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George Dance
Jul 18, 2023, 9:46:46 PM7/18/23
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from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> >
> The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
"There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
Of those who participated in the thread, two Bandar-Log (NastyGoon and the Asstroll) supported the proposed guidelines. Two others objected: Will Dockery, of course, who has consistently objected to others trying to limit his posts; but also Hieronymous Corey, who used to normally run with the Bandar-Log, but whose criticism in this case was scathing (though accurate):
On January 22, 2021 at 1:36:34 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
"Your guidelines look suspiciously like rules. It’s an imposition just to read them."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
Other Bandar-Log took part in the thread, but confined their remarks to trolling Will. I did not participate; there was a "George Dunce" posting in the thread, which may have confused some, but surely not Lying Michael Monkey, as that is one of his sock accounts.
That thread was apparently the entire "input" process, as another month of silence ensued. That was followed by the Monkey King's proclamation of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" in late February.
AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs, Feb 26, 2021, 9:27:33 AM:
"Welcome to AAPC – the “in place” for poets and poetry fans to hang out in the 21st century."
[...]
"AAPC is an unmoderated group, so pretty much anything goes.
"But while we don’t have any official set of rules per se, here are some guidelines for getting along with your fellow AAPC members:"
[...]
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
And that is the entire history of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES."
<snip for focus>
> > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> >
> Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included). Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
As the above history shows, that claim is not true. Lying Michael Monkey wrote them up himself in January 2021. Not only is Lying Michael Monkey propagandizing (repeating the same claims over and over), but, since this claim of his is false, we can call it more. Lying Michael Monkey is Goebbelsing.
<snip for focus>
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> >
> The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
"There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
Of those who participated in the thread, two Bandar-Log (NastyGoon and the Asstroll) supported the proposed guidelines. Two others objected: Will Dockery, of course, who has consistently objected to others trying to limit his posts; but also Hieronymous Corey, who used to normally run with the Bandar-Log, but whose criticism in this case was scathing (though accurate):
On January 22, 2021 at 1:36:34 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
"Your guidelines look suspiciously like rules. It’s an imposition just to read them."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
Other Bandar-Log took part in the thread, but confined their remarks to trolling Will. I did not participate; there was a "George Dunce" posting in the thread, which may have confused some, but surely not Lying Michael Monkey, as that is one of his sock accounts.
That thread was apparently the entire "input" process, as another month of silence ensued. That was followed by the Monkey King's proclamation of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" in late February.
AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs, Feb 26, 2021, 9:27:33 AM:
"Welcome to AAPC – the “in place” for poets and poetry fans to hang out in the 21st century."
[...]
"AAPC is an unmoderated group, so pretty much anything goes.
"But while we don’t have any official set of rules per se, here are some guidelines for getting along with your fellow AAPC members:"
[...]
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
And that is the entire history of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES."
<snip for focus>
> > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> >
> Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included). Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
As the above history shows, that claim is not true. Lying Michael Monkey wrote them up himself in January 2021. Not only is Lying Michael Monkey propagandizing (repeating the same claims over and over), but, since this claim of his is false, we can call it more. Lying Michael Monkey is Goebbelsing.
<snip for focus>
Michael Pendragon
Jul 18, 2023, 10:34:08 PM7/18/23
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On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
>
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > >
> > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
>
> It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
>
> Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
>
> Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
>
> AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
In 2019 there were no official guidelines.
> from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
>
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > >
> > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
>
> It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
>
> Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
>
> Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
>
> AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
As you can see, the topic had come up and over the course of the next year, the Official AAPC Guidelines were discussed in various threads, drawn up, discussed, and amended -- until they reached their present form.
> < whinesnip >
Will Dockery
Jul 18, 2023, 11:12:47 PM7/18/23
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Michael Pendragon
Jul 19, 2023, 12:22:52 AM7/19/23
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< plonk >
Will Dockery
Jul 19, 2023, 12:43:07 AM7/19/23
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Good riddance ^^^^^^^^^
Will Dockery
Jul 19, 2023, 10:26:29 AM7/19/23
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On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>
. > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>
> >
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > >
> > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> >
> > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
> >
> > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
> >
> > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
> >
> > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
> In 2019 there were no official guidelines.
>
> As you can see
Your guidelines are bogus?
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > >
> > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> >
> > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
> >
> > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
> >
> > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
> >
> > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
> In 2019 there were no official guidelines.
>
> As you can see
Yes, we know.
Will Dockery
Jul 19, 2023, 9:29:53 PM7/19/23
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On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:24:17 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:59:54 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 1:26:00 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 12:57:54 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:47:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:49:57 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:24:45 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 1:54:24 AM UTC, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:39:27 PM UTC, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:16:28 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > THE OFFICIAL AAPC GUIDELINES
>
> snip
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
> Lying Michael Monkey's Guidelines Lie
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/JULBCDoohF0/m/Ryvj7abxAwAJ?hl=en
You nailed it, George.
(Moved from the troll thread.)
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:59:54 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 1:26:00 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 12:57:54 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:47:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:49:57 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:24:45 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 1:54:24 AM UTC, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:39:27 PM UTC, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:16:28 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > THE OFFICIAL AAPC GUIDELINES
>
> snip
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
> Lying Michael Monkey's Guidelines Lie
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/JULBCDoohF0/m/Ryvj7abxAwAJ?hl=en
You nailed it, George.
(Moved from the troll thread.)
George Dance
Jul 20, 2023, 5:49:23 AM7/20/23
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On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
Will Dockery
Jul 20, 2023, 10:46:23 AM7/20/23
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"Michael Pendragon is a control freak on an ego trip."
And so it goes.
Will Dockery
Jul 20, 2023, 1:00:30 PM7/20/23
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On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>
> > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
> >
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > >
> > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> >
> > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
> >
> > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
> >
> > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
> >
> > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
> In 2019
Delusional fuckwit monkey Michael Pendragon's attempt at deflection noted and deleted.
>
> > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
> >
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > >
> > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> >
> > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
> >
> > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
> >
> > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
> >
> > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
> In 2019
And so it goes.
Faraway Star
Jul 22, 2023, 5:26:02 PM7/22/23
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As ever, he's a control freak on an ego trip..!
Will Dockery
Jul 22, 2023, 8:33:12 PM7/22/23
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🙂
Ash Wurthing
Jul 22, 2023, 9:52:00 PM7/22/23
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The crux of the problem:
jdcha...@gmail.com
Jul 26, 2022, 1:05:36 PM
"but when someone expresses this opinion repeatedly, so often, as he does, what is the point? what good does it do? Is it just venting? it seems to be railing against reality..."
++++
The very same can be said about Jordy and Will and crew's repeated hellos, repeated criticisms against others here. So by their own words, those buttercups need to suck it up and shut the fuck up!
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"the reality that Usenet is an open forum where anyone(within certain limits) can post about anything at any time, and there is nothing that can be done about it.. "
++++
Jordy and crew don't unstand the whole concept of focused subjects that the Usenet hierarchy is organized into, based on the hope of self policing...
Your crew ignorantly pissing in this place like it's no more than a kiddies' pool is dire and so much like the state of the World that you bemoan-- everyone doing what they damned well please without regard to the collective whole-- making a writers' forum (for poetry commentary) into nothing more than an electronic bulletin board of insignificant self absorbed bullshit
++++
"why post this sentiment so often when this reality isn't likely to be changed? wouldn't it be easier and simpler to instead of complaining about it non stop just ignore the posts that are upsetting you?"
++++
As Desmond Tutu says, "I will not and cannot shut up" and you all will have to put up, put me down or plug your ears by burying them in the sands...
