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[George J. Dance]

postpoetry


although there's nothing left to say
we're gonna say it anyway
& if a reader doesn't read
we'll call him something we don't need
& if a critic calls it shit
we won't believe a word of it
& if a poet points that out
we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
about her frogs and trees and birds
so we won't have to read her words

or better yet let's write of war
and fill a page or two with gore
some reeking flesh a severed head
& maggots feasting on the dead
& if perchance that doesn't shock
let's add a line of fuck ass cock
motherfucker piss & shit
(who knows that just might pass for wit)

what else to do what else to say
when everything is mere cliche?
how else to make a reader feel
or think that what we say is real?
of course the whole idea is dumb
when we're as comfortably numb
but if we sweat through every motion
we may feel a real emotion –
at least it kills an hour or two
and we have nothing else to do.

~~
George J. Dance, 2007
from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015

[Zod Zodly]

Quite an interesting poem, G.D.

[George J. Dance]

Thanks, Zod. It's good to see some people still reading poetry here.

[Michael Pendragon]

Since Stink routinely pronounces 9 out of 10 poems "interesting," what makes you think that he read it at all?

[W.Dockery]

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-10-19 3:35 p.m., Zod Zodly wrote:
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>

>> Quite an interesting poem, G.D.


> Thanks, Zod. It's good to see some people still reading poetry here.

I'm reading the poetry but I also see that Senetto is obsessively creating Will Dockery troll threads, most of which I don't respond to.

In one of these you're correcting his lies and setting the record straight, I appreciate that.

You might remind Senetto that I don't usually post personal and private information about my friends and family here.

Thanks again, and have a good day.

🙂

[Michael Pendragon]

Funny how you've neglected to comment on the poem (which you claim to have read), but instead change the topic to... wait for it... Will Dockery.

[George J. Dance]

I also wanted to set the record straight on his "Nelly Black" thread,
reminding him that it was Michael Monkey Pendragon who equated your
music with the Beatles (with Ms Black's on a lower level). But I haven't
found the thread to cite. Perhaps you or Zod could find it for me?

> You might remind Senetto that I don't usually post personal and private
> information about my friends and family here.
>

I think it may come up. It does explain why he's post(edit)ing your
20-year-old conversations from rec.arts.poems.

> Thanks again, and have a good day.
>
> 🙂

Thank you, Will; same to you.

[Will Dockery]

In response to your boy Jim Senetto's latest flood of obsessive Will Dockery threads, Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

Why are you calling me "Monkey," George?

I have not called you any such names.

According to your "ethical" philosophy of "Tit for Tat," you should be treating me as I treat you.

Or have you abandoned your "ethics" for good old fashioned trolling?

[Will Dockery]

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 10:26:43 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:

You mean Pendragon's thread about Nelly Black, The Beatles, and so on?

[Spam-I-Am]

Another one bites the dust. Thread reported. No offense intended.

[George J. Dance]

Relax; I'll normally shorten it to "MMP" or "Michael".

> I have not called you any such names.
>

True. But you called Zod a name; and according to you he and I are on
the same team. So we're playing Team T4T (TT4T), by your choice.

> According to your "ethical" philosophy of "Tit for Tat," you should be treating me as I treat you.
>

According to my philosophy, sure, because I'm an individualist.
But "there's no I in team," as I'm sure you've heard. Teams are
collectives, and to be a team player one has to act like a collectivist.

> Or have you abandoned your "ethics" for good old fashioned trolling?

Only inside the game. It's no different from defending a position or a
person, in a debate, that one considers unethical.

>> music with the Beatles (with Ms Black's on a lower level). But I haven't
>> found the thread to cite. Perhaps you or Zod could find it for me?

Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?

[George J. Dance]

snip

>
> You mean Pendragon's thread about Nelly Black, The Beatles, and so on?

Yes, of course, that one. I don't have time to look for it, so I'm
asking others on the group if they can help.

[George J. Dance]

On 2022-10-19 3:35 p.m., Zod Zodly wrote:

Thanks, Zod. Let's talk about it.

Did you watch the video Spam-a-Lot posted on "Interpretive Voice" last
week? In case you missed it, I'll post it here. It's a good explanation
of one thing I was trying to do in this poem.


Identifying and interpreting a poet's voice
https://youtu.be/_sDW8J7D-kY

[Will Dockery]

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-10-20 11:02 a.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 10:26:43 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> On 2022-10-20 9:24 a.m., W.Dockery wrote:
>>>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>

>>>>> On 2022-10-19 3:35 p.m., Zod Zodly wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4,
>>>>>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Quite an interesting poem, G.D.
>>>>
>>>>

>>>>> Thanks, Zod. It's good to see some people still reading poetry here.
>>>>
>>>> I'm reading the poetry but I also see that Senetto is obsessively
>>>> creating Will Dockery troll threads, most of which I don't respond to.
>>>>
>>>> In one of these you're correcting his lies and setting the record
>>>> straight, I appreciate that.
>>> I also wanted to set the record straight on his "Nelly Black" thread,
>>> reminding him that it was Michael Monkey Pendragon who equated your
>>> music with the Beatles (with Ms Black's on a lower level). But I haven't
>>> found the thread to cite. Perhaps you or Zod could find it for me?

> snip

>>
>> You mean Pendragon's thread about Nelly Black, The Beatles, and so on?

> Yes, of course, that one. I don't have time to look for it, so I'm
> asking others on the group if they can help.

It spread out over a couple of threads so some of it should be archived.

Pendragon may have deleted his posts.

[George J. Dance]

On 2022-10-20 11:11 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
>
> Another one bites the dust. Thread reported. No offense intended.

Pity; we were just getting to that "Interpretive Voice" video you posted.

[Michael Pendragon]

In which case, such a response on your part can only mean that you consider yourself to be a member of Stink's team.

