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George J. Dance
Mar 28, 2021, 3:05:16 PM3/28/21
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Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
the winds of this northern March —
blow the bark from the trees
the soil from the field
the hair from the heads of
girls, the shirts from the backs
[...]
https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
the winds of this northern March —
blow the bark from the trees
the soil from the field
the hair from the heads of
girls, the shirts from the backs
[...]
https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
Will Dockery
Mar 28, 2021, 9:04:42 PM3/28/21
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"It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/mXC-5dB8YuI/rOjBFX1XAgAJ
"Certainly his idea that "gibbberish" means "not written in complete sentences" is a non-starter when it comes to poetry, period. The grammatical units of poetry are lines and stanzas, not (as in prose) sentences and paragraphs..."
-George J. Dance
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Michael Pendragon
Mar 28, 2021, 10:10:03 PM3/28/21
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On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> >
> > the winds of this northern March —
> > blow the bark from the trees
> > the soil from the field
> > the hair from the heads of
> > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > [...]
> >
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
>
> "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
>
> WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
How is this not a sentence?
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> >
> > the winds of this northern March —
> > blow the bark from the trees
> > the soil from the field
> > the hair from the heads of
> > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > [...]
> >
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
>
> "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
>
> WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
"The winds flowing edge to edge, their clear edges meeting — the winds of this northern March — blow the bark from the trees the soil from the field the hair from the heads of girls, the shirts from the backs of the men, roofs from the houses, the cross from the church, clouds from the sky the fur from the faces of wild animals, crusts from scabby eyes, scales from the mind and husbands from wives."
You've no idea what is and is not a sentence, have you?
(Rhetorical question: don't bother answering.)
Michael Pendragon
“Since this is the say for that, and I doubt anyone else will strep up and state it.”
-- Will Dockery
Zod
Mar 28, 2021, 10:12:21 PM3/28/21
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On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-3, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > >
> > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > the soil from the field
> > > the hair from the heads of
> > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> >
> > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> >
> > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> How is this not xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > >
> > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > the soil from the field
> > > the hair from the heads of
> > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> >
> > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> >
> > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
Pendragon reads one poem by Williams and trie to be the know it all... ha ha ha....
Will Dockery
Mar 29, 2021, 1:31:34 AM3/29/21
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On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 10:10:03 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > >
> > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > the soil from the field
> > > the hair from the heads of
> > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> >
> > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> >
> > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> How is this not a sentence?
Nobody said William Carlos Willams never wrote a sentence, but he and others established that poetry is as George Dance put it:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > >
> > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > the soil from the field
> > > the hair from the heads of
> > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> >
> > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> >
> > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> How is this not a sentence?
"Certainly his idea that "gibbberish" means "not written in complete sentences" is a non-starter when it comes to poetry, period. The grammatical units of poetry are lines and stanzas, not (as in prose) sentences and paragraphs..."
-George J. Dance
Michael Pendragon
Mar 29, 2021, 8:27:30 AM3/29/21
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On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 1:31:34 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 10:10:03 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > >
> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > the soil from the field
> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > >
> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > >
> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> > How is this not a sentence?
> Nobody said William Carlos Willams never wrote a sentence, but he and others established that poetry is as George Dance put it:
Somebody [hint: Will Dockery] implied that "The Winds" was an example of WCW's use of incomplete sentences. It is no such thing.
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 10:10:03 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > >
> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > the soil from the field
> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > >
> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > >
> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> > How is this not a sentence?
> Nobody said William Carlos Willams never wrote a sentence, but he and others established that poetry is as George Dance put it:
The sad truth is that, try as you might, you are never going to find any successful poets who are as incapable of recognizing/composing complete sentences as yourself.
Michael Pendragon
“And this is my main beef with the "Christianity" that is overwhelmingly with us today... that Jesus was some kinda gay virgin nerd, rather than the Kickboxing Shaman (probably Warlock, too, judging from all the cool miracles he shot out when he was feeling frisky)”
-- Will Dockery, pontificating on Christianity.
W.Dockery
Mar 29, 2021, 9:36:03 AM3/29/21
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 1:31:34 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
>> > > >
>> > > > the winds of this northern March —
>> > > > blow the bark from the trees
>> > > > the soil from the field
>> > > > the hair from the heads of
>> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
>> > > > [...]
>> > > >
>> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
>> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
>> > >
>> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
>> > >
>> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
>
>> > How is this not a sentence?
