To PV's fans
Just passing by
> JPB's obsession
> with defending anti-Semites who argue that no Jews were murdered
> in Dachau, because 'Dachau was not a death-camp for Jews.'
Anyone want to win some money from PV? Ask him to show the URL to the
post in which I made any reference to the above about Dachau. Ask him
to show where I have ever even mentioned Dachau, or been involved in
any discussion about it. Bet him as much money as you like, that he
can't find any such URL, and I guarantee that you will win his money.
The man's insanity gets worse with each passing day.
And when no such URL can be found, I would be interested in seeing the
views of his fans about what he wrote above .... but I won't be
holding my breath waiting for them.
(Apologies for the repost from the "Desi suggests culling of
Indonesians" thread, but this one warranted it)
John Rennie
"Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:21b1da28.03091...@posting.google.com...
It's all a matter of semantics: Thousands of prisoners all races
and beliefs died at Dachau but it was not a death camp. It was
a concentration camp created to imprison dissidents which
included Jews and put them to work. As the following URl
says about a third of those who died there were Jews. Nev
aroused PV's ire when he said that you couldn't call Dachau
a Jewish death camp because the majority who died there
were not Jews. As I said, it just semantics.
Just passing by
That is all very interesting, but what has any of it to do with me?
Where do I come into this:
> > > JPB's obsession
> > > with defending anti-Semites who argue that no Jews were murdered
> > > in Dachau, because 'Dachau was not a death-camp for Jews.'
???
John Rennie
I dunno. Just thought I'd explain how the Dachau issue arose. Perhaps
inadvertantly you mught have agreed with something Nev said. If so
you had obviously joined the ranks of the anti-Christ from that moment.
But I'm just speculating.
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<r8lfmvktkdtjo4qdh...@4ax.com>...
>
>
>> JPB's obsession
>> with defending anti-Semites who argue that no Jews were murdered
>> in Dachau, because 'Dachau was not a death-camp for Jews.'
>
>Anyone want to win some money from PV? Ask him to show the URL to the
>post in which I made any reference to the above about Dachau. Ask him
>to show where I have ever even mentioned Dachau, or been involved in
>any discussion about it. Bet him as much money as you like, that he
>can't find any such URL, and I guarantee that you will win his money.
>The man's insanity gets worse with each passing day.
>
Anyone want to win any money from JPB? Ask him for the URL
where I have ever said HE made a reference to Dachau.
Once again... you have this nasty habit of lying and twisting words, JPB... since
if you properly parse my comment, you will find that I do not claim YOU
made such statements, or that YOU ever used the word "Dachau." Nor
is there any post of mine you can offer which makes such a claim. I
state that you DEFENDED someone who HAD. Do you possibly
recognize the difference? And that someone was the anti-Semite Ol'
Racist Nev... otherwise know by you as "Neville."
So.. proving MY words is easily done, since this is the post in which you
DEFENDED him. --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0305300225.1471ff8e%40posting.google.com
in these words of yours -->
"now you have done it to Neville by claiming that he said the Nazi death
camps were "okay" which he certainly did not say."
Presumably you ALSO do not consider Dachau a 'death-camp,' but simply
a 'rest area' for 'unsavory humans,' as defined as such by the Nazis.
Now all that remains for my words to be totally true is to demonstrate
that Ol' Racist Nev argued "that no Jews were murdered in Dachau,
because 'Dachau was not a death-camp for Jews.'" And that is again,
an easy matter, since HE DID SAY that. In fact he stated he needed
to STRESS that Jews were not murdered in Dachau... See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305290530.16495221%40posting.google.com
His words -- "I must stress that Dachau, Belson, and Buchanwald were
_not_ used as death-camps for Jews.
and --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=f85d58f0.0306140524.cfabd76%40posting.google.com
His words again -- "Now, how many times have I 'recognised' that _no_
"respectable historian" considers Dachau a 'death camp'?"
Of course that is a DENIAL of the fact that an enormous number
of Jewish lives were CONSUMED in Dachau. See --
http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
And references in Nizkor which characterize those who attempt
to argue that because 'death-camps' such as those that existed in
Eastern Europe did not exist in Germany proper, as 'neo-nazis.' See --
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar03.html
This is the guy YOU were defending, sport. So I would advise you
to VERY QUICKLY disassociated yourself from ANY defense
of ANY WORDS ever posted by Ol' Racist Nev to AADP.