"Poetry is an effort of a dissatisfied man to find satisfaction through words."
"Wallace Stevens and the Limits of Reading and Writing" (2002) Bart Eeckhout pg 268
" Surely I write not for the hopeful young,
Or those who deem their happiness of worth,
Or such as pasture and grow fat among
The shows of life and feel nor doubt nor dearth,
Or pious spirits with a God above them
To sanctify and glorify and love them,
Or sages who foresee a heaven on earth."
"For none of these I write, and none of these
Could read the writing if they deigned to try;
So may they flourish in their due degrees,
On our sweet earth and in their unplaced sky.
If any cares for the weak words here written,
It must be some one desolate, Fate-smitten,
Whose faith and hopes are dead, and who would die."
--"The City Of Dreadful Night" (Jan 1882) ~~James Thomson
++++
"and if you want to vent, at least vent about things that1) you car do something or about, or 2) vent about the truly serious, dire, distressing problems and issues in the world? compared to the current world going to hell in a handbasket in *countless* respects, isn't what people post on Usenet rather insignificant and minor and trivial and unimportant?"
++++
So rather than curse, I shall put it into verse, this terse way that we converse...
I rage against the machine
I rage against them all
Every machine, including me
You see, humans are the machinery
We build them all
They operate at our beck and call
So I rage against Humanity
Creators of the condemnable machinery
~~AshWurthing
Damned critics, either I'm preachy or I'm an nihilist-- would they make up their damned minds?
"Lies feed hatred and hatred brings war
And the war that must come is the apocalypse" ...
- "Behold the Valiant Misanthropist" ~~ Puissance
jdcha...@gmail.com
Jul 26, 2022, 1:05:36 PM
"but when someone expresses this opinion repeatedly, so often, as he does, what is the point? what good does it do? Is it just venting? it seems to be railing against reality..."
++++
The very same can be said about Jordy and Will and crew's repeated hellos, repeated criticisms against others here. So by their own words, those buttercups need to suck it up and shut the fuck up!
++++
"the reality that Usenet is an open forum where anyone(within certain limits) can post about anything at any time, and there is nothing that can be done about it.. "
++++
Jordy and crew don't unstand the whole concept of focused subjects that the Usenet hierarchy is organized into, based on the hope of self policing...
Your crew ignorantly pissing in this place like it's no more than a kiddies' pool is dire and so much like the state of the World that you bemoan-- everyone doing what they damned well please without regard to the collective whole-- making a writers' forum (for poetry commentary) into nothing more than an electronic bulletin board of insignificant self absorbed bullshit
++++
"why post this sentiment so often when this reality isn't likely to be changed? wouldn't it be easier and simpler to instead of complaining about it non stop just ignore the posts that are upsetting you?"
++++
As Desmond Tutu says, "I will not and cannot shut up" and you all will have to put up, put me down or plug your ears by burying them in the sands...
"Poetry is an effort of a dissatisfied man to find satisfaction through words."
"Wallace Stevens and the Limits of Reading and Writing" (2002) Bart Eeckhout pg 268
" Surely I write not for the hopeful young,
Or those who deem their happiness of worth,
Or such as pasture and grow fat among
The shows of life and feel nor doubt nor dearth,
Or pious spirits with a God above them
To sanctify and glorify and love them,
Or sages who foresee a heaven on earth."
"For none of these I write, and none of these
Could read the writing if they deigned to try;
So may they flourish in their due degrees,
On our sweet earth and in their unplaced sky.
If any cares for the weak words here written,
It must be some one desolate, Fate-smitten,
Whose faith and hopes are dead, and who would die."
--"The City Of Dreadful Night" (Jan 1882) ~~James Thomson
++++
"and if you want to vent, at least vent about things that1) you car do something or about, or 2) vent about the truly serious, dire, distressing problems and issues in the world? compared to the current world going to hell in a handbasket in *countless* respects, isn't what people post on Usenet rather insignificant and minor and trivial and unimportant?"
++++
So rather than curse, I shall put it into verse, this terse way that we converse...
I rage against the machine
I rage against them all
Every machine, including me
You see, humans are the machinery
We build them all
They operate at our beck and call
So I rage against Humanity
Creators of the condemnable machinery
~~AshWurthing
Damned critics, either I'm preachy or I'm an nihilist-- would they make up their damned minds?
"Lies feed hatred and hatred brings war
And the war that must come is the apocalypse" ...
- "Behold the Valiant Misanthropist" ~~ Puissance
W.Dockery
Jul 22, 2023, 10:15:18 PM7/22/23
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HTH and HAND.
Ash Wurthing
Jul 23, 2023, 2:11:06 AM7/23/23
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On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 11:12:47 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
<a donkey slung shit eating slurp>
Will Dockery
Jul 23, 2023, 6:49:31 AM7/23/23
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Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 11:12:47 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 11:12:47 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>> >
>> > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
>> >
>> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>> > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
>> > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
>> > > >
>> > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
>> >
>> > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
>> >
>> > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
>> > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
>> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
>> >
>> > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
>> >
>> > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
>> > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
>> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
>> >
>> >
>> > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
>> >
>> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>> > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
>> > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
>> > > >
>> > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
>> >
>> > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
>> >
>> > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
>> > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
>> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
>> >
>> > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
>> >
>> > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
>> > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
>> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
>> >
>> > Of those who participated in the thread, two Bandar-Log (NastyGoon and the Asstroll) supported the proposed guidelines. Two others objected: Will Dockery, of course, who has consistently objected to others trying to limit his posts; but also Hieronymous Corey, who used to normally run with the Bandar-Log, but whose criticism in this case was scathing (though accurate):
>> >
>> > On January 22, 2021 at 1:36:34 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
>> > "Your guidelines look suspiciously like rules. It’s an imposition just to read them."
>> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>> >
>> > Other Bandar-Log took part in the thread, but confined their remarks to trolling Will. I did not participate; there was a "George Dunce" posting in the thread, which may have confused some, but surely not Lying Michael Monkey, as that is one of his sock accounts.
>> >
>> > That thread was apparently the entire "input" process, as another month of silence ensued. That was followed by the Monkey King's proclamation of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" in late February.
>> >
>> > AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs, Feb 26, 2021, 9:27:33 AM:
>> > "Welcome to AAPC – the “in place” for poets and poetry fans to hang out in the 21st century."
>> > [...]
>> > "AAPC is an unmoderated group, so pretty much anything goes.
>> > "But while we don’t have any official set of rules per se, here are some guidelines for getting along with your fellow AAPC members:"
>> > [...]
>> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>> >
>> > And that is the entire history of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES."
>> >
>> > <snip for focus>
>> >
>> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
>> > > > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
>> > > >
>> > > Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included). Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
>> >
>> > As the above history shows, that claim is not true. Lying Michael Monkey wrote them up himself in January 2021. Not only is Lying Michael Monkey propagandizing (repeating the same claims over and over), but, since this claim of his is false, we can call it more. Lying Michael Monkey is Goebbelsing.
>> >
>> > <snip for focus>
>> >
>> > On January 22, 2021 at 1:36:34 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
>> > "Your guidelines look suspiciously like rules. It’s an imposition just to read them."
>> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>> >
>> > Other Bandar-Log took part in the thread, but confined their remarks to trolling Will. I did not participate; there was a "George Dunce" posting in the thread, which may have confused some, but surely not Lying Michael Monkey, as that is one of his sock accounts.
>> >
>> > That thread was apparently the entire "input" process, as another month of silence ensued. That was followed by the Monkey King's proclamation of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" in late February.