>
>> Nobody said William Carlos Willams never wrote a sentence, but he and others established that poetry is as George Dance put it:
> Somebody [hint: Will Dockery] implied that "The Winds" was an example of WCW's use of incomplete sentences
No, I wasn't naming this poem specifically, but referring to WCW as a poet who did use sentence fragments in his poetry.
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 1:31:34 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
>> > > >
>> > > > the winds of this northern March —
>> > > > blow the bark from the trees
>> > > > the soil from the field
>> > > > the hair from the heads of
>> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
>> > > > [...]
>> > > >
>> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
>> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
>> > >
>> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
>> > >
>> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
>
>> > How is this not a sentence?
>
>> Nobody said William Carlos Willams never wrote a sentence, but he and others established that poetry is as George Dance put it:
> Somebody [hint: Will Dockery] implied that "The Winds" was an example of WCW's use of incomplete sentences
E.E. Cummings us another example.
Michael Pendragon
Mar 29, 2021, 9:53:46 AM3/29/21
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I'm aware of your need to pretend that your perceived incompetence is actually part of a literary tradition, but you'll need to post examples.
Michael Pendragon
“… the mixture here of almost psychopathic narcissism and pathological inability approaches being the only unique feature of the ‘poetry.’”
-- Dale Houstman summarizing Will Dockery’s “poetry.”
Will Dockery
Mar 29, 2021, 10:07:57 AM3/29/21
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On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:36:03 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 1:31:34 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > >> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > >> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > >> > > > the soil from the field
> > >> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > >> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > >> > > > [...]
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > >> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > >> > >
> > >> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> > >
> > >> > How is this not a sentence?
> > >
> > >> Nobody said William Carlos Willams never wrote a sentence, but he and others established that poetry is as George Dance put it:
> >
> > > Somebody [hint: Will Dockery] implied that "The Winds" was an example of WCW's use of incomplete sentences
> > No, I wasn't naming this poem specifically, but referring to WCW as a poet who did use sentence fragments in his poetry.
> >
> > E.E. Cummings us another example.
> Post proof
Okay, I'm on the mobile gizmo now so when I return to the office, I will.
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:36:03 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 1:31:34 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > >> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > >> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > >> > > > the soil from the field
> > >> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > >> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > >> > > > [...]
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > >> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > >> > >
> > >> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> > >
> > >> > How is this not a sentence?
> > >
> > >> Nobody said William Carlos Willams never wrote a sentence, but he and others established that poetry is as George Dance put it:
> >
> > > Somebody [hint: Will Dockery] implied that "The Winds" was an example of WCW's use of incomplete sentences
> > No, I wasn't naming this poem specifically, but referring to WCW as a poet who did use sentence fragments in his poetry.
> >
> > E.E. Cummings us another example.
> Post proof
:)
Will Dockery
Mar 29, 2021, 9:02:37 PM3/29/21
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On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:36:03 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > >> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > >> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > >> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > >> > > > the soil from the field
> > >> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > >> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > >> > > > [...]
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > >> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
<snip>
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:36:03 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > >> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > >> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > >> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > >> > > > the soil from the field
> > >> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > >> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > >> > > > [...]
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > >> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> actually part of a literary tradition, but you'll need to post examples
https://cyberleninka.org/article/n/774895
"Shirly Brice Heath characterizes William's poetry as "incomplete sentences, mixed genres, numerous openings of subgenres without closures of these, repetitious false starts, switches across topics within the midst of paragraphs, incomplete or unclear pronoun reference, incomplete references to other actual texts upon which this text depends, and direct dialogue cited without indication of speaker" (1985: 287). Such qualities are those of oral discourse rebelling against the written discourse. The rebelling of informal against the formal in literature and poetry goes parallel with the rebellion of the American youth against the old establishment imposed on America by the colonial presence of Britain..."
"Gee, in 1985, refers to Williams' definition of universal art and defines it as "the authentic rendering of the object in all its immediacy and particularity" (375). He creates a link between Russian formalist aesthetics and Williams' formulation of great art. Moore, in 1986, holds that the self conscious ungrammaticality in Williams' writings, as well as his preference for the American speech make sense in a context where scholastic philosophy and logic came under severe attacks. Menzin, in 2014, analyses Williams' poetry and prose and holds that the cubist images and broken pieces in William's writings metaphor the notion of disintegration and loss of coherence in the modern world..."