> > According to your "ethical" philosophy of "Tit for Tat," you should be treating me as I treat you.
> >
> According to my philosophy, sure, because I'm an individualist.
> But "there's no I in team," as I'm sure you've heard. Teams are
> collectives, and to be a team player one has to act like a collectivist.

Again, your behavior can only be justified by your perception that you are part of an actual team.

> > Or have you abandoned your "ethics" for good old fashioned trolling?
> Only inside the game. It's no different from defending a position or a
> person, in a debate, that one considers unethical.

IOW: My opinion that you had officially become a part of "Team Donkey" as correct.

> >> music with the Beatles (with Ms Black's on a lower level). But I haven't
> >> found the thread to cite. Perhaps you or Zod could find it for me?
> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?

No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.

I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral sensibilities).

[General-Zod]

Yes, I read most of the good poetry here...

[W.Dockery]

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 10:38:16 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-10-20 9:47 a.m., jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:43:53 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> >> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:34:08 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> On 2022-10-20 8:28 a.m., Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:02:28 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>> On 2022-10-19 8:50 p.m., Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 4:12:42 PM UTC-5, opb...@yahoo.com
> >>>>> wrote:> and you know… that over the years, I HAVE

<Troll snipped>

> >>>>> Why are you post-editing 20-year old conversations from rec.arts.poems,
> >>>>> Chimp?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Will Dockery...16 years ago
> >>>>
> >>>> "I consider myself, above all else, an entertainer, and many people do dig a
> >>>> kick-ass folk-rock performance.
> >>>>
> >>>> Musicians see what I'm all about and want a piece of that action, and I'm a
> >>>> free agent to bring my "special guest star" to anyone who calls my name, to
> >>>> climb onstage and reach into my bag of tricks.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's a great, bumpy and wild ride being Will Dockery, and I wouldn't trade
> >>>> it for all the world's gold."
> >>>>
> >>> He sounds like someone happy with his life. No wonder you envy and
> >>> resent him so.
> >> Nothing better

<Malicious lies and misrepresentations from Jim Senetto snipped>

> >> There is nothing else to know about Will Dockery.

As if you'd ever stop obsessing over me, Senetto?

> > actually, there's plenty of other explanations that are possible... perhaps he was grieving and was too sad and distressed to share the info here... or perhaps he felt that the info was too personal and wouldn't be recieved with sympathy and support in a group that is quite often toxic and malicious and nasty and mean spirited and hateful...
> Thank you, Jordy; those are all good hypotheses. But I'm afraid you left
> out the most obvious one:
>
> He didn't want ace reporter "Edward Rochester" post-editing his comments
> and putting them in a trollthread.

Well put, George.

(Moved from the troll thread.)

[W-Dockery]

As if Pastor Corey would have anything to add, anyway.

🙂

[Will Dockery]

I'll see if I can find one of the threads and bump it up.

:)

[George J. Dance]

No need now. He's given me a current quotation I can cite.

[W-Dockery]

I might look it up anyway, it's been years since I read the thread.

🙂

[Ash Wurthing]

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:

The quandary, do I firebomb or do I care not at all? This prose I can appreciate reading, so regardless of what anyone else does, I will leave this alone...

Shouldn't there be commas?

< some reeking flesh a severed head

[NancyGene]

George Dance repeats words and thoughts in his poems, saying the same thing over and over, in more and more lines. We would not have used "comfortably numb," but George did. We didn't like the use of an ampersand in the poem (six times). Lazy writing.

>
> Shouldn't there be commas?

George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.

> < some reeking flesh a severed head
> < what else to do what else to say

Maybe he could have written something that showed talent?

[Will Dockery]

Thanks for reposting the link, George, I hope to have time over the weekend to check it out.

🙂

[Ash Wurthing]

I figured it was a modern poetry style thing, to each his own and I will do like Pilate...

[Michael Pendragon]

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:

George's poem is an attempt at wit. Unfortunately, George thinks he's a whole lot funnier than he actually is.

The problem with George's poem (and with his poetry in general) isn't his lack of commas or punctuation, or even (arguably) repeated thoughts: it's that his thoughts are strictly middle of the road.

Even Will and his Stink's godawful Fragmentist poetry occasionally has an edge to individual portions of its disconnected babble. George's poetry, otoh, makes Hallmark cards seem cutting edge.

Don't get me wrong: George's poetry is always well-crafted and very well thought out (often too thought out). At his best, his poetry makes for a pleasant, and immediately forgotten, read. It's certainly a much more pleasant read than anything by the Donkey and his Stink.

There's just something missing from it. It lacks emotion, inventiveness, metaphor, bite, incisive observation... life of any sort.

Not even the incorporation of obscenities into his verses can infuse them with any hint of iconoclasm or rebelliousness. George's speaker is merely complaining about how others use those obscenities in a failed attempt to prove witty.

The basic idea is a good one: Although there is nothing new to say in poetry, the speaker is going to have his say all the same. If his words actually went on to say something new -- while skewering modern poetry in the process -- this might have been an instant classic.

But George really does have nothing left to say, and his poem makes some common observations and common complaints about poetry (and poetry writing) in general, before admitting that the writer is just attempting to pass some time.

George will say that I'm attacking his poetry out of spite. I'm not. I like George's poetry well enough, and I'm not trying to say that it's bad. It isn't. And I hope that George continues to write poetry for AYoS.

But I also feel that someone with George's particular talents should stay as far away from attempted wittiness as possible.

[Will Dockery]

I haven't had time yet, perhaps later today.