Because at this moment you are defending his words in respect
to Dachau. And those are the words of an anti-Semite, a holocaust
denier, and a neo-Nazi.
>And when no such URL can be found, I would be interested in seeing the
>views of his fans about what he wrote above .... but I won't be
>holding my breath waiting for them.
You are either an incredibly ignorant shit, unable to actually comprehend the
English language, or you are simply a devious liar. I _vote_ for the latter,
but I do not rule out the former. And I believe there is an overwhelming
possibility that both are the true case.
>
>(Apologies for the repost from the "Desi suggests culling of
>Indonesians" thread, but this one warranted it)
Why? You wanted to prove your ignorance, perhaps? Since it was
rather simple to prove YOUR accusations were totally false, as I never
made the claim you stated I had made. I said not one word about
YOUR views... except that you DEFENDED the view of ANOTHER.
Of course you don't have to USE the word "Dachau," to DEFEND
someone who has. Read my words... and pay up.
PV
A Planet Visitor
Get real, John... 'semantics' for the murder of so many humans?
Where do you find these 'bland' characterizations for some
very evil deeds? It was MURDER, evil murder. And it
cannot be EXCUSED under the pretext of 'semantics,'
ESPECIALLY given the STRENGTH behind the words
of Ol' Racist Nev, saying he needed to STRESS that
Dachau was not a death-camp for Jews. I find that
simply making an EXCUSE for Dachau, presuming that
'no Jews were murdered in Dachau.' When innocents
are MURDERED in camps constructed under the
conditions that existed in Dachau.. it is certainly a
death-camp, and applying a euphemism to rather
'cleanse' it's function is diabolical, IMHO. I simply
COULD not sit idle and permit what I clearly saw
was Ol' Racist Nev's attempt to EXCUSE the murders
committed on Jews, without raging against such
an implication. I simply could not. I simply could
not permit him to imply that Guantanamo and Dachau
represent the same degree of inhumanity, regardless
of how one feels about the detainees in Guantanamo.
Speak of a presumed evil in Guantanamo if you
wish. Independent of such comparisons it does not
bother me. Everyone can have a different view,
within RATIONAL LIMITS. But comparisons with
Dachau can ONLY be seen as attempting to diminish
the meaning of Dachau, rather than attacking the evil
one might see in Guantanamo. It was an unbelievably
gross use of Dachau, and an attempt to diminish the
acts that took place there to try and compare them.
In the end, he meaning took on the form of 'denial' that
any murders of Jews took place in Dachau. I simply
cannot understand how an abolitionist could ever
condone such a comparison. ANY abolitionist.
Further, there is some rather strong evidence that
systematic murder of Jews DID take place in the latter
days of operation in the gas chambers that were
constructed. Of course, not to the extent of Auschwitz,
but does that mean those murders in Dachau can
be ignored? I left with the impression that Ol' Racist
Nev felt exactly that... that they could be IGNORED. See --
http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
PV
>
A Planet Visitor
He most certainly DID agree with Ol' Racist Nev --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0305300225.1471ff8e%40posting.google.com
in these words of his "now you have done it to Neville by claiming that
he said the Nazi death camps were "okay" which he certainly did not say."
John, JPB would agree with Satan, if Satan happened to comment
negatively on one of my posts. Hell... he'd play with Satan's balls,
if it would get Satan to comment negatively on one of my posts :-)
PV
Just passing by
> if you properly parse my comment, you will find that I do not claim YOU
> made such statements, or that YOU ever used the word "Dachau." Nor
> is there any post of mine you can offer which makes such a claim. I
> state that you DEFENDED someone who HAD. Do you possibly
> recognize the difference? And that someone was the anti-Semite Ol'
> Racist Nev... otherwise know by you as "Neville."
>
> So.. proving MY words is easily done, since this is the post in which you
> DEFENDED him. --
> http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0305300225.1471ff8e%40posting.google.com
> in these words of yours -->
> "now you have done it to Neville by claiming that he said the Nazi death
> camps were "okay" which he certainly did not say."