More later, I have to go run a few errands.
ME
Mar 29, 2021, 9:07:11 PM3/29/21
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You are really pathetic.
Michael Pendragon
Mar 29, 2021, 9:21:49 PM3/29/21
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I am not asking you to copy/paste wikipedia articles.
I am asking you to post a poem by WCW that contains incomplete sentences.
Will Dockery
Mar 29, 2021, 9:28:01 PM3/29/21
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Michael Pendragon
Mar 29, 2021, 9:28:47 PM3/29/21
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It was also not an example of WCW's poetry.
Zod
Mar 29, 2021, 10:06:29 PM3/29/21
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Will Dockery
Mar 30, 2021, 1:13:02 AM3/30/21
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On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:28:47 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:28:01 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:28:01 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:21:49 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > > >> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > > > >> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > > > >> > > > the soil from the field
> > > > > > >> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > > > >> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > > > >> > > > [...]
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > > > > >> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > actually part of a literary tradition, but you'll need to post examples
> > > > Here, for starters:
> > > >
> > > > https://cyberleninka.org/article/n/774895
> > > >
> > > > "Shirly Brice Heath characterizes William's poetry as "incomplete sentences, mixed genres, numerous openings of subgenres without closures of these, repetitious false starts, switches across topics within the midst of paragraphs, incomplete or unclear pronoun reference, incomplete references to other actual texts upon which this text depends, and direct dialogue cited without indication of speaker" (1985: 287). Such qualities are those of oral discourse rebelling against the written discourse. The rebelling of informal against the formal in literature and poetry goes parallel with the rebellion of the American youth against the old establishment imposed on America by the colonial presence of Britain..."
> > > >
> > > > "Gee, in 1985, refers to Williams' definition of universal art and defines it as "the authentic rendering of the object in all its immediacy and particularity" (375). He creates a link between Russian formalist aesthetics and Williams' formulation of great art. Moore, in 1986, holds that the self conscious ungrammaticality in Williams' writings, as well as his preference for the American speech make sense in a context where scholastic philosophy and logic came under severe attacks. Menzin, in 2014, analyses Williams' poetry and prose and holds that the cubist images and broken pieces in William's writings metaphor the notion of disintegration and loss of coherence in the modern world..."
> > > >
> > > > More later, I have to go run a few errands.
> > > No, Will.
> > >
> > > I am not asking you to copy/paste wikipedia articles.
> > >
> > > I am asking you to post a poem by WCW that contains incomplete sentences.
>
> > That was not a Wikipedia article.
>
> Who cares?
I thought it was pretty interesting.
>
> > > > > > >> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > > >> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > > > >> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > > > >> > > > the soil from the field
> > > > > > >> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > > > >> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > > > >> > > > [...]
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > > > > >> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > actually part of a literary tradition, but you'll need to post examples
> > > > Here, for starters:
> > > >
> > > > https://cyberleninka.org/article/n/774895
> > > >
> > > > "Shirly Brice Heath characterizes William's poetry as "incomplete sentences, mixed genres, numerous openings of subgenres without closures of these, repetitious false starts, switches across topics within the midst of paragraphs, incomplete or unclear pronoun reference, incomplete references to other actual texts upon which this text depends, and direct dialogue cited without indication of speaker" (1985: 287). Such qualities are those of oral discourse rebelling against the written discourse. The rebelling of informal against the formal in literature and poetry goes parallel with the rebellion of the American youth against the old establishment imposed on America by the colonial presence of Britain..."
> > > >
> > > > "Gee, in 1985, refers to Williams' definition of universal art and defines it as "the authentic rendering of the object in all its immediacy and particularity" (375). He creates a link between Russian formalist aesthetics and Williams' formulation of great art. Moore, in 1986, holds that the self conscious ungrammaticality in Williams' writings, as well as his preference for the American speech make sense in a context where scholastic philosophy and logic came under severe attacks. Menzin, in 2014, analyses Williams' poetry and prose and holds that the cubist images and broken pieces in William's writings metaphor the notion of disintegration and loss of coherence in the modern world..."
> > > >
> > > > More later, I have to go run a few errands.
> > > No, Will.
> > >
> > > I am not asking you to copy/paste wikipedia articles.
> > >
> > > I am asking you to post a poem by WCW that contains incomplete sentences.