[Zod Zodly]

<...>

> >> I also wanted to set the record straight on his "Nelly Black" thread,
> >> reminding him that it was Michael Monkey Pendragon who equated your
> >> music with the Beatles (with Ms Black's on a lower level). But I haven't
> >> found the thread to cite. Perhaps you or Zod could find it for me?
> snip
> >
> > You mean Pendragon's thread about Nelly Black, The Beatles, and so on?
> Yes, of course, that one. I don't have time to look for it, so I'm
> asking others on the group if they can help.

Here is the , or one of the, discussions of Doc and The Beatles:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/o8t2xYy4KF8/m/fMlDkjlFBQAJ

On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 5:03:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 3:32:22 AM UTC-4, Rod Riprock Jr. wrote:
> > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 2:22:51 PM UTC-6, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Pendragon wrote in message
> >
> > > >> Okay, this is interesting...
> > > >
> > > > How many levels, grades or ratings do you have for art, music, poetry
> > > > (let's
> > > > just lump them all together as "art"), Pendragon?
> > > >
> > > > We know that The Beatles and myself rest on the "Decent" level.
> > > >
> > > > Pat Boone and Tiny Tim are at least one level higher, and that level is
> > > > call
> > > > what?
> > > >
> > > > Nelly Black is at least one level lower than The Beatles and me, what
> > > > level
> > > > is she on?
> > > >
> > > > Sandy Madaris I reckon you judge as the lowest on the totem pole, what
> > > > would
> > > > Sandy's level be named?
> > >
> > > If I had a scale, it would look something like this:
> > >
> > > 1) Great
> > > 2) Very Good
> > > 3) Good
> > > 4) Pretty Good
> > > 5) Decent
> > > 6) Passable
> > > 7) Mediocre/Average
> > > 8) Below Average/Subpar
> > > 9) Bad
> > > 10) Very Bad
> > > 11) Extremely Bad
> > > 12) Terrible
> > > 13) Horrendous
> > > 14) Bob Dylan Bad
> > >
> > > However, before your head starts swelling up any bigger, I should make a few
> > > clarifications:
> > >
> > > 1) Great
> > >
> > > On a purely vocal level, there are very few Great singers. A great singer
> > > requires a large vocal range, the ability to sustain notes, the ability to
> > > project, the ability to express emotions, while maintaining a distinctive
> > > sound, style, and personality.
> > >
> > > If I played someone a record by Elvis Presley, Nat "King" Cole, Frankie
> > > Laine, Frank Sinatra, Johnnie Ray, Doris Day, Johnny Mathis, Bill Kenny,
> > > Mario Lanza, Jane Monheit, Crystal Gayle, Pat Boone, Kay Starr, Patsy Cline,
> > > Georgia Gibbs, Judy Garland, Bing Crosby, Thurl Ravenscroft, Eddie Fisher,
> > > Tiny Tim, Vaughn Monroe, Sarah Vaughan, Al Jolson, Tony Bennett, Jim Reeves,
> > > Teresa Brewer, Shirley Bassey, Connie Francis, Dean Martin, Dion and other
> > > greats, they would recognize them -- even if they'd never heard the song
> > > before. That's what makes them great.
> > >
> > > 2) Very Good
> > >
> > > Most *successful* singers fall under the Very Good category. These singers
> > > have flawless voices and enough vocal personality that one can sometimes
> > > recognize them; or they have recognizable, though somewhat limited or flawed
> > > voices. Dinah Shore, Patti Page, Guy Mitchell, Vic Damone, Perry Como, Andy
> > > Williams, Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, Gogi Grant, Kate Smith, Joni
> > > James, Jane Morgan, Jaye P. Morgan, Anita Bryant, Leslie Uggams, Jimmy
> > > Durante, Louis Armstrong, Sammy Davis Jr. and many others.
> > >
> > > Note: These are all truly wonderful singers, and among my favorites. They
> > > simply fall slightly short (for one or more reasons) of the Greats.
> > >
> > > 3) Good
> > >
> > > Good singers are fairly successful and highly talented, but lack definable
> > > vocal characteristics in terms of vocal personality and style. Rosemary
> > > Clooney, Johnny Desmond, Evelyn Knight, Margaret Whiting, June Valli, Eydie
> > > Gorme, Alan Dale, Jerry Vale, etc.
> > >
> > > 4) Pretty Good
> > >
> > > Pretty Good singers don't quite cut it. They might have some great records,
> > > but it's not due more to the song and the arrangement than to their vocal
> > > talents. Pretty good singers didn't last long where the standards are
> > > concerned. Mike Douglas and Merv Griffin were pretty good big band
> > > vocalists, but they're better remembered for their work as talk show hosts.
> > > The majority of r'n'r singers, however, fall into this category. Again,
> > > this is not to diminish their accomplishments and/or talents in any way, but
> > > is simply an acknowledgement that the r'n'r form demands less from the
> > > vocalist: Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino, Chuck
> > > Berry, et al., were all pretty good singers. The same holds for the lead
> > > singers of most successful later groups: Jim Morrison, John Fogerty, Eric
> > > Burdon, Roger Waters, et al.
> > >
> > > 5) Decent
> > >
> > > In the world of standards, there are no Decent singers. They wouldn't have
> > > gotten a record deal, or a spot with a big band or a radio program.
> > >
> > > In the rock/post-rock era, they are legion. Decent means that while I won't
> > > change the channel because of the singer's voice, I'm not listening because
> > > of it, either.
> > >
> > > Son Bono was a decent singer. Cher is very good.
> > >
> > > 6) Passable/Mediocre/Average
> > >
> > > A passable singer could sing at an open mic without getting booed off the
> > > stage. An average singer can sing in key, carry a tune, and hold their end
> > > notes for an acceptable amount. However, there is nothing even remotely
> > > unique or memorable about their voice/style/approach.
> > >
> > > The remaining categories represent successive degrees of badness:
> > >
> > > 7) Below Average/Subpar
> > >
> > > As the header says, below average. I couldn't sit through an entire song by
> > > them. They may sing a little sharp or flat, or hit an occasional sour note,
> > > have a weak delivery, etc. Think Nelly Black.
> > >
> > > 8) Bad
> > >
> > > I'd leave after the first 5 seconds. Michael Jackson.
> > >
> > > That's a joke. MJ can sing in key. Sandy the Screech Owl Madaris is bad.
> > >
> > > 9) Very Bad
> > >
> > > I'd stick my fingers in my ears at the first note.
> > >
> > > Name the lead singer of virtually any metal band or rap group. I find the
> > > growling, grunting, and barking to be extremely displeasing, but I don't
> > > experience any actual physical pain from it.
> > >
> > > 10) Extremely Bad
> > >
> > > I'd stick my fingers in my ears at the first note and run. The Bee Gees,
> > > Andy Gibb, Shaun Cassidy, disco in general.
> > >
> > > Falsetto (disco style) is like nails on a chalkboard to me.
> > >
> > > 12) Horrendous
> > >
> > > I'd scream, stick my fingers in my ears at the first note, run, and be
> > > emotionally scarred for life. Janis Joplin and Joe Cocker, for example.
> > >
> > > 13) Bob Dylan Bad
> > >
> > > I'd rather ram knitting needles into my eardrums than listen to his
> > > whiny-assed voice.
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Found in the archives, of interest...
> >
> > Interesting........
> The earlier post is, as well:
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> It came from the "She Sleeps Tight" thread, an example:
>
> "Michael Pendragon" wrote in message
> news:8996658e-710a-447a...@googlegroups.com...
>
> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 8:36:47 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 6:21:27 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 9:56:56 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > Since the topic of the vocal talent of Sandy Madaris came up
> > > > > > > yesterday, here is one of her duets with me, so the listeners
> > > > > > > can judge for themselves:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LetBCcfrb8
> >
> > > > > > > Way Back Home" by Sandy Madaris, written with Luke Powers,
> > > > > > > produced by Tommy Spurlock. From the CD Way Back Home.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > she's a screamer..tell her I told you
> > > > >
> > > > > We agree. and when she's not screaming, she's shrieking. Will, tell
> > > > > her to take it back to the privacy of her own bedroom.
> > > >
> > > > NG...
> > > >
> > > > If you actually had listened to the recording, you'd know that your
> > > > statement about Sandy is false.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to critique, fine, but at least review, or at least
> > > > listen, to the work first?
> > >
> > > We did critiques in another thread. She does not have a singing voice
> > > that belongs on the stage or anywhere actually. Another old person
> > > looking to claim some fame in the amateur nights.
> >
> > I can't argue with an honest opinion, although I must say I don't often
> > hear any pans of Sandy's talent.
> >
> > But art is subjective, after all. The least you can do, I would hoe, is
> > provide a link to the recordings, so readers can listen and form their own
> > opinions, NG.
> >
>
> She's a really bad singer, Will. Not terrible, mind you ... but really bad.
>
> And I think you should know by now that my critiques are unbiased.
>
> I think you have a decent voice, and have said so in the past. You can stay
> in key. She can't. Your voice has a nice timbre to it (once one gets past
> their initial reaction to the damage from 40 years of chain-smoking), it's
> not bad. It's not good, either (you mostly just talk-sing, rarely attempt
> to carry a tune, and can't hold an end note to save your life), but you rate
> a solid decent.
>
> Nelly Black's voice is okay ... if she's singing at a church social, or ...
> on open mic night at the local bar. She can stay in key, and has a nice
> sounding, but fatally weak, voice. "Okay" is a notch below "decent," so
> you've got her beat as well ... though not by much.
>
> Sandy Madaris is, no doubt, a very nice woman. But she has no more vocal
> talent than ... I do. She may even be a worse ... although I'm not in a
> position to judge.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/o8t2xYy4KF8/m/fMlDkjlFBQAJ

