > working, you moron. Even if it we re not for the heat, the acidity
> > in the atmosphere would dissolve your ignorant ass in a New York
> > second. You are a crazy motherfucker and perhaps you'd stop
> > seeing those ridiculous structures or whatever it is your feeble brain
> > conjures up, if you simply stopped hitting the sauce.
> > Now go and crawl back under your rock ...
>
> Those Russian missions functioned exactly as planned. There was no
> circuit board malfunctions. Their satellite simply went out of range
> (as planned) and otherwise everything of each mission functioned as
> expected. Russians are just smarter than your typical redneck ZNR
> like yourself.
>
> **************************************
> You uneducated slobovian head-up-the-pooper moron ... the Russians,
> when asked for an estimate of the life expectancy of the probe once it
> touched down, simply said (in Russian) "we'll know the answer to that
> when the solder melts". Don't know how much clearer they could have
> made it, but since you're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer,
> no hint of any kind would work for your besotted brain.
Each of those successful USSR missions to land probes on the Venus
surface went exactly according to plan. Obviously that accomplishment
seriously pisses off the sort of ZNR rednecks like yourself.
Getting any remote/robotic probe safely onto that geothermally heated
surface is a neat trial and error kind of learning-curve trick all by
itself, and thus far your DARPA and NASA hasn't quite figured it out,
perhaps because they only have brown-nosed clowns and redneck FUD-
masters like yourself to work with.
http://planetary.org/explore/topics/venus/missions.html
On the other hand, we have some considerate individuals that are not
nearly as diehard naysay or investigative dysfunctional, that’ll
interpret images and data in order to suggest things that I may or may
not agree with, but at least they have no insurmountable ulterior
motives or hidden agenda.
On Jan 2, 10:25 am, American <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Jan 1, 9:48 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Venus isn’t exactly mainstream Goldilocks friendly, but it’s certainly
> > an ideal and extremely nearby planet otherwise. For at least one good
> > thing about Venus is that it has a very nearby sister planet that’s
> > cool and wet, as well as getting somewhat overpopulated by its
> > humanoids that seem kind of cranky, as well as dysfunctional and/or
> > helpless, except always proficient at finding new and improved ways of
> > killing themselves, plus trashing their global environment seems to
> > have become one of their highest priorities.
>
> > On the other hand, modern technology and research always loves a good
> > challenge, and of course the laws of physics are always available to
> > anyone that wants to make something perfectly good out of those bad
> > and evil sorts of problematic situations. Unfortunately, none of this
> > analogy applies when those in charge are systematically opposed to
> > allowing anything new and improved, and thus absolutely refuse to so
> > much as look outside of their public-funded cozy little failsafe box.
> > Such mainstream protectionism isn’t anything new, but some of our
> > resident oligarchs and FUD-masters manage to take this public-funded
> > policy to new and improved levels of naysay, obfuscation and denial,
> > by simply excluding all other interpretations and/or banishing all
> > outsiders regardless of the consequences.
>
> I believe that you are right, concerning comparisons between Venus and
>
>
> > Venus isn’t exactly mainstream Goldilocks friendly, but it’s certainly
> > an ideal and extremely nearby planet otherwise. For at least one good
> > thing about Venus is that it has a very nearby sister planet that’s
> > cool and wet, as well as getting somewhat overpopulated by its
> > humanoids that seem kind of cranky, as well as dysfunctional and/or
> > helpless, except always proficient at finding new and improved ways of
> > killing themselves, plus trashing their global environment seems to
> > have become one of their highest priorities.
>
> > On the other hand, modern technology and research always loves a good
> > challenge, and of course the laws of physics are always available to
> > anyone that wants to make something perfectly good out of those bad
> > and evil sorts of problematic situations. Unfortunately, none of this
> > analogy applies when those in charge are systematically opposed to
> > allowing anything new and improved, and thus absolutely refuse to so
> > much as look outside of their public-funded cozy little failsafe box.
> > Such mainstream protectionism isn’t anything new, but some of our
> > resident oligarchs and FUD-masters manage to take this public-funded
> > policy to new and improved levels of naysay, obfuscation and denial,
> > by simply excluding all other interpretations and/or banishing all
> > outsiders regardless of the consequences.
>
> Earth, and irregardless of what the naysayers, i.e. FUD-masters, and
> doomsday prophets, have been trying to Lord over us for the past
> 6,000+ years. I am not saying that I am an atheist - I'm just saying
> that I believe that Earth itself will be like Venus one day - and so
> why wouldn't it be in humanity's best interest to return to Venus as
> it was, a few billion years ago?
Unless Earth gets an even bigger moon or something truly horrific
impacts us, there's not going to be sufficient geothermal core energy
escaping to ever make our planet anything like Venus, no matters how
much hydrocarbons we consume or thermonuclear wars we manage to pull
off. Pushing the global average temperature up by even another 10 K
is not likely, much less by several hundred K.
However, as a interplanetary wandering/rogue planet released from a
spent star, Earth would become rather dreadfully cryogenic with a
surface frozen tundra reaching perhaps a km deep, though it's entirely
possible that Venus could become our lifeboat once surviving on its
own or even as a wandering binary partner of Earth.
>
> Since higher temperatures will eventually transform the Earth's
> atmosphere, as it is just beginning to happen now - water that is
> evaporating in the atmosphere will eventually halt our plate tectonics
> - but all life on the surface will probably die by that time.
I'm fairly certain that we'd have to at least relocate our moon to
Earth L1 before those plate tectonics drop down to any dull roar.
>
> One catastrophic event, caused by a rogue planetoid impacting on our
> oceans, could also crack the water molecules being blasted through the
> Van Allen Belt, through stellar ionic radiation. Oxygen would thus
> become disassociated from the atmosphere faster than the H2 molecules,
> as witnessed by such a large amount of enriched Deuterium in the
> Venusian atmosphere. With the entire planet being oxidized, is it no
> wonder that strongly acidic clouds of H2S would create such a thing as
> Venus #2?
>
> American
>
> "It did not last: the Devil howling 'Ho! Let Einstein be!' restored
> the status quo."
>
> - J. C. Squire, 1884 - 1958
Even a near miss by another planet or its moon could manage to drag a
large portion of our atmosphere and certainly a few teratonnes worth
of water away from our planet. However, a good halo CME of 5e13 to
1e14 kg should do pretty much the same thing.
The solar influx to a fully cloud covered planet would simply not
create another Venus #2 out of the ongoing demise of Earth, that is
unless there was a great deal of geothermal outflux to go along with
it, or that of our sun going red giant on us would seem highly
problematic.
Fortunately, Venus is not insurmountable as is, at least it's
technically manageable for robotics and otherwise doable for the likes
of properly housed or airship accommodated humans as is.
As long as such an extremely nearby planet like Venus offers unlimited
renewable energy, plus unlimited loads of valuable metallicity, I
really don’t see why that planet shouldn’t be commercially and
privately exploited regardless of whoever was there or could still be
surviving on Venus, because I’m dead certain there more than enough to
go around.
Brad Guth
Jan 3, 2012, 12:44:16 AM1/3/12
to
Trying to figure out why Venus either got so hot or never cooled off
is easier said than done. Perhaps the core of Venus is most likely
the whole fluid interior volume that’s below its relatively thin
crust. In other words, a mostly fluid core radius of perhaps 5800 km,
with a 12 km average basalt crust thickness plus something like
another 240 km of granite and silicon dioxide. From what little I can
interpret, it’s extremely difficult to estimate the porosity,
metallicity and average density of the surface bedrock. For all we
know the surface was extensively built up from basaltic silica poor
magma (not unlike parts of Earth), except higher metallicity.
All solar system bodies and/or chunks of spent or broken bodies have
their mostly paramagnetic metallicity (magnetic susceptibility) plus a
geothermal core of reserve or residual formation energy, including
those planetoids and asteroids as thermally cloaked by their solid icy
covered surface that typically represent a portion of the Oort cloud
mass, as carbon buckyball lampblack and nearly invisible to most
astronomy because such thick ice cover is actually another very good
insulator against the average 3e-8 w/m2 of IGM influx, or perhaps
worth as much IGM+ISM as 9e-3 w/m2 (20 K outside of molecular/nebula
clouds like the LMC or the black molecular/nebula of Barnard 68 that
offers 30 K down to as little as 10 K within its darkest core), that
gradually depletes unless having been sustained by some considerable
insulation or fueled by the natural radioactive decay/fission process,
and/or maintained by way of having a massive enough moon or binary
orbiting mass that’ll continually modulate the entire planet, like the
way our moon keeps this planet nicely modulated and a little extra
geodynamically active and toasty inside. In other words, nothing as
wandering/rogue within our galaxy, as naked and solid as any
physically dark planetoid or asteroid is ever going to see the
millennium when it get its core much below 25 K, unless it’s extremely
old and surrounded and thus shielded by something like Barnard 68
(supposedly the coldest polar craters on our physically dark moon are
worth 35 K or roughly 15 to 25 K above the IGM+ISM starshine).
Supposedly the most isolated IGM is only worth 2.7 K, although waves
of energy and molecular clouds of warmer elements seems to exist just
about everywhere an astronomer cares to look, so at the absolute very
worst any cryogenic iced surface of a intergalactic wandering/rogue
planet is ever going to feel is perhaps 3 K or 4.6e-8 w/m2, which is
seriously cold and even stealth to some of the best IR astronomy.
In other words, a sufficiently thick ice covered planet, planetoid or
moon isn’t going to be easily detected until it’s nearly upon us, no
matter how much residual, fission or tidal induced heating of its
innards is taking place.
The geothermal core heat of Mars is currently worth nearly zilch, as
perhaps worth an estimate of something like at most the successive
square root of 2000 per 2 km depth if going inward from its mostly
cryogenic surface. More than likely that core of Mars has cooled off
to something below 2000 K (suggesting that it’s roughly twice as hot
and likely several times the mass as offered by our lunar core). In
other words, we could pick up 47.7 K by going in the first 2 km by
using the successive square root of 2000 per each 2 km depth is what
becomes worth 44.7 K for that first 2 km depth, and that same method
amounts to contributing 62 K for the first 20 km depth, making its
core worth something like a cool 1750 K (62 K less than molten iron),
and our smaller lunar core seems to be worth roughly half that amount.
This rather crude method of estimating the geothermal gradient of
residual core energy should also work for our moon, using that same
square root of 2000 per each 2 km gives a core temperature of 921 K.
But since we can’t hardly manage to get ourselves safely to/from our
moon or much less Mars, it doesn’t hardly matter even if there was
another garden of Eden discovered, because for Mars there’s hardly
enough surface energy from the sun and thus far no apparent geothermal
vents available to keep a minimal robotic machine as barely operating
only by day. Naturally with better science we can further adjust this
swag formula of estimating the residual core energy, such as by using
the square root of 2500 per 1.5 km yields a 50 K benefit by going in
1.5 km, offers a 1216 K core temperature, though I kind of doubt it’s
anywhere near that toasty, much less fluid iron hot (1812 K) as some
might suggest. As for Earth using the square root of it’s radius per
every 1.5 km depth works out to a geothermal core of 5187 K, not
including the continuous tidal modulation of perhaps 55e-9 w/m3 and
the radiological decay generated heat of 24e-9 w/m3 would make this
estimate a tough call.
In other words, once 0.1 km or more below our surface or below .5 km
of solid ice is where whatever amount of solar influx is fully
nullified, and it’s only the residual core plus whatever radiological
decay plus any tidal modulation that counts, which is very good news
for all of those 5e12 wandering/rogue planets (some with Earth sized
moons) as having lost their original sun but otherwise perfectly
capable of sustaining any number of intelligent species that was able
to take full advantage of what residual and fission generated heat as
practically renewable energy situated just a short distance below
their cryogenic surface.
Venus is still another exceptional variation as to estimating its
geothermal gradient, especially since there’s hardly any solar tidal
and zero lunar tidal modulation, and it’s rather nicely better
atmospheric hothouse insulated than us. The geothermal heated surface
of Venus is likely sustained by having 3 to 4 times as much
radiological heating per m3, with its thorium getting primed by those
necessary protons from uranium and plutonium that’s created by the
ongoing internal fission decay process within and below its thin crust
that some geologist interpret as being only half as thick as ours and
perhaps only 300 million years old. Thus far, using the successive
square root of its radius and per km, I’ve got the geothermal core of
Venus pegged at 6140 K plus whatever boosted by the ongoing
radiological fissions of perhaps 75e-9 to 100e-9 w/m3 could easily
generate and sustain a radiological fission boosted core heat that’s
worth perhaps 7000 K, and for any nearby planet of that
thermodynamically active volume is actually quite impressive. In
other words, if a planet like Venus were to get set free to roam about
the galaxy as a wandering/rogue planet, it would still have a robust
atmosphere and a its very geothermal made toasty surface for many
millions or possibly billions of years to come, though offering a
somewhat cooler surface because of the lack of any solar influx would
likely cause that surface to better solidify and atmospheric
temperatures to drop by a good 100~300 K (somewhat depending on local
geothermal ventings and those active volcanic considerations), making
parts of that surface kind of thermally conducive to life as we know
it, though hardly anything Eden worthy, and its purely upper cryogenic
atmosphere that’s kept aloft by the greater density and buoyancy of
the warmer atmosphere below, would likely keep it cloaked to most
forms of astronomy other than the likes of JWST and radio-astronomy
that has no problems detecting such LWIR and the submillimeter
spectrum that would detect such seemingly icy cold shrouded items as
hosting a hot oasis wandering in the otherwise cold ISM.
The best available science indications as to the extra metallicity and
rather enormous geothermal gradient of Venus is that of an actively
fluid interior at just a few km under its 750 K toasty surface of a
thin metallicity basalt crust that’s already identified as saturated
with considerable uranium and thorium deposits, meaning that the
ultimate mother-load of its precious and common metallicity is going
to be the entire planet Venus. However, it seems only planets that
have been mainstream Goldilocks approved are getting any media or K-12
attention, and who in their right mind would knowingly send only our
most dumbfounded and naked Goldilocks to Venus, and otherwise what
exactly would any Goldilocks even know of or care about metallicity?
After all, most of us public educated K-12s have been so
intellectually deprived that they don’t even know what any terminology
of metallicity, paramagnetic or diamagnetic even means, and they
certainly can not appreciate the values of such elements, nor
accomplish any independent investigative research or much less
deductively interpret anything for the greater benefit of themselves
and others (too busy with their important texting, video gaming and
swapping pirated music and video material), especially put off with
the usual gauntlet of intellectual oligarch parrots like our
mainstream of those mostly public-funded as brown-nosed clowns and FUD-
masters as their peers telling them whatever they can or can not
interpret. Fortunately, most K-12s can not even begin to comprehend
the depth and scope by which their faith and its government has
snookered them by way of compartmentalization and obfuscation, which
naturally isn’t supposed to be the same thing as telling us lies.
Btw, thus far the record is perfectly clear if you should blow any
whistle, because the odds are that you’ll lose everything and even end
up doing hard time, or at best die of old age before anything ever
gets resolved, because your government and those corporations in
charge are apparently entitled to unlimited do-overs and spendy
mistakes that are supposed cost the rest of us dearly.
On the other Ove-Glove protected hand, that truly geothermal driven
plus unavoidably greenhouse hellish environmental unfriendliness of
Venus doesn’t mean we still can’t go there and proceed to take as much
metallicity as we like. No doubt the ‘Ove Glove’ is going to become
standard issue, as well as wearing a thermal barrier suit that’s
probably created by the same “made in China” Ove Glove product that’s
upgraded by having been outfitted with its own circulatory heat
exchanging, so that stepping outside to pee or poop isn’t going to get
lethal (just kidding, because by then we’ll have those $100M
toilets). In other words, applied physics and reasonably good
technology is clearly going to be required for this one, as well as
most every other off-world location we can think of (including our
hellish moon whereas our guys with all of their “right stuff” had no
problems nor even any operational indications for getting rid of their
surplus body heat). This is not to say that technological
complications and otherwise having to adapt ourselves to that hellish
environment of Venus isn’t going to take some extra special efforts
whenever going outside of controlled habitats.
Of course we few investigative independents always have the usual
media gauntlet of public funded naysay jokers and FUD-masters within
these public Usenet/newsgroups, as well as saturated within most other
public accessible forums that also can’t hardly think for themselves,
other than to mainstream parrot and/or thinking of new and improved
ways to topic/author stalk, discredit and/or simply trashing and
taking advantage of anyone that’s independently thinking or at risk of
making a difference for the greater good. This sort of mainstream
approved naysay coordinated opposition will typically insist that any
such off-world expeditions (no matters how nearby and/or technically
doable) are doomed to failure because our Earth is supposed to be the
one and only suitable planet for accommodating any form of intelligent
life. Usually these individuals are having to hide behind bogus IDs
and are kind of out of shape and/or disfigured folks as somewhat
unhealthy dysfunctionals or shut-ins, that often have little or
nothing of their own accomplishments to contribute before dieing off
at a somewhat early age, so they usually parrot and invoke FUD (Fear,
Uncertainty and Doubt) as they indulge their public funded way of
living large, and taking full credit for their mainstream status quo,
plus always in denial of ever having done anything the least bit
wrong, as they so often focus upon destroying all others for sport is
typically the best these jokers can ever manage is not only accepted
but kind of required by those of their kind, because you can’t hardly
have a bogus or false flag war unless everyone is onboard as happy
campers.
In spite of this persistent gauntlet of 99.9% mainstream disproval, it
seems off-world mining, processing and exporting refined elements of
rare metallicity back to Earth is going to be much less problematic
whenever you have unlimited local energy, and it only gets way better
yet when there are none of those usual naysay protestors to contend
with. Of course we can all see the corporate likes of BP and other
Big Energy doing those really stupid and risky sorts of stuff, because
they have absolutely no regard as to protecting human life nor the
environment, other than fastidiously put to good use within their
carefully staged and orchestrated PR campaigns, and for the usual
pandering they provide to whatever government regulatory agencies
getting in their way or withholding public loot, thereby insuring that
in the end we consumers always get to pay for everything (especially
paying for their screw-ups). Of course our indoctrinated K12s have
been systematically educated or rather ulterior indoctrinated as to
think otherwise, so that the likes of BP and their puppet
government(s) can essentially get unlimited do-overs with little or no
actual negative consequences to any of their offshore bank accounts.
Any such extremely distant exoplanet such as Kepler 22b that offers a
potentially Goldilocks hulk worthy Eden at perhaps twice our local
gravity is quite naturally going to be interesting to ponder, although
at 600 light years distance is kind of putting that large and
supposedly water-world in a kind of no-win situation as far as
anything we might seriously consider as a second Earth or Eden worthy
of accommodating our hybrid human hulks or perhaps exoskeletal types
that have been evolved or intelligent design engineered with at least
half again the bone or outer shell mass in order to deal with such
gravity, not to mention that it’s atmosphere could easily be worth 100
kg/m3 buoyancy plus 125 bar(1813 psi) is going to make most of our
educated folks cringe (not that such pressure and buoyancy can’t be
physiologically adapted to).
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Researchers-propose-system-to-find-life-elsewhere-2292416.php
"Habitability in a wider sense is not necessarily restricted to water
as a solvent or to a planet circling a star," the paper said. "For
example, the hydrocarbon lakes on Titan could host a different form of
life."
"Orphan planets wandering free of any central star could likewise
conceivably feature conditions suitable for some form of life,"
From spent solar systems, such worthy inner-galactic items as
wandering/rogue planets, planetoids and/or moons of sufficiently large
rocky or gas giants could easily amount to 5e12 items, so there’s
really no shortage of those to pick from, and if the innards of Earth
isn’t quite what we’d thought it was made of, then perhaps Venus and
our moon are each going to be full of surprises too.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/24/earth_core_silicon_perhaps/
In other words, in addition to conventional main sequence solar system
planets and whatever planetoids or moons to pick from, we should not
be so quick as to excluding those of WDs, as having been set free.
When a main sequence star goes kaput, its planets are gradually
released as mostly intact unless the final demise of their star was a
sudden nova or mostly certainly problematic when terminated by a
supernova event. Fortunately, most stars just manage to sequence out
gradually, letting go of their planets because their orbital velocity
didn’t slow down enough to stick with their spent star as having lost
any significant portion of its original mass. This means there are
probably a whole lot more wandering/rogue planets along with their
moons and significant planetoids plus bulky asteroids by now than
there are stars, and especially as possible accounting if we’re merely
including everything of an icy Sedna planetoid and larger class item
that’s no longer tidal bound to its original star. The spendy and
much delayed JWST should be capable of spotting some of those passing
nearby, although the vast majority (at least 99.9999%) of wandering/
rogue icy planets, planetoids and asteroids within our galaxy are
going to forever remain as invisible to us, because they are not
radiating much energy, as well as the galactic volume and distances
are simply so great.
Any newish acting planet like Venus or perhaps even those geologically
active moons of substantial gas giants will likely be surviving and
accommodating their versions of metallicity plus complex and even
intelligent other life without any local sun. This interpretation of
course increases the odds of such other wandering/rogue planets as
sustaining complex and conceivably intelligent other life, as being
considerably better than most faith-based and politically correct
mainstreamers would likely care to admit.
On Dec 5, 7:24 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/27/11 10:10 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> > On Nov 27, 7:53 pm, Sam Wormley<sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> How long can something function on Venus?
> > If it's electromechanically rated for full capacity loads at 811K, it
> > should run until something not heat related fails or wears out.
>
> Good Luck with that! Sounds expensive.
Yes indeed, whereas diamond ICs or even cold-cathode vacuum tubes are
going to be relatively spendy, as well as most other electromechanical
devices will not be cheap, not to mention our having to create their
spendy composite rigid airship (initially telerobotic) could easily
cost us a billion (not including the cost of getting it there). The
relatively cool Venus outpost/gateway or oasis at Venus L2 is also
going to be spendy, at perhaps costing at least 250 billion once
everything is accounted for accommodating a dozen or more humans
that'll have to remain deployed for each 19 month cycle, although
getting monthly supplies deployed to Venus L2 shouldn’t be interrupted
for near half of each cycle.
A fully manned composite rigid airship might cost as little as 2.5
billion (plus its delivery), and a suitable shuttle for getting folks
to/from Venus L2 and their composite rigid airship most certainly
isn’t going to be cheap. So perhaps investing a trillion dollars
should be planned on behalf of this conquest that’ll likely take a
good decade in order to accomplish. Though nowadays we seem intent
upon casually spending more than twice that much per year on false
flag and/or bogus wars that are really about controlling and/or
dominating our terrestrial hydrocarbons and metallicity, so there
really isn’t any shortage of public and private loot, now is there.
Digital imaging (even if using a diamond CCD imager) would likely
require active thermal management, although that's certainly not
unknown by physics or even insurmountable by existing thermal
management technology that actively cools imagers as is. However, 1
meter or better SAR imaging resolution is certainly within spec of
existing radar imaging technology that doesn’t involve optics or much
less care if it’s day or night, cloudy or not.
http://www.innovationcooling.com/ICDDatasheet.htm
http://www.margaretmorrisbooks.com/diamond_microcircuitry.html
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/92170-nanodiamond-transistors-and-house-sized-computers-are-coming
Unlike the mainstream closed mindset of our current K12s and higher
educated folks that usually claim to always be politically and faith-
based correct, plus knowing absolutely everything there is to know and
thereby having to explicitly believe in absolutely everything our
government and their agencies ever have to say, whereas I've never
once suggested accomplishing a hellish planet like Venus was ever
going to be cheap nor easy, however the metallicity payback is going
to be a thousand fold worth the investment (same goes for our moon).
The rest of this topic will naturally continue to include references
to those extremely unusual looking items as though representing
structures and their potential infrastructure of what either once
existed or should still exist as representing some other form of
imported or indigenous intelligent life. So don’t blame little old me
if those patterns of pixels keep looking as somewhat artificial and
rational, as though having been established by whatever intelligence
managed to put together in spite of that environment being so freaking
hot.
is easier said than done. Perhaps the core of Venus is most likely
the whole fluid interior volume that’s below its relatively thin
crust. In other words, a mostly fluid core radius of perhaps 5800 km,
with a 12 km average basalt crust thickness plus something like
another 240 km of granite and silicon dioxide. From what little I can
interpret, it’s extremely difficult to estimate the porosity,
metallicity and average density of the surface bedrock. For all we
know the surface was extensively built up from basaltic silica poor
magma (not unlike parts of Earth), except higher metallicity.
All solar system bodies and/or chunks of spent or broken bodies have
their mostly paramagnetic metallicity (magnetic susceptibility) plus a
geothermal core of reserve or residual formation energy, including
those planetoids and asteroids as thermally cloaked by their solid icy
covered surface that typically represent a portion of the Oort cloud
mass, as carbon buckyball lampblack and nearly invisible to most
astronomy because such thick ice cover is actually another very good
insulator against the average 3e-8 w/m2 of IGM influx, or perhaps
worth as much IGM+ISM as 9e-3 w/m2 (20 K outside of molecular/nebula
clouds like the LMC or the black molecular/nebula of Barnard 68 that
offers 30 K down to as little as 10 K within its darkest core), that
gradually depletes unless having been sustained by some considerable
insulation or fueled by the natural radioactive decay/fission process,
and/or maintained by way of having a massive enough moon or binary
orbiting mass that’ll continually modulate the entire planet, like the
way our moon keeps this planet nicely modulated and a little extra
geodynamically active and toasty inside. In other words, nothing as
wandering/rogue within our galaxy, as naked and solid as any
physically dark planetoid or asteroid is ever going to see the
millennium when it get its core much below 25 K, unless it’s extremely
old and surrounded and thus shielded by something like Barnard 68
(supposedly the coldest polar craters on our physically dark moon are
worth 35 K or roughly 15 to 25 K above the IGM+ISM starshine).
Supposedly the most isolated IGM is only worth 2.7 K, although waves
of energy and molecular clouds of warmer elements seems to exist just
about everywhere an astronomer cares to look, so at the absolute very
worst any cryogenic iced surface of a intergalactic wandering/rogue
planet is ever going to feel is perhaps 3 K or 4.6e-8 w/m2, which is
seriously cold and even stealth to some of the best IR astronomy.
In other words, a sufficiently thick ice covered planet, planetoid or
moon isn’t going to be easily detected until it’s nearly upon us, no
matter how much residual, fission or tidal induced heating of its
innards is taking place.
The geothermal core heat of Mars is currently worth nearly zilch, as
perhaps worth an estimate of something like at most the successive
square root of 2000 per 2 km depth if going inward from its mostly
cryogenic surface. More than likely that core of Mars has cooled off
to something below 2000 K (suggesting that it’s roughly twice as hot
and likely several times the mass as offered by our lunar core). In
other words, we could pick up 47.7 K by going in the first 2 km by
using the successive square root of 2000 per each 2 km depth is what
becomes worth 44.7 K for that first 2 km depth, and that same method
amounts to contributing 62 K for the first 20 km depth, making its
core worth something like a cool 1750 K (62 K less than molten iron),
and our smaller lunar core seems to be worth roughly half that amount.
This rather crude method of estimating the geothermal gradient of
residual core energy should also work for our moon, using that same
square root of 2000 per each 2 km gives a core temperature of 921 K.
But since we can’t hardly manage to get ourselves safely to/from our
moon or much less Mars, it doesn’t hardly matter even if there was
another garden of Eden discovered, because for Mars there’s hardly
enough surface energy from the sun and thus far no apparent geothermal
vents available to keep a minimal robotic machine as barely operating
only by day. Naturally with better science we can further adjust this
swag formula of estimating the residual core energy, such as by using
the square root of 2500 per 1.5 km yields a 50 K benefit by going in
1.5 km, offers a 1216 K core temperature, though I kind of doubt it’s
anywhere near that toasty, much less fluid iron hot (1812 K) as some
might suggest. As for Earth using the square root of it’s radius per
every 1.5 km depth works out to a geothermal core of 5187 K, not
including the continuous tidal modulation of perhaps 55e-9 w/m3 and
the radiological decay generated heat of 24e-9 w/m3 would make this
estimate a tough call.
In other words, once 0.1 km or more below our surface or below .5 km
of solid ice is where whatever amount of solar influx is fully
nullified, and it’s only the residual core plus whatever radiological
decay plus any tidal modulation that counts, which is very good news
for all of those 5e12 wandering/rogue planets (some with Earth sized
moons) as having lost their original sun but otherwise perfectly
capable of sustaining any number of intelligent species that was able
to take full advantage of what residual and fission generated heat as
practically renewable energy situated just a short distance below
their cryogenic surface.
Venus is still another exceptional variation as to estimating its
geothermal gradient, especially since there’s hardly any solar tidal
and zero lunar tidal modulation, and it’s rather nicely better
atmospheric hothouse insulated than us. The geothermal heated surface
of Venus is likely sustained by having 3 to 4 times as much
radiological heating per m3, with its thorium getting primed by those
necessary protons from uranium and plutonium that’s created by the
ongoing internal fission decay process within and below its thin crust
that some geologist interpret as being only half as thick as ours and
perhaps only 300 million years old. Thus far, using the successive
square root of its radius and per km, I’ve got the geothermal core of
Venus pegged at 6140 K plus whatever boosted by the ongoing
radiological fissions of perhaps 75e-9 to 100e-9 w/m3 could easily
generate and sustain a radiological fission boosted core heat that’s
worth perhaps 7000 K, and for any nearby planet of that
thermodynamically active volume is actually quite impressive. In
other words, if a planet like Venus were to get set free to roam about
the galaxy as a wandering/rogue planet, it would still have a robust
atmosphere and a its very geothermal made toasty surface for many
millions or possibly billions of years to come, though offering a
somewhat cooler surface because of the lack of any solar influx would
likely cause that surface to better solidify and atmospheric
temperatures to drop by a good 100~300 K (somewhat depending on local
geothermal ventings and those active volcanic considerations), making
parts of that surface kind of thermally conducive to life as we know
it, though hardly anything Eden worthy, and its purely upper cryogenic
atmosphere that’s kept aloft by the greater density and buoyancy of
the warmer atmosphere below, would likely keep it cloaked to most
forms of astronomy other than the likes of JWST and radio-astronomy
that has no problems detecting such LWIR and the submillimeter
spectrum that would detect such seemingly icy cold shrouded items as
hosting a hot oasis wandering in the otherwise cold ISM.
The best available science indications as to the extra metallicity and
rather enormous geothermal gradient of Venus is that of an actively
fluid interior at just a few km under its 750 K toasty surface of a
thin metallicity basalt crust that’s already identified as saturated
with considerable uranium and thorium deposits, meaning that the
ultimate mother-load of its precious and common metallicity is going
to be the entire planet Venus. However, it seems only planets that
have been mainstream Goldilocks approved are getting any media or K-12
attention, and who in their right mind would knowingly send only our
most dumbfounded and naked Goldilocks to Venus, and otherwise what
exactly would any Goldilocks even know of or care about metallicity?
After all, most of us public educated K-12s have been so
intellectually deprived that they don’t even know what any terminology
of metallicity, paramagnetic or diamagnetic even means, and they
certainly can not appreciate the values of such elements, nor
accomplish any independent investigative research or much less
deductively interpret anything for the greater benefit of themselves
and others (too busy with their important texting, video gaming and
swapping pirated music and video material), especially put off with
the usual gauntlet of intellectual oligarch parrots like our
mainstream of those mostly public-funded as brown-nosed clowns and FUD-
masters as their peers telling them whatever they can or can not
interpret. Fortunately, most K-12s can not even begin to comprehend
the depth and scope by which their faith and its government has
snookered them by way of compartmentalization and obfuscation, which
naturally isn’t supposed to be the same thing as telling us lies.
Btw, thus far the record is perfectly clear if you should blow any
whistle, because the odds are that you’ll lose everything and even end
up doing hard time, or at best die of old age before anything ever
gets resolved, because your government and those corporations in
charge are apparently entitled to unlimited do-overs and spendy
mistakes that are supposed cost the rest of us dearly.
On the other Ove-Glove protected hand, that truly geothermal driven
plus unavoidably greenhouse hellish environmental unfriendliness of
Venus doesn’t mean we still can’t go there and proceed to take as much
metallicity as we like. No doubt the ‘Ove Glove’ is going to become
standard issue, as well as wearing a thermal barrier suit that’s
probably created by the same “made in China” Ove Glove product that’s
upgraded by having been outfitted with its own circulatory heat
exchanging, so that stepping outside to pee or poop isn’t going to get
lethal (just kidding, because by then we’ll have those $100M
toilets). In other words, applied physics and reasonably good
technology is clearly going to be required for this one, as well as
most every other off-world location we can think of (including our
hellish moon whereas our guys with all of their “right stuff” had no
problems nor even any operational indications for getting rid of their
surplus body heat). This is not to say that technological
complications and otherwise having to adapt ourselves to that hellish
environment of Venus isn’t going to take some extra special efforts
whenever going outside of controlled habitats.
Of course we few investigative independents always have the usual
media gauntlet of public funded naysay jokers and FUD-masters within
these public Usenet/newsgroups, as well as saturated within most other
public accessible forums that also can’t hardly think for themselves,
other than to mainstream parrot and/or thinking of new and improved
ways to topic/author stalk, discredit and/or simply trashing and
taking advantage of anyone that’s independently thinking or at risk of
making a difference for the greater good. This sort of mainstream
approved naysay coordinated opposition will typically insist that any
such off-world expeditions (no matters how nearby and/or technically
doable) are doomed to failure because our Earth is supposed to be the
one and only suitable planet for accommodating any form of intelligent
life. Usually these individuals are having to hide behind bogus IDs
and are kind of out of shape and/or disfigured folks as somewhat
unhealthy dysfunctionals or shut-ins, that often have little or
nothing of their own accomplishments to contribute before dieing off
at a somewhat early age, so they usually parrot and invoke FUD (Fear,
Uncertainty and Doubt) as they indulge their public funded way of
living large, and taking full credit for their mainstream status quo,
plus always in denial of ever having done anything the least bit
wrong, as they so often focus upon destroying all others for sport is
typically the best these jokers can ever manage is not only accepted
but kind of required by those of their kind, because you can’t hardly
have a bogus or false flag war unless everyone is onboard as happy
campers.
In spite of this persistent gauntlet of 99.9% mainstream disproval, it
seems off-world mining, processing and exporting refined elements of
rare metallicity back to Earth is going to be much less problematic
whenever you have unlimited local energy, and it only gets way better
yet when there are none of those usual naysay protestors to contend
with. Of course we can all see the corporate likes of BP and other
Big Energy doing those really stupid and risky sorts of stuff, because
they have absolutely no regard as to protecting human life nor the
environment, other than fastidiously put to good use within their
carefully staged and orchestrated PR campaigns, and for the usual
pandering they provide to whatever government regulatory agencies
getting in their way or withholding public loot, thereby insuring that
in the end we consumers always get to pay for everything (especially
paying for their screw-ups). Of course our indoctrinated K12s have
been systematically educated or rather ulterior indoctrinated as to
think otherwise, so that the likes of BP and their puppet
government(s) can essentially get unlimited do-overs with little or no
actual negative consequences to any of their offshore bank accounts.
Any such extremely distant exoplanet such as Kepler 22b that offers a
potentially Goldilocks hulk worthy Eden at perhaps twice our local
gravity is quite naturally going to be interesting to ponder, although
at 600 light years distance is kind of putting that large and
supposedly water-world in a kind of no-win situation as far as
anything we might seriously consider as a second Earth or Eden worthy
of accommodating our hybrid human hulks or perhaps exoskeletal types
that have been evolved or intelligent design engineered with at least
half again the bone or outer shell mass in order to deal with such
gravity, not to mention that it’s atmosphere could easily be worth 100
kg/m3 buoyancy plus 125 bar(1813 psi) is going to make most of our
educated folks cringe (not that such pressure and buoyancy can’t be
physiologically adapted to).
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Researchers-propose-system-to-find-life-elsewhere-2292416.php
"Habitability in a wider sense is not necessarily restricted to water
as a solvent or to a planet circling a star," the paper said. "For
example, the hydrocarbon lakes on Titan could host a different form of
life."
"Orphan planets wandering free of any central star could likewise
conceivably feature conditions suitable for some form of life,"
From spent solar systems, such worthy inner-galactic items as
wandering/rogue planets, planetoids and/or moons of sufficiently large
rocky or gas giants could easily amount to 5e12 items, so there’s
really no shortage of those to pick from, and if the innards of Earth
isn’t quite what we’d thought it was made of, then perhaps Venus and
our moon are each going to be full of surprises too.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/24/earth_core_silicon_perhaps/
In other words, in addition to conventional main sequence solar system
planets and whatever planetoids or moons to pick from, we should not
be so quick as to excluding those of WDs, as having been set free.
When a main sequence star goes kaput, its planets are gradually
released as mostly intact unless the final demise of their star was a
sudden nova or mostly certainly problematic when terminated by a
supernova event. Fortunately, most stars just manage to sequence out
gradually, letting go of their planets because their orbital velocity
didn’t slow down enough to stick with their spent star as having lost
any significant portion of its original mass. This means there are
probably a whole lot more wandering/rogue planets along with their
moons and significant planetoids plus bulky asteroids by now than
there are stars, and especially as possible accounting if we’re merely
including everything of an icy Sedna planetoid and larger class item
that’s no longer tidal bound to its original star. The spendy and
much delayed JWST should be capable of spotting some of those passing
nearby, although the vast majority (at least 99.9999%) of wandering/
rogue icy planets, planetoids and asteroids within our galaxy are
going to forever remain as invisible to us, because they are not
radiating much energy, as well as the galactic volume and distances
are simply so great.
Any newish acting planet like Venus or perhaps even those geologically
active moons of substantial gas giants will likely be surviving and
accommodating their versions of metallicity plus complex and even
intelligent other life without any local sun. This interpretation of
course increases the odds of such other wandering/rogue planets as
sustaining complex and conceivably intelligent other life, as being
considerably better than most faith-based and politically correct
mainstreamers would likely care to admit.
On Dec 5, 7:24 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/27/11 10:10 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> > On Nov 27, 7:53 pm, Sam Wormley<sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> How long can something function on Venus?
> > If it's electromechanically rated for full capacity loads at 811K, it
> > should run until something not heat related fails or wears out.
>
> Good Luck with that! Sounds expensive.
Yes indeed, whereas diamond ICs or even cold-cathode vacuum tubes are
going to be relatively spendy, as well as most other electromechanical
devices will not be cheap, not to mention our having to create their
spendy composite rigid airship (initially telerobotic) could easily
cost us a billion (not including the cost of getting it there). The
relatively cool Venus outpost/gateway or oasis at Venus L2 is also
going to be spendy, at perhaps costing at least 250 billion once
everything is accounted for accommodating a dozen or more humans
that'll have to remain deployed for each 19 month cycle, although
getting monthly supplies deployed to Venus L2 shouldn’t be interrupted
for near half of each cycle.
A fully manned composite rigid airship might cost as little as 2.5
billion (plus its delivery), and a suitable shuttle for getting folks
to/from Venus L2 and their composite rigid airship most certainly
isn’t going to be cheap. So perhaps investing a trillion dollars
should be planned on behalf of this conquest that’ll likely take a
good decade in order to accomplish. Though nowadays we seem intent
upon casually spending more than twice that much per year on false
flag and/or bogus wars that are really about controlling and/or
dominating our terrestrial hydrocarbons and metallicity, so there
really isn’t any shortage of public and private loot, now is there.
Digital imaging (even if using a diamond CCD imager) would likely
require active thermal management, although that's certainly not
unknown by physics or even insurmountable by existing thermal
management technology that actively cools imagers as is. However, 1
meter or better SAR imaging resolution is certainly within spec of
existing radar imaging technology that doesn’t involve optics or much
less care if it’s day or night, cloudy or not.
http://www.innovationcooling.com/ICDDatasheet.htm
http://www.margaretmorrisbooks.com/diamond_microcircuitry.html
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/92170-nanodiamond-transistors-and-house-sized-computers-are-coming
Unlike the mainstream closed mindset of our current K12s and higher
educated folks that usually claim to always be politically and faith-
based correct, plus knowing absolutely everything there is to know and
thereby having to explicitly believe in absolutely everything our
government and their agencies ever have to say, whereas I've never
once suggested accomplishing a hellish planet like Venus was ever
going to be cheap nor easy, however the metallicity payback is going
to be a thousand fold worth the investment (same goes for our moon).
The rest of this topic will naturally continue to include references
to those extremely unusual looking items as though representing
structures and their potential infrastructure of what either once
existed or should still exist as representing some other form of
imported or indigenous intelligent life. So don’t blame little old me
if those patterns of pixels keep looking as somewhat artificial and
rational, as though having been established by whatever intelligence
managed to put together in spite of that environment being so freaking
hot.
Brad Guth
Jan 3, 2012, 4:32:59 AM1/3/12
to
Nothing about the planet Venus makes any good geology or physics
sense, and most certainly not as to when or why it ever got so hot and
stayed that way. Clearly all rocky planets and moons have a common
origin and by rights should have similar saturations of metallicity as
derived by the initial spin-off from our sun, although captures from
other solar systems that sequenced out or became dysfunctional for
whatever reason(s) shouldn’t be entirely excluded.
No doubt whatsoever, that certain raw molecular elements can be
created and energy extracted via fusion and/or by other synthetic or
artificial methods (such as common, weird and/or exotic elements are
created within and extracted from fission reactors all the time), and
it’s well enough accepted that the initial fusion process of a
spinning star is where sufficient mass was tossed off to help form
planets, planetoids, moons and asteroids. However, 99.9999% of us do
not seem to have this Einstein or William Mook superiority capability
of knowing everything there is to know, nor any way of affording to
have others such as Mokenergy and others delivering it to us on a
silver platter. So instead of the Mokenergy of cheap, clean and
relatively abundant energy via Li-6 Deuteride, we must rely upon those
conventional crude methods of combustion with toxic elements plus
those carbon producing methods of using hydrocarbons, and otherwise
from those traditional hydrodynamic and thermodynamic energy
conversion methods, such as Mokenergy supplying us with his renewable
and cheap hydrogen from solar energy at just 17.4 cents/kg would
certainly have been a very good thing as of more than a decade ago,
not to mention obtaining electrons directly via PV and always those
other easily derived forms of renewable clean energy that would follow
suit (including my HTP along with only a small amount of synfuel
that's good for lots of nifty stuff besides its clean energy that can
be stored almost indefinitely as a fluid, and we get to benefit from
its way better synfuel efficiency that’ll produce minimal CO2 and zero
NOx).
Sadly we’re still not moving forward on any of those options, so it’s
down to terrestrial hydrocarbons and a few other standards that are
also not advancing fast enough for most of the world that isn’t
capable of paying the going price. This might suggest that perhaps
off-world resources of energy and raw elements can’t be continually
ignored without dire consequences. But then I’ve been pointing this
and other related matter out for more than a decade with nothing but
banishment and/or exclusion applied, so it’s hard to tell as to when
if ever the message will get through the thick skulls of those
unwilling change nor revise anything.
Our physically dark moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus may
each seem a wee bit extreme for going off-world on behalf of
sustaining our global energy and metallicity demands, but this may
become our only failsafe way out of this hydrocarbon addiction plus
multiple other resource depletions. Even though William Mook can show
us where much cleaner and more efficient terrestrial methods for
obtaining natural solar renewable hydrogen plus otherwise creating
quality synfuels from coal plus his Li-6 + deuterium usage is
technically doable, it seems the social/political infrastructure
either hasn’t been willing or perhaps isn’t capable of changing
course, especially with the current and next generation of K-12s so
unable to deductively think for themselves.
As is the energy dependent world spills, leaks and/or via blowouts has
managed to pollute the surface and oceans with over a billion barrels
worth of crude oil per year, and the vast majority of which does not
get cleaned up or otherwise salvaged, plus likewise another hundred
trillion cubic meters worth of natural gas leakage that’s including
whatever’s intentionally getting raw vented as well as via extensive
flaring plus the natural gas industry consumption and their numerous
volumetric forms of wastage that’s getting dumped into the atmosphere
as raw gasses, plus its combustion derived CO2, NOx and of course the
radiological decay produced element of helium(He) that always passes
through is not exactly an insignificant loss of mass. Adding in the
all-inclusive coal extraction, transports and direct industry usage
for sustaining all of that, it really doesn’t take a rocket scientist
to figure out that our terrestrial resources of hydrocarbon energy is
systematically killing us, as well as having been bankrupting us.
The considerable loss of helium alone should have been given some
consideration on behalf of conserving that and a few other valuable
elements of raw natural gas as of decades ago, but instead our K-12s
and most others don’t seem to care or have any clue, much less
investigative motivation to find out how much tonnage of helium per
year our world is losing track of, yet they’ll complain relentlessly
over the slightest smells or physical contact by anything more toxic
than pure water (most of which are perfectly harmless), so obviously
any ongoing loss of helium doesn’t count.
The OCO mission was going to help map and quantify the thermodynamics
of our planet, as well as whatever’s naturally and artificially
polluting our atmosphere, as well as data from other satellites
packing sufficient instruments for tracking and quantifying land and
sea pollutions (including a surface geothermal energy map of km2 or
better resolution), although each time they seem to get either foiled
or discredited to the point that we still have no good real-time idea
or historical data as to our global dimming and subsequent warming
situation, and because Big Energy with their all-inclusive
contributions are not very good nor all that trustworthy at keeping
records as to monitoring their own global contributions, perhaps
because only the final portion of whatever gets delivered to the final
end-user seems to count, whereas the all-inclusive volumes taken in
order to get that final end-use delivered hydrocarbon product are
what’s typically not being accounted for or otherwise disclosed. So,
other than deductively connecting the investigative dots, who really
knows how much and to what extent it has affected our global
environment.
As long as this mainstream energy status-quo policy of need-to-know,
nondisclosures, science obfuscation and outright denial of any wrong
doing is not allowed to change for the better, plus China, India and a
few other advancing nations each demanding their fair share of
hydrocarbon derived energy, means that we’d best get with the off-
world program of taking from our moon and Venus, in that each of those
options seem to have lots of metallicity and their own local energy to
spare. Boeing is currently boasting about their 100+% efficient PV
conversion of sunlight into electrons, and on the moon by day that’s
worth near 1.4 kw/m2, and no doubt another couple spendy decades from
now those highly efficient PV alternatives that each require a great
deal of valuable metallicity and energy in order to produce such
efficient PVs, will actually become commercially and retail available
to the rest of us at a price that perhaps only the Rothschilds can
afford, unless off-world resources can manage to flood the global
market with cheaper alternatives and thereby advert other social/
political and resource wars at the same time.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
sense, and most certainly not as to when or why it ever got so hot and
stayed that way. Clearly all rocky planets and moons have a common
origin and by rights should have similar saturations of metallicity as
derived by the initial spin-off from our sun, although captures from
other solar systems that sequenced out or became dysfunctional for
whatever reason(s) shouldn’t be entirely excluded.
No doubt whatsoever, that certain raw molecular elements can be
created and energy extracted via fusion and/or by other synthetic or
artificial methods (such as common, weird and/or exotic elements are
created within and extracted from fission reactors all the time), and
it’s well enough accepted that the initial fusion process of a
spinning star is where sufficient mass was tossed off to help form
planets, planetoids, moons and asteroids. However, 99.9999% of us do
not seem to have this Einstein or William Mook superiority capability
of knowing everything there is to know, nor any way of affording to
have others such as Mokenergy and others delivering it to us on a
silver platter. So instead of the Mokenergy of cheap, clean and
relatively abundant energy via Li-6 Deuteride, we must rely upon those
conventional crude methods of combustion with toxic elements plus
those carbon producing methods of using hydrocarbons, and otherwise
from those traditional hydrodynamic and thermodynamic energy
conversion methods, such as Mokenergy supplying us with his renewable
and cheap hydrogen from solar energy at just 17.4 cents/kg would
certainly have been a very good thing as of more than a decade ago,
not to mention obtaining electrons directly via PV and always those
other easily derived forms of renewable clean energy that would follow
suit (including my HTP along with only a small amount of synfuel
that's good for lots of nifty stuff besides its clean energy that can
be stored almost indefinitely as a fluid, and we get to benefit from
its way better synfuel efficiency that’ll produce minimal CO2 and zero
NOx).
Sadly we’re still not moving forward on any of those options, so it’s
down to terrestrial hydrocarbons and a few other standards that are
also not advancing fast enough for most of the world that isn’t
capable of paying the going price. This might suggest that perhaps
off-world resources of energy and raw elements can’t be continually
ignored without dire consequences. But then I’ve been pointing this
and other related matter out for more than a decade with nothing but
banishment and/or exclusion applied, so it’s hard to tell as to when
if ever the message will get through the thick skulls of those
unwilling change nor revise anything.
Our physically dark moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus may
each seem a wee bit extreme for going off-world on behalf of
sustaining our global energy and metallicity demands, but this may
become our only failsafe way out of this hydrocarbon addiction plus
multiple other resource depletions. Even though William Mook can show
us where much cleaner and more efficient terrestrial methods for
obtaining natural solar renewable hydrogen plus otherwise creating
quality synfuels from coal plus his Li-6 + deuterium usage is
technically doable, it seems the social/political infrastructure
either hasn’t been willing or perhaps isn’t capable of changing
course, especially with the current and next generation of K-12s so
unable to deductively think for themselves.
As is the energy dependent world spills, leaks and/or via blowouts has
managed to pollute the surface and oceans with over a billion barrels
worth of crude oil per year, and the vast majority of which does not
get cleaned up or otherwise salvaged, plus likewise another hundred
trillion cubic meters worth of natural gas leakage that’s including
whatever’s intentionally getting raw vented as well as via extensive
flaring plus the natural gas industry consumption and their numerous
volumetric forms of wastage that’s getting dumped into the atmosphere
as raw gasses, plus its combustion derived CO2, NOx and of course the
radiological decay produced element of helium(He) that always passes
through is not exactly an insignificant loss of mass. Adding in the
all-inclusive coal extraction, transports and direct industry usage
for sustaining all of that, it really doesn’t take a rocket scientist
to figure out that our terrestrial resources of hydrocarbon energy is
systematically killing us, as well as having been bankrupting us.
The considerable loss of helium alone should have been given some
consideration on behalf of conserving that and a few other valuable
elements of raw natural gas as of decades ago, but instead our K-12s
and most others don’t seem to care or have any clue, much less
investigative motivation to find out how much tonnage of helium per
year our world is losing track of, yet they’ll complain relentlessly
over the slightest smells or physical contact by anything more toxic
than pure water (most of which are perfectly harmless), so obviously
any ongoing loss of helium doesn’t count.
The OCO mission was going to help map and quantify the thermodynamics
of our planet, as well as whatever’s naturally and artificially
polluting our atmosphere, as well as data from other satellites
packing sufficient instruments for tracking and quantifying land and
sea pollutions (including a surface geothermal energy map of km2 or
better resolution), although each time they seem to get either foiled
or discredited to the point that we still have no good real-time idea
or historical data as to our global dimming and subsequent warming
situation, and because Big Energy with their all-inclusive
contributions are not very good nor all that trustworthy at keeping
records as to monitoring their own global contributions, perhaps
because only the final portion of whatever gets delivered to the final
end-user seems to count, whereas the all-inclusive volumes taken in
order to get that final end-use delivered hydrocarbon product are
what’s typically not being accounted for or otherwise disclosed. So,
other than deductively connecting the investigative dots, who really
knows how much and to what extent it has affected our global
environment.
As long as this mainstream energy status-quo policy of need-to-know,
nondisclosures, science obfuscation and outright denial of any wrong
doing is not allowed to change for the better, plus China, India and a
few other advancing nations each demanding their fair share of
hydrocarbon derived energy, means that we’d best get with the off-
world program of taking from our moon and Venus, in that each of those
options seem to have lots of metallicity and their own local energy to
spare. Boeing is currently boasting about their 100+% efficient PV
conversion of sunlight into electrons, and on the moon by day that’s
worth near 1.4 kw/m2, and no doubt another couple spendy decades from
now those highly efficient PV alternatives that each require a great
deal of valuable metallicity and energy in order to produce such
efficient PVs, will actually become commercially and retail available
to the rest of us at a price that perhaps only the Rothschilds can
afford, unless off-world resources can manage to flood the global
market with cheaper alternatives and thereby advert other social/
political and resource wars at the same time.
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Brad Guth
Jan 3, 2012, 5:30:14 AM1/3/12
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It's certainly possible though highly unlikely that Venus was ever a
wet and cool planet in the way of interpreting as another Eden that's
suited for the likes of us naked humans. However, with applied
physics and a good deal of technology is where almost anything is
possible, especially on such a nearby planet that offers so much in
natural kinds of renewable energy, 10% lower gravity, terrific
atmospheric buoyancy and loads of metallicity that covers the full
spectrum. It's kind of a mining Eden treasure trove, whereas most
every conceivable element is easily accessible as is, plus there's no
limitations of local energy for processing and exporting, because the
whole freaking planet is a natural smelting refinery of ores and you
name it.
Venus is hardly representing an oasis for the likes of any naked
Goldilocks, much less harmless to any of our K-12 and higher educated
as mostly physics and science dumbfounded individuals that can’t
hardly investigate or much less deductively think for themselves, but
never the less, at least Venus is offering an extremely nearby off-
world alternative, as a treasure trove of metallicity and energy
resources that’s not the least bit locally energy limited nor without
more than its fair share of those sufficiently valuable elements.
What Venus lacks in oxygen, water and ice, it more than makes up in
other metallicity elements and clean/renewable energy.
How many trillions per year does a moon or nearby planet need to be
worth, in order to get your attention?
Besides the really good and profitable idea of our going after the
metallicity exploitation of our physically dark moon, what extremely
nearby planet has everything essential, plus according to Russian
science plus even interpreted by some of ours and ESA would suggest it
offers more metallicity than Earth? (here’s a vague clue; Venus)
All planets and everything else imaginable (including our moon) are
perfectly natural derivatives of their local star metallicity that
most science is still trying to figure out, and for such a nearby
planet of rather terrific metallicity as Venus that’s still getting
those icy cold NASA and DARPA shoulders of denial and obfuscation,
continually receiving those super-critical authoritarian looks of
absolute taboo and/or nondisclosure, is exactly as though it’s being
regarded as some kind of weird forbidden or satanic voodoo planet
that’s simply too complicated and/or too oddly hellish and wicked for
us mortals to ever mess with. Of course having those couple or
possibly at first having three really big and nasty metallicity stars
of Sirius nearby probably wasn’t exactly a big help to our planet when
those nearby and extremely vibrant stars were in their prime, and
perhaps getting a whole lot worse yet when Sirius(B) terminated into a
white dwarf or Sirius(C) terminated as a nova or supernova would have
been extremely traumatic if not a global kind of lethal event for our
planet.
Supposedly everything of our local planets and moons were derived
entirely by that initially fast spinning main sequence birth of our
local star that fired everything up and/or as having resulted from the
initial complex process of fusion taking place within our progenitor
sun, although planet and moon captures are also becoming somewhat
better understood as plausible. Planet and moon metallicity are
merely the local happenstance of stellar and secondary geological
composition factors that one needs to always take into account, and
otherwise because it always helps to connect those metallicity dots,
so that we can best figure complex stuff out. It seems that our
physically dark and naked moon plus the extremely nearby planet Venus
are each offering their tougher surface of paramagnetic bedrock and/or
having more internal and deposited metallicity to work with than our
Earth ever had to begin with. Of course our mainstream status quo
always has to disagree and naysay regardless of the consequences, so
it’s best to never expect anything other and you will not get
disappointed.
When the sun was initially evolving from its enormous molecular/nebula
cloud, is also when it too was changing its composition as to what
sorts of metallicity elements would be given off (centripetally
disposed of), and what sorts of complex metallicity would be
retained. Of course a star is continuous evolution process and/or the
primary creator of all known elements, and the newer generation of
stars are even more so offering complex metallicity, of essentially
producing its main sequence self, planets and everything else from
those complex derivatives that came from its molecular/nebula cloud,
as will as the subsequent stellar fusion process within itself which
creates those numerous complex metallicity elements on the fly, so to
speak. Thereby, each and every stellar generation gets a little more
complex and those rules of stellar main sequence are having to
continually change to suit, not to mention when our sun recently got
surrounded by that enormous molecular/nebula cloud which produced
those hefty and vibrant nearby Sirius stars, whereas our sun should
have interacted with and/or having consumed some of that extra nebula
metallicity and stellar evolution given off by those nearby Sirius
stars.
Of course the mainstream status-quo and especially of their faith-
based insiders that usually pretend as being Atheists, but tend to act/
react exactly like devout Semites by protecting those of their own
past, current and future authority, really do not like to see any
outside concepts of ever permitting scientific change or introducing
variables because, such could involve revising history as well as
screwing up whatever they alone get to tell us is their one and only
answer to everything. In other words, modern astrophysics is kind of
like a roll of toilet paper, whereas each sheet gets paid to wipe at
something nasty before getting disposed of and moving on to the next
cosmic bowel movement that’s at risk of revising the rules, because
for the most part such revisions are not allowed.
It’s certainly not that one ever has to actually do anything extra
special with or because of such higher metallicity (unless it’s highly
radioactive and concentrated enough to being lethal or genetic
mutation worthy), just like our terrestrial oligarchs and mafia of Big
Energy (mostly via coal, oil and natural gas plus a few other spendy
synfuel hydrocarbons) here on Earth doesn’t have to bother with
preventing various radioactives and those multiple combustion slag or
soot elements from reaching our surface and getting atmospheric
exposure that makes any number of such relatively dry inert elements
highly reactive, not to mention their considerable combustion
particulates (aka soot and/or fly-ash plus creating loads of CO2 and
NOx that’s in addition to those many other mostly nasty byproducts)
that cause global dimming, nor having to worry about their oil and
natural gas leakage, spillage, blowouts, molecular conversions such as
Corexit or fret over their continual loss of helium that measurably
contributes to all the natural upwelling loss of helium which is
actually a rather considerable volumetric outflux if having to
maintain 5.24 ppm happens to mean anything (something like 26 billion
tonnes worth of helium at any given time, all of which having to be
continually resupplied from within Earth), and such radiological decay
produced helium is one of those lofty elements that simply doesn’t
molecular bind nor otherwise stick with Earth. Plus there’s also the
rather considerable all-inclusive 32:1 consumption and evaporation
cycle of fresh water that’s directly related to the energy derived via
every tonne of coal, but then who really needs all that fresh water or
minds having on average an extra teratonne of water vapor kept in the
atmosphere, because that’s only another 1% boost in water saturation
up from the norm. At least China has been doing all it can by way of
keeping as much sulfur plus other coal, natural gas and oil related
elements (many of those being toxic and/or terribly acidic) within its
local atmosphere, whereas hydrocarbon related smog that is considered
as highly destructive and undesirable by most of us, is also being
reconsidered as worthy of global cooling by others. In other words,
by way of mainstream Big Energy, apparently us humans can’t possibly
pollute enough.
So obviously our overpopulated planet that’s looking at a near certain
future of having to feed and care for 9+ billion somewhat cranky
humans, is perfectly good to go as is? (I rather doubt we can
continue as is, though perhaps only a fool or a FUD-master might
suggest that our status quo being the case is perfectly sufficient,
whereas I’m thinking more likely 8 billion could be our next great
population tipping point). Doesn’t any of this suggest we’re running
out of terrestrial options?
In other words, how much of Earth can we continually afford to dig up
and process, not to mention cultivate and/or continually farm to
death? (especially when phosphates and other natural fertilizers are
having to be artificially created)
Perhaps technically all 10+ billion humans can be sustained on this
planet without off-world considerations, at least that’s what William
Mook and others that don’t really seem to care about the 99.9% lower
caste keeps telling us. Of course, at some future point of our having
mass consumed nearly everything of value in sight plus over-populating
a given world like Earth, to the point of having perpetual war(s) over
resources, is where these terrestrial resources eventually get
depleted and/or converted into various substances that are most often
less valuable or even toxic to sustaining our complex species and the
surrounding biodiversity, whereas helium plus many of those elements
converted into acids and in some instances those element conversions
and composite blends even become ozone/O3 depleting as well as
otherwise kind of potentially toxic and even objectively proven as
being terribly lethal, as sort of reaching the saturation point of no
return. But again, that’s kind of what us modern humans have always
done and would gladly do again and again without any whatsoever
reservations or speck of remorse to this or any other world.
One perfectly viable option for us is to seriously consider pillaging
and plundering a nearby moon or planet, or even at least considering
the commercial and private development and interior exploitation of
our moon. Obviously going off-world isn’t going to be easy nor cheap,
at least not at first, but then our moon should easily be more than
worth it, even though the planet Venus is better suited as is (though
it’s not ever going to be as any naked and always dumbfounded
Goldilocks might care to think).
With Venus passing so nearby every 19 months (being such an active and
robust planet of nearly the size and mass of Earth, except somewhat
better protected by its robust atmosphere and offering 10% less
gravity for us to work against, pus offering terrific buoyancy of 65
kg/m3), that’s actively venting and thermodynamically radiating as
though it were only a few hundred million years old, whereas one might
care to further ponder the commercial and private enterprise
implications of seeing another kind of future gold-rush era that could
easily be going after those abundant metallicity elements (including
uranium, thorium and radium as well as those good old standards of
gold, silver, platinum and no doubt copper, aluminum plus always iron
and titanium shouldn’t be hard to come by).
Of course our moon and Venus have each technically been commercially
viable for decades, especially since our NASA/Apollo era proved how
reliable their Nazi engineered Saturn-5 plus how unusually inert and
passive our moon apparently is, as well as having proven how 100%
reliable and relatively failsafe were each of those fly-by-rocket
landers of that era that didn’t even bother with incorporating any
powerful momentum reaction gyros, and then our DARPA and NASA went on
to prove how extended space travel worthy plus aerodynamic worthy were
each of those shuttles that wee fully reusable as long as none of
their reentry heat shield tiles are defective or missing. There is
simply no question as to the terrific commercial/industrial and even
private value of He3, plus a complex multitude of rare metallicity and
even the element of carbonado/diamond, plus using those mostly robotic
tunnel diggers (TBMs), their excavators and raw mineral processing
technology certainly isn’t insurmountable. So, why all the
nondisclosure and otherwise, what the hell gives?
I’m still somewhat puzzled but having never been the least bit
surprised as to why this radar obtained image of “Guth Venus” has
remained so mainstream forbidden or taboo, unless it’s only because
I'm such an independent outsider (aka loose cannon) that they have
little if any control over, must be extremely dark and scary to them.
On this subject of interpreting a given image; Why is it always
permitted for our NASA and their insider associates to PhotoShop,
apply extensive frame stacking, plus artificially eyecandy colorize or
even selectively unsaturate by removing or excluding certain colors
and mainstream publish whatever image as much fortified infomercials
as they like (naturally fully public funded none the less), as offered
way past the point of no possible return from any original raw data,
while independent others are not permitted to even use the most basic
digital image resampling which can be easily reversed and/or repeated
for deductive interpretations by most anyone for obtaining the exact
same or better results?
Usually those found in Usenet/newsgroups protecting whatever their
mainstream upper most caste of oligarch and faith-based mafia have
been doing to the rest of us, have no actual photographic nor
PhotoShop expertise of their own, because that’s not their job.
However they usually claim as being all-knowing and first-hand
expertise in everything.
Without doubt, I can easily accept that most of us honestly can not
deductively interpret an image of Mickey Mouse and be certain it's
representing anything truly artificial or real, because artistic
talent and powerful computers can make such animations (especially
those of the surrounding terrain) look every bit as good or even 3D
Avatar better than real, but then at best we're handed third or forth
generation eyecandy as Kodak film recorded or rather as Kodak
transposed derivative images from our infamous Apollo missions, and
being told that everything is represented exactly as only they have
interpreted it for us (including those spectacular reproduced and
autographed images via “moonpans”), and to never mind the laws of
physics or any best other science of color/hue or contrast dynamic
range simply doesn’t count, plus otherwise just like those independent
video and audio of WTC7 being systematically explosive detonated as
necessary for their precise demolition, whereas we're being told by
the best public-funded authority that all of those independent
recorded images and audio are entirely bogus and/or an allusion that
we shouldn't bother ourselves with. So which do we believe,
especially when we follow the money and there's ample motives, means
and opportunity, and that certainly applies to all things DARPA and
NASA whenever their public funded jobs and benefit security plus their
nifty cloak of religious faith is getting put at risk.
At the same time, I can also accept the notions or interpretation that
we're not the one and only intelligence capable of having evolved from
scratch, or perhaps otherwise via directed panspermia and intelligent
design certainly can’t be ruled out. Considering the odds against us
humans emerging and evolving from scratch right here on Earth, as such
makes me reconsider the off-world possibilities as being not nearly so
insurmountable. In fact, as of decades ago our biodiversity along
with our space travel expertise could have remotely seeded and/or
stimulated another planet like a proto-Earth into becoming yet another
Eden, by simply transporting the necessary microbes and spores and/or
going full-tilt with sending a multitude of complex species to inhabit
this other world or moon, though no doubt we’d make our fair share of
creation mistakes. Personally, I wouldn’t mess with the existing
environment nor biodiversity of another planet, but then I’m not
greedy or insensitive to the needs of others, because even unique life
sequestered within our moon or anything associated with Venus
shouldn’t be disregarded any more so than underground microbes on
Mars.
For somewhat easier comprehension, I've only slightly edited the
following context and hopefully improved its syntax, so that you and
others might bother to reconsider actually looking at the specified
image instead of merely applying your preconceived and typically
closed mindset interpretations as though your braille observationology
expertise is more than sufficient. Unlike expecting you to believe in
Muslims packing and hiding WMD, all I'm asking for is the honest
deductive interpretations by others that typically claim as having
vast expertise in every conceivable science, including
observationology, to give this one an honest look-see that even some
5th graders should be qualified for.
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In the news and offered by many of our most trendy eyecandy
publications, we have our somewhat dysfunctional and perpetual
nonprofit NASA that has gotten too big to fail, and their usual
mainstream infomercial media flow of their approved hype of supposedly
peer approved science, pertaining to all sorts of astrophysics plus
boasting on behalf of numerous exoplanets that the next hundred
generations from now will never get any probe into orbit or much less
set any naked Goldilocks foot upon within any thousand generations
from now, mostly because those other worlds and moons are situated so
far away. However, perhaps the seemingly newish and extremely nearby
Venus was once an exoplanet of Sirius(B), and right now it’s captured
as passing conveniently nearby us within 100 LD every 19 months, as
well as having been more tidal rotation locked to Earth than to the
sun (or you can always believe the more than sextillion [1e21] odds
otherwise). At least at the ongoing rate such exoplanets are getting
discovered, seems to suggest there’s going to be a lot more of those
than stars, and otherwise consider that most main sequence stars of .5
Ms and larger (roughly 33% of all stars) simply can’t forever hold
onto their planets (especially of anything of 1.5 Ms or greater
doesn’t have the same extended main sequence timeline to work with as
ours of 10+ billion years has to offer), although moons of such
wandering/rogue planets should remain firm unless their sun goes nova
or worse supernova. Otherwise white dwarfs simply lose their tidal
radii grip, which allows their planets to wander off, and by now
perhaps 5e12 items of wandering/rogue planets, planetoids and their
moon exist within our galaxy.
It’s certainly not that complex life as we know it and as representing
the majority of terrestrial biodiversity didn’t originate right here
on Earth, but this is more about other complex life as having
originated off-world and having by happenstance or via directed
panspermia contributed to our terrestrial complexity and diversity, as
well as their having found a home on a few other survivable planets
and moons. In most instances those other planets and moons would
likely not be directly suitable to any degree of sustaining such
random microbe and spore panspermia, or even those intentionally
deployed as complex life would most likely not survive, but perhaps in
some instances, such as upon Earth or via technology assisted kinds of
complex life could have made a go of it on even the geologically
active and hellish pressure-cooker world of Venus, whereas at least
via applied physics and good use of basic technology is where
surviving Venus really isn’t technically insurmountable, and
especially accommodating if our sun had been a few percent less active
as of a billion years ago.
An intentionally seeded planet or suitable moon of a gas giant could
actually evolve its own complex life fairly quickly, even if we
couldn’t get ourselves directly involved with its on-location applied
physics, biology and objective science. Never the less, and even if
Venus is an original though metallicity and geology oddball of our
solar system (much like our moon that’s physically dark and its thick
crust made extensively of paramagnetic basalt); has anyone here got
any better ideas, notions or deductive swags as to further
interpreting what that extremely large clover shaped reservoir on
Venus is all about?
For those of us that are observationology dysfunctionals, here’s a not
so little size perspective: At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium /
with, as well as hydrocarbons shouldn’t be impossible once we
reconsider what the Saturn moon Titan has to work with.
Even as offering a highly conservative reservoir interpretation, it
still seems rather enormous but otherwise kind of perfectly natural,
including that other somewhat conventional reservoir above that’s
containing something fluid and seems connected. However, as far as
erosion plus looking as so downright impressive, so what the hell
gives?
At this point of my observationology (11+ years of deductive image
interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover shaped
looking geometries, and especially whenever there’s a logical
community like infrastructure pattern involved.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
wet and cool planet in the way of interpreting as another Eden that's
suited for the likes of us naked humans. However, with applied
physics and a good deal of technology is where almost anything is
possible, especially on such a nearby planet that offers so much in
natural kinds of renewable energy, 10% lower gravity, terrific
atmospheric buoyancy and loads of metallicity that covers the full
spectrum. It's kind of a mining Eden treasure trove, whereas most
every conceivable element is easily accessible as is, plus there's no
limitations of local energy for processing and exporting, because the
whole freaking planet is a natural smelting refinery of ores and you
name it.
Venus is hardly representing an oasis for the likes of any naked
Goldilocks, much less harmless to any of our K-12 and higher educated
as mostly physics and science dumbfounded individuals that can’t
hardly investigate or much less deductively think for themselves, but
never the less, at least Venus is offering an extremely nearby off-
world alternative, as a treasure trove of metallicity and energy
resources that’s not the least bit locally energy limited nor without
more than its fair share of those sufficiently valuable elements.
What Venus lacks in oxygen, water and ice, it more than makes up in
other metallicity elements and clean/renewable energy.
How many trillions per year does a moon or nearby planet need to be
worth, in order to get your attention?
Besides the really good and profitable idea of our going after the
metallicity exploitation of our physically dark moon, what extremely
nearby planet has everything essential, plus according to Russian
science plus even interpreted by some of ours and ESA would suggest it
offers more metallicity than Earth? (here’s a vague clue; Venus)
All planets and everything else imaginable (including our moon) are
perfectly natural derivatives of their local star metallicity that
most science is still trying to figure out, and for such a nearby
planet of rather terrific metallicity as Venus that’s still getting
those icy cold NASA and DARPA shoulders of denial and obfuscation,
continually receiving those super-critical authoritarian looks of
absolute taboo and/or nondisclosure, is exactly as though it’s being
regarded as some kind of weird forbidden or satanic voodoo planet
that’s simply too complicated and/or too oddly hellish and wicked for
us mortals to ever mess with. Of course having those couple or
possibly at first having three really big and nasty metallicity stars
of Sirius nearby probably wasn’t exactly a big help to our planet when
those nearby and extremely vibrant stars were in their prime, and
perhaps getting a whole lot worse yet when Sirius(B) terminated into a
white dwarf or Sirius(C) terminated as a nova or supernova would have
been extremely traumatic if not a global kind of lethal event for our
planet.
Supposedly everything of our local planets and moons were derived
entirely by that initially fast spinning main sequence birth of our
local star that fired everything up and/or as having resulted from the
initial complex process of fusion taking place within our progenitor
sun, although planet and moon captures are also becoming somewhat
better understood as plausible. Planet and moon metallicity are
merely the local happenstance of stellar and secondary geological
composition factors that one needs to always take into account, and
otherwise because it always helps to connect those metallicity dots,
so that we can best figure complex stuff out. It seems that our
physically dark and naked moon plus the extremely nearby planet Venus
are each offering their tougher surface of paramagnetic bedrock and/or
having more internal and deposited metallicity to work with than our
Earth ever had to begin with. Of course our mainstream status quo
always has to disagree and naysay regardless of the consequences, so
it’s best to never expect anything other and you will not get
disappointed.
When the sun was initially evolving from its enormous molecular/nebula
cloud, is also when it too was changing its composition as to what
sorts of metallicity elements would be given off (centripetally
disposed of), and what sorts of complex metallicity would be
retained. Of course a star is continuous evolution process and/or the
primary creator of all known elements, and the newer generation of
stars are even more so offering complex metallicity, of essentially
producing its main sequence self, planets and everything else from
those complex derivatives that came from its molecular/nebula cloud,
as will as the subsequent stellar fusion process within itself which
creates those numerous complex metallicity elements on the fly, so to
speak. Thereby, each and every stellar generation gets a little more
complex and those rules of stellar main sequence are having to
continually change to suit, not to mention when our sun recently got
surrounded by that enormous molecular/nebula cloud which produced
those hefty and vibrant nearby Sirius stars, whereas our sun should
have interacted with and/or having consumed some of that extra nebula
metallicity and stellar evolution given off by those nearby Sirius
stars.
Of course the mainstream status-quo and especially of their faith-
based insiders that usually pretend as being Atheists, but tend to act/
react exactly like devout Semites by protecting those of their own
past, current and future authority, really do not like to see any
outside concepts of ever permitting scientific change or introducing
variables because, such could involve revising history as well as
screwing up whatever they alone get to tell us is their one and only
answer to everything. In other words, modern astrophysics is kind of
like a roll of toilet paper, whereas each sheet gets paid to wipe at
something nasty before getting disposed of and moving on to the next
cosmic bowel movement that’s at risk of revising the rules, because
for the most part such revisions are not allowed.
It’s certainly not that one ever has to actually do anything extra
special with or because of such higher metallicity (unless it’s highly
radioactive and concentrated enough to being lethal or genetic
mutation worthy), just like our terrestrial oligarchs and mafia of Big
Energy (mostly via coal, oil and natural gas plus a few other spendy
synfuel hydrocarbons) here on Earth doesn’t have to bother with
preventing various radioactives and those multiple combustion slag or
soot elements from reaching our surface and getting atmospheric
exposure that makes any number of such relatively dry inert elements
highly reactive, not to mention their considerable combustion
particulates (aka soot and/or fly-ash plus creating loads of CO2 and
NOx that’s in addition to those many other mostly nasty byproducts)
that cause global dimming, nor having to worry about their oil and
natural gas leakage, spillage, blowouts, molecular conversions such as
Corexit or fret over their continual loss of helium that measurably
contributes to all the natural upwelling loss of helium which is
actually a rather considerable volumetric outflux if having to
maintain 5.24 ppm happens to mean anything (something like 26 billion
tonnes worth of helium at any given time, all of which having to be
continually resupplied from within Earth), and such radiological decay
produced helium is one of those lofty elements that simply doesn’t
molecular bind nor otherwise stick with Earth. Plus there’s also the
rather considerable all-inclusive 32:1 consumption and evaporation
cycle of fresh water that’s directly related to the energy derived via
every tonne of coal, but then who really needs all that fresh water or
minds having on average an extra teratonne of water vapor kept in the
atmosphere, because that’s only another 1% boost in water saturation
up from the norm. At least China has been doing all it can by way of
keeping as much sulfur plus other coal, natural gas and oil related
elements (many of those being toxic and/or terribly acidic) within its
local atmosphere, whereas hydrocarbon related smog that is considered
as highly destructive and undesirable by most of us, is also being
reconsidered as worthy of global cooling by others. In other words,
by way of mainstream Big Energy, apparently us humans can’t possibly
pollute enough.
So obviously our overpopulated planet that’s looking at a near certain
future of having to feed and care for 9+ billion somewhat cranky
humans, is perfectly good to go as is? (I rather doubt we can
continue as is, though perhaps only a fool or a FUD-master might
suggest that our status quo being the case is perfectly sufficient,
whereas I’m thinking more likely 8 billion could be our next great
population tipping point). Doesn’t any of this suggest we’re running
out of terrestrial options?
In other words, how much of Earth can we continually afford to dig up
and process, not to mention cultivate and/or continually farm to
death? (especially when phosphates and other natural fertilizers are
having to be artificially created)
Perhaps technically all 10+ billion humans can be sustained on this
planet without off-world considerations, at least that’s what William
Mook and others that don’t really seem to care about the 99.9% lower
caste keeps telling us. Of course, at some future point of our having
mass consumed nearly everything of value in sight plus over-populating
a given world like Earth, to the point of having perpetual war(s) over
resources, is where these terrestrial resources eventually get
depleted and/or converted into various substances that are most often
less valuable or even toxic to sustaining our complex species and the
surrounding biodiversity, whereas helium plus many of those elements
converted into acids and in some instances those element conversions
and composite blends even become ozone/O3 depleting as well as
otherwise kind of potentially toxic and even objectively proven as
being terribly lethal, as sort of reaching the saturation point of no
return. But again, that’s kind of what us modern humans have always
done and would gladly do again and again without any whatsoever
reservations or speck of remorse to this or any other world.
One perfectly viable option for us is to seriously consider pillaging
and plundering a nearby moon or planet, or even at least considering
the commercial and private development and interior exploitation of
our moon. Obviously going off-world isn’t going to be easy nor cheap,
at least not at first, but then our moon should easily be more than
worth it, even though the planet Venus is better suited as is (though
it’s not ever going to be as any naked and always dumbfounded
Goldilocks might care to think).
With Venus passing so nearby every 19 months (being such an active and
robust planet of nearly the size and mass of Earth, except somewhat
better protected by its robust atmosphere and offering 10% less
gravity for us to work against, pus offering terrific buoyancy of 65
kg/m3), that’s actively venting and thermodynamically radiating as
though it were only a few hundred million years old, whereas one might
care to further ponder the commercial and private enterprise
implications of seeing another kind of future gold-rush era that could
easily be going after those abundant metallicity elements (including
uranium, thorium and radium as well as those good old standards of
gold, silver, platinum and no doubt copper, aluminum plus always iron
and titanium shouldn’t be hard to come by).
Of course our moon and Venus have each technically been commercially
viable for decades, especially since our NASA/Apollo era proved how
reliable their Nazi engineered Saturn-5 plus how unusually inert and
passive our moon apparently is, as well as having proven how 100%
reliable and relatively failsafe were each of those fly-by-rocket
landers of that era that didn’t even bother with incorporating any
powerful momentum reaction gyros, and then our DARPA and NASA went on
to prove how extended space travel worthy plus aerodynamic worthy were
each of those shuttles that wee fully reusable as long as none of
their reentry heat shield tiles are defective or missing. There is
simply no question as to the terrific commercial/industrial and even
private value of He3, plus a complex multitude of rare metallicity and
even the element of carbonado/diamond, plus using those mostly robotic
tunnel diggers (TBMs), their excavators and raw mineral processing
technology certainly isn’t insurmountable. So, why all the
nondisclosure and otherwise, what the hell gives?
I’m still somewhat puzzled but having never been the least bit
surprised as to why this radar obtained image of “Guth Venus” has
remained so mainstream forbidden or taboo, unless it’s only because
I'm such an independent outsider (aka loose cannon) that they have
little if any control over, must be extremely dark and scary to them.
On this subject of interpreting a given image; Why is it always
permitted for our NASA and their insider associates to PhotoShop,
apply extensive frame stacking, plus artificially eyecandy colorize or
even selectively unsaturate by removing or excluding certain colors
and mainstream publish whatever image as much fortified infomercials
as they like (naturally fully public funded none the less), as offered
way past the point of no possible return from any original raw data,
while independent others are not permitted to even use the most basic
digital image resampling which can be easily reversed and/or repeated
for deductive interpretations by most anyone for obtaining the exact
same or better results?
Usually those found in Usenet/newsgroups protecting whatever their
mainstream upper most caste of oligarch and faith-based mafia have
been doing to the rest of us, have no actual photographic nor
PhotoShop expertise of their own, because that’s not their job.
However they usually claim as being all-knowing and first-hand
expertise in everything.
Without doubt, I can easily accept that most of us honestly can not
deductively interpret an image of Mickey Mouse and be certain it's
representing anything truly artificial or real, because artistic
talent and powerful computers can make such animations (especially
those of the surrounding terrain) look every bit as good or even 3D
Avatar better than real, but then at best we're handed third or forth
generation eyecandy as Kodak film recorded or rather as Kodak
transposed derivative images from our infamous Apollo missions, and
being told that everything is represented exactly as only they have
interpreted it for us (including those spectacular reproduced and
autographed images via “moonpans”), and to never mind the laws of
physics or any best other science of color/hue or contrast dynamic
range simply doesn’t count, plus otherwise just like those independent
video and audio of WTC7 being systematically explosive detonated as
necessary for their precise demolition, whereas we're being told by
the best public-funded authority that all of those independent
recorded images and audio are entirely bogus and/or an allusion that
we shouldn't bother ourselves with. So which do we believe,
especially when we follow the money and there's ample motives, means
and opportunity, and that certainly applies to all things DARPA and
NASA whenever their public funded jobs and benefit security plus their
nifty cloak of religious faith is getting put at risk.
At the same time, I can also accept the notions or interpretation that
we're not the one and only intelligence capable of having evolved from
scratch, or perhaps otherwise via directed panspermia and intelligent
design certainly can’t be ruled out. Considering the odds against us
humans emerging and evolving from scratch right here on Earth, as such
makes me reconsider the off-world possibilities as being not nearly so
insurmountable. In fact, as of decades ago our biodiversity along
with our space travel expertise could have remotely seeded and/or
stimulated another planet like a proto-Earth into becoming yet another
Eden, by simply transporting the necessary microbes and spores and/or
going full-tilt with sending a multitude of complex species to inhabit
this other world or moon, though no doubt we’d make our fair share of
creation mistakes. Personally, I wouldn’t mess with the existing
environment nor biodiversity of another planet, but then I’m not
greedy or insensitive to the needs of others, because even unique life
sequestered within our moon or anything associated with Venus
shouldn’t be disregarded any more so than underground microbes on
Mars.
For somewhat easier comprehension, I've only slightly edited the
following context and hopefully improved its syntax, so that you and
others might bother to reconsider actually looking at the specified
image instead of merely applying your preconceived and typically
closed mindset interpretations as though your braille observationology
expertise is more than sufficient. Unlike expecting you to believe in
Muslims packing and hiding WMD, all I'm asking for is the honest
deductive interpretations by others that typically claim as having
vast expertise in every conceivable science, including
observationology, to give this one an honest look-see that even some
5th graders should be qualified for.
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In the news and offered by many of our most trendy eyecandy
publications, we have our somewhat dysfunctional and perpetual
nonprofit NASA that has gotten too big to fail, and their usual
mainstream infomercial media flow of their approved hype of supposedly
peer approved science, pertaining to all sorts of astrophysics plus
boasting on behalf of numerous exoplanets that the next hundred
generations from now will never get any probe into orbit or much less
set any naked Goldilocks foot upon within any thousand generations
from now, mostly because those other worlds and moons are situated so
far away. However, perhaps the seemingly newish and extremely nearby
Venus was once an exoplanet of Sirius(B), and right now it’s captured
as passing conveniently nearby us within 100 LD every 19 months, as
well as having been more tidal rotation locked to Earth than to the
sun (or you can always believe the more than sextillion [1e21] odds
otherwise). At least at the ongoing rate such exoplanets are getting
discovered, seems to suggest there’s going to be a lot more of those
than stars, and otherwise consider that most main sequence stars of .5
Ms and larger (roughly 33% of all stars) simply can’t forever hold
onto their planets (especially of anything of 1.5 Ms or greater
doesn’t have the same extended main sequence timeline to work with as
ours of 10+ billion years has to offer), although moons of such
wandering/rogue planets should remain firm unless their sun goes nova
or worse supernova. Otherwise white dwarfs simply lose their tidal
radii grip, which allows their planets to wander off, and by now
perhaps 5e12 items of wandering/rogue planets, planetoids and their
moon exist within our galaxy.
It’s certainly not that complex life as we know it and as representing
the majority of terrestrial biodiversity didn’t originate right here
on Earth, but this is more about other complex life as having
originated off-world and having by happenstance or via directed
panspermia contributed to our terrestrial complexity and diversity, as
well as their having found a home on a few other survivable planets
and moons. In most instances those other planets and moons would
likely not be directly suitable to any degree of sustaining such
random microbe and spore panspermia, or even those intentionally
deployed as complex life would most likely not survive, but perhaps in
some instances, such as upon Earth or via technology assisted kinds of
complex life could have made a go of it on even the geologically
active and hellish pressure-cooker world of Venus, whereas at least
via applied physics and good use of basic technology is where
surviving Venus really isn’t technically insurmountable, and
especially accommodating if our sun had been a few percent less active
as of a billion years ago.
An intentionally seeded planet or suitable moon of a gas giant could
actually evolve its own complex life fairly quickly, even if we
couldn’t get ourselves directly involved with its on-location applied
physics, biology and objective science. Never the less, and even if
Venus is an original though metallicity and geology oddball of our
solar system (much like our moon that’s physically dark and its thick
crust made extensively of paramagnetic basalt); has anyone here got
any better ideas, notions or deductive swags as to further
interpreting what that extremely large clover shaped reservoir on
Venus is all about?
For those of us that are observationology dysfunctionals, here’s a not
so little size perspective: At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium /
Louisiana Superdome (plus part of its surrounding real estate
footprint) would fit within each cup of that enormous clover shaped
reservoir.
footprint) would fit within each cup of that enormous clover shaped
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
imaging as artificial, whereas some of those other terrestrial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be interpreted as
somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and the usual
geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something hugely
geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous terrain and
within the path of a river or as typically blocking a canyon/gorge, as
somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and the usual
geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something hugely
geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous terrain and
well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon or
gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
Just for a game of amusing yourself and others being a good
gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
investigative sport, this ongoing investigative effort is simply
intended to share and see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything the least bit unusual within the following image
that doesn’t quite look as though the natural laws of physics and
geology was entirely responsible. (try to remember that the original
image is that of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or
scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so its
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re stumped or
dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a bunch
of 5th graders, as a class science project.