>
> > That was not a Wikipedia article.
>
> Who cares?
> It was also not an example of WCW's poetry.
:)
Will Dockery
Mar 30, 2021, 6:20:59 AM3/30/21
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On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:28:47 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:28:01 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:28:01 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:21:49 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > > >> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > > > >> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > > > >> > > > the soil from the field
> > > > > > >> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > > > >> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > > > >> > > > [...]
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > > > > >> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > actually part of a literary tradition, but you'll need to post examples
> > > > Here, for starters:
> > > >
> > > > https://cyberleninka.org/article/n/774895
> > > >
> > > > "Shirly Brice Heath characterizes William's poetry as "incomplete sentences, mixed genres, numerous openings of subgenres without closures of these, repetitious false starts, switches across topics within the midst of paragraphs, incomplete or unclear pronoun reference, incomplete references to other actual texts upon which this text depends, and direct dialogue cited without indication of speaker" (1985: 287). Such qualities are those of oral discourse rebelling against the written discourse. The rebelling of informal against the formal in literature and poetry goes parallel with the rebellion of the American youth against the old establishment imposed on America by the colonial presence of Britain..."
> > > >
> > > > "Gee, in 1985, refers to Williams' definition of universal art and defines it as "the authentic rendering of the object in all its immediacy and particularity" (375). He creates a link between Russian formalist aesthetics and Williams' formulation of great art. Moore, in 1986, holds that the self conscious ungrammaticality in Williams' writings, as well as his preference for the American speech make sense in a context where scholastic philosophy and logic came under severe attacks. Menzin, in 2014, analyses Williams' poetry and prose and holds that the cubist images and broken pieces in William's writings metaphor the notion of disintegration and loss of coherence in the modern world..."
>
>
> > > > > > >> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > > >> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > > > >> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > > > >> > > > the soil from the field
> > > > > > >> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > > > >> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > > > >> > > > [...]
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > > > > >> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > actually part of a literary tradition, but you'll need to post examples
> > > > Here, for starters:
> > > >
> > > > https://cyberleninka.org/article/n/774895
> > > >
> > > > "Shirly Brice Heath characterizes William's poetry as "incomplete sentences, mixed genres, numerous openings of subgenres without closures of these, repetitious false starts, switches across topics within the midst of paragraphs, incomplete or unclear pronoun reference, incomplete references to other actual texts upon which this text depends, and direct dialogue cited without indication of speaker" (1985: 287). Such qualities are those of oral discourse rebelling against the written discourse. The rebelling of informal against the formal in literature and poetry goes parallel with the rebellion of the American youth against the old establishment imposed on America by the colonial presence of Britain..."
> > > >
> > > > "Gee, in 1985, refers to Williams' definition of universal art and defines it as "the authentic rendering of the object in all its immediacy and particularity" (375). He creates a link between Russian formalist aesthetics and Williams' formulation of great art. Moore, in 1986, holds that the self conscious ungrammaticality in Williams' writings, as well as his preference for the American speech make sense in a context where scholastic philosophy and logic came under severe attacks. Menzin, in 2014, analyses Williams' poetry and prose and holds that the cubist images and broken pieces in William's writings metaphor the notion of disintegration and loss of coherence in the modern world..."
>
> I am asking you to post a poem by WCW that contains incomplete sentences
Try "Landscape with the Fall of Icarus":
https://poets.org/poem/landscape-fall-icarus
Michael Pendragon
Mar 30, 2021, 8:46:36 AM3/30/21
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Do you actually read any of the poems or articles you post links to?
Or are you simply unable to recognize a proper sentence when you see one?
"According to Brueghel, when Icarus fell it was spring. A farmer was ploughing his field. The whole pageantry of the year was awake -- tingling near the edge of the sea -- concerned with itself sweating in the sun that melted the wings' wax. Unsignificantly, off the coast there was a splash, quite unnoticed. This was Icarus drowning."
Michael Pendragon
“Sure, I can accept it, and also identify it as a lie and misrepresentation”
-- Will Dockery, unsuccessfully denying that he’s in denial.
W.Dockery
Mar 30, 2021, 11:34:04 AM3/30/21
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Okay, I expected you would dispute any poem by WCW I posted, but I liked the Icarus poem and decided to use it.
What do you think of the poem, Pendragon?
What do you think of the poem, Pendragon?