>> >
>> > AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs, Feb 26, 2021, 9:27:33 AM:
>> > "Welcome to AAPC – the “in place” for poets and poetry fans to hang out in the 21st century."
>> > [...]
>> > "AAPC is an unmoderated group, so pretty much anything goes.
>> > "But while we don’t have any official set of rules per se, here are some guidelines for getting along with your fellow AAPC members:"
>> > [...]
>> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>> >
>> > And that is the entire history of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES."
>> >
>> > <snip for focus>
>> >
>> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
>> > > > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
>> > > >
>> > > Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included). Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
>> >
>> > As the above history shows, that claim is not true. Lying Michael Monkey wrote them up himself in January 2021. Not only is Lying Michael Monkey propagandizing (repeating the same claims over and over), but, since this claim of his is false, we can call it more. Lying Michael Monkey is Goebbelsing.
>> >
>> > <snip for focus>
>> You nailed it, George, well put.
> This is in Dockery's very own word
No shit, Sherlock.
> This is in Dockery's very own word
🙂
ME
Jul 23, 2023, 7:18:49 AM7/23/23
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Will Dockery
Jul 24, 2023, 10:44:05 AM7/24/23
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And so it goes.
Message has been deleted
Will Dockery
Jul 26, 2023, 1:42:32 PM7/26/23
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Faraway Star
Jul 26, 2023, 3:48:22 PM7/26/23
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Ash Wurthing
Jul 26, 2023, 5:21:29 PM7/26/23
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"Like I said, delusional fuckwit monkey Michael Pendragon's attempt at deflection noted and deleted. "
This simply be more of, in Dockery's very own words:
<donkey shit eating slinging>
And this thread, of the legitimacy of the liar #eorgeJDance and his "slurpers" (their own trolling words)-- makes a reader doubt his and their veracity by seeing these other lies of his and #WillDockery support of them:
Will Dockery
May 3, 2023, 11:27:32 AM
On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 11:15:35 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
< On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 8:05:35 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
< < Don't think I have forgotten 'bout Dance's tat in this thread, so this tat's for you Dance!
< Since you've actually opened a new thread, Ashtroll, it's probably a good idea to let people know what you're talking about, Ashtroll.
< On March 28, the day after a self-identified transgender person shot six people at a Christian school in Nashville, one of our drive-by posters posted the slogan "Transphobia Must Die!" onto aapc, and the Ashtroll gave it a "*thumb up*" (sic). When I pointed out the context, the Ashtroll began calling me a "transphobe" as well.
< < Score, double score, _underscored_ even.
< < We know that hit the bone when a dunce comes out of the woodwork to try to even the score.
< If you've missed me lately, troll, I've been waiting to see the Nashville shooter's "manifesto" -- so far the FBI have not released it.
< < You cannot deny a victory when they're so sure of their selves that they have a victory over Ash by merely calling him a "whiner." This surely reflects more on their selves than they realize.
< But you haven't merely been whining (playing victim) this time, Ashtroll. You've actually tried to excuse the shooting of those 3 kids in Nashville by handwaving about "hundreds of murdered transgender children" (as if the Nashville shooter was just trying to "even the score" as you put it).
Interesting observation.
## Not so interesting is your failure in reading comprehensions and ignoring facts, Will. The Transphobia thread was started/posted the day before the shooting (Mar 26), not the day after. It was obviouse to everyone, except for you and your ass opinion, libeling editor, that it was not in response to the shooting.
## The "hundreds of murdered transgender children" was actually "hundreds of murdered transgender" and was in response to Dance's twisted rhetoric, not the Nashville shooter. It involves some of my favorite lyrics which are so appropriate regarding Dance and his truth twisting, see below:
Ash Wurthing
Apr 3, 2023, 5:39:42 PM
Re: Dance and legitimacy on matters of transphobia
A cold wind is blowing
Through the graves* it is blowing
And it bares a poisoned tongue**
And the foul breath of deceit**
-- 'Empire Falls' ~~ Primordial
-* the graves of hundreds of murdered transgender
-** George J Dance rhetoric
## You dumb asses threw away any respectability all for a chance to slur me. Despite you thinking you tatted me good and I'm stinging from it, it actually ended disastrously for you-- made me look pretty damned cool. Bloodied yet unbowed I remain and you fools, you just spew...
Ash Wurthing
Jul 26, 2023, 5:35:03 PM7/26/23
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On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 6:49:31 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
"Censorship is the tool of those who have the need to hide actualities from themselves and from others. Their fear is only their inability to face what is real..."
--'On Writing' ~~Charles Bukowski
< Ash Wurthing wrote:
< < This is in Dockery's very own word
< No shit, Sherlock.
Liar and misrepresentor, that was not your words, but mine. And they're truly not my words because you left out half of what I said. Why do you tamper with the record of what was said and try to deceive people about what was said? What are you afraid of?
< < This is in Dockery's very own word
< No shit, Sherlock.
"Censorship is the tool of those who have the need to hide actualities from themselves and from others. Their fear is only their inability to face what is real..."
--'On Writing' ~~Charles Bukowski
Will Dockery
Jul 27, 2023, 10:34:21 PM7/27/23
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On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 5:35:03 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> "Censorship is the tool of those who have the need to hide actualities from themselves and from others. Their fear is only their inability to face what is real..."
> --'On Writing' ~~Charles Bukowski
Good quote.
>
> "Censorship is the tool of those who have the need to hide actualities from themselves and from others. Their fear is only their inability to face what is real..."
> --'On Writing' ~~Charles Bukowski
ME
Jul 27, 2023, 10:57:28 PM7/27/23
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Your ‘type’ of censorship.
Ash Wurthing
Jul 28, 2023, 12:19:39 AM7/28/23
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Will Dockery
Jul 28, 2023, 1:51:34 AM7/28/23
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On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:57:28 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
HTH and HAND.
Ash Wurthing
Jul 28, 2023, 2:26:40 AM7/28/23
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Will Dockery
Jul 28, 2023, 2:38:52 AM7/28/23
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On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:26:40 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:51:34 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:57:28 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 22:34:21 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 5:35:03 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> > > > > "Censorship is the tool of those who have the need to hide actualities from themselves and from others. Their fear is only their inability to face what is real..."
> > > > > --'On Writing' ~~Charles Bukowski
> > > That explains why you (and yours) ‘snip’ so much.
> > > Your ‘type’ of censorship.
> > I don't censor anyone, all the posts are still in the thread.
> You censor in your mind
No, I don't.
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:51:34 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:57:28 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 22:34:21 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 5:35:03 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> > > > > "Censorship is the tool of those who have the need to hide actualities from themselves and from others. Their fear is only their inability to face what is real..."
> > > > > --'On Writing' ~~Charles Bukowski
> > > That explains why you (and yours) ‘snip’ so much.
> > > Your ‘type’ of censorship.
> > I don't censor anyone, all the posts are still in the thread.
> You censor in your mind
Will Dockery
Jul 28, 2023, 11:50:47 AM7/28/23
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Faraway Star
Jul 28, 2023, 4:29:33 PM7/28/23
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Ash Wurthing
Jul 28, 2023, 4:32:13 PM7/28/23
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And this thread, of the legitimacy of the liar #GeorgeJDance and his "slurpers" (their own trolling words)-- makes a reader doubt his and their veracity by seeing these other lies of his and #WillDockery support of them:
Faraway Star
Jul 28, 2023, 4:33:52 PM7/28/23
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Will Dockery
Jul 28, 2023, 9:20:10 PM7/28/23
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On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:26:02 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
🙂
Ash Wurthing
Jul 28, 2023, 10:53:45 PM7/28/23
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Learn some English, a single word like "deflection" isn't an admission to anything-- I made a living putting stupid fools like you in The Hole...