Besides perfectly natural fluid reservoiring, what the hell (literally
intended to share and see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything the least bit unusual within the following image
that doesn’t quite look as though the natural laws of physics and
geology was entirely responsible. (try to remember that the original
image is that of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or
scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so its
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re stumped or
dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a bunch
of 5th graders, as a class science project.
scorching hot as hell) is that extremely large clover shaped reservoir
doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of obvious, and then
what about that other somewhat smaller one that’s seemingly connected
and clearly containing something fluid, not to mention more than a few
other oddly geometric considerations that look as though quite
doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of obvious, and then
what about that other somewhat smaller one that’s seemingly connected
and clearly containing something fluid, not to mention more than a few
artificial, almost as though some level of intelligence had created
them).
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
have its fair share of surface fluids, or at least geothermal boosted/
extruded muds or dense mineral and/or those acidic brines to contend
them).
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
have its fair share of surface fluids, or at least geothermal boosted/
with, as well as hydrocarbons shouldn’t be impossible once we
reconsider what the Saturn moon Titan has to work with.
Even as offering a highly conservative reservoir interpretation, it
still seems rather enormous but otherwise kind of perfectly natural,
including that other somewhat conventional reservoir above that’s
containing something fluid and seems connected. However, as far as
anyone knows, there’s not one other terrestrial example or that
obtained from any other planet or moon as offering anything nearly as
complex while situated in such a geologically mountainous terrain and
obtained from any other planet or moon as offering anything nearly as
erosion plus looking as so downright impressive, so what the hell
gives?
At this point of my observationology (11+ years of deductive image
interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover shaped
reservoir represents a mostly natural though extremely large
geological formation, and just because something like this complex
reservoir is truly big doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, and just
because the exact same image resampling process was applied equally to
each and every other available pixel which didn’t manage to convert
any of those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial looking
items, doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to interpret as
geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as though
any of those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial looking
items, doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to interpret as
intelligently symmetrical, are not actually there to behold, because
nature isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or complex
looking geometries, and especially whenever there’s a logical
community like infrastructure pattern involved.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:44:16 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Saul Levy
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:44:16 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
[SAME OLD SHIT!]
Brad Guth
Jan 3, 2012, 1:58:28 PM1/3/12
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All planets, moons and asteroids are going to be worth something.
Isn’t our physically dark and paramagnetic moon with its terrific
metallicity really worth trillions upon trillions, and isn’t Venus
going to be worth at least a few quadrillions?
For extensively robotic mining and excavating our moon, we have the
existing technology of TBMs or just MMMs that can be modified as
mostly robotic to suit. Once our machines are digging underground,
these robust hard-rock mining/tunneling machines could care less if
they’re working inside our moon rather than inside of Earth.
http://www.infomine.com/publications/docs/InternationalMining/Chadwick2010t.pdf
These hard-rock excavating methods of mining our moon, excavating and
processing through just about anything can be solar or nuclear
electric powered or simply HTP(h2o2) powered. Venus is going to be
quite different, although there’s no shortage of geothermal and
atmospheric differentials to obtain large amount of clean and
renewable energy from, and I’d rather doubt there’s an need of TBMs
because most everything of any value should be easily surface
accessible as is.
I’m not speaking of any one-time thing, but promoting a century upon
century process of extracting rare elements and otherwise developing
of those human worthy habitats and infrastructure on/within the moon,
and otherwise I’m not excluding those rigid composite airships for
Venus, even though appropriately engineered surface habitats should
also be doable. Obviously this task of our exploiting the planet
Venus is not going to be easily accomplished, though it’ll be not only
way cheaper than 911, and it should not even take nearly as long to
get desirable results rather than making most everything worse off.
Naturally those in charge of whomever we elect or appoint will have to
automatically naysay, disagree and systematically oppose absolutely
everything I have to offer, so don’t ever expect any mainstream
certified peers to step forward on behalf of any of this. In other
words, we’re strictly on our own, as well as up against the oligarchs
and our public-funded peers as though we outsiders represent the
ultimate evil in America.
On Nov 13, 5:24 am, Paul Schlyter <pau...@stjarnhimlen.se> wrote:
> If it's worth merely "trillions" that would be no more than a few
> dollars per pound. I would require a considerably higher price than
> that before considering something "extremely valuable"....
According to our NASA and their always supportive army of devout FUD-
masters, plus all the usual gauntlet of brown-nosed clowns and redneck
parrots that couldn’t get a real job if they had to, the moon and
Venus are each totally worthless as inert items, of mostly common
inert monochromatic matter that’s too nearby to bother with and
otherwise impossibly too spendy and/or simply too complex to do
anything with. On the other hand, a mostly frozen to death Mars that
at best only once upon a time had any surface water to speak of,
because it had been kept alive by a substantial moon that subsequently
vanished, is supposedly worth our spending our hard earned trillions
upon, plus now we’re getting further taunted by those selling us on
various exoplanets (the further away the better), that are supposedly
well worth investing our best talents and resources of spending other
trillions upon with no possible chance of any terrestrial payback. Go
figure, how this mainstream status-quo policy is so smug and self
rightist as long as it only benefits their job security and retirement
benefits. Gee whiz, I didn’t realize the average American (meaning
those of the lower 99.9%) were so well off that we can afford to have
so many public-funded peers telling us what and how to think.
Situated a whole lot closer to home than any exoplanet; I wonder why
someone or something intelligent bothered to construct those multiple
large scale items on Venus, and otherwise why the high metallicity of
our moon is still not considered anticathode or otherwise of any
value. Perhaps because according to our Apollo science it’s
supposedly so inert and worthless?
As for the toasty/hellish planet Venus being so unbelievably hot; Are
we supposed to think that the natural random happenstance of its
toasty geology and erosion is actually capable of producing such
unusually formed geometrics and otherwise formulating symmetrically
rational looking infrastructure items, that as far as we know only our
kind of human intelligence has otherwise created.
It seems all rocky planets, planetoids, moons and asteroids offer
valuable metallicity, plus having various trapped fluids and gas/vapor
chemistry within, as well as offering whatever core of residual
geothermal cache, though obviously some more or less than others.
Clearly our physically dark moon with its extremely thick and fused
solid paramagnetic basalt crust, and of course the extremely nearby
planet Venus that by some geology expertise has its surface pegged as
only worth 300 million years old, are each local treasure troves of
valuable metallicity, plus Venus is acting as though it’s quite
actively fluid under its thin crust, almost as though its core and
fluid mantel are extensively fueled by thorium plus uranium.
Heavy elements tend to stick with a given planet, moon or asteroid,
whereas light weight elements such as hydrogen and helium tend to get
taken and/or blown away unless they are encapsulated or held down by a
substantially protective atmosphere and that’s further protected by a
geomagnetic force field. Since helium doesn’t bind with anything
(not even to itself unless it’s forced cryogenic to something near 5
K) is why helium is usually the first volumetric raw mass of element
to go along with hydrogen that only seems renewable but really isn’t.
In addition to those raw heavy elements, perhaps Venus still has a
contingency of complex and even intelligent other life NOT as we know
it, or perhaps just barely smart enough intelligent other life that’s
kind of similar to us but obviously not as K-12 mainstream dumbfounded
and useless.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-22/new-recipe-in-search-for-alien-life/3686408/?site=sydney
I’ve always found it quite scientifically odd and/or perplexing that
there's still no actual objective science pertaining to the physics of
raw/naked ice coexisting within our local solar system space of 1 AU
(such as on our naked moon), unless it's safely contained on a surface
having a sufficiently protective atmosphere, or covered by a
protective layer of dry ice or otherwise secured within a suitably
protective mass like our physically dark and paramagnetic moon has its
tough basalt crust to offer, so that the cosmic environment of hard
vacuum, radiation and solar winds can't manage to strip it away.
However, coping with our usual media gauntlet of multiple bipolars and
our typical mainstream flow of dysfunctionals suffering from cognitive
dissonance, plus their usual cover-thy-butt policy of perpetual
obfuscation working like a family mafia cabal of happy peas in a pod,
whereas each dysfunctional pea that lacks any ability to be the least
bit constructive or even police its own kind is what makes the other
peas feel right at home. Mainstream faith-based and special interest
cabals certainly have this happy pea policy nailed tight.
On Nov 23, 12:00 pm, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> A "space race" has to be contingent upon a level playing field, w.r.t.
> a much heavier earth-to-orbit market. As John F. Kennedy once said,
> "If a free society, cannot help the many who are poor, IT CANNOT
> SAVE THE FEW WHO ARE RICH." This means that the playing field
> MUST SOONER OR LATER become LEVEL for all market prospects,
> in order to minimalize rich/poor caste market catastrophe WORLDWIDE.
>
> Mostly anyone in the know about these things (including W. Mook)
> were/are sensing that what we are dealing with is an uneven playing
> field:
>
> http://youtu.be/HUe6mRMm3rQ
>
> Something must happen first, though, before credit must be given to
> the generations of scientists who became bound, enslaved, and/or
> killed, after refusing their particular status quo indoctrinations (by
> either the NWO we are currently at war with, or progressive cronyism
> worldwide, that led up to the current society, and all this for the noble
> cause of advancing our species orbitally and off-world...
The so called "playing field" hasn't been level since the rich and
powerful along with their trusty Semitic cabal of faith-based partners
in crimes against humanity having put the likes of Jesus Christ on a
stick. Those Cathars which once had established a fair and balanced
policy along with a good working plan of educating and taking care of
their own kind without involving satanic rituals plus a bogus loot
sucking and pretentious satanic faith like those absolutely insidious
Roman Catholics of that unfortunate era, were nearly exterminated down
to the very few that managed to save themselves from the systematic
torture and death imposed upon them by the deranged and greedy Pope of
that dreadfully self-righteous era that would make Hitler seem like an
upstanding daycare and adult healthcare provider for all Semites
(especially caring and protective of those dark skinned Jewish folk).
Obviously that greedy Pope had his very own version of faith approved
reasons for having pillaged, plundered and slaughtered so many, so it
must have been approved by God and thereby perfectly legal (just like
our born-again GW Bush, along with Dick Cheney and Kissinger recently
did in order to justify their killing plus otherwise disenfranchising
Muslims that obviously needed to be taught a lesson as to how a better
Republican version of greed and corruption was supposed to work).
William Mook is correct in much of his version or interpretation of
history. The problem is, no K-12 or higher education textbooks seem
to reflect any of this corrected/revised history (much less having
referenced anything from Usenet contributor Warhol), and therefore the
rich and powerful along with their public-funded cloak of faith-basted
authority as Mafia partners in crimes against humanity, get to control
and/or manipulate current and future events in order to suit their
very own personal needs of greed, hoarding and always applied
authority over others. Of course, notice how our recent reelection
campaigns on all sides are each ignoring as well as in perpetual
denial of their denial, as to what American leaders (our upper most
movers and shakers) did to bring on 911.
Perhaps what those of us few need is simply a good mainstream media
channel that’s willing to investigate and help publish our independent
investigative results, so that at least the next generation of K12
textbooks doesn’t obfuscate/exclude such interesting facts about what
religions and their politics have systematically done to us, and are
still entitled as well as empowered to do over and over without any
social/political accountability nor remorse. It’s a freaking wonder
they haven’t started WW3 plus working on their WW4 sequel, because
once again the truly rich and powerful are always winners and gainers
as long as others can be provoked into attacking us..
Obviously, even I can find those old K-12 textbooks that haven’t been
upgraded for decades, with as much or more science documentation
pertaining to our nearest other planet (Venus) that’s all negative, as
in naysay and outright cringing about that hellish environment being
too nasty for naked humans. Fortunately, unlike the vast majority of
know-it-alls and mainstream FUD-masters that we always get to put up
with here in Usenet/newsgroups, I’ve never once suggested our going to
Venus in the nude, or much less as any snookered and dumbfounded
Goldilocks that’s totally redneck wasted herself past the point of no
return. So these obvious naysay and/or obfuscation that’ll exclude
all the positive and constructive considerations on behalf of Venus
isn’t new or any surprise, but you may want to stick with this
mainstream failsafe kind of closed mindset, because you could become
unemployable..
By way of systematic obfuscation or the selective and methodical
policy of excluding all positive/constructive attributes of a given
other planet, planetoid, moon or asteroid, leaves the rest of us K12+
educated as outsiders with only those mainstream speculations based
upon the negatives or inhospitable aspects to ponder. Furthermore, by
such artificial and/or FUD-master means of discrediting us and keeping
such nearby off-world resources as seemingly forbidden or taboo/
nondisclosure rated, is also what keeps the oligarch likes of DeBeers
and the Rothschilds extensively in control of our global economy, as
well as their benefiting the most from each and every good or bad step
of the way, though I’m not exactly sure we can afford to sustain this
money grubbing and debauchery policy that has to include artificial
global inflation.
Darn good thing we actually went to the moon, because for once our
spendy and time consuming DARPA and NASA proved that our Saturn-V
rocket and its fly-by-rocket landers were perfectly doable and
essentially 100% reliable as of near 45 years ago, as well as proving
that our moon really wasn’t the least bit nasty. In fact, they found
out for us that the moon wasn’t even the least bit physically dark nor
even the least bit photographically contrasty, as well as it wasn’t
strewn with meteorites nor as having hardly any volume of secondary
crater shards and dust from thousands of horrific impacts that created
such numerous and enormous craters plus craters within craters, as
well as their having proven how UV, gamma and X-ray inert it all is,
as offering a kind of passive monochromatic pastel gray fluff that
offered terrific surface tension by way of nicely clumping, plus that
naked environment was not offering any significant risk from new
impacts nor anything to worry about passing specks, pebbles and
meteors that just fly past at up to 70 km/sec without their hardly
ever touching the surface nor having impacted a darn thing we care to
place upon its extremely naked surface. Therefore we now realize that
our moon has been technically doable and that it’s a relatively
harmless environment, as well as offering access to unlimited solar
energy plus having its nighttime extremely well illuminated via
terrific earthshine by upwards of 50 times that of full moonlight, so
its nearside is almost never entirely in the dark and thereby its
nearside is not allowed to get as cold by night as we’d thought.
We’ve all been K12+ educated in order to understand that our lunar
daytime surface gets to 123 C (not including whatever local secondary/
recoil of IR contributes another 1220 w/m2 which can easily push this
upwards of reaching 138 C). However, we’re still limited or
restricted as to the NASA/Apollo era of science data that’s still
encrypted and/or wasn’t the least bit independently objective, so
thereby we still have no good means of actually knowing what the full
earthshine illuminated nighttime upon the nearside of our moon really
is, and still without any truly interactive science instruments on the
lunar surface is what makes this science even more so subjective.
Earthshine (radiative equilibrium): Our Shuttles had to compensate for
236~266 w/m2, the average of 240 w/m2 for the whole Earth, and
possibly as great as 342 w/m2 as the infrared daytime outflux, whereas
some portion of this IR earthshine has to heat that nearside nighttime
lunar surface. I’ll suggest that the nearside nighttime receiving a
full flux of IR earthshine is kept well above 120K, such as in some
areas we can expect 140 K (“At low and mid-latitudes, there are
isolated warmer regions with nighttime temperatures of -208 degrees
Fahrenheit.”) along with full earthshine might easily exceed 175 K, or
in other words accomplishing a 150 K boost above the coldest
temperatures recorded by our LCROSS method which identified maximum
cold spots of 25 K, as another way of telling us that Earthshine alone
is worth a boost of 150 K above that of any 100% shaded terrain. The
actual full planetshine or earthshine of visual and IR spectrum energy
is actually quite significant, as more than sufficient for PV panels
to extract sufficient energy than any typical daytime on Mars.
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/gallery/south_pole_summer_noon_annotated.jpg
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/blog/?cat=1
“The image of course includes the permanently-shadowed Hermite
crater, which is where Diviner detected temperatures as low as -415 F
(-248 C), the coldest ever measured in our solar system.” Other polar
craters offering continuous shade of 43 K, and of course they go so
far as to interpret this LROC science as supporting their theory or
conjecture for the moon having retained several million m3 of ice that
managed to survive the extreme vacuum, residual core heat upwelling
plus the continuous influx of the SW and IR planetshine that’s capable
of getting partially into those nearside polar craters where
supposedly the sun never shines.
The all-inclusive collective of IGM starlight or starshine supposedly
contributes only 3e-8 w/m2, so obviously planetshine/earthshine is a
rather considerable contributor towards warming the nearside moon
nighttime temperature. The planetshine IR of 20.75 w/m2 is roughly
125 K worth of surface warming, which is still damn cold.
So, perhaps the same outcome will eventually become true of Venus, as
not being quite as toasty hot and/or as crystal dry and inert CO2
gassy. In fact, besides active volcanic flows of lava, muds and
perhaps hydrocarbons, Venus could also be actively spewing geothermal
heated vapors that includes water, as well as unavoidably dispensing
oxygen, hydrogen, helium along with assorted metallicity elements that
give its surface such a terrific radar reflective quality.
Getting this rant or manifesto back to “Guth Venus” is just an ongoing
topic that’s of research focused upon one relatively small area of an
otherwise terrific radar obtained imaged portion of the extremely
nearby planet Venus, that which seems to depict a rather fair number
of extremely interesting geology attributes that also seems as though
offering a perfectly active and complex portion of mountainous
terrain, as well as depicting a fair number of those highly unusual
geometrical attributes that have otherwise never been recorded
elsewhere, as having been caused or created by nature of any other
known geology and subsequent erosion, nor shaped via those pesky plate
tectonics which the planet Venus w/o moon has but extremely few of
those seismic issues to contend with.
Of course, if you can only manage to see a natural evolved pile of hot
rocks as situated in perfectly random happenstance patterns (meaning
no interpretations of any geometrics, symmetrical or rational
infrastructure patterns whatsoever), then perhaps don’t bother your
mainstream closed mindset self any further, because the rest of this
topic is only going to keep pissing you off.
Here’s a not so little size perspective analogy:
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be rather easily
yourself, and for others being a good open minded investigative sport,
this ongoing observationology effort is simply intended to share and
pixel, obtained at a nifty FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so that its
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re totally stumped or
kinda dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a
interpreted as something that’s symmetrically geometric, and then what
about that other somewhat smaller reservoir that’s seemingly connected
artificial, as though some level of logical intelligence had created
boosted/extruded muds or dense mineral and/or sulfur acidic brines to
contend with, as well as hydrocarbons really shouldn’t be all that
impossible once we reconsider what hydrocarbons the Saturn moon Titan
has to work with (highly unlikely produced by any organic decay).
Even as offering a conservative natural reservoir interpretation, it
seems as rather complex and enormous but otherwise it certainly could
be kind of perfectly natural, including that other somewhat
conventional round reservoir above that’s containing something fluid
that also seems connected. However, as far as anyone knows, there’s
impressive with its reservoirs, complex of a flat airstrip, plus
offering a nearby bridge and multiple other structural looking
attributes of a logical community that kind of depicts a rational
infrastructure. So what the hell gives?
At this point of my observationology (11+ years of deductive image
interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover shaped
reservoir could represent a mostly natural though extremely large
formation, and just because something like this complex reservoir is
truly big and of a complex geometric design doesn’t mean that it
mean that the few items it did manage to interpret as being
sufficiently geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as
something intelligently symmetrical are not actually there to behold,
because nature usually isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical
and/or complex looking geometries, and especially not whenever a
logical or rational community like infrastructure gets involved.
If you’d care to further explore the commercial and private
exploitation of Venus, or even that of our trusty moon, then by all
means it’s still every bit as good of time as any. However, if for
personal safety and job security is why you have to stick within a
specified social/political policy and faith-based mainstream closed
mindset, then don't even bother yourself to risk that failsafe by
actually looking at Venus, unless you do not mind discovering what
your peers and their government army of mostly public-funded peers and
FUD-masters hasn’t been willing to tell us about such a nearby planet
of such terrific metallicity, that’s so geothermally active.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
Isn’t our physically dark and paramagnetic moon with its terrific
metallicity really worth trillions upon trillions, and isn’t Venus
going to be worth at least a few quadrillions?
For extensively robotic mining and excavating our moon, we have the
existing technology of TBMs or just MMMs that can be modified as
mostly robotic to suit. Once our machines are digging underground,
these robust hard-rock mining/tunneling machines could care less if
they’re working inside our moon rather than inside of Earth.
http://www.infomine.com/publications/docs/InternationalMining/Chadwick2010t.pdf
These hard-rock excavating methods of mining our moon, excavating and
processing through just about anything can be solar or nuclear
electric powered or simply HTP(h2o2) powered. Venus is going to be
quite different, although there’s no shortage of geothermal and
atmospheric differentials to obtain large amount of clean and
renewable energy from, and I’d rather doubt there’s an need of TBMs
because most everything of any value should be easily surface
accessible as is.
I’m not speaking of any one-time thing, but promoting a century upon
century process of extracting rare elements and otherwise developing
of those human worthy habitats and infrastructure on/within the moon,
and otherwise I’m not excluding those rigid composite airships for
Venus, even though appropriately engineered surface habitats should
also be doable. Obviously this task of our exploiting the planet
Venus is not going to be easily accomplished, though it’ll be not only
way cheaper than 911, and it should not even take nearly as long to
get desirable results rather than making most everything worse off.
Naturally those in charge of whomever we elect or appoint will have to
automatically naysay, disagree and systematically oppose absolutely
everything I have to offer, so don’t ever expect any mainstream
certified peers to step forward on behalf of any of this. In other
words, we’re strictly on our own, as well as up against the oligarchs
and our public-funded peers as though we outsiders represent the
ultimate evil in America.
On Nov 13, 5:24 am, Paul Schlyter <pau...@stjarnhimlen.se> wrote:
> If it's worth merely "trillions" that would be no more than a few
> dollars per pound. I would require a considerably higher price than
> that before considering something "extremely valuable"....
According to our NASA and their always supportive army of devout FUD-
masters, plus all the usual gauntlet of brown-nosed clowns and redneck
parrots that couldn’t get a real job if they had to, the moon and
Venus are each totally worthless as inert items, of mostly common
inert monochromatic matter that’s too nearby to bother with and
otherwise impossibly too spendy and/or simply too complex to do
anything with. On the other hand, a mostly frozen to death Mars that
at best only once upon a time had any surface water to speak of,
because it had been kept alive by a substantial moon that subsequently
vanished, is supposedly worth our spending our hard earned trillions
upon, plus now we’re getting further taunted by those selling us on
various exoplanets (the further away the better), that are supposedly
well worth investing our best talents and resources of spending other
trillions upon with no possible chance of any terrestrial payback. Go
figure, how this mainstream status-quo policy is so smug and self
rightist as long as it only benefits their job security and retirement
benefits. Gee whiz, I didn’t realize the average American (meaning
those of the lower 99.9%) were so well off that we can afford to have
so many public-funded peers telling us what and how to think.
Situated a whole lot closer to home than any exoplanet; I wonder why
someone or something intelligent bothered to construct those multiple
large scale items on Venus, and otherwise why the high metallicity of
our moon is still not considered anticathode or otherwise of any
value. Perhaps because according to our Apollo science it’s
supposedly so inert and worthless?
As for the toasty/hellish planet Venus being so unbelievably hot; Are
we supposed to think that the natural random happenstance of its
toasty geology and erosion is actually capable of producing such
unusually formed geometrics and otherwise formulating symmetrically
rational looking infrastructure items, that as far as we know only our
kind of human intelligence has otherwise created.
It seems all rocky planets, planetoids, moons and asteroids offer
valuable metallicity, plus having various trapped fluids and gas/vapor
chemistry within, as well as offering whatever core of residual
geothermal cache, though obviously some more or less than others.
Clearly our physically dark moon with its extremely thick and fused
solid paramagnetic basalt crust, and of course the extremely nearby
planet Venus that by some geology expertise has its surface pegged as
only worth 300 million years old, are each local treasure troves of
valuable metallicity, plus Venus is acting as though it’s quite
actively fluid under its thin crust, almost as though its core and
fluid mantel are extensively fueled by thorium plus uranium.
Heavy elements tend to stick with a given planet, moon or asteroid,
whereas light weight elements such as hydrogen and helium tend to get
taken and/or blown away unless they are encapsulated or held down by a
substantially protective atmosphere and that’s further protected by a
geomagnetic force field. Since helium doesn’t bind with anything
(not even to itself unless it’s forced cryogenic to something near 5
K) is why helium is usually the first volumetric raw mass of element
to go along with hydrogen that only seems renewable but really isn’t.
In addition to those raw heavy elements, perhaps Venus still has a
contingency of complex and even intelligent other life NOT as we know
it, or perhaps just barely smart enough intelligent other life that’s
kind of similar to us but obviously not as K-12 mainstream dumbfounded
and useless.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-22/new-recipe-in-search-for-alien-life/3686408/?site=sydney
I’ve always found it quite scientifically odd and/or perplexing that
there's still no actual objective science pertaining to the physics of
raw/naked ice coexisting within our local solar system space of 1 AU
(such as on our naked moon), unless it's safely contained on a surface
having a sufficiently protective atmosphere, or covered by a
protective layer of dry ice or otherwise secured within a suitably
protective mass like our physically dark and paramagnetic moon has its
tough basalt crust to offer, so that the cosmic environment of hard
vacuum, radiation and solar winds can't manage to strip it away.
However, coping with our usual media gauntlet of multiple bipolars and
our typical mainstream flow of dysfunctionals suffering from cognitive
dissonance, plus their usual cover-thy-butt policy of perpetual
obfuscation working like a family mafia cabal of happy peas in a pod,
whereas each dysfunctional pea that lacks any ability to be the least
bit constructive or even police its own kind is what makes the other
peas feel right at home. Mainstream faith-based and special interest
cabals certainly have this happy pea policy nailed tight.
On Nov 23, 12:00 pm, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> A "space race" has to be contingent upon a level playing field, w.r.t.
> a much heavier earth-to-orbit market. As John F. Kennedy once said,
> "If a free society, cannot help the many who are poor, IT CANNOT
> SAVE THE FEW WHO ARE RICH." This means that the playing field
> MUST SOONER OR LATER become LEVEL for all market prospects,
> in order to minimalize rich/poor caste market catastrophe WORLDWIDE.
>
> Mostly anyone in the know about these things (including W. Mook)
> were/are sensing that what we are dealing with is an uneven playing
> field:
>
> http://youtu.be/HUe6mRMm3rQ
>
> Something must happen first, though, before credit must be given to
> the generations of scientists who became bound, enslaved, and/or
> killed, after refusing their particular status quo indoctrinations (by
> either the NWO we are currently at war with, or progressive cronyism
> worldwide, that led up to the current society, and all this for the noble
> cause of advancing our species orbitally and off-world...
The so called "playing field" hasn't been level since the rich and
powerful along with their trusty Semitic cabal of faith-based partners
in crimes against humanity having put the likes of Jesus Christ on a
stick. Those Cathars which once had established a fair and balanced
policy along with a good working plan of educating and taking care of
their own kind without involving satanic rituals plus a bogus loot
sucking and pretentious satanic faith like those absolutely insidious
Roman Catholics of that unfortunate era, were nearly exterminated down
to the very few that managed to save themselves from the systematic
torture and death imposed upon them by the deranged and greedy Pope of
that dreadfully self-righteous era that would make Hitler seem like an
upstanding daycare and adult healthcare provider for all Semites
(especially caring and protective of those dark skinned Jewish folk).
Obviously that greedy Pope had his very own version of faith approved
reasons for having pillaged, plundered and slaughtered so many, so it
must have been approved by God and thereby perfectly legal (just like
our born-again GW Bush, along with Dick Cheney and Kissinger recently
did in order to justify their killing plus otherwise disenfranchising
Muslims that obviously needed to be taught a lesson as to how a better
Republican version of greed and corruption was supposed to work).
William Mook is correct in much of his version or interpretation of
history. The problem is, no K-12 or higher education textbooks seem
to reflect any of this corrected/revised history (much less having
referenced anything from Usenet contributor Warhol), and therefore the
rich and powerful along with their public-funded cloak of faith-basted
authority as Mafia partners in crimes against humanity, get to control
and/or manipulate current and future events in order to suit their
very own personal needs of greed, hoarding and always applied
authority over others. Of course, notice how our recent reelection
campaigns on all sides are each ignoring as well as in perpetual
denial of their denial, as to what American leaders (our upper most
movers and shakers) did to bring on 911.
Perhaps what those of us few need is simply a good mainstream media
channel that’s willing to investigate and help publish our independent
investigative results, so that at least the next generation of K12
textbooks doesn’t obfuscate/exclude such interesting facts about what
religions and their politics have systematically done to us, and are
still entitled as well as empowered to do over and over without any
social/political accountability nor remorse. It’s a freaking wonder
they haven’t started WW3 plus working on their WW4 sequel, because
once again the truly rich and powerful are always winners and gainers
as long as others can be provoked into attacking us..
Obviously, even I can find those old K-12 textbooks that haven’t been
upgraded for decades, with as much or more science documentation
pertaining to our nearest other planet (Venus) that’s all negative, as
in naysay and outright cringing about that hellish environment being
too nasty for naked humans. Fortunately, unlike the vast majority of
know-it-alls and mainstream FUD-masters that we always get to put up
with here in Usenet/newsgroups, I’ve never once suggested our going to
Venus in the nude, or much less as any snookered and dumbfounded
Goldilocks that’s totally redneck wasted herself past the point of no
return. So these obvious naysay and/or obfuscation that’ll exclude
all the positive and constructive considerations on behalf of Venus
isn’t new or any surprise, but you may want to stick with this
mainstream failsafe kind of closed mindset, because you could become
unemployable..
By way of systematic obfuscation or the selective and methodical
policy of excluding all positive/constructive attributes of a given
other planet, planetoid, moon or asteroid, leaves the rest of us K12+
educated as outsiders with only those mainstream speculations based
upon the negatives or inhospitable aspects to ponder. Furthermore, by
such artificial and/or FUD-master means of discrediting us and keeping
such nearby off-world resources as seemingly forbidden or taboo/
nondisclosure rated, is also what keeps the oligarch likes of DeBeers
and the Rothschilds extensively in control of our global economy, as
well as their benefiting the most from each and every good or bad step
of the way, though I’m not exactly sure we can afford to sustain this
money grubbing and debauchery policy that has to include artificial
global inflation.
Darn good thing we actually went to the moon, because for once our
spendy and time consuming DARPA and NASA proved that our Saturn-V
rocket and its fly-by-rocket landers were perfectly doable and
essentially 100% reliable as of near 45 years ago, as well as proving
that our moon really wasn’t the least bit nasty. In fact, they found
out for us that the moon wasn’t even the least bit physically dark nor
even the least bit photographically contrasty, as well as it wasn’t
strewn with meteorites nor as having hardly any volume of secondary
crater shards and dust from thousands of horrific impacts that created
such numerous and enormous craters plus craters within craters, as
well as their having proven how UV, gamma and X-ray inert it all is,
as offering a kind of passive monochromatic pastel gray fluff that
offered terrific surface tension by way of nicely clumping, plus that
naked environment was not offering any significant risk from new
impacts nor anything to worry about passing specks, pebbles and
meteors that just fly past at up to 70 km/sec without their hardly
ever touching the surface nor having impacted a darn thing we care to
place upon its extremely naked surface. Therefore we now realize that
our moon has been technically doable and that it’s a relatively
harmless environment, as well as offering access to unlimited solar
energy plus having its nighttime extremely well illuminated via
terrific earthshine by upwards of 50 times that of full moonlight, so
its nearside is almost never entirely in the dark and thereby its
nearside is not allowed to get as cold by night as we’d thought.
We’ve all been K12+ educated in order to understand that our lunar
daytime surface gets to 123 C (not including whatever local secondary/
recoil of IR contributes another 1220 w/m2 which can easily push this
upwards of reaching 138 C). However, we’re still limited or
restricted as to the NASA/Apollo era of science data that’s still
encrypted and/or wasn’t the least bit independently objective, so
thereby we still have no good means of actually knowing what the full
earthshine illuminated nighttime upon the nearside of our moon really
is, and still without any truly interactive science instruments on the
lunar surface is what makes this science even more so subjective.
Earthshine (radiative equilibrium): Our Shuttles had to compensate for
236~266 w/m2, the average of 240 w/m2 for the whole Earth, and
possibly as great as 342 w/m2 as the infrared daytime outflux, whereas
some portion of this IR earthshine has to heat that nearside nighttime
lunar surface. I’ll suggest that the nearside nighttime receiving a
full flux of IR earthshine is kept well above 120K, such as in some
areas we can expect 140 K (“At low and mid-latitudes, there are
isolated warmer regions with nighttime temperatures of -208 degrees
Fahrenheit.”) along with full earthshine might easily exceed 175 K, or
in other words accomplishing a 150 K boost above the coldest
temperatures recorded by our LCROSS method which identified maximum
cold spots of 25 K, as another way of telling us that Earthshine alone
is worth a boost of 150 K above that of any 100% shaded terrain. The
actual full planetshine or earthshine of visual and IR spectrum energy
is actually quite significant, as more than sufficient for PV panels
to extract sufficient energy than any typical daytime on Mars.
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/gallery/south_pole_summer_noon_annotated.jpg
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/blog/?cat=1
“The image of course includes the permanently-shadowed Hermite
crater, which is where Diviner detected temperatures as low as -415 F
(-248 C), the coldest ever measured in our solar system.” Other polar
craters offering continuous shade of 43 K, and of course they go so
far as to interpret this LROC science as supporting their theory or
conjecture for the moon having retained several million m3 of ice that
managed to survive the extreme vacuum, residual core heat upwelling
plus the continuous influx of the SW and IR planetshine that’s capable
of getting partially into those nearside polar craters where
supposedly the sun never shines.
The all-inclusive collective of IGM starlight or starshine supposedly
contributes only 3e-8 w/m2, so obviously planetshine/earthshine is a
rather considerable contributor towards warming the nearside moon
nighttime temperature. The planetshine IR of 20.75 w/m2 is roughly
125 K worth of surface warming, which is still damn cold.
So, perhaps the same outcome will eventually become true of Venus, as
not being quite as toasty hot and/or as crystal dry and inert CO2
gassy. In fact, besides active volcanic flows of lava, muds and
perhaps hydrocarbons, Venus could also be actively spewing geothermal
heated vapors that includes water, as well as unavoidably dispensing
oxygen, hydrogen, helium along with assorted metallicity elements that
give its surface such a terrific radar reflective quality.
Getting this rant or manifesto back to “Guth Venus” is just an ongoing
topic that’s of research focused upon one relatively small area of an
otherwise terrific radar obtained imaged portion of the extremely
nearby planet Venus, that which seems to depict a rather fair number
of extremely interesting geology attributes that also seems as though
offering a perfectly active and complex portion of mountainous
terrain, as well as depicting a fair number of those highly unusual
geometrical attributes that have otherwise never been recorded
elsewhere, as having been caused or created by nature of any other
known geology and subsequent erosion, nor shaped via those pesky plate
tectonics which the planet Venus w/o moon has but extremely few of
those seismic issues to contend with.
Of course, if you can only manage to see a natural evolved pile of hot
rocks as situated in perfectly random happenstance patterns (meaning
no interpretations of any geometrics, symmetrical or rational
infrastructure patterns whatsoever), then perhaps don’t bother your
mainstream closed mindset self any further, because the rest of this
topic is only going to keep pissing you off.
Here’s a not so little size perspective analogy:
At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium / Louisiana Superdome (plus part of its
surrounding real estate footprint) would fit within each cup of that
enormous clover shaped reservoir.
surrounding real estate footprint) would fit within each cup of that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
imaging as artificial, whereas some of those other terrestrial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be rather easily
interpreted as somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
hugely geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous
terrain and within the path of a river or as blocking a canyon/gorge,
as well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon
or gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
Just for a friendly intellectual game of amusing or brain-teasing
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
hugely geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous
terrain and within the path of a river or as blocking a canyon/gorge,
as well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon
or gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
yourself, and for others being a good open minded investigative sport,
this ongoing observationology effort is simply intended to share and
see if anyone else can manage to deductively interpret anything the
least bit unusual within the following image that doesn’t quite look
as though the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely
responsible. (try to remember that the original image is that of a
radar obtained composite offering 36 confirming looks or scans per
least bit unusual within the following image that doesn’t quite look
as though the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely
responsible. (try to remember that the original image is that of a
pixel, obtained at a nifty FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so that its
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re totally stumped or
kinda dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a
bunch of 5th graders, as a class science project.
Besides perfectly natural reservoiring, what the hell (literally
scorching hot as hell) is that extremely large clover shaped reservoir
doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of obviously
interpreted as something that’s symmetrically geometric, and then what
about that other somewhat smaller reservoir that’s seemingly connected
and clearly containing something fluid, not to mention more than a few
other odd geometric considerations that look as though quite
artificial, as though some level of logical intelligence had created
them).
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
have had its fair share of surface fluids, or at least geothermal
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
boosted/extruded muds or dense mineral and/or sulfur acidic brines to
contend with, as well as hydrocarbons really shouldn’t be all that
impossible once we reconsider what hydrocarbons the Saturn moon Titan
has to work with (highly unlikely produced by any organic decay).
Even as offering a conservative natural reservoir interpretation, it
seems as rather complex and enormous but otherwise it certainly could
be kind of perfectly natural, including that other somewhat
conventional round reservoir above that’s containing something fluid
that also seems connected. However, as far as anyone knows, there’s
not one other terrestrial example or that obtained from any other
planet or moon as offering anything nearly as geologically mountainous
terrain and erosion complex, plus otherwise looking as downright
planet or moon as offering anything nearly as geologically mountainous
impressive with its reservoirs, complex of a flat airstrip, plus
offering a nearby bridge and multiple other structural looking
attributes of a logical community that kind of depicts a rational
infrastructure. So what the hell gives?
At this point of my observationology (11+ years of deductive image
interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover shaped
reservoir could represent a mostly natural though extremely large
formation, and just because something like this complex reservoir is
truly big and of a complex geometric design doesn’t mean that it
doesn’t exist, and just because the exact same digital image
resampling process was applied equally to each and every other
available pixel which didn’t manage to convert any of those other
surrounding raw terrain pixels into artificial looking items, doesn’t
resampling process was applied equally to each and every other
available pixel which didn’t manage to convert any of those other
mean that the few items it did manage to interpret as being
sufficiently geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as
something intelligently symmetrical are not actually there to behold,
because nature usually isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical
and/or complex looking geometries, and especially not whenever a
logical or rational community like infrastructure gets involved.
If you’d care to further explore the commercial and private
exploitation of Venus, or even that of our trusty moon, then by all
means it’s still every bit as good of time as any. However, if for
personal safety and job security is why you have to stick within a
specified social/political policy and faith-based mainstream closed
mindset, then don't even bother yourself to risk that failsafe by
actually looking at Venus, unless you do not mind discovering what
your peers and their government army of mostly public-funded peers and
FUD-masters hasn’t been willing to tell us about such a nearby planet
of such terrific metallicity, that’s so geothermally active.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
Brad Guth
Jan 3, 2012, 4:06:53 PM1/3/12
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Not that an extremely nearby Venus is ever going to become naked
Goldilocks worthy, but none the less it does offer more or less all
the same elements as Earth, and with its unlimited local resources of
renewable clean energy means that it could easily accommodate any
number of sufficiently educated Goldilocks that's at least smarter
than a 5th grader, that’s a whole lot smarter tan a typical adult
redneck because at least they’ll know how to use an “Ove Glove” before
touching hot stuff.
Here’s that 11+ year old burning question of the day: Where's all of
our supposed crack image interpretation expertise hiding? (actually
they’ve had roughly 17 years to get this one right)
How about those wizards of our NSA/CIA and Qinetiq-NA, along with NIMA/
NGIA doing their usual terrific image interpreting thing, of having to
spy on us plus spot all those Muslim WMD hidden on Venus?
Obviously they’re all flat out of such skills and expertise whenever
it comes down to interpreting offworld reservoirs (natural or
artificial), not to mention their interpreting anything bridge like or
otherwise geometrically suggestive of anything potentially
infrastructure worthy, like a very big airstrip surface that’s for
obvious reasons kind of flat and otherwise oddly raised out of and/or
situated within an otherwise extremely mountainous terrain, along with
several other nearby structures in a seemingly rational setting that
can not be so easily interpreted as perfectly natural terrain and
erosion formed, perhaps because that simply isn’t within any of their
specified job skill requirements to honestly and deductively interpret
anything they haven’t been specifically instructed to look for and
identify, such as Muslim WMD.
In spite of this ongoing mainstream naysay gauntlet, Guth Venus is
just an ongoing topic that’s focused upon interpreting one relatively
small but extremely interesting area of an otherwise terrific radar
obtained imaged portion of this extremely nearby planet, that which
seems to depict a rather fair number of rather extremely interesting
has but extremely few if any of those issues to contend with.
Of course, if you only manage to see a nasty pile of hot rocks in
perfectly random happenstance patterns (meaning no geometric,
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be rather easily
and for others being a good open-minded investigative sport, this
ongoing observationology effort is simply intended to share and see if
to contend with, as well as hydrocarbons shouldn’t be impossible once
we reconsider what the Saturn moon Titan supposedly has to work with.
Even as offering a conservative natural reservoir interpretation, it
that’s containing something fluid and seems connected. However, as
interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover shaped
infrastructure is involved.
If you’d care to further explore the commercial and private
exploitation of Venus, then by all means it’s still every bit as good
of time as any, to consider the greater good and long-term job
benefits that off-world metallicity mining and processing has to offer
us, or you can always stick with your mainstream failsafe denial,
because just look at how well that status-quo has turned out.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
Goldilocks worthy, but none the less it does offer more or less all
the same elements as Earth, and with its unlimited local resources of
renewable clean energy means that it could easily accommodate any
number of sufficiently educated Goldilocks that's at least smarter
than a 5th grader, that’s a whole lot smarter tan a typical adult
redneck because at least they’ll know how to use an “Ove Glove” before
touching hot stuff.
Here’s that 11+ year old burning question of the day: Where's all of
our supposed crack image interpretation expertise hiding? (actually
they’ve had roughly 17 years to get this one right)
How about those wizards of our NSA/CIA and Qinetiq-NA, along with NIMA/
NGIA doing their usual terrific image interpreting thing, of having to
spy on us plus spot all those Muslim WMD hidden on Venus?
Obviously they’re all flat out of such skills and expertise whenever
it comes down to interpreting offworld reservoirs (natural or
artificial), not to mention their interpreting anything bridge like or
otherwise geometrically suggestive of anything potentially
infrastructure worthy, like a very big airstrip surface that’s for
obvious reasons kind of flat and otherwise oddly raised out of and/or
situated within an otherwise extremely mountainous terrain, along with
several other nearby structures in a seemingly rational setting that
can not be so easily interpreted as perfectly natural terrain and
erosion formed, perhaps because that simply isn’t within any of their
specified job skill requirements to honestly and deductively interpret
anything they haven’t been specifically instructed to look for and
identify, such as Muslim WMD.
In spite of this ongoing mainstream naysay gauntlet, Guth Venus is
just an ongoing topic that’s focused upon interpreting one relatively
small but extremely interesting area of an otherwise terrific radar
obtained imaged portion of this extremely nearby planet, that which
seems to depict a rather fair number of rather extremely interesting
geology attributes that also seems as though offering a perfectly
active and complex portion of Venus terrain, as well as depicting a
fair number of those highly unusual geometrical attributes that have
otherwise never been recorded elsewhere as having been caused or
created by nature of any other known geology and subsequent erosion,
nor via those pesky plate tectonics which the planet Venus w/o moon
has but extremely few if any of those issues to contend with.
Of course, if you only manage to see a nasty pile of hot rocks in
perfectly random happenstance patterns (meaning no geometric,
symmetrical or rational infrastructure patterns whatsoever), then
perhaps don’t bother your mainstream closed-mindset self any further,
because the rest of this topic is only going to keep pissing you off.
Here’s a not so little size perspective:
At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium / Louisiana Superdome (plus part of its
surrounding real estate footprint) would fit within each cup of that
enormous clover shaped reservoir.
surrounding real estate footprint) would fit within each cup of that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
imaging as artificial, whereas some of those other terrestrial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be rather easily
interpreted as somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
hugely geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous
terrain and within the path of a river or as blocking a canyon/gorge,
as well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon
or gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
Just for my perfectly friendly intellectual game of amusing yourself,
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
hugely geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous
terrain and within the path of a river or as blocking a canyon/gorge,
as well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon
or gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
and for others being a good open-minded investigative sport, this
ongoing observationology effort is simply intended to share and see if
anyone else can manage to deductively interpret anything the least bit
unusual within the following image that doesn’t quite look as though
the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely responsible. (try
to remember that the original image is that of a radar obtained
composite of 36 confirming looks or scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV
down angle of 43 degrees, so that its interpretation can be nearly 3D
unusual within the following image that doesn’t quite look as though
the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely responsible. (try
to remember that the original image is that of a radar obtained
composite of 36 confirming looks or scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV
worthy). If you’re stumped or dumbfounded, then turn this
observationology request over to a bunch of 5th graders, as a class
science project.
Besides identifying those perfectly natural geology reservoiring
observationology request over to a bunch of 5th graders, as a class
science project.
functions, what the hell (literally scorching hot as hell) is that
extremely large clover shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s
really big and kind of obvious, and then what about that other
somewhat smaller one that’s seemingly connected and clearly containing
something fluid, not to mention more than a few other odd geometric
extremely large clover shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s
really big and kind of obvious, and then what about that other
somewhat smaller one that’s seemingly connected and clearly containing
considerations that look as though quite artificial, almost as though
some level of intelligence had created them).
It’s unlikely that such a dynamically complex and active planet as
some level of intelligence had created them).
Venus wouldn’t have its fair share of surface fluids, or at least
geothermal boosted/extruded muds or dense mineral and/or acidic brines
to contend with, as well as hydrocarbons shouldn’t be impossible once
we reconsider what the Saturn moon Titan supposedly has to work with.
Even as offering a conservative natural reservoir interpretation, it
seems rather enormous but otherwise kind of perfectly natural,
including that other somewhat smaller conventional reservoir above it
that’s containing something fluid and seems connected. However, as
far as anyone knows, there’s not one other terrestrial example or that
obtained from any other planet (including Earth) or moon as offering
anything nearly as geologically mountainous terrain and erosion
complex plus looking downright impressive, so what the hell gives?
At this point of my observationology (11+ years of deductive image
complex plus looking downright impressive, so what the hell gives?
interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover shaped
reservoir represents a mostly natural though extremely large
formation, and just because something like this complex reservoir is
truly big doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, and just because the
exact same image resampling process was applied equally to each and
every other available pixel which didn’t manage to convert any of
those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial looking items,
doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to interpret as
geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as intelligently
symmetrical, are not actually there to behold, because nature isn’t
those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial looking items,
doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to interpret as
geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as intelligently
very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or complex looking
geometries, and especially whenever a logical community like
infrastructure is involved.
If you’d care to further explore the commercial and private
of time as any, to consider the greater good and long-term job
benefits that off-world metallicity mining and processing has to offer
us, or you can always stick with your mainstream failsafe denial,
because just look at how well that status-quo has turned out.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
Brad Guth
Jan 4, 2012, 1:55:47 PM1/4/12
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Here’s yet another enterprising alternative as to avoiding the
geothermally hot and nasty surface of Venus, as representing a kind of
upper atmospheric home away from home, based entirely on buoyancy.
There have actually been many such floating city notions, so this one
by Dave Dietzler isn’t entirely original, and even William Mook (our
resident wizard of everything under the sun) highly approves of this
method.
How to Do Venus / Building those Surreal Estates of Venus
http://www.moonminer.com/Venus.html
Solar Powered Flight on Venus
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
and me) As of 2010 they employ near 14,000 and they are mostly public
funded but remain off the regular books so that it doesn’t appear as
any official agency or extension of our government (kind of like their
Federal Reserve that gets to operate as they please).
Just what we all need is yet another 14,000 spendy cloak and dagger
positions of FUD-masters and their stealth infrastructure to pay for,
not to mention our having to pay for whatever mistakes and cover-thy-
butt expenses. I'm certain the Rothschilds and all the public funded
ZNR/GOP redneck minions of oligarchs don't mind spending our hard earn
loot on any of this one bit.
Not that an extremely nearby Venus is ever going to become perfectly
stupid (especially considering the upper atmospheric weather is
anything but calm), although a fleet of composite rigid airships
(robotic and fully manned) for the cruising lower atmosphere seem
perfectly sane and otherwise highly productive.
Here’s that same pesky 11+ year old burning question of the day:
along with NIMA/NGIA doing their usual terrific image interpreting
a thousand times better resolution plus those reliable informants that
only had ulterior motives, vested interest and their faith-based
policy to satisfy.
Obviously they’re all flat out of such skills and expertise whenever
it comes down to interpreting offworld reservoirs (natural or
artificial), not to mention their interpreting anything enormously
surface that’s for obvious reasons made flat and otherwise oddly
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be rather easily
Even as offering a conservative natural reservoir interpretation, it
that’s containing something fluid and seems connected. However, as
interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover shaped
geothermally hot and nasty surface of Venus, as representing a kind of
upper atmospheric home away from home, based entirely on buoyancy.
There have actually been many such floating city notions, so this one
by Dave Dietzler isn’t entirely original, and even William Mook (our
resident wizard of everything under the sun) highly approves of this
method.
How to Do Venus / Building those Surreal Estates of Venus
http://www.moonminer.com/Venus.html
Solar Powered Flight on Venus
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
and me) As of 2010 they employ near 14,000 and they are mostly public
funded but remain off the regular books so that it doesn’t appear as
any official agency or extension of our government (kind of like their
Federal Reserve that gets to operate as they please).
Just what we all need is yet another 14,000 spendy cloak and dagger
positions of FUD-masters and their stealth infrastructure to pay for,
not to mention our having to pay for whatever mistakes and cover-thy-
butt expenses. I'm certain the Rothschilds and all the public funded
ZNR/GOP redneck minions of oligarchs don't mind spending our hard earn
loot on any of this one bit.
Not that an extremely nearby Venus is ever going to become perfectly
naked Goldilocks worthy, but none the less it does offer more or less
all the same elements as Earth, and with its unlimited local resources
of renewable clean energy means that it could easily accommodate any
number of sufficiently educated Goldilocks that's at least smarter
than a 5th grader, that’s a whole lot smarter tan a typical adult
redneck because at least they’ll know how to use an “Ove Glove” before
touching hot stuff.
Personally, I think any notions of floating cities is incredibly
all the same elements as Earth, and with its unlimited local resources
of renewable clean energy means that it could easily accommodate any
number of sufficiently educated Goldilocks that's at least smarter
than a 5th grader, that’s a whole lot smarter tan a typical adult
redneck because at least they’ll know how to use an “Ove Glove” before
touching hot stuff.
stupid (especially considering the upper atmospheric weather is
anything but calm), although a fleet of composite rigid airships
(robotic and fully manned) for the cruising lower atmosphere seem
perfectly sane and otherwise highly productive.
Here’s that same pesky 11+ year old burning question of the day:
Where's all of our supposed crack image interpretation expertise
hiding? (actually they’ve had roughly 17 years to get this one right)
How about those public-funded wizards of our NSA/CIA and Qinetiq-NA,
hiding? (actually they’ve had roughly 17 years to get this one right)
along with NIMA/NGIA doing their usual terrific image interpreting
thing, of having to spy on us plus spot all those Muslim WMD hidden on
Venus because of how they did such a fine job right here on Earth with
a thousand times better resolution plus those reliable informants that
only had ulterior motives, vested interest and their faith-based
policy to satisfy.
Obviously they’re all flat out of such skills and expertise whenever
it comes down to interpreting offworld reservoirs (natural or
bridge like or otherwise geometrically suggestive of anything
potentially infrastructure worthy, like a very big airstrip kind of
surface that’s for obvious reasons made flat and otherwise oddly
raised out of and/or situated within an otherwise extremely
mountainous terrain, along with several other nearby structures in a
seemingly rational community setting that can not be so easily
mountainous terrain, along with several other nearby structures in a
interpreted as perfectly natural terrain and erosion formed, perhaps
because that simply isn’t within any of their specified job skill
requirements to honestly and deductively interpret anything they
haven’t been specifically instructed to look for and identify, such as
Muslim WMD.
In spite of this ongoing mainstream naysay gauntlet, Guth Venus is
just an ongoing topic that’s focused upon interpreting one relatively
small but extremely interesting area of an otherwise terrific radar
obtained imaged portion of this extremely nearby planet, that which
seems to depict a rather fair number of rather extremely interesting
geology attributes that also seems as though offering a perfectly
active and complex portion of Venus terrain, as well as depicting a
fair number of those highly unusual geometrical attributes that have
otherwise never been recorded elsewhere as having been caused or
created by nature of any other known geology and subsequent erosion,
nor via those pesky plate tectonics which the planet Venus w/o moon
has but extremely few if any of those issues to contend with.
Of course, if you only manage to see a nasty pile of hot rocks in
perfectly random happenstance patterns (meaning no geometric,
symmetrical or rational infrastructure patterns whatsoever), then
perhaps don’t bother your mainstream closed-mindset self any further,
because the rest of this topic is only going to keep pissing you off.
Here’s a not so little size perspective:
because that simply isn’t within any of their specified job skill
requirements to honestly and deductively interpret anything they
haven’t been specifically instructed to look for and identify, such as
Muslim WMD.
In spite of this ongoing mainstream naysay gauntlet, Guth Venus is
just an ongoing topic that’s focused upon interpreting one relatively
small but extremely interesting area of an otherwise terrific radar
obtained imaged portion of this extremely nearby planet, that which
seems to depict a rather fair number of rather extremely interesting
geology attributes that also seems as though offering a perfectly
active and complex portion of Venus terrain, as well as depicting a
fair number of those highly unusual geometrical attributes that have
otherwise never been recorded elsewhere as having been caused or
created by nature of any other known geology and subsequent erosion,
nor via those pesky plate tectonics which the planet Venus w/o moon
has but extremely few if any of those issues to contend with.
Of course, if you only manage to see a nasty pile of hot rocks in
perfectly random happenstance patterns (meaning no geometric,
symmetrical or rational infrastructure patterns whatsoever), then
perhaps don’t bother your mainstream closed-mindset self any further,
because the rest of this topic is only going to keep pissing you off.
At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium / Louisiana Superdome (plus part of its
surrounding real estate footprint) would fit within each cup of that
enormous clover shaped reservoir.
surrounding real estate footprint) would fit within each cup of that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
imaging as artificial, whereas some of those other terrestrial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be rather easily
interpreted as somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
hugely geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous
terrain and within the path of a river or as blocking a canyon/gorge,
as well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon
or gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
hugely geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous
terrain and within the path of a river or as blocking a canyon/gorge,
as well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon
or gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
Just for my perfectly friendly intellectual game of amusing yourself,
and for others being a good open-minded investigative sport, this
ongoing observationology effort is simply intended to share and see if
and for others being a good open-minded investigative sport, this
anyone else can manage to deductively interpret anything the least bit
unusual within the following image that doesn’t quite look as though
the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely responsible. (try
to remember that the original image is that of a radar obtained
composite of 36 confirming looks or scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV
down angle of 43 degrees, so that its interpretation can be nearly 3D
unusual within the following image that doesn’t quite look as though
the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely responsible. (try
to remember that the original image is that of a radar obtained
composite of 36 confirming looks or scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV
worthy). If you’re stumped or dumbfounded, then turn this
observationology request over to a bunch of 5th graders, as a class
science project.
observationology request over to a bunch of 5th graders, as a class
science project.
Besides identifying those perfectly natural geology reservoiring
functions, what the hell (literally scorching hot as hell) is that
extremely large clover shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s
really big and kind of obvious, and then what about that other
somewhat smaller one that’s seemingly connected and clearly containing
something fluid, not to mention more than a few other odd geometric
extremely large clover shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s
really big and kind of obvious, and then what about that other
somewhat smaller one that’s seemingly connected and clearly containing
considerations that look as though quite artificial, almost as though
some level of intelligence had created them).
It’s unlikely that such a dynamically complex and active planet as
some level of intelligence had created them).
Venus wouldn’t have its fair share of surface fluids, or at least
geothermal boosted/extruded muds or dense mineral and/or acidic brines
to contend with, as well as hydrocarbons shouldn’t be impossible once
we reconsider what the Saturn moon Titan supposedly has to work with.
to contend with, as well as hydrocarbons shouldn’t be impossible once
Even as offering a conservative natural reservoir interpretation, it
seems rather enormous but otherwise kind of perfectly natural,
including that other somewhat smaller conventional reservoir above it
that’s containing something fluid and seems connected. However, as
far as anyone knows, there’s not one other terrestrial example or that
obtained from any other planet (including Earth) or moon as offering
anything nearly as geologically mountainous terrain and erosion
complex plus looking downright impressive, so what the hell gives?
At this point of my observationology (11+ years of deductive image
complex plus looking downright impressive, so what the hell gives?
interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover shaped
reservoir represents a mostly natural though extremely large
formation, and just because something like this complex reservoir is
truly big doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, and just because the
exact same image resampling process was applied equally to each and
every other available pixel which didn’t manage to convert any of
those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial looking items,
doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to interpret as
geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as intelligently
symmetrical, are not actually there to behold, because nature isn’t
those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial looking items,
doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to interpret as
geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as intelligently
very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or complex looking
geometries, and especially whenever a logical community like
infrastructure is involved.
If you’d care to further explore the commercial and private
exploitation of Venus, then by all means it’s still every bit as good
of time as any, especially to consider the greater good and long-term
infrastructure is involved.
If you’d care to further explore the commercial and private
exploitation of Venus, then by all means it’s still every bit as good
job benefits that off-world metallicity mining and processing has to
offer us or whomever gets there first, or you can always stick with
your mainstream failsafe denial, because just look at how well that
status-quo has turned out.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
status-quo has turned out.
Brad Guth
Jan 5, 2012, 12:08:31 AM1/5/12
to
Venus isn't insurmountable.
And yet here we get to sit, as still waiting to hear from those that
usually claim to know everything. Is there any true expertise other
than the usual mainstream minions, parrots, brown-nosed clowns and FUD-
masters to deductively interpret an image? They obviously know what
they're doing by having previously interpreted all of those Muslim WMD
for us, as well as having orchestrated all of that shock and awe that
was supposed to intimidate those Muslims into just giving up and
handing all of their oil over to us (though just keeping it off the
global market did wonders for the artificially inflated price and
subsequent profits that went globally into the trillions above and
beyond anything the likes of BP and Exxon/Mobile could have possibly
imagined).
So far it's dysfunctional 5th graders scoring a 10 in
observationology, and all others scoring near zero or less (perhaps it
must be a faith-based visual interpretation disorder in their genetics
of some weird kind of broken family tree).
Odd that my quest and sharing of my ongoing research has always drawn
such a devout gauntlet of mainstream obfuscation, as FUD-master
attention and mainstream damage-control which even warrants their
resident "alt.astronomy" rabbi to keep pitching fits. Good thing I'm
not a dark-skinned Jewish kid going by the name of Jesus Christ,
because they'd be having others put me on a stick in nothing flat.
It seems their best expertise can’t manage to deductively interpret an
image of the Venus surface, as in totally blinded and/or dumbfounded
past the point of no return is apparently the best of what we get for
our hard earned loot. However, the usual devout gauntlet of their
spooks, moles, brown-nosed clowns and FUD-masters that claim absolute
expertise in absolutely everything else are not having any problems
with their assigned jobs of topic/author stalking and systematic
bashing for all they can collectively muster.
Because these mainstream folks have always been so gosh darn smart is
also a good primary reason as to why our nation is starved for cheaper
and cleaner energy, as well as their having totally snookered and
dumbfounded most of us past the point of no return. But then we get
exactly what we ask and pay for, so it’s not exactly a big surprise
when the republic is so easily fooled into paying for multiple do-
overs and for the sorts of PR spin, hype and obfuscation sorts of
damage control of blaming others for everything that turns out badly
or goes bust for whatever reason is always the fault(s) of others.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_S...
And yet here we get to sit, as still waiting to hear from those that
usually claim to know everything. Is there any true expertise other
than the usual mainstream minions, parrots, brown-nosed clowns and FUD-
masters to deductively interpret an image? They obviously know what
they're doing by having previously interpreted all of those Muslim WMD
for us, as well as having orchestrated all of that shock and awe that
was supposed to intimidate those Muslims into just giving up and
handing all of their oil over to us (though just keeping it off the
global market did wonders for the artificially inflated price and
subsequent profits that went globally into the trillions above and
beyond anything the likes of BP and Exxon/Mobile could have possibly
imagined).
So far it's dysfunctional 5th graders scoring a 10 in
observationology, and all others scoring near zero or less (perhaps it
must be a faith-based visual interpretation disorder in their genetics
of some weird kind of broken family tree).
Odd that my quest and sharing of my ongoing research has always drawn
such a devout gauntlet of mainstream obfuscation, as FUD-master
attention and mainstream damage-control which even warrants their
resident "alt.astronomy" rabbi to keep pitching fits. Good thing I'm
not a dark-skinned Jewish kid going by the name of Jesus Christ,
because they'd be having others put me on a stick in nothing flat.
It seems their best expertise can’t manage to deductively interpret an
image of the Venus surface, as in totally blinded and/or dumbfounded
past the point of no return is apparently the best of what we get for
our hard earned loot. However, the usual devout gauntlet of their
spooks, moles, brown-nosed clowns and FUD-masters that claim absolute
expertise in absolutely everything else are not having any problems
with their assigned jobs of topic/author stalking and systematic
bashing for all they can collectively muster.
Because these mainstream folks have always been so gosh darn smart is
also a good primary reason as to why our nation is starved for cheaper
and cleaner energy, as well as their having totally snookered and
dumbfounded most of us past the point of no return. But then we get
exactly what we ask and pay for, so it’s not exactly a big surprise
when the republic is so easily fooled into paying for multiple do-
overs and for the sorts of PR spin, hype and obfuscation sorts of
damage control of blaming others for everything that turns out badly
or goes bust for whatever reason is always the fault(s) of others.
On Jan 4, 10:55 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here’s yet another enterprising alternative as to avoiding the
> geothermally hot and nasty surface of Venus, as representing a kind of
> upper atmospheric home away from home, based entirely on buoyancy.
> There have actually been many such floating city notions, so this one
> by Dave Dietzler isn’t entirely original, and even William Mook (our
> resident wizard of everything under the sun) highly approves of this
> method.
>
> How to Do Venus / Building those Surreal Estates of Venus
> http://www.moonminer.com/Venus.html
>
> Solar Powered Flight on Venus
> http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
> - and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
> http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm(Qinetiq-NA is yet another
> Here’s yet another enterprising alternative as to avoiding the
> geothermally hot and nasty surface of Venus, as representing a kind of
> upper atmospheric home away from home, based entirely on buoyancy.
> There have actually been many such floating city notions, so this one
> by Dave Dietzler isn’t entirely original, and even William Mook (our
> resident wizard of everything under the sun) highly approves of this
> method.
>
> How to Do Venus / Building those Surreal Estates of Venus
> http://www.moonminer.com/Venus.html
>
> Solar Powered Flight on Venus
> http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
> - and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
Brad Guth
Jan 5, 2012, 12:40:00 AM1/5/12
to
Not that our government and many of their perfectly super-terrific
agencies haven’t let us down the wrong path and dropped their balls
more often than we care to admit, but there’s also a serious class-
action suit brewing on behalf of the intellectual and scientific
discrimination brewing against our DARPA and NASA, with regards to
their obfuscation (evidence excluding) about our physically dark moon
and the extremely nearby planet Venus, whereas the public is hereby
invited and encouraged to have a look-see at what our DARPA and NASA
have been up to, as well as pondering as to what they could have been
and should have been doing with our trust and hard earned loot.
Of course everything that either turns out badly or even looks fishy
is contracted out to some other group(s), so that NASA and DARPA each
become just the mission bus drivers.
Foremost in this topic, if you can’t deductively interpret an image,
then simply don’t bother yourself because it’s going to be impossible
to change your typically closed mindset, regardless of the independent
research and educated interpretations by others.
For the moment I’m just offering yet another friendly little
physics-101 reminder, saying that any planet with dense clouds
(especially such as those extremely robust and acidic clouds
surrounding Venus) typically accomplish a terrific job of reflecting
and/or deflecting considerably more solar energy than they manage to
absorb, allow through and otherwise manage to insulate or retain of
what little solar influx reaches the surface, and that even goes
equally for our planet, not to mention what those seriously thick,
robust and acidic (thermally conductive) atmosphere and clouds of
Venus can only manage to benefit any planet orbiting closer to the
sun, by those mostly cryogenic upper layer of clouds reflecting the
vast majority of that solar energy by each long season of day and
still allowing the solar influx plus geothermal energy via convection
and conductive transfer to essentially escape via radiating its
surplus energy away by each long season of nighttime, because there’s
simply no question that Venus is not within thermal balance when it
has been interpreted by others as upwelling considerable geothermal
energy and thus radiating on average 20.5 w/m2. This of course
interprets as though Venus is still actively cooling off.
Well below those acidic clouds is a fairly calm and thermally stable
environment that keeps everything rather toasty at 720 K (+/- 15 K),
unless you go all the way to either pole where the surface
temperatures directly below each polar vortex seldom get below 600 K
(just right for fast pressure cooking those frozen pizzas).
Even by day the upper third of those clouds (above 62 km) are kept
well below freezing, and by season of nighttime it’s the upper two
thirds that’s going cryogenic. So that’s hardly representing any
significant “greenhouse” that’s unable to sufficiently reflect solar
influx, nor are such acidic clouds sufficiently insulative in order to
stop the combined or composite thermal outflux.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_1.html
“The images show the temperature of the cloud tops at about 65 km
(40.4 miles) altitude. A darker region corresponds to higher
temperature and thus lower altitude. The center of the vortex, at a
temperature of about 250K (around minus 9.7 degrees Fahrenheit), is
the deepest zone, exhibiting the highest temperature. (Credit: ESA/
VIRTIS/INAF-IASF/Obs. de Paris-LESIA)”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110927171052.htm
Problem is, clearly some/most of us here in Usenet/newsgroups (a
public media gauntlet of perpetual naysay and denial that’s mostly
populated by a collective of imposters and/or FUD-masters that get to
do as they please) that like to parrot their mainstream status-quo
mantra by continually spewing their public-funded infomercials and
otherwise time spent fooling or clowning around and obviously wasting
precious public funded time, talent and resources while pretending at
always being so Atheist wise, politically independent and all-knowing
by way of parroting and hyping their mainstream infomercials, thus
always representing the politically correct and faith-based approved
mindset that’s usually closed to revisions or allowing any change, as
though only they have been representing the one and only good side of
each and every mainstream status-quo topic or argument. Of course
that’s also what the likes of Hitler, GW Bush, Dick Cheney and
Kissinger always thought and/or insisted upon, and long before then it
was those Romans that supposedly had been the victors and supposedly
had pretty much everything going for themselves at the expense and
demise of others represented mostly by the lower 99.9% caste. It’s
also somewhat like the analogy of stepping out of an airplane without
a parachute, whereas everything seems perfectly fine and dandy up
until the hard landing, and right about now our dysfunctional NASA
that’s looking at a serious balloon payment coming due for their
previous refinancing and near zero return on investment, kinda needs a
darn good parachute that’ll represent a solid technological
advancement and discovery payback kind of win-win for humanity that’s
every bit as good or actually a whole lot better than walking on the
moon. At least that is what I believe our physically dark moon and
the extremely nearby planet Venus each have to offer, is a private and
commercial free-enterprise expansion of our human race in order to
survive the near future that’s getting downright spendy and somewhat
testy, whereas if we must remain terrestrial sequestered is only going
to become a little worse than merely testy without significant changes
to the ways and means that some of us think is perfectly okay as is.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
On Sep 3, 1:05 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/3/11 1:05 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> > If you don't believe in those pesky regular laws of physics, nor
> > accept the best available science and applied technology that can be
> > independently replicated, then by all means the extremely nearby
> > planet Venus is not for you or any other mainstream dumbfounded
> > Goldilocks.
>
> Scientists Perceive NASA Bias Against Venus
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-...
>
> "Venus would seem to be a tempting destination for planetary probes:
> conveniently close, and an extreme laboratory for atmospheric processes
> familiar on Earth. So why won't NASA send a mission there? That was the
> frustrated question coming from scientists at the annual meeting of
> NASA's Venus Exploration Analysis Group (VEXAG) near Washington, D.C.,
> on August 30-31. They perceive an agency bias against Venus, a planet
> that hasn't seen a U.S. mission since the Magellan probe radar-mapped
> its shrouded surface in the early 1990s, and which won't see one any
> time soon, after NASA this year rejected a bumper crop of Venus
> proposals. [Slide Show: 8 of the Most Extreme Places in the Solar System]
>
> "A lot of us are dismayed," says David Grinspoon, astrobiology curator
> at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science in Colorado, who is a
> co-investigator on several of the proposals. Some of the reasons for the
> planet's neglect are obvious: surface temperatures that would melt lead
> and thick clouds of sulfuric acid make data gathering a challenge for
> landers and orbiters alike. And unlike Mars Venus is neither a plausible
> haven for life nor a potential destination for astronauts.
>
> "But Grinspoon says that something more insidious is at work. Without
> new missions supplying data for analysis, funding for Venus research has
> dwindled, leading to fewer students entering the field and a smaller
> constituency to lobby for missions. "Because of this feedback loop, the
> community has shrunk," he says. Research grants mentioning Venus have
> accounted for just 2 percent of NASA's planetary-science funding since
> 2005".
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-nasa
Thanks for having provided that topic related news link, which only
goes to show that I'm not the only soul on Earth that's pulling at our
NASA strings and pushing those "Do-Not-Push" buttons of our mainstream
status quo that’s doing everything it can in order to avoid our moon
and the planet Venus. This kind of news doesn't mean that I have to
agree with each and every interpretation or scientific motivation by
Grinspoon, but at least many if not most of his investigative interest
are perfectly honest, well enough founded and should be given some
public support. Obviously any official vote for another Venus mission
is also a vote for “Guth Venus”, so that’s kind of a big problem for
our dysfunctional NASA that clearly dropped the ball as of our
Magellan mission which enabled us to clearly see whatever Venus had to
offer (though be it at a low resolution that offered us a look-see at
only large scale items), whereas my research is only regarding such
large scale items and the physics and/or logic as to how such could
even exist within that pressure cooker environment.
There’s actually any number of existing ideas and notions as to how
and when intelligent other life created complex geometric items of
such large scale, although as of nowadays it’s technically possible
for visiting ETs (such as us supposedly intelligent humans) to deal
with that pressure cooker environment, not that it’ll ever become
another Goldilocks kind of naked compatible Eden unless artificially
terraformed and thereby forced by way of natural plus unnatural means
of cooling off. Of course you’d need a very substantially reflective
layer of clouds by day in order to fend off most of that 2650 w/m2 of
solar influx, and ideally some nighttime clearing of clouds or that of
a very thermally conductive atmosphere along with clouds in order to
get rid of all that solar influx (kind of like what Venus currently
has going for itself).
Here's that same old original boring monochrome and cloudless GIF
composite radar obtained image file (as raw and not having been
enlargement processed) that our mainstream status-quo has been so
deathly afraid others (including K12s) might actually look at and
interpret for themselves:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Without even downloading this public GIF monochrome image, you can
still screen zoom-in on the small area in question (of somewhat less
than 10% of the composite FOV), so as to keeping the raw 1:1 pixel
format and its rather limited resolution of 225 meters/pixel, and
thereby have yourself a perfectly good look-see at interpreting
whatever that sort of 225 meter per pixel resolution has to offer.
Here’s one of my basic 10:1 resampled enlargements, of the very same
small area of “Guth Venus” that I’ve pointed out to our NASA and
others of their Magellan team for more than the past decade, that’s
still offering a clean generic composite derivative like their
original (at least my research methology can be easily reversed and
independently replicated to suit any degree of potential topic/author
discrediting or assassination:
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
If you’d care to focus on interpreting anything specific, please go
right ahead and do so, because I’m not absolutely certain that my
deductive interpretation of what the image depicts is offering the
best or only observationology option.
There are methods of safely exploring and even for eventually
developing commercial applications for exploiting the planet Venus.
Of course a whole nearby planet like Venus is technically worth many
trillions in profit per year, and as far as I can tell there’s simply
no valid technical reasons as to why it and our trusty old moon can’t
be privately and commercially exploited for their unusually high
metallicity plus multiple other valuables.
Solar Powered Flight on Venus
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
and me) As of 2010 they employed near 14,000 and they are mostly
public funded but remain off-grid, so as the regular books do not make
them appear as any official agency or extension of our government
Rothschilds and all the public funded ZNR/GOP redneck oligarchs really
don't mind spending our hard earn loot on any of this, not one bit.
The ongoing mainstream scientific discrimination against exploiting
our moon or Venus is entirely uncalled for, but never the less it’s a
well published matter of fact that anything proposed for commercially
or privately dealing with our moon or the extremely nearby planet
Venus is getting intentionally banished or systematically excluded by
those individuals of power and authority well above that of any
Presidential authority, that do not want myself or anyone else
getting an ounce of credit or any mention, is fairly obvious, because
they’d much rather higher the likes of secretive contracted services
like Qinetiq, or simply stick with their usual cabal of insiders that
already know how the game is played.
"Scientists Perceive NASA Bias Against Venus”
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-nasa
“Venus scientists fear neglect”
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110902/full/477145a.html
So, what's your personal take on this "NASA Bias Against Venus"?
“Venus is of less interest than Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto
and Asteroids. It's not like we can send a probe to the surface and
rover around or make optical photographs from orbit.” / Sam Wormley
Clearly there’s some of us that can’t hardly think inside the
mainstream box, much less even peek a little outside their cozy box,
and devout insiders that are usually public-funded and always strictly
compartmentalized plus clearly not permitted by policy to think at all
unless it’s within their less than 0.1% narrow expertise as to
physics, science and applied technology. So what may we ask is the
less than 0.1% narrow expertise or specialty (other than resident
parrot) of Sam Wormley.
And once again; so what if those surface atmospherics are acting kind
of gassy superfluid, mostly comprised of hot and relatively dry CO2.
(perhaps these perpetual naysayers are planning on only going to those
Goldilocks approved planets of Eden so that they can frolic in the
nude, which kind of eliminates Venus). However, if some of the water
on Earth came from icy comets or perhaps from encountering an icy
proto-moon (aka Selene), then perhaps once upon a time Venus got its
fair share.
You folks do realize that any hot and dry surface environment is
actually representing kind of an inert one, especially if the level of
O2 is minimal, and the only local teratonnes of acidic water are those
kept primarily within them terrific clouds that can be safely and
efficiently tapped for as much pure water on demand as you’d like.
Obviously numerous geothermal vents and active volcanic outflows would
contain new elements of O2 and H2 that shouldn’t have any problems
emerging as H2O (aka live steam along with multiple other raw
metallicity elements) plus lots of other atmospheric gas/vapor worthy
elements, but just like here on Earth, those new geothermal vented
elements can easily be identified, quantified and if need be avoided
and/or technically utilized.
Again: “Solar Powered Flight on Venus”
they damn well please).
Once again, this is just what we all need is having to feed yet
another 14,000 spendy cloak and dagger positions of mostly public
funded FUD-masters and their stealth infrastructure plus collateral
damage to pay for, not to mention our having to pay for whatever
agency mistakes and cover-thy-butt expenses. I'm certain the
Rothschilds and all the public funded ZNR/GOP redneck oligarchs don't
seem to mind spending our hard earn loot on any of this one bit. Good
thing we can always count on our NASA for having absolutely everything
under control, as always knowing best on how to get the most bang per
dollar. (isn’t that what K12s and the rest of us adults are all
supposed to think?)
BTW; just for others being a good investigative and open minded
sport, this request is to see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything within the following image that doesn’t quite look
of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or reaffirming
scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so its
deductive interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re stumped,
then turn this over to a bunch of 5th graders as a class science
project.
Apparently any extremely nearby planet that gets to within 100
LD(Lunar Distance), such as Venus does every 19 months, and is
essentially looking as though better tidal locked to us than the sun,
as such isn't worth our mainstream bother, even though it has more
than twice the surface metallicity of Earth. Go figure, how a
perfectly shuttle and/or composite rigid airship flyable planet like
Venus remains as forever mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated. If I
were President BHO, I'd seriously consider firing the entire bunch and
restart our NASA, DARPA, DoE, Pentagon and their Analex Corporation
(aka part of Qinetiq-NA that runs our NSA, CIA and MI6) from scratch,
as creating one consolidated agency that keeps itself connected and
open to the public as much as our national security allows. Obviously
our dysfunctional FBI, ATF, Border Patrol and US Customs need to get
consolidated, because as is they’re making fools of themselves as well
as costing us lives and multiple other collateral damage.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with
it." / Max Planck
agencies haven’t let us down the wrong path and dropped their balls
more often than we care to admit, but there’s also a serious class-
action suit brewing on behalf of the intellectual and scientific
discrimination brewing against our DARPA and NASA, with regards to
their obfuscation (evidence excluding) about our physically dark moon
and the extremely nearby planet Venus, whereas the public is hereby
invited and encouraged to have a look-see at what our DARPA and NASA
have been up to, as well as pondering as to what they could have been
and should have been doing with our trust and hard earned loot.
Of course everything that either turns out badly or even looks fishy
is contracted out to some other group(s), so that NASA and DARPA each
become just the mission bus drivers.
Foremost in this topic, if you can’t deductively interpret an image,
then simply don’t bother yourself because it’s going to be impossible
to change your typically closed mindset, regardless of the independent
research and educated interpretations by others.
For the moment I’m just offering yet another friendly little
physics-101 reminder, saying that any planet with dense clouds
(especially such as those extremely robust and acidic clouds
surrounding Venus) typically accomplish a terrific job of reflecting
and/or deflecting considerably more solar energy than they manage to
absorb, allow through and otherwise manage to insulate or retain of
what little solar influx reaches the surface, and that even goes
equally for our planet, not to mention what those seriously thick,
robust and acidic (thermally conductive) atmosphere and clouds of
Venus can only manage to benefit any planet orbiting closer to the
sun, by those mostly cryogenic upper layer of clouds reflecting the
vast majority of that solar energy by each long season of day and
still allowing the solar influx plus geothermal energy via convection
and conductive transfer to essentially escape via radiating its
surplus energy away by each long season of nighttime, because there’s
simply no question that Venus is not within thermal balance when it
has been interpreted by others as upwelling considerable geothermal
energy and thus radiating on average 20.5 w/m2. This of course
interprets as though Venus is still actively cooling off.
Well below those acidic clouds is a fairly calm and thermally stable
environment that keeps everything rather toasty at 720 K (+/- 15 K),
unless you go all the way to either pole where the surface
temperatures directly below each polar vortex seldom get below 600 K
(just right for fast pressure cooking those frozen pizzas).
Even by day the upper third of those clouds (above 62 km) are kept
well below freezing, and by season of nighttime it’s the upper two
thirds that’s going cryogenic. So that’s hardly representing any
significant “greenhouse” that’s unable to sufficiently reflect solar
influx, nor are such acidic clouds sufficiently insulative in order to
stop the combined or composite thermal outflux.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_1.html
“The images show the temperature of the cloud tops at about 65 km
(40.4 miles) altitude. A darker region corresponds to higher
temperature and thus lower altitude. The center of the vortex, at a
temperature of about 250K (around minus 9.7 degrees Fahrenheit), is
the deepest zone, exhibiting the highest temperature. (Credit: ESA/
VIRTIS/INAF-IASF/Obs. de Paris-LESIA)”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110927171052.htm
Problem is, clearly some/most of us here in Usenet/newsgroups (a
public media gauntlet of perpetual naysay and denial that’s mostly
populated by a collective of imposters and/or FUD-masters that get to
do as they please) that like to parrot their mainstream status-quo
mantra by continually spewing their public-funded infomercials and
otherwise time spent fooling or clowning around and obviously wasting
precious public funded time, talent and resources while pretending at
always being so Atheist wise, politically independent and all-knowing
by way of parroting and hyping their mainstream infomercials, thus
always representing the politically correct and faith-based approved
mindset that’s usually closed to revisions or allowing any change, as
though only they have been representing the one and only good side of
each and every mainstream status-quo topic or argument. Of course
that’s also what the likes of Hitler, GW Bush, Dick Cheney and
Kissinger always thought and/or insisted upon, and long before then it
was those Romans that supposedly had been the victors and supposedly
had pretty much everything going for themselves at the expense and
demise of others represented mostly by the lower 99.9% caste. It’s
also somewhat like the analogy of stepping out of an airplane without
a parachute, whereas everything seems perfectly fine and dandy up
until the hard landing, and right about now our dysfunctional NASA
that’s looking at a serious balloon payment coming due for their
previous refinancing and near zero return on investment, kinda needs a
darn good parachute that’ll represent a solid technological
advancement and discovery payback kind of win-win for humanity that’s
every bit as good or actually a whole lot better than walking on the
moon. At least that is what I believe our physically dark moon and
the extremely nearby planet Venus each have to offer, is a private and
commercial free-enterprise expansion of our human race in order to
survive the near future that’s getting downright spendy and somewhat
testy, whereas if we must remain terrestrial sequestered is only going
to become a little worse than merely testy without significant changes
to the ways and means that some of us think is perfectly okay as is.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
On Sep 3, 1:05 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/3/11 1:05 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> > If you don't believe in those pesky regular laws of physics, nor
> > accept the best available science and applied technology that can be
> > independently replicated, then by all means the extremely nearby
> > planet Venus is not for you or any other mainstream dumbfounded
> > Goldilocks.
>
> Scientists Perceive NASA Bias Against Venus
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-...
>
> "Venus would seem to be a tempting destination for planetary probes:
> conveniently close, and an extreme laboratory for atmospheric processes
> familiar on Earth. So why won't NASA send a mission there? That was the
> frustrated question coming from scientists at the annual meeting of
> NASA's Venus Exploration Analysis Group (VEXAG) near Washington, D.C.,
> on August 30-31. They perceive an agency bias against Venus, a planet
> that hasn't seen a U.S. mission since the Magellan probe radar-mapped
> its shrouded surface in the early 1990s, and which won't see one any
> time soon, after NASA this year rejected a bumper crop of Venus
> proposals. [Slide Show: 8 of the Most Extreme Places in the Solar System]
>
> "A lot of us are dismayed," says David Grinspoon, astrobiology curator
> at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science in Colorado, who is a
> co-investigator on several of the proposals. Some of the reasons for the
> planet's neglect are obvious: surface temperatures that would melt lead
> and thick clouds of sulfuric acid make data gathering a challenge for
> landers and orbiters alike. And unlike Mars Venus is neither a plausible
> haven for life nor a potential destination for astronauts.
>
> "But Grinspoon says that something more insidious is at work. Without
> new missions supplying data for analysis, funding for Venus research has
> dwindled, leading to fewer students entering the field and a smaller
> constituency to lobby for missions. "Because of this feedback loop, the
> community has shrunk," he says. Research grants mentioning Venus have
> accounted for just 2 percent of NASA's planetary-science funding since
> 2005".
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-nasa
Thanks for having provided that topic related news link, which only
goes to show that I'm not the only soul on Earth that's pulling at our
NASA strings and pushing those "Do-Not-Push" buttons of our mainstream
status quo that’s doing everything it can in order to avoid our moon
and the planet Venus. This kind of news doesn't mean that I have to
agree with each and every interpretation or scientific motivation by
Grinspoon, but at least many if not most of his investigative interest
are perfectly honest, well enough founded and should be given some
public support. Obviously any official vote for another Venus mission
is also a vote for “Guth Venus”, so that’s kind of a big problem for
our dysfunctional NASA that clearly dropped the ball as of our
Magellan mission which enabled us to clearly see whatever Venus had to
offer (though be it at a low resolution that offered us a look-see at
only large scale items), whereas my research is only regarding such
large scale items and the physics and/or logic as to how such could
even exist within that pressure cooker environment.
There’s actually any number of existing ideas and notions as to how
and when intelligent other life created complex geometric items of
such large scale, although as of nowadays it’s technically possible
for visiting ETs (such as us supposedly intelligent humans) to deal
with that pressure cooker environment, not that it’ll ever become
another Goldilocks kind of naked compatible Eden unless artificially
terraformed and thereby forced by way of natural plus unnatural means
of cooling off. Of course you’d need a very substantially reflective
layer of clouds by day in order to fend off most of that 2650 w/m2 of
solar influx, and ideally some nighttime clearing of clouds or that of
a very thermally conductive atmosphere along with clouds in order to
get rid of all that solar influx (kind of like what Venus currently
has going for itself).
Here's that same old original boring monochrome and cloudless GIF
composite radar obtained image file (as raw and not having been
enlargement processed) that our mainstream status-quo has been so
deathly afraid others (including K12s) might actually look at and
interpret for themselves:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Without even downloading this public GIF monochrome image, you can
still screen zoom-in on the small area in question (of somewhat less
than 10% of the composite FOV), so as to keeping the raw 1:1 pixel
format and its rather limited resolution of 225 meters/pixel, and
thereby have yourself a perfectly good look-see at interpreting
whatever that sort of 225 meter per pixel resolution has to offer.
Here’s one of my basic 10:1 resampled enlargements, of the very same
small area of “Guth Venus” that I’ve pointed out to our NASA and
others of their Magellan team for more than the past decade, that’s
still offering a clean generic composite derivative like their
original (at least my research methology can be easily reversed and
independently replicated to suit any degree of potential topic/author
discrediting or assassination:
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
If you’d care to focus on interpreting anything specific, please go
right ahead and do so, because I’m not absolutely certain that my
deductive interpretation of what the image depicts is offering the
best or only observationology option.
There are methods of safely exploring and even for eventually
developing commercial applications for exploiting the planet Venus.
Of course a whole nearby planet like Venus is technically worth many
trillions in profit per year, and as far as I can tell there’s simply
no valid technical reasons as to why it and our trusty old moon can’t
be privately and commercially exploited for their unusually high
metallicity plus multiple other valuables.