Michael Pendragon
Mar 30, 2021, 11:47:18 AM3/30/21
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On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 11:34:04 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Okay, I expected you would dispute any poem by WCW I posted, but I liked the Icarus poem and decided to use it.
This isn't about disputation, Will. It's about complete vs incomplete sentences.
> Okay, I expected you would dispute any poem by WCW I posted, but I liked the Icarus poem and decided to use it.
If you don't know the difference, you need to admit that (to yourself) and learn.
> What do you think of the poem, Pendragon?
As a poem, it's just so much chopped prose.
W.Dockery
Mar 30, 2021, 12:44:05 PM3/30/21
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I'm actually glad the poem passes your criteria for sentences, as this will help me avoid that judgement from you in future poems.
Michael Pendragon
Mar 30, 2021, 12:52:27 PM3/30/21
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Will Dockery
Mar 30, 2021, 1:09:42 PM3/30/21
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Zod
Mar 30, 2021, 10:32:00 PM3/30/21
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Will Dockery
Mar 31, 2021, 1:34:20 PM3/31/21
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> “Since this is the say for that, and I doubt anyone else will step up and state it.”
> -- Will Dockery
(Insert the quote where Michael Pendragon scolds spelling lamers and typo nitpickers.)
Michael Pendragon
Mar 31, 2021, 2:38:58 PM3/31/21
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But why are you trying to pick a fight over a sig.file?
It's a direct quote from you. If you get embarrassed by typos, spelling and grammatical errors, you should proofread you messages prior to posting them.
W.Dockery
Mar 31, 2021, 4:31:05 PM3/31/21
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Your ongoing hypocrisy is unbecoming.
Michael Pendragon
Mar 31, 2021, 9:46:01 PM3/31/21
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There is a world of difference between pointing out a spelling error when engaged in an argument (especially when it's in lieu of addressing your opponent's point) and quoting a humorous error in a sig.file.
The former is a desperate (and childishly transparent) attempt to shift the focus of an argument when bested. The latter is a means of adding humor to one's post.
Zod
Mar 31, 2021, 10:25:00 PM3/31/21
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W.Dockery
Apr 1, 2021, 11:06:04 AM4/1/21
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 4:31:05 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
>> >> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> >> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > the winds of this northern March —
>> >> > > > blow the bark from the trees
>> >> > > > the soil from the field
>> >> > > > the hair from the heads of
>> >> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
>> >> > > > [...]
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
>> >> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
>> >> > >
>> >> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
>> >> > How is this not a sentence?
>> >> >
>> >> > "The winds flowing edge to edge, their clear edges meeting — the winds of this northern March — blow the bark from the trees the soil from the field the hair from the heads of girls, the shirts from the backs of the men, roofs from the houses, the cross from the church, clouds from the sky the fur from the faces of wild animals, crusts from scabby eyes, scales from the mind and husbands from wives."
>> >> >
>> >> > Michael Pendragon
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 4:31:05 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
>> >> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> >> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > the winds of this northern March —
>> >> > > > blow the bark from the trees
>> >> > > > the soil from the field
>> >> > > > the hair from the heads of
>> >> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
>> >> > > > [...]
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
>> >> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
>> >> > >
>> >> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
>> >> > How is this not a sentence?
>> >> >
>> >> > "The winds flowing edge to edge, their clear edges meeting — the winds of this northern March — blow the bark from the trees the soil from the field the hair from the heads of girls, the shirts from the backs of the men, roofs from the houses, the cross from the church, clouds from the sky the fur from the faces of wild animals, crusts from scabby eyes, scales from the mind and husbands from wives."
>> >> >
>> >> Typo corrected:
>> >>
>> >> > “Since this is the day for that, and I doubt anyone else will step up and state it.”
>> >> > -- Will Dockery
>> >>
>> >> (Insert the quote where Michael Pendragon scolds spelling lamers and typo nitpickers.)
>> >
>> >>
>> >> (Insert the quote where Michael Pendragon scolds spelling lamers and typo nitpickers.)
>> >
>> > But why are you trying to pick a fight over a sig.file?
Your sig.file is obviously intended to goad me into an argument aka trolling.
>> > It's a direct quote from you. If you get embarrassed by typos, spelling and grammatical errors, you should proofread you messages prior to posting them.
>
>> So you should not complain about it when the spelling errors and typos of others posting on the newsgroup are pointed out, Pendragon.