Ash Wurthing
Jul 28, 2023, 10:58:22 PM7/28/23
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Will Dockery
Jul 28, 2023, 11:49:09 PM7/28/23
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No, you're either confused or simply making shit up as you go along, as usual, Ash.
HTH and HAND.
George Dance
Jul 29, 2023, 8:51:18 AM7/29/23
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On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:58:22 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
Will Dockery
Jul 29, 2023, 9:00:38 AM7/29/23
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Will Dockery
Jul 29, 2023, 7:00:56 PM7/29/23
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On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:49:23 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
> > >
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>
> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > > >
> > > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> > >
> > > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
> > >
> > > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> > > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
> > >
> > > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
> > >
> > > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> > > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
> > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
> > >
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>
> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > > >
> > > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> > >
> > > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
> > >
> > > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> > > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
> > >
> > > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
> > >
> > > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> > > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
> > In 2019 there were no official guidelines.
> >
> > As you can see, the topic had come up and over the course of the next year, the Official AAPC Guidelines were discussed in various threads, drawn up, discussed, and amended -- until they reached their present form.
> No, Lying Michael; as we can see, you came up with "the topic" of guidelines in December, discussed them with NastyGoon and the Asstroll on one thread in January, and then posted them in "their present form" in February. No other discussion and no other input. You're Goebbelsing again.
And still at it, as expected.
> >
> > As you can see, the topic had come up and over the course of the next year, the Official AAPC Guidelines were discussed in various threads, drawn up, discussed, and amended -- until they reached their present form.
> No, Lying Michael; as we can see, you came up with "the topic" of guidelines in December, discussed them with NastyGoon and the Asstroll on one thread in January, and then posted them in "their present form" in February. No other discussion and no other input. You're Goebbelsing again.
Will Dockery
Jul 29, 2023, 8:13:54 PM7/29/23
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On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:52:00 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> The crux of the problem:
>
> jdcha...@gmail.com
> Jul 26, 2022, 1:05:36 PM
> "but when someone expresses this opinion repeatedly, so often, as he does, what is the point? what good does it do? Is it just venting? it seems to be railing against reality..."
>
> ++++
> The very same can be said about Jordy and Will and crew's repeated hellos, repeated criticisms against others here. So by their own words, those buttercups need to suck it up and shut the fuck up!
> ++++
>
> "the reality that Usenet is an open forum where anyone(within certain limits) can post about anything at any time, and there is nothing that can be done about it.. "
>
> ++++
> Jordy and crew don't unstand the whole concept of focused subjects that the Usenet hierarchy is organized into, based on the hope of self policing...
> Your crew ignorantly pissing in this place like it's no more than a kiddies' pool is dire and so much like the state of the World that you bemoan-- everyone doing what they damned well please without regard to the collective whole-- making a writers' forum (for poetry commentary) into nothing more than an electronic bulletin board of insignificant self absorbed bullshit
> ++++
>
> "why post this sentiment so often when this reality isn't likely to be changed? wouldn't it be easier and simpler to instead of complaining about it non stop just ignore the posts that are upsetting you?"
>
> ++++
> As Desmond Tutu says, "I will not and cannot shut up" and you all will have to put up, put me down or plug your ears by burying them in the sands...
>
> "Poetry is an effort of a dissatisfied man to find satisfaction through words."
> "Wallace Stevens and the Limits of Reading and Writing" (2002) Bart Eeckhout pg 268
>
> " Surely I write not for the hopeful young,
> Or those who deem their happiness of worth,
> Or such as pasture and grow fat among
> The shows of life and feel nor doubt nor dearth,
> Or pious spirits with a God above them
> To sanctify and glorify and love them,
> Or sages who foresee a heaven on earth."
>
> "For none of these I write, and none of these
> Could read the writing if they deigned to try;
> So may they flourish in their due degrees,
> On our sweet earth and in their unplaced sky.
> If any cares for the weak words here written,
> It must be some one desolate, Fate-smitten,
> Whose faith and hopes are dead, and who would die."
> --"The City Of Dreadful Night" (Jan 1882) ~~James Thomson
>
> ++++
>
> "and if you want to vent, at least vent about things that1) you car do something or about, or 2) vent about the truly serious, dire, distressing problems and issues in the world? compared to the current world going to hell in a handbasket in *countless* respects, isn't what people post on Usenet rather insignificant and minor and trivial and unimportant?"
>
> ++++
> So rather than curse, I shall put it into verse, this terse way that we converse...
>
> I rage against the machine
> I rage against them all
> Every machine, including me
> You see, humans are the machinery
> We build them all
> They operate at our beck and call
> So I rage against Humanity
> Creators of the condemnable machinery
> ~~AshWurthing
>
>
> Damned critics, either I'm preachy or I'm an nihilist-- would they make up their damned minds?
>
> "Lies feed hatred and hatred brings war
> And the war that must come is the apocalypse" ...
> - "Behold the Valiant Misanthropist" ~~ Puissance
Deflect much, Ash?
🙂
>
> The crux of the problem:
>
> jdcha...@gmail.com
> Jul 26, 2022, 1:05:36 PM
> "but when someone expresses this opinion repeatedly, so often, as he does, what is the point? what good does it do? Is it just venting? it seems to be railing against reality..."
>
> ++++
> The very same can be said about Jordy and Will and crew's repeated hellos, repeated criticisms against others here. So by their own words, those buttercups need to suck it up and shut the fuck up!
> ++++
>
> "the reality that Usenet is an open forum where anyone(within certain limits) can post about anything at any time, and there is nothing that can be done about it.. "
>
> ++++
> Jordy and crew don't unstand the whole concept of focused subjects that the Usenet hierarchy is organized into, based on the hope of self policing...
> Your crew ignorantly pissing in this place like it's no more than a kiddies' pool is dire and so much like the state of the World that you bemoan-- everyone doing what they damned well please without regard to the collective whole-- making a writers' forum (for poetry commentary) into nothing more than an electronic bulletin board of insignificant self absorbed bullshit
> ++++
>
> "why post this sentiment so often when this reality isn't likely to be changed? wouldn't it be easier and simpler to instead of complaining about it non stop just ignore the posts that are upsetting you?"
>
> ++++
> As Desmond Tutu says, "I will not and cannot shut up" and you all will have to put up, put me down or plug your ears by burying them in the sands...
>
> "Poetry is an effort of a dissatisfied man to find satisfaction through words."
> "Wallace Stevens and the Limits of Reading and Writing" (2002) Bart Eeckhout pg 268
>
> " Surely I write not for the hopeful young,
> Or those who deem their happiness of worth,
> Or such as pasture and grow fat among
> The shows of life and feel nor doubt nor dearth,
> Or pious spirits with a God above them
> To sanctify and glorify and love them,
> Or sages who foresee a heaven on earth."
>
> "For none of these I write, and none of these
> Could read the writing if they deigned to try;
> So may they flourish in their due degrees,
> On our sweet earth and in their unplaced sky.
> If any cares for the weak words here written,
> It must be some one desolate, Fate-smitten,
> Whose faith and hopes are dead, and who would die."
> --"The City Of Dreadful Night" (Jan 1882) ~~James Thomson
>
> ++++
>
> "and if you want to vent, at least vent about things that1) you car do something or about, or 2) vent about the truly serious, dire, distressing problems and issues in the world? compared to the current world going to hell in a handbasket in *countless* respects, isn't what people post on Usenet rather insignificant and minor and trivial and unimportant?"
>
> ++++
> So rather than curse, I shall put it into verse, this terse way that we converse...