Solar Powered Flight on Venus
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
public funded but remain off-grid, so as the regular books do not make
them appear as any official agency or extension of our government
(kind of like their Federal Reserve that gets to operate as they
please). Just what we all need is yet another 14,000 spendy cloak and
dagger positions of FUD-masters and their spendy stealth
please). Just what we all need is yet another 14,000 spendy cloak and
infrastructure to pay for, not to mention our having to pay for
whatever mistakes and cover-thy-butt expenses, though I'm certain the
Rothschilds and all the public funded ZNR/GOP redneck oligarchs really
don't mind spending our hard earn loot on any of this, not one bit.
The ongoing mainstream scientific discrimination against exploiting
our moon or Venus is entirely uncalled for, but never the less it’s a
well published matter of fact that anything proposed for commercially
or privately dealing with our moon or the extremely nearby planet
Venus is getting intentionally banished or systematically excluded by
those individuals of power and authority well above that of any
Presidential authority, that do not want myself or anyone else
getting an ounce of credit or any mention, is fairly obvious, because
they’d much rather higher the likes of secretive contracted services
like Qinetiq, or simply stick with their usual cabal of insiders that
already know how the game is played.
"Scientists Perceive NASA Bias Against Venus”
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-nasa
“Venus scientists fear neglect”
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110902/full/477145a.html
So, what's your personal take on this "NASA Bias Against Venus"?
“Venus is of less interest than Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto
and Asteroids. It's not like we can send a probe to the surface and
rover around or make optical photographs from orbit.” / Sam Wormley
Clearly there’s some of us that can’t hardly think inside the
mainstream box, much less even peek a little outside their cozy box,
and devout insiders that are usually public-funded and always strictly
compartmentalized plus clearly not permitted by policy to think at all
unless it’s within their less than 0.1% narrow expertise as to
physics, science and applied technology. So what may we ask is the
less than 0.1% narrow expertise or specialty (other than resident
parrot) of Sam Wormley.
And once again; so what if those surface atmospherics are acting kind
of gassy superfluid, mostly comprised of hot and relatively dry CO2.
(perhaps these perpetual naysayers are planning on only going to those
Goldilocks approved planets of Eden so that they can frolic in the
nude, which kind of eliminates Venus). However, if some of the water
on Earth came from icy comets or perhaps from encountering an icy
proto-moon (aka Selene), then perhaps once upon a time Venus got its
fair share.
You folks do realize that any hot and dry surface environment is
actually representing kind of an inert one, especially if the level of
O2 is minimal, and the only local teratonnes of acidic water are those
kept primarily within them terrific clouds that can be safely and
efficiently tapped for as much pure water on demand as you’d like.
Obviously numerous geothermal vents and active volcanic outflows would
contain new elements of O2 and H2 that shouldn’t have any problems
emerging as H2O (aka live steam along with multiple other raw
metallicity elements) plus lots of other atmospheric gas/vapor worthy
elements, but just like here on Earth, those new geothermal vented
elements can easily be identified, quantified and if need be avoided
and/or technically utilized.
Again: “Solar Powered Flight on Venus”
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
and little old me) As of 2010 they employ near 14,000 and they are
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
mostly public funded but remain off the regular books so that it
doesn’t appear as any official agency or extension of our government
(kind of like the oligarch Federal Reserve that gets to operate as
doesn’t appear as any official agency or extension of our government
they damn well please).
Once again, this is just what we all need is having to feed yet
another 14,000 spendy cloak and dagger positions of mostly public
funded FUD-masters and their stealth infrastructure plus collateral
damage to pay for, not to mention our having to pay for whatever
agency mistakes and cover-thy-butt expenses. I'm certain the
Rothschilds and all the public funded ZNR/GOP redneck oligarchs don't
seem to mind spending our hard earn loot on any of this one bit. Good
thing we can always count on our NASA for having absolutely everything
under control, as always knowing best on how to get the most bang per
dollar. (isn’t that what K12s and the rest of us adults are all
supposed to think?)
BTW; just for others being a good investigative and open minded
sport, this request is to see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything within the following image that doesn’t quite look
as though the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely
responsible. (try to always remember that the original image is that
of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or reaffirming
scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so its
deductive interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re stumped,
then turn this over to a bunch of 5th graders as a class science
project.
Apparently any extremely nearby planet that gets to within 100
LD(Lunar Distance), such as Venus does every 19 months, and is
essentially looking as though better tidal locked to us than the sun,
as such isn't worth our mainstream bother, even though it has more
than twice the surface metallicity of Earth. Go figure, how a
perfectly shuttle and/or composite rigid airship flyable planet like
Venus remains as forever mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated. If I
were President BHO, I'd seriously consider firing the entire bunch and
restart our NASA, DARPA, DoE, Pentagon and their Analex Corporation
(aka part of Qinetiq-NA that runs our NSA, CIA and MI6) from scratch,
as creating one consolidated agency that keeps itself connected and
open to the public as much as our national security allows. Obviously
our dysfunctional FBI, ATF, Border Patrol and US Customs need to get
consolidated, because as is they’re making fools of themselves as well
as costing us lives and multiple other collateral damage.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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Venus might as well be considered an exoplanet, that’s not only too
far away but otherwise strictly forbidden or mainstream taboo/
nondisclosure rated (at least that’s what our resident FUD-masters
would prefer). However, once you have evolved or having adapted with
IR visual sensitivity, even the nighttime season on Venus becomes
nearly as bright as day. This is still not saying that Venusian
Goldilocks get to frolic about outside in the nude.
The seemingly intentional quarry, moving and arranging of big rocks
might tend to suggest great strength and resolve on behalf of such
usage of rock as having been cut, designed and engineered to suit, as
Thumbnail images, including the mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
Of course those quarry operations and moving of really big rocks on
still extremely hot (though relatively dry and inert).
Unlike the naked surface of our physically dark moon that’s of a
mostly thick crusted kind of fused basalt, as having sufficient
metallicity of magnetic susceptibility as to being highly
paramagnetic, which also gets direct cosmic and solar wind blasted as
well as getting roasted by day plus cryogenic traumatized by night and
always physically pulverized to death by everything it runs into,
minimized, as well as the toasty environment below those highly
demand all that much energy to offset 450 K, whereas only .44 w/m2 is
necessary if you wanted a 300 K interior. Even a few extra meters of
going to be problematic, such as the geothermal interior of Venus).
Of course you can always pretend that the one and only intelligence in
the universe that counts is stuck right here on Earth, and therefore
anything that looks the least bit complex infrastructure worthy about
Venus can be safely naysay and thought of as just highly unusual
geology that accomplishes weird stuff that’s unheard of and somewhat
above all others.
Oops, I sort of got myself into my old cranky manifesto, as thinking
those of authority have been taking us lower 99.9% to the cleaners,
and that it’s directly because of their faith-based and/or political
policies of self preservation is why we haven’t accomplished anything
with our moon or Venus. No doubt the top priority of their FUD-
masters is to keep the rest of us as village idiots full of “Fear,
Uncertainty and Doubt”, so that we don’t bother to consider anything
about our moon or Venus as ever humanly viable. In other words, we’re
supposed to forget about physics, science and technology that could
make most any environment (hot or cold, vacuum or pressure) into a
perfectly survivable situation, not to mention whatever a little
genetic engineering plus biological and physiological modifications to
suit could manage.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_S...
far away but otherwise strictly forbidden or mainstream taboo/
nondisclosure rated (at least that’s what our resident FUD-masters
would prefer). However, once you have evolved or having adapted with
IR visual sensitivity, even the nighttime season on Venus becomes
nearly as bright as day. This is still not saying that Venusian
Goldilocks get to frolic about outside in the nude.
The seemingly intentional quarry, moving and arranging of big rocks
might tend to suggest great strength and resolve on behalf of such
usage of rock as having been cut, designed and engineered to suit, as
offering some intelligent degree of rational function that’s most
likely habitat and survival related. For example, those clearly side
by side and multiple rectangular quarry sites on Venus many offer a
perfectly deductive indication as to where some of their basic
construction materials came from. (as well as no sense going any
likely habitat and survival related. For example, those clearly side
by side and multiple rectangular quarry sites on Venus many offer a
perfectly deductive indication as to where some of their basic
Thumbnail images, including the mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
Of course those quarry operations and moving of really big rocks on
such a unique planet as Venus is extremely simple and efficient when
you’ve got unlimited local energy that’s clean and renewable, only
90.5% gravity and a whopping 65 kg/m3 of atmospheric buoyancy to work
with. However, at best Venus is not going to represent any Avatar
Pandora nor like any other kind of science fiction depicted planet or
moon of forbidden nature, at least not to most of us, because it’s
you’ve got unlimited local energy that’s clean and renewable, only
90.5% gravity and a whopping 65 kg/m3 of atmospheric buoyancy to work
with. However, at best Venus is not going to represent any Avatar
Pandora nor like any other kind of science fiction depicted planet or
still extremely hot (though relatively dry and inert).
Unlike the naked surface of our physically dark moon that’s of a
metallicity of magnetic susceptibility as to being highly
paramagnetic, which also gets direct cosmic and solar wind blasted as
well as getting roasted by day plus cryogenic traumatized by night and
always physically pulverized to death by everything it runs into,
whereas the kind of newish reformed surface of Venus is rather nicely
protected from the influx of such potentially devastating elements
such as solar and cosmic radiation and even direct physical trauma is
protected from the influx of such potentially devastating elements
minimized, as well as the toasty environment below those highly
protective clouds is relatively uniform and calm unless your composite
rigid airship is going directly over a geothermal vent.
From what little I know of thermal insulation and refrigeration or air
conditioning, it doesn’t take much rock to fabricate into well
rigid airship is going directly over a geothermal vent.
From what little I know of thermal insulation and refrigeration or air
insulated structures, especially when common basalt can be so easily
processed into terrific fibers and micro-spheres or milli-spheres that
can achieve R-1024/meter as offering a thermal insulation barrier
coefficient transfer of .0009765 watt per meter per K of whatever
thermal differential you’d care to achieve, simply isn’t going to
processed into terrific fibers and micro-spheres or milli-spheres that
can achieve R-1024/meter as offering a thermal insulation barrier
coefficient transfer of .0009765 watt per meter per K of whatever
demand all that much energy to offset 450 K, whereas only .44 w/m2 is
necessary if you wanted a 300 K interior. Even a few extra meters of
solid rock is perfectly capable of fending off huge amounts of thermal
energy (unless whatever’s inside is hotter than outside is obviously
going to be problematic, such as the geothermal interior of Venus).
Of course you can always pretend that the one and only intelligence in
the universe that counts is stuck right here on Earth, and therefore
anything that looks the least bit complex infrastructure worthy about
geology that accomplishes weird stuff that’s unheard of and somewhat
beyond the known laws of physics, just like we can keep pretending
that Muslims always had those WMD and that our government with their
vast array of agencies that so often get to do as they please, had
absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with causing 9/11 or the systemic
demise of our investments, job security and global inflation that
hurts the lower 99.9% at least ten fold worse than it hurts the upper
most 0.1% that always get and/or simply take whatever compensations as
well as receiving public bailout loot to suit their personal needs
absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with causing 9/11 or the systemic
demise of our investments, job security and global inflation that
hurts the lower 99.9% at least ten fold worse than it hurts the upper
most 0.1% that always get and/or simply take whatever compensations as
above all others.
Oops, I sort of got myself into my old cranky manifesto, as thinking
those of authority have been taking us lower 99.9% to the cleaners,
and that it’s directly because of their faith-based and/or political
policies of self preservation is why we haven’t accomplished anything
with our moon or Venus. No doubt the top priority of their FUD-
masters is to keep the rest of us as village idiots full of “Fear,
Uncertainty and Doubt”, so that we don’t bother to consider anything
about our moon or Venus as ever humanly viable. In other words, we’re
supposed to forget about physics, science and technology that could
make most any environment (hot or cold, vacuum or pressure) into a
perfectly survivable situation, not to mention whatever a little
genetic engineering plus biological and physiological modifications to
suit could manage.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
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“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
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On Jan 4, 10:55 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here’s yet another enterprising alternative as to avoiding the
> geothermally hot and nasty surface of Venus, as representing a kind of
> upper atmospheric home away from home, based entirely on buoyancy.
> There have actually been many such floating city notions, so this one
> by Dave Dietzler isn’t entirely original, and even William Mook (our
> resident wizard of everything under the sun) highly approves of this
> method.
>
> How to Do Venus / Building those Surreal Estates of Venus
> http://www.moonminer.com/Venus.html
>
> Solar Powered Flight on Venus
> http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
> - and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
> http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm(Qinetiq-NA is yet another
> geothermally hot and nasty surface of Venus, as representing a kind of
> upper atmospheric home away from home, based entirely on buoyancy.
> There have actually been many such floating city notions, so this one
> by Dave Dietzler isn’t entirely original, and even William Mook (our
> resident wizard of everything under the sun) highly approves of this
> method.
>
> How to Do Venus / Building those Surreal Estates of Venus
> http://www.moonminer.com/Venus.html
>
> Solar Powered Flight on Venus
> http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
> - and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
G=EMC^2
Jan 10, 2012, 5:37:37 AM1/10/12
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Venus Hottest planet .So hot tin and lead in liquid. Thick atmosphere
blocks out its surface. Why does it spin so slow? TreBert
Brad Guth
Jan 10, 2012, 1:47:22 PM1/10/12
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On Jan 10, 2:37 am, "G=EMC^2" <herbertglazi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Venus Hottest planet .So hot tin and lead in liquid. Thick atmosphere
> blocks out its surface. Why does it spin so slow? TreBert
That's a darn good question, because it should be spinning at the very
>
> Venus Hottest planet .So hot tin and lead in liquid. Thick atmosphere
> blocks out its surface. Why does it spin so slow? TreBert
absolute least ten fold faster, and perhaps the only significant
reason why it is so freaking hot is because of what heavy metallicity
(most likely thorium) is fission heating itself from within, plus
naturally insulating itself with that terrific reflective cloud
covered atmosphere that effectively blocks out most of the solar
influx from ever reaching the geothermally heated surface that's
giving off 20.5 w/m2.
Venus has been acting kind of geologically newish and as though it was
captured instead of created at the same time and from the very same
sun as having produced Mercury, Earth and Mars.
saul...@cox.net
Jan 10, 2012, 4:26:05 PM1/10/12
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FUCKING KOOK, AND A VILLAGE IDIOT TO BOOT!
Saul Levy
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:47:22 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>That's a darn good question, because it should be spinning at the very
>absolute least ten fold faster, and perhaps the only significant
>reason why it is so freaking hot is because of what heavy metallicity
>(most likely thorium) is fission heating itself from within, plus
>naturally insulating itself with that terrific reflective cloud
>covered atmosphere that effectively blocks out most of the solar
>influx from ever reaching the geothermally heated surface that's
>giving off 20.5 w/m2.
>
>Venus has been acting kind of geologically newish and as though it was
>captured instead of created at the same time and from the very same
>sun as having produced Mercury, Earth and Mars.
>
> Brad Guth, I AM AN INBRED VILLAGE IDIOT!
Saul Levy
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:47:22 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>That's a darn good question, because it should be spinning at the very
>absolute least ten fold faster, and perhaps the only significant
>reason why it is so freaking hot is because of what heavy metallicity
>(most likely thorium) is fission heating itself from within, plus
>naturally insulating itself with that terrific reflective cloud
>covered atmosphere that effectively blocks out most of the solar
>influx from ever reaching the geothermally heated surface that's
>giving off 20.5 w/m2.
>
>Venus has been acting kind of geologically newish and as though it was
>captured instead of created at the same time and from the very same
>sun as having produced Mercury, Earth and Mars.
>
Brad Guth
Jan 12, 2012, 7:45:18 AM1/12/12
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On Jan 10, 10:43 am, "Carl Sagan's billions" <mm2te...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> The probability that we are alone in our universe may be lower than
> 1/200 billion. The probability that we are alone in our own galaxy may
> be lower than 1/billion. Of course these numbers are a good
> start for a discussion.
>
> With 200 billion galaxies, each with over 100 billion stars, there
> are
> roughly 20,000 billion billion stars in the visible universe.
>
> That is 20,000 - 000,000,000 - 000,000,000 stars.
>
> Assume each galaxy has at least one planet with intelligent life on
> it
> (at our level or better) (this is a very very conservative estimate)
> then there are 200, 000,000,000 civilizations in the visible
> universe.
>
> How many of these would be 1 million or 10 million or 100 million
> years ahead of us, assuming the universe is approximately 15 billion
> years old and 100 million years is only 0.66% of this timespan?
>
> 100 million years is only 0.66% of the total timespan!
>
> So it is easy to contemplate that there can be millions of those
> civilizations 1% or 1 or 10 million years or more ahead of us. Of
> course, out of the 200 billion civilizations 99% or more may have
> become extinct. So if we assume that 1% avoided destruction, that
> still leaves 2 billion civilizations that survived, colonized other
> galaxies
> and/or are still travelling for millions of years.
>
> The diameter of our galaxy is approximately 100,000 light years.
> Assuming some are in galaxies over 1 billion light years away from
> our Milky Way galaxy, then if they travelled e.g. in cryogenic
> state for over 500 million years at the speed of light, they still
> would not have reached us. This assumes that speed of light is the
> upper limit.
>
> In a nutshell, the numbers are so large, even if you multiply a very
> low probability factor times a huge number you will get a sizable
> number. And I think that that probability factor is not that
> small, but much higher than one advanced planet per galaxy of
> 100 billion stars.
>
> That means we are not alone in our own galaxy with its
> 200-500 billion stars. If I assume one 'more-advanced'
> civilization per 10 million stars, there would be 20,000 - 50,000
> of such 'more-advanced' civilizations in our own galaxy.
>
> Of course, all these numbers are wild guesses/speculation but
> it is an illustration of the fact that when we talk about our galaxy
> and our visible universe the numbers are 'astronomically' huge.
>
> As the numbers are so huge, Carl Sagan's billions and billions,
> I believe that most galaxies have many millions of habitable
> planets with life.
>
> If you asked me to guess how many 'more-advanced' civilizations
> there are in our own Milky Way, I would say many more than 20,000.
>
> If you asked me why 'they' have not contacted us, I would say I
> really don't know, maybe we are not advanced enough - yet.
This is actually a very good topic, and thus far you haven't started
off with any social/political agendas or anything faith-based skewed
that would get yourself topic/author stalked and bashed regardless of
your interpretations as to the best available science or whatever
honest intentions. Pretending that politics and religion hasn’t
messed things up is perhaps the only failsafe way of getting your
topic into the K-12s that for the most part are forbidden to know
about or much less read Usenet/newsgroups.
I'll start off with your last or closing paragraph/sentence.
“If you asked me why 'they' have not contacted us, I would say I
really don't know, maybe we are not advanced enough - yet.”
We supposedly intelligent humans haven't been all that capable of
detecting any ET microwave signals except for the very last 0.1% of
our most recent 50,000 year existence, and of course our supposed
intelligence that would have been of any interest to whatever ETs goes
way back much further than 50,000 years. I think our scientists would
be extremely pleased if we’d discovered an exoplanet with whatever
humanoids as having developed only to our primitive intelligence level
as of a million years ago, because that would be extremely valuable to
realize that another planet could have evolved with complex forms of
carbon based life similar to us.
Therefore, of the last 50 years we might have stood only an extremely
slim chance of intercepting ET messages or simply spotting whatever ET
beacons. However, considering the possible directions to be looking,
and vast distances involved would make the odds greatly against our
intercepting any given packet of ET signals or even spotting those
simple beacons, even if those ETs had been doing all they possibly
could to get our attention because, thus far Earth is just another
insignificant cosmic flash in the pan (so to speak), as in here today
and gone tomorrow in terms of any realistic cosmic time-scales.
There's actually much more to this, but instead of contributing more
than the average 5th grader can hope to deal with, it's best to take
this topic one easy step at a time.
-
If we're given a plausible number, such as 1e12 stars per galaxy
(including red dwarfs that represent the vast majority of stars), and
given a potential of 1e12 such galaxies is offering a grand universe
total of 1e24.
Supposedly our galaxy produces between 10 and 100 new stars per year
(“A galaxy producing 100 new stars per year has been spotted” and yet
another M105 has been “estimated that stars must be forming in this
galaxy at the rate of 10-4 M◉ per year”)
http://starburstfound.org/sqkblog/?p=210
Most of those ten thousand new stars of M105 per year being nearly
similar or smaller than our sun, and likely having somewhat greater
metallicity as cosmic time and stellar generations of evolution
marches on, and if other galaxies were at all similar in giving such a
number of stellar births per year (say averaging only 10 per year like
our Milky Way) is certainly going to be downright impressive if we’re
taking the full13.7e9 years into account, or even starting as of 1e10
years worth of creating new stars (most w/planets) is 1e11 new stars
just for our galaxy.
Now, if only 0.1% of those 1e12 original plus newer stars host a
viable Goldilocks worthy solar system with any suitable forms of
complex life sustaining planets and/or large enough moons of a
suitable gas giant or brown dwarf, as such is still going to become a
very impressive number of 1e9 Goldilocks approved planets.
By now and just keeping within our galaxy is probably offering 5e12
wandering/rogue planets, planetoids and their moons that were set free
due to the main sequence of their star turning into a white dwarf, and
thus having lost its original tidal binding force necessary for
sustaining each of their original solar systems. Once again at using
just 0.1% is 5e9, so there's certainly no shortage of planets or even
gas giants (aka brown dwarfs) with Earth sized moons that technically
could be doing perfectly fine and dandy without their sun, that is as
long as their kind of intelligence didn’t include the sorts of morons
represented here in our public Usenet/newsgroup.
At 6e9 highly probable Earths or worthy enough Edens within our
galaxy, it's rather hard to imagine that our Earth is such an isolated
nor such a unique kind of Eden world that hasn't been duplicated for
better or worse elsewhere, and if applied physics and good technology
is given any say, means that several planets and/or moons within a
given solar system could be easily enough adapted to, even for
accommodating the likes of our own supposed intelligent life that has
more imperfections and less morals than GW Bush, Dick Cheney,
Kissinger and Martha Stewart combined.
-
Wherever there’s any rocky/crust covered planet, planetoid or moon,
there’s a good chance that some kind of complex life formed and may
have evolved further than most are willing to imagine.
“The probability that we are alone in our universe may be lower than
1/200 billion” may actually be as good as 1/1e6 (one in a million),
and with 6e12 possibilities to pick from = 6e6 potential other Edens
and perhaps upwards of 6e9 others which we could technically adapt
ourselves to, in spite of their environments being unfavorable, seems
rather good odds as long as this other off-world complex life doesn’t
need to be limited as to whatever we consider as intelligence worthy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16515944
“Every star twinkling in the night sky plays host to at least one
planet, a new study suggests.”
This is a highly understandable and perfectly deductive
interpretation, because all stars have to spin off their excess of
metallicity in order to properly form a fusion worthy star that isn’t
unstable. This seems especially necessary of the newer stellar
generations from molecular/nebula clouds that simply have more
metallicity to offer. The very first stars likely had few if any
planets because there was initially so little if any metallicity to
get rid of, whereas instead only gas giants, brown dwarfs and a few
red dwarfs might have been produced along with a few binary or trinary
star systems of full fledged main sequence stars also w/o planets.
However, the second and third generation of stars are not going to be
so metallicity deficient, and there’s really no telling if fourth and
possibly fifth generation main sequence stars are not of the majority,
because the first generation of stars w/o planets probably didn’t last
more than a few million years.
Even a much closer look-see and perfectly deductive interpretation on
behalf of re-evaluating the extremely nearby planet Venus (aka Guth
Venus) can become a real honest to God possibility. Unfortunately,
you’ll first need the ability to block out or reject most of whatever
your K-12 and other mainstream indoctrination has always had to say
about Venus, and most of you can’t do that out of fear of being
rejected by others of your own kind, as well as having to take flack
from those here that’ll topic/author stalk in order to bash and/or
discredit anyone that tries to keep an open mind as to deductively
interpreting a given image for the possibility of discovering other
intelligent life. Of course, GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Kissinger and
Hitler did pretty much the same thing to anyone that opposed their
will, so you might not have what it takes for going up against such
mainstream authority.
wrote:
> The probability that we are alone in our universe may be lower than
> 1/200 billion. The probability that we are alone in our own galaxy may
> be lower than 1/billion. Of course these numbers are a good
> start for a discussion.
>
> With 200 billion galaxies, each with over 100 billion stars, there
> are
> roughly 20,000 billion billion stars in the visible universe.
>
> That is 20,000 - 000,000,000 - 000,000,000 stars.
>
> Assume each galaxy has at least one planet with intelligent life on
> it
> (at our level or better) (this is a very very conservative estimate)
> then there are 200, 000,000,000 civilizations in the visible
> universe.
>
> How many of these would be 1 million or 10 million or 100 million
> years ahead of us, assuming the universe is approximately 15 billion
> years old and 100 million years is only 0.66% of this timespan?
>
> 100 million years is only 0.66% of the total timespan!
>
> So it is easy to contemplate that there can be millions of those
> civilizations 1% or 1 or 10 million years or more ahead of us. Of
> course, out of the 200 billion civilizations 99% or more may have
> become extinct. So if we assume that 1% avoided destruction, that
> still leaves 2 billion civilizations that survived, colonized other
> galaxies
> and/or are still travelling for millions of years.
>
> The diameter of our galaxy is approximately 100,000 light years.
> Assuming some are in galaxies over 1 billion light years away from
> our Milky Way galaxy, then if they travelled e.g. in cryogenic
> state for over 500 million years at the speed of light, they still
> would not have reached us. This assumes that speed of light is the
> upper limit.
>
> In a nutshell, the numbers are so large, even if you multiply a very
> low probability factor times a huge number you will get a sizable
> number. And I think that that probability factor is not that
> small, but much higher than one advanced planet per galaxy of
> 100 billion stars.
>
> That means we are not alone in our own galaxy with its
> 200-500 billion stars. If I assume one 'more-advanced'
> civilization per 10 million stars, there would be 20,000 - 50,000
> of such 'more-advanced' civilizations in our own galaxy.
>
> Of course, all these numbers are wild guesses/speculation but
> it is an illustration of the fact that when we talk about our galaxy
> and our visible universe the numbers are 'astronomically' huge.
>
> As the numbers are so huge, Carl Sagan's billions and billions,
> I believe that most galaxies have many millions of habitable
> planets with life.
>
> If you asked me to guess how many 'more-advanced' civilizations
> there are in our own Milky Way, I would say many more than 20,000.
>
> If you asked me why 'they' have not contacted us, I would say I
> really don't know, maybe we are not advanced enough - yet.
This is actually a very good topic, and thus far you haven't started
off with any social/political agendas or anything faith-based skewed
that would get yourself topic/author stalked and bashed regardless of
your interpretations as to the best available science or whatever
honest intentions. Pretending that politics and religion hasn’t
messed things up is perhaps the only failsafe way of getting your
topic into the K-12s that for the most part are forbidden to know
about or much less read Usenet/newsgroups.
I'll start off with your last or closing paragraph/sentence.
“If you asked me why 'they' have not contacted us, I would say I
really don't know, maybe we are not advanced enough - yet.”
We supposedly intelligent humans haven't been all that capable of
detecting any ET microwave signals except for the very last 0.1% of
our most recent 50,000 year existence, and of course our supposed
intelligence that would have been of any interest to whatever ETs goes
way back much further than 50,000 years. I think our scientists would
be extremely pleased if we’d discovered an exoplanet with whatever
humanoids as having developed only to our primitive intelligence level
as of a million years ago, because that would be extremely valuable to
realize that another planet could have evolved with complex forms of
carbon based life similar to us.
Therefore, of the last 50 years we might have stood only an extremely
slim chance of intercepting ET messages or simply spotting whatever ET
beacons. However, considering the possible directions to be looking,
and vast distances involved would make the odds greatly against our
intercepting any given packet of ET signals or even spotting those
simple beacons, even if those ETs had been doing all they possibly
could to get our attention because, thus far Earth is just another
insignificant cosmic flash in the pan (so to speak), as in here today
and gone tomorrow in terms of any realistic cosmic time-scales.
There's actually much more to this, but instead of contributing more
than the average 5th grader can hope to deal with, it's best to take
this topic one easy step at a time.
-
If we're given a plausible number, such as 1e12 stars per galaxy
(including red dwarfs that represent the vast majority of stars), and
given a potential of 1e12 such galaxies is offering a grand universe
total of 1e24.
Supposedly our galaxy produces between 10 and 100 new stars per year
(“A galaxy producing 100 new stars per year has been spotted” and yet
another M105 has been “estimated that stars must be forming in this
galaxy at the rate of 10-4 M◉ per year”)
http://starburstfound.org/sqkblog/?p=210
Most of those ten thousand new stars of M105 per year being nearly
similar or smaller than our sun, and likely having somewhat greater
metallicity as cosmic time and stellar generations of evolution
marches on, and if other galaxies were at all similar in giving such a
number of stellar births per year (say averaging only 10 per year like
our Milky Way) is certainly going to be downright impressive if we’re
taking the full13.7e9 years into account, or even starting as of 1e10
years worth of creating new stars (most w/planets) is 1e11 new stars
just for our galaxy.
Now, if only 0.1% of those 1e12 original plus newer stars host a
viable Goldilocks worthy solar system with any suitable forms of
complex life sustaining planets and/or large enough moons of a
suitable gas giant or brown dwarf, as such is still going to become a
very impressive number of 1e9 Goldilocks approved planets.
By now and just keeping within our galaxy is probably offering 5e12
wandering/rogue planets, planetoids and their moons that were set free
due to the main sequence of their star turning into a white dwarf, and
thus having lost its original tidal binding force necessary for
sustaining each of their original solar systems. Once again at using
just 0.1% is 5e9, so there's certainly no shortage of planets or even
gas giants (aka brown dwarfs) with Earth sized moons that technically
could be doing perfectly fine and dandy without their sun, that is as
long as their kind of intelligence didn’t include the sorts of morons
represented here in our public Usenet/newsgroup.
At 6e9 highly probable Earths or worthy enough Edens within our
galaxy, it's rather hard to imagine that our Earth is such an isolated
nor such a unique kind of Eden world that hasn't been duplicated for
better or worse elsewhere, and if applied physics and good technology
is given any say, means that several planets and/or moons within a
given solar system could be easily enough adapted to, even for
accommodating the likes of our own supposed intelligent life that has
more imperfections and less morals than GW Bush, Dick Cheney,
Kissinger and Martha Stewart combined.
-
Wherever there’s any rocky/crust covered planet, planetoid or moon,
there’s a good chance that some kind of complex life formed and may
have evolved further than most are willing to imagine.
“The probability that we are alone in our universe may be lower than
1/200 billion” may actually be as good as 1/1e6 (one in a million),
and with 6e12 possibilities to pick from = 6e6 potential other Edens
and perhaps upwards of 6e9 others which we could technically adapt
ourselves to, in spite of their environments being unfavorable, seems
rather good odds as long as this other off-world complex life doesn’t
need to be limited as to whatever we consider as intelligence worthy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16515944
“Every star twinkling in the night sky plays host to at least one
planet, a new study suggests.”
This is a highly understandable and perfectly deductive
interpretation, because all stars have to spin off their excess of
metallicity in order to properly form a fusion worthy star that isn’t
unstable. This seems especially necessary of the newer stellar
generations from molecular/nebula clouds that simply have more
metallicity to offer. The very first stars likely had few if any
planets because there was initially so little if any metallicity to
get rid of, whereas instead only gas giants, brown dwarfs and a few
red dwarfs might have been produced along with a few binary or trinary
star systems of full fledged main sequence stars also w/o planets.
However, the second and third generation of stars are not going to be
so metallicity deficient, and there’s really no telling if fourth and
possibly fifth generation main sequence stars are not of the majority,
because the first generation of stars w/o planets probably didn’t last
more than a few million years.
Even a much closer look-see and perfectly deductive interpretation on
behalf of re-evaluating the extremely nearby planet Venus (aka Guth
Venus) can become a real honest to God possibility. Unfortunately,
you’ll first need the ability to block out or reject most of whatever
your K-12 and other mainstream indoctrination has always had to say
about Venus, and most of you can’t do that out of fear of being
rejected by others of your own kind, as well as having to take flack
from those here that’ll topic/author stalk in order to bash and/or
discredit anyone that tries to keep an open mind as to deductively
interpreting a given image for the possibility of discovering other
intelligent life. Of course, GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Kissinger and
Hitler did pretty much the same thing to anyone that opposed their
will, so you might not have what it takes for going up against such
mainstream authority.
Brad Guth
Jan 13, 2012, 1:55:07 PM1/13/12
to
such a newish kind of planetology surface environment, I’ve added a
little basic search information that even a dysfunctional preschool
child could probably accomplish on their little green laptop.
Planet C or Venus(2.0) would likely represent a tough crowd for any
stand up comedian, although it’s not actually technically
insurmountable unless you had a closed mainstream status-quo mindset
of perpetual denial, and otherwise of evidence exclusion (scientific
obfuscation form of their taking the fifth whenever any possible
history revision is in sight). Without question that planet is hot,
though not so hot as to excluding our technology from operating once
revised and/or engineered to suit.
Try a LeapFrog Search: Venus oxygen or Venus volcanoes
http://images.google.com/images?q=venus%20oxygen&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&t...
http://www.entertainmentandshowbiz.com/venus-express-searches-for-lif...
Venus Express Searches For Life On Earth
http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1584729/venus_express_searches_for...
“We see water and molecular oxygen in Earth’s atmosphere, but Venus
also shows these signatures.”
Venus Express: Zoom-in on Venus’ oxygen airglow.
http://jtintle.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/zoom-in-on-venus%E2%80%99-oxy...
“The X-rays from Venus are produced by fluorescent radiation from
oxygen and other atoms in the atmosphere between 120 and 140
kilometers above the surface of the planet.”
http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2001/venus/
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=af&u=http://kosmofysis...
“Despite the low concentration of water on Venus, so fetch and
colleagues found that the day side of the planet loses water
molecules
2e24 hydrogen nuclei (one of the two atoms of H2O ) per second.”
"We can keep the water escape from the night side of Venus. But the
question remains: How much of this water is in the past have lost
because of this phenomenon?" Says Stas Barabash, the Swedish
Institute
of Space Physics in Kiruna and Principal Investigator (PI) of
ASPERA's
observation that worked on the night side of Venus.”
http://venus-express-news.newslib.com/story/6016-3173344/
“These results from Venus Express demonstrate that the heavier water
containing deuterium has not been able to escape Venus’s gravity as
easily as normal H2O. This enrichment of heavy water provides strong
evidence that water loss is occurring in the upper atmosphere and
that
Venus was probably more humid and Earth-like in the distant past,”
said Dr Emmanuel Marcq of the LATMOS laboratory in France.”
The free h2o that isn’t locked up as thick clouds and vapors of of
sulphuric acid is only worth 25<50 ppm. However, that volume and
subsequent tonnage of acidic water vapor and upper nighttime clouds of
cryogenic ice isn’t exactly insignificant. Of course the element of
sulphuric acid can always be easily enough vacuum distilled in order
to separate and extract the pure h2o portion.
The published topics of old and new research goes on and on, though
it’s probably not offered in sufficient LeapFrog eye-candy or popup
publication format for the mentally disadvantaged, nor otherwise in
braille format for the sight impaired likes of our resident
rusemasters, FUD-masters and countless others suffering from a genetic
metallicity colorblind disorder of incurable denial and perpetual
nayism. I believe the Venus O2 science goes back nearly a couple of
decades, as credited to those having used narrow bandpass optical
filters, but having never got anything mainstream published until more
recently. Even though this Venus O2 layer is situated well above those
acidic clouds, at least this means that it’s the element of oxygen
that is in fact emerging from the planet to start off with.
Btw; not to discount those robust and fairly acidic clouds that
should easily provide at least 500 teratonnes worth of pure h2o, as
well as subsequently offering nearly unlimited amounts of O2, H2, He
and of all things nifty might have to include the makings of h2o2.
Any good 5th grade science class effort would likely prove sufficient
for this kind of a science project, because observationology is not
faith-based nor is it politically correct, it’s just pure science w/o
strings or conditional physics attached.
http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/project/virtis/venus-vol.html
“There are some 55,000 volcanoes larger than 1 km across identified
on Venus, spread over 646 volcano fields.”
http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/volcanoes/planet_volcano/venus/intro.html
“Venus has more volcanoes than any other planet in the solar
system.” Over 1600 major volcanoes or volcanic features are known
(see map), and there are so many other smaller volcanoes. (“No one
has
yet counted them all, but the total number may be over 100,000 or
even
over 1,000,000”).”
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf
Geothermal CO2+S8 gas vents, as interpreted within “An Alternate View
of Venus” by John Ackerman, and by rights this interpretation alone
should have given enough cause to those interested in learning the
truth. Would any of you folks like to review and offer your best swag
(scientific wild ass guess) as to my Guth Venus "fluid arch", or is
this perfectly natural geological item still too closely associated
with my Guth Venus township or ET outpost of all those fairly large
and complex looking structures and their major tarmac, as situated
within their perfectly rational community that’s clearly observable to
those few of us that might actually care to look?
I’ll try to have a little more to share about this nighttime
temperature, as the extremely need-to-know or nondisclosure voodoo
science that’s public-funded and so often delayed and encrypted or
nondisclosure rated eventually leaks its way out of their mainstream
cabal of perpetual denial, evidence exclusions and carefully
orchestrated deceptions, not that I don’t trust our government to
always do the right thing at least once in awhile. However, as you
can readily see by the sorts of topic/author stalking and systematic
bashings taking place (extensively in alt.astronomy), it’s still not
easy being green or honest.
In the meantime, would any of you folks care to review and offer your
best swag as to what is creating my Guth Venus "fluid arch", or is
this seemingly natural item still too closely associated with the Guth
Venus township or whatever ET outpost having all those fairly large
and complex structures along with that fairly major and complex
shaped
tarmac, as an intelligent infrastructure situated within a fairly
mountainous terrain, yet offering a perfectly rational looking
community.
At least the relatively inexpensive JAXA Planet-C mission got off to a
good start, but failed to make orbit, so in the distant future there’s
going to eventually be more science and a subsequent better
understanding as to that composite atmosphere and its unusual
thermodynamics that’s mostly geology thermodynamic driven. Our DARPA
and NASA has had SAR imaging capability of meter resolution, but
there's still no motivation for utilizing our existing bought and paid
for technology on behalf of the planet Venus, so for the moment we
simply have to continue doing without because supposedly our NASA has
better things to be doing with our hard earned loot, and apparently
decades of wasted time is never a problem.
Brad Guth
Jan 14, 2012, 9:10:43 AM1/14/12
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Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
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On Jan 12, 4:45 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Jan 14, 2012, 10:14:54 AM1/14/12
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Venus facts and what-ifs; or perhaps it’s still mostly a dark and
scary kind of secret of yet another “don’t ask and don’t tell” kind of
forbidden situation, because it seems the voodoo/taboo planet Venus is
in fact extremely proto-Earth like, except for having more metallicity
plus a whole lot more complex environment as having layers upon layers
of a highly sophisticated and even reactive atmosphere that’s entirely
different than anything you can imagine. Besides all of the usual
mainstream published data and eyecandy that we’re always supposed to
accept without doubts, fear or remorse, it seems there has been a few
other deductive science interpretations that might not be quite so
discouraging or suggesting that Venus is so insurmountable as you
might care to think, because otherwise it’s an especially doable
planet to most anyone having mastered space travel, so I guess that’s
why this automatically excludes the vast majority of us that can’t
even manage to get ourselves safely to/from our moon.
Terraforming Venus into becoming a Goldilocks approved planet isn’t an
option, although many have suggested that it should be given a try.
The interpretation by some as suggesting 1% of those total atmospheric
gases by way their volumetric density as hosting heavy or acidic water
is actually a fairly impressive notion, whereas even 0.1% of pure h2o
would certainly represent a rather serious amount considering that its
atmospheric mass of nearly 5e20 kg is simply worth so much greater
than Earth’s. However, the officially reported scale height of the
Venus atmosphere is specified as only 16 km, whereas this tired old
method represents how our mainstream science manages to exclude
whatever evidence and to otherwise obfuscate by way of their
mainstream science using only whatever selected data falls within that
first 16 km, thereby suites their motives and hidden agenda of their
intentionally not looking for factoids of any life or much less
intelligence.
Within this initial scale height of 16 km, it is in fact relatively
hot and quite seemingly crystal dry, though it’s something more
comparable to the environment of a pressure cooker and that of its dry
steam (aka superheated water), and thereby offering a mostly rocky
surface without sufficient h2o just laying around or much less falling
out of that sky (outside of seeing whatever vapors are always headed
up into those cool clouds), and therefore it’s all pretty much
chemically inert as well as reactively passive, even though there’s
also a great amount of raw S8 vapor along with mostly co2 and always
some of that unavoidable h2o that’s migrating its way up (the
thermodynamic physics norm of heat seeking cold). Even using the
second scale height that should take us up to 24 km is still
relatively hot and would be considered a relatively dry environment
that’s kind of inert because the local pressure and surrounding
temperature is still keeping it that way. However, this odd method of
using scale height doesn’t seem to work as well as intended, as for
giving us a good enough science picture to work with is instead a
dysfunctional kind of useless terrestrial science that’s intentionally
misleading.
“atmosphere of Venus are considerably dryer than corresponding
regions on Earth. The water content of the atmosphere is within the
realm of 0.1 to 1 per cent of the total atmospheric gases by volume”.
That 1% of a 115 km atmosphere that’s primarily saturated its water
density as acidic vapors within them thick clouds, above which
includes the upper O2 layer, or by using that of the given atmospheric
mass of nearly 5e20 kg is worth something near 5e18 kg of h2o (5000
teratonnes of mostly water vapor and droplets that never get much
below 30 km). However, even taking the lower base estimate of 0.1% is
still an impressive amount worth 500 teratonnes of rather easily
accessible water that’s being continually replenished from within that
newish acting planet.
*** BTW; in order to add further confusion as investigative insult to
injury, the scale height (15.9 km) that’s so often used by NASA and by
so many others is roughly the lower portion that’s supposedly worth
half the volumetric pressure, as representing one atmospheric scale
height that obviously excludes the substantial S8 layer and all the
vast bulk of those wet acidic clouds. Therefore, perhaps the actual
total mass of the Venus atmosphere is more than likely worth hosting a
whole lot more water than we’ve been informed by our peers, especially
since the lower portion is so nicely <67 kg/m3 buoyant, with so much
of what’s above the first scale height that contains all of that
acidic water vapor as always 100% cloudy and otherwise reasonably cool
(downright icy and even cryogenic by season of night according to
those ESA science data reports). In other words, the upper
atmospheric layers or second, third, fourth and so on scale height is
all being nicely floated on top of the buoyant first atmospheric
height, and so forth as we go up.
*** Using airships of nearly unlimited mass is something like placing
a vast fleet of million tonne battleships in the ocean which does not
increase the pressure below, whereas instead it just makes the big
atmospheric pond a little larger and ever so slightly deeper. In the
case of Venus, there’s really no limits outside of thermodynamics and
specific gravity as to how much larger and deeper or rather higher
that atmospheric ocean can get before the solar wind can manage to
blow any of it away.
The surface environment of Venus simply isn’t exactly the kind of
insurmountable hot and nasty hellhole that we’ve been taught, and it’s
certainly not anything that’s fooling anyone as geologically dead or
dormant like what we’ve been told over and over by those in charge of
our mainstream science and their public media infomercial mindset
that’s fully moderated and enforced by those few in charge of whatever
gets officially published and otherwise hyped. Venus nighttime at an
altitude of 70~90+ km also isn’t always so cryogenic, as apparently
there are thermodynamic ribbons or jet stream like up-flows and cross-
flows of that relatively extreme tropical atmospheric environment from
below. I believe the following report has merely failed to properly
post their “30 to 70 C” as otherwise it should have been correctly
stated as being –30 to –70 C, but none the less that’s still downright
toasty compared to the usual –120 C that’s available.
“The Unexpected Temperature Profile Of Venus's Atmosphere”
“Jean-Loup Bertaux, Service d'Aeronomie du CNRS, France, Ann-Carine
Vandaele, Institut d'Aeronomie Spatiale de Belgique, and colleagues
have now used Venus Express to discover an unexpectedly warm layer of
air on the planet's night-side. It sits between the altitudes of
90-120 km, a region that is generally so cold at night that
scientists
often refer to it as Venus's cryosphere. The new measurements show
that the temperature excess ranges from 30 to 70C and peaks at an
altitude of 100 km.” (their graphic depicted scales are correct, by
showing everything above 60 km as -C, however it’s unlikely their
reporting error in their published context will ever be corrected
before getting extensively republished in public science journals and
textbooks), Venus - night-time temperatures in the atmosphere
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_0.html
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_1.html#subhead1
This following ESA image/graphic of the Venus day/night thermal
profiles is even a little more intriguing to those of us interested
in
the future prospects of our accomplishing Venus, without getting our
composite rigid airship probes unnecessarily fried in the process.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/The_Unexpected_Temperature_Profile_Of_Venus_Atmosphere_999.html
The only minor problem being with some of this nifty graphic applied
eye-candy form of enhanced science analogy is that it fails to convey
that in reality so very little of the solar energy actually reaches
onto the lower (below cloud) atmosphere and directly touches or
interacts with that geothermally heated surface. Perhaps on average
illuminated by less than .64% of the 2687 w/m2 (11.6e3 Lumens/683) =
17 w/m2 is what gets all the way to the surface, which certainly
contributes to the geothermal upwelling of 20.5 w/m2 that’s otherwise
interpreted as continually radiating away from the planet in addition
to the considerable solar influx.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AVenus/Archive_1#Surface_Illumination
“surface illumination being 16.8 +/- 2.3 Watts per square meter”
Unfortunately, at good cruising altitude it’s still relatively warm,
whereas our rigid-composite-airship sustained expedition cruising
altitude may have to be flown below 35 km by day (possibly below 25 km
within the season of nighttime) in order to remain fully in the clear
of that acidic cloud vapor or haze, thereby it’ll always be much
hotter outside our fully air-conditioned composite rigid airship in
order to avoid the bulk of that lower acidic vapor that’s even hotter
(not that such warm acid is any technological problem for modern
engineered materials and systems), and as otherwise necessary for
escaping the bulk of those pesky retrograde winds by keeping our ship
well below those clouds. However, along with having a positive/
constructive mindset, one can do absolute wonders within the regular
laws of physics plus good applied engineering, especially when using
the best available science, technology and deductive thinking along
the way, should be capable of allowing us to land our composite rigid
airship.
In other words, there’s really nothing ever simple or much less
properly understood about the Venus atmosphere, but at least there’s
absolutely no question of where the vast bulk of Venus heat is coming
from, and it’s most certainly not by way of the sun and its
atmospheric greenhouse that’s merely contributing to a seriously nasty
geothermal driven environment. Unfortunately, even ESA mixes up their
Kelvin and Centigrade back and forth and leaves off their minus
thermal notation as though it really doesn’t matter, perhaps because
they do not want others to fully realize that the planet Venus has
such cold and even cryogenic atmospheric environments to offer,
thereby no wonder we have to see those published errors and
misconceptions in their science context that’ll apparently get to
stick with us no matters what.
With the JAXA Planet-C mission on their way (missing their first
encounter, so it’ll be awhile) and hopefully there’s lots more of the
same yet to come from the ESA's Venus EXPRESS team of investigative
wizards, whereas perhaps a few updates and corrections will eventually
materialize. Just don’t hold your breath, because these things always
take a great deal of time (such as until previous science
investigators and perhaps their next generation manage to die off so
that nothing of their research is ever affected by any new stuff until
long after their deaths).
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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scary kind of secret of yet another “don’t ask and don’t tell” kind of
forbidden situation, because it seems the voodoo/taboo planet Venus is
in fact extremely proto-Earth like, except for having more metallicity
plus a whole lot more complex environment as having layers upon layers
of a highly sophisticated and even reactive atmosphere that’s entirely
different than anything you can imagine. Besides all of the usual
mainstream published data and eyecandy that we’re always supposed to
accept without doubts, fear or remorse, it seems there has been a few
other deductive science interpretations that might not be quite so
discouraging or suggesting that Venus is so insurmountable as you
might care to think, because otherwise it’s an especially doable
planet to most anyone having mastered space travel, so I guess that’s
why this automatically excludes the vast majority of us that can’t
even manage to get ourselves safely to/from our moon.
Terraforming Venus into becoming a Goldilocks approved planet isn’t an
option, although many have suggested that it should be given a try.
The interpretation by some as suggesting 1% of those total atmospheric
gases by way their volumetric density as hosting heavy or acidic water
is actually a fairly impressive notion, whereas even 0.1% of pure h2o
would certainly represent a rather serious amount considering that its
atmospheric mass of nearly 5e20 kg is simply worth so much greater
than Earth’s. However, the officially reported scale height of the
Venus atmosphere is specified as only 16 km, whereas this tired old
method represents how our mainstream science manages to exclude
whatever evidence and to otherwise obfuscate by way of their
mainstream science using only whatever selected data falls within that
first 16 km, thereby suites their motives and hidden agenda of their
intentionally not looking for factoids of any life or much less
intelligence.
Within this initial scale height of 16 km, it is in fact relatively
hot and quite seemingly crystal dry, though it’s something more
comparable to the environment of a pressure cooker and that of its dry
steam (aka superheated water), and thereby offering a mostly rocky
surface without sufficient h2o just laying around or much less falling
out of that sky (outside of seeing whatever vapors are always headed
up into those cool clouds), and therefore it’s all pretty much
chemically inert as well as reactively passive, even though there’s
also a great amount of raw S8 vapor along with mostly co2 and always
some of that unavoidable h2o that’s migrating its way up (the
thermodynamic physics norm of heat seeking cold). Even using the
second scale height that should take us up to 24 km is still
relatively hot and would be considered a relatively dry environment
that’s kind of inert because the local pressure and surrounding
temperature is still keeping it that way. However, this odd method of
using scale height doesn’t seem to work as well as intended, as for
giving us a good enough science picture to work with is instead a
dysfunctional kind of useless terrestrial science that’s intentionally
misleading.
“atmosphere of Venus are considerably dryer than corresponding
regions on Earth. The water content of the atmosphere is within the
realm of 0.1 to 1 per cent of the total atmospheric gases by volume”.
That 1% of a 115 km atmosphere that’s primarily saturated its water
density as acidic vapors within them thick clouds, above which
includes the upper O2 layer, or by using that of the given atmospheric
mass of nearly 5e20 kg is worth something near 5e18 kg of h2o (5000
teratonnes of mostly water vapor and droplets that never get much
below 30 km). However, even taking the lower base estimate of 0.1% is
still an impressive amount worth 500 teratonnes of rather easily
accessible water that’s being continually replenished from within that
newish acting planet.
*** BTW; in order to add further confusion as investigative insult to
injury, the scale height (15.9 km) that’s so often used by NASA and by
so many others is roughly the lower portion that’s supposedly worth
half the volumetric pressure, as representing one atmospheric scale
height that obviously excludes the substantial S8 layer and all the
vast bulk of those wet acidic clouds. Therefore, perhaps the actual
total mass of the Venus atmosphere is more than likely worth hosting a
whole lot more water than we’ve been informed by our peers, especially
since the lower portion is so nicely <67 kg/m3 buoyant, with so much
of what’s above the first scale height that contains all of that
acidic water vapor as always 100% cloudy and otherwise reasonably cool
(downright icy and even cryogenic by season of night according to
those ESA science data reports). In other words, the upper
atmospheric layers or second, third, fourth and so on scale height is
all being nicely floated on top of the buoyant first atmospheric
height, and so forth as we go up.
*** Using airships of nearly unlimited mass is something like placing
a vast fleet of million tonne battleships in the ocean which does not
increase the pressure below, whereas instead it just makes the big
atmospheric pond a little larger and ever so slightly deeper. In the
case of Venus, there’s really no limits outside of thermodynamics and
specific gravity as to how much larger and deeper or rather higher
that atmospheric ocean can get before the solar wind can manage to
blow any of it away.
The surface environment of Venus simply isn’t exactly the kind of
insurmountable hot and nasty hellhole that we’ve been taught, and it’s
certainly not anything that’s fooling anyone as geologically dead or
dormant like what we’ve been told over and over by those in charge of
our mainstream science and their public media infomercial mindset
that’s fully moderated and enforced by those few in charge of whatever
gets officially published and otherwise hyped. Venus nighttime at an
altitude of 70~90+ km also isn’t always so cryogenic, as apparently
there are thermodynamic ribbons or jet stream like up-flows and cross-
flows of that relatively extreme tropical atmospheric environment from
below. I believe the following report has merely failed to properly
post their “30 to 70 C” as otherwise it should have been correctly
stated as being –30 to –70 C, but none the less that’s still downright
toasty compared to the usual –120 C that’s available.
“The Unexpected Temperature Profile Of Venus's Atmosphere”
“Jean-Loup Bertaux, Service d'Aeronomie du CNRS, France, Ann-Carine
Vandaele, Institut d'Aeronomie Spatiale de Belgique, and colleagues
have now used Venus Express to discover an unexpectedly warm layer of
air on the planet's night-side. It sits between the altitudes of
90-120 km, a region that is generally so cold at night that
scientists
often refer to it as Venus's cryosphere. The new measurements show
that the temperature excess ranges from 30 to 70C and peaks at an
altitude of 100 km.” (their graphic depicted scales are correct, by
showing everything above 60 km as -C, however it’s unlikely their
reporting error in their published context will ever be corrected
before getting extensively republished in public science journals and
textbooks), Venus - night-time temperatures in the atmosphere
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_0.html
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_1.html#subhead1
This following ESA image/graphic of the Venus day/night thermal
profiles is even a little more intriguing to those of us interested
in
the future prospects of our accomplishing Venus, without getting our
composite rigid airship probes unnecessarily fried in the process.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/The_Unexpected_Temperature_Profile_Of_Venus_Atmosphere_999.html
The only minor problem being with some of this nifty graphic applied
eye-candy form of enhanced science analogy is that it fails to convey
that in reality so very little of the solar energy actually reaches
onto the lower (below cloud) atmosphere and directly touches or
interacts with that geothermally heated surface. Perhaps on average
illuminated by less than .64% of the 2687 w/m2 (11.6e3 Lumens/683) =
17 w/m2 is what gets all the way to the surface, which certainly
contributes to the geothermal upwelling of 20.5 w/m2 that’s otherwise
interpreted as continually radiating away from the planet in addition
to the considerable solar influx.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AVenus/Archive_1#Surface_Illumination
“surface illumination being 16.8 +/- 2.3 Watts per square meter”
Unfortunately, at good cruising altitude it’s still relatively warm,
whereas our rigid-composite-airship sustained expedition cruising
altitude may have to be flown below 35 km by day (possibly below 25 km
within the season of nighttime) in order to remain fully in the clear
of that acidic cloud vapor or haze, thereby it’ll always be much
hotter outside our fully air-conditioned composite rigid airship in
order to avoid the bulk of that lower acidic vapor that’s even hotter
(not that such warm acid is any technological problem for modern
engineered materials and systems), and as otherwise necessary for
escaping the bulk of those pesky retrograde winds by keeping our ship
well below those clouds. However, along with having a positive/
constructive mindset, one can do absolute wonders within the regular
laws of physics plus good applied engineering, especially when using
the best available science, technology and deductive thinking along
the way, should be capable of allowing us to land our composite rigid
airship.
In other words, there’s really nothing ever simple or much less
properly understood about the Venus atmosphere, but at least there’s
absolutely no question of where the vast bulk of Venus heat is coming
from, and it’s most certainly not by way of the sun and its
atmospheric greenhouse that’s merely contributing to a seriously nasty
geothermal driven environment. Unfortunately, even ESA mixes up their
Kelvin and Centigrade back and forth and leaves off their minus
thermal notation as though it really doesn’t matter, perhaps because
they do not want others to fully realize that the planet Venus has
such cold and even cryogenic atmospheric environments to offer,
thereby no wonder we have to see those published errors and
misconceptions in their science context that’ll apparently get to
stick with us no matters what.
With the JAXA Planet-C mission on their way (missing their first
encounter, so it’ll be awhile) and hopefully there’s lots more of the
same yet to come from the ESA's Venus EXPRESS team of investigative
wizards, whereas perhaps a few updates and corrections will eventually
materialize. Just don’t hold your breath, because these things always
take a great deal of time (such as until previous science
investigators and perhaps their next generation manage to die off so
that nothing of their research is ever affected by any new stuff until
long after their deaths).
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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Brad Guth
Jan 15, 2012, 12:08:11 PM1/15/12
to
Venus updated facts and what-ifs:
Or perhaps it’s still mostly about a very dark and scary kind of
secret, of yet another “don’t ask, don’t tell” kind of forbidden
more metallicity plus a whole lot more complex environments, such as
nifty eyecandy that we’re always supposed to accept without doubts,
fear or remorse, it seems there has been a few other independently
planet isn’t a realistic option, although many have suggested that it
should be given a try. No doubt the vast bulk of that acidic
atmosphere of mostly CO2 is reacting very much like a global ocean
that’s acting as a molecular fluidic heat-sink and thermodynamic
storage battery, that’s somehow well enough insulated by those dense
acidic clouds so that it keeps the entire globe up to a serious
pressure cooking temperature of perhaps 725 K at the surface. With
the added geothermal upwelling or outflux of 20.5 w/m2 in addition to
the 17 w/m2 of surface solar impact is 37.5 w/m2 that’s going to make
for cooling that planet off as rather highly improbable, if not
impossible within any multiples of human life-spans for the
foreseeable future.
The interpretation by some as having been suggesting 1% of those
rather serious amount of h2o considering that its atmospheric mass of
method represents how our mainstream science has managed to exclude
possible life or much less intelligence.
Within this initial scale height of 16 km, it is in fact relatively
hot and quite seemingly crystal dry, though it’s actually something a
whole lot more comparable to the environment of a pressure cooker and
surface is all pretty much chemically inert as well as reactively kind
of passive below 16 km, even though there’s also a great amount of raw
S8 vapor along with mostly CO2 and always some of that unavoidable H2O
that’s migrating its way up into those relatively cool and highly
reflective clouds (the thermodynamic physics norm of heat always
nearly as humanly scorching hot), and would have to be considered a
this tired old method of using scale height doesn’t seem to work as
well as intended for Venus, as for giving the rest of us a good enough
science picture to work with is instead a dysfunctional kind of nearly
useless terrestrial science method that’s intentionally misleading.
“atmosphere of Venus are considerably dryer than corresponding
regions on Earth. The water content of the atmosphere is within the
realm of 0.1 to 1 per cent of the total atmospheric gases by volume”.
That 1% of a 115 km volumetric height of atmosphere that has primarily
saturated its water holding density as acidic vapors and ice within
them thick clouds, above which includes the upper N2, O2 and O3
layers, by interpreting the given atmospheric mass of nearly 5e20 kg
is worthy of offering something near 5e18 kg of acidic h2o (5000
teratonnes of mostly water vapor and droplets that never manage to
fall or return much below 30 km by season of nighttime). However,
that’s being continually vented and/or replenished from within that
very newish acting planet.
*** BTW; in order to add further confusion as investigative insult to
injury, the scale height (15.9 km) that’s so often used by NASA and by
so many others is roughly the lower portion that’s supposedly worth
half the volumetric pressure, as representing one atmospheric scale
height that obviously excludes the substantial S8 layer and all the
vast bulk of those wet acidic clouds. Therefore, perhaps the actual
total mass of the Venus atmosphere is more than likely worth hosting a
whole lot more water than we’ve been informed by our peers, especially
since the lower portion is so nicely <67 kg/m3 buoyant, with so much
of what’s above the first scale height that contains all of that
acidic water vapor as always 100% cloudy and otherwise reasonably cool
(downright icy and even cryogenic by season of night according to
those ESA atmospheric science data reports). In other words, the
With the JAXA Planet-C mission on their way (having missed their first
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_S...
Or perhaps it’s still mostly about a very dark and scary kind of
secret, of yet another “don’t ask, don’t tell” kind of forbidden
situation, because it seems the voodoo/taboo planet Venus is in fact
acting as though it’s extremely proto-Earth like, except for having
more metallicity plus a whole lot more complex environments, such as
having layers upon layers of a highly sophisticated and even reactive
atmosphere that’s entirely different than anything you can imagine.
Besides all of the usual mainstream published data and their always
atmosphere that’s entirely different than anything you can imagine.
nifty eyecandy that we’re always supposed to accept without doubts,
fear or remorse, it seems there has been a few other independently
deductive science interpretations that might not be quite so
discouraging or suggesting that Venus is so insurmountable as you
might care to think, because otherwise it’s an especially doable
planet to most anyone having mastered space travel, so I guess that’s
why this extremely nearby planet automatically excludes the vast
discouraging or suggesting that Venus is so insurmountable as you
might care to think, because otherwise it’s an especially doable
planet to most anyone having mastered space travel, so I guess that’s
majority of us that can’t even manage to get ourselves safely to/from
our moon.
Terraforming Venus into becoming a certified Goldilocks approved
our moon.
planet isn’t a realistic option, although many have suggested that it
should be given a try. No doubt the vast bulk of that acidic
atmosphere of mostly CO2 is reacting very much like a global ocean
that’s acting as a molecular fluidic heat-sink and thermodynamic
storage battery, that’s somehow well enough insulated by those dense
acidic clouds so that it keeps the entire globe up to a serious
pressure cooking temperature of perhaps 725 K at the surface. With
the added geothermal upwelling or outflux of 20.5 w/m2 in addition to
the 17 w/m2 of surface solar impact is 37.5 w/m2 that’s going to make
for cooling that planet off as rather highly improbable, if not
impossible within any multiples of human life-spans for the
foreseeable future.
The interpretation by some as having been suggesting 1% of those
atmospheric gases by way their volumetric density as hosting heavy or
acidic water is actually a fairly impressive notion, whereas even 0.1%
of pure h2o (if that 1% was 90% acid) would certainly represent a
acidic water is actually a fairly impressive notion, whereas even 0.1%
rather serious amount of h2o considering that its atmospheric mass of
nearly 5e20 kg is simply worth so much greater than Earth’s. However,
the officially reported scale height of the Venus atmosphere is
specified as only 16 km, whereas this tired old and rather deceiving
the officially reported scale height of the Venus atmosphere is
method represents how our mainstream science has managed to exclude
whatever evidence and to otherwise obfuscate by way of their
conditional mainstream science using only whatever selected data falls
within that first 16 km, thereby suites their motives and hidden
agenda of their intentionally not looking for other factoids of any
possible life or much less intelligence.
Within this initial scale height of 16 km, it is in fact relatively
whole lot more comparable to the environment of a pressure cooker and
that of its dry steam (aka superheated water), and thereby offering a
mostly rock hard surface without sufficient h2o just laying around or
much less falling out of that sky (outside of seeing whatever vapors
are always headed up into those cool clouds), and therefore its
surface is all pretty much chemically inert as well as reactively kind
of passive below 16 km, even though there’s also a great amount of raw
S8 vapor along with mostly CO2 and always some of that unavoidable H2O
that’s migrating its way up into those relatively cool and highly
reflective clouds (the thermodynamic physics norm of heat always
seeking cold). Even using the second scale height that should take us
up to roughly 24 km is still going to be relatively warm (just not
nearly as humanly scorching hot), and would have to be considered a
relatively dry environment that’s kind of inert because the local
pressure and surrounding temperature is keeping it that way. However,
this tired old method of using scale height doesn’t seem to work as
well as intended for Venus, as for giving the rest of us a good enough
science picture to work with is instead a dysfunctional kind of nearly
useless terrestrial science method that’s intentionally misleading.
“atmosphere of Venus are considerably dryer than corresponding
regions on Earth. The water content of the atmosphere is within the
realm of 0.1 to 1 per cent of the total atmospheric gases by volume”.
saturated its water holding density as acidic vapors and ice within
them thick clouds, above which includes the upper N2, O2 and O3
layers, by interpreting the given atmospheric mass of nearly 5e20 kg
is worthy of offering something near 5e18 kg of acidic h2o (5000
teratonnes of mostly water vapor and droplets that never manage to
fall or return much below 30 km by season of nighttime). However,
even taking the lower base estimate of 0.1% is still an impressive
amount worth 500 teratonnes of rather easily accessible fresh water
that’s being continually vented and/or replenished from within that
very newish acting planet.
*** BTW; in order to add further confusion as investigative insult to
injury, the scale height (15.9 km) that’s so often used by NASA and by
so many others is roughly the lower portion that’s supposedly worth
half the volumetric pressure, as representing one atmospheric scale
height that obviously excludes the substantial S8 layer and all the
vast bulk of those wet acidic clouds. Therefore, perhaps the actual
total mass of the Venus atmosphere is more than likely worth hosting a
whole lot more water than we’ve been informed by our peers, especially
since the lower portion is so nicely <67 kg/m3 buoyant, with so much
of what’s above the first scale height that contains all of that
acidic water vapor as always 100% cloudy and otherwise reasonably cool
(downright icy and even cryogenic by season of night according to
upper atmospheric layers or second, third, fourth and so on scale
height is all being nicely floated on top of the buoyant first
atmospheric height of 16 km, and so forth as we go all the way up.
height is all being nicely floated on top of the buoyant first
encounter, so it’ll be awhile) and hopefully there’s lots more of the
same yet to come from the ESA's Venus EXPRESS team of investigative
wizards, whereas perhaps a few updates and corrections will eventually
materialize. Just don’t hold your breath, because these things always
take a great deal of time (such as until previous science
investigators and perhaps their next generation manage to die off so
that nothing of their research is ever affected by any new stuff until
long after their deaths).
same yet to come from the ESA's Venus EXPRESS team of investigative
wizards, whereas perhaps a few updates and corrections will eventually
materialize. Just don’t hold your breath, because these things always
take a great deal of time (such as until previous science
investigators and perhaps their next generation manage to die off so
that nothing of their research is ever affected by any new stuff until
long after their deaths).
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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On Jan 1, 12:00 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Jan 15, 2012, 3:17:21 PM1/15/12
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Attention all you science smart K12s, plus each and anyone else that
cares to see for themselves what our crack government agencies and
their contracted insiders would much rather you didn’t bother yourself
to realize: Finding Waldo on Venus is actually much easier said than
done, but otherwise finding the substantial Waldo tarmac/airstrip plus
identifying multiple other large scale or substantial kinds of
infrastructure that looks perfectly rational, is really quite easy.
This "IrfanView" image processing utility is somewhat like being
digital image potty trained, as well as having been 5th grader
approved and thus as good as any LeapFrog pop-up science book can
deliver. Not that any number of equal or better digital image methods
for enlarging haven’t existed as is, but here's simply yet another old
one that has been perked up so that not even a 5th grader is necessary
to operate it. If you can click your mouse or one finger type on a
keyboard, that's pretty much all the image processing expertise you'll
ever need.
IrfanView
http://www.irfanview.com/
PhotoZoom Pro (mac and pc)
http://www.benvista.com/main/content/content.php?page=downloads
The original GIF image file:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
If you’d care to first crop out and save the most interesting 10%
central portion (roughly centered as a third up and at 1:1, as I've so
often instructed (gives roughly a 64 k image file that’s always a 100%
clone of the original without having all the surrounding image to deal
with), whereas the automated enlargement process should now run ten
fold faster, and perhaps another ten fold faster yet if using XP
instead of Windows 7 (but that's certainly not my fault).
Of course Apple/MAC users are not without every bit as good or better
alternatives than PhotoZoom. However, this public-funded radar
obtained image of Venus is just offering a basic composite monochrome
file of 651 k, of not all that many pixels to begin with, so any 10x
enlargement is still going to be processed relatively efficient and
otherwise greatly simplified, in that not even a 5th grader is
required, and because such photographic processing software doesn’t
realize nor care what sort of image context it is processing, there’s
nothing weird or unexpected going to happen unless you have some kind
of faith-based or some other dysfunctional naysay kind of perpetual
social/political discrimination embedded problem(s).
Virtually all digital cameras and photo printers of any significance
come packaged along with a basic photo resizing/enlarging option, with
their automatic zoom image filtering utility for delivering those
sufficient image enlargement results that do not modify or otherwise
skew the raw image data. Commercially or via government agencies
should naturally have far better zoom/enlarge or image resampling
results that are certainly available to those with either the
necessary loot or having their inside connections for using such.
Start off looking for our Venusian Waldo or whatever else looks
unusually odd by way of suggesting some kind of Venus intelligence,
perhaps somewhere near that complex tarmac/airstrip, or perhaps this
Waldo is hiding somewhere over near that large clover shaped reservoir
that seems connected to that other reservoir which contains a lttle
something fluid, or how about looking near that perfectly natural
fluid arch, if not checking around and under that impressive bridge,
or just nearby any number of other large scale items of their
infrastructure (including those rectangular rock quarry sites situated
just north of that terrific bridge). There’s at least 5 gold stars
plus a million other points to go along with your name as given full
credits for finding our Venusian Waldo. (K12 team/class science
efforts are allowed to collaborate on this, because there’s lots of
observationology credits to go around). While you’re at it, doing
your very own image enlargement and upload it, posting a link to your
image enlargement version, or at least pretend you care by doing
absolutely nothing except reviewing my results.
cares to see for themselves what our crack government agencies and
their contracted insiders would much rather you didn’t bother yourself
to realize: Finding Waldo on Venus is actually much easier said than
done, but otherwise finding the substantial Waldo tarmac/airstrip plus
identifying multiple other large scale or substantial kinds of
infrastructure that looks perfectly rational, is really quite easy.
This "IrfanView" image processing utility is somewhat like being
digital image potty trained, as well as having been 5th grader
approved and thus as good as any LeapFrog pop-up science book can
deliver. Not that any number of equal or better digital image methods
for enlarging haven’t existed as is, but here's simply yet another old
one that has been perked up so that not even a 5th grader is necessary
to operate it. If you can click your mouse or one finger type on a
keyboard, that's pretty much all the image processing expertise you'll
ever need.
IrfanView
http://www.irfanview.com/
PhotoZoom Pro (mac and pc)
http://www.benvista.com/main/content/content.php?page=downloads
The original GIF image file:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
If you’d care to first crop out and save the most interesting 10%
central portion (roughly centered as a third up and at 1:1, as I've so
often instructed (gives roughly a 64 k image file that’s always a 100%
clone of the original without having all the surrounding image to deal
with), whereas the automated enlargement process should now run ten
fold faster, and perhaps another ten fold faster yet if using XP
instead of Windows 7 (but that's certainly not my fault).
Of course Apple/MAC users are not without every bit as good or better
alternatives than PhotoZoom. However, this public-funded radar
obtained image of Venus is just offering a basic composite monochrome
file of 651 k, of not all that many pixels to begin with, so any 10x
enlargement is still going to be processed relatively efficient and
otherwise greatly simplified, in that not even a 5th grader is
required, and because such photographic processing software doesn’t
realize nor care what sort of image context it is processing, there’s
nothing weird or unexpected going to happen unless you have some kind
of faith-based or some other dysfunctional naysay kind of perpetual
social/political discrimination embedded problem(s).
Virtually all digital cameras and photo printers of any significance
come packaged along with a basic photo resizing/enlarging option, with
their automatic zoom image filtering utility for delivering those
sufficient image enlargement results that do not modify or otherwise
skew the raw image data. Commercially or via government agencies
should naturally have far better zoom/enlarge or image resampling
results that are certainly available to those with either the
necessary loot or having their inside connections for using such.
Start off looking for our Venusian Waldo or whatever else looks
unusually odd by way of suggesting some kind of Venus intelligence,
perhaps somewhere near that complex tarmac/airstrip, or perhaps this
Waldo is hiding somewhere over near that large clover shaped reservoir
that seems connected to that other reservoir which contains a lttle
something fluid, or how about looking near that perfectly natural
fluid arch, if not checking around and under that impressive bridge,
or just nearby any number of other large scale items of their
infrastructure (including those rectangular rock quarry sites situated
just north of that terrific bridge). There’s at least 5 gold stars
plus a million other points to go along with your name as given full
credits for finding our Venusian Waldo. (K12 team/class science
efforts are allowed to collaborate on this, because there’s lots of
observationology credits to go around). While you’re at it, doing
your very own image enlargement and upload it, posting a link to your
image enlargement version, or at least pretend you care by doing
absolutely nothing except reviewing my results.
Brad Guth
Jan 15, 2012, 11:19:06 PM1/15/12
to
mountainous, seems actively venting and showing lots of canyon terrain
like erosion. In this one small area are a number of items that look
oddly geometrical and even symmetrical in a very community
infrastructure rational kind of way. If this is purely nature and
natural geology at play, then it’s by far the most advanced and
complex version of such creative geology on any planet or moon of our
solar system.
When I'm talking about whatever Venusian intelligent life, it's not
necessarily suggesting indigenous or even that of any directed
panspermia from Earth, because for the most part we're just not quite
smart enough in order to pull that one off (too busy with cheating
others while creating and sustaining false-flag wars and otherwise
nation-building bogus governments that like playing their faith-based
war games at the expense and demise of most everyone else, including
the global environment which keeps taking hits). More than likely
it's outsiders (other than from Earth) as having been doing their
toasty planet thing of pillaging and plundering the Venus geology of
rare elements for all she's worth, just like some have been suggesting
we should be doing the same with passing asteroids and even mining
into our naked moon or Ceres. For all I know, Guth Venus could also
be an abandoned outpost or temporary habitat for those smart enough to
get themselves into our solar system, if for nothing else but to have
a good close up look-see and laugh at us and our ongoing demise that
should take much longer. Isn’t this off-work mining and exploiting
exactly the kind of thing that William Mook would do, if he only
could?
Unfortunately, the likes of “Harlow Victor Allen Campbell”, Hagar(aka
“Hägar”), BDK, hanson, Fred and always those persistent Semitic
brainfarts of their topic/author stalking rabbi Saul Levy that
pretends being an Atheist but otherwise speaks as well as acts/reacts
on behalf of Zionist/Jews, are all pretty much one in the very same
pretend-Atheist and FUD-master club, of brown-nosed media clowns and
jokers that really don't care which political party is in office or
whomever is otherwise trying to make an honest positive/constructive
difference by whatever means of allowing history revisions for the
common greater good, because they only intend to topic/author stalk in
order to foil any and all outsiders, as well as reinforce their own
redneck perverted faith-based ulterior motives and hidden agendas that
are oddly the exact same as those upper caste Semites (Yemenite Jews)
have always had going for themselves. I believe it was extensively
their generation and most of their redneck parents that systematically
perpetrated and sustained that totally bogus cold-war for their very
own public-funded job security, benefits, resource hording, common
investment greed and hoarding (creating as much artificial scarcity as
possible), as well as for their promoting racial and ethnic bias and
as much excessive disparity as possible, in order to create and
sustain their social and economic authority and superiority as the one
and only status quo for benefiting themselves.
On the other hand, I may not agree with everything William Mook has
investigated and having proposed over the years, but at least I'm
still learning from his stuff and capable of deductively connecting
those investigative research dots, some of which you may have also
investigated, or having uncovered and shared with us. No doubt that
the likes of our resident pretenders, spooks and fellow Semite FUD-
masters have always represented the ultimate black hole and blackest
heart of our snookered and dumbfounded republic from the very get-go,
and perhaps some day a proper government of this republic (kind of
like JFK was attempting to do) would have each of them hunted down and
arrested for their intellectual terrorism and collective conspiracy of
treasonous acts, though ideally as of a long time ago.
Ask yourself, how many do-overs are we supposed to let others of these
GOP/ZNR redneck kind, keep making the rest of us and the next ten
generations as having to do only as they say and always having to pay
for their screw-ups? (obviously in the case of our mainstream status
quo of perpetual naysay and FUD-masters, the polluted sky has always
been their limit, and then some)
Brad Guth
Jan 15, 2012, 11:28:03 PM1/15/12
to
media clowns and their may jokers that really don't care which
political party is in office or whomever is otherwise trying to make
an honest positive/constructive difference by whatever means of
allowing history revisions for the common greater good, because they
only intend to topic/author stalk in order to foil any and all
outsiders, as well as reinforce their own redneck perverted faith-
based ulterior motives and hidden agendas that are oddly the exact
same as those upper caste Semites (Yemenite Jews) have always had
going for themselves. I believe it was extensively their generation
and most of their redneck parents that systematically perpetrated and
sustained that totally bogus cold-war for their very own public-funded
job security, benefits, resource hording, common investment greed and
hoarding (creating as much artificial scarcity as possible), as well
as for their promoting racial and ethnic bias and as much excessive
disparity as possible, in order to create and sustain their social and
economic authority and superiority as the one and only status quo for
benefiting themselves.
On the other hand, I may not agree with everything William Mook has
investigated and having proposed over the years, but at least I'm
still learning from his stuff and capable of deductively connecting
those investigative research dots, some of which you may have also
investigated, or having uncovered and shared. No doubt that the likes
an honest positive/constructive difference by whatever means of
allowing history revisions for the common greater good, because they
only intend to topic/author stalk in order to foil any and all
outsiders, as well as reinforce their own redneck perverted faith-
based ulterior motives and hidden agendas that are oddly the exact
same as those upper caste Semites (Yemenite Jews) have always had
going for themselves. I believe it was extensively their generation
and most of their redneck parents that systematically perpetrated and
sustained that totally bogus cold-war for their very own public-funded
job security, benefits, resource hording, common investment greed and
hoarding (creating as much artificial scarcity as possible), as well
as for their promoting racial and ethnic bias and as much excessive
disparity as possible, in order to create and sustain their social and
economic authority and superiority as the one and only status quo for
benefiting themselves.
On the other hand, I may not agree with everything William Mook has
investigated and having proposed over the years, but at least I'm
still learning from his stuff and capable of deductively connecting
those investigative research dots, some of which you may have also
of our resident pretenders, spooks and fellow Semite FUD-masters have
always represented the ultimate black hole and blackest heart of our
snookered and dumbfounded republic from the very get-go, and perhaps
some day a proper government of this republic (kind of like JFK was
attempting to do) would have each of them hunted down and arrested for
their intellectual terrorism and collective conspiracy of treasonous
acts, though ideally as of a long time ago.
Ask yourself, how many do-overs are we supposed to let others of these
GOP/ZNR redneck kind, keep making the rest of us and the next ten
generations as having to do only as they say and always having to pay
for their screw-ups? (obviously in the case of our mainstream status
quo of perpetual naysay and FUD-masters, the polluted sky has always
been their limit, and then some)
snookered and dumbfounded republic from the very get-go, and perhaps
some day a proper government of this republic (kind of like JFK was
attempting to do) would have each of them hunted down and arrested for
their intellectual terrorism and collective conspiracy of treasonous
acts, though ideally as of a long time ago.
Ask yourself, how many do-overs are we supposed to let others of these
GOP/ZNR redneck kind, keep making the rest of us and the next ten
generations as having to do only as they say and always having to pay
for their screw-ups? (obviously in the case of our mainstream status
quo of perpetual naysay and FUD-masters, the polluted sky has always
been their limit, and then some)
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
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http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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Brad Guth
Jan 16, 2012, 7:58:47 AM1/16/12
to
Off-world metallicity isn’t just about going after bling, because
there’s a whole lot more that our world needs besides clear/white
diamonds or even gold (not that either of those should be in any short
supply).
The fracking of deep bedrock shale in order to release natural gas is
a clinical form of hydrocarbon desperation on steroids, though
technically doable as long as the energy derived is at least 10% above
the all-inclusive required energy input, and there’s no complaints
about earthquakes or ground water getting saturated toxins, nor
mention anything about the additional release of helium.
However, if we can’t manage to supply our own hydrocarbons at the
lowest price on Earth (similar to how Venezuela manages their
hydrocarbons), much less having any surplus for export, and instead we
have to keep the social/political pressure on those which do seem to
have more than their fair share by way of our maintaining artificial
scarcity and/or via insider trading plus hording, bullying and covert
false-flag and/or special ops that can manage to get away with pretty
much anything (including assassinations and war), then we’re in a
whole lot bigger and nastier immoral pot of trouble than we’re being
allowed to know about.
60 Minutes interview of Qatar “Rising From the Sand”, has certainly
developed their rather large surplus of oil and natural gas, of which
they also refine their own oil plus process and liquefy their NG
mostly for export. Of course natural gas isn’t just CH4, and oil
isn’t just one kind of fluid petrochemical hydrocarbon, so there’s any
number of other valuable fluids and gasses which they also get to
market to the highest bidders. Qatar has more than proven how the
world can be way better off with a surplus of energy, and especially
when so many others are either hydrocarbon deficient or simply too
greedy and careless with their mass consumption that’s very addictive
plus otherwise artificially made essential to sustaining their way and
quality of life.
According to others, including William Mook and myself, there have
always been perfectly viable alternatives and/or substitutes that in
many applications are every bit as good or better than natural
hydrocarbons, as well as way better for the global environment
(including better quality and less spendy synfuel from coal). This
doesn’t mean that any 100% shift away from conventional hydrocarbons
is necessary, but it does mean that we need to get ourselves a whole
lot smarter about such hydrocarbons and other energy usage, because
having to lose thousands of folks per year (not even including
military losses) and artificially manipulating global markets and/or
going to war on false pretexts isn’t exactly a viable long-term
alternative.
Going off-world has certain spendy and human risk factors, but it also
offers multiple alternatives for obtaining valuable metallicity and
unlimited energy for the extracting, processing and exporting such
elements back to Earth, at a fraction of the negative environmental
impact that our all-inclusive terrestrial alternatives would involve.
This means we need to look long and hard at the treasure trove of our
physically dark and paramagnetic moon, as well as to further consider
what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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there’s a whole lot more that our world needs besides clear/white
diamonds or even gold (not that either of those should be in any short
supply).
The fracking of deep bedrock shale in order to release natural gas is
a clinical form of hydrocarbon desperation on steroids, though
technically doable as long as the energy derived is at least 10% above
the all-inclusive required energy input, and there’s no complaints
about earthquakes or ground water getting saturated toxins, nor
mention anything about the additional release of helium.
However, if we can’t manage to supply our own hydrocarbons at the
lowest price on Earth (similar to how Venezuela manages their
hydrocarbons), much less having any surplus for export, and instead we
have to keep the social/political pressure on those which do seem to
have more than their fair share by way of our maintaining artificial
scarcity and/or via insider trading plus hording, bullying and covert
false-flag and/or special ops that can manage to get away with pretty
much anything (including assassinations and war), then we’re in a
whole lot bigger and nastier immoral pot of trouble than we’re being
allowed to know about.
60 Minutes interview of Qatar “Rising From the Sand”, has certainly
developed their rather large surplus of oil and natural gas, of which
they also refine their own oil plus process and liquefy their NG
mostly for export. Of course natural gas isn’t just CH4, and oil
isn’t just one kind of fluid petrochemical hydrocarbon, so there’s any
number of other valuable fluids and gasses which they also get to
market to the highest bidders. Qatar has more than proven how the
world can be way better off with a surplus of energy, and especially
when so many others are either hydrocarbon deficient or simply too
greedy and careless with their mass consumption that’s very addictive
plus otherwise artificially made essential to sustaining their way and
quality of life.
According to others, including William Mook and myself, there have
always been perfectly viable alternatives and/or substitutes that in
many applications are every bit as good or better than natural
hydrocarbons, as well as way better for the global environment
(including better quality and less spendy synfuel from coal). This
doesn’t mean that any 100% shift away from conventional hydrocarbons
is necessary, but it does mean that we need to get ourselves a whole
lot smarter about such hydrocarbons and other energy usage, because
having to lose thousands of folks per year (not even including
military losses) and artificially manipulating global markets and/or
going to war on false pretexts isn’t exactly a viable long-term
alternative.
Going off-world has certain spendy and human risk factors, but it also
offers multiple alternatives for obtaining valuable metallicity and
unlimited energy for the extracting, processing and exporting such
elements back to Earth, at a fraction of the negative environmental
impact that our all-inclusive terrestrial alternatives would involve.
This means we need to look long and hard at the treasure trove of our
physically dark and paramagnetic moon, as well as to further consider
what the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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THE "REAL" GOOFY VENUS IS SOME DEAD BRAIN CELLS IN YOUR HEAD, GOOF!
THAT'S ANOTHER REPEAT BELOW, VILLAGE IDIOT!
Saul Levy
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:28:03 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Guth Venus is just a small but interesting place on Venus that’s quite
[MUCH SHIT DELETED, UNREAD AS USUAL!]
>
> Brad Guth, YES, I'M TOTALLY INSANE!
THAT'S ANOTHER REPEAT BELOW, VILLAGE IDIOT!
Saul Levy
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:28:03 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Guth Venus is just a small but interesting place on Venus that’s quite
>
> Brad Guth, YES, I'M TOTALLY INSANE!
Brad Guth
Jan 16, 2012, 4:25:37 PM1/16/12
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According to our resident mainstream parrot “Sam Wormley”, the making
of planets has little if anything to do with any creation process of a
main sequence star, because supposedly planets just manage to create
and evolve themselves with no special metallicity contributed
assistance from their nearby and rapidly spinning progenitor star that
just so happed to form at roughly the same place and time, and having
evolved from that very same molecular/nebula cloud that already
contained these following elements:
: Hydrogen 73.46%
: Helium 24.85%
: Oxygen 0.77%
: Carbon 0.29%
: Iron 0.16%
: Neon 0.12%
: Nitrogen 0.09%
: Silicon 0.07%
: Magnesium 0.05%
: Sulfur 0.04%
So, we must have within our galaxy at the very least 1e13 wandering/
rogue planets in addition to those randomly captured by the raw
happenstance encounter of any given nearby star makes this non-stellar
population worth perhaps at least 1e14. Since there’s way more red
dwarfs than stars like our sun, this might tend to suggest that brown
dwarfs are going to be even much greater populating throughout our
galaxy, and so forth greater yet would be the vast numbers of planets,
planetoids, moons and asteroids that supposedly had little if anything
to do with the creations of any past, current of future stars
(according to Sam Wormley).