>>
>> Your ongoing hypocrisy is unbecoming.
>
> There is a world of difference between pointing out a spelling error when engaged in an argument (especially when it's in lieu of addressing your opponent's point) and quoting a humorous error in a sig.file.
>
> The former is a desperate (and childishly transparent) attempt to shift the focus of an argument when bested. The latter is
The same thing, on a larger scale.
>
> The former is a desperate (and childishly transparent) attempt to shift the focus of an argument when bested. The latter is
Michael Pendragon
Apr 1, 2021, 11:54:07 AM4/1/21
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Do you know what an argument is?
I honestly don't think you do.
Here's the Merriam-Webster definition of "argue" to clarify things for you.
(As always, consult Dr. Schwimmer for help):
ar·gue | \ ˈär-(ˌ)gyü \
argued; arguing
Definition of argue
intransitive verb
1: to give reasons for or against something : REASON
argue for a new policy
2: to contend or disagree in words : DISPUTE
They're always arguing about money.
transitive verb
1: to give evidence of : INDICATE
The facts argue his innocence.
2: to consider the pros and cons of : DISCUSS
argue an issue
3: to prove or try to prove by giving reasons : MAINTAIN
asking for a chance to argue his case
4: to persuade by giving reasons : INDUCE
couldn't argue her out of going
[END QUOTE]
An argument is not a quarrel. It is a discussion wherein the disputants use reason to prove their case.
I have never ignored an opponent's argument, nor attempted to deflect from the argument by pointing out a typo.
A sig.file, otoh, has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the argument that precedes it. It is merely a quotation that one attaches to his posts for added interest and/or amusement.
The following is a sig.file and not an argument:
Michael Pendragon
Waffle House closing at 9pm is a big change.
-- Will Dockery, discussing poetry.
W.Dockery
Apr 1, 2021, 12:11:04 PM4/1/21
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 1, 2021, 12:17:15 PM4/1/21
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I advised you to seek out Dr. Schwimmer's assistance with this. Please do so before attempting to respond again.
Will Dockery
Apr 1, 2021, 12:29:50 PM4/1/21
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 1, 2021, 12:43:47 PM4/1/21
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Even after having read the Merriam-Webster definition, you still haven't the faintest clue as to what an argument is -- or why one should never substitute pointing out a type/spelling error for addressing his opponent's point.
Will Dockery
Apr 1, 2021, 12:48:54 PM4/1/21
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You goaded me into it with your sig.file.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 1, 2021, 12:55:53 PM4/1/21
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This is you not understanding what "argument" means, and refusing to admit that you don't.
Please see Dr. Schwimmer, or call/text Barfield, and have one of them explain it to you.
W.Dockery
Apr 1, 2021, 1:59:04 PM4/1/21
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:)
Coco DeSockmonkey
Apr 1, 2021, 2:16:57 PM4/1/21
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W.Dockery
Apr 1, 2021, 3:23:04 PM4/1/21
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 1, 2021, 3:54:19 PM4/1/21
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Demonstrating your ignorance of a word's meaning once is both understandable and forgivable. Repeatedly demonstrating your ignorance, especially after you've been informed of your mistake, is... mind boggling.
The only explanation of such behavior that I can come up with is that you have the mentality of a stubborn 5-year old who's going to stamp his foot and insist that he's correct regardless of any evidence offered to the contrary.
You have my deepest and most sincere sympathy.
W.Dockery
Apr 1, 2021, 5:22:05 PM4/1/21
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:)
Will Dockery
Apr 1, 2021, 6:16:16 PM4/1/21
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On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 10:12:21 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>
> Pendragon reads one poem by Williams and trie to be the know it all... ha ha ha....
It's a good start.
:)
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-3, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > >
> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > the soil from the field
> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > >
> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > >
> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> > How is this not xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > >
> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > the soil from the field
> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > >
> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > >
> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
>
> Pendragon reads one poem by Williams and trie to be the know it all... ha ha ha....
It's a good start.
:)
Zod
Apr 1, 2021, 10:33:04 PM4/1/21
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Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
>>
>> the winds of this northern March —
>> blow the bark from the trees
>> the soil from the field
>> the hair from the heads of
>> girls, the shirts from the backs
>> [...]
>>
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/mXC-5dB8YuI/rOjBFX1XAgAJ
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
>>
>> the winds of this northern March —
>> blow the bark from the trees
>> the soil from the field
>> the hair from the heads of
>> girls, the shirts from the backs
>> [...]