Here is one of the conversations on the Beatles and Doc ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Quite interesting...!

[W.Dockery]

> I'm not sitting here wishing for your death,
> but I do wish you'd learn to hold your breath.
> It's so obnoxious, the dead are awake.
> Your teeth are a hammer, your tongue a snake.
> All of the shit that comes out of your mouth
> smells like it came from the hole that's down south.

Pretty good poetry, Robert.

Welcome back.

🙂

[W.Dockery]

> This prose I can appreciate reading, so regardless of what anyone else does, I will leave this alone...

That's a good step towards peace, Ash.

🙂

[Michael Pendragon]

Everything I write is interesting, Stink. But do you really think that a rating of "Decent" is complimentary to the Donkey?

[General-Zod]

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:29:45 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-10-20 11:02 a.m., Will Dockery wrote:

>> >>> creating Will Dockery troll threads, most of which I don't respond to..

>> >>>
>> >>> In one of these you're correcting his lies and setting the record
>> >>> straight, I appreciate that.
>> >> I also wanted to set the record straight on his "Nelly Black" thread,
>> >> reminding him that it was Michael Monkey Pendragon who equated your
>> >> music with the Beatles (with Ms Black's on a lower level). But I haven't
>> >> found the thread to cite. Perhaps you or Zod could find it for me?
>> snip
>> >
>> > You mean Pendragon's thread about Nelly Black, The Beatles, and so on?
>> Yes, of course, that one. I don't have time to look for it, so I'm
>> asking others on the group if they can help.

> I haven't had time yet, perhaps later today.

I shall have a look...!

[George J. Dance]

D'uh ... for three weeks now. "Team Donkey," remember?

>>> According to your "ethical" philosophy of "Tit for Tat," you should be treating me as I treat you.
>>>
>> According to my philosophy, sure, because I'm an individualist.
>> But "there's no I in team," as I'm sure you've heard. Teams are
>> collectives, and to be a team player one has to act like a collectivist.
>
> Again, your behavior can only be justified by your perception that you are part of an actual team.
>

I'm playing on a team. So? So are you.