Perhaps the terrific metallicity of that molecular/nebula cloud (worth
upwards of 2.5e37 kg) which created those nearby and extremely vibrant
Sirius stars, also managed to produce at least a thousand planets,
planetoids, moons and significantly lethal gauntlet of 1e18 kg and
larger asteroids per star (plus a good million worth of smaller
items), because most likely there was no shortage of molecular/nebula
metallicity mass to begin with.
It’s looking as though our spendy and badly delayed JWST is going to
have a very tough time of looking in any direction without finding
loads of those rogue cool planets, planetoids, moons and asteroids as
just representing loads of icy covered items kind of wandering every
which way.
Perhaps when that very same Sirius molecular/nebula cloud surrounded
our sun is when the planet Venus came to be, and no doubt some of that
passing metallicity interacted with our naked moon, or conceivably
having contributed that moon from the vast surplus of items which
originated along with those nearby Sirius stars.
of planets has little if anything to do with any creation process of a
main sequence star, because supposedly planets just manage to create
and evolve themselves with no special metallicity contributed
assistance from their nearby and rapidly spinning progenitor star that
just so happed to form at roughly the same place and time, and having
evolved from that very same molecular/nebula cloud that already
contained these following elements:
: Hydrogen 73.46%
: Helium 24.85%
: Oxygen 0.77%
: Carbon 0.29%
: Iron 0.16%
: Neon 0.12%
: Nitrogen 0.09%
: Silicon 0.07%
: Magnesium 0.05%
: Sulfur 0.04%
So, we must have within our galaxy at the very least 1e13 wandering/
rogue planets in addition to those randomly captured by the raw
happenstance encounter of any given nearby star makes this non-stellar
population worth perhaps at least 1e14. Since there’s way more red
dwarfs than stars like our sun, this might tend to suggest that brown
dwarfs are going to be even much greater populating throughout our
galaxy, and so forth greater yet would be the vast numbers of planets,
planetoids, moons and asteroids that supposedly had little if anything
to do with the creations of any past, current of future stars
(according to Sam Wormley).
Perhaps the terrific metallicity of that molecular/nebula cloud (worth
upwards of 2.5e37 kg) which created those nearby and extremely vibrant
Sirius stars, also managed to produce at least a thousand planets,
planetoids, moons and significantly lethal gauntlet of 1e18 kg and
larger asteroids per star (plus a good million worth of smaller
items), because most likely there was no shortage of molecular/nebula
metallicity mass to begin with.
It’s looking as though our spendy and badly delayed JWST is going to
have a very tough time of looking in any direction without finding
loads of those rogue cool planets, planetoids, moons and asteroids as
just representing loads of icy covered items kind of wandering every
which way.
Perhaps when that very same Sirius molecular/nebula cloud surrounded
our sun is when the planet Venus came to be, and no doubt some of that
passing metallicity interacted with our naked moon, or conceivably
having contributed that moon from the vast surplus of items which
originated along with those nearby Sirius stars.
Brad Guth
Jan 17, 2012, 2:59:21 PM1/17/12
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Perhaps creating a newish planet like Venus isn’t as hard to come by
as once thought.
How improbable is it for a new planet to get created within our solar
system?
Was Venus captured or was it simply created as somewhat materialized
more recently on the fly(so to speak), such as when that truly
enormous and massive molecular/nebula cloud which created those
terrific nearby Sirius stars had also surrounded and engulfed our sun
for those thousands and perhaps a million some odd years before
getting blown away by those absolutely horrific Sirius winds
(especially from Sirius B)?
We’re being told by our overlord peers and masters of FUD that planet
creation is quite similar to stellar creation, in that any
sufficiently dense molecular/nebula cloud of metallicity can produce
such new planets, especially when that molecular/nebula cloud is
situated near a given star that’s also reacting to being surrounded by
this temporary cloud of molecular mass. Perhaps this nearby star
could just as easily have been our sun when it encountered yet another
substantial cloud of heavy elements, such as those molecular elements
which obviously contributed to the making of those nearby Sirius stars
as of 250~300 million years ago.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
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as once thought.
How improbable is it for a new planet to get created within our solar
system?
Was Venus captured or was it simply created as somewhat materialized
more recently on the fly(so to speak), such as when that truly
enormous and massive molecular/nebula cloud which created those
terrific nearby Sirius stars had also surrounded and engulfed our sun
for those thousands and perhaps a million some odd years before
getting blown away by those absolutely horrific Sirius winds
(especially from Sirius B)?
We’re being told by our overlord peers and masters of FUD that planet
creation is quite similar to stellar creation, in that any
sufficiently dense molecular/nebula cloud of metallicity can produce
such new planets, especially when that molecular/nebula cloud is
situated near a given star that’s also reacting to being surrounded by
this temporary cloud of molecular mass. Perhaps this nearby star
could just as easily have been our sun when it encountered yet another
substantial cloud of heavy elements, such as those molecular elements
which obviously contributed to the making of those nearby Sirius stars
as of 250~300 million years ago.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
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Brad Guth
Jan 17, 2012, 5:25:34 PM1/17/12
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Could a new planet ever be created within an existing and well
established solar system?
Perhaps creating an entirely newish planet like Venus isn’t nearly as
hard to come by as once thought. Considering all of the spare energy
and mass that’s floating about our galaxy (mostly outside of our
established solar system), how improbable is it for a new planet to
FUD that seem to go out of their way in order to topic/author stalk
and to mostly to systematically discredit anything offered, that
pressed to stick with their original binary or trinary Sirius solar
system, especially as their parent star had lost near 8 fold of its
original mass, and having given off such a horrific red supergiant
wind or outflux of mass in the process of rapidly becoming a WD, and
so much so that perhaps other planets like Venus itself that once
belonged to the Sirius(B) solar system got set free, although it seems
more likely the molecular/nebula mass of that progenitor star system
of Sirius had more than sufficient reserve mass and radii to encompass
or engulf our sun.
This surrounding saturation of a metallicity rich molecular/nebula
cloud would have likely terminated most forms of terrestrial life as
we know is, as kind of wiping most of our biological slate clean as of
that most recent planet forming era.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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> http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/The_Unexpected_Temperature_Profile_...
established solar system?
Perhaps creating an entirely newish planet like Venus isn’t nearly as
hard to come by as once thought. Considering all of the spare energy
and mass that’s floating about our galaxy (mostly outside of our
established solar system), how improbable is it for a new planet to
get created within our solar system?
Was Venus captured or was it simply created as somewhat materialized
more recently on the fly(so to speak), such as when that truly
enormous and massive molecular/nebula cloud which created those
terrific nearby Sirius stars had also surrounded and engulfed our sun
for those thousands and perhaps a million some odd years before
getting blown away by those absolutely horrific Sirius winds
(especially from Sirius B)?
We’re being told by our ever vigilant overlord peers and masters of
Was Venus captured or was it simply created as somewhat materialized
more recently on the fly(so to speak), such as when that truly
enormous and massive molecular/nebula cloud which created those
terrific nearby Sirius stars had also surrounded and engulfed our sun
for those thousands and perhaps a million some odd years before
getting blown away by those absolutely horrific Sirius winds
(especially from Sirius B)?
FUD that seem to go out of their way in order to topic/author stalk
and to mostly to systematically discredit anything offered, that
planet creation is quite similar to stellar creation, in that any
sufficiently dense molecular/nebula cloud of metallicity can produce
such new planets, especially when that molecular/nebula cloud is
situated near a given star that’s also reacting to being surrounded by
this temporary or migratory dense cloud of molecular mass. Perhaps
sufficiently dense molecular/nebula cloud of metallicity can produce
such new planets, especially when that molecular/nebula cloud is
situated near a given star that’s also reacting to being surrounded by
this nearby star could just as easily have been our sun when it
encountered yet another substantial cloud of heavy elements, such as
those molecular elements which obviously contributed to the making of
those nearby Sirius stars as of 250~300 million years ago.
No doubt any planets associated with Sirius(B) would have been hard
encountered yet another substantial cloud of heavy elements, such as
those molecular elements which obviously contributed to the making of
those nearby Sirius stars as of 250~300 million years ago.
pressed to stick with their original binary or trinary Sirius solar
system, especially as their parent star had lost near 8 fold of its
original mass, and having given off such a horrific red supergiant
wind or outflux of mass in the process of rapidly becoming a WD, and
so much so that perhaps other planets like Venus itself that once
belonged to the Sirius(B) solar system got set free, although it seems
more likely the molecular/nebula mass of that progenitor star system
of Sirius had more than sufficient reserve mass and radii to encompass
or engulf our sun.
This surrounding saturation of a metallicity rich molecular/nebula
cloud would have likely terminated most forms of terrestrial life as
we know is, as kind of wiping most of our biological slate clean as of
that most recent planet forming era.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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saul...@cox.net
Jan 17, 2012, 8:12:50 PM1/17/12
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NO YOU FUCKING VILLAGE IDIOT!
Saul Levy
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:25:34 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Could a new planet ever be created within an existing and well
>established solar system?
>
> Brad Guth, I'M BRAIN DEAD!
Saul Levy
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:25:34 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Could a new planet ever be created within an existing and well
>established solar system?
>
Brad Guth
Jan 18, 2012, 12:37:04 AM1/18/12
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Could a new planet ever be created within an existing and well
established solar system?
established solar system?
Perhaps creating an entirely newish planet like Venus isn’t nearly as
hard or unlikely to come by as once thought. Considering all of the
spare energy and mass that’s floating about our galaxy (mostly outside
of our established solar system), how improbable is it for a new
planet to get created within our solar system?
Was Venus captured or was it simply created as somewhat materialized
more recently on the fly(so to speak), such as when that truly
enormous and massive molecular/nebula cloud which created those
terrific nearby Sirius stars had also surrounded and engulfed our sun
for those thousands and perhaps a million some odd years before
getting blown away by those absolutely horrific Sirius winds
(especially from Sirius B)?
We’re being told by our ever vigilant science overlord peers and
of our established solar system), how improbable is it for a new
planet to get created within our solar system?
Was Venus captured or was it simply created as somewhat materialized
more recently on the fly(so to speak), such as when that truly
enormous and massive molecular/nebula cloud which created those
terrific nearby Sirius stars had also surrounded and engulfed our sun
for those thousands and perhaps a million some odd years before
getting blown away by those absolutely horrific Sirius winds
(especially from Sirius B)?
masters of FUD that seem to go out of their way in order to topic/
author stalk and mostly to systematically discredit anything offered,
and telling us that planet creation is quite similar to stellar
creation, in that any sufficiently dense molecular/nebula cloud of
metallicity can produce such new planets, especially when that
molecular/nebula cloud is situated near a given star that’s also
reacting to being surrounded by this temporary or migratory dense
cloud of molecular mass. Perhaps this nearby star could just as
easily have been our sun when it encountered yet another substantial
cloud of heavy elements, such as those molecular elements which
obviously contributed to the making of those nearby Sirius stars as of
250~300 million years ago.
No doubt any planets associated with Sirius(B) would have been hard
pressed to stick with their original binary or trinary Sirius solar
system, especially as their parent star had lost near 8 fold of its
original mass, and having given off such a horrific red supergiant
wind or outflux of mass in the process of rapidly becoming a WD, and
so much so that perhaps other planets like Venus itself that once
belonged to the Sirius(B) solar system got set free before they’d
metallicity can produce such new planets, especially when that
molecular/nebula cloud is situated near a given star that’s also
reacting to being surrounded by this temporary or migratory dense
cloud of molecular mass. Perhaps this nearby star could just as
easily have been our sun when it encountered yet another substantial
cloud of heavy elements, such as those molecular elements which
obviously contributed to the making of those nearby Sirius stars as of
250~300 million years ago.
No doubt any planets associated with Sirius(B) would have been hard
pressed to stick with their original binary or trinary Sirius solar
system, especially as their parent star had lost near 8 fold of its
original mass, and having given off such a horrific red supergiant
wind or outflux of mass in the process of rapidly becoming a WD, and
so much so that perhaps other planets like Venus itself that once
slowed down enough to hold onto their depleted star, although it seems
more likely the molecular/nebula mass of that progenitor star system
of Sirius had more than sufficient reserve mass and volumetric radii
to have encompassed or engulfed our sun.
This surrounding saturation of having such a metallicity rich
molecular/nebula cloud of perhaps 2.5e37 kg would have likely
terminated most forms of terrestrial life as we’ve known it, as kind
of wiping most of our biological and evolution slates clean as of that
most recent planet forming era. At least this could help explain why
Venus is keeping itself so extra hot from the inside out, in addition
to the solar influx making its global environment much worse.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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Brad Guth
Jan 18, 2012, 10:51:45 AM1/18/12
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This second interpretation of our solar system being surrounded by a
molecular mass, of having encountered such a metallicity rich nebula
cloud of perhaps 2.5e37 kg, would have likely terminated most forms of
terrestrial life as we’ve known it, as kind of wiping most of our
biological and evolution slates clean as of that most recent planet
forming era. At least a common event like this could help explain why
biological and evolution slates clean as of that most recent planet
Venus is keeping itself so extra hot from the inside out (as though
the planet just isn’t old enough to have cooled off), in addition to
the solar influx making its global environment much worse. This type
of planet creation might also explain why its spin is so minimal.
Perhaps this type of delayed planet creation might also help to
explain why its spin is so minimal, because it never had conventional
spin from a newish star to start off with.
Before I honestly had no idea that planets themselves could be
produced from molecular/nebula clouds w/o involving any newish star,
whereas instead just about any old star would do as long as a
sufficient cloud of molecular/nebula mass came by or was passing
through.
This method of planet creation within an established solar system
would seem to be logical enough, and it should help us to understand
that we have far more planets than stars to deal with. No doubt our
sun would have reacted to this passing nebula cloud that had been
creating those nearby Sirius stars, and this too should have
negatively impacted our planet during this encounter that lasted
several thousand years, disrupting and likely modifying most forms of
complex evolution (including those of our human species).
250 million years ago is also roughly when those ice-ages started to
materialize, although this local thermodynamic freeze/thaw cycle could
still be unrelated as to other stars.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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Brad Guth
Jan 18, 2012, 2:08:19 PM1/18/12
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For some odd or happenstance reasons, my limited public schooling and
continued mainstream indoctrination in astronomy and physics had me
thinking that planets only got created along with new progenitor stars
that spin quickly enough to initially fling off some of their heavy
elements before settling into their main sequence of fusion, and those
elements combined with the given metallicity of the surrounding
molecular/nebula cloud is what gave the vast bulk of those heavy
elements and the typical rotation or spin that new planets start off
with.
Obviously there was something terribly wrong with the rather
insignificant spin of Venus, and the matter of its geothermal activity
being so newish like, is what got me into rethinking that perhaps
instead of our solar system having captured a new planet, that instead
it simply got created on the fly (so to speak), as our well
established solar system encountered the very same molecular/nebula
cloud which created those impressive and nearby Sirius stars.
At first even this alternative planet creation method seems rather
unlikely, but I’ve been told by our resident astronomy and physics
wizards that any creation of a new star doesn’t necessarily mean that
planets need be created, however these same peers as well as others
have more recently speculated as I have, that our galaxy has more
planets than stars, and perhaps that’s even a hundred fold more if
we’re including those metallicity worthy items like our second moon/
asteroid Cruithne and larger. Being that our galaxy offers perhaps as
many as 1e12 stars (mostly of red dwarfs) is suggesting that by now
our galaxy could easily host as many as 1e14 planets, planetoids,
moons and significant asteroids, and that’s if only 10% of stars are
currently hosting a solar system of planets, because WDs having lost
their tidal radii grip on whatever planets originated with those
stars.
I’m betting the higher resolution and IR sensitivity of our spendy and
badly delayed JWST is going to identify some of these locally
wandering/rogue planets, whereas perhaps some of these may have
settled into our Oort cloud or caught in wildly elliptical orbits
between us and the nearby Sirius star system.
> http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/The_Unexpected_Temperature_Profile_...
continued mainstream indoctrination in astronomy and physics had me
thinking that planets only got created along with new progenitor stars
that spin quickly enough to initially fling off some of their heavy
elements before settling into their main sequence of fusion, and those
elements combined with the given metallicity of the surrounding
molecular/nebula cloud is what gave the vast bulk of those heavy
elements and the typical rotation or spin that new planets start off
with.
Obviously there was something terribly wrong with the rather
insignificant spin of Venus, and the matter of its geothermal activity
being so newish like, is what got me into rethinking that perhaps
instead of our solar system having captured a new planet, that instead
it simply got created on the fly (so to speak), as our well
established solar system encountered the very same molecular/nebula
cloud which created those impressive and nearby Sirius stars.
At first even this alternative planet creation method seems rather
unlikely, but I’ve been told by our resident astronomy and physics
wizards that any creation of a new star doesn’t necessarily mean that
planets need be created, however these same peers as well as others
have more recently speculated as I have, that our galaxy has more
planets than stars, and perhaps that’s even a hundred fold more if
we’re including those metallicity worthy items like our second moon/
asteroid Cruithne and larger. Being that our galaxy offers perhaps as
many as 1e12 stars (mostly of red dwarfs) is suggesting that by now
our galaxy could easily host as many as 1e14 planets, planetoids,
moons and significant asteroids, and that’s if only 10% of stars are
currently hosting a solar system of planets, because WDs having lost
their tidal radii grip on whatever planets originated with those
stars.
I’m betting the higher resolution and IR sensitivity of our spendy and
badly delayed JWST is going to identify some of these locally
wandering/rogue planets, whereas perhaps some of these may have
settled into our Oort cloud or caught in wildly elliptical orbits
between us and the nearby Sirius star system.
saul...@cox.net
Jan 18, 2012, 4:48:55 PM1/18/12
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INSANE BULLSHIT, FUCKING VILLAGE IDIOT THAT YOU ARE!
YOU ARE VERY INSANE, GOOF!
Saul Levy
On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:08:19 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>For some odd or happenstance reasons, my limited public schooling and
>continued mainstream indoctrination in astronomy and physics had me
>thinking that planets only got created along with new progenitor stars
>that spin quickly enough to initially fling off some of their heavy
>elements before settling into their main sequence of fusion, and those
>elements combined with the given metallicity of the surrounding
>molecular/nebula cloud is what gave the vast bulk of those heavy
>elements and the typical rotation or spin that new planets start off
>with.
>
> Brad Guth, I'M SO HAPPY I'M INSANE!
YOU ARE VERY INSANE, GOOF!
Saul Levy
On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:08:19 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>For some odd or happenstance reasons, my limited public schooling and
>continued mainstream indoctrination in astronomy and physics had me
>thinking that planets only got created along with new progenitor stars
>that spin quickly enough to initially fling off some of their heavy
>elements before settling into their main sequence of fusion, and those
>elements combined with the given metallicity of the surrounding
>molecular/nebula cloud is what gave the vast bulk of those heavy
>elements and the typical rotation or spin that new planets start off
>with.
>
Brad Guth
Jan 19, 2012, 8:34:18 AM1/19/12
to
newsgroups read by a very limited number of K-12s and the independent
media, although they seem to be forbidden to share or contribute
anything.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/topics?hl=en
As the decades go on and the same old mainstream status quo of those
above whomever we elect or appoint remains in charge, the chances of
any K-12s even looking outside their failsafe cozy box becomes more
unlikely, and the same old social/political as well as faith-based
mantra of pretending and obfuscation that goes on and on isn’t
disrupted, because policing their own kind is simply not an option.
Apparently it’s their mainstream mission-critical that the general
public be kept as intellectually snookered and dumbfounded past the
point of no return, as possible.
Unfortunately, what only a few others and myself have to say is going
to keep causing bumps in that mainstream road of artificial
complacency they have us on. By attempting to point out any other
deductive interpretations of the best available science, is kind of
like our trying to dismantle the Great Wall of China, or attempting to
edit most any Bible so that a more balanced and understandable version
of history can be told, as well as updating science and physics is
even worse at not allowing any revisions to their insider published
and textbook versions of just about everything, because they employ an
army of FUD-masters and clowns in order to topic/author stalk and bash
us outsiders for all they can muster.
In addition to our galaxy creating roughly 10 new stars and perhaps
1000 new planets, planetoids, moons and big nasty asteroids per year,
our galaxy also seems to have any number of spent solar systems as
having become white dwarf and subsequently having lost their
gravitational grip on its planets, planetoids and those adjoining
moons plus countless asteroids, as having been set free to migrate off
in all directions. Unless there is something other than gravity
holding everything of orbital dynamics together, this tally of rogue/
wandering planets and other spent solar system items could be rather
considerable, especially extra numerous if planets themselves can be
created from molecular/nebula clouds without any need of a spinning
progenitor star.
Brad Guth
Jan 22, 2012, 1:50:45 AM1/22/12
to
I’m told by the local expertise of others in Usenet/newsgroups, that
often claim to be peers of equal or greater than Einstein worth, that
planet creation is essentially the exact same molecular binding and
gravity accumulation plus compression process as creating a new star
(except planets tend to be more favoring those heavier elements of
metallicity, perhaps because they don’t need to spin up so fast as
those progenitor stars tend to do), and I’m told that creating a new
planet need not even involve the creation of a new star. If this is
even remotely so, say one new planet out of ten getting created out of
stellar wedlock could easily help put the number of available planet
like items at or above a thousand fold greater number than stars (most
of which being red dwarfs).
This independent planet creation process is actually good news for
those of us looking for those viable exoplanets that might some day
represent our next great leap forward instead of our having to
miserably die off on this badly depleted and cranky populated planet
that has simply gotten too dysfunctional and no longer big enough. A
good sized wandering gas giant with Earth sized moons could be the
next best alternative to conventional solar systems that have a
problematic sun.
However, if a sufficient molecular/nebula cloud density were to pass
through our solar system, and our sun were to react in order to
contribute sizable CMEs of 1e15 kg or greater, might tend to suggest
that a newish planet of sufficient metallicity could materialize, say
within a couple million years should enable sufficient collection of
nebula metallicity in order to do the trick.
At first it seems highly unlikely that such a planet formation within
our solar system could manage to gain sufficient mass/sec from a
million plus years. However, at that time our sun which should have
been reacting badly to all of the surrounding nebula cloud that’s
passing through, could have conceivably been excited enough as to
tossing away 10 million tonnes per second, and if only 0.1% of that
got picked up by this newish forming planet is by itself only worth
1e7 kg/sec, but that’s not including whatever CMEs plus nebula
metallicity mass that should have been getting directly picked up.
At any rate, a good million some years worth of collecting local CMEs
and nebula molecular metallicity mass, should at least be a very good
start towards forming a newish planet like Venus that only needs
accumulate 4.9e24 kg. If that all had to happen within a million
years would require 1.55e11 kg/sec, and if using a much longer
timeline of 10 million years would require a growth rate of 1.55e10 kg/
sec. At this point I’m not quite willing to speculate that either
could happen unless our sun reacted badly enough to that nebula cloud
in order to cause those numerous CMEs of sufficient mass. More than
likely a small planetoid or a large moon had already existed before
the nebula cloud arrived, and this existing item got perturbed or
deposited into roughly assuming the Venus orbit. Of course any
wandering/rogue planet arriving with the nebula cloud would have
extensively developed itself along the way.
often claim to be peers of equal or greater than Einstein worth, that
planet creation is essentially the exact same molecular binding and
gravity accumulation plus compression process as creating a new star
(except planets tend to be more favoring those heavier elements of
metallicity, perhaps because they don’t need to spin up so fast as
those progenitor stars tend to do), and I’m told that creating a new
planet need not even involve the creation of a new star. If this is
even remotely so, say one new planet out of ten getting created out of
stellar wedlock could easily help put the number of available planet
like items at or above a thousand fold greater number than stars (most
of which being red dwarfs).
This independent planet creation process is actually good news for
those of us looking for those viable exoplanets that might some day
represent our next great leap forward instead of our having to
miserably die off on this badly depleted and cranky populated planet
that has simply gotten too dysfunctional and no longer big enough. A
good sized wandering gas giant with Earth sized moons could be the
next best alternative to conventional solar systems that have a
problematic sun.
However, if a sufficient molecular/nebula cloud density were to pass
through our solar system, and our sun were to react in order to
contribute sizable CMEs of 1e15 kg or greater, might tend to suggest
that a newish planet of sufficient metallicity could materialize, say
within a couple million years should enable sufficient collection of
nebula metallicity in order to do the trick.
At first it seems highly unlikely that such a planet formation within
our solar system could manage to gain sufficient mass/sec from a
million plus years. However, at that time our sun which should have
been reacting badly to all of the surrounding nebula cloud that’s
passing through, could have conceivably been excited enough as to
tossing away 10 million tonnes per second, and if only 0.1% of that
got picked up by this newish forming planet is by itself only worth
1e7 kg/sec, but that’s not including whatever CMEs plus nebula
metallicity mass that should have been getting directly picked up.
At any rate, a good million some years worth of collecting local CMEs
and nebula molecular metallicity mass, should at least be a very good
start towards forming a newish planet like Venus that only needs
accumulate 4.9e24 kg. If that all had to happen within a million
years would require 1.55e11 kg/sec, and if using a much longer
timeline of 10 million years would require a growth rate of 1.55e10 kg/
sec. At this point I’m not quite willing to speculate that either
could happen unless our sun reacted badly enough to that nebula cloud
in order to cause those numerous CMEs of sufficient mass. More than
likely a small planetoid or a large moon had already existed before
the nebula cloud arrived, and this existing item got perturbed or
deposited into roughly assuming the Venus orbit. Of course any
wandering/rogue planet arriving with the nebula cloud would have
extensively developed itself along the way.
Brad Guth
Jan 22, 2012, 9:05:11 AM1/22/12
to
I’m told by the local expertise of others in Usenet/newsgroups, that
often claim to be peers of equal or greater worth than Einstein, that
planet creation is essentially the exact same molecular binding and
gravity accumulation plus compression process as creating a new star
(except planets tend to be more favoring those heavier elements of
metallicity, perhaps because they don’t need to spin up so fast as
those progenitor stars tend to do), and I’m told that creating a new
planet need not even involve the creation of a new star. If this is
even remotely so, say one new planet out of ten getting created out of
stellar wedlock could easily help put the number of available planet
like items at or above a thousand fold greater number than stars (most
of which being red dwarfs).
This independent planet creation process is actually good news for
those of us looking for those viable exoplanets that might some day
represent our next great leap forward instead of our having to
miserably die off on this badly depleted and cranky populated planet
that has simply gotten too dysfunctional and no longer big enough. A
good sized wandering gas giant with Earth sized moons could be the
next best alternative to conventional solar systems that have a
problematic sun.
However, if a sufficient molecular/nebula cloud density of 200 light
gravity accumulation plus compression process as creating a new star
(except planets tend to be more favoring those heavier elements of
metallicity, perhaps because they don’t need to spin up so fast as
those progenitor stars tend to do), and I’m told that creating a new
planet need not even involve the creation of a new star. If this is
even remotely so, say one new planet out of ten getting created out of
stellar wedlock could easily help put the number of available planet
like items at or above a thousand fold greater number than stars (most
of which being red dwarfs).
This independent planet creation process is actually good news for
those of us looking for those viable exoplanets that might some day
represent our next great leap forward instead of our having to
miserably die off on this badly depleted and cranky populated planet
that has simply gotten too dysfunctional and no longer big enough. A
good sized wandering gas giant with Earth sized moons could be the
next best alternative to conventional solar systems that have a
problematic sun.
year diameter were to pass through our solar system, moving at say 30
km/sec and our sun were to react in order to contribute sizable CMEs
of 1e15 kg or greater, might tend to suggest that a newish planet of
sufficient metallicity could materialize, say within a couple million
years should enable sufficient collection of nebula metallicity in
order to do the trick.
At first it seems highly unlikely that such a planet formation within
our solar system could manage to gain sufficient mass/sec from a
million plus years. However, at that time our sun which should have
been reacting badly to all of the surrounding nebula cloud that’s
passing through, could have conceivably been excited enough as to
tossing away 10 million tonnes per second, and if only 0.1% of that
got picked up by this newish forming planet is by itself only worth
1e7 kg/sec, but that’s not including whatever CMEs plus nebula
metallicity mass that should have been getting directly picked up,
sufficient metallicity could materialize, say within a couple million
years should enable sufficient collection of nebula metallicity in
order to do the trick.
At first it seems highly unlikely that such a planet formation within
our solar system could manage to gain sufficient mass/sec from a
million plus years. However, at that time our sun which should have
been reacting badly to all of the surrounding nebula cloud that’s
passing through, could have conceivably been excited enough as to
tossing away 10 million tonnes per second, and if only 0.1% of that
got picked up by this newish forming planet is by itself only worth
1e7 kg/sec, but that’s not including whatever CMEs plus nebula
because that’s supposedly how our planet and others came to be, an end
product of stellar and nebula interactions.
At any rate, a good million some years worth of collecting local CMEs
and nebula molecular metallicity mass, should at least be a very good
start towards forming a newish planet like Venus that only needs
accumulate 4.9e24 kg. If that all had to happen within a million
years would require 1.55e11 kg/sec, and if using a much longer
timeline of 10 million years would require a growth rate of 1.55e10 kg/
sec. At this point I’m not quite willing to speculate that either
could happen unless our sun reacted badly enough to that nebula cloud
mass. More than likely a small planetoid or a large moon had already
existed before the nebula cloud arrived, and this existing item got
perturbed or deposited into roughly assuming the Venus orbit. Of
course any wandering/rogue planet arriving along with the nebula cloud
existed before the nebula cloud arrived, and this existing item got
perturbed or deposited into roughly assuming the Venus orbit. Of
would have extensively developed itself along the way before ever
reaching our solar system.
Brad Guth
Jan 22, 2012, 8:16:03 PM1/22/12
to
So it’s hot and at great pressure: so what?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h2GCotoleqFvfddZdb2tUhKpbxBQ?docId=CNG.113cd0c7de7b144690fc421deab49b3a.101
“Eyeless shrimps and white-tentacled anemones were photographed
bunched around cracks in the ocean floor spewing mineral-rich water
that may top 450 degrees Celsius (842 degree Fahrenheit), researchers
reported on Tuesday.”
Trying to figure out why Venus either got so freaking hot or never
cooled off is easier said than done, not to mention figuring out how
its rotational energy got spent. Perhaps the core of Venus is most
likely the whole fluid interior volume that’s below its relatively
thin crust. In other words, a mostly fluid core radius of perhaps
5800 km, with a 12 km average basalt crust thickness plus something
like another 240 km of molten granite, silicon dioxide running at
2000+ K and nicely lubricated by good old sulfur. From what little I
can interpret, it’s extremely difficult to estimate the porosity,
metallicity and average density of the surface bedrock. For all we
know the surface was extensively built up from basaltic silica poor
magma (not unlike parts of Earth), except with higher metallicity.
Perhaps the fluid innards of Venus are still rotating retrograde. At
least that could help explain the unusually slow rotation of its
crust, as well as to why it has been getting rid of 20.5 w/m2.
Venus seems to be cooling off:
http://www.esa.int/images/2008je003118-p11_enh_H.jpg
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Express/SEMUQCLXOWF_1.html#subhead4
All solar system bodies and/or chunks of spent or broken bodies have
their mostly paramagnetic metallicity (magnetic susceptibility) plus a
geothermal core of reserve or residual formation energy, including
those planetoids and asteroids as thermally cloaked by their solid icy
covered surface that typically represent a portion of the Oort cloud
mass, as carbon buckyball lampblack and nearly invisible to most
astronomy because such thick ice cover is actually another very good
insulator against the average 3e-8 w/m2 of IGM influx, or perhaps
worth as much IGM+ISM as 9e-3 w/m2 (20 K outside of molecular/nebula
clouds like the LMC or the black molecular/nebula of Barnard 68 that
offers 30 K down to as little as 10 K within its darkest core), that
gradually depletes unless having been sustained by some considerable
insulation or fueled by the natural radioactive decay/fission process,
and/or maintained by way of having a massive enough moon or binary
orbiting mass that’ll continually modulate the entire planet, like the
way our moon keeps this planet nicely modulated and a little extra
geodynamically active and toasty inside. In other words, nothing as
wandering/rogue within our galaxy, as naked and solid as any
physically dark planetoid or asteroid is ever going to see the
millennium when it get its core much below 25 K, unless it’s extremely
old and surrounded and thus shielded by something like Barnard 68
(supposedly the coldest polar craters on our physically dark moon are
worth 35 K or roughly 15 to 25 K above the IGM+ISM starshine).
Supposedly the most isolated IGM is only worth 2.7 K, although waves
of energy and molecular clouds of warmer elements seems to exist just
about everywhere an astronomer cares to look, so at the absolute very
worst any cryogenic iced surface of a intergalactic wandering/rogue
planet is ever going to feel is perhaps 3 K or 4.6e-8 w/m2, which is
seriously cold and even stealth to some of the best IR astronomy.
In other words, a sufficiently thick ice covered planet, planetoid or
moon isn’t going to be easily detected until it’s nearly upon us, no
matter how much residual, fission or tidal induced heating of its
innards is taking place.
The geothermal core heat of Mars is currently worth nearly zilch, as
perhaps worth an estimate of something like at most the successive
square root of 2000 per 2 km depth if going inward from its mostly
cryogenic surface. More than likely that core of Mars has cooled off
to something below 2000 K (suggesting that it’s roughly twice as hot
and likely several times the mass as offered by our lunar core). In
other words, we could pick up 47.7 K by going in the first 2 km by
using the successive square root of 2000 per each 2 km depth is what
becomes worth 44.7 K for that first 2 km depth, and that same method
amounts to contributing 62 K for the first 20 km depth, making its
core worth something like a cool 1750 K (62 K less than molten iron),
and our smaller lunar core seems to be worth roughly half that amount.
This rather crude method of estimating the geothermal gradient of
residual core energy should also work for our moon, using that same
square root of 2000 per each 2 km gives a core temperature of 921 K.
But since we can’t hardly manage to get ourselves safely to/from our
moon or much less Mars, it doesn’t hardly matter even if there was
another garden of Eden discovered, because for Mars there’s hardly
enough surface energy from the sun and thus far no apparent geothermal
vents available to keep a minimal robotic machine as barely operating
only by day. Naturally with better science we can further adjust this
swag formula of estimating the residual core energy, such as by using
the square root of 2500 per 1.5 km yields a 50 K benefit by going in
1.5 km, offers a 1216 K core temperature, though I kind of doubt it’s
anywhere near that toasty, much less fluid iron hot (1812 K) as some
might suggest. As for Earth using the square root of it’s radius per
every 1.5 km depth works out to a geothermal core of 5187 K, not
including the continuous tidal modulation of perhaps 55e-9 w/m3 and
the radiological decay generated heat of 24e-9 w/m3 would make this
estimate a tough call.
In other words, once 0.1 km or more below our surface or below .5 km
of solid ice is where whatever amount of solar influx is fully
nullified, and it’s only the residual core plus whatever radiological
decay plus any tidal modulation that counts, which is very good news
for all of those 5e12 wandering/rogue planets (some with Earth sized
moons) as having lost their original sun but otherwise perfectly
capable of sustaining any number of intelligent species that was able
to take full advantage of what residual and fission generated heat as
practically renewable energy situated just a short distance below
their cryogenic surface.
Venus is still another exceptional variation as to estimating its
geothermal gradient, especially since there’s hardly any solar tidal
and zero lunar tidal modulation, and it’s rather nicely better
atmospheric hothouse insulated than us. The geothermal heated surface
of Venus is likely sustained by having 3 to 4 times as much
radiological heating per m3, with its thorium getting primed by those
necessary protons from uranium and plutonium that’s created by the
ongoing internal fission decay process within and below its thin crust
that some geologist interpret as being only half as thick as ours and
perhaps only 300 million years old. Thus far, using the successive
square root of its radius and per km, I’ve got the geothermal core of
Venus pegged at 6140 K plus whatever boosted by the ongoing
radiological fissions of perhaps 75e-9 to 100e-9 w/m3 could easily
generate and sustain a radiological fission boosted core heat that’s
worth perhaps 7000 K, and for any nearby planet of that
thermodynamically active volume is actually quite impressive. In
other words, if a planet like Venus were to get set free to roam about
the galaxy as a wandering/rogue planet, it would still have a robust
atmosphere and a its very geothermal made toasty surface for many
millions or possibly billions of years to come, though offering a
somewhat cooler surface because of the lack of any solar influx would
likely cause that surface to better solidify and atmospheric
temperatures to drop by a good 100~300 K (somewhat depending on local
geothermal ventings and those active volcanic considerations), making
parts of that surface kind of thermally conducive to life as we know
it, though hardly anything Eden worthy, and its purely upper cryogenic
atmosphere that’s kept aloft by the greater density and buoyancy of
the warmer atmosphere below, would likely keep it cloaked to most
forms of astronomy other than the likes of JWST and radio-astronomy
that has no problems detecting such LWIR and the submillimeter
spectrum that would detect such seemingly icy cold shrouded items as
hosting a hot oasis wandering in the otherwise cold ISM.
The best available science indications as to the extra metallicity and
rather enormous geothermal gradient of Venus is that of an actively
fluid interior at just a few km under its 750 K toasty surface of a
thin metallicity basalt crust that’s already identified as saturated
with considerable uranium and thorium deposits, meaning that the
ultimate mother-load of its precious and common metallicity is going
to be the entire planet Venus. However, it seems only planets that
have been mainstream Goldilocks approved are getting any media or K-12
attention, and who in their right mind would knowingly send only our
most dumbfounded and naked Goldilocks to Venus, and otherwise what
exactly would any Goldilocks even know of or care about metallicity?
After all, most of us public educated K12s have been so intellectually
deprived that they don’t even know what any terminology of
metallicity, paramagnetic or diamagnetic even means, and they
certainly can not appreciate the values of such elements, nor
accomplish any independent investigative research or much less
deductively interpret anything for the greater benefit of themselves
and others (too busy with their important texting, video gaming and
swapping pirated music and video material), especially put off with
the usual gauntlet of intellectual oligarch parrots like our
mainstream of those mostly public-funded as brown-nosed clowns and FUD-
masters as their peers telling them whatever they can or can not
interpret. Fortunately, most K-12s can not even begin to comprehend
the depth and scope by which their faith and its government has
snookered them by way of compartmentalization and obfuscation, which
naturally isn’t supposed to be the same thing as telling us lies.
Btw, thus far the record is perfectly clear if you should blow any
whistle, because the odds are that you’ll lose everything and even end
up doing hard time, or at best die of old age before anything ever
gets resolved, because your government and those corporations in
charge are apparently entitled to unlimited do-overs and spendy
mistakes that are supposed cost the rest of us dearly.
On the other Ove-Glove protected hand, that truly geothermal driven
plus unavoidably greenhouse hellish environmental unfriendliness of
Venus doesn’t mean we still can’t go there and proceed to take as much
metallicity as we like. No doubt the ‘Ove Glove’ is going to become
standard issue, as well as wearing a thermal barrier suit that’s
probably created by the same “made in China” Ove Glove product that’s
upgraded by having been outfitted with its own circulatory heat
exchanging, so that stepping outside to pee or poop isn’t going to get
lethal (just kidding, because by then we’ll have those $100M
toilets). In other words, applied physics and reasonably good
technology is clearly going to be required for this one, as well as
most every other off-world location we can think of (including our
hellish moon whereas our guys with all of their “right stuff” had no
problems nor even any operational indications for getting rid of their
surplus body heat). This is not to say that technological
complications and otherwise having to adapt ourselves to that hellish
environment of Venus isn’t going to take some extra special efforts
whenever going outside of controlled habitats.
Of course we few investigative independents always have the usual
media gauntlet of public funded naysay jokers and FUD-masters within
these public Usenet/newsgroups, as well as saturated within most other
public accessible forums that also can’t hardly think for themselves,
other than to mainstream parrot and/or thinking of new and improved
ways to topic/author stalk, discredit and/or simply trashing and
taking advantage of anyone that’s independently thinking or at risk of
making a difference for the greater good. This sort of mainstream
approved naysay coordinated opposition will typically insist that any
such off-world expeditions (no matters how nearby and/or technically
doable) are doomed to failure because our Earth is supposed to be the
one and only suitable planet for accommodating any form of intelligent
life. Usually these individuals are having to hide behind bogus IDs
and are kind of out of shape and/or disfigured folks as somewhat
unhealthy dysfunctionals or shut-ins, that often have little or
nothing of their own accomplishments to contribute before dieing off
at a somewhat early age, so they usually parrot and invoke FUD (Fear,
Uncertainty and Doubt) as they indulge their public funded way of
living large, and taking full credit for their mainstream status quo,
plus always in denial of ever having done anything the least bit
wrong, as they so often focus upon destroying all others for sport is
typically the best these jokers can ever manage is not only accepted
but kind of required by those of their kind, because you can’t hardly
have a bogus or false flag war unless everyone is onboard as happy
campers.
In spite of this persistent gauntlet of 99.9% mainstream disproval, it
seems off-world mining, processing and exporting refined elements of
rare metallicity back to Earth is going to be much less problematic
whenever you have unlimited local energy, and it only gets way better
yet when there are none of those usual naysay protestors to contend
with. Of course we can all see the corporate likes of BP and other
Big Energy doing those really stupid and risky sorts of stuff, because
they have absolutely no regard as to protecting human life nor the
environment, other than fastidiously put to good use within their
carefully staged and orchestrated PR campaigns, and for the usual
pandering they provide to whatever government regulatory agencies
getting in their way or withholding public loot, thereby insuring that
in the end we consumers always get to pay for everything (especially
paying for their screw-ups). Of course our indoctrinated K12s have
been systematically educated or rather ulterior indoctrinated as to
think otherwise, so that the likes of BP and their puppet
government(s) can essentially get unlimited do-overs with little or no
actual negative consequences to any of their offshore bank accounts.
Any such extremely distant exoplanet such as Kepler 22b that offers a
potentially Goldilocks hulk worthy Eden at perhaps twice our local
gravity is quite naturally going to be interesting to ponder, although
at 600 light years distance is kind of putting that large and
supposedly water-world in a kind of no-win situation as far as
anything we might seriously consider as a second Earth or Eden worthy
of accommodating our hybrid human hulks or perhaps exoskeletal types
that have been evolved or intelligent design engineered with at least
half again the bone or outer shell mass in order to deal with such
gravity, not to mention that it’s atmosphere could easily be worth 100
kg/m3 buoyancy plus 125 bar(1813 psi) is going to make most of our
educated folks cringe (not that such pressure and buoyancy can’t be
physiologically adapted to).
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Researchers-propose-system-to-find-life-elsewhere-2292416.php
"Habitability in a wider sense is not necessarily restricted to water
as a solvent or to a planet circling a star," the paper said. "For
example, the hydrocarbon lakes on Titan could host a different form of
life."
"Orphan planets wandering free of any central star could likewise
conceivably feature conditions suitable for some form of life,"
From spent solar systems, such worthy inner-galactic items as
wandering/rogue planets, planetoids and/or moons of sufficiently large
rocky or gas giants could easily amount to 5e12 items, so there’s
really no shortage of those to pick from, and if the innards of Earth
isn’t quite what we’d thought it was made of, then perhaps Venus and
our moon are each going to be full of surprises too.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/24/earth_core_silicon_perhaps/
In other words, in addition to conventional main sequence solar system
planets and whatever planetoids or moons to pick from, we should not
be so quick as to excluding those of WDs, as having been set free.
When a main sequence star goes kaput, its planets are gradually
released as mostly intact unless the final demise of their star was a
sudden nova or mostly certainly problematic when terminated by a
supernova event. Fortunately, most stars just manage to sequence out
gradually, letting go of their planets because their orbital velocity
didn’t slow down enough to stick with their spent star as having lost
any significant portion of its original mass. This means there are
probably a whole lot more wandering/rogue planets along with their
moons and significant planetoids plus bulky asteroids by now than
there are stars, and especially as possible accounting if we’re merely
including everything of an icy Sedna planetoid and larger class item
that’s no longer tidal bound to its original star. The spendy and
much delayed JWST should be capable of spotting some of those passing
nearby, although the vast majority (at least 99.9999%) of wandering/
rogue icy planets, planetoids and asteroids within our galaxy are
going to forever remain as invisible to us, because they are not
radiating much energy, as well as the galactic volume and distances
are simply so great.
Any newish acting planet like Venus or perhaps even those geologically
active moons of substantial gas giants will likely be surviving and
accommodating their versions of metallicity plus complex and even
intelligent other life without any local sun. This interpretation of
course increases the odds of such other wandering/rogue planets as
sustaining complex and conceivably intelligent other life, as being
considerably better than most faith-based and politically correct
mainstreamers would likely care to admit.
On Dec 5, 7:24 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/27/11 10:10 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> > On Nov 27, 7:53 pm, Sam Wormley<sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> How long can something function on Venus?
> > If it's electromechanically rated for full capacity loads at 811K, it
> > should run until something not heat related fails or wears out.
>
> Good Luck with that! Sounds expensive.
Yes indeed, whereas diamond ICs or even cold-cathode vacuum tubes are
going to be relatively spendy and certainly heavy alternatives, as
well as most other qualified electromechanical devices will not be
cheap, not to mention our having to create their spendy composite
rigid airship (initially telerobotic) could easily cost us a billion
(not including the cost of getting it there) unless we extensively
outsource to Russia for roughly half that cost. The relatively cool
Venus outpost/gateway or oasis at Venus L2 is also going to be spendy,
at perhaps costing at least 250 billion once everything is accounted
for accommodating a dozen or more humans that'll have to remain
deployed for each 19 month cycle, although getting monthly supplies
deployed to Venus L2 shouldn’t be interrupted for near half of each
cycle.
A fully manned composite rigid airship might cost as little as 2.5
billion (plus its delivery), and either directly utilized or having to
incorporate a suitable shuttle for getting folks to/from Venus L2 and
their composite rigid airship that most certainly isn’t going to be
cheap. So perhaps we should plan on investing a trillion dollars on
behalf of this conquest of Venus that’ll likely take a good decade in
order to accomplish. Though nowadays we seem intent upon casually
spending more than twice that much per year on false-flag and/or bogus
wars that are really about controlling and/or dominating our
terrestrial hydrocarbons and various metallicity issues in addition to
keeping ourselves foremost with global food resources, so there really
isn’t any shortage of public and private loot, now is there.
Hot environment digital imaging (even if using a diamond CCD imager)
would likely require active thermal management, although that's
certainly not unknown by physics or even insurmountable by existing
thermal management technology that actively cools imagers as is.
However, 1 meter or better SAR imaging resolution is certainly another
proven technology that’s within spec of existing radar imaging
technology that doesn’t involve optics or much less care if it’s day
or night, cloudy or not. Actually from cruising safely below those
thick and acidic nasty clouds might offer as good as 0.1 m/pixel of
SAR imaging resolution and otherwise 10 mm/pixel via CCD imaging.
http://www.innovationcooling.com/ICDDatasheet.htm
http://www.margaretmorrisbooks.com/diamond_microcircuitry.html
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/92170-nanodiamond-transistors-and-house-sized-computers-are-coming
Unlike the typical mainstream closed mindset of our current K-12s and
higher educated folks that usually claim to always be politically and
faith-based correct, plus knowing absolutely everything there is to
know and thereby having to explicitly believe in absolutely everything
K-12 textbook plus whatever our government and their agencies ever
have to say, whereas I've never once suggested accomplishing a hellish
planet like Venus was ever going to be cheap nor easy, however the
metallicity payback is most likely going to become a thousand fold
worth the investment (same goes for our moon that’s supposedly fly-by-
rocket simple to safely get ourselves to/from). The rest of this
topic will naturally continue to include references to those extremely
unusual looking items, as though representing structures and their
potential infrastructure of what either once existed or should still
exist as representing some other form of imported or indigenous
intelligent life. So don’t blame little old me if those patterns of
pixels keep looking as somewhat artificial and geometrically rational,
as though having been established by whatever intelligence managed to
put together in spite of that environment being so freaking hot.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h2GCotoleqFvfddZdb2tUhKpbxBQ?docId=CNG.113cd0c7de7b144690fc421deab49b3a.101
“Eyeless shrimps and white-tentacled anemones were photographed
bunched around cracks in the ocean floor spewing mineral-rich water
that may top 450 degrees Celsius (842 degree Fahrenheit), researchers
reported on Tuesday.”
Trying to figure out why Venus either got so freaking hot or never
cooled off is easier said than done, not to mention figuring out how
its rotational energy got spent. Perhaps the core of Venus is most
likely the whole fluid interior volume that’s below its relatively
thin crust. In other words, a mostly fluid core radius of perhaps
5800 km, with a 12 km average basalt crust thickness plus something
like another 240 km of molten granite, silicon dioxide running at
2000+ K and nicely lubricated by good old sulfur. From what little I
can interpret, it’s extremely difficult to estimate the porosity,
metallicity and average density of the surface bedrock. For all we
know the surface was extensively built up from basaltic silica poor
magma (not unlike parts of Earth), except with higher metallicity.
Perhaps the fluid innards of Venus are still rotating retrograde. At
least that could help explain the unusually slow rotation of its
crust, as well as to why it has been getting rid of 20.5 w/m2.
Venus seems to be cooling off:
http://www.esa.int/images/2008je003118-p11_enh_H.jpg
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Express/SEMUQCLXOWF_1.html#subhead4
All solar system bodies and/or chunks of spent or broken bodies have
their mostly paramagnetic metallicity (magnetic susceptibility) plus a
geothermal core of reserve or residual formation energy, including
those planetoids and asteroids as thermally cloaked by their solid icy
covered surface that typically represent a portion of the Oort cloud
mass, as carbon buckyball lampblack and nearly invisible to most
astronomy because such thick ice cover is actually another very good
insulator against the average 3e-8 w/m2 of IGM influx, or perhaps
worth as much IGM+ISM as 9e-3 w/m2 (20 K outside of molecular/nebula
clouds like the LMC or the black molecular/nebula of Barnard 68 that
offers 30 K down to as little as 10 K within its darkest core), that
gradually depletes unless having been sustained by some considerable
insulation or fueled by the natural radioactive decay/fission process,
and/or maintained by way of having a massive enough moon or binary
orbiting mass that’ll continually modulate the entire planet, like the
way our moon keeps this planet nicely modulated and a little extra
geodynamically active and toasty inside. In other words, nothing as
wandering/rogue within our galaxy, as naked and solid as any
physically dark planetoid or asteroid is ever going to see the
millennium when it get its core much below 25 K, unless it’s extremely
old and surrounded and thus shielded by something like Barnard 68
(supposedly the coldest polar craters on our physically dark moon are
worth 35 K or roughly 15 to 25 K above the IGM+ISM starshine).
Supposedly the most isolated IGM is only worth 2.7 K, although waves
of energy and molecular clouds of warmer elements seems to exist just
about everywhere an astronomer cares to look, so at the absolute very
worst any cryogenic iced surface of a intergalactic wandering/rogue
planet is ever going to feel is perhaps 3 K or 4.6e-8 w/m2, which is
seriously cold and even stealth to some of the best IR astronomy.
In other words, a sufficiently thick ice covered planet, planetoid or
moon isn’t going to be easily detected until it’s nearly upon us, no
matter how much residual, fission or tidal induced heating of its
innards is taking place.
The geothermal core heat of Mars is currently worth nearly zilch, as
perhaps worth an estimate of something like at most the successive
square root of 2000 per 2 km depth if going inward from its mostly
cryogenic surface. More than likely that core of Mars has cooled off
to something below 2000 K (suggesting that it’s roughly twice as hot
and likely several times the mass as offered by our lunar core). In
other words, we could pick up 47.7 K by going in the first 2 km by
using the successive square root of 2000 per each 2 km depth is what
becomes worth 44.7 K for that first 2 km depth, and that same method
amounts to contributing 62 K for the first 20 km depth, making its
core worth something like a cool 1750 K (62 K less than molten iron),
and our smaller lunar core seems to be worth roughly half that amount.
This rather crude method of estimating the geothermal gradient of
residual core energy should also work for our moon, using that same
square root of 2000 per each 2 km gives a core temperature of 921 K.
But since we can’t hardly manage to get ourselves safely to/from our
moon or much less Mars, it doesn’t hardly matter even if there was
another garden of Eden discovered, because for Mars there’s hardly
enough surface energy from the sun and thus far no apparent geothermal
vents available to keep a minimal robotic machine as barely operating
only by day. Naturally with better science we can further adjust this
swag formula of estimating the residual core energy, such as by using
the square root of 2500 per 1.5 km yields a 50 K benefit by going in
1.5 km, offers a 1216 K core temperature, though I kind of doubt it’s
anywhere near that toasty, much less fluid iron hot (1812 K) as some
might suggest. As for Earth using the square root of it’s radius per
every 1.5 km depth works out to a geothermal core of 5187 K, not
including the continuous tidal modulation of perhaps 55e-9 w/m3 and
the radiological decay generated heat of 24e-9 w/m3 would make this
estimate a tough call.
In other words, once 0.1 km or more below our surface or below .5 km
of solid ice is where whatever amount of solar influx is fully
nullified, and it’s only the residual core plus whatever radiological
decay plus any tidal modulation that counts, which is very good news
for all of those 5e12 wandering/rogue planets (some with Earth sized
moons) as having lost their original sun but otherwise perfectly
capable of sustaining any number of intelligent species that was able
to take full advantage of what residual and fission generated heat as
practically renewable energy situated just a short distance below
their cryogenic surface.
Venus is still another exceptional variation as to estimating its
geothermal gradient, especially since there’s hardly any solar tidal
and zero lunar tidal modulation, and it’s rather nicely better
atmospheric hothouse insulated than us. The geothermal heated surface
of Venus is likely sustained by having 3 to 4 times as much
radiological heating per m3, with its thorium getting primed by those
necessary protons from uranium and plutonium that’s created by the
ongoing internal fission decay process within and below its thin crust
that some geologist interpret as being only half as thick as ours and
perhaps only 300 million years old. Thus far, using the successive
square root of its radius and per km, I’ve got the geothermal core of
Venus pegged at 6140 K plus whatever boosted by the ongoing
radiological fissions of perhaps 75e-9 to 100e-9 w/m3 could easily
generate and sustain a radiological fission boosted core heat that’s
worth perhaps 7000 K, and for any nearby planet of that
thermodynamically active volume is actually quite impressive. In
other words, if a planet like Venus were to get set free to roam about
the galaxy as a wandering/rogue planet, it would still have a robust
atmosphere and a its very geothermal made toasty surface for many
millions or possibly billions of years to come, though offering a
somewhat cooler surface because of the lack of any solar influx would
likely cause that surface to better solidify and atmospheric
temperatures to drop by a good 100~300 K (somewhat depending on local
geothermal ventings and those active volcanic considerations), making
parts of that surface kind of thermally conducive to life as we know
it, though hardly anything Eden worthy, and its purely upper cryogenic
atmosphere that’s kept aloft by the greater density and buoyancy of
the warmer atmosphere below, would likely keep it cloaked to most
forms of astronomy other than the likes of JWST and radio-astronomy
that has no problems detecting such LWIR and the submillimeter
spectrum that would detect such seemingly icy cold shrouded items as
hosting a hot oasis wandering in the otherwise cold ISM.
The best available science indications as to the extra metallicity and
rather enormous geothermal gradient of Venus is that of an actively
fluid interior at just a few km under its 750 K toasty surface of a
thin metallicity basalt crust that’s already identified as saturated
with considerable uranium and thorium deposits, meaning that the
ultimate mother-load of its precious and common metallicity is going
to be the entire planet Venus. However, it seems only planets that
have been mainstream Goldilocks approved are getting any media or K-12
attention, and who in their right mind would knowingly send only our
most dumbfounded and naked Goldilocks to Venus, and otherwise what
exactly would any Goldilocks even know of or care about metallicity?
After all, most of us public educated K12s have been so intellectually
deprived that they don’t even know what any terminology of
metallicity, paramagnetic or diamagnetic even means, and they
certainly can not appreciate the values of such elements, nor
accomplish any independent investigative research or much less
deductively interpret anything for the greater benefit of themselves
and others (too busy with their important texting, video gaming and
swapping pirated music and video material), especially put off with
the usual gauntlet of intellectual oligarch parrots like our
mainstream of those mostly public-funded as brown-nosed clowns and FUD-
masters as their peers telling them whatever they can or can not
interpret. Fortunately, most K-12s can not even begin to comprehend
the depth and scope by which their faith and its government has
snookered them by way of compartmentalization and obfuscation, which
naturally isn’t supposed to be the same thing as telling us lies.
Btw, thus far the record is perfectly clear if you should blow any
whistle, because the odds are that you’ll lose everything and even end
up doing hard time, or at best die of old age before anything ever
gets resolved, because your government and those corporations in
charge are apparently entitled to unlimited do-overs and spendy
mistakes that are supposed cost the rest of us dearly.
On the other Ove-Glove protected hand, that truly geothermal driven
plus unavoidably greenhouse hellish environmental unfriendliness of
Venus doesn’t mean we still can’t go there and proceed to take as much
metallicity as we like. No doubt the ‘Ove Glove’ is going to become
standard issue, as well as wearing a thermal barrier suit that’s
probably created by the same “made in China” Ove Glove product that’s
upgraded by having been outfitted with its own circulatory heat
exchanging, so that stepping outside to pee or poop isn’t going to get
lethal (just kidding, because by then we’ll have those $100M
toilets). In other words, applied physics and reasonably good
technology is clearly going to be required for this one, as well as
most every other off-world location we can think of (including our
hellish moon whereas our guys with all of their “right stuff” had no
problems nor even any operational indications for getting rid of their
surplus body heat). This is not to say that technological
complications and otherwise having to adapt ourselves to that hellish
environment of Venus isn’t going to take some extra special efforts
whenever going outside of controlled habitats.
Of course we few investigative independents always have the usual
media gauntlet of public funded naysay jokers and FUD-masters within
these public Usenet/newsgroups, as well as saturated within most other
public accessible forums that also can’t hardly think for themselves,
other than to mainstream parrot and/or thinking of new and improved
ways to topic/author stalk, discredit and/or simply trashing and
taking advantage of anyone that’s independently thinking or at risk of
making a difference for the greater good. This sort of mainstream
approved naysay coordinated opposition will typically insist that any
such off-world expeditions (no matters how nearby and/or technically
doable) are doomed to failure because our Earth is supposed to be the
one and only suitable planet for accommodating any form of intelligent
life. Usually these individuals are having to hide behind bogus IDs
and are kind of out of shape and/or disfigured folks as somewhat
unhealthy dysfunctionals or shut-ins, that often have little or
nothing of their own accomplishments to contribute before dieing off
at a somewhat early age, so they usually parrot and invoke FUD (Fear,
Uncertainty and Doubt) as they indulge their public funded way of
living large, and taking full credit for their mainstream status quo,
plus always in denial of ever having done anything the least bit
wrong, as they so often focus upon destroying all others for sport is
typically the best these jokers can ever manage is not only accepted
but kind of required by those of their kind, because you can’t hardly
have a bogus or false flag war unless everyone is onboard as happy
campers.
In spite of this persistent gauntlet of 99.9% mainstream disproval, it
seems off-world mining, processing and exporting refined elements of
rare metallicity back to Earth is going to be much less problematic
whenever you have unlimited local energy, and it only gets way better
yet when there are none of those usual naysay protestors to contend
with. Of course we can all see the corporate likes of BP and other
Big Energy doing those really stupid and risky sorts of stuff, because
they have absolutely no regard as to protecting human life nor the
environment, other than fastidiously put to good use within their
carefully staged and orchestrated PR campaigns, and for the usual
pandering they provide to whatever government regulatory agencies
getting in their way or withholding public loot, thereby insuring that
in the end we consumers always get to pay for everything (especially
paying for their screw-ups). Of course our indoctrinated K12s have
been systematically educated or rather ulterior indoctrinated as to
think otherwise, so that the likes of BP and their puppet
government(s) can essentially get unlimited do-overs with little or no
actual negative consequences to any of their offshore bank accounts.
Any such extremely distant exoplanet such as Kepler 22b that offers a
potentially Goldilocks hulk worthy Eden at perhaps twice our local
gravity is quite naturally going to be interesting to ponder, although
at 600 light years distance is kind of putting that large and
supposedly water-world in a kind of no-win situation as far as
anything we might seriously consider as a second Earth or Eden worthy
of accommodating our hybrid human hulks or perhaps exoskeletal types
that have been evolved or intelligent design engineered with at least
half again the bone or outer shell mass in order to deal with such
gravity, not to mention that it’s atmosphere could easily be worth 100
kg/m3 buoyancy plus 125 bar(1813 psi) is going to make most of our
educated folks cringe (not that such pressure and buoyancy can’t be
physiologically adapted to).
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Researchers-propose-system-to-find-life-elsewhere-2292416.php
"Habitability in a wider sense is not necessarily restricted to water
as a solvent or to a planet circling a star," the paper said. "For
example, the hydrocarbon lakes on Titan could host a different form of
life."
"Orphan planets wandering free of any central star could likewise
conceivably feature conditions suitable for some form of life,"
From spent solar systems, such worthy inner-galactic items as
wandering/rogue planets, planetoids and/or moons of sufficiently large
rocky or gas giants could easily amount to 5e12 items, so there’s
really no shortage of those to pick from, and if the innards of Earth
isn’t quite what we’d thought it was made of, then perhaps Venus and
our moon are each going to be full of surprises too.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/24/earth_core_silicon_perhaps/
In other words, in addition to conventional main sequence solar system
planets and whatever planetoids or moons to pick from, we should not
be so quick as to excluding those of WDs, as having been set free.
When a main sequence star goes kaput, its planets are gradually
released as mostly intact unless the final demise of their star was a
sudden nova or mostly certainly problematic when terminated by a
supernova event. Fortunately, most stars just manage to sequence out
gradually, letting go of their planets because their orbital velocity
didn’t slow down enough to stick with their spent star as having lost
any significant portion of its original mass. This means there are
probably a whole lot more wandering/rogue planets along with their
moons and significant planetoids plus bulky asteroids by now than
there are stars, and especially as possible accounting if we’re merely
including everything of an icy Sedna planetoid and larger class item
that’s no longer tidal bound to its original star. The spendy and
much delayed JWST should be capable of spotting some of those passing
nearby, although the vast majority (at least 99.9999%) of wandering/
rogue icy planets, planetoids and asteroids within our galaxy are
going to forever remain as invisible to us, because they are not
radiating much energy, as well as the galactic volume and distances
are simply so great.
Any newish acting planet like Venus or perhaps even those geologically
active moons of substantial gas giants will likely be surviving and
accommodating their versions of metallicity plus complex and even
intelligent other life without any local sun. This interpretation of
course increases the odds of such other wandering/rogue planets as
sustaining complex and conceivably intelligent other life, as being
considerably better than most faith-based and politically correct
mainstreamers would likely care to admit.
On Dec 5, 7:24 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/27/11 10:10 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> > On Nov 27, 7:53 pm, Sam Wormley<sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> How long can something function on Venus?
> > If it's electromechanically rated for full capacity loads at 811K, it
> > should run until something not heat related fails or wears out.
>
> Good Luck with that! Sounds expensive.
Yes indeed, whereas diamond ICs or even cold-cathode vacuum tubes are
going to be relatively spendy and certainly heavy alternatives, as
well as most other qualified electromechanical devices will not be
cheap, not to mention our having to create their spendy composite
rigid airship (initially telerobotic) could easily cost us a billion
(not including the cost of getting it there) unless we extensively
outsource to Russia for roughly half that cost. The relatively cool
Venus outpost/gateway or oasis at Venus L2 is also going to be spendy,
at perhaps costing at least 250 billion once everything is accounted
for accommodating a dozen or more humans that'll have to remain
deployed for each 19 month cycle, although getting monthly supplies
deployed to Venus L2 shouldn’t be interrupted for near half of each
cycle.
A fully manned composite rigid airship might cost as little as 2.5
billion (plus its delivery), and either directly utilized or having to
incorporate a suitable shuttle for getting folks to/from Venus L2 and
their composite rigid airship that most certainly isn’t going to be
cheap. So perhaps we should plan on investing a trillion dollars on
behalf of this conquest of Venus that’ll likely take a good decade in
order to accomplish. Though nowadays we seem intent upon casually
spending more than twice that much per year on false-flag and/or bogus
wars that are really about controlling and/or dominating our
terrestrial hydrocarbons and various metallicity issues in addition to
keeping ourselves foremost with global food resources, so there really
isn’t any shortage of public and private loot, now is there.
Hot environment digital imaging (even if using a diamond CCD imager)
would likely require active thermal management, although that's
certainly not unknown by physics or even insurmountable by existing
thermal management technology that actively cools imagers as is.
However, 1 meter or better SAR imaging resolution is certainly another
proven technology that’s within spec of existing radar imaging
technology that doesn’t involve optics or much less care if it’s day
or night, cloudy or not. Actually from cruising safely below those
thick and acidic nasty clouds might offer as good as 0.1 m/pixel of
SAR imaging resolution and otherwise 10 mm/pixel via CCD imaging.
http://www.innovationcooling.com/ICDDatasheet.htm
http://www.margaretmorrisbooks.com/diamond_microcircuitry.html
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/92170-nanodiamond-transistors-and-house-sized-computers-are-coming
Unlike the typical mainstream closed mindset of our current K-12s and
higher educated folks that usually claim to always be politically and
faith-based correct, plus knowing absolutely everything there is to
know and thereby having to explicitly believe in absolutely everything
K-12 textbook plus whatever our government and their agencies ever
have to say, whereas I've never once suggested accomplishing a hellish
planet like Venus was ever going to be cheap nor easy, however the
metallicity payback is most likely going to become a thousand fold
worth the investment (same goes for our moon that’s supposedly fly-by-
rocket simple to safely get ourselves to/from). The rest of this
topic will naturally continue to include references to those extremely
unusual looking items, as though representing structures and their
potential infrastructure of what either once existed or should still
exist as representing some other form of imported or indigenous
intelligent life. So don’t blame little old me if those patterns of
pixels keep looking as somewhat artificial and geometrically rational,
as though having been established by whatever intelligence managed to
put together in spite of that environment being so freaking hot.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
Brad Guth
Jan 23, 2012, 2:20:39 PM1/23/12
to
Remote intercepting and/or interpreting intelligent life other than
terrestrial, is easier said than done, even from orbiting Earth isn’t
always a sure thing unless the form of life detected is either very
large or gathered in sufficient communities that developed substantial
infrastructure.
It’s perfectly clear that other wet planets do exist, and they exist
within the Goldilocks zone of many (perhaps most) other viable stars.
Adding in atmospheric pressure and temperature is certainly not a deal-
breaker when it comes down to another planet or moon hosting complex
forms of life. In fact atmospheric pressure and temperature should be
considered as something positive or at least constructively worth
having, as opposed to the Vacuum of Mars or worse being that of our
physically dark moon.
Of course the mainstream status quo is dominated by the most faith-
based kind of closed mindset that typically claim being Atheist and
even politically independent. The only problem is with their actions
that are clearly telling us what they represent isn’t Atheist nor
politically independent. These folks typically claim being peers of
Einstein, thereby knowing all there is to know, so that there’s noting
new or improved that can get past their naysay gauntlet.
Unfortunately, these same folks can’t seem honest as to who they
really are, so basically these Usenet/newsgroup overlords as topic/
author stalking pimps could be most anyone with ulterior motives or
simply doing their damage-control jobs of public media FUD-master and
otherwise brown-nosed clowns.
Roughly 0.00002% of our human intelligence evolution as of the last
300 million years involves modern radio, and perhaps only half of that
slight portion of our evolution represents the sort of focused
microwaves and laser beams ETs could possibly detect even if their
best technology had been specifically focused upon our solar system
with its one measly naked Goldilocks certified planet. So it’s kind
of hard to automatically exclude all other planets and moons as being
unlikely host of intelligence, especially when other solar systems
could be not only older than ours but having a more desirable sun.
Knowing that available energy is always key to any advanced forms of
intelligence not only surviving their own environments, but certainly
essential for whatever off-world explorations and the exploiting of
other worlds. Fortunately for the extremely nearby planet Venus,
there’s no shortage of local energy, and unlikely any mineral or
metallicity deficiency, not to mention the 500+ teratonnes of easily
accessible water held extensively within those acidic clouds, plus
always more water from within that geodynamically active planet that’s
continually being vented.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
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terrestrial, is easier said than done, even from orbiting Earth isn’t
always a sure thing unless the form of life detected is either very
large or gathered in sufficient communities that developed substantial
infrastructure.
It’s perfectly clear that other wet planets do exist, and they exist
within the Goldilocks zone of many (perhaps most) other viable stars.
Adding in atmospheric pressure and temperature is certainly not a deal-
breaker when it comes down to another planet or moon hosting complex
forms of life. In fact atmospheric pressure and temperature should be
considered as something positive or at least constructively worth
having, as opposed to the Vacuum of Mars or worse being that of our
physically dark moon.
Of course the mainstream status quo is dominated by the most faith-
based kind of closed mindset that typically claim being Atheist and
even politically independent. The only problem is with their actions
that are clearly telling us what they represent isn’t Atheist nor
politically independent. These folks typically claim being peers of
Einstein, thereby knowing all there is to know, so that there’s noting
new or improved that can get past their naysay gauntlet.
Unfortunately, these same folks can’t seem honest as to who they
really are, so basically these Usenet/newsgroup overlords as topic/
author stalking pimps could be most anyone with ulterior motives or
simply doing their damage-control jobs of public media FUD-master and
otherwise brown-nosed clowns.
Roughly 0.00002% of our human intelligence evolution as of the last
300 million years involves modern radio, and perhaps only half of that
slight portion of our evolution represents the sort of focused
microwaves and laser beams ETs could possibly detect even if their
best technology had been specifically focused upon our solar system
with its one measly naked Goldilocks certified planet. So it’s kind
of hard to automatically exclude all other planets and moons as being
unlikely host of intelligence, especially when other solar systems
could be not only older than ours but having a more desirable sun.
Knowing that available energy is always key to any advanced forms of
intelligence not only surviving their own environments, but certainly
essential for whatever off-world explorations and the exploiting of
other worlds. Fortunately for the extremely nearby planet Venus,
there’s no shortage of local energy, and unlikely any mineral or
metallicity deficiency, not to mention the 500+ teratonnes of easily
accessible water held extensively within those acidic clouds, plus
always more water from within that geodynamically active planet that’s
continually being vented.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
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Jan 23, 2012, 3:09:43 PM1/23/12
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All planets, moons and asteroids are essentially made of the exact
same original cosmic stuff that produced our galaxy. Obviously there
are secondary, third and other most recent stellar, planet, moon and
asteroid generation age differences, as well as wandering nebulas and
individual saturation differences plus always the random happenstance
wild-card of whatever novas and supernovas managed to stimulate some
of these assorted solar systems and wandering/rogue items of
sufficient water and metallicity, plus more than a few physical
encounters that seldom ended with anything better off than before.
Orbiting gamma spectrometry can resolve enough details as to the
surface metallicity of a given planet, moon or asteroid, as well as
capable of penetrating somewhat below its surface. At least that has
become mainstream science status quo as of more than a decade ago.
Unfortunately, that sort of public-funded science isn't being made
available except on a "need to know" and nondisclosure basis. So,
it’s kind of hard to tell what other planets and moons truly have to
offer, without our having to interpret the best available science that
is selectively released.
Remote intercepting and/or interpreting intelligent life other than
terrestrial, is easier said than done, even from orbiting Earth isn’t
always a sure thing unless the form of life detected is either very
large or gathered in sufficient communities that developed substantial
infrastructure.
It’s perfectly clear that other wet planets do exist, and they exist
within the Goldilocks zone of many (perhaps most) other viable stars.
Adding in atmospheric pressure and temperature is certainly not a deal-
breaker when it comes down to another planet or moon hosting complex
forms of life. In fact atmospheric pressure and temperature should be
considered as something positive or at least constructively worth
having, as opposed to the vacuum of Mars or worse being that of our
same original cosmic stuff that produced our galaxy. Obviously there
are secondary, third and other most recent stellar, planet, moon and
asteroid generation age differences, as well as wandering nebulas and
individual saturation differences plus always the random happenstance
wild-card of whatever novas and supernovas managed to stimulate some
of these assorted solar systems and wandering/rogue items of
sufficient water and metallicity, plus more than a few physical
encounters that seldom ended with anything better off than before.
Orbiting gamma spectrometry can resolve enough details as to the
surface metallicity of a given planet, moon or asteroid, as well as
capable of penetrating somewhat below its surface. At least that has
become mainstream science status quo as of more than a decade ago.
Unfortunately, that sort of public-funded science isn't being made
available except on a "need to know" and nondisclosure basis. So,
it’s kind of hard to tell what other planets and moons truly have to
offer, without our having to interpret the best available science that
is selectively released.
Remote intercepting and/or interpreting intelligent life other than
terrestrial, is easier said than done, even from orbiting Earth isn’t
always a sure thing unless the form of life detected is either very
large or gathered in sufficient communities that developed substantial
infrastructure.
It’s perfectly clear that other wet planets do exist, and they exist
within the Goldilocks zone of many (perhaps most) other viable stars.
Adding in atmospheric pressure and temperature is certainly not a deal-
breaker when it comes down to another planet or moon hosting complex
forms of life. In fact atmospheric pressure and temperature should be
considered as something positive or at least constructively worth
physically dark moon.
Of course the mainstream status quo is dominated by the most faith-
based kind of closed mindset that typically claim being Atheist and
even politically independent. The only problem is with their actions
that are clearly telling us what they represent isn’t Atheist nor
politically independent. These folks typically claim being peers of
Einstein, thereby knowing all there is to know, so that there’s noting
new or improved that can get past their naysay gauntlet.
Unfortunately, these same folks can’t seem honest as to who they
really are, so basically these Usenet/newsgroup overlords as topic/
author stalking pimps could be most anyone with ulterior motives or
simply doing their damage-control jobs of public media FUD-master and
otherwise brown-nosed clowns.
Roughly 0.00002% of our human intelligence evolution as of the last
300 million years involves modern radio, and perhaps only half of that
extremely slight portion of our evolution represents the sort of
Of course the mainstream status quo is dominated by the most faith-
based kind of closed mindset that typically claim being Atheist and
even politically independent. The only problem is with their actions
that are clearly telling us what they represent isn’t Atheist nor
politically independent. These folks typically claim being peers of
Einstein, thereby knowing all there is to know, so that there’s noting
new or improved that can get past their naysay gauntlet.
Unfortunately, these same folks can’t seem honest as to who they
really are, so basically these Usenet/newsgroup overlords as topic/
author stalking pimps could be most anyone with ulterior motives or
simply doing their damage-control jobs of public media FUD-master and
otherwise brown-nosed clowns.
Roughly 0.00002% of our human intelligence evolution as of the last
300 million years involves modern radio, and perhaps only half of that
focused microwaves and laser beams ETs could possibly detect even if
their best technology had been specifically focused upon our solar
system with its one measly naked Goldilocks certified planet. So it’s
kind of hard for myself to automatically exclude all other planets and
their best technology had been specifically focused upon our solar
system with its one measly naked Goldilocks certified planet. So it’s
moons as being unlikely host of intelligence, especially when other
solar systems could be not only older than ours but having a more
desirable sun.
Knowing that available energy is always key to any advanced forms of
intelligence not only surviving their own environments, but certainly
essential for whatever off-world explorations and the exploiting of
other worlds. Fortunately for the extremely nearby planet Venus,
there’s no shortage of local energy, and unlikely any mineral or
metallicity deficiency, not to mention the 500+ teratonnes of easily
accessible water held extensively within those acidic clouds, plus
always more water from within that geodynamically active planet that’s
continually being vented.
solar systems could be not only older than ours but having a more
desirable sun.
Knowing that available energy is always key to any advanced forms of
intelligence not only surviving their own environments, but certainly
essential for whatever off-world explorations and the exploiting of
other worlds. Fortunately for the extremely nearby planet Venus,
there’s no shortage of local energy, and unlikely any mineral or
metallicity deficiency, not to mention the 500+ teratonnes of easily
accessible water held extensively within those acidic clouds, plus
always more water from within that geodynamically active planet that’s
continually being vented.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
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http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
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Brad Guth
Jan 24, 2012, 12:50:59 AM1/24/12
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Now that we're having a really bad solar storm, there's hardly a peep
out of our resident parrots and FUD-masters.
out of our resident parrots and FUD-masters.
Brad Guth
Jan 24, 2012, 1:43:00 PM1/24/12
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No doubt whatsoever that the surface of Venus is one seriously hot
rock that seems to act as though it’s less than 300 million years
old. Considering that Venus has no moon to tidal modulate anything.
the geothermal heated surface is where the vast bulk of its
atmospheric heat comes from, and it is so much so geothermally and
geologically active that it’s creating that rather substantial
atmosphere with acidic clouds plus layers of haze worthy of at least
500 teratonnes of water, that at least is technically rather easily
accessible.
Unfortunately, our always warm and fuzzy mainstream status-quo (that’s
mostly public funded and otherwise Semitic) is pretty much all about
topic/author stalking others and protecting and/or hyping their own
mainstream faith-based version of “magical hocus-pocus” via
conditional physics and science obfuscation, especially justified and
defended to their death against any outsiders that might dare suggest
other interpretations, and the only valid reason(s) why they even
bother to topic/author stalk the likes of myself is because I happen
to represent a real bona fide threat.
This universe, our galaxy and even our insignificant speck of a solar
system are extremely complex, and yet with only a limited degree of
survival intelligence and applied physics is what makes a good deal of
it accessible to us, or to anyone else as having accomplished space
travel. Of course the mainstream status-quo isn’t buying into
anything that wasn’t entirely of their idea and authority to begin
with.
Obviously there are certain extremes that are off-limits, but clearly
our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus are not on any NO FLY
list.
rock that seems to act as though it’s less than 300 million years
old. Considering that Venus has no moon to tidal modulate anything.
the geothermal heated surface is where the vast bulk of its
atmospheric heat comes from, and it is so much so geothermally and
geologically active that it’s creating that rather substantial
atmosphere with acidic clouds plus layers of haze worthy of at least
500 teratonnes of water, that at least is technically rather easily
accessible.
Unfortunately, our always warm and fuzzy mainstream status-quo (that’s
mostly public funded and otherwise Semitic) is pretty much all about
topic/author stalking others and protecting and/or hyping their own
mainstream faith-based version of “magical hocus-pocus” via
conditional physics and science obfuscation, especially justified and
defended to their death against any outsiders that might dare suggest
other interpretations, and the only valid reason(s) why they even
bother to topic/author stalk the likes of myself is because I happen
to represent a real bona fide threat.
This universe, our galaxy and even our insignificant speck of a solar
system are extremely complex, and yet with only a limited degree of
survival intelligence and applied physics is what makes a good deal of
it accessible to us, or to anyone else as having accomplished space
travel. Of course the mainstream status-quo isn’t buying into
anything that wasn’t entirely of their idea and authority to begin
with.
Obviously there are certain extremes that are off-limits, but clearly
our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus are not on any NO FLY
list.
saul...@cox.net
Jan 24, 2012, 7:57:51 PM1/24/12
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SHUT THE FUCK UP, IMBECILE!
Saul Levy
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:43:00 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>No doubt whatsoever that the surface of Venus is one seriously hot
>rock that seems to act as though it’s less than 300 million years
>old. Considering that Venus has no moon to tidal modulate anything.
>the geothermal heated surface is where the vast bulk of its
>atmospheric heat comes from, and it is so much so geothermally and
>geologically active that it’s creating that rather substantial
>atmosphere with acidic clouds plus layers of haze worthy of at least
>500 teratonnes of water, that at least is technically rather easily
>accessible.
>
> Brad Guth, I AM AN IMBECILE!
Saul Levy
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:43:00 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>No doubt whatsoever that the surface of Venus is one seriously hot
>rock that seems to act as though it’s less than 300 million years
>old. Considering that Venus has no moon to tidal modulate anything.
>the geothermal heated surface is where the vast bulk of its
>atmospheric heat comes from, and it is so much so geothermally and
>geologically active that it’s creating that rather substantial
>atmosphere with acidic clouds plus layers of haze worthy of at least
>500 teratonnes of water, that at least is technically rather easily
>accessible.
>
Brad Guth
Jan 24, 2012, 9:58:38 PM1/24/12
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certainly an ideal and extremely nearby planet that’s easily
accessible otherwise. For at least one good thing about Venus, is
that it has a very nearby sister planet that’s cool and wet, as well
as getting somewhat overpopulated by its humanoids that seem kind of
cranky, as well as dysfunctional and/or helpless, except always
proficient at finding new and improved ways of killing themselves,
plus trashing their global environment seems to have become one of
their highest priorities.
On the other hand, modern technology and research always loves a good
challenge, and of course the laws of physics are always available to
anyone that wants to make something perfectly good out of those bad
and evil sorts of problematic situations. Unfortunately, none of this
analogy applies when those in charge are systematically opposed to
allowing anything new and improved, and thus absolutely refuse to so
much as look outside of their public-funded cozy little failsafe box.
Such mainstream protectionism isn’t anything new, but some of our
resident oligarchs and FUD-masters manage to take this public-funded
policy to new and improved levels of naysay, obfuscation and denial,
by simply excluding all other interpretations and/or banishing all
outsiders regardless of the consequences.
You most certainly don’t have to take my word for any of this, because
for as long as I can textbook and mainstream media remember about the
planet Venus, supposedly it’s too greenhouse hot and nasty for life as
we know it, and apparently that includes being too hot and nasty even
for the most intelligent likes of Einstein, William Mook or anyone
else that claims being so physics and science smart, apparently just
as getting somewhat overpopulated by its humanoids that seem kind of
cranky, as well as dysfunctional and/or helpless, except always
proficient at finding new and improved ways of killing themselves,
plus trashing their global environment seems to have become one of
their highest priorities.
On the other hand, modern technology and research always loves a good
challenge, and of course the laws of physics are always available to
anyone that wants to make something perfectly good out of those bad
and evil sorts of problematic situations. Unfortunately, none of this
analogy applies when those in charge are systematically opposed to
allowing anything new and improved, and thus absolutely refuse to so
much as look outside of their public-funded cozy little failsafe box.
Such mainstream protectionism isn’t anything new, but some of our
resident oligarchs and FUD-masters manage to take this public-funded
policy to new and improved levels of naysay, obfuscation and denial,
by simply excluding all other interpretations and/or banishing all
outsiders regardless of the consequences.
You most certainly don’t have to take my word for any of this, because
for as long as I can textbook and mainstream media remember about the
planet Venus, supposedly it’s too greenhouse hot and nasty for life as
we know it, and apparently that includes being too hot and nasty even
for the most intelligent likes of Einstein, William Mook or anyone
isn’t smart enough. However, perhaps we’re not being allowed to be
half as smart as we think, because it looks as though something other
than mother nature has once again beat us to the punch, so to speak.
And just because the closed mindset of our mainstream status-quo peers
keeps telling the rest of us what and how to think, is not actually a
social nor political requirement or mandate to follow suit unless it
has to do with keeping your job and friends. Naturally, if you
believe our ball fumbling government has never intentionally
obfuscated or having lied to us, then that too is going to remain as
problematic for those trying to follow along with my version of this
science of observationology, as to deductively interpreting that some
kind of intelligent other life existing/coexisting on Venus being
within the cards of what’s technically possible.
Of course my deductive image interpretation (aka observationology)
half as smart as we think, because it looks as though something other
than mother nature has once again beat us to the punch, so to speak.
And just because the closed mindset of our mainstream status-quo peers
keeps telling the rest of us what and how to think, is not actually a
social nor political requirement or mandate to follow suit unless it
has to do with keeping your job and friends. Naturally, if you
believe our ball fumbling government has never intentionally
obfuscated or having lied to us, then that too is going to remain as
problematic for those trying to follow along with my version of this
science of observationology, as to deductively interpreting that some
kind of intelligent other life existing/coexisting on Venus being
within the cards of what’s technically possible.
saul...@cox.net
Jan 24, 2012, 11:14:49 PM1/24/12
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THE USUAL AURORA BOREALIS, GOOF?
HOW MANY FOOLS HAS IT KILLED ALREADY?
NONE!
TOO BAD TOO!
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I EXPECTED THE PIG TO MENTION THIS TOO!
Saul Levy
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:50:59 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Now that we're having a really bad solar storm, there's hardly a peep
>out of our resident parrots and FUD-masters.
>
> Brad Guth, I AM THE GOOF: A SUPREME VILLAGE IDIOT!
HOW MANY FOOLS HAS IT KILLED ALREADY?
NONE!
TOO BAD TOO!
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I EXPECTED THE PIG TO MENTION THIS TOO!
Saul Levy
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:50:59 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Now that we're having a really bad solar storm, there's hardly a peep
>out of our resident parrots and FUD-masters.
>
Brad Guth
Jan 25, 2012, 8:38:23 AM1/25/12
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Systematic bias against the planet Venus:
It’s as though I’ve spotted and having pointed something out for over
11 years, as to what this extremely nearby planet seems to offer, and
that’s just not something that acceptable to the insiders of our NASA
or multiple other agencies that we outsides not allowed to upstage.
Therefore I’m treated worse than a whistleblower by those inside and
outside of our mainstream status-quo.
Not that our government and many of their perfectly super-terrific
agencies haven’t been red-flag colorblind, having let us down the
wrong path and dropped their balls more often than we care to admit,
but there’s also a serious class-action suit brewing on behalf of the
intellectual and scientific discrimination brewing against our DARPA
and NASA, with regards to their denial and obfuscation (evidence
excluding) about our physically dark moon and the extremely nearby
planet Venus, whereas in spite of this banishment the public is hereby
invited and encouraged to have a look-see at what our DARPA and NASA
have been up to, as well as free to ponder as to what our government
agencies could have been and should have been doing with our trust and
hard earned loot.
Of course most everything that either turns out badly or even looks
fishy is usually compartmentalized and/or having been contracted out
to some other group(s), so that NASA and DARPA each become just the
mission bus drivers whenever a given mission flops.
Foremost necessity in this topic; if you can’t deductively interpret
an image, then simply don’t bother yourself because it’s going to be
impossible to change your typically closed mindset, regardless of the
independent research and educated interpretations by others.