>
> I rage against the machine
> I rage against them all
> Every machine, including me
> You see, humans are the machinery
> We build them all
> They operate at our beck and call
> So I rage against Humanity
> Creators of the condemnable machinery
> ~~AshWurthing
>
>
> Damned critics, either I'm preachy or I'm an nihilist-- would they make up their damned minds?
>
> "Lies feed hatred and hatred brings war
> And the war that must come is the apocalypse" ...
> - "Behold the Valiant Misanthropist" ~~ Puissance
Deflect much, Ash?
🙂
Will Dockery
Jul 30, 2023, 1:05:44 AM7/30/23
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On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:26:02 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> >
> > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
> >
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > >
> > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> >
> > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
> >
> > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
> >
> > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
> >
> > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
> >
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> >
> > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
> >
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > >
> > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> >
> > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
> >
> > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
> >
> > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
> >
> > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
> >
> > Of those who participated in the thread, two Bandar-Log (NastyGoon and the Asstroll) supported the proposed guidelines. Two others objected: Will Dockery, of course, who has consistently objected to others trying to limit his posts; but also Hieronymous Corey, who used to normally run with the Bandar-Log, but whose criticism in this case was scathing (though accurate):
> >
> > On January 22, 2021 at 1:36:34 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
> > "Your guidelines look suspiciously like rules. It’s an imposition just to read them."
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
> >
> > Other Bandar-Log took part in the thread, but confined their remarks to trolling Will. I did not participate; there was a "George Dunce" posting in the thread, which may have confused some, but surely not Lying Michael Monkey, as that is one of his sock accounts.
> >
> > That thread was apparently the entire "input" process, as another month of silence ensued. That was followed by the Monkey King's proclamation of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" in late February.
> >
> > AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs, Feb 26, 2021, 9:27:33 AM:
> > "Welcome to AAPC – the “in place” for poets and poetry fans to hang out in the 21st century."
> > [...]
> > "AAPC is an unmoderated group, so pretty much anything goes.
> > "But while we don’t have any official set of rules per se, here are some guidelines for getting along with your fellow AAPC members:"
> > [...]
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
> >
> > And that is the entire history of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES."
> >
> > <snip for focus>
> >
> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> > > > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> > > >
> > > Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included). Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
> >
> > As the above history shows, that claim is not true. Lying Michael Monkey wrote them up himself in January 2021. Not only is Lying Michael Monkey propagandizing (repeating the same claims over and over), but, since this claim of his is false, we can call it more. Lying Michael Monkey is Goebbelsing.
> >
> > <snip for focus>
> So much for Penhead's bogus Guidelines...
>
> As ever, he's a control freak on an ego trip..!
More true now than ever.
> >
> > On January 22, 2021 at 1:36:34 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
> > "Your guidelines look suspiciously like rules. It’s an imposition just to read them."
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
> >
> > Other Bandar-Log took part in the thread, but confined their remarks to trolling Will. I did not participate; there was a "George Dunce" posting in the thread, which may have confused some, but surely not Lying Michael Monkey, as that is one of his sock accounts.
> >
> > That thread was apparently the entire "input" process, as another month of silence ensued. That was followed by the Monkey King's proclamation of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" in late February.
> >
> > AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs, Feb 26, 2021, 9:27:33 AM:
> > "Welcome to AAPC – the “in place” for poets and poetry fans to hang out in the 21st century."
> > [...]
> > "AAPC is an unmoderated group, so pretty much anything goes.
> > "But while we don’t have any official set of rules per se, here are some guidelines for getting along with your fellow AAPC members:"
> > [...]
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
> >
> > And that is the entire history of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES."
> >
> > <snip for focus>
> >
> > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> > > > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> > > >
> > > Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included). Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
> >
> > As the above history shows, that claim is not true. Lying Michael Monkey wrote them up himself in January 2021. Not only is Lying Michael Monkey propagandizing (repeating the same claims over and over), but, since this claim of his is false, we can call it more. Lying Michael Monkey is Goebbelsing.
> >
> > <snip for focus>
> So much for Penhead's bogus Guidelines...
>
> As ever, he's a control freak on an ego trip..!
General-Zod
Jul 31, 2023, 4:15:20 PM7/31/23
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W.Dockery
Aug 2, 2023, 5:10:32 PM8/2/23
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"Pendragon is a control freak on an ego trip."
:)
Will Dockery
Aug 2, 2023, 9:14:33 PM8/2/23
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Ash Wurthing
Aug 2, 2023, 9:22:04 PM8/2/23
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Shall I post more of your and your crew's deeds? It provides so much in the way of writing prompts-- I'll make you inglorious whippin' fools infamous!
Will Dockery
Aug 2, 2023, 9:28:09 PM8/2/23
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🙂
Ash Wurthing
Aug 2, 2023, 10:28:50 PM8/2/23
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8MZBUoQt68
Will Dockery
Aug 2, 2023, 10:38:23 PM8/2/23
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🙂
Ash Wurthing
Aug 2, 2023, 10:53:29 PM8/2/23
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I've been told to tell you from the peanut gallery that your trainwreck is so unremarkable so not to garner any gawkin':
"Play stupid games, get stupid prizes!"
Will Dockery
Aug 3, 2023, 12:20:00 AM8/3/23
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🙂
Faraway Star
Aug 3, 2023, 4:57:35 PM8/3/23
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W.Dockery
Aug 5, 2023, 9:05:22 AM8/5/23
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Ash Wurthing
Aug 5, 2023, 9:23:06 AM8/5/23
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*(from the very fool that wouldn't apologize when caught and admitted to putting words in my mouth in his own "corrected" record)
Faraway Star
Aug 5, 2023, 5:22:41 PM8/5/23
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Will Dockery
Aug 7, 2023, 1:02:17 PM8/7/23
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🙂
Faraway Star
Aug 7, 2023, 5:12:16 PM8/7/23
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Ash Wurthing
Aug 7, 2023, 10:45:24 PM8/7/23
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Zod
Dec 30, 2022, 4:25:09 PM (7 days ago)
"You're an obsessive little motherfucker, are you not, Penhead..? "
On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 12:40:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
Name calling is a part of offensive language, you shit slinging little monkey.
On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 11:51:07 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
Nothing could be farther from the truth, you shit slinging little monkey.
On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 2:48:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
Yes I do, you lying, shit slinging little monkey.
On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 11:44:51 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
In your ignorant opinion, you shit slinging little monkey.
"Yes, the package looked good, your poetry is mostly garbage, as usual, Corey. Sad but true."
Will Dockery, November 26, 2021 at 3:56:54 PM UTC-5
"New Look" thread by HC
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/8RlRmu_B-XU/m/rqxACRojBQAJ
"Obstinacy and vehemency in opinion are the surest proof of stupidity." ~~Bernard Barton
Will Dockery
Aug 7, 2023, 10:55:06 PM8/7/23
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Ash Wurthing
Aug 8, 2023, 2:17:48 PM8/8/23
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And how did I come to be doomsayer of the unconventional? In the footsteps of holy men I follow, yet I am not like them for I do not know love. I am what the new calloused God, Man, has created. I am no wise man, no prophet, although I will intone "I told you so." I discourse drearily with dirges. I write the post notes to the elegies. I loiter upon the tower of silence, waiting to pick the carrion of the failed conventional ways, waiting to waltz with the skeletons of misfits for their sordid coming out of secrets of ignominy. For these "Creators" cannot go to their graves without knowing what they have made. I am their legacy come home to roost upon their head stones, bearing their regrets to shroud their biers.
I... I... I come from the precipice bearing a message...