>>
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> "Certainly his idea that "gibbberish" means "not written in complete sentences" is a non-starter when it comes to poetry, period. The grammatical units of poetry are lines and stanzas, not (as in prose) sentences and paragraphs..."
> -George J. Dance
> ---
You nailed it Doc...
Zod
Apr 2, 2021, 10:04:18 PM4/2/21
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On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 1:31:34 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 10:10:03 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
Yep...
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 10:10:03 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > >
> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > the soil from the field
> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > >
> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > >
> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> > > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > >
> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > the soil from the field
> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > >
> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > >
> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> > How is this not a sentence?
> Nobody said William Carlos Willams never wrote a sentence, but he and others established that poetry is as George Dance put it:
> "Certainly his idea that "gibbberish" means "not written in complete sentences" is a non-starter when it comes to poetry, period. The grammatical units of poetry are lines and stanzas, not (as in prose) sentences and paragraphs..."
> -George J. Dance
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/mXC-5dB8YuI/rOjBFX1XAgAJ
> -George J. Dance
Yep...
General-Zod
Apr 3, 2021, 10:47:05 PM4/3/21
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Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
>>
>> the winds of this northern March —
>> blow the bark from the trees
>> the soil from the field
>> the hair from the heads of
>> girls, the shirts from the backs
>> [...]
>>
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/mXC-5dB8YuI/rOjBFX1XAgAJ
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
>>
>> the winds of this northern March —
>> blow the bark from the trees
>> the soil from the field
>> the hair from the heads of
>> girls, the shirts from the backs
>> [...]
>>
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> "Certainly his idea that "gibbberish" means "not written in complete sentences" is a non-starter when it comes to poetry, period. The grammatical units of poetry are lines and stanzas, not (as in prose) sentences and paragraphs..."
> -George J. Dance
Nailed that one...
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Will Dockery
Apr 4, 2021, 4:21:38 AM4/4/21
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:)
Will Dockery
Apr 4, 2021, 8:39:31 AM4/4/21
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General Zod
Apr 4, 2021, 10:58:39 PM4/4/21
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On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> >
> > the winds of this northern March —
> > blow the bark from the trees
> > the soil from the field
> > the hair from the heads of
> > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > [...]
> >
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
>
> "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
>
> WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
>
> >
> > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> >
> > the winds of this northern March —
> > blow the bark from the trees
> > the soil from the field
> > the hair from the heads of
> > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > [...]
> >
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
>
> "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
>
> WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/mXC-5dB8YuI/rOjBFX1XAgAJ
>
> "Certainly his idea that "gibbberish" means "not written in complete sentences" is a non-starter when it comes to poetry, period. The grammatical units of poetry are lines and stanzas, not (as in prose) sentences and paragraphs..."
> -George J. Dance
>
> ---
Yep...
>
> "Certainly his idea that "gibbberish" means "not written in complete sentences" is a non-starter when it comes to poetry, period. The grammatical units of poetry are lines and stanzas, not (as in prose) sentences and paragraphs..."
> -George J. Dance
>
> ---
Will Dockery
Apr 6, 2021, 6:10:51 AM4/6/21
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Zod
Apr 6, 2021, 10:07:52 PM4/6/21
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On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:27:30 AM UTC-3, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 1:31:34 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 1:31:34 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 10:10:03 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > > >
> > > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > > the soil from the field
> > > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > > >
> > > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > > >
> > > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> > >
> > Nobody said William Carlos Willams xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > > >
> > > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > > the soil from the field
> > > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > > >
> > > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > > >
> > > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> > >
Hush, fascist fool...
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Will Dockery
Apr 9, 2021, 3:03:23 AM4/9/21
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:)
Zod
Apr 10, 2021, 10:51:14 PM4/10/21
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On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 4:05:16 PM UTC-3, George J. Dance wrote:
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
>
> the winds of this northern March —
> blow the bark from the trees
> the soil from the field
> the hair from the heads of
> girls, the shirts from the backs
> [...]
>
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
Lovvin it...
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
>
> the winds of this northern March —
> blow the bark from the trees
> the soil from the field
> the hair from the heads of
> girls, the shirts from the backs
> [...]