I’m just offering yet another friendly image interpretation plus a
little physics-101 reminder, saying that any planet with dense clouds
(especially such as those extremely robust and acidic clouds
surrounding Venus) typically manage a terrific job of reflecting and/
or deflecting considerably more solar energy than they manage to
absorb or allow through, and otherwise these clouds and the dense
atmosphere below manage to insulate or retain of what little solar
influx reaches the surface, and that even goes equally for our
planet. Not to mention what benefit those seriously thick, robust and
acidic (thermally conductive) atmosphere and clouds of Venus can only
manage to benefit any planet orbiting closer to the sun have to offer,
when those mostly cryogenic upper layer of clouds reflecting the vast
majority of that solar energy by each long season of day and still
allowing the solar influx plus geothermal energy via convection and
conductive transfer to essentially escape via radiating its surplus
energy away by each long season of nighttime, because there’s simply
no question that Venus is not within thermal balance when it has been
interpreted by others as upwelling considerable geothermal energy and
thus radiating on average 20.5 w/m2. This surplus energy radiation of
course interprets as though Venus is still actively cooling off,
exactly as other planet have..
Well below those acidic clouds and haze is a fairly calm and thermally
stable environment that keeps everything rather toasty at 720 K (+/-
15 K), unless you go all the way to either pole where the surface
temperatures directly below each polar vortex seldom get below 600 K
(just right for fast pressure cooking those frozen pizzas), and the
surface itself is somewhat hotter. However, in most locations the
surface is hotter than the atmosphere, and in hot spots it’s seriously
upwelling geothermal energy.
Even by day the upper third of those clouds (above 62 km) are kept
well below freezing, and by season of nighttime it’s the upper
volumetric two thirds that’s going cryogenic. So that’s hardly
representing any significant “greenhouse” that’s unable to
sufficiently reflect solar influx, nor are such acidic clouds
sufficiently insulative in order to stop the combined or composite
thermally conductive outflux.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_1.html
“The images show the temperature of the cloud tops at about 65 km
(40.4 miles) altitude. A darker region corresponds to higher
temperature and thus lower altitude. The center of the vortex, at a
temperature of about 250K (around minus 9.7 degrees Fahrenheit), is
the deepest zone, exhibiting the highest temperature. (Credit: ESA/
VIRTIS/INAF-IASF/Obs. de Paris-LESIA)”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110927171052.htm
Problem is, clearly some/most of us here in Usenet/newsgroups (a
public media gauntlet of perpetual naysay and denial and systematic
obfuscation that’s mostly populated by a collective of imposters and/
or FUD-masters that get to do as they please) that like to topic/
author stalk and parrot their mainstream status-quo mantra by
continually spewing their public-funded infomercials, plus otherwise
time spent fooling or clowning around and obviously wasting our
precious public funded time, talent and resources while pretending at
always being so Atheist wise, politically independent and all-knowing
by way of parroting and hyping their mainstream infomercials, thus
always representing the politically correct and faith-based approved
mindset that’s usually closed to revisions or allowing any change, as
though only they have been representing the one and only good side of
each and every mainstream status-quo topic or argument. Of course
that’s also what the likes of Hitler, GW Bush, Dick Cheney and
Kissinger always thought and/or insisted upon, and long before then it
was those Romans that supposedly had been the victors and supposedly
had pretty much everything going for themselves at the expense and
demise of others represented mostly by the lower 99.9% caste. It’s
also somewhat like the analogy of stepping out of an airplane without
a parachute, whereas everything seems perfectly fine and dandy up
until the hard landing, and right about now our dysfunctional NASA
that’s looking at a serious balloon payment coming due for their
previous refinancing and near zero return on investment, kinda needs a
darn good parachute that’ll represent a solid technological
advancement and discovery payback kind of win-win for humanity that’s
every bit as good or actually a whole lot better than walking on the
moon. At least that is what I believe our physically dark moon and
the extremely nearby planet Venus each have to offer, is a private and
commercial free-enterprise expansion of our human race in order to
survive the near future that’s getting downright spendy and somewhat
testy, whereas if we must remain terrestrial sequestered is only going
to become a little worse than merely testy without significant changes
to the ways and means that some of us think is perfectly okay as is.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
On Sep 3, 1:05 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/3/11 1:05 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> > If you don't believe in those pesky regular laws of physics, nor
> > accept the best available science and applied technology that can be
> > independently replicated, then by all means the extremely nearby
> > planet Venus is not for you or any other mainstream dumbfounded
> > Goldilocks.
>
> Scientists Perceive NASA Bias Against Venus
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-...
>
> "Venus would seem to be a tempting destination for planetary probes:
> conveniently close, and an extreme laboratory for atmospheric processes
> familiar on Earth. So why won't NASA send a mission there? That was the
> frustrated question coming from scientists at the annual meeting of
> NASA's Venus Exploration Analysis Group (VEXAG) near Washington, D.C.,
> on August 30-31. They perceive an agency bias against Venus, a planet
> that hasn't seen a U.S. mission since the Magellan probe radar-mapped
> its shrouded surface in the early 1990s, and which won't see one any
> time soon, after NASA this year rejected a bumper crop of Venus
> proposals. [Slide Show: 8 of the Most Extreme Places in the Solar System]
>
> "A lot of us are dismayed," says David Grinspoon, astrobiology curator
> at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science in Colorado, who is a
> co-investigator on several of the proposals. Some of the reasons for the
> planet's neglect are obvious: surface temperatures that would melt lead
> and thick clouds of sulfuric acid make data gathering a challenge for
> landers and orbiters alike. And unlike Mars Venus is neither a plausible
> haven for life nor a potential destination for astronauts.
>
> "But Grinspoon says that something more insidious is at work. Without
> new missions supplying data for analysis, funding for Venus research has
> dwindled, leading to fewer students entering the field and a smaller
> constituency to lobby for missions. "Because of this feedback loop, the
> community has shrunk," he says. Research grants mentioning Venus have
> accounted for just 2 percent of NASA's planetary-science funding since
> 2005".
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-nasa
Thanks for having provided that topic related news link, which only
goes to show that I'm not the only soul on Earth that's pulling at our
NASA strings and pushing those "Do-Not-Push" buttons of our mainstream
status quo that’s intent upon doing everything it can in order to
delay or entirely avoid our moon and the planet Venus. This kind of
news doesn't mean that I have to agree with each and every
interpretation or scientific motivation by Grinspoon, but at least
many if not most of his investigative interest are perfectly honest,
well enough founded and should be given some public support.
Obviously any official vote for another Venus mission is also a vote
for “Guth Venus”, so that’s kind of a big problem for our
dysfunctional NASA that clearly dropped the ball as of our Magellan
mission which enabled us to clearly see whatever Venus had to offer
(though be it at a low resolution that offered us a look-see at only
large scale items), whereas my research is only regarding such large
scale items and the physics and/or logic as to how such could even
exist within that pressure cooker environment.
There’s actually any number of existing ideas and notions as to how
and when intelligent other life created complex geometric items of
such large scale, although as of nowadays it’s technically possible
for visiting ETs (such as us supposedly intelligent humans) to deal
with that pressure cooker environment, not that it’ll ever become
another Goldilocks kind of naked compatible Eden unless artificially
terraformed and thereby forced by way of natural plus unnatural means
of cooling off. Of course you’d need a very substantially reflective
layer of clouds by day in order to fend off most of that 2650 w/m2 of
solar influx, and ideally some nighttime clearing of clouds or that of
a very thermally conductive atmosphere along with clouds in order to
get rid of all that solar influx (kind of like what Venus currently
has going for itself).
Here's that same old original boring monochrome and cloudless GIF
composite radar obtained image file (as raw and not having been
enlargement processed) that our mainstream status-quo has been so
deathly afraid others (including K12s) might actually look at and
interpret for themselves:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Without even downloading this public GIF monochrome image, you can
still screen zoom-in on the small area in question (of somewhat less
than 10% of the composite FOV), so as to keeping the raw 1:1 pixel
format and its rather limited resolution of 225 meters/pixel, and
thereby have yourself a perfectly good look-see at interpreting
whatever that sort of 225 meter per pixel resolution has to offer.
Here’s one of my basic 10:1 resampled enlargements, of the very same
small area of “Guth Venus” that I’ve pointed out to our NASA and
others of their Magellan team for more than the past decade, that’s
still offering a clean generic composite derivative like their
original (at least my research methology can be easily reversed and
independently replicated to suit any degree of potential topic/author
discrediting or assassination:
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
If you’d care to focus on interpreting anything specific, please feel
free to go right ahead and do so, because I’m not absolutely certain
that my deductive interpretation of what the image depicts is offering
the best or only observationology option.
There are methods of safely exploring and even for eventually
developing commercial applications for exploiting the planet Venus.
Of course a whole nearby planet like Venus is technically worth many
trillions in profit per year, and as far as I can tell there’s simply
no valid technical reasons as to why it and our trusty old moon can’t
be privately and commercially exploited for their unusually high
metallicity plus multiple other valuables.
Solar Powered Flight on Venus
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
and me) As of 2010 they employed near 14,000 and they are mostly
public funded but remain off-grid, so as the regular books do not make
them appear as any official agency or extension of our government
(kind of like their Federal Reserve that gets to operate as they
please). Just what we all need is yet another 14,000 spendy cloak and
dagger positions of FUD-masters and their spendy stealth
infrastructure to pay for, not to mention our having to pay for
whatever mistakes and cover-thy-butt expenses, though I'm certain the
Rothschilds and all the public funded ZNR/GOP redneck oligarchs really
don't mind spending our hard earn loot on any of this, not one bit.
The ongoing mainstream scientific discrimination against exploiting
our moon or Venus is entirely uncalled for, but never the less it’s a
well published matter of fact that anything proposed for commercially
or privately dealing with our moon or the extremely nearby planet
Venus is getting intentionally banished or systematically excluded by
those individuals of power and authority well above that of any
Presidential authority, that do not want myself or anyone else
getting an ounce of credit or any mention, is fairly obvious, because
they’d much rather higher the likes of secretive contracted services
like Qinetiq, or simply stick with their usual cabal of insiders that
already know how the game is played.
"Scientists Perceive NASA Bias Against Venus”
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-nasa
“Venus scientists fear neglect”
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110902/full/477145a.html
So, what's your personal take on this "NASA Bias Against Venus"?
“Venus is of less interest than Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto
and Asteroids. It's not like we can send a probe to the surface and
rover around or make optical photographs from orbit.” / Sam Wormley
Clearly there’s some of us that can’t hardly think inside the
mainstream box, much less even peek a little outside their cozy box,
and devout insiders that are usually public-funded and always strictly
compartmentalized plus clearly not permitted by policy to think at all
unless it’s within their less than 0.1% narrow expertise as to
physics, science and applied technology. So what may we ask is the
less than 0.1% narrow expertise or specialty (other than resident
parrot) of Sam Wormley.
And once again; so what if those surface atmospherics are acting kind
of gassy superfluid, mostly comprised of hot and relatively dry CO2.
(perhaps these perpetual naysayers are planning on only going to those
Goldilocks approved planets of Eden so that they can frolic in the
nude, which kind of eliminates Venus). However, if some of the water
on Earth came from icy comets or perhaps from encountering an icy
proto-moon (aka Selene), then perhaps once upon a time Venus got its
fair share.
You folks do realize that any hot and dry surface environment is
actually representing kind of an inert one, especially if the level of
O2 is minimal, and the only local teratonnes of acidic water are those
kept primarily within them terrific clouds that can be safely and
efficiently tapped for as much pure water on demand as you’d like.
Obviously numerous geothermal vents and active volcanic outflows would
contain new elements of O2 and H2 that shouldn’t have any problems
emerging as H2O (aka live steam along with multiple other raw
metallicity elements) plus lots of other atmospheric gas/vapor worthy
elements, but just like here on Earth, those new geothermal vented
elements can easily be identified, quantified and if need be avoided
and/or technically utilized.
Again: “Solar Powered Flight on Venus”
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
and little old me) As of 2010 they employ near 14,000 and they are
mostly public funded but remain off the regular books so that it
doesn’t appear as any official agency or extension of our government
(kind of like the oligarch Federal Reserve that gets to operate as
they damn well please).
Once again, this is just what we all need is having to feed yet
another 14,000 spendy cloak and dagger positions of mostly public
funded FUD-masters and their stealth infrastructure plus collateral
damage to pay for, not to mention our having to pay for whatever
agency mistakes and cover-thy-butt expenses. I'm certain the
Rothschilds and all the public funded ZNR/GOP redneck oligarchs don't
seem to mind spending our hard earn loot on any of this one bit. Good
thing we can always count on our NASA for having absolutely everything
under control, as always knowing best on how to get the most bang per
dollar. (isn’t that what K12s and the rest of us adults are all
supposed to think?)
BTW; just for others being a good investigative and open minded
sport, this request is to see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything within the following image that doesn’t quite look
of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or reaffirming
interpretation is stumped, then turn this over to a bunch of 5th
graders as a class science project.
Apparently any extremely nearby planet that gets to within nearly 100
LD(Lunar Distance), such as Venus does every 19 months, and is
essentially looking as though better tidal locked to us than the sun,
as such isn't worth our mainstream bother, even though it has more
than twice the surface metallicity of Earth. Go figure, how a
perfectly shuttle and/or composite rigid airship flyable planet like
Venus remains as forever mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated. If I
were President BHO, I'd seriously consider firing the entire bunch and
restart our NASA, DARPA, DoE, Pentagon and their Analex Corporation
(aka part of Qinetiq-NA that runs our NSA, CIA and MI6) from scratch,
as creating one consolidated agency similar to DHS that keeps itself
fully connected and open to the public as much as our national
security allows. Obviously our dysfunctional TSA, FBI, ATF, Border
Patrol and US Customs and possibly the USCG need to get themselves
consolidated, because as is they’re making fools of themselves
(especial those of our spendy TSA) as well as costing us lives and
multiple other collateral damage.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
It’s as though I’ve spotted and having pointed something out for over
11 years, as to what this extremely nearby planet seems to offer, and
that’s just not something that acceptable to the insiders of our NASA
or multiple other agencies that we outsides not allowed to upstage.
Therefore I’m treated worse than a whistleblower by those inside and
outside of our mainstream status-quo.
Not that our government and many of their perfectly super-terrific
agencies haven’t been red-flag colorblind, having let us down the
wrong path and dropped their balls more often than we care to admit,
but there’s also a serious class-action suit brewing on behalf of the
intellectual and scientific discrimination brewing against our DARPA
and NASA, with regards to their denial and obfuscation (evidence
excluding) about our physically dark moon and the extremely nearby
planet Venus, whereas in spite of this banishment the public is hereby
invited and encouraged to have a look-see at what our DARPA and NASA
have been up to, as well as free to ponder as to what our government
agencies could have been and should have been doing with our trust and
hard earned loot.
Of course most everything that either turns out badly or even looks
fishy is usually compartmentalized and/or having been contracted out
to some other group(s), so that NASA and DARPA each become just the
mission bus drivers whenever a given mission flops.
Foremost necessity in this topic; if you can’t deductively interpret
an image, then simply don’t bother yourself because it’s going to be
impossible to change your typically closed mindset, regardless of the
independent research and educated interpretations by others.
I’m just offering yet another friendly image interpretation plus a
little physics-101 reminder, saying that any planet with dense clouds
(especially such as those extremely robust and acidic clouds
surrounding Venus) typically manage a terrific job of reflecting and/
or deflecting considerably more solar energy than they manage to
absorb or allow through, and otherwise these clouds and the dense
atmosphere below manage to insulate or retain of what little solar
influx reaches the surface, and that even goes equally for our
planet. Not to mention what benefit those seriously thick, robust and
acidic (thermally conductive) atmosphere and clouds of Venus can only
manage to benefit any planet orbiting closer to the sun have to offer,
when those mostly cryogenic upper layer of clouds reflecting the vast
majority of that solar energy by each long season of day and still
allowing the solar influx plus geothermal energy via convection and
conductive transfer to essentially escape via radiating its surplus
energy away by each long season of nighttime, because there’s simply
no question that Venus is not within thermal balance when it has been
interpreted by others as upwelling considerable geothermal energy and
thus radiating on average 20.5 w/m2. This surplus energy radiation of
course interprets as though Venus is still actively cooling off,
exactly as other planet have..
Well below those acidic clouds and haze is a fairly calm and thermally
stable environment that keeps everything rather toasty at 720 K (+/-
15 K), unless you go all the way to either pole where the surface
temperatures directly below each polar vortex seldom get below 600 K
(just right for fast pressure cooking those frozen pizzas), and the
surface itself is somewhat hotter. However, in most locations the
surface is hotter than the atmosphere, and in hot spots it’s seriously
upwelling geothermal energy.
Even by day the upper third of those clouds (above 62 km) are kept
well below freezing, and by season of nighttime it’s the upper
volumetric two thirds that’s going cryogenic. So that’s hardly
representing any significant “greenhouse” that’s unable to
sufficiently reflect solar influx, nor are such acidic clouds
sufficiently insulative in order to stop the combined or composite
thermally conductive outflux.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_1.html
“The images show the temperature of the cloud tops at about 65 km
(40.4 miles) altitude. A darker region corresponds to higher
temperature and thus lower altitude. The center of the vortex, at a
temperature of about 250K (around minus 9.7 degrees Fahrenheit), is
the deepest zone, exhibiting the highest temperature. (Credit: ESA/
VIRTIS/INAF-IASF/Obs. de Paris-LESIA)”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110927171052.htm
Problem is, clearly some/most of us here in Usenet/newsgroups (a
public media gauntlet of perpetual naysay and denial and systematic
obfuscation that’s mostly populated by a collective of imposters and/
or FUD-masters that get to do as they please) that like to topic/
author stalk and parrot their mainstream status-quo mantra by
continually spewing their public-funded infomercials, plus otherwise
time spent fooling or clowning around and obviously wasting our
precious public funded time, talent and resources while pretending at
always being so Atheist wise, politically independent and all-knowing
by way of parroting and hyping their mainstream infomercials, thus
always representing the politically correct and faith-based approved
mindset that’s usually closed to revisions or allowing any change, as
though only they have been representing the one and only good side of
each and every mainstream status-quo topic or argument. Of course
that’s also what the likes of Hitler, GW Bush, Dick Cheney and
Kissinger always thought and/or insisted upon, and long before then it
was those Romans that supposedly had been the victors and supposedly
had pretty much everything going for themselves at the expense and
demise of others represented mostly by the lower 99.9% caste. It’s
also somewhat like the analogy of stepping out of an airplane without
a parachute, whereas everything seems perfectly fine and dandy up
until the hard landing, and right about now our dysfunctional NASA
that’s looking at a serious balloon payment coming due for their
previous refinancing and near zero return on investment, kinda needs a
darn good parachute that’ll represent a solid technological
advancement and discovery payback kind of win-win for humanity that’s
every bit as good or actually a whole lot better than walking on the
moon. At least that is what I believe our physically dark moon and
the extremely nearby planet Venus each have to offer, is a private and
commercial free-enterprise expansion of our human race in order to
survive the near future that’s getting downright spendy and somewhat
testy, whereas if we must remain terrestrial sequestered is only going
to become a little worse than merely testy without significant changes
to the ways and means that some of us think is perfectly okay as is.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
On Sep 3, 1:05 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/3/11 1:05 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> > If you don't believe in those pesky regular laws of physics, nor
> > accept the best available science and applied technology that can be
> > independently replicated, then by all means the extremely nearby
> > planet Venus is not for you or any other mainstream dumbfounded
> > Goldilocks.
>
> Scientists Perceive NASA Bias Against Venus
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-...
>
> "Venus would seem to be a tempting destination for planetary probes:
> conveniently close, and an extreme laboratory for atmospheric processes
> familiar on Earth. So why won't NASA send a mission there? That was the
> frustrated question coming from scientists at the annual meeting of
> NASA's Venus Exploration Analysis Group (VEXAG) near Washington, D.C.,
> on August 30-31. They perceive an agency bias against Venus, a planet
> that hasn't seen a U.S. mission since the Magellan probe radar-mapped
> its shrouded surface in the early 1990s, and which won't see one any
> time soon, after NASA this year rejected a bumper crop of Venus
> proposals. [Slide Show: 8 of the Most Extreme Places in the Solar System]
>
> "A lot of us are dismayed," says David Grinspoon, astrobiology curator
> at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science in Colorado, who is a
> co-investigator on several of the proposals. Some of the reasons for the
> planet's neglect are obvious: surface temperatures that would melt lead
> and thick clouds of sulfuric acid make data gathering a challenge for
> landers and orbiters alike. And unlike Mars Venus is neither a plausible
> haven for life nor a potential destination for astronauts.
>
> "But Grinspoon says that something more insidious is at work. Without
> new missions supplying data for analysis, funding for Venus research has
> dwindled, leading to fewer students entering the field and a smaller
> constituency to lobby for missions. "Because of this feedback loop, the
> community has shrunk," he says. Research grants mentioning Venus have
> accounted for just 2 percent of NASA's planetary-science funding since
> 2005".
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-nasa
Thanks for having provided that topic related news link, which only
goes to show that I'm not the only soul on Earth that's pulling at our
NASA strings and pushing those "Do-Not-Push" buttons of our mainstream
status quo that’s intent upon doing everything it can in order to
delay or entirely avoid our moon and the planet Venus. This kind of
news doesn't mean that I have to agree with each and every
interpretation or scientific motivation by Grinspoon, but at least
many if not most of his investigative interest are perfectly honest,
well enough founded and should be given some public support.
Obviously any official vote for another Venus mission is also a vote
for “Guth Venus”, so that’s kind of a big problem for our
dysfunctional NASA that clearly dropped the ball as of our Magellan
mission which enabled us to clearly see whatever Venus had to offer
(though be it at a low resolution that offered us a look-see at only
large scale items), whereas my research is only regarding such large
scale items and the physics and/or logic as to how such could even
exist within that pressure cooker environment.
There’s actually any number of existing ideas and notions as to how
and when intelligent other life created complex geometric items of
such large scale, although as of nowadays it’s technically possible
for visiting ETs (such as us supposedly intelligent humans) to deal
with that pressure cooker environment, not that it’ll ever become
another Goldilocks kind of naked compatible Eden unless artificially
terraformed and thereby forced by way of natural plus unnatural means
of cooling off. Of course you’d need a very substantially reflective
layer of clouds by day in order to fend off most of that 2650 w/m2 of
solar influx, and ideally some nighttime clearing of clouds or that of
a very thermally conductive atmosphere along with clouds in order to
get rid of all that solar influx (kind of like what Venus currently
has going for itself).
Here's that same old original boring monochrome and cloudless GIF
composite radar obtained image file (as raw and not having been
enlargement processed) that our mainstream status-quo has been so
deathly afraid others (including K12s) might actually look at and
interpret for themselves:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Without even downloading this public GIF monochrome image, you can
still screen zoom-in on the small area in question (of somewhat less
than 10% of the composite FOV), so as to keeping the raw 1:1 pixel
format and its rather limited resolution of 225 meters/pixel, and
thereby have yourself a perfectly good look-see at interpreting
whatever that sort of 225 meter per pixel resolution has to offer.
Here’s one of my basic 10:1 resampled enlargements, of the very same
small area of “Guth Venus” that I’ve pointed out to our NASA and
others of their Magellan team for more than the past decade, that’s
still offering a clean generic composite derivative like their
original (at least my research methology can be easily reversed and
independently replicated to suit any degree of potential topic/author
discrediting or assassination:
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
If you’d care to focus on interpreting anything specific, please feel
free to go right ahead and do so, because I’m not absolutely certain
that my deductive interpretation of what the image depicts is offering
the best or only observationology option.
There are methods of safely exploring and even for eventually
developing commercial applications for exploiting the planet Venus.
Of course a whole nearby planet like Venus is technically worth many
trillions in profit per year, and as far as I can tell there’s simply
no valid technical reasons as to why it and our trusty old moon can’t
be privately and commercially exploited for their unusually high
metallicity plus multiple other valuables.
Solar Powered Flight on Venus
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
and me) As of 2010 they employed near 14,000 and they are mostly
public funded but remain off-grid, so as the regular books do not make
them appear as any official agency or extension of our government
(kind of like their Federal Reserve that gets to operate as they
please). Just what we all need is yet another 14,000 spendy cloak and
dagger positions of FUD-masters and their spendy stealth
infrastructure to pay for, not to mention our having to pay for
whatever mistakes and cover-thy-butt expenses, though I'm certain the
Rothschilds and all the public funded ZNR/GOP redneck oligarchs really
don't mind spending our hard earn loot on any of this, not one bit.
The ongoing mainstream scientific discrimination against exploiting
our moon or Venus is entirely uncalled for, but never the less it’s a
well published matter of fact that anything proposed for commercially
or privately dealing with our moon or the extremely nearby planet
Venus is getting intentionally banished or systematically excluded by
those individuals of power and authority well above that of any
Presidential authority, that do not want myself or anyone else
getting an ounce of credit or any mention, is fairly obvious, because
they’d much rather higher the likes of secretive contracted services
like Qinetiq, or simply stick with their usual cabal of insiders that
already know how the game is played.
"Scientists Perceive NASA Bias Against Venus”
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-nasa
“Venus scientists fear neglect”
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110902/full/477145a.html
So, what's your personal take on this "NASA Bias Against Venus"?
“Venus is of less interest than Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto
and Asteroids. It's not like we can send a probe to the surface and
rover around or make optical photographs from orbit.” / Sam Wormley
Clearly there’s some of us that can’t hardly think inside the
mainstream box, much less even peek a little outside their cozy box,
and devout insiders that are usually public-funded and always strictly
compartmentalized plus clearly not permitted by policy to think at all
unless it’s within their less than 0.1% narrow expertise as to
physics, science and applied technology. So what may we ask is the
less than 0.1% narrow expertise or specialty (other than resident
parrot) of Sam Wormley.
And once again; so what if those surface atmospherics are acting kind
of gassy superfluid, mostly comprised of hot and relatively dry CO2.
(perhaps these perpetual naysayers are planning on only going to those
Goldilocks approved planets of Eden so that they can frolic in the
nude, which kind of eliminates Venus). However, if some of the water
on Earth came from icy comets or perhaps from encountering an icy
proto-moon (aka Selene), then perhaps once upon a time Venus got its
fair share.
You folks do realize that any hot and dry surface environment is
actually representing kind of an inert one, especially if the level of
O2 is minimal, and the only local teratonnes of acidic water are those
kept primarily within them terrific clouds that can be safely and
efficiently tapped for as much pure water on demand as you’d like.
Obviously numerous geothermal vents and active volcanic outflows would
contain new elements of O2 and H2 that shouldn’t have any problems
emerging as H2O (aka live steam along with multiple other raw
metallicity elements) plus lots of other atmospheric gas/vapor worthy
elements, but just like here on Earth, those new geothermal vented
elements can easily be identified, quantified and if need be avoided
and/or technically utilized.
Again: “Solar Powered Flight on Venus”
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
and little old me) As of 2010 they employ near 14,000 and they are
mostly public funded but remain off the regular books so that it
doesn’t appear as any official agency or extension of our government
(kind of like the oligarch Federal Reserve that gets to operate as
they damn well please).
Once again, this is just what we all need is having to feed yet
another 14,000 spendy cloak and dagger positions of mostly public
funded FUD-masters and their stealth infrastructure plus collateral
damage to pay for, not to mention our having to pay for whatever
agency mistakes and cover-thy-butt expenses. I'm certain the
Rothschilds and all the public funded ZNR/GOP redneck oligarchs don't
seem to mind spending our hard earn loot on any of this one bit. Good
thing we can always count on our NASA for having absolutely everything
under control, as always knowing best on how to get the most bang per
dollar. (isn’t that what K12s and the rest of us adults are all
supposed to think?)
BTW; just for others being a good investigative and open minded
sport, this request is to see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything within the following image that doesn’t quite look
as though the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely
responsible. (try to always remember that the original image is that
of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or reaffirming
scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so its
deductive interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If your image
interpretation is stumped, then turn this over to a bunch of 5th
graders as a class science project.
Apparently any extremely nearby planet that gets to within nearly 100
LD(Lunar Distance), such as Venus does every 19 months, and is
essentially looking as though better tidal locked to us than the sun,
as such isn't worth our mainstream bother, even though it has more
than twice the surface metallicity of Earth. Go figure, how a
perfectly shuttle and/or composite rigid airship flyable planet like
Venus remains as forever mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated. If I
were President BHO, I'd seriously consider firing the entire bunch and
restart our NASA, DARPA, DoE, Pentagon and their Analex Corporation
(aka part of Qinetiq-NA that runs our NSA, CIA and MI6) from scratch,
as creating one consolidated agency similar to DHS that keeps itself
fully connected and open to the public as much as our national
security allows. Obviously our dysfunctional TSA, FBI, ATF, Border
Patrol and US Customs and possibly the USCG need to get themselves
consolidated, because as is they’re making fools of themselves
(especial those of our spendy TSA) as well as costing us lives and
multiple other collateral damage.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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On 1/25/2012 8:38 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
> Systematic bias against the planet Venus:
Venus is a well-known bastion of interplanetary queer aliens.
> Systematic bias against the planet Venus:
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
Brad Guth
Jan 26, 2012, 6:36:14 AM1/26/12
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All planets, moons and asteroids are essentially made of and
subsequently derived from the exact same original cosmic stuff that
produced our galaxy (namely molecular/nebula clouds). Obviously there
have been secondary, third and other most recent stellar, planet, moon
and asteroid generation age differences, as well as compounded by
wandering nebulae and individual metallicity saturation differences,
Orbiting gamma spectrometry can resolve with enough resolution of
having been scientifically encrypted in order to mask whatever they
elect not to be telling us.
Remote intercepting and/or interpreting intelligent life other than
terrestrial is easier said than done, even from orbiting Earth isn’t
having modified something. Unfortunately, with digital imaging it’s
entirely possible to add or subtract as much data as you like, so
there no real telling unless the raw original image data is made
available prior to any modification attempts.
It’s perfectly clear that other wet planets do exist, and they exist
within their respective Goldilocks zone of many (perhaps most) other
viable stars. Obviously not all stars are going to be or forever
remain as planet worthy. Adding in atmospheric pressure and
temperature is certainly not a deal-breaker when it comes down to
another planet or moon hosting complex forms of life. In fact,
offering that near ideal vacuum.
Of course the mainstream status quo is dominated by the most faith-
based kind of closed mindset that typically claim being Atheist and
even politically independent. The only problem is with their actions
that are clearly telling us what they represent isn’t Atheist nor the
least bit politically independent. These folks typically claim being
newsgroup overlord peers as topic/author stalking pimps could be most
clowns.
Roughly .00003% of our human intelligence evolution as of the last 300
of focused microwaves and laser beams that exoplanet ETs could
just one less needless war would have put them many trillions of
dollars better off and easily decades more advanced if everything else
was the same.
Basically, having survival intelligence of any complex other life need
not involve astronomy, microwaves nor much less space travel
expertise. So, we need to consider other alternatives unless we’re
only intent upon spotting their advanced WMD before they spot us.
Knowing that available energy is always key to any advanced forms of
intelligence, not only as per surviving their own environments, but
unprotected atmosphere.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
subsequently derived from the exact same original cosmic stuff that
produced our galaxy (namely molecular/nebula clouds). Obviously there
have been secondary, third and other most recent stellar, planet, moon
and asteroid generation age differences, as well as compounded by
wandering nebulae and individual metallicity saturation differences,
plus always the random happenstance wild-card of whatever novas and
supernovas managed to stimulate some of these assorted solar systems
and wandering/rogue items of sufficient water and metallicity, plus
more than a few physical encounters that seldom ended with anything
better off or less metallicity worthy than before.
supernovas managed to stimulate some of these assorted solar systems
and wandering/rogue items of sufficient water and metallicity, plus
more than a few physical encounters that seldom ended with anything
Orbiting gamma spectrometry can resolve with enough resolution of
details as to the surface metallicity of a given planet, moon or
asteroid, as well as capable of penetrating somewhat below its
surface. At least that has become mainstream science status quo as of
more than a few decades ago. Unfortunately, that sort of public-
asteroid, as well as capable of penetrating somewhat below its
surface. At least that has become mainstream science status quo as of
funded science isn't being made available except on a "need to know"
and nondisclosure basis, so it’s kind of hard to tell what other
planets and moons truly have to offer, without our having to interpret
the best available science that is only selectively released or as
having been scientifically encrypted in order to mask whatever they
elect not to be telling us.
Remote intercepting and/or interpreting intelligent life other than
always a sure thing unless the form of life detected is either very
large or gathered in sufficient communities that developed substantial
infrastructure or leave unmistakable trails and other signs of their
large or gathered in sufficient communities that developed substantial
having modified something. Unfortunately, with digital imaging it’s
entirely possible to add or subtract as much data as you like, so
there no real telling unless the raw original image data is made
available prior to any modification attempts.
It’s perfectly clear that other wet planets do exist, and they exist
viable stars. Obviously not all stars are going to be or forever
remain as planet worthy. Adding in atmospheric pressure and
temperature is certainly not a deal-breaker when it comes down to
another planet or moon hosting complex forms of life. In fact,
atmospheric pressure and temperature should be considered as something
positive or at least constructively worth having, as opposed to the
vacuum of Mars or worse being that of our physically dark moon that’s
positive or at least constructively worth having, as opposed to the
offering that near ideal vacuum.
Of course the mainstream status quo is dominated by the most faith-
based kind of closed mindset that typically claim being Atheist and
even politically independent. The only problem is with their actions
least bit politically independent. These folks typically claim being
peers of Einstein, thereby knowing all there is to know, so that
there’s noting new or improved that can ever get past their naysay
gauntlet. Unfortunately, these same folks can’t seem honest as to who
they really are or who they represent, so basically these Usenet/
newsgroup overlord peers as topic/author stalking pimps could be most
anyone with ulterior motives or simply doing their damage-control jobs
of public media FUD-master and otherwise performing as brown-nosed
clowns.
Roughly .00003% of our human intelligence evolution as of the last 300
million years involves modern radio, and perhaps only half of that
extremely slight portion of our evolution represents the past 45 years
of focused microwaves and laser beams that exoplanet ETs could
possibly detect even if their best technology had been specifically
focused upon our solar system with its one measly naked Goldilocks
certified planet. So it’s kind of hard for myself to automatically
exclude all other planets and moons as being unlikely host of
intelligence, especially when other solar systems could be not only
older than ours but having a more desirable sun, not to mention having
focused upon our solar system with its one measly naked Goldilocks
certified planet. So it’s kind of hard for myself to automatically
exclude all other planets and moons as being unlikely host of
intelligence, especially when other solar systems could be not only
just one less needless war would have put them many trillions of
dollars better off and easily decades more advanced if everything else
was the same.
Basically, having survival intelligence of any complex other life need
not involve astronomy, microwaves nor much less space travel
expertise. So, we need to consider other alternatives unless we’re
only intent upon spotting their advanced WMD before they spot us.
Knowing that available energy is always key to any advanced forms of
certainly essential for whatever off-world explorations and the
exploiting of other worlds. Fortunately for the extremely nearby
planet Venus, there’s no shortage of local energy, and unlikely any
mineral or metallicity deficiency, not to mention the 500+ teratonnes
of easily accessible water held extensively within those acidic
clouds, plus always more water from within that geodynamically active
planet that’s continually venting in order to replenish its otherwise
exploiting of other worlds. Fortunately for the extremely nearby
planet Venus, there’s no shortage of local energy, and unlikely any
mineral or metallicity deficiency, not to mention the 500+ teratonnes
of easily accessible water held extensively within those acidic
clouds, plus always more water from within that geodynamically active
unprotected atmosphere.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Brad Guth
Jan 26, 2012, 7:20:37 AM1/26/12
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similar to the physiology of us humans) has either evolved or having
been established on the surface of Venus, but not just anywhere. On
the other hand, Venus could be offering extremely primitive
intelligence by our standards, or it could be hosting highly advanced
forms of intelligence by way of their surviving where it’s technically
impossible for a naked Goldilocks.
Not much doubt whatsoever that the surface of Venus is one seriously
hot rock that’s geodynamically active and seems to act as though it’s
less than 300 million years old. Considering that Venus has no moon
to tidal modulate anything, the geothermal heated surface is where the
vast bulk of its atmospheric heat comes from, and it is so much so
geothermally and geologically active that it’s creating that rather
substantial atmosphere with acidic clouds plus layers of haze worthy
of hosting at least 500 teratonnes of water, that at least is
geothermally and geologically active that it’s creating that rather
substantial atmosphere with acidic clouds plus layers of haze worthy
technically rather easily accessible and obviously getting renewed
from within.
Unfortunately, our always warm and fuzzy mainstream status-quo (that’s
mostly public funded and otherwise Semitic) is pretty much all about
topic/author stalking others and protecting and/or hyping their own
mainstream faith-based version of “magical hocus-pocus” via
conditional physics and science obfuscation, especially justified and
defended to their death against any outsiders that might dare suggest
even bother to topic/author stalk the likes of myself is clearly
because I happen to represent a real bona-fide threat.
This universe, our galaxy and even our insignificant speck of a solar
system are extremely complex, and yet with only a limited degree of
survival intelligence and applied physics is what makes a good deal of
it accessible to us, or to anyone else as having accomplished space
travel. Of course the mainstream status-quo isn’t buying into
anything that wasn’t entirely of their idea and authority to begin
with.
Obviously there are certain extremes that are off-limits, but clearly
our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus are not on any NO FLY
off the hook for being lethal to anyone visiting our naked and
physically dark moon, however, the surface of Venus is hardly if even
measurably affected by the worse halo CMEs, because of that thick and
robust atmosphere is providing a truly nifty shield.
Brad Guth
Jan 28, 2012, 4:14:35 PM1/28/12
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By way of my deductive image interpreting (aka observationology), a
sufficiently intelligent other kind of complex life (possibly similar
Venus is one seriously hot rock that’s also geodynamically active and
seems to act as though it’s less than 300 million years old, as
there’s no indications the surface is any cooler than its well
insulated and extra solar heated atmosphere. Considering that Venus
has no moon to tidal modulate anything, is suggesting the geothermal
that it’s also creating that rather substantial atmosphere with those
acidic clouds plus considerable layers of haze worthy of hosting at
least 500 teratonnes of water, that at least such water is technically
all about topic/author stalking others and otherwise protecting and/or
justified and defended to their death against any possible outsiders
that might dare suggest other interpretations, as representing the
a real bona-fide threat.
This universe, our galaxy and even our extremely insignificant speck
technology is what makes a good deal of it accessible to us, or to
ongoing gauntlet of recent solar CMEs headed towards us is way off the
even measurably affected by the absolute worse kinds of X+ events and
halo CMEs, all because of that thick and robust atmosphere is
sufficiently intelligent other kind of complex life (possibly similar
to the physiology of us humans) has either evolved or having been
established on the surface of Venus, but not just anywhere. On the
other hand, Venus could be offering extremely primitive intelligence
by our standards, or it could be hosting highly advanced forms of
intelligence by way of their surviving where it’s technically
impossible for a naked Goldilocks.
Not much doubt whatsoever that the geothermally heated surface of
established on the surface of Venus, but not just anywhere. On the
other hand, Venus could be offering extremely primitive intelligence
by our standards, or it could be hosting highly advanced forms of
intelligence by way of their surviving where it’s technically
impossible for a naked Goldilocks.
Venus is one seriously hot rock that’s also geodynamically active and
seems to act as though it’s less than 300 million years old, as
there’s no indications the surface is any cooler than its well
insulated and extra solar heated atmosphere. Considering that Venus
has no moon to tidal modulate anything, is suggesting the geothermal
heated surface is where the vast bulk of its atmospheric heat comes
from, and it is acting so much so geothermally and geologically active
that it’s also creating that rather substantial atmosphere with those
acidic clouds plus considerable layers of haze worthy of hosting at
least 500 teratonnes of water, that at least such water is technically
rather easily accessible and obviously getting renewed from within.
Unfortunately, our always warm and fuzzy mainstream status-quo (that’s
mostly public funded and otherwise extensively Semitic) is pretty much
Unfortunately, our always warm and fuzzy mainstream status-quo (that’s
all about topic/author stalking others and otherwise protecting and/or
hyping their own mainstream faith-based version of magical hocus-pocus
via those conditional physics and science obfuscation, especially
justified and defended to their death against any possible outsiders
that might dare suggest other interpretations, as representing the
only valid reason(s) why they even bother to topic/author stalk the
likes of myself is clearly self evident, because I happen to represent
a real bona-fide threat.
This universe, our galaxy and even our extremely insignificant speck
of a solar system are extremely complex, and yet with only a limited
degree of survival intelligence and applied physics with proven
technology is what makes a good deal of it accessible to us, or to
anyone else as having accomplished space travel. Of course the
mainstream status-quo still isn’t buying into anything that wasn’t
entirely of their idea and authority to begin with.
Obviously there are certain environmental and physiological extremes
that are off-limits, but clearly our moon and the extremely nearby
planet Venus are not on any physics or technology NO FLY list. This
ongoing gauntlet of recent solar CMEs headed towards us is way off the
hook for being lethal to anyone visiting our naked and physically dark
moon, however, that worse than toasty surface of Venus is hardly if
even measurably affected by the absolute worse kinds of X+ events and
halo CMEs, all because of that thick and robust atmosphere is
providing a truly nifty shield.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
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http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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On Jan 26, 3:36 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
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events and halo CMEs, all because of that thick and robust atmosphere
is providing a truly nifty shield.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
is providing a truly nifty shield.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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> British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
> started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
> and me) As of 2010 they employed near 14,000 and they are mostly
> public funded but remain off-grid, so as the regular books do not make
> them appear as any official agency or extension of our government
> (kind of like their Federal Reserve that gets to operate as they
> please). Just what we all need is yet another 14,000 spendy cloak and
> dagger positions of FUD-masters and their spendy stealth
> infrastructure to pay for, not to mention our having to pay for
> whatever mistakes and cover-thy-butt expenses, though I'm certain the
> Rothschilds and all the public funded ZNR/GOP redneck oligarchs really
> don't mind spending our hard earn loot on any of this, not one bit.
>
> The ongoing mainstream scientific discrimination against exploiting
> our moon or Venus is entirely uncalled for, but never the less it’s a
> well published matter of fact that anything proposed for commercially
> or privately dealing with our moon or the extremely nearby planet
> Venus is getting intentionally banished or systematically excluded by
> those individuals of power and authority well above that of any
> Presidential authority, that do not want myself or anyone else
> getting an ounce of credit or any mention, is fairly obvious, because
> they’d much rather higher the likes of secretive contracted services
> like Qinetiq, or simply stick with their usual cabal of insiders that
> already know how the game is played.
>
> "Scientists Perceive NASA Bias Against Venus”
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-...
> started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
> and me) As of 2010 they employed near 14,000 and they are mostly
> public funded but remain off-grid, so as the regular books do not make
> them appear as any official agency or extension of our government
> (kind of like their Federal Reserve that gets to operate as they
> please). Just what we all need is yet another 14,000 spendy cloak and
> dagger positions of FUD-masters and their spendy stealth
> infrastructure to pay for, not to mention our having to pay for
> whatever mistakes and cover-thy-butt expenses, though I'm certain the
> Rothschilds and all the public funded ZNR/GOP redneck oligarchs really
> don't mind spending our hard earn loot on any of this, not one bit.
>
> The ongoing mainstream scientific discrimination against exploiting
> our moon or Venus is entirely uncalled for, but never the less it’s a
> well published matter of fact that anything proposed for commercially
> or privately dealing with our moon or the extremely nearby planet
> Venus is getting intentionally banished or systematically excluded by
> those individuals of power and authority well above that of any
> Presidential authority, that do not want myself or anyone else
> getting an ounce of credit or any mention, is fairly obvious, because
> they’d much rather higher the likes of secretive contracted services
> like Qinetiq, or simply stick with their usual cabal of insiders that
> already know how the game is played.
>
> "Scientists Perceive NASA Bias Against Venus”
Brad Guth
Jan 29, 2012, 8:21:43 PM1/29/12
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interpret anything the least bit unusual within the following image
that doesn’t quite look as though the natural laws of physics and
geology was entirely responsible. (try to remember that the original
image is that of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or
scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so its
Brad Guth
Jan 29, 2012, 8:22:45 PM1/29/12
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So its surface is hot and under great atmospheric pressure: so what?
never having cooled off is easier said than done, not to mention
figuring out how its rotational energy got spent or sapped away
without a moon. Perhaps the core of Venus is most likely the whole
fluid mantel interior volume that’s below its relatively thin crust
(estimated at roughly half the thickness as our crust). In other
words, a mostly fluid core radius of perhaps 5800 km, with at most a
10 km average basalt crust thickness plus something like another 240
km of molten mantel granite, silicon dioxide running at 2000+ K and
nicely lubricated by good old hot sulfur that’s even hotter. From
including those planetoids and asteroids as having been thermally
lampblack coated and nearly invisible to most astronomy because such
no matters how much residual, fission or tidal induced heating of its
innards is taking place, because that outer surface of thick ice is
going to be cryogenic to the tune of 25 K or less, no matters how hot
that core still is.
The geothermal core heat of Mars is currently worth nearly zilch, as
perhaps worth an estimate of something like at most the successive
square root of 2000 per 2 km depth if going inward from its mostly
cryogenic surface. More than likely that core of Mars has cooled off
to something below 2000 K (suggesting that it’s roughly twice as hot
and likely several times the mass as offered by our lunar core that’ll
probably never cool off unless we blow it to bits). In other words, we
that amount.
This rather crude and unproven method of estimating the geothermal
atmospheric hothouse or greenhouse insulated than us. The geothermal
otherwise cold ISM.
What’s really needed is a direct sample of its uranium or thorium for
an accurate atomic date as to establishing its creation. After all,
250 million years should be more than sufficient time for a crust to
form (especially if it’s sufficiently saturated with metallicity and
doesn’t have any moon, and better yet if there was a gravity seed of
something solid to begin with). By some accounts, it’s suggested that
planets like Earth and Venus are simply orbs of sub-dwarf stellar mass
which failed, as dysfunctional proto-stars that simply didn’t manage
to obtain their fair share of hydrogen and helium, which left their
only the option of becoming a planet.
The best available science indications as to the extra metallicity and
rather enormous geothermal gradient of Venus is that of having an
common metallicity is likely going to be the entire planet. However,
it seems only those cool and wet planets that have been mainstream
certainly can not appreciate the values of such elements unless it’s
part of their “Happy Meal”, nor hardly accomplish any independent
ways to topic/author stalk in order to discredit and/or simply
intelligent other life without any need of a local sun. This
than a third the cost. The relatively cool Venus outpost/gateway or
OASIS at Venus L2 is also going to be spendy, at perhaps costing at
A fully manned composite rigid airship might cost as little as 2.5
billion (plus its delivery), and either directly utilized or having to
incorporate a suitable shuttle for getting folks to/from Venus L2 and
their composite rigid airship that most certainly isn’t going to be
cheap. So perhaps we should plan on investing a trillion dollars on
behalf of this human conquest of Venus that’ll likely take a good
generation of K-12s and higher educated folks that usually claim to
government and their agencies ever have to say can’t possibly be
wrong, whereas I've never once believed in such nonsense, as well as
my not having suggested accomplishing a hellish planet like Venus was
as technically simple to safely get ourselves to/from, without hardly
anything to worry about or much less fear).
The rest of this topic will naturally continue to include my honestly
deductive references as to those extremely unusual looking items, as
though representing structures and their potential community like
infrastructure of what either had once existed or should still exist
per year, that at least some of us would manage to find a viable way
of dealing with it. Obviously those in denial would get to suffer and
needlessly die.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h2GCotoleqFvfddZdb2tUhKpbxBQ?docId=CNG.113cd0c7de7b144690fc421deab49b3a.101
“Eyeless shrimps and white-tentacled anemones were photographed
bunched around cracks in the ocean floor spewing mineral-rich water
that may top 450 degrees Celsius (842 degree Fahrenheit), researchers
reported on Tuesday.”
Trying to figure out why Venus either got so freaking hot or rather
“Eyeless shrimps and white-tentacled anemones were photographed
bunched around cracks in the ocean floor spewing mineral-rich water
that may top 450 degrees Celsius (842 degree Fahrenheit), researchers
reported on Tuesday.”
never having cooled off is easier said than done, not to mention
figuring out how its rotational energy got spent or sapped away
without a moon. Perhaps the core of Venus is most likely the whole
fluid mantel interior volume that’s below its relatively thin crust
(estimated at roughly half the thickness as our crust). In other
words, a mostly fluid core radius of perhaps 5800 km, with at most a
10 km average basalt crust thickness plus something like another 240
km of molten mantel granite, silicon dioxide running at 2000+ K and
nicely lubricated by good old hot sulfur that’s even hotter. From
what little I can interpret, it’s extremely difficult to estimate the
porosity, metallicity and average density of its surface bedrock. For
all we know the surface was extensively built up from basaltic silica
poor magma (not unlike parts of Earth), except with higher
metallicity.
Perhaps the fluid innards of Venus are still rotating retrograde. At
least that could help explain the unusually slow rotation of its crust
along with that retrograde atmosphere, as well as to why it has been
poor magma (not unlike parts of Earth), except with higher
metallicity.
Perhaps the fluid innards of Venus are still rotating retrograde. At
least that could help explain the unusually slow rotation of its crust
getting rid of 20.5 w/m2.
Venus seems to be cooling off: (perhaps it’s headed for an ice-age)
http://www.esa.int/images/2008je003118-p11_enh_H.jpg
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Express/SEMUQCLXOWF_1.html#subhead4
All solar system bodies and/or chunks of spent or broken bodies have
their mostly paramagnetic metallicity (magnetic susceptibility) plus a
geothermal core of reserve or residual of their formation energy,
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Express/SEMUQCLXOWF_1.html#subhead4
All solar system bodies and/or chunks of spent or broken bodies have
their mostly paramagnetic metallicity (magnetic susceptibility) plus a
including those planetoids and asteroids as having been thermally
cloaked by their solid icy covered surface that typically represent a
slight portion of the Oort cloud mass, as also carbon buckyball or
lampblack coated and nearly invisible to most astronomy because such
thick ice cover is actually another very good insulator against the
average 3e-8 w/m2 of IGM influx, or perhaps worth as much IGM+ISM as
9e-3 w/m2 (20 K that’s found outside of molecular/nebula clouds like
average 3e-8 w/m2 of IGM influx, or perhaps worth as much IGM+ISM as
the LMC or the black molecular/nebula of Barnard 68 that offers 30 K
down to as little as 10 K within its darkest core), that gradually
depletes unless having been sustained by some considerable insulation
or fueled by the natural radioactive decay/fission process, and/or
maintained by way of having a massive enough moon or binary orbiting
mass that’ll continually modulate the entire planet, like the way our
moon keeps this planet nicely modulated and a little extra
geodynamically active and toasty inside. In other words, nothing as
wandering/rogue within our galaxy, as naked and solid as any
physically dark planetoid or asteroid is ever going to see the
millennium when it get its core much below 25 K, unless it’s extremely
old and surrounded and thus shielded by something like Barnard 68
(supposedly the coldest polar craters on our physically dark moon are
worth 35 K or roughly 15 to 25 K above the IGM+ISM starshine).
Supposedly the most isolated IGM is only worth 2.7 K, although waves
of energy and molecular clouds of warmer elements seems to exist just
about everywhere an astronomer cares to look, so at the absolute very
worst any cryogenic iced surface of a intergalactic wandering/rogue
planet is ever going to feel is perhaps 3 K or 4.6e-8 w/m2, which is
seriously cold and even stealth to some of the best IR astronomy.
In other words, a sufficiently thick ice covered planet, planetoid or
moon isn’t ever going to be easily detected until it’s nearly upon us,
down to as little as 10 K within its darkest core), that gradually
depletes unless having been sustained by some considerable insulation
or fueled by the natural radioactive decay/fission process, and/or
maintained by way of having a massive enough moon or binary orbiting
mass that’ll continually modulate the entire planet, like the way our
moon keeps this planet nicely modulated and a little extra
geodynamically active and toasty inside. In other words, nothing as
wandering/rogue within our galaxy, as naked and solid as any
physically dark planetoid or asteroid is ever going to see the
millennium when it get its core much below 25 K, unless it’s extremely
old and surrounded and thus shielded by something like Barnard 68
(supposedly the coldest polar craters on our physically dark moon are
worth 35 K or roughly 15 to 25 K above the IGM+ISM starshine).
Supposedly the most isolated IGM is only worth 2.7 K, although waves
of energy and molecular clouds of warmer elements seems to exist just
about everywhere an astronomer cares to look, so at the absolute very
worst any cryogenic iced surface of a intergalactic wandering/rogue
planet is ever going to feel is perhaps 3 K or 4.6e-8 w/m2, which is
seriously cold and even stealth to some of the best IR astronomy.
In other words, a sufficiently thick ice covered planet, planetoid or
no matters how much residual, fission or tidal induced heating of its
innards is taking place, because that outer surface of thick ice is
going to be cryogenic to the tune of 25 K or less, no matters how hot
that core still is.
The geothermal core heat of Mars is currently worth nearly zilch, as
perhaps worth an estimate of something like at most the successive
square root of 2000 per 2 km depth if going inward from its mostly
cryogenic surface. More than likely that core of Mars has cooled off
to something below 2000 K (suggesting that it’s roughly twice as hot
probably never cool off unless we blow it to bits). In other words, we
could pick up 47.7 K by going in the first 2 km by using the
successive square root of 2000 per each 2 km depth is what becomes
worth 44.7 K for that first 2 km depth, and that same method amounts
to contributing 62 K for the first 20 km depth, making its core worth
something like a cool 1750 K (62 K less than molten iron), and our
small lunar core by some other research seems to be worth roughly half
successive square root of 2000 per each 2 km depth is what becomes
worth 44.7 K for that first 2 km depth, and that same method amounts
to contributing 62 K for the first 20 km depth, making its core worth
something like a cool 1750 K (62 K less than molten iron), and our
that amount.
This rather crude and unproven method of estimating the geothermal
gradient of residual core energy should also work for our moon, using
that same square root of 2000 per each 2 km gives a core temperature
of 921 K. But since we can’t hardly manage to get ourselves safely to/
that same square root of 2000 per each 2 km gives a core temperature
from our moon or much less Mars, it doesn’t hardly matter even if
there was another garden of Eden discovered, because for Mars there’s
hardly enough surface energy from the sun and thus far no apparent
geothermal vents available to keep a minimal robotic machine as barely
operating only by day. Naturally with better science we can further
adjust this swag formula of estimating the residual core energy, such
as by using the square root of 2500 per 1.5 km yields a 50 K benefit
by going in 1.5 km, offers a 1216 K core temperature, though I kind of
doubt it’s anywhere near that toasty, much less fluid iron hot (1812
K) as some might suggest. As for Earth using the square root of it’s
radius per every 1.5 km depth works out to a geothermal core of 5187
K, not including the continuous tidal modulation of perhaps 55e-9 w/m3
and the radiological decay generated heat of 24e-9 w/m3 would make
this estimate a tough call.
In other words, once 0.1 km or more below our surface or below .2 km
there was another garden of Eden discovered, because for Mars there’s
hardly enough surface energy from the sun and thus far no apparent
geothermal vents available to keep a minimal robotic machine as barely
operating only by day. Naturally with better science we can further
adjust this swag formula of estimating the residual core energy, such
as by using the square root of 2500 per 1.5 km yields a 50 K benefit
by going in 1.5 km, offers a 1216 K core temperature, though I kind of
doubt it’s anywhere near that toasty, much less fluid iron hot (1812
K) as some might suggest. As for Earth using the square root of it’s
radius per every 1.5 km depth works out to a geothermal core of 5187
K, not including the continuous tidal modulation of perhaps 55e-9 w/m3
and the radiological decay generated heat of 24e-9 w/m3 would make
this estimate a tough call.
of solid ice is where whatever amount of solar influx is fully
nullified, and it’s only the residual core plus whatever radiological
decay plus any tidal modulation that counts, which is very good news
for all of those 5e12 wandering/rogue planets (some with Earth sized
moons) as having lost their original sun but otherwise perfectly
capable of sustaining any number of intelligent species that was able
to take full advantage of what residual and fission generated heat as
practically renewable energy situated just a short distance below
their cryogenic surface.
Venus however is still another exceptional variation as to estimating
nullified, and it’s only the residual core plus whatever radiological
decay plus any tidal modulation that counts, which is very good news
for all of those 5e12 wandering/rogue planets (some with Earth sized
moons) as having lost their original sun but otherwise perfectly
capable of sustaining any number of intelligent species that was able
to take full advantage of what residual and fission generated heat as
practically renewable energy situated just a short distance below
their cryogenic surface.
its geothermal gradient, especially since there’s hardly any solar
tidal and zero lunar tidal modulation, and it’s nicely better
atmospheric hothouse or greenhouse insulated than us. The geothermal
heated surface of Venus is likely sustained by having 3 to 4 times as
much radiological heating per m3, with its thorium getting primed by
those necessary protons from uranium and plutonium that’s created by
the ongoing internal fission decay process within and below its thin
crust that some geologist interpret as being only half as thick as
ours and perhaps otherwise only 300 million years old. Thus far,
much radiological heating per m3, with its thorium getting primed by
those necessary protons from uranium and plutonium that’s created by
the ongoing internal fission decay process within and below its thin
crust that some geologist interpret as being only half as thick as
using the successive square root of its radius and per km, I’ve got
the geothermal core of Venus pegged at 6140 K plus whatever boosted by
the ongoing radiological fissions of perhaps 75e-9 to 100e-9 w/m3
could easily generate and sustain a radiological fission boosted core
heat that’s worth perhaps 7000 K, and for any nearby planet of that
thermodynamically active volume is actually quite impressive. In
other words, if a planet like Venus were to get set free to roam about
the galaxy as a wandering/rogue planet, it would still have a robust
atmosphere and a its very geothermal made toasty surface for many
millions or possibly billions of years to come, though offering a
somewhat cooler surface because of the lack of solar influx would
the geothermal core of Venus pegged at 6140 K plus whatever boosted by
the ongoing radiological fissions of perhaps 75e-9 to 100e-9 w/m3
could easily generate and sustain a radiological fission boosted core
heat that’s worth perhaps 7000 K, and for any nearby planet of that
thermodynamically active volume is actually quite impressive. In
other words, if a planet like Venus were to get set free to roam about
the galaxy as a wandering/rogue planet, it would still have a robust
atmosphere and a its very geothermal made toasty surface for many
millions or possibly billions of years to come, though offering a
likely cause that surface to better solidify and atmospheric
temperatures to drop by a good 100~300 K (somewhat depending on local
geothermal ventings and those active volcanic considerations), making
parts of that surface kind of thermally conducive to life as we know
it, though hardly anything Eden worthy, and its purely upper cryogenic
atmosphere that’s kept aloft by the greater density and buoyancy of
the warmer dense atmosphere below, would likely keep it cloaked to
temperatures to drop by a good 100~300 K (somewhat depending on local
geothermal ventings and those active volcanic considerations), making
parts of that surface kind of thermally conducive to life as we know
it, though hardly anything Eden worthy, and its purely upper cryogenic
atmosphere that’s kept aloft by the greater density and buoyancy of
most forms of astronomy other than the likes of JWST and radio-
astronomy that has no problems detecting such LWIR and the
submillimeter spectrum that would detect such seemingly icy cold
shrouded items as hosting a hot oasis that’s wandering in the
astronomy that has no problems detecting such LWIR and the
submillimeter spectrum that would detect such seemingly icy cold
otherwise cold ISM.
What’s really needed is a direct sample of its uranium or thorium for
an accurate atomic date as to establishing its creation. After all,
250 million years should be more than sufficient time for a crust to
form (especially if it’s sufficiently saturated with metallicity and
doesn’t have any moon, and better yet if there was a gravity seed of
something solid to begin with). By some accounts, it’s suggested that
planets like Earth and Venus are simply orbs of sub-dwarf stellar mass
which failed, as dysfunctional proto-stars that simply didn’t manage
to obtain their fair share of hydrogen and helium, which left their
only the option of becoming a planet.
The best available science indications as to the extra metallicity and
actively fluid interior at just a few km under its 750 K toasty
surface of such a thin metallicity basalt crust that’s already
identified as saturated with considerable uranium and thorium
deposits, meaning that the ultimate mother-lode of its precious and
common metallicity is likely going to be the entire planet. However,
it seems only those cool and wet planets that have been mainstream
Goldilocks approved are getting any media or K-12 attention, and who
in their right mind would knowingly send only our most dumbfounded and
naked Goldilocks to roast on Venus, and otherwise what exactly would
in their right mind would knowingly send only our most dumbfounded and
any Goldilocks even know of or care about metallicity?
After all, most of us public educated K12s have been so intellectually
deprived that they don’t even know what any terminology of
metallicity, of what paramagnetic or diamagnetic even means, and they
After all, most of us public educated K12s have been so intellectually
deprived that they don’t even know what any terminology of
certainly can not appreciate the values of such elements unless it’s
part of their “Happy Meal”, nor hardly accomplish any independent
investigative research or much less deductively interpret anything for
the greater benefit of themselves and others (too busy with their
important texting, video gaming and swapping pirated music and video
material), especially put off with the usual gauntlet of intellectual
oligarch parrots like our mainstream of those mostly public-funded as
brown-nosed clowns and FUD-masters as their peers telling them
the greater benefit of themselves and others (too busy with their
important texting, video gaming and swapping pirated music and video
material), especially put off with the usual gauntlet of intellectual
oligarch parrots like our mainstream of those mostly public-funded as
trashing and taking advantage of anyone that’s independently thinking
or at risk of making an actual difference for the greater good. This
sort of mainstream approved naysay coordinated opposition will
typically insist that any such off-world expeditions (no matters how
nearby and/or technically doable) are needless and doomed to failure
typically insist that any such off-world expeditions (no matters how
because our Earth is supposed to be the one and only suitable planet
for accommodating any form of intelligent life. Usually these
individuals are having to hide behind their bogus IDs and are kind of
for accommodating any form of intelligent life. Usually these
out of shape and/or disfigured folks as somewhat unhealthy
dysfunctionals or shut-ins, that often have little or nothing of their
own accomplishments to contribute before dieing off at a somewhat
early age, so they usually parrot and invoke FUD (Fear, Uncertainty
and Doubt) as they indulge their public funded way of living large and
dysfunctionals or shut-ins, that often have little or nothing of their
own accomplishments to contribute before dieing off at a somewhat
early age, so they usually parrot and invoke FUD (Fear, Uncertainty
taking full credit for their mainstream status quo, plus always in
denial of ever having done anything the least bit wrong, as they so
often focus upon destroying all others for sport is typically the best
these jokers can ever manage is not only accepted mainstream protocol
denial of ever having done anything the least bit wrong, as they so
often focus upon destroying all others for sport is typically the best
interpretation of course increases the odds of such other wandering/
rogue planets as sustaining complex and conceivably intelligent other
life, as being considerably better than most faith-based and
politically correct mainstreamers would likely care to admit.
On Dec 5, 7:24 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/27/11 10:10 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> > On Nov 27, 7:53 pm, Sam Wormley<sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> How long can something function on Venus?
> > If it's electromechanically rated for full capacity loads at 811K, it
> > should run until something not heat related fails or wears out.
>
> Good Luck with that! Sounds expensive.
Yes indeed, whereas diamond ICs or even cold-cathode vacuum tubes are
going to be relatively spendy and certainly heavy alternatives, as
well as most other qualified electromechanical devices will not be
cheap, not to mention our having to create their spendy composite
rigid airship (initially telerobotic) could easily cost us a billion
(not including the cost of getting it there) unless we extensively
outsource to Russia for roughly half that cost, or use India for less
rogue planets as sustaining complex and conceivably intelligent other
life, as being considerably better than most faith-based and
politically correct mainstreamers would likely care to admit.
On Dec 5, 7:24 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/27/11 10:10 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> > On Nov 27, 7:53 pm, Sam Wormley<sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> How long can something function on Venus?
> > If it's electromechanically rated for full capacity loads at 811K, it
> > should run until something not heat related fails or wears out.
>
> Good Luck with that! Sounds expensive.
Yes indeed, whereas diamond ICs or even cold-cathode vacuum tubes are
going to be relatively spendy and certainly heavy alternatives, as
well as most other qualified electromechanical devices will not be
cheap, not to mention our having to create their spendy composite
rigid airship (initially telerobotic) could easily cost us a billion
(not including the cost of getting it there) unless we extensively
than a third the cost. The relatively cool Venus outpost/gateway or
OASIS at Venus L2 is also going to be spendy, at perhaps costing at
least 250 billion once everything is accounted for accommodating a
dozen or more humans that'll have to remain deployed for each 19 month
cycle, although getting monthly supplies deployed to Venus L2
shouldn’t be interrupted for at least half of each 19 month cycle.
dozen or more humans that'll have to remain deployed for each 19 month
cycle, although getting monthly supplies deployed to Venus L2
A fully manned composite rigid airship might cost as little as 2.5
billion (plus its delivery), and either directly utilized or having to
incorporate a suitable shuttle for getting folks to/from Venus L2 and
their composite rigid airship that most certainly isn’t going to be
cheap. So perhaps we should plan on investing a trillion dollars on
decade in order to accomplish. Though nowadays we seem intent upon
casually spending more than twice that much per year on false-flag and/
or bogus wars that are really all about controlling and/or dominating
casually spending more than twice that much per year on false-flag and/
our terrestrial hydrocarbons and various metallicity issues in
addition to keeping ourselves foremost in charge of global food
resources, so there really isn’t any shortage of public and private
loot, now is there.
Hot environment digital imaging (even if using a diamond CCD imager)
would likely require active thermal management of the actual imager,
loot, now is there.
Hot environment digital imaging (even if using a diamond CCD imager)
although that's certainly not unknown by physics or even
insurmountable by existing thermal management technology that actively
cools imagers as is. However, 1 meter or better SAR imaging
resolution from orbit is certainly another proven technology that’s
insurmountable by existing thermal management technology that actively
cools imagers as is. However, 1 meter or better SAR imaging
within spec of existing radar imaging technology that doesn’t involve
optics or much less care if it’s day or night, cloudy or not.
Actually from cruising safely below those thick and acidic nasty
clouds might offer as good as 0.1 m/pixel of SAR imaging resolution
and otherwise 10 mm/pixel via medium format diamond CCD imagers.
optics or much less care if it’s day or night, cloudy or not.
Actually from cruising safely below those thick and acidic nasty
clouds might offer as good as 0.1 m/pixel of SAR imaging resolution
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Unlike the typical mainstream closed mindset of our current and next
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generation of K-12s and higher educated folks that usually claim to
always be politically and faith-based correct, plus knowing absolutely
everything there is to know and thereby having to explicitly believe
in absolutely everything that’s K12 textbook plus whatever our
everything there is to know and thereby having to explicitly believe
government and their agencies ever have to say can’t possibly be
wrong, whereas I've never once believed in such nonsense, as well as
my not having suggested accomplishing a hellish planet like Venus was
ever going to be cheap nor easy, however the metallicity payback is
most likely going to become a thousand fold worth the investment (same
goes for our moon that’s supposedly so fly-by-rocket efficient as well
most likely going to become a thousand fold worth the investment (same
as technically simple to safely get ourselves to/from, without hardly
anything to worry about or much less fear).
The rest of this topic will naturally continue to include my honestly
deductive references as to those extremely unusual looking items, as
though representing structures and their potential community like
infrastructure of what either had once existed or should still exist
as representing some other form of imported or indigenous intelligent
life. So don’t blame little old me if those patterns of pixels keep
looking as somewhat artificial and geometrically rational, as though
having been established by whatever intelligence had managed to put
life. So don’t blame little old me if those patterns of pixels keep
looking as somewhat artificial and geometrically rational, as though
together in spite of that environment being so freaking hot.
I’m perfectly certain if Earth was gradually getting 1 degree hotter
per year, that at least some of us would manage to find a viable way
of dealing with it. Obviously those in denial would get to suffer and
needlessly die.
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Brad Guth
Jan 29, 2012, 8:39:56 PM1/29/12
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Nothing about the nearby planet Venus makes any good geology or
astrophysics sense, and most certainly not as to specifically when or
why it ever got so hot and managed to stay that way, as well as having
its rotational energy mysteriously expended (without a moon none the
less). Clearly all rocky planets and moons have a common nebula and
stellar creation origin, and by rights should have similar saturations
of metallicity as derived by the initial spin-off from our sun,
although captures from other solar systems that sequenced out or
became dysfunctional and/or perturbed for whatever reason(s) shouldn’t
be entirely excluded, because there’s a lot of those to pick from.
No doubt whatsoever, that certain raw molecular elements can be
created and energy extracted or transferred via fusion and/or by other
synthetic or artificial methods (such common, weird and/or exotic
elements are created within and extracted from fission reactors all
the time), and it’s well enough accepted that the initial molecular
fusion process of a spinning star is where sufficient mass of heavy
elements was tossed off in order to help form planets, planetoids,
moons and asteroids. However, 99.9999% of us do not seem to have this
Einstein or even William Mook superiority capability of knowing
absolutely everything there is to know, nor any way of affording to
have others such as Mokenergy and others delivering it to us on a
silver platter.
So, instead of the Mokenergy source of cheap, clean and relatively
abundant energy via Li-6 + H-D(deuteride) or that of his renewable
solar energy derived hydrogen, we must instead rely upon those
conventional crude methods of hydrocarbon combustion with toxic
elements plus those always conventional volumetric carbon producing
methods of using conventional hydrocarbons at less than peak
efficiency, and otherwise from those traditional hydrodynamic and
various geothermal plus fission thermodynamic energy conversion
methods, in addition to Mokenergy supplying us with his nearly
unlimited renewable and cheap hydrogen from his solar energy at just
17.4 cents/kg would certainly have been a very good thing as of more
than a decade ago, not to mention obtaining electrons directly via the
newest R&D of PVs that are being reported as becoming 100% conversion
efficient, plus always those other easily derived forms of renewable
clean energy that would follow suit (including my HTP along with using
only a small amount of a quality liquid synfuel from coal, that's good
for lots of nifty stuff besides its clean energy that can be safely
stored almost indefinitely as a heavy fluid, and we’ll get to benefit
from its way better synfuel efficiency that’ll produce minimal CO2 and
zero NOx as well as hardly if any CO).
Sadly, it seems we’re still not moving forward on any of those
options, so it’s down to fighting over and consuming terrestrial
hydrocarbons plus managing with a few other energy standards that are
also not advancing fast enough for most of the world that isn’t
capable of paying the going price nor dealing with all the secondary
consequences. This might tend to suggest that perhaps off-world
resources of energy and raw elements can’t be continually ignored
without dire consequences, but then I’ve been pointing this and other
related matters out for more than a decade, with nothing but receiving
systematic banishment and/or exclusion applied at every turn, so it’s
hard to tell as to when if ever the message will get through the thick
skulls of those unwilling change nor revise anything for the better.
Our physically dark moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus may
each at first glance seem a wee bit extreme for going off-world on
behalf of sustaining our global energy and metallicity demands, but
this may become our only failsafe way out of this hydrocarbon
addiction plus multiple other resource depletions (some of which have
been doing more damage than good). Even though William Mook can show
us where much cleaner and more efficient terrestrial methods for
obtaining his natural solar renewable hydrogen plus otherwise creating
quality synfuels from coal plus his version of Li-6 + H-D(deuterium)
usage is at least technically doable, whereas it seems the social/
political infrastructure either hasn’t been willing or perhaps isn’t
capable of changing course, especially with the current and next
generation of K-12s so unable to deductively think and act for
themselves.
As is, our energy dependent world spills, leaks and/or via blowouts
has managed to pollute the surface and oceans with over a billion
barrels worth of crude oil per year, and the vast majority of which
does not get cleaned up or otherwise salvaged, plus likewise given
another hundred trillion cubic meters worth of natural gas leakage
that’s including whatever’s intentionally getting raw vented as well
as via extensive flaring plus the natural gas industry consumption and
their numerous volumetric forms of wastage that’s getting dumped into
the atmosphere as raw gasses, plus contributing its combustion derived
CO2, NOx, CO and of course the radiological decay produced element of
helium(He) that always passes through without a hitch, is not exactly
an insignificant loss of mass. Adding in the all-inclusive coal
extraction, transports and direct industry usage for sustaining all of
that hydrocarbon supply for our consumption, and it really doesn’t
take a rocket scientist to figure out that our terrestrial resources
of conventional hydrocarbon energy is systematically killing us, as
well as having been bankrupting us.
This considerable loss of helium alone should have been given some
consideration on behalf of conserving that and a few other valuable
elements (such as 3He) as part of raw natural gas as of decades ago,
but instead our K-12s and most others don’t seem to care or have any
clue, much less having any investigative motivation to find out how
much tonnage of helium per year our world is losing track of, yet
they’ll complain relentlessly over the slightest smells (most of which
are perfectly harmless), or physical contact by anything more toxic
than pure water, so obviously any previous, ongoing and future
artificial loss of helium simply doesn’t count.
The spendy OCO mission was going to help us map and quantify the
natural and artificial thermodynamics and outgassing of our planet, as
well as tacking whatever’s naturally and artificially polluting our
atmosphere, as well as collaborating with data obtained from other
satellites packing sufficient instruments for tracking and quantifying
land and sea pollutions (including a surface geothermal energy map as
tight as 100 m2 resolution), although each time these science missions
seem to get either foiled or discredited to the point that we still
have no good real-time idea or even historical data as to our global
dimming and subsequent warming situation, and because Big Energy with
their all-inclusive contributions are not very good nor all that
trustworthy at keeping records as to monitoring their own global
contributions, perhaps because only the final portion of whatever gets
delivered to the final end-user seems to count, whereas the all-
inclusive volumes taken in order to get that final end-use delivered
hydrocarbon product, are what’s typically not being accounted for or
otherwise disclosed. So, other than deductively connecting the
investigative dots, who really knows how much and to what extent it
has affected our global environment.
As long as this mainstream energy status-quo policy of need-to-know,
nondisclosures, science obfuscation and outright denial of any
hoarding, insider tradings or wrong doing is not allowed to change for
the better, plus China, India and a few other advancing nations each
demanding their expanding fair share of hydrocarbon derived energy,
means that we’d best get with the off-world program of exploiting and
taking from our moon and Venus, in that each of those options seem to
have lots of metallicity and their own local energy to spare. Boeing
is currently boasting about their latest 100+% efficient PV conversion
of sunlight into electrons, and on the moon by day that’s worth near
1.4 kw/m2, and no doubt another couple spendy decades from now those
highly efficient PV alternatives that each require a great deal of
valuable metallicity and energy in order to produce such efficient
PVs, will actually become commercially and retail available to the
rest of us at a price that perhaps only the Rothschilds can afford,
unless off-world resources can manage to flood the global market with
cheaper energy alternatives and thereby advert other social/political
and resource wars at the same time.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
astrophysics sense, and most certainly not as to specifically when or
why it ever got so hot and managed to stay that way, as well as having
its rotational energy mysteriously expended (without a moon none the
less). Clearly all rocky planets and moons have a common nebula and
stellar creation origin, and by rights should have similar saturations
of metallicity as derived by the initial spin-off from our sun,
although captures from other solar systems that sequenced out or
became dysfunctional and/or perturbed for whatever reason(s) shouldn’t
be entirely excluded, because there’s a lot of those to pick from.
No doubt whatsoever, that certain raw molecular elements can be
created and energy extracted or transferred via fusion and/or by other
synthetic or artificial methods (such common, weird and/or exotic
elements are created within and extracted from fission reactors all
the time), and it’s well enough accepted that the initial molecular
fusion process of a spinning star is where sufficient mass of heavy
elements was tossed off in order to help form planets, planetoids,
moons and asteroids. However, 99.9999% of us do not seem to have this
Einstein or even William Mook superiority capability of knowing
absolutely everything there is to know, nor any way of affording to
have others such as Mokenergy and others delivering it to us on a
silver platter.
So, instead of the Mokenergy source of cheap, clean and relatively
abundant energy via Li-6 + H-D(deuteride) or that of his renewable
solar energy derived hydrogen, we must instead rely upon those
conventional crude methods of hydrocarbon combustion with toxic
elements plus those always conventional volumetric carbon producing
methods of using conventional hydrocarbons at less than peak
efficiency, and otherwise from those traditional hydrodynamic and
various geothermal plus fission thermodynamic energy conversion
methods, in addition to Mokenergy supplying us with his nearly
unlimited renewable and cheap hydrogen from his solar energy at just
17.4 cents/kg would certainly have been a very good thing as of more
than a decade ago, not to mention obtaining electrons directly via the
newest R&D of PVs that are being reported as becoming 100% conversion
efficient, plus always those other easily derived forms of renewable
clean energy that would follow suit (including my HTP along with using
only a small amount of a quality liquid synfuel from coal, that's good
for lots of nifty stuff besides its clean energy that can be safely
stored almost indefinitely as a heavy fluid, and we’ll get to benefit
from its way better synfuel efficiency that’ll produce minimal CO2 and
zero NOx as well as hardly if any CO).
Sadly, it seems we’re still not moving forward on any of those
options, so it’s down to fighting over and consuming terrestrial
hydrocarbons plus managing with a few other energy standards that are
also not advancing fast enough for most of the world that isn’t
capable of paying the going price nor dealing with all the secondary
consequences. This might tend to suggest that perhaps off-world
resources of energy and raw elements can’t be continually ignored
without dire consequences, but then I’ve been pointing this and other
related matters out for more than a decade, with nothing but receiving
systematic banishment and/or exclusion applied at every turn, so it’s
hard to tell as to when if ever the message will get through the thick
skulls of those unwilling change nor revise anything for the better.
Our physically dark moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus may
each at first glance seem a wee bit extreme for going off-world on
behalf of sustaining our global energy and metallicity demands, but
this may become our only failsafe way out of this hydrocarbon
addiction plus multiple other resource depletions (some of which have
been doing more damage than good). Even though William Mook can show
us where much cleaner and more efficient terrestrial methods for
obtaining his natural solar renewable hydrogen plus otherwise creating
quality synfuels from coal plus his version of Li-6 + H-D(deuterium)
usage is at least technically doable, whereas it seems the social/
political infrastructure either hasn’t been willing or perhaps isn’t
capable of changing course, especially with the current and next
generation of K-12s so unable to deductively think and act for
themselves.
As is, our energy dependent world spills, leaks and/or via blowouts
has managed to pollute the surface and oceans with over a billion
barrels worth of crude oil per year, and the vast majority of which
does not get cleaned up or otherwise salvaged, plus likewise given
another hundred trillion cubic meters worth of natural gas leakage
that’s including whatever’s intentionally getting raw vented as well
as via extensive flaring plus the natural gas industry consumption and
their numerous volumetric forms of wastage that’s getting dumped into
the atmosphere as raw gasses, plus contributing its combustion derived
CO2, NOx, CO and of course the radiological decay produced element of
helium(He) that always passes through without a hitch, is not exactly
an insignificant loss of mass. Adding in the all-inclusive coal
extraction, transports and direct industry usage for sustaining all of
that hydrocarbon supply for our consumption, and it really doesn’t
take a rocket scientist to figure out that our terrestrial resources
of conventional hydrocarbon energy is systematically killing us, as
well as having been bankrupting us.
This considerable loss of helium alone should have been given some
consideration on behalf of conserving that and a few other valuable
elements (such as 3He) as part of raw natural gas as of decades ago,
but instead our K-12s and most others don’t seem to care or have any
clue, much less having any investigative motivation to find out how
much tonnage of helium per year our world is losing track of, yet
they’ll complain relentlessly over the slightest smells (most of which
are perfectly harmless), or physical contact by anything more toxic
than pure water, so obviously any previous, ongoing and future
artificial loss of helium simply doesn’t count.
The spendy OCO mission was going to help us map and quantify the
natural and artificial thermodynamics and outgassing of our planet, as
well as tacking whatever’s naturally and artificially polluting our
atmosphere, as well as collaborating with data obtained from other
satellites packing sufficient instruments for tracking and quantifying
land and sea pollutions (including a surface geothermal energy map as
tight as 100 m2 resolution), although each time these science missions
seem to get either foiled or discredited to the point that we still
have no good real-time idea or even historical data as to our global
dimming and subsequent warming situation, and because Big Energy with
their all-inclusive contributions are not very good nor all that
trustworthy at keeping records as to monitoring their own global
contributions, perhaps because only the final portion of whatever gets
delivered to the final end-user seems to count, whereas the all-
inclusive volumes taken in order to get that final end-use delivered
hydrocarbon product, are what’s typically not being accounted for or
otherwise disclosed. So, other than deductively connecting the
investigative dots, who really knows how much and to what extent it
has affected our global environment.
As long as this mainstream energy status-quo policy of need-to-know,
nondisclosures, science obfuscation and outright denial of any
hoarding, insider tradings or wrong doing is not allowed to change for
the better, plus China, India and a few other advancing nations each
demanding their expanding fair share of hydrocarbon derived energy,
means that we’d best get with the off-world program of exploiting and
taking from our moon and Venus, in that each of those options seem to
have lots of metallicity and their own local energy to spare. Boeing
is currently boasting about their latest 100+% efficient PV conversion
of sunlight into electrons, and on the moon by day that’s worth near
1.4 kw/m2, and no doubt another couple spendy decades from now those
highly efficient PV alternatives that each require a great deal of
valuable metallicity and energy in order to produce such efficient
PVs, will actually become commercially and retail available to the
rest of us at a price that perhaps only the Rothschilds can afford,
unless off-world resources can manage to flood the global market with
cheaper energy alternatives and thereby advert other social/political
and resource wars at the same time.
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Brad Guth
Jan 29, 2012, 9:03:58 PM1/29/12
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It's certainly possible though highly unlikely that Venus was ever a
wet and cool planet in the way of interpreting as another Eden that
was ever suited for the likes of us naked humans, and especially
unsuitable when we can’t even seem to figure out how best to derive
clean and renewable energy without wars or artificial global
inflation. However, with applied physics and a good deal of
technology is where almost anything is possible, especially on such a
nearby planet that offers so much in natural kinds of renewable
energy, as well as 10% lower gravity, terrific atmospheric buoyancy
and loads of metallicity that covers the full spectrum. It's kind of
a mining Eden treasure trove, whereas most every conceivable element
is easily accessible as is, plus there's no limitations of local
energy for processing and exporting, because the whole freaking planet
is a natural smelting refinery of ores and you name it.
Venus is hardly representing an oasis for the likes of any naked
Goldilocks, much less harmless to any of our K-12 and higher educated
as mostly physics and science dumbfounded individuals that can’t
hardly investigate or much less deductively think for themselves, but
never the less, at least Venus is offering an extremely nearby off-
world alternative, as a treasure trove of easily accessible
metallicity and energy resources that’s not the least bit locally
energy limited nor without more than its fair share of those
sufficiently valuable elements that make at least some of us rich and
powerful. What Venus lacks in surface oxygen, water and ice, it more
than makes up in other metallicity elements and clean/renewable energy
to do whatever with.
I’m asking, how many trillions per year does a moon or nearby planet
need to be worth, in order to get your attention?
Besides the really good and profitable idea of our going after the
metallicity exploitation of our physically dark moon, what extremely
nearby planet has everything essential, plus according to Russian
science plus even interpreted by some of ours and ESA would suggest it
offers more metallicity than Earth? (here’s a vague clue; Venus)
All planets and everything else imaginable (including our moon) are
perfectly natural derivatives of their local star metallicity that
most science is still trying to figure out, and for such a nearby
planet of rather terrific metallicity as Venus that’s still getting
those icy cold NASA and DARPA shoulders of denial and obfuscation,
continually receiving those super-critical authoritarian looks of
absolute taboo and/or nondisclosure, is exactly as though it’s being
regarded as some kind of weird forbidden or satanic voodoo planet
that’s simply too complicated and/or too oddly hellish and wicked for
us mortals to ever mess with. Of course having those couple or
possibly at first having three really big and nasty metallicity stars
of Sirius nearby probably wasn’t exactly a big help to our planet when
those nearby and extremely vibrant stars were in their prime, and
perhaps getting a whole lot worse yet when Sirius(B) terminated into a
white dwarf or Sirius(C) terminated as a nova or supernova would have
been extremely traumatic if not a global kind of lethal event for our
planet.
Supposedly everything of our local planets and moons were derived
entirely by that initially fast spinning main sequence birth of our
local star that fired everything up and/or as having resulted from the
initial complex process of fusion taking place within our progenitor
sun, although planet and moon captures are also becoming somewhat
better understood as plausible. Planet and moon metallicity are
merely the local happenstance of stellar and secondary geological
composition factors that one needs to always take into account, and
otherwise because it always helps to connect those metallicity dots,
so that we can best figure complex stuff out. It seems that our
physically dark and naked moon plus the extremely nearby planet Venus
are each offering their tougher surface of paramagnetic bedrock and/or
having more internal and deposited metallicity to work with than our
Earth ever had to begin with. Of course our mainstream status quo
always has to disagree and naysay regardless of the consequences, so
it’s best to never expect anything other and you will not get
disappointed.
When the sun was initially evolving from its enormous molecular/nebula
cloud, is also when it too was changing its composition as to what
sorts of metallicity elements would be given off (centripetally
disposed of), and what sorts of complex metallicity would be
retained. Of course a star of fusion energy is a continuous evolution
process and/or the primary creator of all known elements, and the
newer generation of stars are even more so offering complex
metallicity, of essentially producing its main sequence self, planets
and everything else from those complex derivatives that came from its
molecular/nebula cloud, as will as the subsequent stellar fusion
process within itself which creates those numerous complex metallicity
elements on the fly, so to speak. Thereby, each and every stellar
generation gets a little more complex and those rules of stellar main
sequence are having to continually change to suit, not to mention when
our sun recently got surrounded by that enormous molecular/nebula
cloud which produced those hefty and vibrant nearby Sirius stars,
whereas our sun should have interacted with and/or having consumed
some of that extra nebula metallicity and stellar evolution given off
by those nearby Sirius stars.