General-Zod
Aug 12, 2023, 4:35:32 PM8/12/23
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W.Dockery
Aug 17, 2023, 10:50:26 AM8/17/23
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🙂
Faraway Star
Aug 18, 2023, 5:43:11 PM8/18/23
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Again... you nailed it..!
General-Zod
Aug 19, 2023, 4:35:24 PM8/19/23
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Faraway Star
Aug 20, 2023, 3:39:25 PM8/20/23
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Will Dockery
Aug 23, 2023, 11:06:26 AM8/23/23
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🙂
General-Zod
Aug 23, 2023, 4:41:32 PM8/23/23
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Will Dockery
Aug 28, 2023, 11:38:32 AM8/28/23
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Will Dockery
Aug 28, 2023, 12:03:29 PM8/28/23
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Faraway Star
Aug 28, 2023, 4:40:04 PM8/28/23
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George Dance wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2023 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > As you can see, the topic had come up and over the course of the next year, the Official AAPC Guidelines were discussed in various threads, drawn up, discussed, and amended -- until they reached their present form.
> No, Lying Michael; as we can see, you came up with "the topic" of guidelines in December, discussed them with NastyGoon and the Asstroll on one thread in January, and then posted them in "their present form" in February. No other discussion and no other input. You're Goebbelsing again.
With Penhead lying is as natural as breathing... ha ha.
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2023 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>
> > > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
> > >
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>
> > > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > > >
> > > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> > >
> > > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
> > >
> > > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> > > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
> > >
> > > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
> > >
> > > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> > > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
> > In 2019 there were no official guidelines.
>
> > > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
> > >
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>
> > > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > > >
> > > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> > >
> > > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
> > >
> > > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> > > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
> > >
> > > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
> > >
> > > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> > > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
> >
> > As you can see, the topic had come up and over the course of the next year, the Official AAPC Guidelines were discussed in various threads, drawn up, discussed, and amended -- until they reached their present form.
> No, Lying Michael; as we can see, you came up with "the topic" of guidelines in December, discussed them with NastyGoon and the Asstroll on one thread in January, and then posted them in "their present form" in February. No other discussion and no other input. You're Goebbelsing again.
With Penhead lying is as natural as breathing... ha ha.
Will Dockery
Sep 1, 2023, 12:43:37 AM9/1/23
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Will Dockery
Sep 1, 2023, 11:15:38 AM9/1/23
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On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>
> from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
>
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > >
> > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
>
> It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
>
> Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
>
> Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
>
> AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
>
>
> from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
>
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > >
> > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
>
> It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
>
> Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
>
> Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
>
> AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
>
> Of those who participated in the thread, two Bandar-Log (NastyGoon and the Asstroll) supported the proposed guidelines. Two others objected: Will Dockery, of course, who has consistently objected to others trying to limit his posts; but also Hieronymous Corey, who used to normally run with the Bandar-Log, but whose criticism in this case was scathing (though accurate):
>
> On January 22, 2021 at 1:36:34 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
> "Your guidelines look suspiciously like rules. It’s an imposition just to read them."
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>
> Other Bandar-Log took part in the thread, but confined their remarks to trolling Will. I did not participate; there was a "George Dunce" posting in the thread, which may have confused some, but surely not Lying Michael Monkey, as that is one of his sock accounts.
>
> That thread was apparently the entire "input" process, as another month of silence ensued. That was followed by the Monkey King's proclamation of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" in late February.
>
> AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs, Feb 26, 2021, 9:27:33 AM:
> "Welcome to AAPC – the “in place” for poets and poetry fans to hang out in the 21st century."
> [...]
> "AAPC is an unmoderated group, so pretty much anything goes.
> "But while we don’t have any official set of rules per se, here are some guidelines for getting along with your fellow AAPC members:"
> [...]
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>
> And that is the entire history of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES."
>
> <snip for focus>
>
> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> > > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> > >
> > Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included). Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
>
> As the above history shows, that claim is not true. Lying Michael Monkey wrote them up himself in January 2021. Not only is Lying Michael Monkey propagandizing (repeating the same claims over and over), but, since this claim of his is false, we can call it more. Lying Michael Monkey is Goebbelsing.
>
> <snip for focus>
Again, well put.
>
> On January 22, 2021 at 1:36:34 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
> "Your guidelines look suspiciously like rules. It’s an imposition just to read them."
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>
> Other Bandar-Log took part in the thread, but confined their remarks to trolling Will. I did not participate; there was a "George Dunce" posting in the thread, which may have confused some, but surely not Lying Michael Monkey, as that is one of his sock accounts.
>
> That thread was apparently the entire "input" process, as another month of silence ensued. That was followed by the Monkey King's proclamation of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" in late February.
>
> AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs, Feb 26, 2021, 9:27:33 AM:
> "Welcome to AAPC – the “in place” for poets and poetry fans to hang out in the 21st century."
> [...]
> "AAPC is an unmoderated group, so pretty much anything goes.
> "But while we don’t have any official set of rules per se, here are some guidelines for getting along with your fellow AAPC members:"
> [...]
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>
> And that is the entire history of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES."
>
> <snip for focus>
>
> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> > > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> > >
> > Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included). Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
>
> As the above history shows, that claim is not true. Lying Michael Monkey wrote them up himself in January 2021. Not only is Lying Michael Monkey propagandizing (repeating the same claims over and over), but, since this claim of his is false, we can call it more. Lying Michael Monkey is Goebbelsing.
>
> <snip for focus>
Ash Wurthing
Sep 1, 2023, 1:44:36 PM9/1/23
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As sWill's post reads to me:
< <snip for focus>
Again, well put.
sWilly does love his post editing but can never understate why most people would hate him for tampering with the record...
Again, well put.
This from the overposting fools that exercise such strict control over their so called "Official AAPC" Facebook page, that if you dare to criticize any of them here, they will bar you from THEIR AAPC Facebook page.
The control freak and hypocrisy of rules for everyone but them, runs strong in them..
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Will Dockery
Sep 11, 2023, 8:47:37 AM9/11/23
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Faraway Star wrote:
Pendragon is a troll, that's what trolls do.
🙂
🙂
Faraway Star
Sep 14, 2023, 5:01:11 PM9/14/23
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W.Dockery
Sep 14, 2023, 5:45:14 PM9/14/23
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Faraway Star wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>>
>> from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
>>
>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
>> > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
>> > >
>> > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
>>
>> It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
>>
>> Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
>> "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
>>
>> Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
>>
>> AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
>> MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions.. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>>
>> from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
>>
>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
>> > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
>> > >
>> > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
>>
>> It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
>>
>> Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
>> "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
>>
>> Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
>>
>> AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
>>
>> Of those who participated in the thread, two Bandar-Log (NastyGoon and the Asstroll) supported the proposed guidelines. Two others objected: Will Dockery, of course, who has consistently objected to others trying to limit his posts; but also Hieronymous Corey, who used to normally run with the Bandar-Log, but whose criticism in this case was scathing (though accurate):
>>
>> On January 22, 2021 at 1:36:34 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
>> "Your guidelines look suspiciously like rules. It’s an imposition just to read them."
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>>
>> Other Bandar-Log took part in the thread, but confined their remarks to trolling Will. I did not participate; there was a "George Dunce" posting in the thread, which may have confused some, but surely not Lying Michael Monkey, as that is one of his sock accounts.
>>
>> That thread was apparently the entire "input" process, as another month of silence ensued. That was followed by the Monkey King's proclamation of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" in late February.
>>
>> AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs, Feb 26, 2021, 9:27:33 AM:
>> "Welcome to AAPC – the “in place” for poets and poetry fans to hang out in the 21st century."