>>> Or have you abandoned your "ethics" for good old fashioned trolling?
>> Only inside the game. It's no different from defending a position or a
>> person, in a debate, that one considers unethical.
>
> IOW: My opinion that you had officially become a part of "Team Donkey" as correct.
>

It's been true for the last three weeks, anyway.

>>>> music with the Beatles (with Ms Black's on a lower level). But I haven't
>>>> found the thread to cite. Perhaps you or Zod could find it for me?
>> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
>> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
>
> No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.
>
> I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral sensibilities).
>

Thank you. That's exactly what I wanted: what you actually said, and the
fact that you said it.

You know that there's a recently-opened thread pretending that Will had
put his music on the same level as the Beatles. Now, thanks to your
help, I can set that part of the record straight.

[George J. Dance]

There is a third option; contribute to the poetry discussion. I'm not
going to demand you write a critique, the way MMP is demanding it from
Will and Zod, but at least you could show it to "Anon" et al and get me
some feedback.

I won't promise to change "pp", but I will promise to read whatever you
bring me and try to learn from it.

>
> Shouldn't there be commas?
> < some reeking flesh a severed head
> < what else to do what else to say

I wanted to cut all punctuation; it's part of a style I use when I write
in a certain poetic voice -- no caps, numerals for numbers, no
punctuation if possible. I couldn't cut the question marks or the dash,
but the internal commas aren't all that missed; the lines are perfectly
readable without them.

[George J. Dance]

> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.

It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
speaker of the poem needs.

Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
teacher we once had here:

"Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."

[George J. Dance]

On 2022-10-21 5:44 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
>
Well, look what the Chimp dragged in.

>
> I'm not sitting here wishing for your death,
> but I do wish you'd learn to hold your breath.
> It's so obnoxious, the dead are awake.
> Your teeth are a hammer, your tongue a snake.
> All of the shit that comes out of your mouth
> smells like it came from the hole that's down south.
>

Thanks for the OB-thing.

[W-Dockery]

>> > > > Note: These are all truly wonderful singers, and among my favorites.. They

> But do you really think that a rating of "Decent" is complimentary

Being on the level of The Beatles definitely is.

[Coco DeSockmonkey]

Not at all, George. Your paranoia has finally gotten the better of you.

> >>> Or have you abandoned your "ethics" for good old fashioned trolling?
> >> Only inside the game. It's no different from defending a position or a
> >> person, in a debate, that one considers unethical.
> >
> > IOW: My opinion that you had officially become a part of "Team Donkey" as correct.
> >
> It's been true for the last three weeks, anyway.

If so, you sure picked the wrong side.

> >>>> music with the Beatles (with Ms Black's on a lower level). But I haven't
> >>>> found the thread to cite. Perhaps you or Zod could find it for me?
> >> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
> >> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
> >
> > No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.
> >
> > I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral sensibilities).
> >
> Thank you. That's exactly what I wanted: what you actually said, and the
> fact that you said it.
>
> You know that there's a recently-opened thread pretending that Will had
> put his music on the same level as the Beatles. Now, thanks to your
> help, I can set that part of the record straight.

Unfortunately (for you), that's how the Donkey actually took it. (See his response, below.)

[Coco DeSockmonkey]

Too bad, George. Like I said, the Donkey is undermining your attempt to protect his (cough!) reputation.

[Will Dockery]

>> >> > > > > We know that The Beatles and myself rest on the "Decent" level..

You're clueless about The Beatles, that's what we're seeing here.

🙂

[Ilya Shambat]

A good one.

[NancyGene]

The speaker in your poem is not "a muse." If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem? You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands. Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?

>
> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> teacher we once had here:
>
> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."

That saying has been used too much here. The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.

[Michael Pendragon]

My daughter needs a new phonograph.
She wore out all the needles.
Besides, I broke the old one in half.
I hate the Beatles.

She says they have a Liverpool beat.
She says they used to play there.
Four nice kids from offa the street.
Why didn't they stay there?

What is all the screaming about?
Fainting and swooning.
Sounds to me like their guitars
Could use a little tuning.

The boys are from the British Empire.
The British think they're keen.
If that is what the British desire,
God Save The Queen.

No daughter of mine can push me around.
In my home I'm the master.
But when the British come to town,
Gad, what a disaster.

Little girls in sneakers and jeans.
Destroyed the territory.
'Twas like some of the gorier scenes
From The West Side Story.

Of course my daughter had to go there.
The tickets are cheap, she hollers.
I was able to pick up a pair
For forty-seven dollars.

When the Beatles come on stage,
They scream and shriek and cheer them.
Now I know why they're such a rage,
It's impossible to hear them.

Ringo is the one with the drum,
The others all play with him.
It shows you what a boy can become
Without a sense of rhythm.

There's Beatle book and T-shirts and rings,
And one thing and another.
To buy my daughter all of those things,
I had to sell her brother.

Back in 1776
We fought the British then, folks.
Parents of America,
It's time to do it again, folks.

When they come back, here's how we'll begin,
We'll throw 'em in Boston harbor.
But please, before we toss 'em all in,
Let's take 'em to a barber.

-- Allan Sherman, "Pop Hates the Beatles."

[Will Dockery]

NancyGene wrote:

> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:

>> > George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>> speaker of the poem needs.

> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse." If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem? You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands. Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>>
>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> teacher we once had here:
>>
>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> That saying has been used too much here. The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.

Obviously Karla's statement hasn't been used enough, since some, like you, still haven't learned it, NancyGene.

HTH and HAND.

[NancyGene]

George Dance is about as funny as reading the dictionary.