Of course the mainstream status-quo and especially of their faith-
based insiders that usually pretend as being Atheists, but tend to act/
react exactly like devout Semites by protecting those of their own
past, current and future authority, really do not like to see any
outside concepts of permitting scientific change or introducing
variables because, such could involve revising history as well as
screwing up whatever they alone get to tell us is their one and only
answer to everything. In other words, modern astrophysics is kind of
like a roll of toilet paper, whereas each sheet gets paid to wipe at
something nasty before getting disposed of and moving on to the next
cosmic bowel movement that’s at risk of revising the rules, because
for the most part such revisions have not been allowed.
It’s certainly not that one ever has to actually do anything extra
special with or because of such higher metallicity (unless it’s highly
radioactive and concentrated enough to being lethal or genetic
mutation worthy), just like our terrestrial oligarchs and mafia of Big
Energy (mostly via coal, oil and natural gas plus a few other spendy
synfuel hydrocarbons) here on Earth doesn’t have to bother with
preventing various radioactives and those multiple combustion slag or
soot elements from reaching our surface and getting atmospheric
exposure that makes any number of such relatively dry inert elements
highly reactive, not to mention their considerable combustion
particulates (aka soot and/or fly-ash plus creating loads of CO2 and
NOx that’s in addition to those many other mostly nasty byproducts)
that cause global dimming, nor having to worry about their oil and
natural gas leakage, spillage, blowouts, molecular conversions such as
Corexit or fret over their continual loss of helium that measurably
contributes to all the natural upwelling loss of helium which is
actually a rather considerable volumetric outflux if having to
maintain 5.24 ppm happens to mean anything (something like 26 billion
tonnes worth of helium at any given time, all of which having to be
continually resupplied from within Earth), and such radiological decay
produced helium is one of those lofty elements that simply doesn’t
molecular bind nor otherwise stick with Earth. Plus there’s also the
rather considerable all-inclusive 32:1 consumption and evaporation
cycle of fresh water that’s directly related to the energy derived via
every tonne of coal, but then who really needs all that fresh water or
minds having on average an extra teratonne of water vapor kept in the
atmosphere, because that’s only another 1% boost in water saturation
up from the norm. At least China has been doing all it can by way of
keeping as much sulfur plus other coal, natural gas and oil related
elements (many of those being toxic and/or terribly acidic) within its
local atmosphere, whereas hydrocarbon related smog that is considered
as highly destructive and undesirable by most of us, is also being
reconsidered as worthy of global cooling by others. In other words,
by way of mainstream Big Energy, apparently us humans can’t possibly
pollute enough.
So obviously our overpopulated planet that’s looking at a near certain
future of having to feed and care for 10+ billion somewhat cranky
humans, is perfectly good to go as is? (I rather doubt we can
continue as is, though perhaps only a fool or a FUD-master might
suggest that our status quo being the case is perfectly sufficient as
is, whereas I’m thinking more likely 8 billion could be our next great
population tipping point). Doesn’t any of this suggest we’re running
out of terrestrial options?
In other words, how much of Earth can we continually afford to dig up
and process, not to mention fracking, cultivating and/or continually
farming its land and sea to death? (especially when phosphates and
other natural fertilizers are now having to be artificially created)
Perhaps technically all 10+ billion humans can be sustained on this
planet without off-world considerations, at least that’s what William
Mook and others that don’t really seem to care about the 99.9% lower
caste keeps telling us. Of course, at some future point of our having
mass consumed nearly everything of value in sight plus over-populating
a given world like Earth, to the point of having perpetual war(s) over
resources, is where these terrestrial resources eventually get
depleted and/or converted into various substances that are most often
less valuable or even toxic to sustaining our complex species and the
surrounding biodiversity, whereas helium plus many of those elements
converted into acids and in some instances those element conversions
and composite blends even become ozone/O3 depleting as well as
otherwise kind of potentially toxic and even objectively proven as
being terribly lethal, as sort of reaching the saturation point of no
return. But again, that’s kind of what us modern humans have always
done and would gladly do again and again without any whatsoever
reservations or speck of remorse to this or any other world.
One perfectly viable option for us is to seriously consider pillaging
and plundering a nearby moon or planet, or at least considering the
commercial and private development and interior exploitation of our
moon. Obviously going off-world isn’t going to be easy nor cheap, at
least not at first, but then our moon should easily be more than worth
it, even though the planet Venus is better suited as is (though it’s
not ever going to be as anything naked and always dumbfounded
Goldilocks might care to think).
With Venus passing so nearby every 19 months (being such an active and
robust planet of nearly the size and mass of Earth, except somewhat
better protected by its robust atmosphere and offering 10% less
gravity for us to work against, plus offering terrific buoyancy of 65
kg/m3), that’s actively venting and thermodynamically radiating as
though it were only a few hundred million years old, whereas one might
care to further ponder the commercial and private enterprise
implications of seeing another kind of future gold-rush era that could
easily be going after those abundant metallicity elements (including
uranium, thorium and radium as well as those good old standards of
gold, silver, platinum and no doubt copper, aluminum plus there’s
always iron and titanium that shouldn’t be hard to come by).
Of course our moon and Venus have each technically been commercially
viable for decades, especially since our NASA/Apollo era proved how
reliable their Nazi engineered Saturn-5 plus how unusually inert and
passive our moon apparently is, as well as having proven how 100%
reliable and relatively failsafe were each of those fly-by-rocket
landers of that era, which didn’t even bother with incorporating any
powerful momentum reaction gyros, and then our DARPA and NASA went on
to further prove how extended space travel worthy plus aerodynamic
worthy were each of those shuttles that were fully reusable as long as
none of their reentry heat shield tiles are defective or missing.
There is simply no question as to the terrific commercial/industrial
and even private value of He3, plus a complex multitude of rare
metallicity and even the element of carbonado/diamond, plus using
those mostly robotic tunnel diggers (TBMs), their excavators and raw
mineral processing technology certainly isn’t insurmountable. So, why
all the nondisclosure and otherwise, what the hell gives?
I’m still somewhat puzzled but having never been the least bit
surprised as to why this radar obtained image of “Guth Venus” has
remained so mainstream forbidden or taboo, unless it’s only because
I'm such an independent outsider (aka loose cannon) that they have
little if any control over, must be extremely dark and scary to them.
On this subject of interpreting a given image; Why is it always
permitted for our NASA and their insider associates to PhotoShop,
apply extensive frame stacking, plus artificially eyecandy colorize or
even selectively unsaturate by removing or excluding certain colors
and mainstream publish whatever image as much hype fortified
infomercials as they like (naturally fully public funded none the
less), as offered way past the point of no possible return from any
original raw data, while independent others are not permitted to even
use the most basic digital image resampling which can be easily
reversed and/or repeated for deductive interpretations by most anyone
for obtaining the exact same or better results?
Usually those individuals found in Usenet/newsgroups protecting
whatever their mainstream upper most caste of oligarch and faith-based
mafia have been doing to the rest of us, have no actual photographic
nor PhotoShop expertise of their own, because that’s not their job.
However they usually claim as being all-knowing and first-hand
expertise in everything.
Without doubt, I can easily accept that most of us honestly can not
deductively interpret an image of Mickey Mouse and be certain it's
representing anything truly artificial or real, because artistic
talent and powerful computers can make such animations (especially
those of the surrounding terrain) look every bit as good or even 3D
Avatar better than real, but then at best we're handed third or forth
generation eyecandy as Kodak film recorded or rather as Kodak
transposed derivative images from our infamous Apollo missions, and
being told that everything is represented exactly as only they have
interpreted it for us (including those spectacular reproduced and
autographed images via “moonpans”), and to never mind the laws of
physics or any best other science of color/hue or contrast dynamic
range simply doesn’t count, plus otherwise just like those independent
video and audio of WTC7 being systematically explosive detonated as
necessary for their precise demolition, whereas we're being told by
the best public-funded authority that all of those independent
recorded images and audio are entirely bogus and/or an allusion that
we shouldn't bother ourselves with. So which do we believe,
especially when we follow the money and there's ample motives, means
and opportunity, and that certainly applies to all things DARPA and
NASA whenever their public funded jobs and benefit security plus their
nifty cloak of religious faith is getting put at risk.
At the same time, I can also accept the notions or interpretation that
we're not the one and only intelligence capable of having evolved from
scratch, or perhaps otherwise via directed panspermia and intelligent
design certainly can’t be ruled out. Considering the odds against us
humans emerging and evolving from scratch right here on Earth, as such
makes me reconsider the off-world possibilities as being not nearly so
insurmountable. In fact, as of decades ago our biodiversity along
with our space travel expertise could have remotely seeded and/or
stimulated another planet like a proto-Earth into becoming yet another
Eden, by simply transporting the necessary microbes and spores and/or
going full-tilt with sending a multitude of complex species to inhabit
this other world or moon, though no doubt we’d make our fair share of
creation mistakes. Personally, I wouldn’t mess with the existing
environment nor biodiversity of another planet, but then I’m not
greedy or insensitive to the needs of others, because even unique life
sequestered within our moon or anything associated with Venus
shouldn’t be disregarded any more so than underground microbes on
Mars.
For somewhat easier comprehension, I've only slightly edited the
following context and hopefully improved its syntax, so that you and
others might bother to reconsider actually looking at the specified
image instead of merely applying your preconceived and typically
closed mindset interpretations as though your braille observationology
expertise is more than sufficient. Unlike expecting you to believe in
Muslims packing and hiding WMD, all I'm asking for is the honest
deductive interpretations by others that typically claim as having
vast expertise in every conceivable science, including
observationology, to give this one an honest look-see that even some
5th graders should be qualified for.
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In the news and offered by many of our most trendy eyecandy
publications, we have our somewhat dysfunctional and perpetual
nonprofit NASA that has gotten too big to fail, and their usual
mainstream infomercial media flow of their approved hype of supposedly
peer approved science, pertaining to all sorts of astrophysics plus
boasting on behalf of numerous exoplanets that the next hundred
generations from now will never get any probe into orbit or much less
set any naked Goldilocks foot upon within any thousand generations
from now, mostly because those other worlds and moons are situated so
far away. However, perhaps the seemingly newish and extremely nearby
Venus was once an exoplanet of Sirius(B), and right now it’s captured
as passing conveniently nearby us within 100 LD every 19 months, as
well as having been more tidal rotation locked to Earth than to the
sun (or you can always believe the more than sextillion [1e21] odds
otherwise). At least at the ongoing rate such exoplanets are getting
discovered, seems to suggest there’s going to be a lot more of those
than stars, and otherwise consider that most main sequence stars of .5
Ms and larger (roughly 33% of all stars) simply can’t forever hold
onto their planets (especially of anything of 1.5 Ms or greater
doesn’t have the same extended main sequence timeline to work with as
ours of 10+ billion years has to offer), although moons of such
wandering/rogue planets should remain firm unless their sun goes nova
or worse supernova. Otherwise white dwarfs simply lose their tidal
radii grip, which allows their planets to wander off, and by now
perhaps 5e12 items of wandering/rogue planets, planetoids and their
moon exist within our galaxy.
It’s certainly not that complex life as we know it and as representing
the majority of terrestrial biodiversity didn’t originate right here
on Earth, but this is more about other complex life as having
originated off-world and having by happenstance or via directed
panspermia contributed to our terrestrial complexity and diversity, as
well as their having found a home on a few other survivable planets
and moons. In most instances those other planets and moons would
likely not be directly suitable to any degree of sustaining such
random microbe and spore panspermia, or even those intentionally
deployed as complex life would most likely not survive, but perhaps in
some instances, such as upon Earth or via technology assisted kinds of
complex life could have made a go of it on even the geologically
active and hellish pressure-cooker world of Venus, whereas at least
via applied physics and good use of basic technology is where
surviving Venus really isn’t technically insurmountable, and
especially accommodating if our sun had been a few percent less active
as of a billion years ago.
An intentionally seeded planet or suitable moon of a gas giant could
actually evolve its own complex life fairly quickly, even if we
couldn’t get ourselves directly involved with its on-location applied
physics, biology and objective science. Never the less, and even if
Venus is an original though metallicity and geology oddball of our
solar system (much like our moon that’s physically dark and its thick
crust made extensively of paramagnetic basalt); has anyone here got
any better ideas, notions or deductive swags as to further
interpreting what that extremely large clover shaped reservoir on
Venus is all about?
For those of us that are observationology dysfunctionals, here’s a not
so little size perspective: At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium /
with, as well as hydrocarbons shouldn’t be impossible once we
reconsider what the Saturn moon Titan has to work with.
Even as offering a highly conservative reservoir interpretation, it
still seems rather enormous but otherwise kind of perfectly natural,
including that other somewhat conventional reservoir above that’s
containing something fluid and seems connected. However, as far as
erosion plus looking as so downright impressive, so what the hell
complex reservoir is truly big doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, and
just because the exact same image resampling process was applied
because nature isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or
complex looking geometries, and especially whenever there’s a logical
community like infrastructure pattern involved.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
wet and cool planet in the way of interpreting as another Eden that
was ever suited for the likes of us naked humans, and especially
unsuitable when we can’t even seem to figure out how best to derive
clean and renewable energy without wars or artificial global
inflation. However, with applied physics and a good deal of
technology is where almost anything is possible, especially on such a
nearby planet that offers so much in natural kinds of renewable
energy, as well as 10% lower gravity, terrific atmospheric buoyancy
and loads of metallicity that covers the full spectrum. It's kind of
a mining Eden treasure trove, whereas most every conceivable element
is easily accessible as is, plus there's no limitations of local
energy for processing and exporting, because the whole freaking planet
is a natural smelting refinery of ores and you name it.
Venus is hardly representing an oasis for the likes of any naked
Goldilocks, much less harmless to any of our K-12 and higher educated
as mostly physics and science dumbfounded individuals that can’t
hardly investigate or much less deductively think for themselves, but
never the less, at least Venus is offering an extremely nearby off-
world alternative, as a treasure trove of easily accessible
metallicity and energy resources that’s not the least bit locally
energy limited nor without more than its fair share of those
sufficiently valuable elements that make at least some of us rich and
powerful. What Venus lacks in surface oxygen, water and ice, it more
than makes up in other metallicity elements and clean/renewable energy
to do whatever with.
I’m asking, how many trillions per year does a moon or nearby planet
need to be worth, in order to get your attention?
Besides the really good and profitable idea of our going after the
metallicity exploitation of our physically dark moon, what extremely
nearby planet has everything essential, plus according to Russian
science plus even interpreted by some of ours and ESA would suggest it
offers more metallicity than Earth? (here’s a vague clue; Venus)
All planets and everything else imaginable (including our moon) are
perfectly natural derivatives of their local star metallicity that
most science is still trying to figure out, and for such a nearby
planet of rather terrific metallicity as Venus that’s still getting
those icy cold NASA and DARPA shoulders of denial and obfuscation,
continually receiving those super-critical authoritarian looks of
absolute taboo and/or nondisclosure, is exactly as though it’s being
regarded as some kind of weird forbidden or satanic voodoo planet
that’s simply too complicated and/or too oddly hellish and wicked for
us mortals to ever mess with. Of course having those couple or
possibly at first having three really big and nasty metallicity stars
of Sirius nearby probably wasn’t exactly a big help to our planet when
those nearby and extremely vibrant stars were in their prime, and
perhaps getting a whole lot worse yet when Sirius(B) terminated into a
white dwarf or Sirius(C) terminated as a nova or supernova would have
been extremely traumatic if not a global kind of lethal event for our
planet.
Supposedly everything of our local planets and moons were derived
entirely by that initially fast spinning main sequence birth of our
local star that fired everything up and/or as having resulted from the
initial complex process of fusion taking place within our progenitor
sun, although planet and moon captures are also becoming somewhat
better understood as plausible. Planet and moon metallicity are
merely the local happenstance of stellar and secondary geological
composition factors that one needs to always take into account, and
otherwise because it always helps to connect those metallicity dots,
so that we can best figure complex stuff out. It seems that our
physically dark and naked moon plus the extremely nearby planet Venus
are each offering their tougher surface of paramagnetic bedrock and/or
having more internal and deposited metallicity to work with than our
Earth ever had to begin with. Of course our mainstream status quo
always has to disagree and naysay regardless of the consequences, so
it’s best to never expect anything other and you will not get
disappointed.
When the sun was initially evolving from its enormous molecular/nebula
cloud, is also when it too was changing its composition as to what
sorts of metallicity elements would be given off (centripetally
disposed of), and what sorts of complex metallicity would be
retained. Of course a star of fusion energy is a continuous evolution
process and/or the primary creator of all known elements, and the
newer generation of stars are even more so offering complex
metallicity, of essentially producing its main sequence self, planets
and everything else from those complex derivatives that came from its
molecular/nebula cloud, as will as the subsequent stellar fusion
process within itself which creates those numerous complex metallicity
elements on the fly, so to speak. Thereby, each and every stellar
generation gets a little more complex and those rules of stellar main
sequence are having to continually change to suit, not to mention when
our sun recently got surrounded by that enormous molecular/nebula
cloud which produced those hefty and vibrant nearby Sirius stars,
whereas our sun should have interacted with and/or having consumed
some of that extra nebula metallicity and stellar evolution given off
by those nearby Sirius stars.
Of course the mainstream status-quo and especially of their faith-
based insiders that usually pretend as being Atheists, but tend to act/
react exactly like devout Semites by protecting those of their own
past, current and future authority, really do not like to see any
outside concepts of permitting scientific change or introducing
variables because, such could involve revising history as well as
screwing up whatever they alone get to tell us is their one and only
answer to everything. In other words, modern astrophysics is kind of
like a roll of toilet paper, whereas each sheet gets paid to wipe at
something nasty before getting disposed of and moving on to the next
cosmic bowel movement that’s at risk of revising the rules, because
for the most part such revisions have not been allowed.
It’s certainly not that one ever has to actually do anything extra
special with or because of such higher metallicity (unless it’s highly
radioactive and concentrated enough to being lethal or genetic
mutation worthy), just like our terrestrial oligarchs and mafia of Big
Energy (mostly via coal, oil and natural gas plus a few other spendy
synfuel hydrocarbons) here on Earth doesn’t have to bother with
preventing various radioactives and those multiple combustion slag or
soot elements from reaching our surface and getting atmospheric
exposure that makes any number of such relatively dry inert elements
highly reactive, not to mention their considerable combustion
particulates (aka soot and/or fly-ash plus creating loads of CO2 and
NOx that’s in addition to those many other mostly nasty byproducts)
that cause global dimming, nor having to worry about their oil and
natural gas leakage, spillage, blowouts, molecular conversions such as
Corexit or fret over their continual loss of helium that measurably
contributes to all the natural upwelling loss of helium which is
actually a rather considerable volumetric outflux if having to
maintain 5.24 ppm happens to mean anything (something like 26 billion
tonnes worth of helium at any given time, all of which having to be
continually resupplied from within Earth), and such radiological decay
produced helium is one of those lofty elements that simply doesn’t
molecular bind nor otherwise stick with Earth. Plus there’s also the
rather considerable all-inclusive 32:1 consumption and evaporation
cycle of fresh water that’s directly related to the energy derived via
every tonne of coal, but then who really needs all that fresh water or
minds having on average an extra teratonne of water vapor kept in the
atmosphere, because that’s only another 1% boost in water saturation
up from the norm. At least China has been doing all it can by way of
keeping as much sulfur plus other coal, natural gas and oil related
elements (many of those being toxic and/or terribly acidic) within its
local atmosphere, whereas hydrocarbon related smog that is considered
as highly destructive and undesirable by most of us, is also being
reconsidered as worthy of global cooling by others. In other words,
by way of mainstream Big Energy, apparently us humans can’t possibly
pollute enough.
So obviously our overpopulated planet that’s looking at a near certain
future of having to feed and care for 10+ billion somewhat cranky
humans, is perfectly good to go as is? (I rather doubt we can
continue as is, though perhaps only a fool or a FUD-master might
suggest that our status quo being the case is perfectly sufficient as
is, whereas I’m thinking more likely 8 billion could be our next great
population tipping point). Doesn’t any of this suggest we’re running
out of terrestrial options?
In other words, how much of Earth can we continually afford to dig up
and process, not to mention fracking, cultivating and/or continually
farming its land and sea to death? (especially when phosphates and
other natural fertilizers are now having to be artificially created)
Perhaps technically all 10+ billion humans can be sustained on this
planet without off-world considerations, at least that’s what William
Mook and others that don’t really seem to care about the 99.9% lower
caste keeps telling us. Of course, at some future point of our having
mass consumed nearly everything of value in sight plus over-populating
a given world like Earth, to the point of having perpetual war(s) over
resources, is where these terrestrial resources eventually get
depleted and/or converted into various substances that are most often
less valuable or even toxic to sustaining our complex species and the
surrounding biodiversity, whereas helium plus many of those elements
converted into acids and in some instances those element conversions
and composite blends even become ozone/O3 depleting as well as
otherwise kind of potentially toxic and even objectively proven as
being terribly lethal, as sort of reaching the saturation point of no
return. But again, that’s kind of what us modern humans have always
done and would gladly do again and again without any whatsoever
reservations or speck of remorse to this or any other world.
One perfectly viable option for us is to seriously consider pillaging
and plundering a nearby moon or planet, or at least considering the
commercial and private development and interior exploitation of our
moon. Obviously going off-world isn’t going to be easy nor cheap, at
least not at first, but then our moon should easily be more than worth
it, even though the planet Venus is better suited as is (though it’s
not ever going to be as anything naked and always dumbfounded
Goldilocks might care to think).
With Venus passing so nearby every 19 months (being such an active and
robust planet of nearly the size and mass of Earth, except somewhat
better protected by its robust atmosphere and offering 10% less
gravity for us to work against, plus offering terrific buoyancy of 65
kg/m3), that’s actively venting and thermodynamically radiating as
though it were only a few hundred million years old, whereas one might
care to further ponder the commercial and private enterprise
implications of seeing another kind of future gold-rush era that could
easily be going after those abundant metallicity elements (including
uranium, thorium and radium as well as those good old standards of
gold, silver, platinum and no doubt copper, aluminum plus there’s
always iron and titanium that shouldn’t be hard to come by).
Of course our moon and Venus have each technically been commercially
viable for decades, especially since our NASA/Apollo era proved how
reliable their Nazi engineered Saturn-5 plus how unusually inert and
passive our moon apparently is, as well as having proven how 100%
reliable and relatively failsafe were each of those fly-by-rocket
landers of that era, which didn’t even bother with incorporating any
powerful momentum reaction gyros, and then our DARPA and NASA went on
to further prove how extended space travel worthy plus aerodynamic
worthy were each of those shuttles that were fully reusable as long as
none of their reentry heat shield tiles are defective or missing.
There is simply no question as to the terrific commercial/industrial
and even private value of He3, plus a complex multitude of rare
metallicity and even the element of carbonado/diamond, plus using
those mostly robotic tunnel diggers (TBMs), their excavators and raw
mineral processing technology certainly isn’t insurmountable. So, why
all the nondisclosure and otherwise, what the hell gives?
I’m still somewhat puzzled but having never been the least bit
surprised as to why this radar obtained image of “Guth Venus” has
remained so mainstream forbidden or taboo, unless it’s only because
I'm such an independent outsider (aka loose cannon) that they have
little if any control over, must be extremely dark and scary to them.
On this subject of interpreting a given image; Why is it always
permitted for our NASA and their insider associates to PhotoShop,
apply extensive frame stacking, plus artificially eyecandy colorize or
even selectively unsaturate by removing or excluding certain colors
and mainstream publish whatever image as much hype fortified
infomercials as they like (naturally fully public funded none the
less), as offered way past the point of no possible return from any
original raw data, while independent others are not permitted to even
use the most basic digital image resampling which can be easily
reversed and/or repeated for deductive interpretations by most anyone
for obtaining the exact same or better results?
Usually those individuals found in Usenet/newsgroups protecting
whatever their mainstream upper most caste of oligarch and faith-based
mafia have been doing to the rest of us, have no actual photographic
nor PhotoShop expertise of their own, because that’s not their job.
However they usually claim as being all-knowing and first-hand
expertise in everything.
Without doubt, I can easily accept that most of us honestly can not
deductively interpret an image of Mickey Mouse and be certain it's
representing anything truly artificial or real, because artistic
talent and powerful computers can make such animations (especially
those of the surrounding terrain) look every bit as good or even 3D
Avatar better than real, but then at best we're handed third or forth
generation eyecandy as Kodak film recorded or rather as Kodak
transposed derivative images from our infamous Apollo missions, and
being told that everything is represented exactly as only they have
interpreted it for us (including those spectacular reproduced and
autographed images via “moonpans”), and to never mind the laws of
physics or any best other science of color/hue or contrast dynamic
range simply doesn’t count, plus otherwise just like those independent
video and audio of WTC7 being systematically explosive detonated as
necessary for their precise demolition, whereas we're being told by
the best public-funded authority that all of those independent
recorded images and audio are entirely bogus and/or an allusion that
we shouldn't bother ourselves with. So which do we believe,
especially when we follow the money and there's ample motives, means
and opportunity, and that certainly applies to all things DARPA and
NASA whenever their public funded jobs and benefit security plus their
nifty cloak of religious faith is getting put at risk.
At the same time, I can also accept the notions or interpretation that
we're not the one and only intelligence capable of having evolved from
scratch, or perhaps otherwise via directed panspermia and intelligent
design certainly can’t be ruled out. Considering the odds against us
humans emerging and evolving from scratch right here on Earth, as such
makes me reconsider the off-world possibilities as being not nearly so
insurmountable. In fact, as of decades ago our biodiversity along
with our space travel expertise could have remotely seeded and/or
stimulated another planet like a proto-Earth into becoming yet another
Eden, by simply transporting the necessary microbes and spores and/or
going full-tilt with sending a multitude of complex species to inhabit
this other world or moon, though no doubt we’d make our fair share of
creation mistakes. Personally, I wouldn’t mess with the existing
environment nor biodiversity of another planet, but then I’m not
greedy or insensitive to the needs of others, because even unique life
sequestered within our moon or anything associated with Venus
shouldn’t be disregarded any more so than underground microbes on
Mars.
For somewhat easier comprehension, I've only slightly edited the
following context and hopefully improved its syntax, so that you and
others might bother to reconsider actually looking at the specified
image instead of merely applying your preconceived and typically
closed mindset interpretations as though your braille observationology
expertise is more than sufficient. Unlike expecting you to believe in
Muslims packing and hiding WMD, all I'm asking for is the honest
deductive interpretations by others that typically claim as having
vast expertise in every conceivable science, including
observationology, to give this one an honest look-see that even some
5th graders should be qualified for.
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In the news and offered by many of our most trendy eyecandy
publications, we have our somewhat dysfunctional and perpetual
nonprofit NASA that has gotten too big to fail, and their usual
mainstream infomercial media flow of their approved hype of supposedly
peer approved science, pertaining to all sorts of astrophysics plus
boasting on behalf of numerous exoplanets that the next hundred
generations from now will never get any probe into orbit or much less
set any naked Goldilocks foot upon within any thousand generations
from now, mostly because those other worlds and moons are situated so
far away. However, perhaps the seemingly newish and extremely nearby
Venus was once an exoplanet of Sirius(B), and right now it’s captured
as passing conveniently nearby us within 100 LD every 19 months, as
well as having been more tidal rotation locked to Earth than to the
sun (or you can always believe the more than sextillion [1e21] odds
otherwise). At least at the ongoing rate such exoplanets are getting
discovered, seems to suggest there’s going to be a lot more of those
than stars, and otherwise consider that most main sequence stars of .5
Ms and larger (roughly 33% of all stars) simply can’t forever hold
onto their planets (especially of anything of 1.5 Ms or greater
doesn’t have the same extended main sequence timeline to work with as
ours of 10+ billion years has to offer), although moons of such
wandering/rogue planets should remain firm unless their sun goes nova
or worse supernova. Otherwise white dwarfs simply lose their tidal
radii grip, which allows their planets to wander off, and by now
perhaps 5e12 items of wandering/rogue planets, planetoids and their
moon exist within our galaxy.
It’s certainly not that complex life as we know it and as representing
the majority of terrestrial biodiversity didn’t originate right here
on Earth, but this is more about other complex life as having
originated off-world and having by happenstance or via directed
panspermia contributed to our terrestrial complexity and diversity, as
well as their having found a home on a few other survivable planets
and moons. In most instances those other planets and moons would
likely not be directly suitable to any degree of sustaining such
random microbe and spore panspermia, or even those intentionally
deployed as complex life would most likely not survive, but perhaps in
some instances, such as upon Earth or via technology assisted kinds of
complex life could have made a go of it on even the geologically
active and hellish pressure-cooker world of Venus, whereas at least
via applied physics and good use of basic technology is where
surviving Venus really isn’t technically insurmountable, and
especially accommodating if our sun had been a few percent less active
as of a billion years ago.
An intentionally seeded planet or suitable moon of a gas giant could
actually evolve its own complex life fairly quickly, even if we
couldn’t get ourselves directly involved with its on-location applied
physics, biology and objective science. Never the less, and even if
Venus is an original though metallicity and geology oddball of our
solar system (much like our moon that’s physically dark and its thick
crust made extensively of paramagnetic basalt); has anyone here got
any better ideas, notions or deductive swags as to further
interpreting what that extremely large clover shaped reservoir on
Venus is all about?
For those of us that are observationology dysfunctionals, here’s a not
so little size perspective: At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium /
Louisiana Superdome (plus part of its surrounding real estate
footprint) would fit within each cup of that enormous clover shaped
reservoir.
footprint) would fit within each cup of that enormous clover shaped
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
imaging as artificial, whereas some of those other terrestrial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be interpreted as
somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and the usual
geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something hugely
geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous terrain and
within the path of a river or as typically blocking a canyon/gorge, as
somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and the usual
geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something hugely
geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous terrain and
well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon or
gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
Just for a friendly game of amusing yourself and others being a good
gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
investigative sport, this ongoing investigative effort is simply
intended to share and see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything the least bit unusual within the following image
that doesn’t quite look as though the natural laws of physics and
geology was entirely responsible. (try to remember that the original
image is that of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or
scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so its
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re stumped or
dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a bunch
of 5th graders, as a class science project.
Besides whatever perfectly natural fluid reservoiring, what the hell
intended to share and see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything the least bit unusual within the following image
that doesn’t quite look as though the natural laws of physics and
geology was entirely responsible. (try to remember that the original
image is that of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or
scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so its
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re stumped or
dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a bunch
of 5th graders, as a class science project.
(literally scorching hot as hell) is that extremely large clover
shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of
obvious, and then what about that other somewhat smaller one that’s
seemingly connected and clearly containing something fluid, not to
mention more than a few other oddly geometric considerations that look
shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of
obvious, and then what about that other somewhat smaller one that’s
seemingly connected and clearly containing something fluid, not to
as though quite artificial, almost as though some level of
intelligence had created them).
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
have its fair share of surface fluids, or at least geothermal boosted/
extruded muds or dense mineral and/or those acidic brines to contend
intelligence had created them).
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
have its fair share of surface fluids, or at least geothermal boosted/
with, as well as hydrocarbons shouldn’t be impossible once we
reconsider what the Saturn moon Titan has to work with.
Even as offering a highly conservative reservoir interpretation, it
still seems rather enormous but otherwise kind of perfectly natural,
including that other somewhat conventional reservoir above that’s
containing something fluid and seems connected. However, as far as
anyone knows, there’s not one other terrestrial example or that
obtained from any other planet or moon as offering anything nearly as
complex while situated in such a geologically mountainous terrain and
obtained from any other planet or moon as offering anything nearly as
erosion plus looking as so downright impressive, so what the hell
gives?
At this point of my ongoing observationology (11+ years of deductive
image interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover
At this point of my ongoing observationology (11+ years of deductive
shaped reservoir represents a mostly natural though extremely large
geological formation, and just because something like this highly
complex reservoir is truly big doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, and
just because the exact same image resampling process was applied
equally to each and every other available pixel which didn’t manage to
convert any of those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial
looking items, doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to
interpret as geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as
though intelligently symmetrical, are not actually there to behold,
convert any of those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial
looking items, doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to
interpret as geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as
because nature isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or
complex looking geometries, and especially whenever there’s a logical
community like infrastructure pattern involved.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
Brad Guth
Jan 29, 2012, 11:17:36 PM1/29/12
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All planets, moons and asteroids are going to be worth something to
us, and why isn’t our physically dark and paramagnetic moon with its
terrific metallicity really worth trillions upon trillions, and why
isn’t the whole planet Venus going to become worth at least a few
quadrillions?
For extensively robotic mining and excavating our moon, we have the
existing technology of TBMs or just MMMs that can be modified as
mostly robotic to suit. Once our machines are digging underground,
these robust hard-rock mining/tunneling machines could care less if
they’re working inside our moon rather than inside of Earth.
http://www.infomine.com/publications/docs/InternationalMining/Chadwick2010t.pdf
These hard-rock excavating methods of mining our moon, excavating and
processing through just about anything can be solar or nuclear
electric powered or simply HTP(h2o2) powered. Venus is going to be
quite different, although there’s no shortage of geothermal and
atmospheric differentials to obtain large amount of clean and
renewable energy from, and I’d rather doubt there’s an need of TBMs
because most everything of any value should be easily surface
accessible as is.
I’m not speaking of any one-time thing, but instead promoting a
century upon century process of extracting rare elements and otherwise
developing of those human worthy habitats and infrastructure on/within
the moon, and otherwise I’m not excluding those rigid composite
airships for Venus, even though appropriately engineered surface
habitats should also be doable. Obviously this task of our exploiting
the planet Venus is not going to be easily accomplished, though it’ll
be not only way cheaper than 911, and it should not even take nearly
as long to get desirable results rather than making most everything
worse off.
Naturally those in charge of whomever we elect or appoint will have to
automatically naysay, disagreeable and systematically oppose
absolutely everything I have to offer, so don’t ever expect any
mainstream certified peers to step forward on behalf of any of this.
In other words, we’re strictly on our own, as well as up against the
oligarchs and our public-funded peers as though we outsiders represent
the ultimate evil in America.
On Nov 13, 5:24 am, Paul Schlyter <pau...@stjarnhimlen.se> wrote:
> If it's worth merely "trillions" that would be no more than a few
> dollars per pound. I would require a considerably higher price than
> that before considering something "extremely valuable"....
According to our NASA and their always supportive army of devout FUD-
masters, plus all the usual gauntlet of brown-nosed clowns and redneck
parrots that couldn’t get a real job if they had to, the moon and
Venus are each totally worthless as inert items, of mostly common
inert monochromatic matter that’s too nearby to bother with and
otherwise impossibly too spendy and/or simply too complex to do
anything with. On the other hand, a mostly frozen to death Mars that
at best only once upon a time had any surface water to speak of,
because it had been kept alive by a substantial moon that subsequently
vanished, is supposedly worth our spending our hard earned trillions
upon, plus now we’re getting further taunted by those selling us on
various exoplanets (the further away the better), that are supposedly
well worth investing our best talents and resources of spending other
trillions upon with no possible chance of any terrestrial payback. Go
figure, how this mainstream status-quo policy is so smug and self
rightist as long as it only benefits their job security and retirement
benefits. Gee whiz, I didn’t realize the average American (meaning
those of the lower 99.9%) were so well off that we can afford to have
so many public-funded peers telling us what and how to think.
Situated a whole lot closer to home than any exoplanet; I wonder why
someone or something intelligent bothered to construct those multiple
large scale items on Venus, and otherwise why the high metallicity of
our moon is still not considered anticathode or otherwise of any
value. Perhaps because according to our Apollo science it’s
supposedly so inert and worthless?
As for the toasty/hellish planet Venus being so unbelievably hot; Are
we supposed to think that the natural random happenstance of its
toasty geology and erosion is actually capable of producing such
unusually formed geometrics and otherwise formulating symmetrically
rational looking infrastructure items, that as far as we know only our
kind of human intelligence has otherwise created.
It seems all rocky planets, planetoids, moons and asteroids offer
valuable metallicity, plus having various trapped fluids and gas/vapor
chemistry within, as well as offering whatever core of residual
geothermal cache, though obviously some more or less than others.
Clearly our physically dark moon with its extremely thick and fused
solid paramagnetic basalt crust, and of course the extremely nearby
planet Venus that by some geology expertise has its surface pegged as
only worth 300 million years old, are each local treasure troves of
valuable metallicity, plus Venus is acting as though it’s quite
actively fluid under its thin crust, almost as though its core and
fluid mantel are extensively fueled by thorium plus uranium.
Heavy elements tend to stick with a given planet, moon or asteroid,
whereas light weight elements such as hydrogen and helium tend to get
taken and/or blown away unless they are encapsulated or held down by a
substantially protective atmosphere and that’s further protected by a
geomagnetic force field. Since helium doesn’t bind with anything
(not even to itself unless it’s forced cryogenic to something near 5
K) is why helium is usually the first volumetric raw mass of element
to go along with hydrogen that only seems renewable but really isn’t.
In addition to those raw heavy elements, perhaps Venus still has a
contingency of complex and even intelligent other life NOT as we know
it, or perhaps just barely smart enough intelligent other life that’s
kind of similar to us but obviously not as K-12 mainstream dumbfounded
and useless.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-22/new-recipe-in-search-for-alien-life/3686408/?site=sydney
I’ve always found it quite scientifically odd and/or perplexing that
there's still no actual objective science pertaining to the physics of
raw/naked ice coexisting within our local solar system space of 1 AU
(such as on our naked moon), unless it's safely contained on a surface
having a sufficiently protective atmosphere, or covered by a
protective layer of dry ice or otherwise secured within a suitably
protective mass like our physically dark and paramagnetic moon has its
tough basalt crust to offer, so that the cosmic environment of hard
vacuum, radiation and solar winds can't manage to strip it away.
However, coping with our usual media gauntlet of multiple bipolars and
our typical mainstream flow of dysfunctionals suffering from cognitive
dissonance, plus their usual cover-thy-butt policy of perpetual
obfuscation working like a family mafia cabal of happy peas in a pod,
whereas each dysfunctional pea that lacks any ability to be the least
bit constructive or even police its own kind is what makes the other
peas feel right at home. Mainstream faith-based and special interest
cabals certainly have this happy pea policy nailed tight.
On Nov 23, 12:00 pm, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> A "space race" has to be contingent upon a level playing field, w.r.t.
> a much heavier earth-to-orbit market. As John F. Kennedy once said,
> "If a free society, cannot help the many who are poor, IT CANNOT
> SAVE THE FEW WHO ARE RICH." This means that the playing field
> MUST SOONER OR LATER become LEVEL for all market prospects,
> in order to minimalize rich/poor caste market catastrophe WORLDWIDE.
>
> Mostly anyone in the know about these things (including W. Mook)
> were/are sensing that what we are dealing with is an uneven playing
> field:
> http://youtu.be/HUe6mRMm3rQ
>
> Something must happen first, though, before credit must be given to
> the generations of scientists who became bound, enslaved, and/or
> killed, after refusing their particular status quo indoctrinations (by
> either the NWO we are currently at war with, or progressive cronyism
> worldwide, that led up to the current society, and all this for the noble
> cause of advancing our species orbitally and off-world...
The so called "playing field" hasn't been level since the rich and
powerful along with their trusty Semitic cabal of faith-based partners
in crimes against humanity having put the likes of Jesus Christ on a
stick (successfully blaming Romans for that deed). Those Cathars
which once had established a respectfully fair and balanced policy
along with a good working plan of educating and taking care of their
own kind without involving satanic rituals or having a bogus loot
sucking and pretentious satanic faith like those absolutely insidious
Roman Catholics of that unfortunate era, were nearly exterminated down
to the very few that managed to save themselves from the systematic
torture and death imposed upon them by that deranged and greedy Pope
of that dreadfully self-righteous era that would make Hitler seem like
an upstanding daycare and adult healthcare provider for all Semites
(especially better caring and protective of those dark skinned Jewish
folk). Obviously that greedy Pope had his very own version of faith
approved reasons for having pillaged, plundered and slaughtered so
many, so it must have been approved by God and thereby perfectly legal
(just like our born-again GW Bush, along with Dick Cheney and
Kissinger recently did in order to justify their killing plus
otherwise disenfranchising Muslims that obviously needed to be taught
a lesson as to how a better Republican version of greed, corruption
and torture was supposed to work).
William Mook is correct in much of his version or interpretation of
history. The problem is, no K-12 or higher education textbooks seem
to reflect any of this corrected/revised history (much less having
referenced anything from our Usenet doom and gloom contributor
Warhol), and therefore the rich and powerful along with their usual
public-funded cloak of faith-basted authority as Mafia partners in
crimes against humanity, get to control and/or manipulate current and
future events in order to suit their very own personal needs of greed,
hoarding and always applied authority over others (including those we
elect to lead us). Of course, notice how our recent reelection
campaigns on all sides are each ignoring as well as in perpetual
denial of their denial, as to what American leaders (our upper most
movers and shakers) had done in order to bring on 9/11.
Perhaps what those of us few honest folks need is simply a good
mainstream media channel that’s willing to investigate and help
promote and publish our independent investigative results, so that at
least the next generation of K12 textbooks doesn’t obfuscate/exclude
such interesting facts about what religions and their politics have
systematically done to us, and are still entitled as well as empowered
to do over and over without any social/political accountability nor
remorse. It’s a freaking wonder they haven’t started WW3 plus working
on their WW4 sequel, because once again the truly rich and powerful
are always winners and gainers as long as others can be provoked into
attacking us.
Obviously, even I can find those K-12 textbooks that haven’t been
upgraded for decades, with as much or more science documentation
pertaining to our nearest other planet (Venus) that’s all negative, as
in naysay and outright cringing about that hellish environment being
too nasty for naked humans. Fortunately, unlike the vast majority of
know-it-alls and mainstream FUD-masters that we always get to put up
with, especially here in Usenet/newsgroups, I’ve never once suggested
our going to Venus in the nude, or much less as any snookered and
dumbfounded Goldilocks that’s totally redneck wasted herself past the
point of no return. So these obvious naysayers plus obfuscation types
that’ll exclude all the positive and constructive considerations on
behalf of Venus isn’t new or any surprise, but then you may want to
stick with this mainstream failsafe kind of closed mindset, because
otherwise you could become unemployable..
By way of systematic obfuscation or the selective and methodical
policy of excluding all positive/constructive attributes of a given
other planet, planetoid, moon or asteroid, leaves the rest of us K12+
educated as outsiders with only those mainstream speculations based
upon the negatives or the most inhospitable aspects to ponder.
Furthermore, by such artificial and/or FUD-master means of
discrediting us and keeping such nearby off-world resources as
seemingly forbidden or taboo/nondisclosure rated, is also what keeps
the oligarch likes of DeBeers and the Rothschilds extensively in
control of our global economy, as well as their benefiting the most
from each and every good or bad step of the way, though I’m not
exactly sure we can afford to sustain this money grubbing and
debauchery policy that has to include artificial global inflation.
Darn good thing we actually went to the moon, because for once our
spendy and time consuming DARPA and NASA proved that our Saturn-V
rockets and their fly-by-rocket landers were perfectly doable and
essentially 100% reliable as of near 45 years ago, as well as proving
that our naked and physically dark moon really wasn’t the least bit
nasty. In fact, they found out for us that the moon wasn’t even the
least bit physically dark nor even the least bit photographically
contrasty, as well as it wasn’t hardly strewn with meteorites nor as
having hardly any volume of secondary crater shards and dust from
thousands of horrific impacts that created such numerous and enormous
craters plus craters within craters, as well as their having proven
how UV, gamma and X-ray inert it all supposedly is, as offering a kind
of passive monochromatic pastel gray fluff that offered terrific
surface tension by way of nicely clumping, plus that naked environment
was not offering any significant risk from new impacts nor anything to
worry about passing specks, pebbles and meteors that just fly past at
up to 72 km/sec without their hardly ever touching the surface nor
having impacted a darn thing we might care to place upon its extremely
naked surface. Therefore we now realize that our moon has been
technically doable and that it’s a relatively harmless environment, as
well as offering access to unlimited solar energy plus having its
nighttime extremely well illuminated via terrific earthshine by
upwards of 50 times that of full moonlight, so its nearside is almost
never entirely in the dark and thereby its nearside is not allowed to
get nearly as cold by night as we’d thought. Of course there has
never been any kind of direct interactive thermal tracking for the
rest of us to go by, because apparently that kind of surface deployed
science was simply too difficult.
We’ve all been K12+ educated in order to understand that our lunar
daytime surface gets to 123 C (not including whatever local secondary/
recoil of IR contributes with another 1220 w/m2 which can easily push
this upwards of reaching at least 138 C, because there’s simply no
place for that kind of heat to go). However, we’re still limited or
restricted as to the NASA/Apollo era of science data that’s still
encrypted and/or wasn’t the least bit independently objective, so
thereby we still have no good means of actually knowing what the full
earthshine illuminated nighttime upon the nearside of our moon really
is, and we’re still without any truly interactive science instruments
on the lunar surface is what makes this science even more so
subjective.
Earthshine (radiative equilibrium): Our Shuttles had to compensate
for 236~266 w/m2, the average of 240 w/m2 for the whole Earth, and
possibly as great as 342 w/m2 as the infrared daytime outflux, whereas
some portion of this IR earthshine also has to heat that nearside
nighttime lunar surface. I’ll suggest that the nearside nighttime
receiving a full flux of IR earthshine is kept well above 120K, such
as in some areas we can expect 150 K (“At low and mid-latitudes, there
are isolated warmer regions with nighttime temperatures of -208
degrees Fahrenheit.”) along with full earthshine might easily exceed
175 K, or in other words accomplishing a 150 K boost above the coldest
temperatures recorded by our LCROSS method which identified a few cold
spots of 25 K, as another way of telling us that Earthshine alone is
worth a boost of 150 K above that of any 100% shaded terrain. The
actual full planetshine or earthshine of visual and IR spectrum energy
is actually quite significant surface illumination, as more than
sufficient for PV panels to extract sufficient energy than any typical
daytime on Mars.
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/gallery/south_pole_summer_noon_annotated.jpg
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/blog/?cat=1
“The image of course includes the permanently-shadowed Hermite
crater, which is where Diviner detected temperatures as low as -415 F
(-248 C), the coldest ever measured in our solar system.” Other polar
craters offering continuous shade of 43 K, and of course they go so
far as to interpret this LROC science as supporting their theory or
conjecture for the moon having retained several million m3 of ice that
managed to survive the extreme vacuum, residual core heat upwelling
plus the continuous influx of the SW and IR planetshine that’s capable
of getting partially into those nearside polar craters where
supposedly the sun never shines.
The all-inclusive collective of IGM starlight or starshine supposedly
contributes only 3e-8 w/m2, so obviously planetshine/earthshine is a
rather considerable contributor towards warming that nearside moon
nighttime temperature. The planetshine IR of even 20.75 w/m2 is
roughly 125 K worth of surface warming, which is still damn cold.
So, perhaps the same outcome will eventually become true of Venus, as
not being quite as toasty hot and/or as crystal dry and inert CO2
gassy. In fact, besides active volcanic flows of lava, muds and
perhaps hydrocarbons, Venus could also be actively spewing geothermal
heated vapors that has to include water, as well as unavoidably
dispensing oxygen, hydrogen, helium along with assorted metallicity
elements that give its surface such a terrific radar reflective
quality.
Getting this personal rant or manifesto back to “Guth Venus” is just
an ongoing topic that’s of research focused upon one relatively small
area of an otherwise terrific radar obtained imaged portion of the
extremely nearby planet Venus, that which seems to depict a rather
fair number of extremely interesting geology attributes that also
seems as though offering a perfectly active and complex portion of
mountainous terrain, as well as depicting a fair number of those
highly unusual geometrical attributes that have otherwise never been
recorded elsewhere, as having been caused or created by nature of any
other known geology and subsequent erosion, nor shaped via those pesky
plate tectonics which the planet Venus w/o moon has but extremely few
of those seismic issues to contend with.
Of course, if you can only manage to see a natural evolved pile of hot
rocks as situated in perfectly random happenstance patterns (meaning
no interpretations of any geometrics, symmetrical or rational
infrastructure patterns whatsoever), then perhaps don’t bother your
mainstream closed mindset self any further, because the rest of this
topic is only going to keep pissing you off.
Here’s a not so little size perspective analogy:
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be rather easily
yourself, and for others being a good open-minded investigative sport,
this ongoing observationology effort is simply intended to share and
pixel, obtained at a nifty FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so that its
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re totally stumped or
kinda dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a
then what about that other somewhat smaller reservoir that’s seemingly
quite artificial, as though some level of logical intelligence had
boosted/extruded muds or dense mineral and/or sulfur acidic brines to
contend with, as well as hydrocarbons really shouldn’t be all that
impossible once we reconsider what hydrocarbons the Saturn moon Titan
has to work with (highly unlikely produced by any organic decay).
Even as offering a conservative natural reservoir interpretation, it
seems as rather complex and enormous but otherwise it certainly could
be kind of perfectly natural, including that other somewhat
conventional round reservoir above that’s containing something fluid
that also seems connected. However, as far as anyone knows, there’s
impressive with its reservoirs, complex of a flat airstrip, plus
offering a nearby bridge and multiple other structural looking
attributes of a logical community that kind of depicts a rational
infrastructure. So what the hell gives?
At this point of my observationology (11+ years of deductive image
interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover shaped
reservoir could represent a mostly natural though extremely large and
complex formation, and just because something like this complex
reservoir is truly big and of such a geometric design doesn’t mean
mean that the few items it did manage to interpret as being
sufficiently geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as
something intelligently symmetrical are not actually there to behold,
because nature usually isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical
and/or complex looking geometries, and especially not whenever a
logical or rational community like infrastructure gets involved.
If you’d care to further explore the commercial and private
exploitation of Venus, or even that of our trusty moon, then by all
means it’s still every bit as good of time as any. However, for
personal safety and job security is why you have to stick within a
specified social/political policy and faith-based mainstream closed
mindset, don't even bother yourself to risk that failsafe life by
actually looking at Venus, unless you do not mind discovering what
your peers and their government army of mostly public-funded peers and
FUD-masters hasn’t been willing to tell us about such a nearby planet
of such terrific metallicity that’s so geothermally active.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
us, and why isn’t our physically dark and paramagnetic moon with its
terrific metallicity really worth trillions upon trillions, and why
isn’t the whole planet Venus going to become worth at least a few
quadrillions?
For extensively robotic mining and excavating our moon, we have the
existing technology of TBMs or just MMMs that can be modified as
mostly robotic to suit. Once our machines are digging underground,
these robust hard-rock mining/tunneling machines could care less if
they’re working inside our moon rather than inside of Earth.
http://www.infomine.com/publications/docs/InternationalMining/Chadwick2010t.pdf
These hard-rock excavating methods of mining our moon, excavating and
processing through just about anything can be solar or nuclear
electric powered or simply HTP(h2o2) powered. Venus is going to be
quite different, although there’s no shortage of geothermal and
atmospheric differentials to obtain large amount of clean and
renewable energy from, and I’d rather doubt there’s an need of TBMs
because most everything of any value should be easily surface
accessible as is.
I’m not speaking of any one-time thing, but instead promoting a
century upon century process of extracting rare elements and otherwise
developing of those human worthy habitats and infrastructure on/within
the moon, and otherwise I’m not excluding those rigid composite
airships for Venus, even though appropriately engineered surface
habitats should also be doable. Obviously this task of our exploiting
the planet Venus is not going to be easily accomplished, though it’ll
be not only way cheaper than 911, and it should not even take nearly
as long to get desirable results rather than making most everything
worse off.
Naturally those in charge of whomever we elect or appoint will have to
automatically naysay, disagreeable and systematically oppose
absolutely everything I have to offer, so don’t ever expect any
mainstream certified peers to step forward on behalf of any of this.
In other words, we’re strictly on our own, as well as up against the
oligarchs and our public-funded peers as though we outsiders represent
the ultimate evil in America.
On Nov 13, 5:24 am, Paul Schlyter <pau...@stjarnhimlen.se> wrote:
> If it's worth merely "trillions" that would be no more than a few
> dollars per pound. I would require a considerably higher price than
> that before considering something "extremely valuable"....
According to our NASA and their always supportive army of devout FUD-
masters, plus all the usual gauntlet of brown-nosed clowns and redneck
parrots that couldn’t get a real job if they had to, the moon and
Venus are each totally worthless as inert items, of mostly common
inert monochromatic matter that’s too nearby to bother with and
otherwise impossibly too spendy and/or simply too complex to do
anything with. On the other hand, a mostly frozen to death Mars that
at best only once upon a time had any surface water to speak of,
because it had been kept alive by a substantial moon that subsequently
vanished, is supposedly worth our spending our hard earned trillions
upon, plus now we’re getting further taunted by those selling us on
various exoplanets (the further away the better), that are supposedly
well worth investing our best talents and resources of spending other
trillions upon with no possible chance of any terrestrial payback. Go
figure, how this mainstream status-quo policy is so smug and self
rightist as long as it only benefits their job security and retirement
benefits. Gee whiz, I didn’t realize the average American (meaning
those of the lower 99.9%) were so well off that we can afford to have
so many public-funded peers telling us what and how to think.
Situated a whole lot closer to home than any exoplanet; I wonder why
someone or something intelligent bothered to construct those multiple
large scale items on Venus, and otherwise why the high metallicity of
our moon is still not considered anticathode or otherwise of any
value. Perhaps because according to our Apollo science it’s
supposedly so inert and worthless?
As for the toasty/hellish planet Venus being so unbelievably hot; Are
we supposed to think that the natural random happenstance of its
toasty geology and erosion is actually capable of producing such
unusually formed geometrics and otherwise formulating symmetrically
rational looking infrastructure items, that as far as we know only our
kind of human intelligence has otherwise created.
It seems all rocky planets, planetoids, moons and asteroids offer
valuable metallicity, plus having various trapped fluids and gas/vapor
chemistry within, as well as offering whatever core of residual
geothermal cache, though obviously some more or less than others.
Clearly our physically dark moon with its extremely thick and fused
solid paramagnetic basalt crust, and of course the extremely nearby
planet Venus that by some geology expertise has its surface pegged as
only worth 300 million years old, are each local treasure troves of
valuable metallicity, plus Venus is acting as though it’s quite
actively fluid under its thin crust, almost as though its core and
fluid mantel are extensively fueled by thorium plus uranium.
Heavy elements tend to stick with a given planet, moon or asteroid,
whereas light weight elements such as hydrogen and helium tend to get
taken and/or blown away unless they are encapsulated or held down by a
substantially protective atmosphere and that’s further protected by a
geomagnetic force field. Since helium doesn’t bind with anything
(not even to itself unless it’s forced cryogenic to something near 5
K) is why helium is usually the first volumetric raw mass of element
to go along with hydrogen that only seems renewable but really isn’t.
In addition to those raw heavy elements, perhaps Venus still has a
contingency of complex and even intelligent other life NOT as we know
it, or perhaps just barely smart enough intelligent other life that’s
kind of similar to us but obviously not as K-12 mainstream dumbfounded
and useless.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-22/new-recipe-in-search-for-alien-life/3686408/?site=sydney
I’ve always found it quite scientifically odd and/or perplexing that
there's still no actual objective science pertaining to the physics of
raw/naked ice coexisting within our local solar system space of 1 AU
(such as on our naked moon), unless it's safely contained on a surface
having a sufficiently protective atmosphere, or covered by a
protective layer of dry ice or otherwise secured within a suitably
protective mass like our physically dark and paramagnetic moon has its
tough basalt crust to offer, so that the cosmic environment of hard
vacuum, radiation and solar winds can't manage to strip it away.
However, coping with our usual media gauntlet of multiple bipolars and
our typical mainstream flow of dysfunctionals suffering from cognitive
dissonance, plus their usual cover-thy-butt policy of perpetual
obfuscation working like a family mafia cabal of happy peas in a pod,
whereas each dysfunctional pea that lacks any ability to be the least
bit constructive or even police its own kind is what makes the other
peas feel right at home. Mainstream faith-based and special interest
cabals certainly have this happy pea policy nailed tight.
On Nov 23, 12:00 pm, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> A "space race" has to be contingent upon a level playing field, w.r.t.
> a much heavier earth-to-orbit market. As John F. Kennedy once said,
> "If a free society, cannot help the many who are poor, IT CANNOT
> SAVE THE FEW WHO ARE RICH." This means that the playing field
> MUST SOONER OR LATER become LEVEL for all market prospects,
> in order to minimalize rich/poor caste market catastrophe WORLDWIDE.
>
> Mostly anyone in the know about these things (including W. Mook)
> were/are sensing that what we are dealing with is an uneven playing
> field:
> http://youtu.be/HUe6mRMm3rQ
>
> Something must happen first, though, before credit must be given to
> the generations of scientists who became bound, enslaved, and/or
> killed, after refusing their particular status quo indoctrinations (by
> either the NWO we are currently at war with, or progressive cronyism
> worldwide, that led up to the current society, and all this for the noble
> cause of advancing our species orbitally and off-world...
The so called "playing field" hasn't been level since the rich and
powerful along with their trusty Semitic cabal of faith-based partners
in crimes against humanity having put the likes of Jesus Christ on a
stick (successfully blaming Romans for that deed). Those Cathars
which once had established a respectfully fair and balanced policy
along with a good working plan of educating and taking care of their
own kind without involving satanic rituals or having a bogus loot
sucking and pretentious satanic faith like those absolutely insidious
Roman Catholics of that unfortunate era, were nearly exterminated down
to the very few that managed to save themselves from the systematic
torture and death imposed upon them by that deranged and greedy Pope
of that dreadfully self-righteous era that would make Hitler seem like
an upstanding daycare and adult healthcare provider for all Semites
(especially better caring and protective of those dark skinned Jewish
folk). Obviously that greedy Pope had his very own version of faith
approved reasons for having pillaged, plundered and slaughtered so
many, so it must have been approved by God and thereby perfectly legal
(just like our born-again GW Bush, along with Dick Cheney and
Kissinger recently did in order to justify their killing plus
otherwise disenfranchising Muslims that obviously needed to be taught
a lesson as to how a better Republican version of greed, corruption
and torture was supposed to work).
William Mook is correct in much of his version or interpretation of
history. The problem is, no K-12 or higher education textbooks seem
to reflect any of this corrected/revised history (much less having
referenced anything from our Usenet doom and gloom contributor
Warhol), and therefore the rich and powerful along with their usual
public-funded cloak of faith-basted authority as Mafia partners in
crimes against humanity, get to control and/or manipulate current and
future events in order to suit their very own personal needs of greed,
hoarding and always applied authority over others (including those we
elect to lead us). Of course, notice how our recent reelection
campaigns on all sides are each ignoring as well as in perpetual
denial of their denial, as to what American leaders (our upper most
movers and shakers) had done in order to bring on 9/11.
Perhaps what those of us few honest folks need is simply a good
mainstream media channel that’s willing to investigate and help
promote and publish our independent investigative results, so that at
least the next generation of K12 textbooks doesn’t obfuscate/exclude
such interesting facts about what religions and their politics have
systematically done to us, and are still entitled as well as empowered
to do over and over without any social/political accountability nor
remorse. It’s a freaking wonder they haven’t started WW3 plus working
on their WW4 sequel, because once again the truly rich and powerful
are always winners and gainers as long as others can be provoked into
attacking us.
Obviously, even I can find those K-12 textbooks that haven’t been
upgraded for decades, with as much or more science documentation
pertaining to our nearest other planet (Venus) that’s all negative, as
in naysay and outright cringing about that hellish environment being
too nasty for naked humans. Fortunately, unlike the vast majority of
know-it-alls and mainstream FUD-masters that we always get to put up
with, especially here in Usenet/newsgroups, I’ve never once suggested
our going to Venus in the nude, or much less as any snookered and
dumbfounded Goldilocks that’s totally redneck wasted herself past the
point of no return. So these obvious naysayers plus obfuscation types
that’ll exclude all the positive and constructive considerations on
behalf of Venus isn’t new or any surprise, but then you may want to
stick with this mainstream failsafe kind of closed mindset, because
otherwise you could become unemployable..
By way of systematic obfuscation or the selective and methodical
policy of excluding all positive/constructive attributes of a given
other planet, planetoid, moon or asteroid, leaves the rest of us K12+
educated as outsiders with only those mainstream speculations based
upon the negatives or the most inhospitable aspects to ponder.
Furthermore, by such artificial and/or FUD-master means of
discrediting us and keeping such nearby off-world resources as
seemingly forbidden or taboo/nondisclosure rated, is also what keeps
the oligarch likes of DeBeers and the Rothschilds extensively in
control of our global economy, as well as their benefiting the most
from each and every good or bad step of the way, though I’m not
exactly sure we can afford to sustain this money grubbing and
debauchery policy that has to include artificial global inflation.
Darn good thing we actually went to the moon, because for once our
spendy and time consuming DARPA and NASA proved that our Saturn-V
rockets and their fly-by-rocket landers were perfectly doable and
essentially 100% reliable as of near 45 years ago, as well as proving
that our naked and physically dark moon really wasn’t the least bit
nasty. In fact, they found out for us that the moon wasn’t even the
least bit physically dark nor even the least bit photographically
contrasty, as well as it wasn’t hardly strewn with meteorites nor as
having hardly any volume of secondary crater shards and dust from
thousands of horrific impacts that created such numerous and enormous
craters plus craters within craters, as well as their having proven
how UV, gamma and X-ray inert it all supposedly is, as offering a kind
of passive monochromatic pastel gray fluff that offered terrific
surface tension by way of nicely clumping, plus that naked environment
was not offering any significant risk from new impacts nor anything to
worry about passing specks, pebbles and meteors that just fly past at
up to 72 km/sec without their hardly ever touching the surface nor
having impacted a darn thing we might care to place upon its extremely
naked surface. Therefore we now realize that our moon has been
technically doable and that it’s a relatively harmless environment, as
well as offering access to unlimited solar energy plus having its
nighttime extremely well illuminated via terrific earthshine by
upwards of 50 times that of full moonlight, so its nearside is almost
never entirely in the dark and thereby its nearside is not allowed to
get nearly as cold by night as we’d thought. Of course there has
never been any kind of direct interactive thermal tracking for the
rest of us to go by, because apparently that kind of surface deployed
science was simply too difficult.
We’ve all been K12+ educated in order to understand that our lunar
daytime surface gets to 123 C (not including whatever local secondary/
recoil of IR contributes with another 1220 w/m2 which can easily push
this upwards of reaching at least 138 C, because there’s simply no
place for that kind of heat to go). However, we’re still limited or
restricted as to the NASA/Apollo era of science data that’s still
encrypted and/or wasn’t the least bit independently objective, so
thereby we still have no good means of actually knowing what the full
earthshine illuminated nighttime upon the nearside of our moon really
is, and we’re still without any truly interactive science instruments
on the lunar surface is what makes this science even more so
subjective.
Earthshine (radiative equilibrium): Our Shuttles had to compensate
for 236~266 w/m2, the average of 240 w/m2 for the whole Earth, and
possibly as great as 342 w/m2 as the infrared daytime outflux, whereas
some portion of this IR earthshine also has to heat that nearside
nighttime lunar surface. I’ll suggest that the nearside nighttime
receiving a full flux of IR earthshine is kept well above 120K, such
as in some areas we can expect 150 K (“At low and mid-latitudes, there
are isolated warmer regions with nighttime temperatures of -208
degrees Fahrenheit.”) along with full earthshine might easily exceed
175 K, or in other words accomplishing a 150 K boost above the coldest
temperatures recorded by our LCROSS method which identified a few cold
spots of 25 K, as another way of telling us that Earthshine alone is
worth a boost of 150 K above that of any 100% shaded terrain. The
actual full planetshine or earthshine of visual and IR spectrum energy
is actually quite significant surface illumination, as more than
sufficient for PV panels to extract sufficient energy than any typical
daytime on Mars.
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/gallery/south_pole_summer_noon_annotated.jpg
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/blog/?cat=1
“The image of course includes the permanently-shadowed Hermite
crater, which is where Diviner detected temperatures as low as -415 F
(-248 C), the coldest ever measured in our solar system.” Other polar
craters offering continuous shade of 43 K, and of course they go so
far as to interpret this LROC science as supporting their theory or
conjecture for the moon having retained several million m3 of ice that
managed to survive the extreme vacuum, residual core heat upwelling
plus the continuous influx of the SW and IR planetshine that’s capable
of getting partially into those nearside polar craters where
supposedly the sun never shines.
The all-inclusive collective of IGM starlight or starshine supposedly
contributes only 3e-8 w/m2, so obviously planetshine/earthshine is a
rather considerable contributor towards warming that nearside moon
nighttime temperature. The planetshine IR of even 20.75 w/m2 is
roughly 125 K worth of surface warming, which is still damn cold.
So, perhaps the same outcome will eventually become true of Venus, as
not being quite as toasty hot and/or as crystal dry and inert CO2
gassy. In fact, besides active volcanic flows of lava, muds and
perhaps hydrocarbons, Venus could also be actively spewing geothermal
heated vapors that has to include water, as well as unavoidably
dispensing oxygen, hydrogen, helium along with assorted metallicity
elements that give its surface such a terrific radar reflective
quality.
Getting this personal rant or manifesto back to “Guth Venus” is just
an ongoing topic that’s of research focused upon one relatively small
area of an otherwise terrific radar obtained imaged portion of the
extremely nearby planet Venus, that which seems to depict a rather
fair number of extremely interesting geology attributes that also
seems as though offering a perfectly active and complex portion of
mountainous terrain, as well as depicting a fair number of those
highly unusual geometrical attributes that have otherwise never been
recorded elsewhere, as having been caused or created by nature of any
other known geology and subsequent erosion, nor shaped via those pesky
plate tectonics which the planet Venus w/o moon has but extremely few
of those seismic issues to contend with.
Of course, if you can only manage to see a natural evolved pile of hot
rocks as situated in perfectly random happenstance patterns (meaning
no interpretations of any geometrics, symmetrical or rational
infrastructure patterns whatsoever), then perhaps don’t bother your
mainstream closed mindset self any further, because the rest of this
topic is only going to keep pissing you off.
Here’s a not so little size perspective analogy:
At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium / Louisiana Superdome (plus part of its
surrounding real estate footprint) would fit within each cup of that
enormous clover shaped reservoir.
surrounding real estate footprint) would fit within each cup of that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
imaging as artificial, whereas some of those other terrestrial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be rather easily
interpreted as somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
hugely geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous
terrain and within the path of a river or as blocking a canyon/gorge,
as well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon
or gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
Just for a friendly intellectual game of amusing or brain-teasing
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
hugely geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous
terrain and within the path of a river or as blocking a canyon/gorge,
as well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon
or gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
yourself, and for others being a good open-minded investigative sport,
this ongoing observationology effort is simply intended to share and
see if anyone else can manage to deductively interpret anything the
least bit unusual within the following image that doesn’t quite look
as though the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely
responsible. (try to remember that the original image is that of a
radar obtained composite offering 36 confirming looks or scans per
least bit unusual within the following image that doesn’t quite look
as though the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely
responsible. (try to remember that the original image is that of a
pixel, obtained at a nifty FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so that its
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re totally stumped or
kinda dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a
bunch of 5th graders, as a class science project.
Besides perfectly natural reservoir functions, what the hell
(literally scorching hot as hell) is that extremely large clover
shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of
obviously interpreted as something that’s symmetrically geometric, and
shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of
then what about that other somewhat smaller reservoir that’s seemingly
connected and clearly containing something fluid, not to mention more
than a few other odd geometric considerations that look as though
quite artificial, as though some level of logical intelligence had
created them).
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
have had its fair share of surface fluids, or at least geothermal
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
boosted/extruded muds or dense mineral and/or sulfur acidic brines to
contend with, as well as hydrocarbons really shouldn’t be all that
impossible once we reconsider what hydrocarbons the Saturn moon Titan
has to work with (highly unlikely produced by any organic decay).
Even as offering a conservative natural reservoir interpretation, it
seems as rather complex and enormous but otherwise it certainly could
be kind of perfectly natural, including that other somewhat
conventional round reservoir above that’s containing something fluid
that also seems connected. However, as far as anyone knows, there’s
not one other terrestrial example or that obtained from any other
planet or moon as offering anything nearly as geologically mountainous
terrain and erosion complex, plus otherwise looking as downright
planet or moon as offering anything nearly as geologically mountainous
impressive with its reservoirs, complex of a flat airstrip, plus
offering a nearby bridge and multiple other structural looking
attributes of a logical community that kind of depicts a rational
infrastructure. So what the hell gives?
At this point of my observationology (11+ years of deductive image
interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover shaped
reservoir could represent a mostly natural though extremely large and
complex formation, and just because something like this complex
reservoir is truly big and of such a geometric design doesn’t mean
that it doesn’t exist, and just because the exact same digital image
resampling process was applied equally to each and every other
available pixel which didn’t manage to convert any of those other
surrounding raw terrain pixels into artificial looking items, doesn’t
resampling process was applied equally to each and every other
available pixel which didn’t manage to convert any of those other
mean that the few items it did manage to interpret as being
sufficiently geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as
something intelligently symmetrical are not actually there to behold,
because nature usually isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical
and/or complex looking geometries, and especially not whenever a
logical or rational community like infrastructure gets involved.
If you’d care to further explore the commercial and private
exploitation of Venus, or even that of our trusty moon, then by all
means it’s still every bit as good of time as any. However, for
personal safety and job security is why you have to stick within a
specified social/political policy and faith-based mainstream closed
mindset, don't even bother yourself to risk that failsafe life by
actually looking at Venus, unless you do not mind discovering what
your peers and their government army of mostly public-funded peers and
FUD-masters hasn’t been willing to tell us about such a nearby planet
of such terrific metallicity that’s so geothermally active.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
Brad Guth
Jan 30, 2012, 12:37:50 AM1/30/12
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Here’s yet another enterprising alternative as to our avoiding the
geothermally hot and nasty surface of Venus, as representing a kind of
upper atmospheric home away from home, based entirely on buoyancy.
There have actually been many such floating city notions, so this one
by Dave Dietzler isn’t entirely original, and even William Mook (our
resident wizard of everything under the sun) highly approves of this
method. Myself, not so much impressed.
How to Do Venus / Building those Surreal Estates of Venus
http://www.moonminer.com/Venus.html
Solar Powered Flight on Venus
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
loot on any of this one bit.
Not that an extremely nearby Venus is ever going to become perfectly
naked Goldilocks worthy, but none the less it does offer more or less
all the same elements as Earth, and with its unlimited local resources
of renewable clean energy means that it could easily accommodate any
number of sufficiently educated Goldilocks that's at least smarter
than a 5th grader, and that’s a whole lot smarter than a typical adult
redneck because at least they’ll know how to properly use an “Ove
Glove” before touching hot stuff.
Personally, I think any notions of floating cities is incredibly
stupid (especially considering the upper atmospheric weather is
anything but calm), although a fleet of composite rigid airships
(robotic and fully manned) for the cruising lower atmosphere seem
perfectly sane and otherwise highly productive.
Here’s that same pesky 11+ year old burning question of the day:
Where's all of our supposed crack image interpretation expertise
hiding? (actually they’ve had roughly 17 years to get this one right)
How about those public-funded wizards of our NSA/CIA and Qinetiq-NA,
along with NIMA/NGIA doing their usual terrific image interpreting
thing, of having to spy on us plus spot all those Muslim WMD hidden on
Venus because of how they did such a fine job right here on Earth with
a thousand times better resolution plus those reliable informants that
only had ulterior motives, vested interest and their faith-based
policy to satisfy.
Obviously they’re all flat out of such skills and expertise whenever
it comes down to interpreting off-world reservoirs (natural or
artificial), not to mention their interpreting anything enormously
bridge like or otherwise geometrically suggestive of anything
potentially infrastructure worthy, like a very big airstrip kind of
surface that’s for obvious reasons made flat and otherwise oddly
raised out of and/or situated within an otherwise extremely
mountainous area of terrain, along with several other nearby
structures in a seemingly rational community setting that can not be
so easily interpreted as perfectly natural terrain and erosion formed,
perhaps because that simply isn’t within any of their specified job
skill requirements to honestly and deductively interpret anything they
haven’t been specifically instructed to look for and identify, such as
Muslim WMD.
In spite of this ongoing mainstream naysay gauntlet, “Guth Venus” is
just an ongoing topic that’s focused upon interpreting one relatively
small but extremely interesting area of an otherwise terrific radar
obtained imaged portion of this extremely nearby planet, that which
seems to depict a rather fair number of rather extremely interesting
has but extremely few if any of those issues to contend with.
Of course, if you only manage to see a nasty pile of hot rocks in
perfectly random happenstance patterns (meaning no geometric,
around:
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be rather easily
to contend with, as well as hydrocarbons shouldn’t be impossible once
we reconsider what the Saturn moon Titan supposedly has to work with.
Even as offering a conservative natural reservoir interpretation, it
that’s containing something fluid and seems connected. However, as
interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover shaped
infrastructure is involved.
If you’d care to further explore the commercial and private
exploitation of Venus, then by all means it’s still every bit as good
of time as any, especially to consider the greater good and long-term
job benefits that off-world metallicity mining and processing has to
offer us or whomever gets there first, or you can always stick with
your mainstream failsafe denial, because just look at how well that
status-quo has turned out.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
geothermally hot and nasty surface of Venus, as representing a kind of
upper atmospheric home away from home, based entirely on buoyancy.
There have actually been many such floating city notions, so this one
by Dave Dietzler isn’t entirely original, and even William Mook (our
resident wizard of everything under the sun) highly approves of this
method. Myself, not so much impressed.
How to Do Venus / Building those Surreal Estates of Venus
http://www.moonminer.com/Venus.html
Solar Powered Flight on Venus
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
and me) As of 2010 they employ near 14,000 and they are mostly public
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
funded but remain off the regular books so that it doesn’t appear as
any official agency or extension of our government (kind of like their
Federal Reserve that gets to operate as they please).
Just what we all need is yet another 14,000 spendy cloak and dagger
positions of FUD-masters and their stealth infrastructure to pay for,
Federal Reserve that gets to operate as they please).
Just what we all need is yet another 14,000 spendy cloak and dagger
not to mention our having to pay for whatever mistakes and cover-thy-
butt expenses. I'm certain the Rothschilds and all the public funded
ZNR/GOP redneck minions of oligarchs don't mind spending our hard earn
loot on any of this one bit.
Not that an extremely nearby Venus is ever going to become perfectly
naked Goldilocks worthy, but none the less it does offer more or less
all the same elements as Earth, and with its unlimited local resources
of renewable clean energy means that it could easily accommodate any
number of sufficiently educated Goldilocks that's at least smarter
than a 5th grader, and that’s a whole lot smarter than a typical adult
redneck because at least they’ll know how to properly use an “Ove
Glove” before touching hot stuff.
Personally, I think any notions of floating cities is incredibly
stupid (especially considering the upper atmospheric weather is
anything but calm), although a fleet of composite rigid airships
(robotic and fully manned) for the cruising lower atmosphere seem
perfectly sane and otherwise highly productive.
Here’s that same pesky 11+ year old burning question of the day:
Where's all of our supposed crack image interpretation expertise
hiding? (actually they’ve had roughly 17 years to get this one right)
How about those public-funded wizards of our NSA/CIA and Qinetiq-NA,
along with NIMA/NGIA doing their usual terrific image interpreting
thing, of having to spy on us plus spot all those Muslim WMD hidden on
Venus because of how they did such a fine job right here on Earth with
a thousand times better resolution plus those reliable informants that
only had ulterior motives, vested interest and their faith-based
policy to satisfy.
Obviously they’re all flat out of such skills and expertise whenever
it comes down to interpreting off-world reservoirs (natural or
artificial), not to mention their interpreting anything enormously
bridge like or otherwise geometrically suggestive of anything
potentially infrastructure worthy, like a very big airstrip kind of
surface that’s for obvious reasons made flat and otherwise oddly
raised out of and/or situated within an otherwise extremely
mountainous area of terrain, along with several other nearby
structures in a seemingly rational community setting that can not be
so easily interpreted as perfectly natural terrain and erosion formed,
perhaps because that simply isn’t within any of their specified job
skill requirements to honestly and deductively interpret anything they
haven’t been specifically instructed to look for and identify, such as
Muslim WMD.
In spite of this ongoing mainstream naysay gauntlet, “Guth Venus” is
just an ongoing topic that’s focused upon interpreting one relatively
small but extremely interesting area of an otherwise terrific radar
obtained imaged portion of this extremely nearby planet, that which
seems to depict a rather fair number of rather extremely interesting
geology attributes that also seems as though offering a perfectly
active and complex portion of Venus terrain, as well as depicting a
fair number of those highly unusual geometrical attributes that have
otherwise never been recorded elsewhere as having been caused or
created by nature of any other known geology and subsequent erosion,
nor via those pesky plate tectonics which the planet Venus w/o moon
has but extremely few if any of those issues to contend with.
Of course, if you only manage to see a nasty pile of hot rocks in
perfectly random happenstance patterns (meaning no geometric,
symmetrical or rational infrastructure patterns whatsoever), then
perhaps don’t bother your mainstream closed-mindset self any further,
because the rest of this topic is only going to keep pissing you off.
Here’s a not so little size perspective to wrap your naysay head
around:
At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium / Louisiana Superdome (plus part of its
surrounding real estate footprint) would fit within each cup of that
enormous clover shaped reservoir.
surrounding real estate footprint) would fit within each cup of that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
imaging as artificial, whereas some of those other terrestrial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be rather easily
interpreted as somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
hugely geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in such mountainous
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
terrain and within the path of a river or as blocking a canyon/gorge,
as well as for anything bridging or spanning over such an enormous
canyon or gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as
having been artificially created. But you really need to look for
yourself and deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
Just for my perfectly friendly intellectual game of amusing yourself,
having been artificially created. But you really need to look for
yourself and deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
and for others being a good open-minded investigative sport, this
ongoing observationology effort is simply intended to share and see if
anyone else can manage to deductively interpret anything the least bit
unusual within the following image that doesn’t quite look as though
the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely responsible. (try
to remember that the original image is that of a radar obtained
composite of 36 confirming looks or scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV
down angle of 43 degrees, so that its interpretation can be nearly 3D
unusual within the following image that doesn’t quite look as though
the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely responsible. (try
to remember that the original image is that of a radar obtained
composite of 36 confirming looks or scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV
worthy). If you’re stumped or dumbfounded, then turn this
observationology request over to a bunch of 5th graders, as a class
science project.
Besides identifying those perfectly natural geology reservoirs, what
observationology request over to a bunch of 5th graders, as a class
science project.
the hell (literally scorching hot as hell) is that extremely large
clover shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind
of obvious, and then what about that other somewhat smaller one that’s
seemingly connected and clearly containing something fluid, not to
mention more than a few other odd geometric considerations that look
clover shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind
of obvious, and then what about that other somewhat smaller one that’s
seemingly connected and clearly containing something fluid, not to
as though quite artificial, almost as though some level of
intelligence had created them).
It’s unlikely that such a dynamically complex and active planet as
intelligence had created them).
Venus wouldn’t have its fair share of surface fluids, or at least
geothermal boosted/extruded muds or dense mineral and/or acidic brines
to contend with, as well as hydrocarbons shouldn’t be impossible once
we reconsider what the Saturn moon Titan supposedly has to work with.
Even as offering a conservative natural reservoir interpretation, it
seems rather enormous but otherwise kind of perfectly natural,
including that other somewhat smaller conventional reservoir above it
that’s containing something fluid and seems connected. However, as
far as anyone knows, there’s not one other terrestrial example or that
obtained from any other planet (including Earth) or moon as offering
anything nearly as geologically mountainous terrain and erosion
complex plus looking downright impressive, so what the hell gives?
At this point of my observationology (11+ years of my deductive image
complex plus looking downright impressive, so what the hell gives?
interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a large clover shaped
reservoir represents a mostly natural though extremely large
formation, and just because something like this complex reservoir is
truly big doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, and just because the
exact same image resampling process was applied equally to each and
every other available pixel which didn’t manage to convert any of
those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial looking items,
doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to help us interpret as
those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial looking items,
geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as intelligently
symmetrical, are not actually there to behold, because nature really
isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or complex looking
geometries, and especially unlikely whenever a logical community like
symmetrical, are not actually there to behold, because nature really
isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or complex looking
infrastructure is involved.
If you’d care to further explore the commercial and private
of time as any, especially to consider the greater good and long-term
job benefits that off-world metallicity mining and processing has to
offer us or whomever gets there first, or you can always stick with
your mainstream failsafe denial, because just look at how well that
status-quo has turned out.
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
Brad Guth
Jan 30, 2012, 1:52:59 PM1/30/12
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Attention all you science smart K12s, plus each and anyone else that
cares to see for themselves what our crack government agencies and
their contracted insiders would much rather you didn’t bother yourself
to realize: Finding Waldo on Venus is actually much easier said than
done, but otherwise finding the substantial Waldo tarmac/airstrip plus
identifying multiple other large scale or substantial kinds of
infrastructure that looks perfectly rational, is really quite easy.
At least our Venusian Waldo is not mainstream snookered and
dumbfounded past the point of no return, in that Waldo gets to use his/
her own eyes and can deductively interpret and think outside the
failsafe mainstream status quo that’s dominated by closed mindsets.
You can use Adobe PhotoShop or even this free "IrfanView" image
processing utility is somewhat like being digital image potty trained,
as well as having been 5th grader approved and thus offering as good
as any LeapFrog pop-up science book can deliver. Not that any number
of equal or better digital image methods for enlarging haven’t existed
as is, but here's simply yet another old one that has been perked up
so that not even a 5th grader is necessary to operate it. If you can
click your mouse or one finger type on a keyboard, that's pretty much
all the image processing expertise you'll ever need.
IrfanView
http://www.irfanview.com/
PhotoZoom Pro (mac and pc)
http://www.benvista.com/main/content/content.php?page=downloads
The original GIF image file:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
If you’d care to first crop out and save the most interesting 10%
central portion (roughly centered as a third up and at 1:1 (225 meter/
pixel resolution), as I've so often instructed (gives roughly a 64 k
image file that’s always a 100% clone replica of the original without
having all the surrounding image content to deal with), whereas the
automated enlargement process should now run a good ten fold faster,
and perhaps another ten fold faster yet if using XP instead of Windows
7 (but that's certainly not my fault).
Of course Apple/MAC users are not without every bit as good or better
alternatives than PhotoZoom. However, this public-funded radar
obtained image of Venus is just offering a basic composite monochrome
file of only 651 k to start with, of not all that many pixel
processing to begin with, so any 10x enlargement is still going to be
processed relatively efficient and otherwise greatly simplified, in
that not even a dysfunctional 5th grader is required, and because such
photographic processing software doesn’t realize nor care what sort of
image content it is processing, there’s absolutely nothing weird or
unexpected going to happen unless you have some kind of faith-based or
some other unresolved dysfunctional naysay kind of perpetual social/
political discrimination embedded problem(s).
Virtually all digital cameras and photo printers of any significance
come packaged along with a basic photo resizing/enlarging option, with
their automatic zoom image filtering utility for delivering those
sufficient image enlargement results that do not modify or otherwise
skew the raw image data. Commercially or via government agencies
should naturally have far better zoom/enlarge or image resampling
results that are certainly available to those with either the
necessary loot or having their inside connections for using such
better software.
Perhaps start off looking for our Venusian Waldo or whatever else
looks unusually odd by way of suggesting to yourself there’s some kind
of Venus intelligence, perhaps hidden somewhere near that complex
tarmac/airstrip, or perhaps this Waldo is hiding somewhere over near
that large clover shaped reservoir that seems connected to that other
reservoir which clearly contains a little something fluid, or how
about looking near that perfectly natural fluid arch, if not checking
around and under that impressive bridge, or just nearby any number of
other large scale items of their community infrastructure (including
those rectangular rock quarry sites situated just north of that
terrific bridge). There’s at least 5 gold stars plus a million other
points to go along with your name, as you’d be given full credits for
finding our Venusian Waldo. K12 team/class science efforts are
allowed to collaborate on this, because there’s lots of
observationology credits to go around. While you’re at it,
accomplishing your very own image enlargement and having uploaded it
and posting a link to your image enlargement version, or you can at
least pretend that you care by doing absolutely nothing except
reviewing and judging my results.
cares to see for themselves what our crack government agencies and
their contracted insiders would much rather you didn’t bother yourself
to realize: Finding Waldo on Venus is actually much easier said than
done, but otherwise finding the substantial Waldo tarmac/airstrip plus
identifying multiple other large scale or substantial kinds of
infrastructure that looks perfectly rational, is really quite easy.
At least our Venusian Waldo is not mainstream snookered and
dumbfounded past the point of no return, in that Waldo gets to use his/
her own eyes and can deductively interpret and think outside the
failsafe mainstream status quo that’s dominated by closed mindsets.
You can use Adobe PhotoShop or even this free "IrfanView" image
processing utility is somewhat like being digital image potty trained,
as well as having been 5th grader approved and thus offering as good
as any LeapFrog pop-up science book can deliver. Not that any number
of equal or better digital image methods for enlarging haven’t existed
as is, but here's simply yet another old one that has been perked up
so that not even a 5th grader is necessary to operate it. If you can
click your mouse or one finger type on a keyboard, that's pretty much
all the image processing expertise you'll ever need.
IrfanView
http://www.irfanview.com/
PhotoZoom Pro (mac and pc)
http://www.benvista.com/main/content/content.php?page=downloads
The original GIF image file:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
If you’d care to first crop out and save the most interesting 10%
central portion (roughly centered as a third up and at 1:1 (225 meter/
pixel resolution), as I've so often instructed (gives roughly a 64 k
image file that’s always a 100% clone replica of the original without
having all the surrounding image content to deal with), whereas the
automated enlargement process should now run a good ten fold faster,
and perhaps another ten fold faster yet if using XP instead of Windows
7 (but that's certainly not my fault).