>> [...]
>> "AAPC is an unmoderated group, so pretty much anything goes.
>> "But while we don’t have any official set of rules per se, here are some guidelines for getting along with your fellow AAPC members:"
>> [...]
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>>
>> And that is the entire history of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES."
>>
>> <snip for focus>
>>
>> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
>> > > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
>> > >
>> > Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included). Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
>>
>> As the above history shows, that claim is not true. Lying Michael Monkey wrote them up himself in January 2021. Not only is Lying Michael Monkey propagandizing (repeating the same claims over and over), but, since this claim of his is false, we can call it more. Lying Michael Monkey is Goebbelsing..
>>
>> Of those who participated in the thread, two Bandar-Log (NastyGoon and the Asstroll) supported the proposed guidelines. Two others objected: Will Dockery, of course, who has consistently objected to others trying to limit his posts; but also Hieronymous Corey, who used to normally run with the Bandar-Log, but whose criticism in this case was scathing (though accurate):
>>
>> On January 22, 2021 at 1:36:34 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
>> "Your guidelines look suspiciously like rules. It’s an imposition just to read them."
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>>
>> Other Bandar-Log took part in the thread, but confined their remarks to trolling Will. I did not participate; there was a "George Dunce" posting in the thread, which may have confused some, but surely not Lying Michael Monkey, as that is one of his sock accounts.
>>
>> That thread was apparently the entire "input" process, as another month of silence ensued. That was followed by the Monkey King's proclamation of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" in late February.
>>
>> AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs, Feb 26, 2021, 9:27:33 AM:
>> "Welcome to AAPC – the “in place” for poets and poetry fans to hang out in the 21st century."
>> [...]
>> "AAPC is an unmoderated group, so pretty much anything goes.
>> "But while we don’t have any official set of rules per se, here are some guidelines for getting along with your fellow AAPC members:"
>> [...]
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>>
>> And that is the entire history of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES."
>>
>> <snip for focus>
>>
>> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
>> > > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
>> > >
>> > Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included). Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
>>
>>
>> <snip for focus>
> Again, good read ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Important information to new readers here.
>> <snip for focus>
> Again, good read ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ash Wurthing
Sep 14, 2023, 7:04:32 PM9/14/23
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On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 5:45:14 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> Important information to new readers here.
LO7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Important information to new readers here.
I showed the title "Lying Michael Monkey's Guidelines Lie" to some professional and published writers and they were facepalming and headdesking-- not about Michael but whoever the fool was that wrote the title! I was asked if the guidelines were lying down or around.
Will Dockery
Sep 14, 2023, 7:11:00 PM9/14/23
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On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:04:32 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> I showed the title "Lying Michael Monkey's Guidelines Lie" to some professional and published writers
Right, and you "know all about comics" also.
>
> I showed the title "Lying Michael Monkey's Guidelines Lie" to some professional and published writers
In other words, once again, your imaginary victory is noted, Ash.
🙂
Ash Wurthing
Sep 14, 2023, 7:27:59 PM9/14/23
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Yes, I do know all about comics, but I never said I was an expert or knew it all. I know all about many things-- I've been formally educated and practiced in several fields, so I can informally say know all about them- it's a common phrase people use when they're knowledgeable about something. I have something that been lying around for the last year since you started your obsession with the cherry picked word of mine, that will show my knowing all about comics.
Will Dockery
Sep 14, 2023, 7:30:57 PM9/14/23
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On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:27:59 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:04:32 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >
> > > I showed the title "Lying Michael Monkey's Guidelines Lie" to some professional and published writers
> > Right, and you "know all about comics" also.
> >
> > In other words, once again, your imaginary victory is noted, Ash.
> Imaginary victory?
That's what it looks like from here, yes.
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:04:32 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >
> > > I showed the title "Lying Michael Monkey's Guidelines Lie" to some professional and published writers
> > Right, and you "know all about comics" also.
> >
> > In other words, once again, your imaginary victory is noted, Ash.
> Imaginary victory?
🙂
Faraway Star
Sep 19, 2023, 5:15:50 PM9/19/23
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Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:27:59 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:04:32 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> > > > I showed the title "Lying Michael Monkey's Guidelines Lie" to some professional and published writers
> > > Right, and you "know all about comics" also.
> > >
> > > In other words, once again, your imaginary victory is noted, Ash.
> > Imaginary victory?
> That's what it looks like from here, yes.
Exactly, so...
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:27:59 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:04:32 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> > > > I showed the title "Lying Michael Monkey's Guidelines Lie" to some professional and published writers
> > > Right, and you "know all about comics" also.
> > >
> > > In other words, once again, your imaginary victory is noted, Ash.
> > Imaginary victory?
> That's what it looks like from here, yes.
Will Dockery
Sep 20, 2023, 3:56:54 PM9/20/23
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On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>
> from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
>
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > >
> > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
>
> It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
>
> Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
>
> Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
>
> AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
>
> from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
>
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > >
> > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
>
> It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
>
> Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
>
> Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
>
> AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
>
> Of those who participated in the thread, two Bandar-Log (NastyGoon and the Asstroll) supported the proposed guidelines. Two others objected: Will Dockery, of course, who has consistently objected to others trying to limit his posts; but also Hieronymous Corey, who used to normally run with the Bandar-Log, but whose criticism in this case was scathing (though accurate):
>
> On January 22, 2021 at 1:36:34 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
> "Your guidelines look suspiciously like rules. It’s an imposition just to read them."
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>
> Other Bandar-Log took part in the thread, but confined their remarks to trolling Will. I did not participate; there was a "George Dunce" posting in the thread, which may have confused some, but surely not Lying Michael Monkey, as that is one of his sock accounts.
>
> That thread was apparently the entire "input" process, as another month of silence ensued. That was followed by the Monkey King's proclamation of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" in late February.
>
> AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs, Feb 26, 2021, 9:27:33 AM:
> "Welcome to AAPC – the “in place” for poets and poetry fans to hang out in the 21st century."
> [...]
> "AAPC is an unmoderated group, so pretty much anything goes.
> "But while we don’t have any official set of rules per se, here are some guidelines for getting along with your fellow AAPC members:"
> [...]
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>
> And that is the entire history of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES."
>
> <snip for focus>
>
> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> > > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> > >
> > Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included). Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
>
>
> Of those who participated in the thread, two Bandar-Log (NastyGoon and the Asstroll) supported the proposed guidelines. Two others objected: Will Dockery, of course, who has consistently objected to others trying to limit his posts; but also Hieronymous Corey, who used to normally run with the Bandar-Log, but whose criticism in this case was scathing (though accurate):
>
> On January 22, 2021 at 1:36:34 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
> "Your guidelines look suspiciously like rules. It’s an imposition just to read them."
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>
> Other Bandar-Log took part in the thread, but confined their remarks to trolling Will. I did not participate; there was a "George Dunce" posting in the thread, which may have confused some, but surely not Lying Michael Monkey, as that is one of his sock accounts.
>
> That thread was apparently the entire "input" process, as another month of silence ensued. That was followed by the Monkey King's proclamation of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES" in late February.
>
> AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs, Feb 26, 2021, 9:27:33 AM:
> "Welcome to AAPC – the “in place” for poets and poetry fans to hang out in the 21st century."
> [...]
> "AAPC is an unmoderated group, so pretty much anything goes.
> "But while we don’t have any official set of rules per se, here are some guidelines for getting along with your fellow AAPC members:"
> [...]
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8?hl=en
>
> And that is the entire history of the "AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES."
>
> <snip for focus>
>
> > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group has unlimited potential -- provided that everyone follows the guidelines. I just want to see it functioning at its fullest potential.