In which case, what you have proved is that I should have done what I
am now going to do some time ago - when you FIRST giggled at the
holocaust. By falsely claiming that Neville had said the Nazi death
camps were "okay" you were exploiting that subject as material for
your games, as you have now done again by using it to lie about me. So
that is now twice you have giggled about the holocaust.
I admit my error back in May of doing nothing more than criticise you
for lying about Neville; I should have done then what I am now going
to do. But I will now be putting right that error, you can be sure of
that.
Not once, but twice, you have laughed about the holocaust and used it
to help you in your trolling games. My mistake in letting you get away
with that the first time will not be repeated this time.
PV: the man who has twice giggled at the holocaust.
(Once again, apologies for the repost from the "Desi suggests culling
of Indonesians" thread)
Just passing by
> >
> Get real, John... 'semantics' for the murder of so many humans?
< clipped, a pathetic attempt by PV to appear shocked and pretend to
care about the holocaust after he has now - at least three times -
laughed and giggled about the holocaust in his sickening attempts to
use that most appalling tragedy to help him in his trolling games >
Yes, PV, I did say three times. I've found another one. More on that
soon.
A Planet Visitor: the man who giggled about the holocaust.
John Rennie
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
Well I agree, technically or semantically, with Nev. Dachau was not set
up as a death camp, it was a concentration camp. I also have to agree with
Nev when he said that it was not a 'Jewish' death camp. And I wouldn't
agree that it was a 'Russian POW' death camp either although more of them
died there than did Jews. It was none of these things, it was a
concentration camp where people were treated so badly and were worked so
hard that many died. To call Dachau, Belsen or Ravensbruck 'death camps'
is just technically incorrect.
Where Neve was wrong,very wrong, was to compare Guantanamo, a truly shameful
place in this day and age, with Dachau. He tried unsuccessful to compare
its beginnings with the setting up of Guantanamo. There are one or two
similarities but no more. The USA is not a totalitarian state and cannot
therfore mimic the actions of such a state even though Mr Ashcroft has done
his best.
John Rennie
You're attempting to fight fire with fire. Why bother?
danh
[...]
> Well I agree, technically or semantically, with Nev.
Never a Good Thing.
Dachau was not set
> up as a death camp, it was a concentration camp.
What it was "set up as" and what was done there are not the same thing.
I also have to agree with
> Nev when he said that it was not a 'Jewish' death camp. And I wouldn't
> agree that it was a 'Russian POW' death camp either although more of them
> died there than did Jews. It was none of these things, it was a
> concentration camp where people were treated so badly and were worked so
> hard that many died.
Not quite - it wasn't just that prisoners were mistreated, provided poor
rations and worked under inhuman conditions that they just (coincidentally
and conveniently) died. They were killed purposely by Nazis - shootings,
hangings, beatings, exposure and starvation. So many in fact, that the
number of Jews alone who were killed (not died) at Dachau number more than
29,000. One might think your great concern for the few innocents exposed to
the dp would extend to all the camp victims instead of playing silly word
games about their circumstances which only serve to mitigate the guilt of
the Nazis.
To call Dachau, Belsen or Ravensbruck 'death camps'
> is just technically incorrect.
Baloney. They were not specifically extermination camps, but they _were_
death camps in every sense of the word. Even in English.
[...]
A Planet Visitor
You came in when you DEFENDED that anti-Semite, holocaust
denying, neo-Nazi, Ol' Racist Nev. That's where you CAME in.
>> > > JPB's obsession
>> > > with defending anti-Semites who argue that no Jews were murdered
>> > > in Dachau, because 'Dachau was not a death-camp for Jews.'
>
>
>???
!!!
Your defending Ol' Racist Nev's implication that no Jews were
murdered in Dachau when he stated that he needed to STRESS
that Jews were not murdered in Dachau... with his words --
"I must stress that Dachau, Belson, and Buchanwald were _not_ used
as death-camps for Jews." . See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305290530.16495221%40posting.google.com
PV
A Planet Visitor
raged in anti-Semitism:
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<a46imvkp153vd12la...@4ax.com>...
>
>
>> if you properly parse my comment, you will find that I do not claim YOU
>> made such statements, or that YOU ever used the word "Dachau." Nor
>> is there any post of mine you can offer which makes such a claim. I
>> state that you DEFENDED someone who HAD. Do you possibly
>> recognize the difference? And that someone was the anti-Semite Ol'
>> Racist Nev... otherwise know by you as "Neville."