>
> The problem with George's poem (and with his poetry in general) isn't his lack of commas or punctuation, or even (arguably) repeated thoughts: it's that his thoughts are strictly middle of the road.

He hasn't even gone down the road. His thoughts are staid, boring and lack creativity.

>
> Even Will and his Stink's godawful Fragmentist poetry occasionally has an edge to individual portions of its disconnected babble. George's poetry, otoh, makes Hallmark cards seem cutting edge.

He needs to take a trip under the covers for inspiration.

>
> Don't get me wrong: George's poetry is always well-crafted and very well thought out (often too thought out). At his best, his poetry makes for a pleasant, and immediately forgotten, read. It's certainly a much more pleasant read than anything by the Donkey and his Stink.

It's dull. With the "pleasant," you are bringing up the image that the world has of Canadians, which equals "polite."

>
> There's just something missing from it. It lacks emotion, inventiveness, metaphor, bite, incisive observation... life of any sort.

It's as if a machine wrote it.

>
> Not even the incorporation of obscenities into his verses can infuse them with any hint of iconoclasm or rebelliousness. George's speaker is merely complaining about how others use those obscenities in a failed attempt to prove witty.

And it went "thunk."

>
> The basic idea is a good one: Although there is nothing new to say in poetry, the speaker is going to have his say all the same. If his words actually went on to say something new -- while skewering modern poetry in the process -- this might have been an instant classic.

No, not a chance.

>
> But George really does have nothing left to say, and his poem makes some common observations and common complaints about poetry (and poetry writing) in general, before admitting that the writer is just attempting to pass some time.

Filling a page in his book of leaden poetry.

> George will say that I'm attacking his poetry out of spite. I'm not. I like George's poetry well enough, and I'm not trying to say that it's bad. It isn't. And I hope that George continues to write poetry for AYoS.
>
> But I also feel that someone with George's particular talents should stay as far away from attempted wittiness as possible.

He has an audience of two, and those would not understand wit even if they had stayed in school an extra 50 years.

[Zod Zodly]

You have nailed it once again G.D...!

[George J. Dance]

I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
muse?

> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?

Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.

> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.

It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.

> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?

No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.

>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> teacher we once had here:
>>
>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> That saying has been used too much here.

Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.

> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.

Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.

[Michael Pendragon]

Should she have?

[George J. Dance]

You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.

[NancyGene]

George Dance, you again have not understood double meaning in comments. Open your mind to other possibilities! We are talking about both the lack of a muse in your writing and the fact that your writing is not amusing. Mensa is going to take back your Junior Ranger Badge.

> > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.

Lazy writing, posing as something profound, that comes off as pretentious.

> > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.

We know that the ampersand is pronounced "AM per sand." If we were transcribing your poem from the spoken word, we would write "and" when "and" was said. Writing "&" six times in a poem serves no purpose in the poem and does not showcase the poet's talents.

> > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > >> teacher we once had here:
> > >>
> > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > That saying has been used too much here.
> > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.

Did we dance with Jesus? Did Jim buy God three beers?

> > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.

We are saying that whether or not it is your voice in the poem, it is still your attempt to be creative. You get low marks for that.

> Should she have?
It probably had its genesis with someone else's poem or idea, but we don't care to look for a similar poem. We know that no one would steal it in its current form.

[Coco DeSockmonkey]

I'm not on a team, George.

And plagiarism isn't a matter of opinion.

[Will Dockery]

What, the little monkey has cold feet already?

[Michael Pendragon]

I'm not at war with George, Donkey.

I am at war with you.

You aren't going to have as many allies to use as human shields.

Deal with it.

[Will Dockery]

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:

NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember.

🙂

[W.Dockery]

That's actually good news.

🙂

[W-Dockery]

> I'm not on a team

Yet you're the one who came up with the idea.

🙂

[Will Dockery]

> I am at war with you

That's old news, little monkey, as George Dance explained:

**********************************************

> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 8:06 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>

>> I think the biggest lie is that there is a 'cease-fire'. As you know,
>> Pendragon hasn't stopped fighting; he's merely decided to concentrate
>> his fighting with one target only. He's explained it:
>>
>> "> If everyone in AAPC fights with Will, then Will comes across as
>> either a troll, or (at best) someone who doesn't fit in with the rest of
>> the group. OTOH, if the majority of AAPC members attack Will, Rachel,
>> Zod, GD, Jordy's Creepy Uncle, PJR, Ilya, and others, Will can pretend
>> that he and his "friends" are being unfairly attacked/trolled by a group
>> of cyberbullies."
>>
>> IOW, if a gang of bullies tries attacking a bunch of kids, they'll look
>> like a gang of bullies; but if they just attack one person, it'll look
>> like that one person's fault.
> --George Dance

> *********************************************************************

And so it goes.

[Ash Wurthing]

Talk about obsessing! This is all Will and Zod talk about, about NG's errors and someone else's apostrophes-- I think they're OCD or rabid.
And this high 'n mighty act from Mr. Edgar Polland of the auto-correct notoriety!
The whippin' fools makin' a mighty sordid show of their last years!

[Edward Rochester Esq.]

Dockery has lived as and will die known as, a brain fart.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[Will Dockery]

You have that backwards again, Ash.

HTH and HAND.

[Ash Wurthing]

So you say but who's believing you...

[Zod]

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:

> Dockery has lived as and will die

And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?

[Michael Pendragon]

You're the only one obsessed with Will Donkey, Stink.

The rest of us just wish you both were gone.

Die Stink, die.
Stop stinking up the place
Cover your ugly face
With sod so foul that only brambles dare
Take root atop its filth. Your grizzled hair
Long home to ticks and fleas
Shall be the straw where graveworms make their bed;
The earth repels you like some rank disease
The sun shines brighter knowing that you're dead
And songbird choirs echo "Die Stink, die."