> > > Once again: all Michael Monkey wants is for "everyone" here to follow the "guidelines" that he made up for them. But he says he's not really a "control freak."
> > >
> > Once again, the Guidelines were written up with input from all of the members at the time (yourself included). Anyone who wanted to change any of the Guidelines, including those I'd originally come up with, was given ample opportunity to do so.
>
> As the above history shows, that claim is not true. Lying Michael Monkey wrote them up himself in January 2021. Not only is Lying Michael Monkey propagandizing (repeating the same claims over and over), but, since this claim of his is false, we can call it more. Lying Michael Monkey is Goebbelsing.
>
> <snip for focus>
So much for the bogus guidelines.
>
> <snip for focus>
(Reposted for new readers.)
General-Zod
Sep 25, 2023, 5:30:13 PM9/25/23
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Ash Wurthing
Sep 25, 2023, 5:47:17 PM9/25/23
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It is well put for someone who comes across as a failure as a formal writer!
First off, you and your fools demonstrate that you fail as writers, only to illiterate losers of the Losenet do guidelines lie-- but fail to said how they lie-- do they lie down or around, the readers will wonder about this written blunder. So much for "real" poetry wonder!
Second, make sure to not let the new reader learn that the new guidelines include the old FAQ-- which you promoted in opposition to the new guidelines when they were being drafted. You can thank me for getting them included. If the reader learns what you're trying to hide from them, they'll learn to be wary of anything you post, especially when they also learn that, despite being all about the correct record, your crew tampers with quote sections and other people's words to misrepresent or even outright alter what they said. And you know that matches the accusations of putting "words into people's mouths" or "speaking for them" that your friend always brays about and that is so wrong to do.
Faraway Star
Sep 25, 2023, 5:56:05 PM9/25/23
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Ha ha.
Will Dockery
Sep 26, 2023, 7:01:59 AM9/26/23
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🙂
Will Dockery
Sep 27, 2023, 8:21:54 AM9/27/23
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On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 5:30:13 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
🙂
General-Zod
Sep 28, 2023, 6:36:18 PM9/28/23
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Ash Wurthing
Sep 28, 2023, 7:05:21 PM9/28/23
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Will Dockery
Sep 28, 2023, 10:05:04 PM9/28/23
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On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:36:18 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
Will Dockery
Sep 29, 2023, 1:46:39 PM9/29/23
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HTH and HAND.
Ash Wurthing
Sep 29, 2023, 1:58:43 PM9/29/23
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Untruthful statements? Tell us what those untruthful statements were...
Will Dockery
Sep 30, 2023, 8:40:44 AM9/30/23
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On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:49:23 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
Note George Dance spelled "Goebbels" correctly ^^^^^^
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>
> > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
> > >
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > > >
> > > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> > >
> > > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
> > >
> > > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> > > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
> > >
> > > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
> > >
> > > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> > > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
>
> > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
> > >
> > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > > >
> > > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> > >
> > > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
> > >
> > > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> > > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
> > >
> > > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
> > >
> > > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> > > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
> > In 2019 there were no official guidelines.
> >
> > As you can see, the topic had come up and over the course of the next year, the Official AAPC Guidelines were discussed in various threads, drawn up, discussed, and amended -- until they reached their present form.
> No, Lying Michael; as we can see, you came up with "the topic" of guidelines in December, discussed them with NastyGoon and the Asstroll on one thread in January, and then posted them in "their present form" in February. No other discussion and no other input. You're Goebbelsing again.
^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > As you can see, the topic had come up and over the course of the next year, the Official AAPC Guidelines were discussed in various threads, drawn up, discussed, and amended -- until they reached their present form.
> No, Lying Michael; as we can see, you came up with "the topic" of guidelines in December, discussed them with NastyGoon and the Asstroll on one thread in January, and then posted them in "their present form" in February. No other discussion and no other input. You're Goebbelsing again.
Note George Dance spelled "Goebbels" correctly ^^^^^^
Ash Wurthing
Sep 30, 2023, 4:35:21 PM9/30/23
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Quit with the cowardly deflecting and substantiate your accusation against me prove yourself as you bray: "While you actually put the Geobbels quote into practice, ..." ~Will Dockery
Will Dockery
Sep 29, 2023, 1:46:39 PM (yesterday)
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 7:05:21 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
< What is pathetic, is that you fools cannot tell us how the rules lie-- do they lie down? Are they just lying/laying around? Lying over there or over yonder?
Posting untruthful statements.
How is my above statement an "untruthful statement"?
< What is pathetic, is that you fools cannot tell us how the rules lie-- do they lie down? Are they just lying/laying around? Lying over there or over yonder?
Posting untruthful statements.
Will Dockery
Oct 1, 2023, 9:25:23 AM10/1/23
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On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 4:35:21 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:40:44 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:49:23 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>
> > > > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> > > > >
> > > > > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
> > > > >
> > > > > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> > > > > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
> > > > >
> > > > > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
> > > > >
> > > > > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> > > > > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
> > > > In 2019 there were no official guidelines.
> > > >
> > > > As you can see, the topic had come up and over the course of the next year, the Official AAPC Guidelines were discussed in various threads, drawn up, discussed, and amended -- until they reached their present form.
> > > No, Lying Michael; as we can see.
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 8:40:44 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:49:23 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > > from https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/1gfG2EriUV4/m/W1LHyU0xAQAJ?hl=en
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 10:34:40 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:43:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>
> > > > > > > An unmoderated Usenet poetry discussion group will not work if the members don't adhere to a set of guidelines.
> > > > > > > Noted. Lying Michael doesn't want to "control" the members of aapc; he just wants to make them "adhere" to some "guidelines" he wrote up for them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > The Guidelines were written with input from all of the AAPC members at that time -- George "The Plagiarist" Dance included.
> > > > >
> > > > > It took me a few days to check this claim. One problem is that there have been so many guidelines here in the past few years: for the Sampler, the War Room, AYOS.... But the following, posted by Lyiing Michael Monkey on Christmas Day 2019, looks like the very first mention of AAPC guidelines for the entire newsgroup
> > > > >
> > > > > Re: The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe, December 25, 2019 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5
> > > > > "There are no official guidelines for the group, at present."
> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/LJilyVh7W5c/m/G10_imv5AgAJ?hl=en
> > > > >
> > > > > Then came four weeks of silence, followed by the posting of a complete set by the same Mr. Monkey:
> > > > >
> > > > > AAPC GLs / c&c, January 20, 2021 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-5:
> > > > > MMP: "Here is a rough draft of the projected Guidelines for AAPC. Please bear in mind that these are not hard and fast rules, but merely suggestions. Comments and suggestions are requested:"
> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/9rP3ex39UYg?hl=en
> > > > In 2019 there were no official guidelines.
> > > >
> > > > As you can see, the topic had come up and over the course of the next year, the Official AAPC Guidelines were discussed in various threads, drawn up, discussed, and amended -- until they reached their present form.
>
> tell us how the rules lie-- do they lie down? Are they just lying/laying around? Lying over there or over yonder?
>
> Posting untruthful statements.
> How is my above statement an "untruthful statement"?
You're confused, Ash. I was answering your question.
> tell us how the rules lie-- do they lie down? Are they just lying/laying around? Lying over there or over yonder?
>
> Posting untruthful statements.
> How is my above statement an "untruthful statement"?
A lie is an untruthful statement.
HTH and HAND.
Will Dockery
Oct 2, 2023, 1:35:20 PM10/2/23
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On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 6:36:18 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
Ash Wurthing
Oct 2, 2023, 2:21:42 PM10/2/23
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