Of course Apple/MAC users are not without every bit as good or better
alternatives than PhotoZoom. However, this public-funded radar
obtained image of Venus is just offering a basic composite monochrome
file of only 651 k to start with, of not all that many pixel
processing to begin with, so any 10x enlargement is still going to be
processed relatively efficient and otherwise greatly simplified, in
that not even a dysfunctional 5th grader is required, and because such
photographic processing software doesn’t realize nor care what sort of
image content it is processing, there’s absolutely nothing weird or
unexpected going to happen unless you have some kind of faith-based or
some other unresolved dysfunctional naysay kind of perpetual social/
political discrimination embedded problem(s).
Virtually all digital cameras and photo printers of any significance
come packaged along with a basic photo resizing/enlarging option, with
their automatic zoom image filtering utility for delivering those
sufficient image enlargement results that do not modify or otherwise
skew the raw image data. Commercially or via government agencies
should naturally have far better zoom/enlarge or image resampling
results that are certainly available to those with either the
necessary loot or having their inside connections for using such
better software.
Perhaps start off looking for our Venusian Waldo or whatever else
looks unusually odd by way of suggesting to yourself there’s some kind
of Venus intelligence, perhaps hidden somewhere near that complex
tarmac/airstrip, or perhaps this Waldo is hiding somewhere over near
that large clover shaped reservoir that seems connected to that other
reservoir which clearly contains a little something fluid, or how
about looking near that perfectly natural fluid arch, if not checking
around and under that impressive bridge, or just nearby any number of
other large scale items of their community infrastructure (including
those rectangular rock quarry sites situated just north of that
terrific bridge). There’s at least 5 gold stars plus a million other
points to go along with your name, as you’d be given full credits for
finding our Venusian Waldo. K12 team/class science efforts are
allowed to collaborate on this, because there’s lots of
observationology credits to go around. While you’re at it,
accomplishing your very own image enlargement and having uploaded it
and posting a link to your image enlargement version, or you can at
least pretend that you care by doing absolutely nothing except
reviewing and judging my results.
Brad Guth
Jan 31, 2012, 12:47:40 PM1/31/12
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Brad Guth
Jan 31, 2012, 7:50:13 PM1/31/12
to
On Jan 30, 10:52 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
you.
Brad Guth
Feb 1, 2012, 5:48:24 PM2/1/12
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On Jan 30, 10:52 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
have been hiding from you. Now who can you trust?
Brad Guth
Feb 2, 2012, 2:28:47 AM2/2/12
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Hay all you smart kids, have another look-see at what your parents and
grandparents have been hiding from you. Now, who can you trust?
Is our government and their many agencies always open and trustworthy?
Are your teachers always good at sharing the best available
information?
grandparents have been hiding from you. Now, who can you trust?
Is our government and their many agencies always open and trustworthy?
Are your teachers always good at sharing the best available
information?
Brad Guth
Feb 3, 2012, 10:53:04 PM2/3/12
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Hay all you smart science kids, have another look-see at what your
parents and grandparents have been hiding from you. Now rethink, who
Most public educated K-12s don't even know about this global Usenet or
its many newsgroups, and fewer are even allowed access via their
school intranets and web browsers that have filters.
Are your teachers and peers always good at sharing or even allowing
the best available information? (mine certainly were not that great,
but at least my father and a few of his friends had open minds)
parents and grandparents have been hiding from you. Now rethink, who
can you trust?
Is our government and their many agencies always open and trustworthy?
(perhaps not)
Is our government and their many agencies always open and trustworthy?
Most public educated K-12s don't even know about this global Usenet or
its many newsgroups, and fewer are even allowed access via their
school intranets and web browsers that have filters.
Are your teachers and peers always good at sharing or even allowing
the best available information? (mine certainly were not that great,
but at least my father and a few of his friends had open minds)
Brad Guth
Feb 3, 2012, 10:59:31 PM2/3/12
to
You don’t have to be an Einstein or even a Sheldon Cooper to
appreciate the observationology of deductively interpreting an image.
However, without an open mindset you’re kind of screwed into only
accepting whatever the mainstream status quo has to say.
By way of my deductive image interpreting (aka observationology), it
can be reasonably argued that a sufficiently intelligent other kind of
that are off-limits to us naked humans, but clearly our moon and the
appreciate the observationology of deductively interpreting an image.
However, without an open mindset you’re kind of screwed into only
accepting whatever the mainstream status quo has to say.
By way of my deductive image interpreting (aka observationology), it
can be reasonably argued that a sufficiently intelligent other kind of
extremely nearby planet Venus are not on any physics or technology “NO
FLY” list. This ongoing gauntlet of recent solar CMEs headed towards
us is way off the hook for being lethal to anyone visiting our naked
and physically dark moon, however, that worse than toasty surface of
Venus is hardly if even measurably affected by the absolute worse
kinds of solar X+ flair events and halo CMEs, all because of that
FLY” list. This ongoing gauntlet of recent solar CMEs headed towards
us is way off the hook for being lethal to anyone visiting our naked
and physically dark moon, however, that worse than toasty surface of
Venus is hardly if even measurably affected by the absolute worse
thick and robust atmosphere is providing a truly nifty shield.
Brad Guth
Feb 5, 2012, 12:33:23 AM2/5/12
to
mind it'll make the task a whole lot more productive.
By first scanning over a large area of Venus before zooming in on
anything unusual, will be a productive method. In other words, don't
just focus yourself upon whatever specific enlargement that I've
accomplished, because if you don't know what the rest of Venus is
supposed to look like, you will not be prepared to understand what
isn't natural.
Brad Guth
Feb 6, 2012, 9:43:34 AM2/6/12
to
On Feb 3, 7:59 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
that isn't mainstream approved.
Allowing actual new science into this public newsgroup medium isn't
something these Usenet insiders want to see happen, but you can read
it anyway.
Most K-12s are automatically excluded or banished via intranet filters
and other methods, including how Google make access to these public
newsgroups nearly impossible to find, and their "Google+" version
makes it even more restricted and just slower to respond (I guess
that's progress).
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/efe219b64d99f880?hl=en%01e2d9843fcc79017#
Brad Guth
Feb 6, 2012, 10:22:41 AM2/6/12
to
Apparently the usual media oligarchs and FUD-masters of
"alt.astronomy" and many other newsgroups, can't deal with anything
that isn't fully mainstream approved. Allowing actual new science
Most K-12s have already been automatically excluded or banished (as
well as snookered and systematically dumbfounded past the point of no
return) via indoctrination, intranet filters and other methods,
including how Google makes access to these public newsgroups nearly
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e4105e7234409b99?hl
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/efe219b64d99f880?hl
"alt.astronomy" and many other newsgroups, can't deal with anything
that isn't fully mainstream approved. Allowing actual new science
into this public newsgroup medium isn't something these Usenet
insiders want to see happen, but you can read it and reply anyway.
Most K-12s have already been automatically excluded or banished (as
well as snookered and systematically dumbfounded past the point of no
return) via indoctrination, intranet filters and other methods,
including how Google makes access to these public newsgroups nearly
impossible to find, and their "Google+" version makes it even more
restricted and just slower to respond (I guess that's progress).
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/45a69518da54748e?hl
restricted and just slower to respond (I guess that's progress).
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e4105e7234409b99?hl
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/efe219b64d99f880?hl
On Feb 3, 7:59 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 7, 2012, 1:04:02 AM2/7/12
to
On Feb 6, 7:22 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently the usual media oligarchs and FUD-masters of
> "alt.astronomy" and many other newsgroups, can't deal with anything
> that isn't fully mainstream approved. Allowing actual new science
> into this public newsgroup medium isn't something these Usenet
> insiders want to see happen, but you can read it and reply anyway.
>
> Most K-12s have already been automatically excluded or banished (as
> well as snookered and systematically dumbfounded past the point of no
> return) via indoctrination, intranet filters and other methods,
> including how Google makes access to these public newsgroups nearly
> impossible to find, and their "Google+" version makes it even more
> restricted and just slower to respond (I guess that's progress).
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/45a695...
> Apparently the usual media oligarchs and FUD-masters of
> "alt.astronomy" and many other newsgroups, can't deal with anything
> that isn't fully mainstream approved. Allowing actual new science
> into this public newsgroup medium isn't something these Usenet
> insiders want to see happen, but you can read it and reply anyway.
>
> Most K-12s have already been automatically excluded or banished (as
> well as snookered and systematically dumbfounded past the point of no
> return) via indoctrination, intranet filters and other methods,
> including how Google makes access to these public newsgroups nearly
> impossible to find, and their "Google+" version makes it even more
> restricted and just slower to respond (I guess that's progress).
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e4105e...
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/efe219...
Brad Guth
Feb 8, 2012, 12:26:21 AM2/8/12
to
At least Venus doesn't have AGW issues.
On Feb 6, 7:22 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently the usual media oligarchs and FUD-masters of
> "alt.astronomy" and many other newsgroups, can't deal with anything
> that isn't fully mainstream approved. Allowing actual new science
> into this public newsgroup medium isn't something these Usenet
> insiders want to see happen, but you can read it and reply anyway.
>
> Most K-12s have already been automatically excluded or banished (as
> well as snookered and systematically dumbfounded past the point of no
> return) via indoctrination, intranet filters and other methods,
> including how Google makes access to these public newsgroups nearly
> impossible to find, and their "Google+" version makes it even more
> restricted and just slower to respond (I guess that's progress).
> "alt.astronomy" and many other newsgroups, can't deal with anything
> that isn't fully mainstream approved. Allowing actual new science
> into this public newsgroup medium isn't something these Usenet
> insiders want to see happen, but you can read it and reply anyway.
>
> Most K-12s have already been automatically excluded or banished (as
> well as snookered and systematically dumbfounded past the point of no
> return) via indoctrination, intranet filters and other methods,
> including how Google makes access to these public newsgroups nearly
> impossible to find, and their "Google+" version makes it even more
> restricted and just slower to respond (I guess that's progress).
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/45a695...
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e4105e...
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/efe219...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e4105e...
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/efe219...
>
Brad Guth
Feb 8, 2012, 11:39:20 PM2/8/12
to
At least the extremely nearby planet Venus doesn't have AGW issues,
just a perfectly naturally geothermal heated environment with a little
extra atmospheric insulation.
just a perfectly naturally geothermal heated environment with a little
extra atmospheric insulation.
> Apparently the usual media oligarchs and FUD-masters of
> "alt.astronomy" and many other newsgroups, can't deal with anything
> that isn't fully mainstream approved. Allowing actual new science
> into this public newsgroup medium isn't something these Usenet
> insiders want to see happen, but you can read it and reply anyway.
>
> Most K-12s have already been automatically excluded or banished (as
> well as snookered and systematically dumbfounded past the point of no
> return) via indoctrination, intranet filters and other methods,
> including how Google makes access to these public newsgroups nearly
> impossible to find, and their "Google+" version makes it even more
> restricted and just slower to respond (I guess that's progress).
> "alt.astronomy" and many other newsgroups, can't deal with anything
> that isn't fully mainstream approved. Allowing actual new science
> into this public newsgroup medium isn't something these Usenet
> insiders want to see happen, but you can read it and reply anyway.
>
> Most K-12s have already been automatically excluded or banished (as
> well as snookered and systematically dumbfounded past the point of no
> return) via indoctrination, intranet filters and other methods,
> including how Google makes access to these public newsgroups nearly
> impossible to find, and their "Google+" version makes it even more
> restricted and just slower to respond (I guess that's progress).
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/45a695...
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e4105e...
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/efe219...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e4105e...
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/efe219...
>
Brad Guth
Feb 9, 2012, 4:38:54 PM2/9/12
to
No good reason to fire up fission on Venus, even though there's plenty
of uranium and thorium to spare (that's according to those Russian
probes as having landed on its toasty surface).
of uranium and thorium to spare (that's according to those Russian
probes as having landed on its toasty surface).
Brad Guth
Feb 9, 2012, 10:05:52 PM2/9/12
to
On Feb 3, 7:59 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
sighted but genetically colorblind.
You'd think that looking at a perfectly good image of "Guth Venus"
would have a few lights turning on, or at least their usual dimmers
cranked up, but instead they seem to have lost what little sight they
once had, that is unless all of their bulbs are burnt out.
Brad Guth
Feb 10, 2012, 1:41:03 AM2/10/12
to
The cool Venus L2 outpost/gateway/oasis:
87% ~ 89% shaded by Venus, the L2 provides a nearly ideal OASIS/
outpost location at 1.014e6 km from Venus (12% of 2640 w/m2 = 317 w/
m2), is sufficiently shaded to represent roughly less than half the
average solar influx that our ISS gets to deal with 686 w/m2 of
external heat flux directly from the sun plus at least another 234 w/
m2 that’s always derived back from Earth. Technically speaking, Earth
has to reflect and radiate 342 w/m2 (some claim 396 w/m2, whereas our
NASA set the surface IR outflux at 234 w/m2 (others have this longwave
IR at 239 w/m2), so there’s obviously no scientific consensus or any
one official interpretation to go by). At any rate it’s usually
complex and always highly spectrum dependent, whereas unlike LEO,
Venus L2 is far enough away that it doesn’t have hardly any
planetshine or pesky blackbody longwave IR issues to contend with, so
everything is always kept much cooler at Venus L2, plus so much easier
to get rid of surplus heat, as well as there’s always a whole lot less
cosmic and lunar gamma (especially when there’s also no nearby gamma
moon to deal with)
Here’s some of the math:
“The Earth's surface generates 390 W/m2 at 15o C.”
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=243619
http://objectivistindividualist.blogspot.com/2011/01/blackbody-radiation-and-consensus.html
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:o1-cGRSaARgJ:clowder.net/hop/railroad/L1-2_distances.xls+sun-venus+L2+km&cd=196&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
VL2 = 1,014,226 km = 88% shaded by Venus = 12% illuminated
VL2 = 1,014,290 km = 88% shaded by Venus = 12% illuminated
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WVbRZLK2s1gJ:clowder.net/hop/railroad/Hohmann.xls+sun-venus+L2&cd=19&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
? using VL2 = 1,007,824 km
Solar influx at 108,209,000 + 1,007,824 = (109,216,824 km) is 2640 w/
m2
2640 x .12 = 317 w/m2
-
? using VL2 = 1,004,392 km
Solar influx at 108,209,000 + 1,004,392 = (109,213,392 km) is 2640 w/
m2
2640 x .1175 = 310 w/m2
That’s actually kind of cool, as in nearly as cold as the blackbody
average radiation of Earth, and otherwise it’s worth less than half of
what the International Space Station gets to deal with.
Image interpreting is not always as easy as it sounds or looks, but if
87% ~ 89% shaded by Venus, the L2 provides a nearly ideal OASIS/
outpost location at 1.014e6 km from Venus (12% of 2640 w/m2 = 317 w/
m2), is sufficiently shaded to represent roughly less than half the
average solar influx that our ISS gets to deal with 686 w/m2 of
external heat flux directly from the sun plus at least another 234 w/
m2 that’s always derived back from Earth. Technically speaking, Earth
has to reflect and radiate 342 w/m2 (some claim 396 w/m2, whereas our
NASA set the surface IR outflux at 234 w/m2 (others have this longwave
IR at 239 w/m2), so there’s obviously no scientific consensus or any
one official interpretation to go by). At any rate it’s usually
complex and always highly spectrum dependent, whereas unlike LEO,
Venus L2 is far enough away that it doesn’t have hardly any
planetshine or pesky blackbody longwave IR issues to contend with, so
everything is always kept much cooler at Venus L2, plus so much easier
to get rid of surplus heat, as well as there’s always a whole lot less
cosmic and lunar gamma (especially when there’s also no nearby gamma
moon to deal with)
Here’s some of the math:
“The Earth's surface generates 390 W/m2 at 15o C.”
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=243619
http://objectivistindividualist.blogspot.com/2011/01/blackbody-radiation-and-consensus.html
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:o1-cGRSaARgJ:clowder.net/hop/railroad/L1-2_distances.xls+sun-venus+L2+km&cd=196&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
VL2 = 1,014,226 km = 88% shaded by Venus = 12% illuminated
VL2 = 1,014,290 km = 88% shaded by Venus = 12% illuminated
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WVbRZLK2s1gJ:clowder.net/hop/railroad/Hohmann.xls+sun-venus+L2&cd=19&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
? using VL2 = 1,007,824 km
Solar influx at 108,209,000 + 1,007,824 = (109,216,824 km) is 2640 w/
m2
2640 x .12 = 317 w/m2
-
? using VL2 = 1,004,392 km
Solar influx at 108,209,000 + 1,004,392 = (109,213,392 km) is 2640 w/
m2
2640 x .1175 = 310 w/m2
That’s actually kind of cool, as in nearly as cold as the blackbody
average radiation of Earth, and otherwise it’s worth less than half of
what the International Space Station gets to deal with.
Image interpreting is not always as easy as it sounds or looks, but if
you have an open mind it'll make the task a whole lot more
productive. By first scanning over a large area of Venus before
zooming in on anything unusual, will become a productive method. In
productive. By first scanning over a large area of Venus before
other words, don't just focus yourself upon whatever specific
enlargement that I've accomplished, because if you don't know what the
rest of Venus is supposed to look like, you will not be prepared to
understand what isn't natural.
enlargement that I've accomplished, because if you don't know what the
rest of Venus is supposed to look like, you will not be prepared to
understand what isn't natural.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
On Feb 3, 7:59 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 11, 2012, 8:11:34 PM2/11/12
to
How pathetic, that not even Venus L2 can be contemplated.
It's as though anything having to do with the extremely nearby planet
Venus is officially taboo/nondisclosure rated. I guess this means
K-12s are still not allowed to remove their mainstream status quo butt
plugs.
Public Usenet newsgroups:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/topics
On Feb 9, 10:41 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The cool Venus L2 outpost/gateway/oasis:
> 87% ~ 89% shaded by Venus, the L2 provides a nearly ideal OASIS/
> outpost location at 1.014e6 km from Venus (12% of 2640 w/m2 = 317 w/
> m2), is sufficiently shaded to represent roughly less than half the
> average solar influx that our ISS gets to deal with 686 w/m2 of
> external heat flux directly from the sun plus at least another 234 w/
> m2 that’s always derived back from Earth. Technically speaking, Earth
> has to reflect and radiate 342 w/m2 (some claim 396 w/m2, whereas our
> NASA set the surface IR outflux at 234 w/m2 (others have this longwave
> IR at 239 w/m2), so there’s obviously no scientific consensus or any
> one official interpretation to go by). At any rate it’s usually
> complex and always highly spectrum dependent, whereas unlike LEO,
> Venus L2 is far enough away that it doesn’t have hardly any
> planetshine or pesky blackbody longwave IR issues to contend with, so
> everything is always kept much cooler at Venus L2, plus so much easier
> to get rid of surplus heat, as well as there’s always a whole lot less
> cosmic and lunar gamma (especially when there’s also no nearby gamma
> moon to deal with)
>
> Here’s some of the math:
> “The Earth's surface generates 390 W/m2 at 15o C.”
> http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=243619
> http://objectivistindividualist.blogspot.com/2011/01/blackbody-radiat...
>
> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:o1-cGRSaARgJ:clo...
It's as though anything having to do with the extremely nearby planet
Venus is officially taboo/nondisclosure rated. I guess this means
K-12s are still not allowed to remove their mainstream status quo butt
plugs.
Public Usenet newsgroups:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/topics
On Feb 9, 10:41 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The cool Venus L2 outpost/gateway/oasis:
> 87% ~ 89% shaded by Venus, the L2 provides a nearly ideal OASIS/
> outpost location at 1.014e6 km from Venus (12% of 2640 w/m2 = 317 w/
> m2), is sufficiently shaded to represent roughly less than half the
> average solar influx that our ISS gets to deal with 686 w/m2 of
> external heat flux directly from the sun plus at least another 234 w/
> m2 that’s always derived back from Earth. Technically speaking, Earth
> has to reflect and radiate 342 w/m2 (some claim 396 w/m2, whereas our
> NASA set the surface IR outflux at 234 w/m2 (others have this longwave
> IR at 239 w/m2), so there’s obviously no scientific consensus or any
> one official interpretation to go by). At any rate it’s usually
> complex and always highly spectrum dependent, whereas unlike LEO,
> Venus L2 is far enough away that it doesn’t have hardly any
> planetshine or pesky blackbody longwave IR issues to contend with, so
> everything is always kept much cooler at Venus L2, plus so much easier
> to get rid of surplus heat, as well as there’s always a whole lot less
> cosmic and lunar gamma (especially when there’s also no nearby gamma
> moon to deal with)
>
> Here’s some of the math:
> “The Earth's surface generates 390 W/m2 at 15o C.”
> http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=243619
>
> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:o1-cGRSaARgJ:clo...
> VL2 = 1,014,226 km = 88% shaded by Venus = 12% illuminated
> VL2 = 1,014,290 km = 88% shaded by Venus = 12% illuminated
>
> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WVbRZLK2s1gJ:clo...
> VL2 = 1,014,290 km = 88% shaded by Venus = 12% illuminated
>
Brad Guth
Feb 12, 2012, 6:55:46 PM2/12/12
to
How mainstream pathetic, that not even Venus L2 can be contemplated.
It's as though anything having to do with the extremely nearby planet
Venus or even that of utilizing its L2 is officially taboo/
that can be remotely triggered by those in authority that we don't
even get to elect or appoint.
Public Usenet newsgroup (shortcuts):
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.education.science/topics
On Feb 9, 10:41 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The cool Venus L2 outpost/gateway/oasis:
> 87% ~ 89% shaded by Venus, the L2 provides a nearly ideal OASIS/
> outpost location at 1.014e6 km from Venus (12% of 2640 w/m2 = 317 w/
> m2), is sufficiently shaded to represent roughly less than half the
> average solar influx that our ISS gets to deal with 686 w/m2 of
> external heat flux directly from the sun plus at least another 234 w/
> m2 that’s always derived back from Earth. Technically speaking, Earth
> has to reflect and radiate 342 w/m2 (some claim 396 w/m2, whereas our
> NASA set the surface IR outflux at 234 w/m2 (others have this longwave
> IR at 239 w/m2), so there’s obviously no scientific consensus or any
> one official interpretation to go by). At any rate it’s usually
> complex and always highly spectrum dependent, whereas unlike LEO,
> Venus L2 is far enough away that it doesn’t have hardly any
> planetshine or pesky blackbody longwave IR issues to contend with, so
> everything is always kept much cooler at Venus L2, plus so much easier
> to get rid of surplus heat, as well as there’s always a whole lot less
> cosmic and lunar gamma (especially when there’s also no nearby gamma
> moon to deal with)
>
> Here’s some of the math:
> “The Earth's surface generates 390 W/m2 at 15o C.”
> http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=243619
It's as though anything having to do with the extremely nearby planet
Venus or even that of utilizing its L2 is officially taboo/
nondisclosure rated. I guess this means K-12s are still not allowed
to remove their mainstream status quo butt-plugs that are also tasers
that can be remotely triggered by those in authority that we don't
even get to elect or appoint.
Public Usenet newsgroup (shortcuts):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.media.newspapers/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.education.science/topics
On Feb 9, 10:41 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The cool Venus L2 outpost/gateway/oasis:
> 87% ~ 89% shaded by Venus, the L2 provides a nearly ideal OASIS/
> outpost location at 1.014e6 km from Venus (12% of 2640 w/m2 = 317 w/
> m2), is sufficiently shaded to represent roughly less than half the
> average solar influx that our ISS gets to deal with 686 w/m2 of
> external heat flux directly from the sun plus at least another 234 w/
> m2 that’s always derived back from Earth. Technically speaking, Earth
> has to reflect and radiate 342 w/m2 (some claim 396 w/m2, whereas our
> NASA set the surface IR outflux at 234 w/m2 (others have this longwave
> IR at 239 w/m2), so there’s obviously no scientific consensus or any
> one official interpretation to go by). At any rate it’s usually
> complex and always highly spectrum dependent, whereas unlike LEO,
> Venus L2 is far enough away that it doesn’t have hardly any
> planetshine or pesky blackbody longwave IR issues to contend with, so
> everything is always kept much cooler at Venus L2, plus so much easier
> to get rid of surplus heat, as well as there’s always a whole lot less
> cosmic and lunar gamma (especially when there’s also no nearby gamma
> moon to deal with)
>
> Here’s some of the math:
> “The Earth's surface generates 390 W/m2 at 15o C.”
> http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=243619
> http://objectivistindividualist.blogspot.com/2011/01/blackbody-radiat...
>
> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:o1-cGRSaARgJ:clo...
>
> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:o1-cGRSaARgJ:clo...
> VL2 = 1,014,226 km = 88% shaded by Venus = 12% illuminated
> VL2 = 1,014,290 km = 88% shaded by Venus = 12% illuminated
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> VL2 = 1,014,290 km = 88% shaded by Venus = 12% illuminated
>
Brad Guth
Feb 13, 2012, 1:18:47 AM2/13/12
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little size perspective to ponder: At 275 m, the Cowboys Stadium /
Louisiana Superdome (plus part of its surrounding real estate
footprint) would fit within each cup of that enormous clover shaped
footprint) would fit within each cup of that enormous clover shaped
reservoir of perhaps a total capacity of roughly 50e6 m3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
imaging as anything artificial, whereas some of those other
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_Super_Dome_in_New_Orleans,_Louisiana.jpg
We humans have also created our very own enormously artificial
reservoirs by having constructed large dams, although a somewhat
roundish natural formed reservoir like Crater Lake of 8500 meters
diameter is actually a substantial volcano pit which isn’t the least
bit artificial nor has it ever been interpreted as such from satellite
terrestrial reservoirs as viewed from orbit would tend to be
interpreted as somewhat if not entirely artificial because, nature and
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
hugely geometric and/or so unusually symmetrical in mountainous
the usual geology of land and erosion doesn’t usually place something
terrain and within the path of a river or as blocking a canyon/gorge,
as well as for anything bridging or spanning over an enormous canyon
or gorge is likely going to get deductively interpreted as having been
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
Just for a friendly game of amusing yourself, and others being a good
artificially created. But you really need to look for yourself and
deductively interpret before taking sides on this one.
investigative sport, this ongoing investigative effort is simply
intended to share and see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything the least bit unusual within the following image
that doesn’t quite look as though the natural laws of physics and
geology was entirely responsible. (try to remember that the original
image is that of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or
scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so its
interpret anything the least bit unusual within the following image
that doesn’t quite look as though the natural laws of physics and
geology was entirely responsible. (try to remember that the original
image is that of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or
interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re stumped or
dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a bunch
of 5th graders, as a class science project.
Besides those perfectly natural reservoir functions, what the hell
dumbfounded, then turn this observationology request over to a bunch
of 5th graders, as a class science project.
(literally scorching hot as hell) is that extremely large clover
shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of
obvious, and then what about that other somewhat smaller one that’s
seemingly connected and clearly containing something fluid, not to
mention more than a few other extremely odd geometric considerations
shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it’s really big and kind of
obvious, and then what about that other somewhat smaller one that’s
seemingly connected and clearly containing something fluid, not to
that look as though quite artificial, almost as though some level of
intelligence had created them).
It’s unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn’t
intelligence had created them).
have its fair share of surface fluids, or at least geothermal boosted/
extruded muds or dense mineral and/or acidic brines to contend with,
extruded muds or dense mineral and/or acidic brines to contend with,
as well as certain hydrocarbons shouldn’t be technically impossible
(as long as its specific gravity at the given pressure and temperature
suits) once we reconsider what hydrocarbons the Saturn moon Titan has
(as long as its specific gravity at the given pressure and temperature
to work with.
Even as offering a fairly conservative reservoir interpretation, it
seems rather enormous but otherwise kind of perfectly natural,
including that other somewhat conventional reservoir above it that’s
containing something fluid and even seems connected. However, as far
as anyone knows, there’s not one other terrestrial example or that
obtained from any other planet or moon as offering anything nearly as
geologically mountainous terrain and erosion complex plus looking
downright impressive, so what the hell gives?
At this point of my ongoing observationology (11+ years of deductive
downright impressive, so what the hell gives?
image interpreting), I’m still favoring that such a truly large clover
shaped reservoir represents a mostly natural though extremely large
formation, and just because something like this complex shaped
reservoir is truly big doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, and just
because the exact same digital image resampling process was applied
equally to each and every other available pixel which didn’t manage to
convert any of those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial
looking items, doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to
convert any of those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial
looking items, doesn’t mean that the few items it did manage to
interpret as geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as
intelligently symmetrical, are not actually there to behold, because
nature really isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or
intelligently symmetrical, are not actually there to behold, because
nature really isn’t very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or
complex looking geometries, and especially whenever a perfectly
logical community like infrastructure is also involved. So, perhaps
the laws of physics, and geology tend to function differently when
given such an unusually dynamic environment to work with.
As of many years ago, I’ve already said that this could be from some
past mining efforts, as some remainders of the once upon a time
intelligent other life, that may have never realized a cool and wet
planet like Earth was so nearby. I’m also not the only one that has
considered the idea that Venus was previously a cooler planet, but
then I have no idea as to what could have forced the global
temperature to rise so extensively unless the hydrocarbons of Venus
had set the whole planet on fire, and/or the excessive metallicity of
thorium and uranium is what made the whole planet into a subdued or
minimal reactor, because the scientific consensus about those
extremely thick and robust clouds tend to favor that they’re doing as
much or more to reflect solar energy than they allow to get down to
its surface which is well documented as having been geologically
active and venting like crazy.
logical community like infrastructure is also involved. So, perhaps
the laws of physics, and geology tend to function differently when
given such an unusually dynamic environment to work with.
As of many years ago, I’ve already said that this could be from some
past mining efforts, as some remainders of the once upon a time
intelligent other life, that may have never realized a cool and wet
planet like Earth was so nearby. I’m also not the only one that has
considered the idea that Venus was previously a cooler planet, but
then I have no idea as to what could have forced the global
temperature to rise so extensively unless the hydrocarbons of Venus
had set the whole planet on fire, and/or the excessive metallicity of
thorium and uranium is what made the whole planet into a subdued or
minimal reactor, because the scientific consensus about those
extremely thick and robust clouds tend to favor that they’re doing as
much or more to reflect solar energy than they allow to get down to
its surface which is well documented as having been geologically
active and venting like crazy.
Brad Guth
Feb 13, 2012, 1:54:31 PM2/13/12
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Brad Guth
Feb 13, 2012, 10:46:43 PM2/13/12
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All planets, moons and asteroids are essentially made of the same
elements and of the same cosmic age as their galaxy, and otherwise
created of a newer age as to whatever their respective progenitor
stars were made of and created via fusion, and subsequently all is
forever a derivative loop of the exact same original cosmic stuff that
produced our galaxy (namely vast molecular/nebula clouds of sufficient
metallicity that collectively formed seeds or nodes of sufficient
gravity which started popping out as billions of stars).
Obviously there have been secondary, third and other most recent
fourth and fifth generation stellar, planet, moon and asteroid age
differences, as well as compounded by wandering molecular nebulae and
their individual metallicity saturation differences, plus always the
random happenstance wild-card of whatever novas and supernovas having
managed to stimulate some of these assorted clouds plus solar systems
and wandering/rogue items of sufficient water and metallicity, as well
as more than a few physical encounters that seldom ended with anything
better off or any less metallicity worthy than before. For example,
the Sirius stars are roughly 4 billion years newer than our solar
system, and the planets of Sirius(B) are kind of newish plus missing
in action.
Orbiting gamma spectrometry can resolve with enough resolution of
details as to the surface metallicity of a given planet, moon or
asteroid, as well as capable of penetrating somewhat below its bedrock
surface. At least that has become mainstream science status quo as of
more than a few decades ago. Unfortunately, that sort of public-
funded science isn't being made available except on a "need to know"
and kind of nondisclosure basis, so it’s hard to tell what other
planets and moons truly have to offer, without our having to interpret
the best available science that is only selectively released or as
having been scientifically encrypted in order to mask whatever they
elect not to be telling us.
Remote intercepting and/or interpreting intelligent life other than
terrestrial is easier said than done, even from orbiting Earth isn’t
always a sure thing unless the form of life detected is either very
large or gathered in sufficient communities that developed substantial
infrastructure or leave unmistakable trails and other signs of their
having modified something. Unfortunately, with digital imaging it’s
entirely possible to add or subtract as much data as you like, so
there no real telling unless the raw original image data is made
available prior to any modification attempts.
It’s perfectly clear that other wet planets do exist, and they exist
within their respective Goldilocks zone of many (perhaps most) other
viable stars. Obviously not all stars are going to be or forever
remain as planet worthy. Adding in atmospheric pressure and
temperature is certainly not a deal-breaker when it comes down to
another planet or moon hosting complex forms of life. In fact,
atmospheric pressure and temperature should be considered as something
positive or at least constructively worth having, as opposed to the
vacuum of Mars or worse being that of our physically dark moon that’s
offering that near ideal vacuum.
Of course the mainstream status quo is dominated by the most faith-
based kind of closed mindset that typically claim being Atheist and
even politically independent. The only problem is with their actions
that are clearly telling us what they represent isn’t Atheist nor the
least bit politically independent. These folks typically claim being
peers of Einstein, thereby knowing all there is to know, so that
there’s noting new or improved that can ever get past their naysay
gauntlet. Unfortunately, these same folks can’t seem honest as to who
they really are or who they represent, so basically these Usenet/
newsgroup overlord peers as topic/author stalking pimps could be most
anyone with ulterior motives or simply doing their damage-control jobs
of public media FUD-master and otherwise performing as brown-nosed
clowns.
Roughly .00003% of our human intelligence evolution as of the last 300
million years involves modern radio, and perhaps only half of that
extremely slight portion of our evolution represents the past 45 years
of focused microwaves and laser beams that exoplanet ETs could
possibly detect even if their best technology had been specifically
focused upon our solar system with its one measly naked Goldilocks
certified planet. So it’s kind of hard for myself to automatically
exclude all other planets and moons as being unlikely host of
intelligence, especially when other solar systems could be not only
older than ours but having a more desirable sun, not to mention having
just one less needless war would have put them many trillions of
dollars better off and easily decades more advanced if everything else
was the same.
Basically, having survival intelligence of any complex other life need
not involve astronomy, microwaves nor much less space travel
expertise. So, we need to consider other alternatives unless we’re
only intent upon spotting their advanced WMD before they spot us.
Knowing that available energy is always a key necessity to any
advanced forms of intelligence, not only as per surviving their own
environments, but certainly essential for whatever off-world
explorations and the exploiting of other worlds. Fortunately for the
extremely nearby planet Venus, there’s no shortage of local energy,
and unlikely any mineral or metallicity deficiency, not to mention the
500+ teratonnes of easily accessible water held extensively within
those acidic clouds, plus always more water from within that
geodynamically active planet that’s continually venting in order to
replenish its otherwise unprotected atmosphere.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_S...
elements and of the same cosmic age as their galaxy, and otherwise
created of a newer age as to whatever their respective progenitor
stars were made of and created via fusion, and subsequently all is
forever a derivative loop of the exact same original cosmic stuff that
produced our galaxy (namely vast molecular/nebula clouds of sufficient
metallicity that collectively formed seeds or nodes of sufficient
gravity which started popping out as billions of stars).
Obviously there have been secondary, third and other most recent
fourth and fifth generation stellar, planet, moon and asteroid age
differences, as well as compounded by wandering molecular nebulae and
their individual metallicity saturation differences, plus always the
random happenstance wild-card of whatever novas and supernovas having
managed to stimulate some of these assorted clouds plus solar systems
and wandering/rogue items of sufficient water and metallicity, as well
as more than a few physical encounters that seldom ended with anything
better off or any less metallicity worthy than before. For example,
the Sirius stars are roughly 4 billion years newer than our solar
system, and the planets of Sirius(B) are kind of newish plus missing
in action.
Orbiting gamma spectrometry can resolve with enough resolution of
details as to the surface metallicity of a given planet, moon or
asteroid, as well as capable of penetrating somewhat below its bedrock
surface. At least that has become mainstream science status quo as of
more than a few decades ago. Unfortunately, that sort of public-
funded science isn't being made available except on a "need to know"
and kind of nondisclosure basis, so it’s hard to tell what other
planets and moons truly have to offer, without our having to interpret
the best available science that is only selectively released or as
having been scientifically encrypted in order to mask whatever they
elect not to be telling us.
Remote intercepting and/or interpreting intelligent life other than
terrestrial is easier said than done, even from orbiting Earth isn’t
always a sure thing unless the form of life detected is either very
large or gathered in sufficient communities that developed substantial
infrastructure or leave unmistakable trails and other signs of their
having modified something. Unfortunately, with digital imaging it’s
entirely possible to add or subtract as much data as you like, so
there no real telling unless the raw original image data is made
available prior to any modification attempts.
It’s perfectly clear that other wet planets do exist, and they exist
within their respective Goldilocks zone of many (perhaps most) other
viable stars. Obviously not all stars are going to be or forever
remain as planet worthy. Adding in atmospheric pressure and
temperature is certainly not a deal-breaker when it comes down to
another planet or moon hosting complex forms of life. In fact,
atmospheric pressure and temperature should be considered as something
positive or at least constructively worth having, as opposed to the
vacuum of Mars or worse being that of our physically dark moon that’s
offering that near ideal vacuum.
Of course the mainstream status quo is dominated by the most faith-
based kind of closed mindset that typically claim being Atheist and
even politically independent. The only problem is with their actions
that are clearly telling us what they represent isn’t Atheist nor the
least bit politically independent. These folks typically claim being
peers of Einstein, thereby knowing all there is to know, so that
there’s noting new or improved that can ever get past their naysay
gauntlet. Unfortunately, these same folks can’t seem honest as to who
they really are or who they represent, so basically these Usenet/
newsgroup overlord peers as topic/author stalking pimps could be most
anyone with ulterior motives or simply doing their damage-control jobs
of public media FUD-master and otherwise performing as brown-nosed
clowns.
Roughly .00003% of our human intelligence evolution as of the last 300
million years involves modern radio, and perhaps only half of that
extremely slight portion of our evolution represents the past 45 years
of focused microwaves and laser beams that exoplanet ETs could
possibly detect even if their best technology had been specifically
focused upon our solar system with its one measly naked Goldilocks
certified planet. So it’s kind of hard for myself to automatically
exclude all other planets and moons as being unlikely host of
intelligence, especially when other solar systems could be not only
older than ours but having a more desirable sun, not to mention having
just one less needless war would have put them many trillions of
dollars better off and easily decades more advanced if everything else
was the same.
Basically, having survival intelligence of any complex other life need
not involve astronomy, microwaves nor much less space travel
expertise. So, we need to consider other alternatives unless we’re
only intent upon spotting their advanced WMD before they spot us.
Knowing that available energy is always a key necessity to any
advanced forms of intelligence, not only as per surviving their own
environments, but certainly essential for whatever off-world
explorations and the exploiting of other worlds. Fortunately for the
extremely nearby planet Venus, there’s no shortage of local energy,
and unlikely any mineral or metallicity deficiency, not to mention the
500+ teratonnes of easily accessible water held extensively within
those acidic clouds, plus always more water from within that
geodynamically active planet that’s continually venting in order to
replenish its otherwise unprotected atmosphere.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
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Brad Guth
Feb 13, 2012, 10:55:20 PM2/13/12
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Systematic bias against the planet Venus:
It’s as though I’ve inadvertently spotted and having pointed at
something interesting for over 11 years, as to what this extremely
nearby planet seems to offer, and that’s just not something acceptable
to the insiders of our NASA or multiple other agencies that we
outsides are not ever allowed to upstage. Therefore I’m treated worse
than a whistleblower by those inside of our mainstream status-quo.
Not that our government and many of their perfectly super-terrific
agencies haven’t been red-flag colorblind, having let us down the
wrong path and dropped their balls more often than we care to admit,
but there’s also a serious class-action suit brewing on behalf of the
intellectual and scientific discrimination brewing against our DARPA
and NASA, with regards to their denial and obfuscation (evidence
excluding) about our physically dark moon and the extremely nearby
planet Venus, whereas in spite of this banishment the public is hereby
invited and encouraged to have a look-see at what our DARPA and NASA
have been up to, as well as free to ponder as to what our government
agencies could have been and should have been doing with our trust and
hard earned loot.
Of course most everything that either turns out badly or even looks
fishy is usually so compartmentalized and/or having been contracted
out to some other group(s), so that NASA and DARPA each become just
the mission bus drivers whenever a given mission flops or under
performs.
Foremost necessity in this topic; if you can’t manage to deductively
interpret an image, then simply don’t bother yourself because it’s
going to be impossible to change your typically closed/naysay mindset,
regardless of the independent research and educated interpretations by
others.
I’m just offering yet another friendly image interpretation plus a
little physics-101 reminder, saying that any planet with dense clouds
(especially such as those extremely robust and acidic clouds
surrounding Venus) typically manage a terrific job of reflecting and/
or deflecting considerably more solar energy than they manage to
absorb or allow through, and otherwise these clouds and the dense
atmosphere below manage to insulate or retain of what little solar
influx reaches the surface, and that even goes equally for our
planet. Not to mention what benefit those seriously thick, robust and
acidic (thermally conductive) atmosphere and clouds of Venus can only
manage to benefit any planet orbiting closer to the sun have to offer,
when those mostly cryogenic upper layer of clouds reflecting the vast
majority of that solar energy by each long season of day and still
allowing the solar influx plus geothermal energy via convection and
conductive transfer to essentially escape via radiating its surplus
energy away by each long season of nighttime, because there’s simply
no question that Venus is not within thermal balance when it has been
interpreted by others as upwelling considerable geothermal energy and
thus radiating on average 20.5 w/m2. This surplus energy radiation of
course interprets as though Venus is still actively cooling off,
exactly as other planet have..
Well below those acidic clouds and haze is a fairly calm and thermally
stable environment that keeps everything rather toasty at 720 K (+/-
15 K), unless you go all the way to either pole where the surface
temperatures directly below each polar vortex seldom get below 600 K
(just right for fast pressure cooking those frozen pizzas), and the
surface itself is somewhat hotter. However, in most locations the
surface is hotter than the atmosphere, and in hot spots it’s seriously
upwelling geothermal energy.
Even by day the upper third of those clouds (above 62 km) are kept
well below freezing, and by season of nighttime it’s the upper
volumetric two thirds that’s going cryogenic. So that’s hardly
representing any significant “greenhouse” that’s unable to
sufficiently reflect solar influx, nor are such acidic clouds
sufficiently insulative in order to stop the combined or composite
thermally conductive outflux.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_1.html
“The images show the temperature of the cloud tops at about 65 km
(40.4 miles) altitude. A darker region corresponds to higher
temperature and thus lower altitude. The center of the vortex, at a
temperature of about 250K (around minus 9.7 degrees Fahrenheit), is
the deepest zone, exhibiting the highest temperature. (Credit: ESA/
VIRTIS/INAF-IASF/Obs. de Paris-LESIA)”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110927171052.htm
Problem is, clearly some/most of us here in Usenet/newsgroups (a
public media gauntlet of perpetual naysay and denial and systematic
obfuscation that’s mostly populated by a collective of imposters and/
or FUD-masters that get to do as they please) that like to topic/
author stalk and parrot their mainstream status-quo mantra by
continually spewing their public-funded infomercials, plus otherwise
time spent fooling or clowning around and obviously wasting our
precious public funded time, talent and resources while pretending at
always being so Atheist wise, politically independent and all-knowing
by way of parroting and hyping their mainstream infomercials, thus
always representing the politically correct and faith-based approved
mindset that’s usually closed to revisions or allowing any change, as
though only they have been representing the one and only good side of
each and every mainstream status-quo topic or argument. Of course
that’s also what the likes of Hitler, GW Bush, Dick Cheney and
Kissinger always thought and/or insisted upon, and long before then it
was those Romans that supposedly had been the victors and supposedly
had pretty much everything going for themselves at the expense and
demise of others represented mostly by the lower 99.9% caste. It’s
also somewhat like the analogy of stepping out of an airplane without
a parachute, whereas everything seems perfectly fine and dandy up
until the hard landing, and right about now our dysfunctional NASA
that’s looking at a serious balloon payment coming due for their
previous refinancing and near zero return on investment, kinda needs a
darn good parachute that’ll represent a solid technological
advancement and discovery payback kind of win-win for humanity that’s
every bit as good or actually a whole lot better than walking on the
moon. At least that is what I believe our physically dark moon and
the extremely nearby planet Venus each have to offer, is a private and
commercial free-enterprise expansion of our human race in order to
survive the near future that’s getting downright spendy and somewhat
testy, whereas if we must remain terrestrial sequestered is only going
to become a little worse than merely testy without significant changes
to the ways and means that some of us think is perfectly okay as is.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
On Sep 3, 1:05 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/3/11 1:05 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> > If you don't believe in those pesky regular laws of physics, nor
> > accept the best available science and applied technology that can be
> > independently replicated, then by all means the extremely nearby
> > planet Venus is not for you or any other mainstream dumbfounded
> > Goldilocks.
>
> Scientists Perceive NASA Bias Against Venus
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-...
>
> "Venus would seem to be a tempting destination for planetary probes:
> conveniently close, and an extreme laboratory for atmospheric processes
> familiar on Earth. So why won't NASA send a mission there? That was the
> frustrated question coming from scientists at the annual meeting of
> NASA's Venus Exploration Analysis Group (VEXAG) near Washington, D.C.,
> on August 30-31. They perceive an agency bias against Venus, a planet
> that hasn't seen a U.S. mission since the Magellan probe radar-mapped
> its shrouded surface in the early 1990s, and which won't see one any
> time soon, after NASA this year rejected a bumper crop of Venus
> proposals. [Slide Show: 8 of the Most Extreme Places in the Solar System]
>
> "A lot of us are dismayed," says David Grinspoon, astrobiology curator
> at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science in Colorado, who is a
> co-investigator on several of the proposals. Some of the reasons for the
> planet's neglect are obvious: surface temperatures that would melt lead
> and thick clouds of sulfuric acid make data gathering a challenge for
> landers and orbiters alike. And unlike Mars Venus is neither a plausible
> haven for life nor a potential destination for astronauts.
>
> "But Grinspoon says that something more insidious is at work. Without
> new missions supplying data for analysis, funding for Venus research has
> dwindled, leading to fewer students entering the field and a smaller
> constituency to lobby for missions. "Because of this feedback loop, the
> community has shrunk," he says. Research grants mentioning Venus have
> accounted for just 2 percent of NASA's planetary-science funding since
> 2005".
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-nasa
Thanks for having provided that topic related news link, which only
goes to show that I'm not the only soul on Earth that's pulling at our
NASA strings and pushing those "Do-Not-Push" buttons of our mainstream
status quo that’s intent upon doing everything it can in order to
delay or entirely avoid our moon and the planet Venus. This kind of
news doesn't mean that I have to agree with each and every
interpretation or scientific motivation by Grinspoon, but at least
many if not most of his investigative interest are perfectly honest,
well enough founded and should be given some public support.
Obviously any official vote for another Venus mission is also a vote
for “Guth Venus”, so that’s kind of a big problem for our
dysfunctional NASA that clearly dropped the ball as of our Magellan
mission which enabled us to clearly see whatever Venus had to offer
(though be it at a low resolution that offered us a look-see at only
large scale items), whereas my research is only regarding such large
scale items and the physics and/or logic as to how such could even
exist within that pressure cooker environment.
There’s actually any number of existing ideas and notions as to how
and when intelligent other life created complex geometric items of
such large scale, although as of nowadays it’s technically possible
for visiting ETs (such as us supposedly intelligent humans) to deal
with that pressure cooker environment, not that it’ll ever become
another Goldilocks kind of naked compatible Eden unless artificially
terraformed and thereby forced by way of natural plus unnatural means
of cooling off. Of course you’d need a very substantially reflective
layer of clouds by day in order to fend off most of that 2650 w/m2 of
solar influx, and ideally some nighttime clearing of clouds or that of
a very thermally conductive atmosphere along with clouds in order to
get rid of all that solar influx (kind of like what Venus currently
has going for itself).
Here's that same old original boring monochrome and cloudless GIF
composite radar obtained image file (as raw and not having been
enlargement processed) that our mainstream status-quo has been so
deathly afraid others (including K12s) might actually look at and
interpret for themselves:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Without even downloading this public GIF monochrome image, you can
still screen zoom-in on the small area in question (of somewhat less
than 10% of the composite FOV), so as to keeping the raw 1:1 pixel
format and its rather limited resolution of 225 meters/pixel, and
thereby have yourself a perfectly good look-see at interpreting
whatever that sort of 225 meter per pixel resolution has to offer.
Here’s one of my basic 10:1 resampled enlargements, of the very same
small area of “Guth Venus” that I’ve pointed out to our NASA and
others of their Magellan team for more than the past decade, that’s
still offering a clean generic composite derivative like their
original (at least my research methology can be easily reversed and
independently replicated to suit any degree of potential topic/author
discrediting or assassination:
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
If you’d care to focus on interpreting anything specific, please feel
free to go right ahead and do so, because I’m not absolutely certain
that my deductive interpretation of what the image depicts is offering
the best or only observationology option.
There are methods of safely exploring and even for eventually
developing commercial applications for exploiting the planet Venus.
Of course a whole nearby planet like Venus is technically worth many
trillions in profit per year, and as far as I can tell there’s simply
no valid technical reasons as to why it and our trusty old moon can’t
be privately and commercially exploited for their unusually high
metallicity plus multiple other valuables.
Solar Powered Flight on Venus
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
and me) As of 2010 they employed near 14,000 and they are mostly
public funded but remain off-grid, so as the regular books do not make
them appear as any official agency or extension of our government
Rothschilds and all the public funded ZNR/GOP redneck oligarchs really
don't mind spending our hard earn loot on any of this, not one bit.
The ongoing mainstream scientific discrimination against exploiting
our moon or Venus is entirely uncalled for, but never the less it’s a
well published matter of fact that anything proposed for commercially
or privately dealing with our moon or the extremely nearby planet
Venus is getting intentionally banished or systematically excluded by
those individuals of power and authority well above that of any
Presidential authority, that do not want myself or anyone else
getting an ounce of credit or any mention, is fairly obvious, because
they’d much rather higher the likes of secretive contracted services
like Qinetiq, or simply stick with their usual cabal of insiders that
already know how the game is played.
"Scientists Perceive NASA Bias Against Venus”
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-nasa
“Venus scientists fear neglect”
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110902/full/477145a.html
So, what's your personal take on this "NASA Bias Against Venus"?
“Venus is of less interest than Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto
and Asteroids. It's not like we can send a probe to the surface and
rover around or make optical photographs from orbit.” / Sam Wormley
Clearly there’s some of us that can’t hardly think inside the
mainstream box, much less even peek a little outside their cozy box,
and devout insiders that are usually public-funded and always strictly
compartmentalized plus clearly not permitted by policy to think at all
unless it’s within their less than 0.1% narrow expertise as to
physics, science and applied technology. So what may we ask is the
less than 0.1% narrow expertise or specialty (other than resident
parrot) of Sam Wormley.
And once again; so what if those surface atmospherics are acting kind
of gassy superfluid, mostly comprised of hot and relatively dry CO2.
(perhaps these perpetual naysayers are planning on only going to those
Goldilocks approved planets of Eden so that they can frolic in the
nude, which kind of eliminates Venus). However, if some of the water
on Earth came from icy comets or perhaps from encountering an icy
proto-moon (aka Selene), then perhaps once upon a time Venus got its
fair share.
You folks do realize that any hot and dry surface environment is
actually representing kind of an inert one, especially if the level of
O2 is minimal, and the only local teratonnes of acidic water are those
kept primarily within them terrific clouds that can be safely and
efficiently tapped for as much pure water on demand as you’d like.
Obviously numerous geothermal vents and active volcanic outflows would
contain new elements of O2 and H2 that shouldn’t have any problems
emerging as H2O (aka live steam along with multiple other raw
metallicity elements) plus lots of other atmospheric gas/vapor worthy
elements, but just like here on Earth, those new geothermal vented
elements can easily be identified, quantified and if need be avoided
and/or technically utilized.
Again: “Solar Powered Flight on Venus”
they damn well please).
Once again, this is just what we all need is having to feed yet
another 14,000 spendy cloak and dagger positions of mostly public
funded FUD-masters and their stealth infrastructure plus collateral
damage to pay for, not to mention our having to pay for whatever
agency mistakes and cover-thy-butt expenses. I'm certain the
Rothschilds and all the public funded ZNR/GOP redneck oligarchs don't
seem to mind spending our hard earn loot on any of this one bit. Good
thing we can always count on our NASA for having absolutely everything
under control, as always knowing best on how to get the most bang per
dollar. (isn’t that what K12s and the rest of us adults are all
supposed to think?)
BTW; just for others being a good investigative and open minded
sport, this request is to see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything within the following image that doesn’t quite look
of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or reaffirming
interpretation is stumped, then turn this over to a bunch of 5th
graders as a class science project.
Apparently any extremely nearby planet that gets to within nearly 100
LD(Lunar Distance), such as Venus does every 19 months, and is
essentially looking as though better tidal locked to us than the sun,
as such isn't worth our mainstream bother, even though it has more
than twice the surface metallicity of Earth. Go figure, how a
perfectly shuttle and/or composite rigid airship flyable planet like
Venus remains as forever mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated. If I
were President BHO, I'd seriously consider firing the entire bunch and
restart our NASA, DARPA, DoE, Pentagon and their Analex Corporation
(aka part of Qinetiq-NA that runs our NSA, CIA and MI6) from scratch,
as creating one consolidated agency similar to DHS that keeps itself
fully connected and open to the public as much as our national
security allows. Obviously our dysfunctional TSA, FBI, ATF, Border
Patrol and US Customs and possibly the USCG need to get themselves
consolidated, because as is they’re making fools of themselves
(especial those of our spendy TSA) as well as costing us lives and
multiple other collateral damage.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with
it." / Max Planck
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_S...
It’s as though I’ve inadvertently spotted and having pointed at
something interesting for over 11 years, as to what this extremely
nearby planet seems to offer, and that’s just not something acceptable
to the insiders of our NASA or multiple other agencies that we
outsides are not ever allowed to upstage. Therefore I’m treated worse
than a whistleblower by those inside of our mainstream status-quo.
Not that our government and many of their perfectly super-terrific
agencies haven’t been red-flag colorblind, having let us down the
wrong path and dropped their balls more often than we care to admit,
but there’s also a serious class-action suit brewing on behalf of the
intellectual and scientific discrimination brewing against our DARPA
and NASA, with regards to their denial and obfuscation (evidence
excluding) about our physically dark moon and the extremely nearby
planet Venus, whereas in spite of this banishment the public is hereby
invited and encouraged to have a look-see at what our DARPA and NASA
have been up to, as well as free to ponder as to what our government
agencies could have been and should have been doing with our trust and
hard earned loot.
Of course most everything that either turns out badly or even looks
fishy is usually so compartmentalized and/or having been contracted
out to some other group(s), so that NASA and DARPA each become just
the mission bus drivers whenever a given mission flops or under
performs.
Foremost necessity in this topic; if you can’t manage to deductively
interpret an image, then simply don’t bother yourself because it’s
going to be impossible to change your typically closed/naysay mindset,
regardless of the independent research and educated interpretations by
others.
I’m just offering yet another friendly image interpretation plus a
little physics-101 reminder, saying that any planet with dense clouds
(especially such as those extremely robust and acidic clouds
surrounding Venus) typically manage a terrific job of reflecting and/
or deflecting considerably more solar energy than they manage to
absorb or allow through, and otherwise these clouds and the dense
atmosphere below manage to insulate or retain of what little solar
influx reaches the surface, and that even goes equally for our
planet. Not to mention what benefit those seriously thick, robust and
acidic (thermally conductive) atmosphere and clouds of Venus can only
manage to benefit any planet orbiting closer to the sun have to offer,
when those mostly cryogenic upper layer of clouds reflecting the vast
majority of that solar energy by each long season of day and still
allowing the solar influx plus geothermal energy via convection and
conductive transfer to essentially escape via radiating its surplus
energy away by each long season of nighttime, because there’s simply
no question that Venus is not within thermal balance when it has been
interpreted by others as upwelling considerable geothermal energy and
thus radiating on average 20.5 w/m2. This surplus energy radiation of
course interprets as though Venus is still actively cooling off,
exactly as other planet have..
Well below those acidic clouds and haze is a fairly calm and thermally
stable environment that keeps everything rather toasty at 720 K (+/-
15 K), unless you go all the way to either pole where the surface
temperatures directly below each polar vortex seldom get below 600 K
(just right for fast pressure cooking those frozen pizzas), and the
surface itself is somewhat hotter. However, in most locations the
surface is hotter than the atmosphere, and in hot spots it’s seriously
upwelling geothermal energy.
Even by day the upper third of those clouds (above 62 km) are kept
well below freezing, and by season of nighttime it’s the upper
volumetric two thirds that’s going cryogenic. So that’s hardly
representing any significant “greenhouse” that’s unable to
sufficiently reflect solar influx, nor are such acidic clouds
sufficiently insulative in order to stop the combined or composite
thermally conductive outflux.
http://www.esa.int/images/Picture5_H.jpg
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEM5A373R8F_1.html
“The images show the temperature of the cloud tops at about 65 km
(40.4 miles) altitude. A darker region corresponds to higher
temperature and thus lower altitude. The center of the vortex, at a
temperature of about 250K (around minus 9.7 degrees Fahrenheit), is
the deepest zone, exhibiting the highest temperature. (Credit: ESA/
VIRTIS/INAF-IASF/Obs. de Paris-LESIA)”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110927171052.htm
Problem is, clearly some/most of us here in Usenet/newsgroups (a
public media gauntlet of perpetual naysay and denial and systematic
obfuscation that’s mostly populated by a collective of imposters and/
or FUD-masters that get to do as they please) that like to topic/
author stalk and parrot their mainstream status-quo mantra by
continually spewing their public-funded infomercials, plus otherwise
time spent fooling or clowning around and obviously wasting our
precious public funded time, talent and resources while pretending at
always being so Atheist wise, politically independent and all-knowing
by way of parroting and hyping their mainstream infomercials, thus
always representing the politically correct and faith-based approved
mindset that’s usually closed to revisions or allowing any change, as
though only they have been representing the one and only good side of
each and every mainstream status-quo topic or argument. Of course
that’s also what the likes of Hitler, GW Bush, Dick Cheney and
Kissinger always thought and/or insisted upon, and long before then it
was those Romans that supposedly had been the victors and supposedly
had pretty much everything going for themselves at the expense and
demise of others represented mostly by the lower 99.9% caste. It’s
also somewhat like the analogy of stepping out of an airplane without
a parachute, whereas everything seems perfectly fine and dandy up
until the hard landing, and right about now our dysfunctional NASA
that’s looking at a serious balloon payment coming due for their
previous refinancing and near zero return on investment, kinda needs a
darn good parachute that’ll represent a solid technological
advancement and discovery payback kind of win-win for humanity that’s
every bit as good or actually a whole lot better than walking on the
moon. At least that is what I believe our physically dark moon and
the extremely nearby planet Venus each have to offer, is a private and
commercial free-enterprise expansion of our human race in order to
survive the near future that’s getting downright spendy and somewhat
testy, whereas if we must remain terrestrial sequestered is only going
to become a little worse than merely testy without significant changes
to the ways and means that some of us think is perfectly okay as is.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
On Sep 3, 1:05 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/3/11 1:05 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> > If you don't believe in those pesky regular laws of physics, nor
> > accept the best available science and applied technology that can be
> > independently replicated, then by all means the extremely nearby
> > planet Venus is not for you or any other mainstream dumbfounded
> > Goldilocks.
>
> Scientists Perceive NASA Bias Against Venus
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-...
>
> "Venus would seem to be a tempting destination for planetary probes:
> conveniently close, and an extreme laboratory for atmospheric processes
> familiar on Earth. So why won't NASA send a mission there? That was the
> frustrated question coming from scientists at the annual meeting of
> NASA's Venus Exploration Analysis Group (VEXAG) near Washington, D.C.,
> on August 30-31. They perceive an agency bias against Venus, a planet
> that hasn't seen a U.S. mission since the Magellan probe radar-mapped
> its shrouded surface in the early 1990s, and which won't see one any
> time soon, after NASA this year rejected a bumper crop of Venus
> proposals. [Slide Show: 8 of the Most Extreme Places in the Solar System]
>
> "A lot of us are dismayed," says David Grinspoon, astrobiology curator
> at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science in Colorado, who is a
> co-investigator on several of the proposals. Some of the reasons for the
> planet's neglect are obvious: surface temperatures that would melt lead
> and thick clouds of sulfuric acid make data gathering a challenge for
> landers and orbiters alike. And unlike Mars Venus is neither a plausible
> haven for life nor a potential destination for astronauts.
>
> "But Grinspoon says that something more insidious is at work. Without
> new missions supplying data for analysis, funding for Venus research has
> dwindled, leading to fewer students entering the field and a smaller
> constituency to lobby for missions. "Because of this feedback loop, the
> community has shrunk," he says. Research grants mentioning Venus have
> accounted for just 2 percent of NASA's planetary-science funding since
> 2005".
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-nasa
Thanks for having provided that topic related news link, which only
goes to show that I'm not the only soul on Earth that's pulling at our
NASA strings and pushing those "Do-Not-Push" buttons of our mainstream
status quo that’s intent upon doing everything it can in order to
delay or entirely avoid our moon and the planet Venus. This kind of
news doesn't mean that I have to agree with each and every
interpretation or scientific motivation by Grinspoon, but at least
many if not most of his investigative interest are perfectly honest,
well enough founded and should be given some public support.
Obviously any official vote for another Venus mission is also a vote
for “Guth Venus”, so that’s kind of a big problem for our
dysfunctional NASA that clearly dropped the ball as of our Magellan
mission which enabled us to clearly see whatever Venus had to offer
(though be it at a low resolution that offered us a look-see at only
large scale items), whereas my research is only regarding such large
scale items and the physics and/or logic as to how such could even
exist within that pressure cooker environment.
There’s actually any number of existing ideas and notions as to how
and when intelligent other life created complex geometric items of
such large scale, although as of nowadays it’s technically possible
for visiting ETs (such as us supposedly intelligent humans) to deal
with that pressure cooker environment, not that it’ll ever become
another Goldilocks kind of naked compatible Eden unless artificially
terraformed and thereby forced by way of natural plus unnatural means
of cooling off. Of course you’d need a very substantially reflective
layer of clouds by day in order to fend off most of that 2650 w/m2 of
solar influx, and ideally some nighttime clearing of clouds or that of
a very thermally conductive atmosphere along with clouds in order to
get rid of all that solar influx (kind of like what Venus currently
has going for itself).
Here's that same old original boring monochrome and cloudless GIF
composite radar obtained image file (as raw and not having been
enlargement processed) that our mainstream status-quo has been so
deathly afraid others (including K12s) might actually look at and
interpret for themselves:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Without even downloading this public GIF monochrome image, you can
still screen zoom-in on the small area in question (of somewhat less
than 10% of the composite FOV), so as to keeping the raw 1:1 pixel
format and its rather limited resolution of 225 meters/pixel, and
thereby have yourself a perfectly good look-see at interpreting
whatever that sort of 225 meter per pixel resolution has to offer.
Here’s one of my basic 10:1 resampled enlargements, of the very same
small area of “Guth Venus” that I’ve pointed out to our NASA and
others of their Magellan team for more than the past decade, that’s
still offering a clean generic composite derivative like their
original (at least my research methology can be easily reversed and
independently replicated to suit any degree of potential topic/author
discrediting or assassination:
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
If you’d care to focus on interpreting anything specific, please feel
free to go right ahead and do so, because I’m not absolutely certain
that my deductive interpretation of what the image depicts is offering
the best or only observationology option.
There are methods of safely exploring and even for eventually
developing commercial applications for exploiting the planet Venus.
Of course a whole nearby planet like Venus is technically worth many
trillions in profit per year, and as far as I can tell there’s simply
no valid technical reasons as to why it and our trusty old moon can’t
be privately and commercially exploited for their unusually high
metallicity plus multiple other valuables.
Solar Powered Flight on Venus
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
public funded but remain off-grid, so as the regular books do not make
them appear as any official agency or extension of our government
(kind of like their Federal Reserve that gets to operate as they
please). Just what we all need is yet another 14,000 spendy cloak and
dagger positions of FUD-masters and their spendy stealth
please). Just what we all need is yet another 14,000 spendy cloak and
infrastructure to pay for, not to mention our having to pay for
whatever mistakes and cover-thy-butt expenses, though I'm certain the
Rothschilds and all the public funded ZNR/GOP redneck oligarchs really
don't mind spending our hard earn loot on any of this, not one bit.
The ongoing mainstream scientific discrimination against exploiting
our moon or Venus is entirely uncalled for, but never the less it’s a
well published matter of fact that anything proposed for commercially
or privately dealing with our moon or the extremely nearby planet
Venus is getting intentionally banished or systematically excluded by
those individuals of power and authority well above that of any
Presidential authority, that do not want myself or anyone else
getting an ounce of credit or any mention, is fairly obvious, because
they’d much rather higher the likes of secretive contracted services
like Qinetiq, or simply stick with their usual cabal of insiders that
already know how the game is played.
"Scientists Perceive NASA Bias Against Venus”
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-perceive-nasa
“Venus scientists fear neglect”
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110902/full/477145a.html
So, what's your personal take on this "NASA Bias Against Venus"?
“Venus is of less interest than Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto
and Asteroids. It's not like we can send a probe to the surface and
rover around or make optical photographs from orbit.” / Sam Wormley
Clearly there’s some of us that can’t hardly think inside the
mainstream box, much less even peek a little outside their cozy box,
and devout insiders that are usually public-funded and always strictly
compartmentalized plus clearly not permitted by policy to think at all
unless it’s within their less than 0.1% narrow expertise as to
physics, science and applied technology. So what may we ask is the
less than 0.1% narrow expertise or specialty (other than resident
parrot) of Sam Wormley.
And once again; so what if those surface atmospherics are acting kind
of gassy superfluid, mostly comprised of hot and relatively dry CO2.
(perhaps these perpetual naysayers are planning on only going to those
Goldilocks approved planets of Eden so that they can frolic in the
nude, which kind of eliminates Venus). However, if some of the water
on Earth came from icy comets or perhaps from encountering an icy
proto-moon (aka Selene), then perhaps once upon a time Venus got its
fair share.
You folks do realize that any hot and dry surface environment is
actually representing kind of an inert one, especially if the level of
O2 is minimal, and the only local teratonnes of acidic water are those
kept primarily within them terrific clouds that can be safely and
efficiently tapped for as much pure water on demand as you’d like.
Obviously numerous geothermal vents and active volcanic outflows would
contain new elements of O2 and H2 that shouldn’t have any problems
emerging as H2O (aka live steam along with multiple other raw
metallicity elements) plus lots of other atmospheric gas/vapor worthy
elements, but just like here on Earth, those new geothermal vented
elements can easily be identified, quantified and if need be avoided
and/or technically utilized.
Again: “Solar Powered Flight on Venus”
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2004/CR-2004-213052.pdf
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
and little old me) As of 2010 they employ near 14,000 and they are
- and Anthony Colozza works for Analex Corporation that works for -
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/index.htm (Qinetiq-NA is yet another
British cloak and dagger CIA/MI6 kind of FUD-master cabal that was
started as mainstream media damage control because of TWA flight 800
mostly public funded but remain off the regular books so that it
doesn’t appear as any official agency or extension of our government
(kind of like the oligarch Federal Reserve that gets to operate as
doesn’t appear as any official agency or extension of our government
they damn well please).
Once again, this is just what we all need is having to feed yet
another 14,000 spendy cloak and dagger positions of mostly public
funded FUD-masters and their stealth infrastructure plus collateral
damage to pay for, not to mention our having to pay for whatever
agency mistakes and cover-thy-butt expenses. I'm certain the
Rothschilds and all the public funded ZNR/GOP redneck oligarchs don't
seem to mind spending our hard earn loot on any of this one bit. Good
thing we can always count on our NASA for having absolutely everything
under control, as always knowing best on how to get the most bang per
dollar. (isn’t that what K12s and the rest of us adults are all
supposed to think?)
BTW; just for others being a good investigative and open minded
sport, this request is to see if anyone else can manage to deductively
interpret anything within the following image that doesn’t quite look
as though the natural laws of physics and geology was entirely
responsible. (try to always remember that the original image is that
of a radar obtained composite of 36 confirming looks or reaffirming
scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of 43 degrees, so its
deductive interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If your image
interpretation is stumped, then turn this over to a bunch of 5th
graders as a class science project.
Apparently any extremely nearby planet that gets to within nearly 100
LD(Lunar Distance), such as Venus does every 19 months, and is
essentially looking as though better tidal locked to us than the sun,
as such isn't worth our mainstream bother, even though it has more
than twice the surface metallicity of Earth. Go figure, how a
perfectly shuttle and/or composite rigid airship flyable planet like
Venus remains as forever mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated. If I
were President BHO, I'd seriously consider firing the entire bunch and
restart our NASA, DARPA, DoE, Pentagon and their Analex Corporation
(aka part of Qinetiq-NA that runs our NSA, CIA and MI6) from scratch,
as creating one consolidated agency similar to DHS that keeps itself
fully connected and open to the public as much as our national
security allows. Obviously our dysfunctional TSA, FBI, ATF, Border
Patrol and US Customs and possibly the USCG need to get themselves
consolidated, because as is they’re making fools of themselves
(especial those of our spendy TSA) as well as costing us lives and
multiple other collateral damage.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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Feb 14, 2012, 3:05:21 PM2/14/12
to
The off-world payback:
Going deep into the moon should provide a relatively stable
environment. The monthly tidal generated quakes are 700 km deep, or
roughly 10+ fold deeper than the extremely thick and fused
paramagnetic basalt crust, that in places could be as tough as
carbonado. This active geological part of our moon is deep enough
that TBMs shouldn’t have any surprises other than encountering geode
pockets of gasses and/or mineral brines as they penetrate deep through
the crust, though conceivably encountering abiotic hydrocarbons
shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
So, besides various types of bling and rare/valuable metallicity
elements that can be TBM excavated, sorted out or processed to near
100% purity and exported back to Earth with a minimal effort, there’s
likely pockets of gasses and fluids that should be exploited, if for
nothing other than utilizing their easily emptied pockets or voids for
human habitats.
Of course even though the planet Venus is gradually cooling off, it is
going to be somewhat surface limited and not very TBM worthy, because
its geothermal innards are fairly close to the surface that’s already
capable of offering locations worth near 760 K (a good 35 K above the
average surface atmospheric temperature) as is, not to mention
multiple volcanic and gaseous vents that are literally hotter than
hell, and that’s no due to solar influx or the insulative attributes
of its mostly CO2 atmosphere plus sulfur elements that tend to
compound the active geothermal up-welling situation.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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Going deep into the moon should provide a relatively stable
environment. The monthly tidal generated quakes are 700 km deep, or
roughly 10+ fold deeper than the extremely thick and fused
paramagnetic basalt crust, that in places could be as tough as
carbonado. This active geological part of our moon is deep enough
that TBMs shouldn’t have any surprises other than encountering geode
pockets of gasses and/or mineral brines as they penetrate deep through
the crust, though conceivably encountering abiotic hydrocarbons
shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
So, besides various types of bling and rare/valuable metallicity
elements that can be TBM excavated, sorted out or processed to near
100% purity and exported back to Earth with a minimal effort, there’s
likely pockets of gasses and fluids that should be exploited, if for
nothing other than utilizing their easily emptied pockets or voids for
human habitats.
Of course even though the planet Venus is gradually cooling off, it is
going to be somewhat surface limited and not very TBM worthy, because
its geothermal innards are fairly close to the surface that’s already
capable of offering locations worth near 760 K (a good 35 K above the
average surface atmospheric temperature) as is, not to mention
multiple volcanic and gaseous vents that are literally hotter than
hell, and that’s no due to solar influx or the insulative attributes
of its mostly CO2 atmosphere plus sulfur elements that tend to
compound the active geothermal up-welling situation.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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On Feb 12, 10:18 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 14, 2012, 9:31:57 PM2/14/12
to
On Feb 14, 12:05 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The off-world payback:
> Going deep into the moon should provide a relatively stable
> environment. The monthly tidal generated quakes are 700 km deep, or
> roughly 10+ fold deeper than the extremely thick and fused
> paramagnetic basalt crust, that in places could be as tough as
> carbonado. This active geological part of our moon is deep enough
> that TBMs shouldn’t have any surprises other than encountering geode
> pockets of gasses and/or mineral brines as they penetrate deep through
> the crust, though conceivably encountering abiotic hydrocarbons
> shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
> http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-...
> The off-world payback:
> Going deep into the moon should provide a relatively stable
> environment. The monthly tidal generated quakes are 700 km deep, or
> roughly 10+ fold deeper than the extremely thick and fused
> paramagnetic basalt crust, that in places could be as tough as
> carbonado. This active geological part of our moon is deep enough
> that TBMs shouldn’t have any surprises other than encountering geode
> pockets of gasses and/or mineral brines as they penetrate deep through
> the crust, though conceivably encountering abiotic hydrocarbons
> shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
: You have to look at the natural order of things. 150 years ago we
: were not talking about moon travel because we hadn't even learned
how
: to fly. Now that we have these ass-kicking engines- and the fact
that
: the Apollo had achieved so much- we are now at a stage to simply
fill
: in our own blank. In other words, the next stage is obvious not
: mysterious.
I’d have to agree, although our NASA/Apollo era still has way more
than its fair share of secrets and hocus-pocus than Harry Houdini.
The new and improved Saturn-V could easily deploy double the payload,
and those monsters could be mass produced by China and India at 10% of
what it would otherwise cost us.
Investing a hundred billion per month is going to represent at least
100 million steady jobs, and perhaps at least a fourth of those as
higher paying jobs could be American, another fourth as ESA and
Russian jobs and roughly half as provided via China and India.
In other words, it’s a solid offworld kind of win-win for everything
and everyone. In 20 some odd months of spending like drunken sailors,
we’d have our moon base of TBMs and processing operations up and
running, along with lots of other associated stuff taking place and
only a very bright future of prosperity plus salvaging our global
environment at the same time. Where’s the down side?
Brad Guth
Feb 15, 2012, 1:03:17 PM2/15/12
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Guth Venus, the ultimate 2D/3D illusion:
When we interpret an image of anything, it’s always an illusion of 2D
that we try our best to deductively interpret as 3D, and this could
also be including the photographic 2D illusions of an aircraft
smashing into a tall building or even that of a person handing out
$100,000 packets of loot to anyone walking by should also be
considered another form of illusion, even though it’s clearly apparent
that everyone seeing the aircraft encountering the building and those
walking up to this person vending out such large sums of loot might
seem quite logically attracted as to paying attention and logically
reacting to such an illusion, and seemingly quite happy about their
not being in that tall building and/or not unhappy about receiving
their illusionary packet of loot that looks, feels and spends
perfectly real, whereas to yourself it’s still nothing but an illusion
because you simply can’t trust whatever your eyes and supposedly
educated brain are deductively telling you, and naturally you’ll just
keep accepting whatever your peers have to say and otherwise walking
yourself on by the given situation, and otherwise by refusing any
handout of such illusionary loot because logically you know it’s but
an illusion that others only seem perfectly happy and willing to
accept as the real thing, makes no difference to yourself because it’s
simply not a logical perception or interpretation that anyone would
actually be handing out such packets of loot to just anyone that comes
along. (actually our CIA was in fact doing just that, except with even
larger packets of loot handed out in Iraq)
Since there’s no social/political requirement for accepting any given
handout packets of loot or better interpreted science, you have no
moral or intellectual reason(s) or any apparent responsibility or
remorse as to others or yourself by refusing to accept the gift. So,
everything remains copasetic and socially/politically failsafe without
ever risking consequences when you don’t risk going against the
mainstream status quo that you’ve been taught/indoctrinated to blindly
follow.
At least that’s kind of what our mostly public funded astronomy and
astrophysics folks as representing our peers of intellectual authority
have been telling us all along, that whenever we should come across
anything that deductively interprets as unexpectedly interesting and/
or seems kind of highly unusual or special, is for the rest of us to
simply block it out and ignore by looking the other way, because if
it’s not initially presented to us by the mainstream of public funded
science and the superior intelligence of their authoritarian status
quo, as so often published by their own dominated media, then it’s
just an illusion regardless of whatever it otherwise interprets as to
yourself.
There’s actually lots of good old and new science about our moon and
the planet Venus that’s either an illusion or simply doesn’t fit our
schooling/indoctrination mold of what such a massive nearby moon and
seemingly newish planet that’s also extremely nearby (passing nearly
within 100 LD every 19 months) has to offer, and the one small area
that I’ve interpreted is just offering another perfectly good 2D
illusion that you can walk on by and otherwise ignore because, it’s
purely an illusion like most everything else about the planet Venus
can be so unbelievable, unless it’s already mainstream published and
in our K-12 textbooks which can never be revised because, that notion
of revision would only risk making folks responsible for our mostly
public funded education look bad, and we certainly can’t allow that to
happen.
At any rate, there’s lots of worthy illusions to look at, besides the
ones I’ve pointed out to our NASA ever since December 2000.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_S...
When we interpret an image of anything, it’s always an illusion of 2D
that we try our best to deductively interpret as 3D, and this could
also be including the photographic 2D illusions of an aircraft
smashing into a tall building or even that of a person handing out
$100,000 packets of loot to anyone walking by should also be
considered another form of illusion, even though it’s clearly apparent
that everyone seeing the aircraft encountering the building and those
walking up to this person vending out such large sums of loot might
seem quite logically attracted as to paying attention and logically
reacting to such an illusion, and seemingly quite happy about their
not being in that tall building and/or not unhappy about receiving
their illusionary packet of loot that looks, feels and spends
perfectly real, whereas to yourself it’s still nothing but an illusion
because you simply can’t trust whatever your eyes and supposedly
educated brain are deductively telling you, and naturally you’ll just
keep accepting whatever your peers have to say and otherwise walking
yourself on by the given situation, and otherwise by refusing any
handout of such illusionary loot because logically you know it’s but
an illusion that others only seem perfectly happy and willing to
accept as the real thing, makes no difference to yourself because it’s
simply not a logical perception or interpretation that anyone would
actually be handing out such packets of loot to just anyone that comes
along. (actually our CIA was in fact doing just that, except with even
larger packets of loot handed out in Iraq)
Since there’s no social/political requirement for accepting any given
handout packets of loot or better interpreted science, you have no
moral or intellectual reason(s) or any apparent responsibility or
remorse as to others or yourself by refusing to accept the gift. So,
everything remains copasetic and socially/politically failsafe without
ever risking consequences when you don’t risk going against the
mainstream status quo that you’ve been taught/indoctrinated to blindly
follow.
At least that’s kind of what our mostly public funded astronomy and
astrophysics folks as representing our peers of intellectual authority
have been telling us all along, that whenever we should come across
anything that deductively interprets as unexpectedly interesting and/
or seems kind of highly unusual or special, is for the rest of us to
simply block it out and ignore by looking the other way, because if
it’s not initially presented to us by the mainstream of public funded
science and the superior intelligence of their authoritarian status
quo, as so often published by their own dominated media, then it’s
just an illusion regardless of whatever it otherwise interprets as to
yourself.
There’s actually lots of good old and new science about our moon and
the planet Venus that’s either an illusion or simply doesn’t fit our
schooling/indoctrination mold of what such a massive nearby moon and
seemingly newish planet that’s also extremely nearby (passing nearly
within 100 LD every 19 months) has to offer, and the one small area
that I’ve interpreted is just offering another perfectly good 2D
illusion that you can walk on by and otherwise ignore because, it’s
purely an illusion like most everything else about the planet Venus
can be so unbelievable, unless it’s already mainstream published and
in our K-12 textbooks which can never be revised because, that notion
of revision would only risk making folks responsible for our mostly
public funded education look bad, and we certainly can’t allow that to
happen.
At any rate, there’s lots of worthy illusions to look at, besides the
ones I’ve pointed out to our NASA ever since December 2000.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
question:
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On Feb 12, 10:18 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 16, 2012, 6:59:05 AM2/16/12
to
Guth Venus, the ultimate 2D/3D illusion(s):
shadows and variations of illumination), and this could also be
big aircraft encountering the building and seeing those walking up to
yourself to go with your natural instincts, you’ll just keep accepting
refusing any handout of such handout loot because logically you know
because it’s not a logical perception or interpretation that anyone
in Iraq, whereas all the supposed record keeping for that handout of
compacted bricks worth of our hard earned loot was supposedly forever
lost on 9/11, so much for the GAO/Pentagon and CIA form of vapor
accounting that lost track of those trillions).
Since there’s no social/political requirement for accepting any given
handout packets of loot or that of better interpreted science, you
have no moral or intellectual reason(s) nor any apparent
responsibility or even remorse as to others or yourself by refusing to
Venus that I’ve interpreted is just offering another perfectly good 2D
illusion that’s isn’t falsely illuminated into giving us those odd or
unexpected shadows, that for the most part you can walk on by and
otherwise ignore because, it’s purely another derivative formulated
illusion like most everything else about the planet Venus that to many
K-12s and higher educated can be so unbelievable, unless it’s already
mainstream published and planted in our K-12 textbooks which can never
At any rate, there’s lots of worthy illusions to look at, besides the
ones I’ve consistently pointed out to our NASA ever since December
2000.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_S...
When we interpret an image of anything, it’s always an illusion of 2D
that we try our best to deductively interpret as 3D (usually via
shadows and variations of illumination), and this could also be
including the photographic 2D illusions of an aircraft smashing into a
tall building or even that of a person handing out $100,000 packets of
loot to anyone walking by should also be considered another form of
illusion, even though it’s clearly apparent that everyone noticing the
tall building or even that of a person handing out $100,000 packets of
loot to anyone walking by should also be considered another form of
big aircraft encountering the building and seeing those walking up to
this person vending out such large sums of loot might seem quite
rationally attracted as to paying attention and logically reacting to
such an illusion, and seemingly quite happy about their not being in
that tall building and/or not unhappy about receiving their
illusionary packet of loot that looks, feels and spends perfectly
real, whereas to yourself it is still nothing but an illusion because
that tall building and/or not unhappy about receiving their
illusionary packet of loot that looks, feels and spends perfectly
you simply can’t trust whatever your eyes and supposedly educated
brain are deductively telling you. Whereas instead of allowing
yourself to go with your natural instincts, you’ll just keep accepting
whatever your peers have to say and otherwise walking yourself on by
the given situation because it’s an illusion, and otherwise by
refusing any handout of such handout loot because logically you know
it’s but an illusion that others only seem perfectly happy and willing
to accept as the real thing, simply makes no difference to yourself
because it’s not a logical perception or interpretation that anyone
would actually be handing out such packets of loot to just anyone that
comes along. (actually our CIA was in fact doing just that, except
with even larger packets of loot handed out to essentially stringers
comes along. (actually our CIA was in fact doing just that, except
in Iraq, whereas all the supposed record keeping for that handout of
compacted bricks worth of our hard earned loot was supposedly forever
lost on 9/11, so much for the GAO/Pentagon and CIA form of vapor
accounting that lost track of those trillions).
Since there’s no social/political requirement for accepting any given
have no moral or intellectual reason(s) nor any apparent
responsibility or even remorse as to others or yourself by refusing to
accept the gift. So, everything remains copasetic and socially/
politically failsafe without ever risking consequences when you don’t
have to risk going against the mainstream status quo that you’ve been
politically failsafe without ever risking consequences when you don’t
taught/indoctrinated to blindly follow.
At least that’s kind of what our mostly public funded astronomy and
astrophysics folks as representing our peers of intellectual authority
have been telling us all along, that whenever we should come across
anything that deductively interprets as unexpectedly interesting and/
or seems kind of highly unusual or special, is for the rest of us to
simply block it out and ignore by looking the other way, because if
it’s not initially presented to us by the mainstream of public funded
science and the superior intelligence of their authoritarian status
quo, as so often published extensively by their own dominated media,
At least that’s kind of what our mostly public funded astronomy and
astrophysics folks as representing our peers of intellectual authority
have been telling us all along, that whenever we should come across
anything that deductively interprets as unexpectedly interesting and/
or seems kind of highly unusual or special, is for the rest of us to
simply block it out and ignore by looking the other way, because if
it’s not initially presented to us by the mainstream of public funded
science and the superior intelligence of their authoritarian status
then it’s just an illusion regardless of whatever it otherwise
interprets as to yourself.
There’s actually lots of good old and new science about our moon and
the planet Venus that’s either an illusion or simply doesn’t fit our
schooling/indoctrination mold of what such a massive nearby moon and
seemingly newish planet that’s also extremely nearby (passing nearly
within 100 LD every 19 months) has to offer, and the one small area of
interprets as to yourself.
There’s actually lots of good old and new science about our moon and
the planet Venus that’s either an illusion or simply doesn’t fit our
schooling/indoctrination mold of what such a massive nearby moon and
seemingly newish planet that’s also extremely nearby (passing nearly
Venus that I’ve interpreted is just offering another perfectly good 2D
illusion that’s isn’t falsely illuminated into giving us those odd or
unexpected shadows, that for the most part you can walk on by and
otherwise ignore because, it’s purely another derivative formulated
illusion like most everything else about the planet Venus that to many
K-12s and higher educated can be so unbelievable, unless it’s already
mainstream published and planted in our K-12 textbooks which can never
be revised because, that notion of revision would only risk making
folks responsible for our mostly public funded education look bad, and
we certainly can’t allow that to ever happen.
folks responsible for our mostly public funded education look bad, and
At any rate, there’s lots of worthy illusions to look at, besides the
2000.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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On Feb 12, 10:18 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
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to
With the recent interpretation of an artistically depicted quasar
galaxy (because APM 08279+5255 simply isn’t optically worth looking
at) that’s supposedly surrounded by a molecular worthy cloud of 1.4e14
times the worth of every drop of water on Earth, is kind of suggesting
that solar systems within that terrific galaxy are at least
collectively packing another thousand fold as much water, and along
with that interpretation seems to further suggest there could easily
be a trillion Goldilocks worthy and sufficiently wet worlds situated
within that one galaxy alone. At least that’s the good news, however
its distance and high redshift of 3.9 (.91c) is going to make those
trillion plus Goldilocks water-worlds vanish from even the best radio
astronomy view, because at 12+e9 ly it’s already optically at the
extreme far edge of our cosmic event horizon of perpetual darkness or
nothingness as is, and supposedly moving away at .91c.