[W.Dockery]

It's in the archives, look it up.

🙂

[W-Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 5:15:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
>> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> > > > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:

>> > > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember..

>> >
>> > Dockery has lived as and will die
>> And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?

> You're the only one obsessed

Bullshit, or rather, monkey shit, from Michael Pendragon, noted.

🙂

with

[General-Zod]

Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along....

[Michael Pendragon]

Come on, Donkey. Stink sniffs after your ever post -- with his tongue hanging out and ready to slurp.

[Will Dockery]

Only in your fantasies, little monkey

HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

It's in the archives, Donkey. Time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and 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[Will Dockery]

Except, of course, the shit spewing little monkey obviously doesn't want peace.

And so it goes.

[Ash Wurthing]

Profound, it staggers the mind...

[Ash Wurthing]

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:52:43 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:

Oh, really, which of my inner demons died and make him my war chieftain?
sorry not sorry, the gallery couldn't resist

[Will Dockery]

I'm not interested in your personal life, Ash.

HTH and HAND.

[W-Dockery]

>> > > >> > > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..

>> > > >> > > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>> > > >> > > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> > > >> > > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> > > >> > > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>> > > >> > > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> > > >> > > > > >> teacher we once had here:
>> > > >> > > > > >>
>> > > >> > > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> > > >> > > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
>> > > >> > > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>> > > >> > > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.

>> > > >> > > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..

>> > > >> > > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember..
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Dockery has lived as and will die
>> > > >> And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?
>> > >
>> > > > You're the only one obsessed
>> > > Bullshit, or rather, monkey shit, from Michael Pendragon, noted.
>> > Come on, Donkey. Stink sniffs after your ever post -- with his tongue hanging out and ready to slurp.
>> Only in your fantasies, little monkey
>
> It's in the archives

Your fantasies?

Yes:

> Time and time and time and time and time

<Snipped for brevity>

> time and time again.

No doubt.

🙂

[Michael Pendragon]

It's common knowledge that Stink's nose is permanently attached to your rump.

That's why you brought him here. Remember?


Michael Pendragon
"I'm talking about animal spirts."
-- Will Donkey, discussing his alternative to drinking Red Bull.

[W-Dockery]

<Snip>

> It's common knowledge

About your fantasies?

We know.

🙂

[Zod]

Wow, looks like a Pendragon melt down...!

[Michael Pendragon]

I underestimated, didn't I?


Michael Pendragon
"Memories... pressed between the pages just like fine wine...…........"
-- George "Stink" Sulzbach, career pissbum

[Will Dockery]

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 3:07:48 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:

I know, right?

🙂

[Ash Wurthing]

Well, trying to talk to you while you're so obviously confused is a futile endeavor, so you shall have to suffer what you chose to so foolishly ignore...
But later after I tend to much more constructive matters. Despite your fantasizing about inferior me obsessing over you attention seeking carcass, you actually rate pretty low on my priority scale.

[Will Dockery]

When I'm obviously not interested?

We know.

:)

[Ash Wurthing]

No it's obvious that you're obsessed, always so quick to sniff behind my posts and make a big deal of not caring about my so called "personal business"-- you don't know how many are snickering over that lack of understanding on your part... it wasn't business business, if you had half a wit.

[General-Zod]

>> > > > > >>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for..

>> > > > > >>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>> > > > > >>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>> > > > > >>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> > > > > >>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> > > > > >>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>> > > > > >>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> > > > > >>>>> teacher we once had here:
>> > > > > >>>>>
>> > > > > >>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> > > > > >>>> That saying has been used too much here.
>> > > > > >>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>> > > > > >>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>> > > > > >>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Should she have?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.

>> > > > > Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along.....

>> > > > Oh, really, which of my inner demons died
>> > > I'm not interested in your personal life, Ash.
>> > Well, trying to talk to you while you're so obviously
>> When I'm obviously not interested?
>>
>> We know.

> No it's obvious that you're obsessed

You are doing what is known as "projecting", Ash, since YOU are clearly the obsessed one...

LOOK it UP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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Psychological projection is the process of misinterpreting what is "inside" as coming from "outside".[1] It forms the basis of empathy by the projection of personal experiences to understand someone else's subjective world.[1] In its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing untold interpersonal damage.[2] A bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target, or a person who is confused may project feelings of confusion and inadequacy onto other people. Projection incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping.[3] Projection has been described as an early phase of introjection.

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[Michael Pendragon]

No one is obsessed with you, Donkey (General Stink excepted). We're sick to death of you. We only mention you at all because you bombard us with 100+ spam/troll posts a day.

If you were to die tomorrow (And may it please the gods to grant it!), you would not be missed. We'd throw a small celebration, and laugh about it for a couple of days, after which you'd simply be remembered much as the late, unlamented Pickles -- as an asshole we no longer have to deal with.

That is the sum total of your legacy,


Michael Pendragon
"Spenser definitely has grown on me, since I began viewing him as a figure that Terry Gilliam or Monty Python might come across in, say, Jabberwocky or The Holy Grail."
-- Will Dockery, demonstrating why he never made it through 8th grade… the second time.

[Will Dockery]

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:52:43 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:

Pendragon never wanted peace, he's admitted that.

And so it goes.

[W-Dockery]

Nailed it.