>
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
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Will Dockery
Apr 13, 2021, 1:15:52 AM4/13/21
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On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 10:12:21 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-3, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-3, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > >
> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > the soil from the field
> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > >
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > >
> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > the soil from the field
> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > >
> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > >
> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> > >
> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > >
> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> > How is this not xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Pendragon reads one poem by Williams and trie to be the know it all... ha ha ha....
He has never been too swift on modern poetry.
>
> Pendragon reads one poem by Williams and trie to be the know it all... ha ha ha....
:)
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Will Dockery
Apr 17, 2021, 3:32:51 AM4/17/21
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On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
>
> the winds of this northern March —
> blow the bark from the trees
> the soil from the field
> the hair from the heads of
> girls, the shirts from the backs
> [...]
>
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
Another AAPC Reader's choice pick.
>
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
>
> the winds of this northern March —
> blow the bark from the trees
> the soil from the field
> the hair from the heads of
> girls, the shirts from the backs
> [...]
>
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
AAPC Readers' Choices (of favorite poems of AAPC poets):
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https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/search?q=%22AAPC%20Reader%27s%20Choice%22
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Zod
Apr 17, 2021, 11:49:01 AM4/17/21
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On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 10:10:03 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > >
> > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > the soil from the field
> > > the hair from the heads of
> > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > >
> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > >
> > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > the soil from the field
> > > the hair from the heads of
> > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> >
> > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> >
> > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> >
> > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> >
> > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> How is this not a sentence?
>
> "The winds flowing edge to edge, their clear edges meeting — the winds of this northern March — blow the bark from the trees the soil from the field the hair from the heads of girls, the shirts from the backs of the men, roofs from the houses, the cross from the church, clouds from the sky the fur from the faces of wild animals, crusts from scabby eyes, scales from the mind and husbands from wives."
>
> You've no idea what is and is not a sentence, have you?
>
> (Rhetorical question: don't bother answering.)
>
> Michael Pendragon
> “Since this is the say for that, and I doubt anyone else will strep up and state it.”
>
> "The winds flowing edge to edge, their clear edges meeting — the winds of this northern March — blow the bark from the trees the soil from the field the hair from the heads of girls, the shirts from the backs of the men, roofs from the houses, the cross from the church, clouds from the sky the fur from the faces of wild animals, crusts from scabby eyes, scales from the mind and husbands from wives."
>
> You've no idea what is and is not a sentence, have you?
>
> (Rhetorical question: don't bother answering.)
>
> Michael Pendragon
> -- Will Dockery
You are one stupid mother fucker, fascist....
Zod
Apr 17, 2021, 5:13:04 PM4/17/21
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On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 1:31:34 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 10:10:03 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > >
> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > the soil from the field
> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > >
> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > >
> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> > How is this not a sentence?
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 10:10:03 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:04:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:05:16 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> > > >
> > > > the winds of this northern March —
> > > > blow the bark from the trees
> > > > the soil from the field
> > > > the hair from the heads of
> > > > girls, the shirts from the backs
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams.html
> > > I was just reading about William Carlos Williams today:
> > >
> > > "It is clear that Williams doesn't like to conform to little things like complete sentences, capitalization, or complete ideas, and he seems to like nature..." -McKinley
> > >
> > > WCW's poetry seems to fit your statement well:
> > How is this not a sentence?
> Nobody said William Carlos Willams never wrote a sentence, but he and others established that poetry is as George Dance put it:
> "Certainly his idea that "gibbberish" means "not written in complete sentences" is a non-starter when it comes to poetry, period. The grammatical units of poetry are lines and stanzas, not (as in prose) sentences and paragraphs..."
> -George J. Dance
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/mXC-5dB8YuI/rOjBFX1XAgAJ
> -George J. Dance
Well put and quote of the week...
W.Dockery
Apr 18, 2021, 4:16:04 PM4/18/21
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General Zod
Apr 19, 2021, 1:35:10 PM4/19/21
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General-Zod
Aug 25, 2023, 4:50:26 PM8/25/23
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George J. Dance wrote:
>
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> the winds of this northern March —
> blow the bark from the trees
> the soil from the field
> the hair from the heads of
> girls, the shirts from the backs
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-winds-william-carlos-williams..html
>
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> The Winds, by William Carlos Williams
> the winds of this northern March —
> blow the bark from the trees
> the soil from the field
> the hair from the heads of
> girls, the shirts from the backs
> [...]
Always an enjoyable read with a W.C.W. poem...
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