Dealey Plaza -- Dallas, Texas

[claviger]

Investigation of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: Hearings
... By United States. Warren Commission

DEALEY PLAZA -- DALLAS, TEXAS

1. TEXAS SCHOOL BOOK DEPOSITORY
2. DAL-TEX BUILDING
3. DALLAS COUNTY RECORDS BUILDING
4. DALLAS COUNTY CRIMINAL COURTS BUILDING
5. OLD COURTHOUSE
6. NEELEY BRYAN HOUSE
7. DALLAS COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTER
8. UNITED STATES POST OFFICE BUILDING
9. PERGOLAS
10. PERISTYLES AND REFLECTING POOLS
11. RAILROAD OVERPASS (TRIPLE UNDERPASS)

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PLACE: Dealey Plaza
Dallas, Texas

OWNERSHIP: City of Dallas, Texas

HISTORICAL BACKGROUND: This area (3.07 acres), called "The Front Door of
Dallas," was acquired by the City of Dallas for construction of the Triple
Underpass at Commerce, Elm, and Main Streets. The property was transferred
to the Park Board for maintenance purposes in 1936. Named Dealey Plaza,
September 19, 1935 (city minutes, City of Dallas, Dallas, Texas, Volume 8,
page 547) in honor of George B. Dealey, Publisher of the Dallas News and
long outstanding in Dallas civic affairs, the Triple Underpass was
officially opened on Friday afternoon, May 1, 1936. On March 2, 1940,
funds were appropriated to carry out improvements consisting of a program
for complete re-landscaping and new structures.

PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: Dealey Plaza focalizes on incoming and outgoing
traffic between downtown Dallas and the major highway systems to the
north, west, and south of the city. The Plaza is bounded on the north by
Elm Street, on the east by Houston Street, and on the south by Commerce
Street, and on the west by the Triple Underpass.

The width of each concrete roadway through the plaza is 40 feet. The Main
Street roadway divides the Plaza and handles both eastbound and westbound
traffic. The Elm Street roadway flows traffic oneway to the west from Elm
Street, sweeping southwesterly toward the Triple Underpass. The Commerce
Street roadway flows traffic one way eastward in a southeasterly direction
from the Triple Underpass to Commerce Street. The declining angle, east to
west, of the entire Plaza area is approximately 3 degrees or about a
1-foot drop per 20 linear feet. The distance from Houston street to the
Underpass is approximately 495 feet by way of Elm and Commerce Streets.
When traveling by way of Main Street, this distance is 425 feet. The road
level at the Triple Underpass is approximately 24 feet lower than at the
Houston street level. Sidewalks, 10 feet wide, exist on the north side of
the Elm Street roadway, on the west side of Houston Street and on the
south side of the Commerce Street roadway.

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Concrete pergolas are located on the northwest and southwest corners of
the Plaza overlooking the roadways and lawn areas. Concrete peristyles,
pylons and reflecting pools are located on the northeast and southeast
corners of the plaza. Evergreen shrubs, trees and flower borders are
situated in the Plaza area.

Steel and masonry structures enclose the plaza. At the northeast corner is
the Texas School Book Depository and Dal-Tex Buildings rise to height of
94 feet and 110 feet respectively. On the plaza's east side stand the
Dallas County Records Building, 93 feet high; the Dallas County Criminal
Courts Building, 124 feet high; the Old Court House, 73 feet high; the
Neeley Bryan House, 12 feet high; and the 179-foot-high steel
superstructure for the Dallas County Government Center. On the south side
of the Plaza, the United States Post Office Building rises to a height of
114 feet, and to the west is the railroad right-of-way, which passes over
the triple roadways at a height of 23 feet, 4 inches.


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[claviger]

What is amazing about this information is the Federal Government came into
Dallas and did a through job of asking all the right questions and even
knew the height of every building in and around Dealey Plaza.

By contrast a City of Dallas Municipal Judge did not know and was not able
to ascertain the historic fact Dealey Plaza belonged to the City of Dallas
and made a Judicial ruling based on gross ignorance and gross negligence.
If the Feds could find this information why not a local sitting Judge who
lives in Dallas County? This incredible blunder was only surpassed by the
fact a Federal Appeals Court agreed with the idiot Municipal Judge! Some
of this idiocy was finally overturned by a higher court but this
blunderama drama never should have happened.

The most incredible stupidity of all, City of Dallas Legal Department was
not able to confirm the fact that historic Dealey Plaza was City of Dallas
Property, but the Feds did confirm that fact beyond a doubt!!! This mind
blowing dumbassary became epidemic in the City of Dallas in 2010 and
continues to this day. The City finally caved in to the local endemic
stupidity and accepted a humiliating compromise that Big D could have a
Mayor and Little D can too where Dealey Plaza can have a grotty Mayor pro
tem who might be there longer than the other guy!

[Anthony Marsh]

Is this a joke or a hoax? The WC was still using the West map.
As I always say: Close enough for government work.

[Piotr Mancini]

Clav:

You are correctly referring to the public land, the area with sidewalks,
hydrants, streets, railroads, bridges, etc.

At JFK Numbers, our main interest at the moment is the architectural
details about the building.

Please notice Parcel ID 000010001301A0000:

https://maps.dcad.org/prd/dpm/?parcelid=000010001301A0000

(1) It was know as "the Carraway Byrd Building", later owned by D.
Harold Byrd, a relative of the Lady.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_School_Book_Depository

(2) In 1937, the building was renamed the Perfection-Aire Building for
the new air-conditioning business that leased it.

https://www.jfk.org/the-assassination/history-of-the-texas-school-book-depository/

(3) Later known as "Texas School Book Depository" building, leased by
the following publishers of school books:

http://www.jfknumbers.org/~ramon/misc/Photo-vs-Rendering-by-Ramons-PC.jpg

(4) Today it is owned by the COUNTY (not the city) of Dallas and has
been renamed "Dallas County Administration Building".

Those curious about my 5-year odyssey to obtain the blueprints, to be used
in the ONLY study ever that has those plans, see these two threads:

"It is time for everybody to pray"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.assassination.jfk/7itnIHuWsiI/YeqitUZ8CAAJ

and its follow-up debate:

"Building blueprints can generally be obtained by almost anyone."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.assassination.jfk/mp_0nNicLYE/K63azkRHAQAJ

The only professionally made plans and 3D model are in my/your/our
webserver:

http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/full_building/Architectural_Model/

Our first video is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHb_1swWS5M&t=30s

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

[Anthony Marsh]

On 4/1/2020 4:04 PM, claviger wrote:
>
> What is amazing about this information is the Federal Government came into
> Dallas and did a through job of asking all the right questions and even
> knew the height of every building in and around Dealey Plaza.
>

WTF are you talking about? Who? Mobody did nothing. The FBI relied on
the West map.

> By contrast a City of Dallas Municipal Judge did not know and was not able
> to ascertain the historic fact Dealey Plaza belonged to the City of Dallas
> and made a Judicial ruling based on gross ignorance and gross negligence.

Close enough for government work. Did you ever look at the earliest maps
from when they built it? No, you might get your fingers dirty.

> If the Feds could find this information why not a local sitting Judge who
> lives in Dallas County? This incredible blunder was only surpassed by the

Why the Hell would a judge be interested in facts? Are you insane?

[Anthony Marsh]

On 3/31/2020 7:42 PM, claviger wrote:
>

well, good for you. You finally found the WC files online.
You had to because you never could find the original books.