[Will Dockery]

Zod Zodly wrote:

> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 1:34:28 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-10-19 9:36 p.m., Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
>>
>> > "We know that The Beatles and myself rest on the "Decent" level.
>> >
>> > Nelly Black is at least one level lower than The Beatles and me"
>> Good to see ace reporter "Edward Rochester Esq." is back, with another
>> fake story for NGBS.
>>
>> In fact, it was MMP who placed Will and the Beatles on the same level,
>> with Nelly Black lower down. He confirmed that.
>>
>> <quote>
>> On 2022-10-20 11:59 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4,
>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
>> >> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
>> >
>> > No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.
>> >
>> > I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I
>> don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral
>> sensibilities).
>> </quote>
>>
>> MMP's entitled to his opinion. Some people don't like the Beatles; hell,
>> some don't even like the Bells! There's no accounting for taste.
>>
>> What isn't fine is your pretending Will had made that comment, when he
>> was just repeating MMP's statement. You're lying, just for fun. I think
>> you should stop, for your own good.
>>
>> Think about it: When you tell lies about Will that everyone knows are
>> lies, how do you expect any of them to believe you when they don't know?
>> Why should they take the word of a habitual liar?

> Of course never mind the clueless ignorance Pen shows when he declares the BEATLES to be merely "decent"...

> And no offense to Doc, I'm sure he is aware of the humor in such an absurd judgement from Pen..


No offense taken, Zod, Pendragon put me on the level of The Beatles, I'd never considered myself a peer of four of the most talented artists of all time.

🙂

[W.Dockery]

>> >> > > > > >>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..

>> >> > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > >> Should she have?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
>> >> > > > > Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along.....
>> >> > > > Oh, really, which of my inner demons died
>> >> > > I'm not interested in your personal life, Ash.
>> >> > Well, trying to talk to you while you're so obviously
>> >> When I'm obviously not interested?
>> >>
>> >> We know.
>>
>> > No it's obvious that you're obsessed
>> You are doing what is known as "projecting", Ash, since YOU are clearly the obsessed one...
>>
>> LOOK it UP.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
>>
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>> Psychological projection is the process of misinterpreting what is "inside" as coming from "outside".[1] It forms the basis of empathy by the projection of personal experiences to understand someone else's subjective world.[1] In its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing untold interpersonal damage.[2] A bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target, or a person who is confused may project feelings of confusion and inadequacy onto other people. Projection incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping..[3] Projection has been described as an early phase of introjection.

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> No one is obsessed with you

I don't expect you to admit it, Pendragon, you whining little monkey.

🙂

[General-Zod]

Hilariously, Pen puts Tiny TIM and PAT Boone at the top level, way above the BEATLES....!!

[Michael Pendragon]

Which of the Beatles has Tiny Tim's range, Stinkbum? Which of the Beatles has an immediately recognizable voice like Pat Boone?

Hell I can't tell one Beatle's voice from another's. Can you?

[Will Dockery]

Each Beatle has a very distinctive voice, you probably haven't listened to many of their songs, Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 9:37:09 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Each Beatle has a very distinctive voice, you probably haven't listened to many of their songs, Pendragon.

Every voice is unique, Donkey. But the Beatles' voices are not so unique that one can immediately recognize them. For example: anyone can immediately recognize Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, or Elvis Presley.

Only die-hard Beatles fans are going to recognize Paul McCartney or John Lennon.

They're simply not on that level -- vocally.

[Will Dockery]

You're clueless, Pendragon.

Lennon and McCartney had very distinctive voices.

HTH and HAND.

[Coco DeSockmonkey]

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 10:30:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> You're clueless, Pendragon.
>
> Lennon and McCartney had very distinctive voices.

If someone played an unreleased tape of John Lennon singing "Happy Birthday to You" without any attribution, most people would fail to identify the singer.

[Will Dockery]

I don't agree, John Lennon had a very distinctive voice, as does Paul McCartney.

[W-Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:

>> >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:

>> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> >> teacher we once had here:
>> >>
>> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> > That saying has been used too much here.
>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.

> Should she have?

That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.

[Ash Wurthing]

My, my, Zod getting all fancy with attribution-- for he can't word it for himself!
Wasn't he one of the whiners going on about amateur pyschological diagnoses? While he was at Wikipedia, he shoulda also looked up hypocrisy!

"I know words. I have the best words."
General Zod, Will Dockery and Donald Trump

If it pleases the gods to grant it
It would satisfy me to see an end to Dockey's shit
For poetry, he is obviously unfit
he's here merely for the tat to the tit
Apparently he can't get any breast play any other way!
It seems to me that this entertains the gods
to subject all of us to Will and Zod
so I must get to work for I still owe my god.

I do not know you, whether you're vile or just erstwhile; but I believe that you do not possess the means, the
wiles to make real what you conceive...
And I'm sure you're outstanding to those that bought into what you bandy about. But the truth be told, I'm not
sold and I have doubts about what you rant about. So stop your insufferable shouting, you're just outing
yourself to be an loud mouthed lout.
(An Ode to the Fuck No to my Foes)

I see Zod sold his soul for musical taste superiority.
Hmmm, the uncool kid whining about being picked upon, but acting like a musical taste bigot himself. How even the lowly can fall to the call of their pride, too bad I couldn't count that as notch for me...

So many scars upon my fingers, their pain will always linger
a carved notch for every heinous deed, lest I forget,
and one carved on my wrist to my love called Regret
So when asked by those who would inquire so gingerly
I tell them that they're just work place injuries

And sWilly projecting about personal business...
Telling him that I will stop warring by my own decision and not someone else's isn't personal business but he doesn't care because he wants war, as he said I keep things in the group, that he apparently appreciates, moving...

Now this is personal business:
"My church is black, my Christ is cold
My cross is pale, all hope is gone
My church is black, my Christ is cold
My cross is pale, hell is my home
My church is black, my blood runs cold
The sun don't shine for me no more
Black is the moon, cold is the sun
Sing hallelujah, no Kingdom come"
--'My Church is Black' ~~Me and That Man

The mockery that is Dockery
all this deflection, projection and sockery
And I sold my soul for the lol
So as the "great" Dockery blows, it must go
so graciously, he keeps me gainfully employed