Of course, by now (12+ billion years older), that terrifically distant
and very old galaxy of water should have been getting itself spent
into mostly white dwarfs, neutron stars and black holes getting
consumed by its considerably massive quasar populated core of those
super-ultra massive black holes. In other words, that distant galaxy
of such considerable spare water is probably done for, unless renewed
stars of greater metallicity have emerged in spite of those pesky
quasars and ultra-massive black holes.
Within our fly-by-rocket reach is Mars with hardly any accessible
surface water, and equally as even or more crystal dry is that of our
physically dark moon/Selene that should have been commercially
exploited by now. However the extremely nearby planet Venus is
actually not a dry hole, with more water on its way as geothermally
vented from within itself. This still doesn’t make that planet Venus
suitable for naked Goldilocks frolicking by any nudist camp standards
that I know of, although with intelligence and applied physics along
with reasonable technology (such as their having a composite rigid
airship/shuttle) should make that extremely nearby planet a perfectly
viable alternative to Earth.
Those pesky orbital and nearby tidal binding forces of our mighty
powerful moon and even those of Venus occasionally affects our world
in more ways than being extremely bright and of nearby items in the
sky (even visible by day) as second and third only to our sun
(actually the moon at an average dark surface albedo of 7% is
physically nearly as dark as coal and otherwise it’s continually
modulating those plate tectonics of Earth far more substantially than
our sun), that which any conventional observation can not possibly
avoid seeing unless you are a NASA/Apollo buff that’s badly
nearsighted as well as mineral colorblind and even gets away with
using those socially/politically correct conditional laws of physics
and FUD approved observationology, which makes such nearby and
especially vibrant items like Venus and Sirius plus a few other items
within the DR(dynamic range) of Kodak film as always invisible when
viewed from the physically dark moon or even while orbiting our moon.
However, those actual dark basalt bedrock and strewn meteorite covered
surfaces of our moon and Venus should become especially darker and
deeply mineral color/hue saturated when viewed up close and at low
angles of illumination, plus even depicted with better contrast when
having polarized optics involved, as well as a whole lot better yet
when narrow bandpass filters get utilized and the composite/stacked
image offers the maximum color/hue saturations of those surface
minerals, as well as especially nifty whenever there’s raw solar UV
energy available to cause those secondary/recoil photons of mostly
bluish/purple colors from reactive minerals or elements to nearly glow
or fluoresce in such a UV saturated illumination and otherwise highly
contrasting environment that never seemed to exist on our naked moon
according to those tens of thousands of Kodak film recorded images.
Of course, as we eventually manage to get ourselves off-world or
continue to accomplish explorations via better probes and robotic
instruments getting down closer or directly upon the surface, is when
those local minerals (especially of heavy elements) tend to make their
visual appearance of physical substances appear as much darker (even
carbonado back-diamond is nearly coal-black, and otherwise
paramagnetic basalt is also another fairly dense substance at 3.5~4.5
g/cm3 plus nearly as carbon dark as any typical clump of coal,
although nano carbon as nano-soot or pure photon energy absorbing
buckyballs should be least reflective outside of their otherwise
forming a perfection clear 99.9% transparent diamond matrix), and many
of those local minerals of darker or more intense colors should
otherwise become apparent in ways that when viewed from Earth or even
via telephoto lens and camera from orbit couldn’t possibly do
sufficient justice unless narrow bandpass filters are properly
utilized along with a low angle (ideally of less than 45 degrees)
illumination is what always goes a long ways towards improved dynamic
range and color/hue saturation imaging. Technically such narrow
bandpass filters of UV to IR are utilized all the time for places like
Mars and other worlds or moons, as well as applied for recording the
natural geology and active dynamics of Earth, but for some odd reason
those optical filters and imaging techniques have extensively not been
utilized by our NASA missions pertaining to our moon or Venus (at
least seldom if ever published for all to see). Venus is obviously a
bit tougher world to record its minerals from orbit without using SAR
and gamma spectrum imaging methods, which of course is always
colorblind and thus excludes all those natural visualized mineral
colors/hues to begin with, although a landing or even better is having
a floating airship probe would certainly have done the job rather
nicely.
A closer probe look-see at icy Sedna and Makemake with their unusually
deep reddish look could actually be the illusion of carbon buckyballs
or perhaps similar to cryogenic hydrocarbons as being so energy
absorbing that only reemit photons as those seemingly red (although
cryogenic radon is also capable of itself emitting a kind of reddish-
orange and perhaps mostly offering a reddish glow at 25 K), and
supposedly our moon has radon gas to along with its local cache of
radium that’s creating that Rn222, as well the heavy/dense element
thorium can’t be in any short supply (<18 ppm) suggesting
concentrations in excess of several thousand ppm should not be
unexpected (concentrations of Thorium on Earth range up to 1.7%, and
supposedly the moon offers something greater).
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2007/03/Seeing%20lunar%20thorium%20more%20clearly.aspx
Thorium hot spots do exist on Earth and especially on Venus:
http://nucleargreen.blogspot.com/2008/03/abundance-of-thorium.html
“Australia is hardly the only region where undiscovered thorium
resources exist. Smith and Barnes, reporting on assays in Lehigh, and
Northampton Counties, Pennsylvania, list findings of up too 16,900 PPM
thorium in soil samples, and up too 2600 PPM in granitic rock.”
One Russian probe landing on Venus sat down on top of a 6.5% thorium
cache, so it’s entirely conceivable that even our moon has similar
mascons. Of course those instrument readings could be skewed by the
less atomic age of those two entirely different locations.
http://www.mentallandscape.com/V_Vega.htm
However, directly accomplishing a complex and toasty planet like
Venus that offers unlimited local energy just from the atmospheric
thermal and pressure differentials plus thousands of active geothermal
vents, as such isn’t going to be easy (though it should be somewhat if
not considerably better suited for us than our naked moon, and
especially doable if we have ourselves outfitted with a composite
rigid airship kind of buoyant shuttle to work with), at least it’s
passing conveniently nearby every 19 months and thereby represents the
most fly-by-rocket accessible plant, plus otherwise it should
represent the most technically doable planet, that is unless your
closed mindset has some kind of ultra mainstream firewall of perpetual
naysay and denial that’s insurmountable and/or snookered and
dumbfounded itself past the point of no return.
As long as the most wealthy have been financed via public and borrowed
loot and/or having specifically hired FUD-masters to run parts of our
government (into the ground if need be), as well as their pimping our
NASA infomercial eyecandy as a public funded side-show of providing
only limited science plus otherwise maintaining various need-to-know
and/or nondisclosure issues, whereas even the holy grail of obtaining
pure fusion energy from our spendy NIF investment will likely not ever
become acceptable or allowed to directly benefit most of us (such as
for delivering cleaner, better, cheaper energy and of course fusion
powered rockets), because of its absolutely terrific fusion bomb
potential being their prime motivation and true objective of what our
NIF has always been all about to start with, is what makes fusion
energy into yet another unusable technology because of its vast WMD
potential and worse being its global energy deflation threat, is
somewhat like home brewed HTP and Acetone Peroxide “(triacetone
triperoxide, peroxyacetone, TATP, TCAP)” is an artificial organic
solid/crystal form of pure hydrogen peroxide and a primary type of
extremely high density explosive energy that’s easy enough to make and
hide or to even create on demand, and it provides one hell of an
explosive 5.3 km/sec exhaust or shockwave kick with little if any
residue.
So instead of getting ourselves way a better K12 education and the use
of the most environment friendly and way cheaper energy, we’re stuck
with forever sucking on spendy and dirty hydrocarbons, plus having to
deal with only the most nasty kinds of nuclear energy that’s also kept
artificially spendy because that is what benefits the mainstream
status-quo..
In other words, there’s really no such thing as any perfectly failsafe
energy, other than reconsidering Mokenergy hydrogen that’s relatively
cheap though not very compact (poor energy density per given volume of
H2 for any personal use unless it’s highly compressed or supplied as
LH2), but otherwise easily obtained from water and renewable solar
energy for as little as $100/tonne (commercially cheaper) if you’d
care to create it yourself from applied solar energy and water that’ll
give you H2 and O2 as separate elements to do whatever you like with.
Apparently there’s also the highly speculative if not fuzzy-physics of
“Blacklight Power” as offering a better (CIHT) hydrogen fuel-cell
technology of perhaps mostly “pie in the sky” physics that’s still
worth our understanding when its equipment cost is suggested as only
$25/kw (sounds kinda like Brown’s Gas technology, whereas as you
always have to put more energy in than you can possibly get back), but
when that initial energy input is via solar, who the hell cares how
inefficient it is.
Most other hydrogen fuel cells can only offer up to 55% conversion
efficiency, though many of those only manage to commercially deliver
near 45%.
Canadian oily sand is clearly an energy net loss (not to mention its
truly horrific environmental impact) as sort of negative hydrocarbon
energy because it takes more energy input and causes more pollution
than the exported oil is actually worth, but what the hell, as long as
the spot oil market speculators and insider trading keeps it above $60/
barrel, they can’t lose. (no wonder cheaper/rogue oil sources had to
be diverted and/or attacked with as many false flags as possible)
http://www.blacklightpower.com/index.shtml
http://www.blacklightpower.com/exec_summary.shtml
“CIHT Technology: The direct generation of electrical power by the
formation of hydrinos. The fuel is hydrogen that may be produced from
water by diverting as little as 0.5% of the electrical output.” (in
other words, perpetual energy which just can’t happen unless cold
fusion or something seriously quantum weird is taking place), so we
shouldn’t expect to see this “pie in the sky” option anytime soon.
There’s also the more recent and peer substantiated LEAF technology
that claims 5.5% conversion efficiency is doable, which seems kind of
inefficient, except for regardless of that low conversion efficiency
doesn’t really matter because sunlight is free to begin with. The
only trick is to reasonably collect and utilize as much solar energy
as possible, instead of continually wasting and/or ignoring it. At
least according to William Mook (Mokenergy), there’s no shortage of
available open space on federal and state lands or the sunlight for
his farms of solar to hydrogen production, and compared to the all-
inclusive area consumed by nuclear reservations plus all other related
nuclear energy consumed space and it’s vast local and global
infrastructure that’s also spendy as hell and requires multiple
complex layers of regulations, safety and security enforcements in
order to manage the terrorist as well as natural threat protection
(not to mention its spent fuel and MOX as offering terrific WMD
potential and one hell of an environmental threat), whereas instead of
such conventional nuclear there’s always good old solar converted into
H2 and O2 that would do every bit as well if not a whole lot better
job for us, and otherwise we certainly need a beefed up national power
grid anyway (not that H2 couldn’t be piped anywhere natural gas is
currently distributed, as well as delivered in the liquid forms of
better and cheaper synfuels from coal or as bulk LH2).
Obviously there’s hydrogen stored within each and every drop of
water. However, getting that H2 separated from the O2 is typically
much easier said than done. Even if the BlackLight equipment cost
were initially ten fold greater (say $250/kw), and they only manage to
achieve initially 10% of their proposed energy performance, it still
has the potential to become a considerable win-win for everyone except
Big Energy. Otherwise there’s always Mokenergy hydrogen created at as
little as $100/tonne (ten cents/kg) that shouldn’t be continually
ignored, perhaps because it’s actually technically doable and we could
get up to 140 Mj/kg or nearly 39 KWH(t)/kg when properly reacted with
O2, which in the right kind of fuel cells can deliver 20 KWH(e)/kg,
and of course there’s always plenty of other liquid hydrocarbons and
synfuel uses for cheap hydrogen, such as making Big Energy (including
nuclear) cringe and sweat bullets at any thought of Mook’s clean and
cheap energy that’s practically as renewable and environmentally
friendly as it gets, whereas perhaps only thorium fueled reactors
could match his offer.
http://www.mokenergy.com/
In the mean time, we’re all getting systematically screwed-over at
the hydrocarbon pump, as well as our environment trashed plus extorted
at most everything else that has been getting inflated (not to mention
the ongoing cost of bogus wars over oil, gas and drugs), and at least
for the moment there’s nothing off-world that will ever be absolute
Goldilocks ideal or “Garden of Eden” friendly (consider the vast
majority [95%] of Earth hardly qualifies as naked Goldilocks approved,
and there’s certainly not all that much about Earth that’s entirely
failsafe towards sustaining human life), so we frail and energy
consuming humans should expect to encounter a great deal of weird
environments and possible biodiversity challenges that’ll involve
discretion and adaptation (conceivably similar to Pandora), that’ll be
required of our existing/coexisting upon most any other planet or moon
regardless of it's nifty resources or whatever abundance of valuable
elements. In other words, the other planets or moons are going to be
either too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry, too seismically unstable
or simply too radioactive and otherwise biologically toxic (kind of
like parts of Japan have recently become) to most of us, so if nothing
else we could certainly still go there in our dumbfounded Goldilocks
buff to die.
However, as far as I can tell, the relatively safe and extremely
nearby planet Venus is just offering a perfectly good and technically
accessible off-world kind of nifty place to start off with, not that
we'd necessarily be the first or the last to realize whatever sorts of
terrific wealth in raw elements that toasty pressure cooker planet has
to offer (such as offering unlimited local energy to do whatever
with). I believe the similar argument(s) could be said of whatever's
upon the surface and within the thick and robust paramagnetic crust of
our moon, not to mention whatever weird fluff is inside of that
sucker.
BTW; just for being a good investigative sport, see if you or any of
your best friends can manage to interpret anything within the
following image of “Guth Venus” that doesn’t quite look as though the
worthy). If you’re stumped, then turn this over to a bunch of 5th
graders as a class science project.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_S...
galaxy (because APM 08279+5255 simply isn’t optically worth looking
at) that’s supposedly surrounded by a molecular worthy cloud of 1.4e14
times the worth of every drop of water on Earth, is kind of suggesting
that solar systems within that terrific galaxy are at least
collectively packing another thousand fold as much water, and along
with that interpretation seems to further suggest there could easily
be a trillion Goldilocks worthy and sufficiently wet worlds situated
within that one galaxy alone. At least that’s the good news, however
its distance and high redshift of 3.9 (.91c) is going to make those
trillion plus Goldilocks water-worlds vanish from even the best radio
astronomy view, because at 12+e9 ly it’s already optically at the
extreme far edge of our cosmic event horizon of perpetual darkness or
nothingness as is, and supposedly moving away at .91c.
Of course, by now (12+ billion years older), that terrifically distant
and very old galaxy of water should have been getting itself spent
into mostly white dwarfs, neutron stars and black holes getting
consumed by its considerably massive quasar populated core of those
super-ultra massive black holes. In other words, that distant galaxy
of such considerable spare water is probably done for, unless renewed
stars of greater metallicity have emerged in spite of those pesky
quasars and ultra-massive black holes.
Within our fly-by-rocket reach is Mars with hardly any accessible
surface water, and equally as even or more crystal dry is that of our
physically dark moon/Selene that should have been commercially
exploited by now. However the extremely nearby planet Venus is
actually not a dry hole, with more water on its way as geothermally
vented from within itself. This still doesn’t make that planet Venus
suitable for naked Goldilocks frolicking by any nudist camp standards
that I know of, although with intelligence and applied physics along
with reasonable technology (such as their having a composite rigid
airship/shuttle) should make that extremely nearby planet a perfectly
viable alternative to Earth.
Those pesky orbital and nearby tidal binding forces of our mighty
powerful moon and even those of Venus occasionally affects our world
in more ways than being extremely bright and of nearby items in the
sky (even visible by day) as second and third only to our sun
(actually the moon at an average dark surface albedo of 7% is
physically nearly as dark as coal and otherwise it’s continually
modulating those plate tectonics of Earth far more substantially than
our sun), that which any conventional observation can not possibly
avoid seeing unless you are a NASA/Apollo buff that’s badly
nearsighted as well as mineral colorblind and even gets away with
using those socially/politically correct conditional laws of physics
and FUD approved observationology, which makes such nearby and
especially vibrant items like Venus and Sirius plus a few other items
within the DR(dynamic range) of Kodak film as always invisible when
viewed from the physically dark moon or even while orbiting our moon.
However, those actual dark basalt bedrock and strewn meteorite covered
surfaces of our moon and Venus should become especially darker and
deeply mineral color/hue saturated when viewed up close and at low
angles of illumination, plus even depicted with better contrast when
having polarized optics involved, as well as a whole lot better yet
when narrow bandpass filters get utilized and the composite/stacked
image offers the maximum color/hue saturations of those surface
minerals, as well as especially nifty whenever there’s raw solar UV
energy available to cause those secondary/recoil photons of mostly
bluish/purple colors from reactive minerals or elements to nearly glow
or fluoresce in such a UV saturated illumination and otherwise highly
contrasting environment that never seemed to exist on our naked moon
according to those tens of thousands of Kodak film recorded images.
Of course, as we eventually manage to get ourselves off-world or
continue to accomplish explorations via better probes and robotic
instruments getting down closer or directly upon the surface, is when
those local minerals (especially of heavy elements) tend to make their
visual appearance of physical substances appear as much darker (even
carbonado back-diamond is nearly coal-black, and otherwise
paramagnetic basalt is also another fairly dense substance at 3.5~4.5
g/cm3 plus nearly as carbon dark as any typical clump of coal,
although nano carbon as nano-soot or pure photon energy absorbing
buckyballs should be least reflective outside of their otherwise
forming a perfection clear 99.9% transparent diamond matrix), and many
of those local minerals of darker or more intense colors should
otherwise become apparent in ways that when viewed from Earth or even
via telephoto lens and camera from orbit couldn’t possibly do
sufficient justice unless narrow bandpass filters are properly
utilized along with a low angle (ideally of less than 45 degrees)
illumination is what always goes a long ways towards improved dynamic
range and color/hue saturation imaging. Technically such narrow
bandpass filters of UV to IR are utilized all the time for places like
Mars and other worlds or moons, as well as applied for recording the
natural geology and active dynamics of Earth, but for some odd reason
those optical filters and imaging techniques have extensively not been
utilized by our NASA missions pertaining to our moon or Venus (at
least seldom if ever published for all to see). Venus is obviously a
bit tougher world to record its minerals from orbit without using SAR
and gamma spectrum imaging methods, which of course is always
colorblind and thus excludes all those natural visualized mineral
colors/hues to begin with, although a landing or even better is having
a floating airship probe would certainly have done the job rather
nicely.
A closer probe look-see at icy Sedna and Makemake with their unusually
deep reddish look could actually be the illusion of carbon buckyballs
or perhaps similar to cryogenic hydrocarbons as being so energy
absorbing that only reemit photons as those seemingly red (although
cryogenic radon is also capable of itself emitting a kind of reddish-
orange and perhaps mostly offering a reddish glow at 25 K), and
supposedly our moon has radon gas to along with its local cache of
radium that’s creating that Rn222, as well the heavy/dense element
thorium can’t be in any short supply (<18 ppm) suggesting
concentrations in excess of several thousand ppm should not be
unexpected (concentrations of Thorium on Earth range up to 1.7%, and
supposedly the moon offers something greater).
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2007/03/Seeing%20lunar%20thorium%20more%20clearly.aspx
Thorium hot spots do exist on Earth and especially on Venus:
http://nucleargreen.blogspot.com/2008/03/abundance-of-thorium.html
“Australia is hardly the only region where undiscovered thorium
resources exist. Smith and Barnes, reporting on assays in Lehigh, and
Northampton Counties, Pennsylvania, list findings of up too 16,900 PPM
thorium in soil samples, and up too 2600 PPM in granitic rock.”
One Russian probe landing on Venus sat down on top of a 6.5% thorium
cache, so it’s entirely conceivable that even our moon has similar
mascons. Of course those instrument readings could be skewed by the
less atomic age of those two entirely different locations.
http://www.mentallandscape.com/V_Vega.htm
However, directly accomplishing a complex and toasty planet like
Venus that offers unlimited local energy just from the atmospheric
thermal and pressure differentials plus thousands of active geothermal
vents, as such isn’t going to be easy (though it should be somewhat if
not considerably better suited for us than our naked moon, and
especially doable if we have ourselves outfitted with a composite
rigid airship kind of buoyant shuttle to work with), at least it’s
passing conveniently nearby every 19 months and thereby represents the
most fly-by-rocket accessible plant, plus otherwise it should
represent the most technically doable planet, that is unless your
closed mindset has some kind of ultra mainstream firewall of perpetual
naysay and denial that’s insurmountable and/or snookered and
dumbfounded itself past the point of no return.
As long as the most wealthy have been financed via public and borrowed
loot and/or having specifically hired FUD-masters to run parts of our
government (into the ground if need be), as well as their pimping our
NASA infomercial eyecandy as a public funded side-show of providing
only limited science plus otherwise maintaining various need-to-know
and/or nondisclosure issues, whereas even the holy grail of obtaining
pure fusion energy from our spendy NIF investment will likely not ever
become acceptable or allowed to directly benefit most of us (such as
for delivering cleaner, better, cheaper energy and of course fusion
powered rockets), because of its absolutely terrific fusion bomb
potential being their prime motivation and true objective of what our
NIF has always been all about to start with, is what makes fusion
energy into yet another unusable technology because of its vast WMD
potential and worse being its global energy deflation threat, is
somewhat like home brewed HTP and Acetone Peroxide “(triacetone
triperoxide, peroxyacetone, TATP, TCAP)” is an artificial organic
solid/crystal form of pure hydrogen peroxide and a primary type of
extremely high density explosive energy that’s easy enough to make and
hide or to even create on demand, and it provides one hell of an
explosive 5.3 km/sec exhaust or shockwave kick with little if any
residue.
So instead of getting ourselves way a better K12 education and the use
of the most environment friendly and way cheaper energy, we’re stuck
with forever sucking on spendy and dirty hydrocarbons, plus having to
deal with only the most nasty kinds of nuclear energy that’s also kept
artificially spendy because that is what benefits the mainstream
status-quo..
In other words, there’s really no such thing as any perfectly failsafe
energy, other than reconsidering Mokenergy hydrogen that’s relatively
cheap though not very compact (poor energy density per given volume of
H2 for any personal use unless it’s highly compressed or supplied as
LH2), but otherwise easily obtained from water and renewable solar
energy for as little as $100/tonne (commercially cheaper) if you’d
care to create it yourself from applied solar energy and water that’ll
give you H2 and O2 as separate elements to do whatever you like with.
Apparently there’s also the highly speculative if not fuzzy-physics of
“Blacklight Power” as offering a better (CIHT) hydrogen fuel-cell
technology of perhaps mostly “pie in the sky” physics that’s still
worth our understanding when its equipment cost is suggested as only
$25/kw (sounds kinda like Brown’s Gas technology, whereas as you
always have to put more energy in than you can possibly get back), but
when that initial energy input is via solar, who the hell cares how
inefficient it is.
Most other hydrogen fuel cells can only offer up to 55% conversion
efficiency, though many of those only manage to commercially deliver
near 45%.
Canadian oily sand is clearly an energy net loss (not to mention its
truly horrific environmental impact) as sort of negative hydrocarbon
energy because it takes more energy input and causes more pollution
than the exported oil is actually worth, but what the hell, as long as
the spot oil market speculators and insider trading keeps it above $60/
barrel, they can’t lose. (no wonder cheaper/rogue oil sources had to
be diverted and/or attacked with as many false flags as possible)
http://www.blacklightpower.com/index.shtml
http://www.blacklightpower.com/exec_summary.shtml
“CIHT Technology: The direct generation of electrical power by the
formation of hydrinos. The fuel is hydrogen that may be produced from
water by diverting as little as 0.5% of the electrical output.” (in
other words, perpetual energy which just can’t happen unless cold
fusion or something seriously quantum weird is taking place), so we
shouldn’t expect to see this “pie in the sky” option anytime soon.
There’s also the more recent and peer substantiated LEAF technology
that claims 5.5% conversion efficiency is doable, which seems kind of
inefficient, except for regardless of that low conversion efficiency
doesn’t really matter because sunlight is free to begin with. The
only trick is to reasonably collect and utilize as much solar energy
as possible, instead of continually wasting and/or ignoring it. At
least according to William Mook (Mokenergy), there’s no shortage of
available open space on federal and state lands or the sunlight for
his farms of solar to hydrogen production, and compared to the all-
inclusive area consumed by nuclear reservations plus all other related
nuclear energy consumed space and it’s vast local and global
infrastructure that’s also spendy as hell and requires multiple
complex layers of regulations, safety and security enforcements in
order to manage the terrorist as well as natural threat protection
(not to mention its spent fuel and MOX as offering terrific WMD
potential and one hell of an environmental threat), whereas instead of
such conventional nuclear there’s always good old solar converted into
H2 and O2 that would do every bit as well if not a whole lot better
job for us, and otherwise we certainly need a beefed up national power
grid anyway (not that H2 couldn’t be piped anywhere natural gas is
currently distributed, as well as delivered in the liquid forms of
better and cheaper synfuels from coal or as bulk LH2).
Obviously there’s hydrogen stored within each and every drop of
water. However, getting that H2 separated from the O2 is typically
much easier said than done. Even if the BlackLight equipment cost
were initially ten fold greater (say $250/kw), and they only manage to
achieve initially 10% of their proposed energy performance, it still
has the potential to become a considerable win-win for everyone except
Big Energy. Otherwise there’s always Mokenergy hydrogen created at as
little as $100/tonne (ten cents/kg) that shouldn’t be continually
ignored, perhaps because it’s actually technically doable and we could
get up to 140 Mj/kg or nearly 39 KWH(t)/kg when properly reacted with
O2, which in the right kind of fuel cells can deliver 20 KWH(e)/kg,
and of course there’s always plenty of other liquid hydrocarbons and
synfuel uses for cheap hydrogen, such as making Big Energy (including
nuclear) cringe and sweat bullets at any thought of Mook’s clean and
cheap energy that’s practically as renewable and environmentally
friendly as it gets, whereas perhaps only thorium fueled reactors
could match his offer.
http://www.mokenergy.com/
In the mean time, we’re all getting systematically screwed-over at
the hydrocarbon pump, as well as our environment trashed plus extorted
at most everything else that has been getting inflated (not to mention
the ongoing cost of bogus wars over oil, gas and drugs), and at least
for the moment there’s nothing off-world that will ever be absolute
Goldilocks ideal or “Garden of Eden” friendly (consider the vast
majority [95%] of Earth hardly qualifies as naked Goldilocks approved,
and there’s certainly not all that much about Earth that’s entirely
failsafe towards sustaining human life), so we frail and energy
consuming humans should expect to encounter a great deal of weird
environments and possible biodiversity challenges that’ll involve
discretion and adaptation (conceivably similar to Pandora), that’ll be
required of our existing/coexisting upon most any other planet or moon
regardless of it's nifty resources or whatever abundance of valuable
elements. In other words, the other planets or moons are going to be
either too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry, too seismically unstable
or simply too radioactive and otherwise biologically toxic (kind of
like parts of Japan have recently become) to most of us, so if nothing
else we could certainly still go there in our dumbfounded Goldilocks
buff to die.
However, as far as I can tell, the relatively safe and extremely
nearby planet Venus is just offering a perfectly good and technically
accessible off-world kind of nifty place to start off with, not that
we'd necessarily be the first or the last to realize whatever sorts of
terrific wealth in raw elements that toasty pressure cooker planet has
to offer (such as offering unlimited local energy to do whatever
with). I believe the similar argument(s) could be said of whatever's
upon the surface and within the thick and robust paramagnetic crust of
our moon, not to mention whatever weird fluff is inside of that
sucker.
BTW; just for being a good investigative sport, see if you or any of
your best friends can manage to interpret anything within the
following image of “Guth Venus” that doesn’t quite look as though the
natural laws of physics and geology was entirely responsible. (try to
remember that the original image is that of a radar obtained composite
of 36 confirming looks or scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down
angle of 43 degrees, so its interpretation can easily become nearly 3D
remember that the original image is that of a radar obtained composite
of 36 confirming looks or scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down
worthy). If you’re stumped, then turn this over to a bunch of 5th
graders as a class science project.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
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On Feb 12, 10:18 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 17, 2012, 1:09:31 AM2/17/12
to
Brad Guth
Feb 17, 2012, 9:39:37 AM2/17/12
to
We can move forward with this, or at least we can allow others to move
forward.
Of course accomplishing constructive/positive things isn't what 99.9%
of those contributing in Usenet/newsgroups ever intend on doing, so
that's rather problematic to start with. Obviously I've hit more than
my fair share of their nerves, because usually all the mainstream
brown-nosed clowns start showing up. These clowns don't seem to
bother those topics that are not a direct threat to their mainstream
status quo.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_37671_-_Aerial_of_repaired_S...
forward.
Of course accomplishing constructive/positive things isn't what 99.9%
of those contributing in Usenet/newsgroups ever intend on doing, so
that's rather problematic to start with. Obviously I've hit more than
my fair share of their nerves, because usually all the mainstream
brown-nosed clowns start showing up. These clowns don't seem to
bother those topics that are not a direct threat to their mainstream
status quo.
Brad Guth
Feb 17, 2012, 11:39:11 PM2/17/12
to
Google Groups Search / Usenet newsgroups
The latest Google improvement has once again buried their public
access to Usenet/newsgroups even deeper, as though there’s something
naughty that has to get hidden from K12s and especially away from
independent investigative media. Gee whiz, I wonder what they’re
trying to hide. Google Groups used to be directly accessed below
their main search window (instead of their “I’m, Feeling Lucky”), then
it got listed near the end of the “More” menu, and now it’s buried yet
another layer below that as deep within the graphic cluttered page of
“Even more”. Next step will have our public Usenet/newsgroups buried
another dozen menu layers deeper.
Public Usenet newsgroup (shortcuts):
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/news.groups/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.org.mensa/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.journalism/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.seti/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sci.astro/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sci.misc/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sci.physics/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sci.planetary/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.education.home-school.misc/topics
The latest Google improvement has once again buried their public
access to Usenet/newsgroups even deeper, as though there’s something
naughty that has to get hidden from K12s and especially away from
independent investigative media. Gee whiz, I wonder what they’re
trying to hide. Google Groups used to be directly accessed below
their main search window (instead of their “I’m, Feeling Lucky”), then
it got listed near the end of the “More” menu, and now it’s buried yet
another layer below that as deep within the graphic cluttered page of
“Even more”. Next step will have our public Usenet/newsgroups buried
another dozen menu layers deeper.
Public Usenet newsgroup (shortcuts):
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/news.groups/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sci.amateur/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.media.newspapers/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.education.science/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.history.what-if/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.media.newspapers/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.education.science/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.org.mensa/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.journalism/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.seti/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sci.astro/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sci.misc/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sci.physics/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sci.planetary/topics
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.education.home-school.misc/topics
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Brad Guth
Feb 18, 2012, 1:24:00 PM2/18/12
to
natural laws of physics and geology was entirely responsible. (try to
remember that the original image is that of a radar obtained composite
of 36 confirming looks or scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down
angle of 43 degrees, so its interpretation can easily become nearly 3D
remember that the original image is that of a radar obtained composite
of 36 confirming looks or scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down
worthy). If you’re stumped, then turn this over to a bunch of 5th
graders as a class science project.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
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Brad Guth
Feb 19, 2012, 12:20:14 AM2/19/12
to
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
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http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
Feb 19, 2012, 9:27:34 AM2/19/12
to
Artificial scarcity isn't anything new, at least not any more so than
insider trading is the new game in town. Skimming and scamming others
out of their hard earned loot is also nothing new.
Going after those rare metals and other valuable elements of our moon,
and perhaps those of Venus, just seems like a perfectly very good idea
that's going to be less problematic than provoking Muslims and causing
yet another round of global inflation.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
insider trading is the new game in town. Skimming and scamming others
out of their hard earned loot is also nothing new.
Going after those rare metals and other valuable elements of our moon,
and perhaps those of Venus, just seems like a perfectly very good idea
that's going to be less problematic than provoking Muslims and causing
yet another round of global inflation.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
On Feb 17, 8:39 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 19, 2012, 3:11:49 PM2/19/12
to
Commercially accomplishing and exploiting our moon or Venus isn’t
about going after any one specific item, or accomplishing one specific
goal. It’s about a multitude of easily available metals, obtaining
loads of complex and valuable isotopes and perhaps even all the
carbonado you could ever imagine. Technically there is no shortage of
water and oxygen within our moon, because processing that physically
dark surface of dense metallicity saturated basalt for extracting the
He3 alone is going to yield those items plus a few other valuable
molecular elements as byproducts. This investment is also about
creating safe habitats within that moon which offers near unlimited
volume and a future of worthy discovery that’s kind of hard to
quantify, especially difficult if having to deal with a mostly closed
naysay mindset. Venus is a we bit tougher nut to crack, but only
because it’s so geologically active and downright toasty, although
heat is a really good thing for processing elements.
As is, artificial scarcity of precious metals, gems and even
hydrocarbons isn't anything new, at least not any more so than insider
trading is the new game in town, because skimming and scamming others
out of their hard earned loot is also nothing new, just like
mainstream tactical FUD isn’t new because Semites and most other faith-
based cults/cabals/mafia use it all the time in order to continue
getting away with their individual and group debauchery.
Going after those rare metals and other valuable elements of our moon,
and perhaps even better those extracted from Venus, just seems like a
perfectly very good idea that's going to be a whole lot less
problematic and a whole lot cheaper than provoking Muslims, causing
yet another war and the subsequent round of global inflation. At
least the math is perfectly clear, in that my analogy of accomplishing
our moon at the investment outflow of 100 billion dollars per month is
representing a win-win-win for everyone except those oligarch
Rothschilds. Once the moon is getting invested into, Venus that has a
lot going for it should start looking all too easy.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
about going after any one specific item, or accomplishing one specific
goal. It’s about a multitude of easily available metals, obtaining
loads of complex and valuable isotopes and perhaps even all the
carbonado you could ever imagine. Technically there is no shortage of
water and oxygen within our moon, because processing that physically
dark surface of dense metallicity saturated basalt for extracting the
He3 alone is going to yield those items plus a few other valuable
molecular elements as byproducts. This investment is also about
creating safe habitats within that moon which offers near unlimited
volume and a future of worthy discovery that’s kind of hard to
quantify, especially difficult if having to deal with a mostly closed
naysay mindset. Venus is a we bit tougher nut to crack, but only
because it’s so geologically active and downright toasty, although
heat is a really good thing for processing elements.
As is, artificial scarcity of precious metals, gems and even
hydrocarbons isn't anything new, at least not any more so than insider
trading is the new game in town, because skimming and scamming others
out of their hard earned loot is also nothing new, just like
mainstream tactical FUD isn’t new because Semites and most other faith-
based cults/cabals/mafia use it all the time in order to continue
getting away with their individual and group debauchery.
Going after those rare metals and other valuable elements of our moon,
perfectly very good idea that's going to be a whole lot less
problematic and a whole lot cheaper than provoking Muslims, causing
yet another war and the subsequent round of global inflation. At
least the math is perfectly clear, in that my analogy of accomplishing
our moon at the investment outflow of 100 billion dollars per month is
representing a win-win-win for everyone except those oligarch
Rothschilds. Once the moon is getting invested into, Venus that has a
lot going for it should start looking all too easy.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
On Feb 17, 8:39 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 19, 2012, 5:59:50 PM2/19/12
to
No wonder our NASA is every bit as dumbfounded and dysfunctional as
they are. If these perpetual critics we have to deal with in Usenet/
newsgroups are supposedly as smart as they come, whereas none of these
good ones are left for NASA and DARPA to hire, is a very problematic
kind of situation. How is it that at each and every interpretation of
the best available and usually public funded science can only be
accomplished by these mainstream Usenet/newsgroup overlords, and never
by any of us independent village idiots as they insist we are totally
worthless?
I mean to suggest that our NASA, DARPA and even JPL have been in much
worse shape than anyone actually realized, because all the really
smart guys and gals are stuck here with their topic/author stalking
and bashing responsibilities that requires full scale obfuscation, FUD
and brown-nosed clown performances nearly 24/7.
I must agree that this subjective science of observationology being
highly deductive and individually interpreted to suit your mindset is
going to be a challenge under the best of conditions to anyone with a
naysay/negative motivated status quo. God forbid anyone else should
offer any interpretations different than theirs.
At any rate, there’s lots of worthy 2D illusions to look at, besides
the ones I’ve consistently pointed out to our NASA, DARPA and other
agencies ever since December 2000.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
they are. If these perpetual critics we have to deal with in Usenet/
newsgroups are supposedly as smart as they come, whereas none of these
good ones are left for NASA and DARPA to hire, is a very problematic
kind of situation. How is it that at each and every interpretation of
the best available and usually public funded science can only be
accomplished by these mainstream Usenet/newsgroup overlords, and never
by any of us independent village idiots as they insist we are totally
worthless?
I mean to suggest that our NASA, DARPA and even JPL have been in much
worse shape than anyone actually realized, because all the really
smart guys and gals are stuck here with their topic/author stalking
and bashing responsibilities that requires full scale obfuscation, FUD
and brown-nosed clown performances nearly 24/7.
I must agree that this subjective science of observationology being
highly deductive and individually interpreted to suit your mindset is
going to be a challenge under the best of conditions to anyone with a
naysay/negative motivated status quo. God forbid anyone else should
offer any interpretations different than theirs.
the ones I’ve consistently pointed out to our NASA, DARPA and other
agencies ever since December 2000.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
Feb 20, 2012, 4:50:18 PM2/20/12
to
We don’t have to go off-world for anything, because our staying put
and making due with as many bad situations, compromises and
consequences (no matters how spendy and bloody) is actually a good
thing for humanity and the environment that obviously needs to get
devastated and trashed, and the sooner the better. At least that’s
exactly what the oligarch/Rothschild mainstream status-quo would like
nothing better.
By any global measure the metallicity of Earth is kind of endless and
even somewhat renewable, because those metallicity elements never
actually go away (other than some via radioactive decay and probes
sent off to other planets and moons), and there’s even abiotic/
abiogenic hydrocarbons being created on the fly. However, in most
cases the access to such elements and our recycling process as well as
even our trash disposal as a whole isn’t terribly energy efficient,
and via whatever natural processes will take next to forever to get
back to where it all started. Naturally the endless supply and
resupply of everything under the sun has gotten a whole lot spendy,
lethal and kind of environmentally devastating as all get out, which
is never a problem for the rich and powerful that are typically well
above any public elected or appointed authority, and could care less
how much something cost or the spilt blood necessary for their
obtaining and consuming anything.
It’s the lower 99.9% rest of us that actually have to work our butts
off for a basic living, that are getting hammered on this somewhat
artificially scarce resource of elements that’s often made a whole lot
worse via hording and insider trading as artificially rare and as
spendy as hell, because market surpluses of just about anything is
typically avoided in order to reinforce or sustain the highest
possible market price, and this is especially true of energy, whereas
whatever you can’t directly control you make darn certain it can’t get
onto the open market in any competitive sense.
Instead of going off-world for clean energy alternatives and all sorts
of metallicity that wouldn’t negatively impact our environment, and
would always maintain good surpluses which would only keep their
pricing competitive and/or as low as possible, whereas instead by
staying right here and sticking with the mainstream status quo,
fighting to our death over the dregs and scraps of rare metals,
various elements, hydrocarbons and even fresh water to go along with
our nutrient depleted soils, is actually the best kind of wartime
economy insurance. Lord knows that those Georgia Guidestones are
correct, in that all but 500 million of us have got to go, no matters
what. The only trick to this is being included in the 500 million
that’ll get to stay put.
On the other hand, off-world resources of energy and metallicity
(essentially all the known elements) are kind of up for grabs, as in
first come first served, or kind of calling dibs. As well the off-
world exploitations of even the moon is offering us nearly unlimited
interior space for future habitat expansion. But for any of this to
work you’d have to have an actual brain, and 99.9% of us seem to be
brain deficient.
Our moon and that extremely nearby planet Venus are each metallicity
treasure troves, as well as offering abundant and essentially
renewable energy as is, and there’s a multitude of other benefits for
those few of us that aren’t naysay indoctrinated by our peers that
prefer the use of obfuscation and denial in order to maintain their
terrestrial oligarch/Rothschild status quo.
Commercially accomplishing and exploiting our moon or Venus isn’t
about going after any one specific item, or accomplishing one specific
goal. It’s about a multitude of easily available metals, obtaining
loads of complex and valuable isotopes and perhaps even all the
carbonado you could ever imagine. Technically there is no shortage of
water and oxygen within our moon, because processing that physically
dark surface of dense metallicity saturated basalt for extracting the
He3 alone is going to yield those items plus a few other valuable
molecular elements as byproducts. This investment is also about
creating safe habitats within that moon which offers near unlimited
volume and a future of worthy discovery that’s kind of hard to
quantify, especially difficult if having to deal with a mostly closed
naysay mindset. Venus is a we bit tougher nut to crack, but only
because it’s so geologically active and downright toasty, although
heat is a really good thing for processing elements.
As is, the artificial scarcity of precious metals, gems and even
and making due with as many bad situations, compromises and
consequences (no matters how spendy and bloody) is actually a good
thing for humanity and the environment that obviously needs to get
devastated and trashed, and the sooner the better. At least that’s
exactly what the oligarch/Rothschild mainstream status-quo would like
nothing better.
By any global measure the metallicity of Earth is kind of endless and
even somewhat renewable, because those metallicity elements never
actually go away (other than some via radioactive decay and probes
sent off to other planets and moons), and there’s even abiotic/
abiogenic hydrocarbons being created on the fly. However, in most
cases the access to such elements and our recycling process as well as
even our trash disposal as a whole isn’t terribly energy efficient,
and via whatever natural processes will take next to forever to get
back to where it all started. Naturally the endless supply and
resupply of everything under the sun has gotten a whole lot spendy,
lethal and kind of environmentally devastating as all get out, which
is never a problem for the rich and powerful that are typically well
above any public elected or appointed authority, and could care less
how much something cost or the spilt blood necessary for their
obtaining and consuming anything.
It’s the lower 99.9% rest of us that actually have to work our butts
off for a basic living, that are getting hammered on this somewhat
artificially scarce resource of elements that’s often made a whole lot
worse via hording and insider trading as artificially rare and as
spendy as hell, because market surpluses of just about anything is
typically avoided in order to reinforce or sustain the highest
possible market price, and this is especially true of energy, whereas
whatever you can’t directly control you make darn certain it can’t get
onto the open market in any competitive sense.
Instead of going off-world for clean energy alternatives and all sorts
of metallicity that wouldn’t negatively impact our environment, and
would always maintain good surpluses which would only keep their
pricing competitive and/or as low as possible, whereas instead by
staying right here and sticking with the mainstream status quo,
fighting to our death over the dregs and scraps of rare metals,
various elements, hydrocarbons and even fresh water to go along with
our nutrient depleted soils, is actually the best kind of wartime
economy insurance. Lord knows that those Georgia Guidestones are
correct, in that all but 500 million of us have got to go, no matters
what. The only trick to this is being included in the 500 million
that’ll get to stay put.
On the other hand, off-world resources of energy and metallicity
(essentially all the known elements) are kind of up for grabs, as in
first come first served, or kind of calling dibs. As well the off-
world exploitations of even the moon is offering us nearly unlimited
interior space for future habitat expansion. But for any of this to
work you’d have to have an actual brain, and 99.9% of us seem to be
brain deficient.
Our moon and that extremely nearby planet Venus are each metallicity
treasure troves, as well as offering abundant and essentially
renewable energy as is, and there’s a multitude of other benefits for
those few of us that aren’t naysay indoctrinated by our peers that
prefer the use of obfuscation and denial in order to maintain their
terrestrial oligarch/Rothschild status quo.
Commercially accomplishing and exploiting our moon or Venus isn’t
about going after any one specific item, or accomplishing one specific
goal. It’s about a multitude of easily available metals, obtaining
loads of complex and valuable isotopes and perhaps even all the
carbonado you could ever imagine. Technically there is no shortage of
water and oxygen within our moon, because processing that physically
dark surface of dense metallicity saturated basalt for extracting the
He3 alone is going to yield those items plus a few other valuable
molecular elements as byproducts. This investment is also about
creating safe habitats within that moon which offers near unlimited
volume and a future of worthy discovery that’s kind of hard to
quantify, especially difficult if having to deal with a mostly closed
naysay mindset. Venus is a we bit tougher nut to crack, but only
because it’s so geologically active and downright toasty, although
heat is a really good thing for processing elements.
hydrocarbons isn't anything new, at least not any more so than insider
trading is the new game in town, because skimming and scamming others
out of their hard earned loot is also nothing new, just like
mainstream tactical FUD isn’t new because Semites and most other faith-
based cults/cabals/mafia use it all the time in order to continue
getting away with their individual and group debauchery.
Going after those rare metals and other valuable elements of our moon,
and perhaps even better those extracted from Venus, just seems like a
perfectly very good idea that's going to be a whole lot less
problematic and a whole lot cheaper than provoking Muslims, causing
yet another war and the subsequent round of global inflation. At
least the math is perfectly clear, in that my analogy of accomplishing
our moon at the investment outflow of 100 billion dollars per month is
representing a win-win-win for everyone except those oligarch
Rothschilds. Once the moon is getting invested into, Venus that has a
lot going for it should start looking all too easy.
trading is the new game in town, because skimming and scamming others
out of their hard earned loot is also nothing new, just like
mainstream tactical FUD isn’t new because Semites and most other faith-
based cults/cabals/mafia use it all the time in order to continue
getting away with their individual and group debauchery.
Going after those rare metals and other valuable elements of our moon,
and perhaps even better those extracted from Venus, just seems like a
perfectly very good idea that's going to be a whole lot less
problematic and a whole lot cheaper than provoking Muslims, causing
yet another war and the subsequent round of global inflation. At
least the math is perfectly clear, in that my analogy of accomplishing
our moon at the investment outflow of 100 billion dollars per month is
representing a win-win-win for everyone except those oligarch
Rothschilds. Once the moon is getting invested into, Venus that has a
lot going for it should start looking all too easy.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
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There’s water, water everywhere. It’s even on the surface of deep
polar craters on our naked moon, and supposedly it’s covered by only a
layer of fluffy dry ice (CO2 crystals) on Mars, as well as those
cryogenic nighttime clouds of Venus are packing part of the 500e12
tonnes worth of acidic water as ice.
With the recent interpretation of an artistically depicted quasar
galaxy (APM 08279+5255 simply isn’t optically worth looking at,
because it’s too far away and badly redshifted to boot) that’s
supposedly surrounded by a wet molecular worthy cloud of 1.4e14 times
moving away at .91c.
Of course, by now (12+ billion years older than the redshifted photons
we detected), that terrifically distant and very old galaxy of water
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2007/03/Seeing%20lunar%20thorium%20more%20clearly.aspx
Thorium hot spots do exist on Earth and especially on Venus:
http://nucleargreen.blogspot.com/2008/03/abundance-of-thorium.html
“Australia is hardly the only region where undiscovered thorium
resources exist. Smith and Barnes, reporting on assays in Lehigh, and
Northampton Counties, Pennsylvania, list findings of up too 16,900 PPM
thorium in soil samples, and up too 2600 PPM in granitic rock.”
One Russian probe landing on Venus sat down on top of a 6.5% thorium
cache, so it’s entirely conceivable that even our moon has similar
mascons of heavy metallicity. Of course those instrument readings
explosive 5.3 km/sec exhaust or rather a cool shockwave kick with
little if any heat or residue.
So instead of getting ourselves a way better K12 education and the
commercial/retail use of the most environment friendly and cheaper
energy, we’re stuck with a perpetual dependence of forever sucking on
their own cache of WMD weapons grade plutonium which our electric
rates have been paying for.
In other words, even under the best of conditions, there’s really no
such thing as any perfectly failsafe and/or zero impact energy, other
commercially create it yourself from applied solar energy and water
running on pure hydrogen are capable of exceeding 50% efficiency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_Energy_Server
Most hydrogen fuel cells can offer up to 60% conversion efficiency,
though many of those only manage to commercially deliver near 50%
while operating on natural gas (not including secondary heat
recovery).
All of that Canadian oily sand is clearly an energy net loss (not to
mention its truly horrific environmental impact) as sort of a purely
wonder those cheaper/rogue oil sources had to be diverted and/or
otherwise Boeing has their multi-gap 100+% PVs. The only required
really shouldn’t be continually ignored, perhaps because it’s actually
140 Mj/kg at a base renewable fuel cost of ten cents/kg.
http://www.mokenergy.com/
In the meantime, we’re all getting systematically screwed-over at the
hydrocarbon pump, as well as with more spendy products and services
linked to the cost of hydrocarbons, as well as our environment trashed
much about this complex environment that’s entirely failsafe towards
recently become) for the likes of most of us, so if nothing else we
could certainly still go there in our dumbfounded Goldilocks buff to
die because most of us are not getting smart enough to easily protect
ourselves.
As far as I can tell, the relatively safe and extremely nearby planet
BTW; just for being a good investigative sport, see if you or any of
your best friends can manage to interpret anything within the
following image of “Guth Venus” that doesn’t quite look as though the
natural laws of physics and geology was entirely responsible. (try to
remember that the original image is that of a radar obtained composite
of 36 confirming looks or scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down
angle of 43 degrees, so its interpretation can easily become nearly 3D
worthy). If you’re stumped, then turn this over to a bunch of 5th
graders as a class science project.
polar craters on our naked moon, and supposedly it’s covered by only a
layer of fluffy dry ice (CO2 crystals) on Mars, as well as those
cryogenic nighttime clouds of Venus are packing part of the 500e12
tonnes worth of acidic water as ice.
With the recent interpretation of an artistically depicted quasar
because it’s too far away and badly redshifted to boot) that’s
supposedly surrounded by a wet molecular worthy cloud of 1.4e14 times
the worth of every drop of water on Earth, is kind of suggesting that
solar systems within that terrific galaxy are at least collectively
packing another thousand fold as much water, and along with that
interpretation seems to further suggest there could easily be a
trillion Goldilocks worthy and sufficiently wet worlds situated within
that one galaxy alone. At least that’s the good news, however its
distance and high redshift of 3.91 (.91c) is going to make those
solar systems within that terrific galaxy are at least collectively
packing another thousand fold as much water, and along with that
interpretation seems to further suggest there could easily be a
trillion Goldilocks worthy and sufficiently wet worlds situated within
that one galaxy alone. At least that’s the good news, however its
trillion plus Goldilocks water-worlds vanish from even the best radio
astronomy view, because at 12+e9 ly it’s already optically at the
extreme far edge of our cosmic event horizon of perpetual darkness or
nothingness as is, and having a proper motion Z of 3.91 is supposedly
astronomy view, because at 12+e9 ly it’s already optically at the
extreme far edge of our cosmic event horizon of perpetual darkness or
moving away at .91c.
Of course, by now (12+ billion years older than the redshifted photons
we detected), that terrifically distant and very old galaxy of water
Thorium hot spots do exist on Earth and especially on Venus:
http://nucleargreen.blogspot.com/2008/03/abundance-of-thorium.html
“Australia is hardly the only region where undiscovered thorium
resources exist. Smith and Barnes, reporting on assays in Lehigh, and
Northampton Counties, Pennsylvania, list findings of up too 16,900 PPM
thorium in soil samples, and up too 2600 PPM in granitic rock.”
One Russian probe landing on Venus sat down on top of a 6.5% thorium
cache, so it’s entirely conceivable that even our moon has similar
could be skewed by the less atomic age of those two entirely different
locations being 4 billion years less old than Earth.
little if any heat or residue.
So instead of getting ourselves a way better K12 education and the
commercial/retail use of the most environment friendly and cheaper
energy, we’re stuck with a perpetual dependence of forever sucking on
spendy and dirty hydrocarbons, plus having to deal with only the most
nasty kinds of nuclear energy that’s also kept artificially spendy
because that is what benefits the mainstream status-quo that needs
nasty kinds of nuclear energy that’s also kept artificially spendy
their own cache of WMD weapons grade plutonium which our electric
rates have been paying for.
In other words, even under the best of conditions, there’s really no
such thing as any perfectly failsafe and/or zero impact energy, other
than reconsidering Mokenergy hydrogen that’s relatively cheap though
not very compact (poor energy density per given volume of H2 for any
personal use unless it’s highly compressed or supplied as LH2), but
otherwise easily obtained from water and renewable solar energy for as
little as $100/tonne (possibly $175/tonne retail) if you’d care to
not very compact (poor energy density per given volume of H2 for any
personal use unless it’s highly compressed or supplied as LH2), but
otherwise easily obtained from water and renewable solar energy for as
commercially create it yourself from applied solar energy and water
that’ll give you H2 and O2 as separate elements to do whatever you
like with. Apparently there’s also the highly speculative if not
fuzzy-physics of “Blacklight Power” as offering a better (CIHT)
hydrogen fuel-cell technology of mostly “pie in the sky” physics
like with. Apparently there’s also the highly speculative if not
fuzzy-physics of “Blacklight Power” as offering a better (CIHT)
that’s still worth our understanding when its equipment cost is
suggested as only $25/kw (sounds kinda like Brown’s Gas technology,
whereas you always have to put more energy in than you can possibly
suggested as only $25/kw (sounds kinda like Brown’s Gas technology,
get back), but when that initial energy input is via solar, who the
hell cares how inefficient it is. Otherwise, commercial fuel cells
running on pure hydrogen are capable of exceeding 50% efficiency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_Energy_Server
Most hydrogen fuel cells can offer up to 60% conversion efficiency,
though many of those only manage to commercially deliver near 50%
while operating on natural gas (not including secondary heat
recovery).
All of that Canadian oily sand is clearly an energy net loss (not to
mention its truly horrific environmental impact) as sort of a purely
negative hydrocarbon energy because it takes more energy input and
causes more pollution than the exported oil is actually worth, but
what the hell, as long as the spot oil market speculators and insider
trading keeps it well above $60/barrel, they can’t hardly lose. (no
causes more pollution than the exported oil is actually worth, but
what the hell, as long as the spot oil market speculators and insider
wonder those cheaper/rogue oil sources had to be diverted and/or
attacked with as many false flags as possible)
http://www.blacklightpower.com/index.shtml
http://www.blacklightpower.com/exec_summary.shtml
“CIHT Technology: The direct generation of electrical power by the
formation of hydrinos. The fuel is hydrogen that may be produced from
water by diverting as little as 0.5% of the electrical output.” (in
other words, perpetual energy which just can’t happen unless cold
fusion or something seriously quantum weird is taking place), so we
shouldn’t expect to see this cheaper fuel cell “pie in the sky” option
http://www.blacklightpower.com/index.shtml
http://www.blacklightpower.com/exec_summary.shtml
“CIHT Technology: The direct generation of electrical power by the
formation of hydrinos. The fuel is hydrogen that may be produced from
water by diverting as little as 0.5% of the electrical output.” (in
other words, perpetual energy which just can’t happen unless cold
fusion or something seriously quantum weird is taking place), so we
anytime soon.
There’s also the more recent and peer substantiated LEAF technology
that claims 5.5% conversion efficiency is doable, which seems kind of
inefficient, except for regardless of that low conversion efficiency
doesn’t really matter because sunlight is free to begin with, and
There’s also the more recent and peer substantiated LEAF technology
that claims 5.5% conversion efficiency is doable, which seems kind of
inefficient, except for regardless of that low conversion efficiency
otherwise Boeing has their multi-gap 100+% PVs. The only required
trick is to reasonably collect and utilize as much solar energy as
possible, instead of continually wasting and/or ignoring it. At least
according to William Mook (Mokenergy), there’s no shortage of
available open space on federal and state lands or the required
possible, instead of continually wasting and/or ignoring it. At least
according to William Mook (Mokenergy), there’s no shortage of
sunlight for his farms of solar to hydrogen production, and compared
to the all-inclusive area consumed by nuclear reservations plus all
other related nuclear energy consumed space and it’s vast local and
global infrastructure that’s also spendy as hell and requires multiple
complex layers of regulations, safety and security enforcements in
order to manage the terrorist as well as natural threat protection
(not to mention its spent fuel and MOX as offering terrific WMD
potential and one hell of an environmental threat by itself), whereas
global infrastructure that’s also spendy as hell and requires multiple
complex layers of regulations, safety and security enforcements in
order to manage the terrorist as well as natural threat protection
(not to mention its spent fuel and MOX as offering terrific WMD
instead of such conventional nuclear there’s always good old solar
converted into H2 and O2 that would do every bit as well if not a
whole lot better job for us, and otherwise we certainly need a beefed
up national power grid anyway (not that H2 couldn’t be piped anywhere
natural gas is currently distributed, as well as delivered in the
liquid forms of better and cheaper synfuels from coal or as bulk LH2).
Obviously there’s hydrogen stored within each and every drop of
water. However, getting that H2 separated from the O2 is typically
much easier said than done. Even if the BlackLight equipment cost
were initially ten fold greater (say $250/kw), and they only manage to
achieve initially 10% of their proposed energy performance, it still
has the potential to become a considerable win-win for everyone except
Big Energy. Otherwise there’s always Mokenergy hydrogen created at as
little as $100/tonne (ten cents/kg on a large scale operation) that
converted into H2 and O2 that would do every bit as well if not a
whole lot better job for us, and otherwise we certainly need a beefed
up national power grid anyway (not that H2 couldn’t be piped anywhere
natural gas is currently distributed, as well as delivered in the
liquid forms of better and cheaper synfuels from coal or as bulk LH2).
Obviously there’s hydrogen stored within each and every drop of
water. However, getting that H2 separated from the O2 is typically
much easier said than done. Even if the BlackLight equipment cost
were initially ten fold greater (say $250/kw), and they only manage to
achieve initially 10% of their proposed energy performance, it still
has the potential to become a considerable win-win for everyone except
Big Energy. Otherwise there’s always Mokenergy hydrogen created at as
really shouldn’t be continually ignored, perhaps because it’s actually
technically doable and we could get up to 140 Mj/kg or nearly 39
KWH(t)/kg when properly reacted with O2, which in the right kind of
fuel cells can deliver 20 KWH(e)/kg, and of course there’s always
plenty of other liquid hydrocarbons and synfuel uses for cheap
hydrogen, such as making Big Energy (including nuclear) cringe and
sweat bullets at any thought of Mook’s clean and cheap energy that’s
practically as renewable and environmentally friendly as it gets,
whereas perhaps only thorium fueled reactors could match his offer of
KWH(t)/kg when properly reacted with O2, which in the right kind of
fuel cells can deliver 20 KWH(e)/kg, and of course there’s always
plenty of other liquid hydrocarbons and synfuel uses for cheap
hydrogen, such as making Big Energy (including nuclear) cringe and
sweat bullets at any thought of Mook’s clean and cheap energy that’s
practically as renewable and environmentally friendly as it gets,
140 Mj/kg at a base renewable fuel cost of ten cents/kg.
http://www.mokenergy.com/
In the meantime, we’re all getting systematically screwed-over at the
hydrocarbon pump, as well as with more spendy products and services
linked to the cost of hydrocarbons, as well as our environment trashed
plus extorted at most everything else that has been getting inflated
(not to mention the ongoing cost of bogus wars over oil, gas and
drugs), and at least for the moment there’s still nothing off-world
(not to mention the ongoing cost of bogus wars over oil, gas and
that will ever be absolute Goldilocks ideal or “Garden of Eden”
friendly (consider the vast majority [95%] of Earth hardly qualifies
as naked Goldilocks approved as is, and there’s certainly not all that
friendly (consider the vast majority [95%] of Earth hardly qualifies
much about this complex environment that’s entirely failsafe towards
sustaining human life), so we frail and energy consuming humans should
expect to encounter a great deal of weird environments and possible
biodiversity challenges that’ll involve discretion and adaptation
(conceivably similar to Pandora), that’ll be required of our existing/
coexisting upon most any other planet or moon regardless of its nifty
expect to encounter a great deal of weird environments and possible
biodiversity challenges that’ll involve discretion and adaptation
(conceivably similar to Pandora), that’ll be required of our existing/
resources or whatever abundance of valuable elements. In other words,
the other planets or moons are going to be either too hot, too cold,
too wet, too dry, too seismically unstable or simply too radioactive
and otherwise biologically too toxic (kind of like parts of Japan have
the other planets or moons are going to be either too hot, too cold,
too wet, too dry, too seismically unstable or simply too radioactive
recently become) for the likes of most of us, so if nothing else we
could certainly still go there in our dumbfounded Goldilocks buff to
die because most of us are not getting smart enough to easily protect
ourselves.
As far as I can tell, the relatively safe and extremely nearby planet
Venus is just offering a perfectly good and technically accessible off-
world kind of nifty place to start off with, not that we'd necessarily
be the first or the last to realize whatever sorts of terrific wealth
in raw elements that toasty pressure cooker planet has to offer (such
as offering unlimited local energy to do whatever with). I believe
the similar argument(s) could be said of whatever's upon the surface
and within the thick and robust paramagnetic crust of our moon, not to
mention whatever weird fluff is deeper inside of that sucker.
world kind of nifty place to start off with, not that we'd necessarily
be the first or the last to realize whatever sorts of terrific wealth
in raw elements that toasty pressure cooker planet has to offer (such
as offering unlimited local energy to do whatever with). I believe
the similar argument(s) could be said of whatever's upon the surface
and within the thick and robust paramagnetic crust of our moon, not to
BTW; just for being a good investigative sport, see if you or any of
your best friends can manage to interpret anything within the
following image of “Guth Venus” that doesn’t quite look as though the
natural laws of physics and geology was entirely responsible. (try to
remember that the original image is that of a radar obtained composite
of 36 confirming looks or scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down
angle of 43 degrees, so its interpretation can easily become nearly 3D
worthy). If you’re stumped, then turn this over to a bunch of 5th
graders as a class science project.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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On Feb 19, 2:59 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 22, 2012, 12:24:34 AM2/22/12
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Venus has been getting more interesting and even cooler by the day,
and if it came any closer to us it would have to be reclassified as a
NEO. As is, Venus gets nearly to within 100 LD every 19 months, and
under those thick and acidic clouds it even manages to show the same
face to us each time (as though it’s somewhat tidal locked, and the
odds of that happening anywhere else in the universe are truly
astronomical). Venus is also slowing down by roughly 6.5 minutes in
16 years, as though it has a very fluid interior.
It’s also geothermal and solar driven to extremes:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Express/SEMUQCLXOWF_0.html
Instrument: VIRTIS
“The map is centred at the South Pole. The measured temperatures range
from 442°C (or 715K), red to 422°C (or 695K) blue; higher temperatures
correspond to lower altitudes, while lower temperature correspond to
higher altitudes. The temperature difference is key to understanding
whether Venus is volcanically active today. Scientists are now
studying the cause of the differences in the expected temperature and
the measured temperature, it can be either due a real increase in
temperature, due to volcanic activity, or an apparent increase in
temperature due to differences in the surface material.”
Notice how much cooler those hottest locations are, roasting at 20 K
cooler than previously reported by our NASA as supposedly having
established the average planet temperature of 735 K. It seems the
average surface is now more like 705 K, which is 30 K below the
previously reported average, and for a planet of this size and mass
represents an absolutely huge thermodynamic shift at being much cooler
than previously thought.
Of course those nighttime upper clouds are still absolutely cryogenic
cold, whereas anything above 65 km is downright seriously cold
(thermosphere/cryosphere). Those polar cloud tops of 60 km altitude
are only worth 250 K (-23 C), and there’s actually enough atmospheric
density for accommodating a composite rigid airship or buoyant shuttle
within that polar vortex. Otherwise at roughly 65 to 70 km it’s only
as warm as 230 K (-43 C), with the upper nighttime thermosphere/
cryosphere pulled down to 100K (-173 C). Directly below those polar
vortex flows it could be a cool as 600 K on the surface, which of
course is still to hot for our naked Goldilocks.
So I really don’t understand how the sun alone can be to responsible
for all that surplus of surface heat, especially when a good 75% of
that solar energy is reflected away and otherwise fended off by those
thick and dense acidic clouds to begin with. If Earth had similar
thick and acidic clouds of 100% coverage, we’d be freezing to death
even in the tropics (especially cold if we didn’t have the 2e20 N/sec
worth of tidal modulation from our terrifically massive and nearby
moon). The radioactive fissions within Venus must be considerable,
along with the thinner crust than Earth must be the primary
contributing source of all that surface heat and active geothermal
vents that has to replenish its atmosphere.
Besides the near 15 m/s vortex that’s progressing to spiral inward and
spin faster from those upper 60+ km cryogenic layers of extreme cold
that’s being drawn down to the 600+ K hot surface near each pole
(inducing one hell of a downdraft and likely sustaining dual polar
tornados that wind energy wise should be worth at least a few TW
each), plus the 15 km of added cloud-top elevation by day at the
equator of reaching nearly 75 km, there’s actually lots of other
interesting ESA obtained science pertaining to the planet Venus:
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=48598
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=39432
Like all natural and/or renewable energy that doesn’t have to get
utilized, just like we do not utilize 99.9999999% (not even a
billionth) of the easily accessible solar energy, as well as we never
utilize the terrific potential energy from radon gas or even from the
local helium and He3 are each elements that we simply vent and/or
waste along with a great deal of CH4 and H2 leakage, as well as via
wellhead flaring and blowouts that includes CO and otherwise creating
loads of CO2, NOx plus multiple other toxic carcinogens as artificial
soot that becomes acidic in the damp atmosphere and otherwise creates
global dimming because, most of us are either not smart enough or
simply don’t care. So there’s no good reason to perceive that even
the smartest of us humans will care about the raw thermodynamics and
those terrific atmospheric pressure differentials of Venus, not to
mention the 10% less gravity and 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy that I believe is
actually worth more by season of nighttime and otherwise pretty hard
to ignore because rigid airships made of iron could float in that
terrific atmospheric soup.
My own investigative research and deductive observationology
interpretations about the “Guth Venus” area, that has numerous
artificial looking items of considerable geometric size to offer, by
which to all known and peer accepted forms of conventional planet
geology and erosion expertise can not be created naturally (unless
those laws of physics work differently on Venus), is just another
silver platter of food for thought.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of area in question:
and if it came any closer to us it would have to be reclassified as a
NEO. As is, Venus gets nearly to within 100 LD every 19 months, and
under those thick and acidic clouds it even manages to show the same
face to us each time (as though it’s somewhat tidal locked, and the
odds of that happening anywhere else in the universe are truly
astronomical). Venus is also slowing down by roughly 6.5 minutes in
16 years, as though it has a very fluid interior.
It’s also geothermal and solar driven to extremes:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Express/SEMUQCLXOWF_0.html
Instrument: VIRTIS
“The map is centred at the South Pole. The measured temperatures range
from 442°C (or 715K), red to 422°C (or 695K) blue; higher temperatures
correspond to lower altitudes, while lower temperature correspond to
higher altitudes. The temperature difference is key to understanding
whether Venus is volcanically active today. Scientists are now
studying the cause of the differences in the expected temperature and
the measured temperature, it can be either due a real increase in
temperature, due to volcanic activity, or an apparent increase in
temperature due to differences in the surface material.”
Notice how much cooler those hottest locations are, roasting at 20 K
cooler than previously reported by our NASA as supposedly having
established the average planet temperature of 735 K. It seems the
average surface is now more like 705 K, which is 30 K below the
previously reported average, and for a planet of this size and mass
represents an absolutely huge thermodynamic shift at being much cooler
than previously thought.
Of course those nighttime upper clouds are still absolutely cryogenic
cold, whereas anything above 65 km is downright seriously cold
(thermosphere/cryosphere). Those polar cloud tops of 60 km altitude
are only worth 250 K (-23 C), and there’s actually enough atmospheric
density for accommodating a composite rigid airship or buoyant shuttle
within that polar vortex. Otherwise at roughly 65 to 70 km it’s only
as warm as 230 K (-43 C), with the upper nighttime thermosphere/
cryosphere pulled down to 100K (-173 C). Directly below those polar
vortex flows it could be a cool as 600 K on the surface, which of
course is still to hot for our naked Goldilocks.
So I really don’t understand how the sun alone can be to responsible
for all that surplus of surface heat, especially when a good 75% of
that solar energy is reflected away and otherwise fended off by those
thick and dense acidic clouds to begin with. If Earth had similar
thick and acidic clouds of 100% coverage, we’d be freezing to death
even in the tropics (especially cold if we didn’t have the 2e20 N/sec
worth of tidal modulation from our terrifically massive and nearby
moon). The radioactive fissions within Venus must be considerable,
along with the thinner crust than Earth must be the primary
contributing source of all that surface heat and active geothermal
vents that has to replenish its atmosphere.
Besides the near 15 m/s vortex that’s progressing to spiral inward and
spin faster from those upper 60+ km cryogenic layers of extreme cold
that’s being drawn down to the 600+ K hot surface near each pole
(inducing one hell of a downdraft and likely sustaining dual polar
tornados that wind energy wise should be worth at least a few TW
each), plus the 15 km of added cloud-top elevation by day at the
equator of reaching nearly 75 km, there’s actually lots of other
interesting ESA obtained science pertaining to the planet Venus:
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=48598
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=39432
Like all natural and/or renewable energy that doesn’t have to get
utilized, just like we do not utilize 99.9999999% (not even a
billionth) of the easily accessible solar energy, as well as we never
utilize the terrific potential energy from radon gas or even from the
local helium and He3 are each elements that we simply vent and/or
waste along with a great deal of CH4 and H2 leakage, as well as via
wellhead flaring and blowouts that includes CO and otherwise creating
loads of CO2, NOx plus multiple other toxic carcinogens as artificial
soot that becomes acidic in the damp atmosphere and otherwise creates
global dimming because, most of us are either not smart enough or
simply don’t care. So there’s no good reason to perceive that even
the smartest of us humans will care about the raw thermodynamics and
those terrific atmospheric pressure differentials of Venus, not to
mention the 10% less gravity and 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy that I believe is
actually worth more by season of nighttime and otherwise pretty hard
to ignore because rigid airships made of iron could float in that
terrific atmospheric soup.
My own investigative research and deductive observationology
interpretations about the “Guth Venus” area, that has numerous
artificial looking items of considerable geometric size to offer, by
which to all known and peer accepted forms of conventional planet
geology and erosion expertise can not be created naturally (unless
those laws of physics work differently on Venus), is just another
silver platter of food for thought.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
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On Feb 19, 2:59 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Off-world mining is all about insuring future public sector jobs and
global prosperity. The matter of other things being discovered along
the way is just all that much better, and a given.
It seems failsafe reliability always has a good place in history,
whereas fly-by-rocket global polluters that utilize monstrous
polluting SRBs and shuttle death-traps are not really necessary.
I'm certain if a TLI of 96 tonnes, GSO of 143 tonnes (250 tonnes LEO)
worth of payload deployment capability were offered by the Saturn-VI,
that others would find a practical use for that sort of cost-effective
and environmentally friendly heavy lift, just like finding a use for
my LSE-CM/ISS as our OASIS outpost/gateway and of course the use of
those lunar space elevators should not come as any surprise.
Utilizing the zero delta-V of our Earth-moon L1(Selene L1) seems near
ideal for all sorts of reasons (including somewhat increased
payloads), especially if those payloads are in no special hurry and
thereby solar powered ion thrusters can be utilized for gradually
accomplishing the TLI phase that only has to arrive at near zero m/
sec, and standby for either their optional lunar orbit or their return-
to-Earth for GSO or polar orbital injection phase. Though obviously
many of you with insured public-funded jobs and terrific benefits, as
well as those oligarch/Rothschild types would have problems with all
of that, and then some.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of area in question:
global prosperity. The matter of other things being discovered along
the way is just all that much better, and a given.
It seems failsafe reliability always has a good place in history,
whereas fly-by-rocket global polluters that utilize monstrous
polluting SRBs and shuttle death-traps are not really necessary.
I'm certain if a TLI of 96 tonnes, GSO of 143 tonnes (250 tonnes LEO)
worth of payload deployment capability were offered by the Saturn-VI,
that others would find a practical use for that sort of cost-effective
and environmentally friendly heavy lift, just like finding a use for
my LSE-CM/ISS as our OASIS outpost/gateway and of course the use of
those lunar space elevators should not come as any surprise.
Utilizing the zero delta-V of our Earth-moon L1(Selene L1) seems near
ideal for all sorts of reasons (including somewhat increased
payloads), especially if those payloads are in no special hurry and
thereby solar powered ion thrusters can be utilized for gradually
accomplishing the TLI phase that only has to arrive at near zero m/
sec, and standby for either their optional lunar orbit or their return-
to-Earth for GSO or polar orbital injection phase. Though obviously
many of you with insured public-funded jobs and terrific benefits, as
well as those oligarch/Rothschild types would have problems with all
of that, and then some.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
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On Feb 19, 2:59 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
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The extremely nearby Venus is simply not technically too hot or even
too nasty, that is unless our Goldilocks is naked and dumb as a post.
“We're ignorant of life in the universe. We only have one planet that
serves as an example and in science it's not good to derive
information from a sample size of one.” / David Grinspoon
Apparently, we’re also a touch ignorant of the most basic and
fundamental laws and the sorts of environmental conditions of physical
parameters that’ll sustain a technically advanced form of life, as
well as snookered and dumbfounded worse yet at admitting as to where
we’ve been lead down the wrong mainstream path(s) for decades.
In the past, I’ve offered my honestly deductive interpretations as to
the observationology of what interprets as though the planet Venus
having large-scale artificial considerations, or simply that of
hosting intelligent infrastructure as rather substantial and nicely
reveled within a certain high-quality radar image of this very proto
Earth like surface. In much the same analogy as it’ll demand applied
technology for us humans to visit and stay on Mars, so will it be the
case with exploring and surviving Venus. Fortunately, Venus offers
unlimited local energy and it has those ample teratonnes of water
within those thick and acidic clouds, as providing two of the most
essential elements (O2 and H2O), each of which are sorely lacking or
kind of minimal on Mars.
Now what’s needed is your best deductive applied reasoning and
deductive utilized logic, as to further researching by the best
available methods, on behalf of our better understanding such
intelligent other life as having managed to exist/coexist or otherwise
having survived this mostly geothermally forced environment.
Perpetual denial, evidence exclusion and/or mainstream nayism isn’t
any part of this request, although many that continually reside within
this public Usenet/newsgroup have clearly made such topic/author
stalking and their perpetual duties of bashings others and imposed
banishment upon any such notions of accommodating other life outside
of Earth, as a high priority part of their faith-based or pretend-
Atheist cabal/cartel/mafia agenda, as though it’s their public policy
and sworn to death duty of insisting that all such off-world locations
must interpret as merely inert eye-candy, that can’t possibly have
accommodated or having sustained other life of any kind, and so why
should we bother.
If the mostly public-funded community of such negative mindset folks
are of those you have to live with, are those of that very same
mainstream intellectual cabal/cartel, there’s little point in changing
your K12 cultivated frame of future actions that’ll most likely have
to follow the failsafe mainstream policy of perpetual denials,
evidence exclusions and otherwise offering as much topic/author
bashing and/or banishment as you and others of your closed mindset
kind can possibly muster. Since it’s hard to hide the true meaning or
identity of yourself behind words, perhaps it’s best if you don’t even
bother yourself, because I’ll likely expose your true intentions and
make it very clear as to what your motives amount to are of little
more or less worthy of intellectual treason.
Even though mainstream religions seemingly want little or nothing to
do with the mere thoughts of intelligent other life residing so
nearby, whereas they usually prefer to hide themselves as pretend-
Atheists or devout Republicans on some kind of holy grail quest or Old
Testament approved Jihad, so that they can accomplish their killer bee
like swarm of uncivil service policy enforcement that’ll support their
topic/author stalking and bashings for all they can muster, and
usually it’s without a speck of remorse for any of their actions or
consequences.
Or we could put all of that silliness aside and just focus our best
talent and resources upon the positive, by moving forward in spite of
such mainstream opposition.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of area in question:
too nasty, that is unless our Goldilocks is naked and dumb as a post.
“We're ignorant of life in the universe. We only have one planet that
serves as an example and in science it's not good to derive
information from a sample size of one.” / David Grinspoon
Apparently, we’re also a touch ignorant of the most basic and
fundamental laws and the sorts of environmental conditions of physical
parameters that’ll sustain a technically advanced form of life, as
well as snookered and dumbfounded worse yet at admitting as to where
we’ve been lead down the wrong mainstream path(s) for decades.
In the past, I’ve offered my honestly deductive interpretations as to
the observationology of what interprets as though the planet Venus
having large-scale artificial considerations, or simply that of
hosting intelligent infrastructure as rather substantial and nicely
reveled within a certain high-quality radar image of this very proto
Earth like surface. In much the same analogy as it’ll demand applied
technology for us humans to visit and stay on Mars, so will it be the
case with exploring and surviving Venus. Fortunately, Venus offers
unlimited local energy and it has those ample teratonnes of water
within those thick and acidic clouds, as providing two of the most
essential elements (O2 and H2O), each of which are sorely lacking or
kind of minimal on Mars.
Now what’s needed is your best deductive applied reasoning and
deductive utilized logic, as to further researching by the best
available methods, on behalf of our better understanding such
intelligent other life as having managed to exist/coexist or otherwise
having survived this mostly geothermally forced environment.
Perpetual denial, evidence exclusion and/or mainstream nayism isn’t
any part of this request, although many that continually reside within
this public Usenet/newsgroup have clearly made such topic/author
stalking and their perpetual duties of bashings others and imposed
banishment upon any such notions of accommodating other life outside
of Earth, as a high priority part of their faith-based or pretend-
Atheist cabal/cartel/mafia agenda, as though it’s their public policy
and sworn to death duty of insisting that all such off-world locations
must interpret as merely inert eye-candy, that can’t possibly have
accommodated or having sustained other life of any kind, and so why
should we bother.
If the mostly public-funded community of such negative mindset folks
are of those you have to live with, are those of that very same
mainstream intellectual cabal/cartel, there’s little point in changing
your K12 cultivated frame of future actions that’ll most likely have
to follow the failsafe mainstream policy of perpetual denials,
evidence exclusions and otherwise offering as much topic/author
bashing and/or banishment as you and others of your closed mindset
kind can possibly muster. Since it’s hard to hide the true meaning or
identity of yourself behind words, perhaps it’s best if you don’t even
bother yourself, because I’ll likely expose your true intentions and
make it very clear as to what your motives amount to are of little
more or less worthy of intellectual treason.
Even though mainstream religions seemingly want little or nothing to
do with the mere thoughts of intelligent other life residing so
nearby, whereas they usually prefer to hide themselves as pretend-
Atheists or devout Republicans on some kind of holy grail quest or Old
Testament approved Jihad, so that they can accomplish their killer bee
like swarm of uncivil service policy enforcement that’ll support their
topic/author stalking and bashings for all they can muster, and
usually it’s without a speck of remorse for any of their actions or
consequences.
Or we could put all of that silliness aside and just focus our best
talent and resources upon the positive, by moving forward in spite of
such mainstream opposition.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
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On Feb 19, 2:59 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
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I was wrong, there’s not 5e12 wandering/rogue planets in our galaxy.
There’s 5e16 of them.
"Rogue planets are rambling through galaxy"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46517776/ns/technology_and_science-space/#.T0g7D3nB2fs
“”These " nomad planets " could be surprisingly common in our
bustling galaxy, according to researchers at the Kavli Institute for
Particle Astrophysics and Cosmology (KIPAC), a joint institute of
Stanford University and the SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory. The
study predicts that there may be 100,000 times more of these
wandering, homeless planets than stars in the Milky Way.””
My bad.
So, in addition to all those regular exoplanets in viable solar
systems that are in the vast majority norm, there's another 5e16 to
pick from.
How about taking another perfectly deductive look-see at the nearest
planet that gets nearly within 100 LD of us. Thrust me, it’s serious
Earth like nifty, it has terrific mountainous terrain, lots of active
geology and no shortage of elements or renewable energy. It has
roughly 10% less gravity and its atmosphere offers 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy
(72 kg on Earth only weighs 65 kg on Venus). What’s not to like?
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
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There’s 5e16 of them.
"Rogue planets are rambling through galaxy"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46517776/ns/technology_and_science-space/#.T0g7D3nB2fs
“”These " nomad planets " could be surprisingly common in our
bustling galaxy, according to researchers at the Kavli Institute for
Particle Astrophysics and Cosmology (KIPAC), a joint institute of
Stanford University and the SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory. The
study predicts that there may be 100,000 times more of these
wandering, homeless planets than stars in the Milky Way.””
My bad.
So, in addition to all those regular exoplanets in viable solar
systems that are in the vast majority norm, there's another 5e16 to
pick from.
How about taking another perfectly deductive look-see at the nearest
planet that gets nearly within 100 LD of us. Thrust me, it’s serious
Earth like nifty, it has terrific mountainous terrain, lots of active
geology and no shortage of elements or renewable energy. It has
roughly 10% less gravity and its atmosphere offers 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy
(72 kg on Earth only weighs 65 kg on Venus). What’s not to like?
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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On Feb 19, 2:59 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
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I was wrong, there’s not 5e12 wandering/rogue planets in our galaxy.
There’s 5e16 of them.
"Rogue planets are rambling through galaxy"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46517776/ns/technology_and_science-space/#.T0g7D3nB2fs
“”These " nomad planets " could be surprisingly common in our
bustling galaxy, according to researchers at the Kavli Institute for
Particle Astrophysics and Cosmology (KIPAC), a joint institute of
Stanford University and the SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory. The
study predicts that there may be 100,000 times more of these
wandering, homeless planets than stars in the Milky Way.””
My bad.
So, in addition to all those regular exoplanets in viable solar
systems that are in the vast majority norm, there's another 5e16 to
pick from. In other words, not all star twinkle is caused only by
There’s 5e16 of them.
"Rogue planets are rambling through galaxy"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46517776/ns/technology_and_science-space/#.T0g7D3nB2fs
“”These " nomad planets " could be surprisingly common in our
bustling galaxy, according to researchers at the Kavli Institute for
Particle Astrophysics and Cosmology (KIPAC), a joint institute of
Stanford University and the SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory. The
study predicts that there may be 100,000 times more of these
wandering, homeless planets than stars in the Milky Way.””
My bad.
So, in addition to all those regular exoplanets in viable solar
systems that are in the vast majority norm, there's another 5e16 to
atmospherics.
How about we take another perfectly deductive look-see at the nearest
planet that gets nearly within 100 LD of us. Thrust me, it’s
seriously Earth like nifty, it has terrific mountainous terrain, lots
of active geology and no shortage of elements or renewable energy. It
has roughly 10% less gravity and its atmosphere offers 65+ kg/m3
buoyancy (72 kg on Earth only weighs 65 kg on Venus). What’s not to
like?
has roughly 10% less gravity and its atmosphere offers 65+ kg/m3
buoyancy (72 kg on Earth only weighs 65 kg on Venus). What’s not to
like?
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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On Feb 19, 2:59 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 25, 2012, 9:41:44 AM2/25/12
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Oops, we just picked up another 5e16 exoplanets via micro-lensing.
Apparently my previous swag as to the number of spent solar systems
was way too conservative, in addition to a few other methods of our
galaxy creating spare planets.
I was wrong, there’s not 5e12 wandering/rogue planets in our galaxy.
There’s 5e16 "Rogue planets are rambling through galaxy"
planet detections, not to mention that our galaxy could have a hell of
a lot more than 5e11 stars when we include red dwarfs.
As long as we can’t possibly do anything with an exoplanet, not even
if it were proven as offering an ideal Eden and Goldilocks approved
destination, so how about we take another perfectly deductive look-see
at the nearest planet that gets nearly within 100 LD of us (more like
110 LD using 384,400 km). Thrust me, it’s seriously close and it’s
quite Earth like nifty, because it has terrific mountainous terrain,
lots of active atmospherics and geology with no apparent shortage of
plus a fully sterilized cleanup within an equally short period of time
(all free of charge, so to speak). What’s not to like?
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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Apparently my previous swag as to the number of spent solar systems
was way too conservative, in addition to a few other methods of our
galaxy creating spare planets.
I was wrong, there’s not 5e12 wandering/rogue planets in our galaxy.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46517776/ns/technology_and_science-space/#.T0g7D3nB2fs
““These " nomad planets " could be surprisingly common in our
bustling galaxy, according to researchers at the Kavli Institute for
Particle Astrophysics and Cosmology (KIPAC), a joint institute of
Stanford University and the SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory. The
study predicts that there may be 100,000 times more of these
wandering, homeless planets than stars in the Milky Way.””
My bad.
So, in addition to all those regular exoplanets in viable solar
systems that are in the vast majority norm, there's another 5e16 to
pick from. In other words, not all star twinkle is caused only by
atmospherics. Micro-lensing is a newer method of rogue/wandering
““These " nomad planets " could be surprisingly common in our
bustling galaxy, according to researchers at the Kavli Institute for
Particle Astrophysics and Cosmology (KIPAC), a joint institute of
Stanford University and the SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory. The
study predicts that there may be 100,000 times more of these
wandering, homeless planets than stars in the Milky Way.””
My bad.
So, in addition to all those regular exoplanets in viable solar
systems that are in the vast majority norm, there's another 5e16 to
pick from. In other words, not all star twinkle is caused only by
planet detections, not to mention that our galaxy could have a hell of
a lot more than 5e11 stars when we include red dwarfs.
As long as we can’t possibly do anything with an exoplanet, not even
if it were proven as offering an ideal Eden and Goldilocks approved
destination, so how about we take another perfectly deductive look-see
at the nearest planet that gets nearly within 100 LD of us (more like
110 LD using 384,400 km). Thrust me, it’s seriously close and it’s
quite Earth like nifty, because it has terrific mountainous terrain,
lots of active atmospherics and geology with no apparent shortage of
elements or renewable energy. It has roughly 10% less gravity and its
atmosphere offers 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy (72 kg on Earth only weighs 65 kg
on Venus). We could cook our frozen pizzas in a few seconds flat,
atmosphere offers 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy (72 kg on Earth only weighs 65 kg
plus a fully sterilized cleanup within an equally short period of time
(all free of charge, so to speak). What’s not to like?
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus” at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://groups.google.com/groups/search
http://translate.google.com/#
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On Feb 19, 2:59 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
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