>>
>> So.. proving MY words is easily done, since this is the post in which you
>> DEFENDED him. --
>> http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0305300225.1471ff8e%40posting.google.com
>> in these words of yours -->
>> "now you have done it to Neville by claiming that he said the Nazi death
>> camps were "okay" which he certainly did not say."
>
>
>In which case, what you have proved is that I should have done what I
>am now going to do some time ago - when you FIRST giggled at the
>holocaust. By falsely claiming that Neville had said the Nazi death
>camps were "okay" you were exploiting that subject as material for
>your games, as you have now done again by using it to lie about me. So
>that is now twice you have giggled about the holocaust.
What I have proved is that you lied... yet again, JPB. You don't
even deny it any longer, but would now attempt a DIFFERENT
lie. Why not at least ADMIT your FIRST LIE, before moving
on to the next one, or would that be asking too much of you?
Because the list of your lies is becoming quite long now.
What I did first, have always done, and will continue to do -- is
DENOUNCE anyone who would try to imply that Dachau was
'not so bad for the Jews.' If you characterize that as *giggling*
then I think others might find you mentally disturbed. And see
you as perhaps doing a bit of hysterical *giggling* yourself.
Only those who find murder 'not so bad,' can actually be *giggling*
about it. Such as the Nameless One finding the murder of 3,000
humans as 'not so bad,' given that America got its comeuppance
with those murders in his view. Or Ol' Racist Nev, finding that
Dachau was 'not so bad.' Or you defending either of those views.
I will continue to denounce ANYONE who would try to imply that
Dachau was 'not so bad, relatively speaking.' These are the words
that Ol' Racist Nev used --
"I must stress that Dachau, Belson, and Buchanwald were _not_ used
as death-camps for Jews." . See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305290530.16495221%40posting.google.com
In fact, Dachau was one of the most immorally offensive devices ever
conceived by man. It's evil CANNOT be diminished one single jot
by arguing that it was not a 'death-camp for Jews,' since IT WAS.
I would again refer you to another link in the Nizkor project -- See
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dachau/
And you will find that there is most certainly a declaration that 'deaths'
at Dachau were premeditated acts of murder, in both gas chambers and
experiments meant to cause death... which can ONLY be characterized
as murder. I do not *giggle* about murder... Ol' Racist Nev DID...
by arguing that it was NOT a 'death-camp.' Apparently to be
classified as a 'death-camp' by Ol' Racist Nev a certain number
of murders must be committed. And that number must perhaps
exceed a million. But he was quite willing to claim that Guantanamo
could 'become' a death-camp,' although it only holds 700 detainees
in TOTAL. Would you contend that less than 700 murders were
committed in Dachau? Pastor Niemöller, held in Dachau... placed
the number of deaths in Dachau (quoting an inscription written in
Dachau in 1945) at 238,756. See --
http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
Clearly, you are the one *giggling* now... presuming to SUPPORT
the murder of Jews in the holocaust... by DEFENDING Ol' Racist
Nev's claim that Dachau was not so bad... because he needed
to STRESS that it "wasn't a death-camp for Jews."
>I admit my error back in May of doing nothing more than criticise you
>for lying about Neville; I should have done then what I am now going
>to do. But I will now be putting right that error, you can be sure of
>that.
>
You mean you're going to defend a neo-Nazi again? But
you've already been there, and done that, JPB! What else
is left? Let me remind you again that Ol' Racist Nev once
provided a post which did not ONCE mention MURDER or even
DEATH in respect to Dachau itself. Apparently, to him, only
after humans were removed from Dachau alive, well-fed, and
well-maintained, did their deaths or murders occur. See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305271322.6bef6222%40posting.google.com
If there is no mention of MURDER or even DEATH in Dachau,
at a time when Jews were being slaughtered throughout Europe,
what would you call such a place, in that time? If it were
TRUE... as Ol' Racist Nev IMPLIED it was true, it would
certainly seem to be a 'safe haven' for Jews... since his implication
is that they neither died nor were murdered in Dachau, or 'Belson' (sic),
or 'Buchanwald' (sic). His implication is that Dachau WAS
'okay,' at a time of great upheaval throughout Europe. His
implication is that Jews would have preferred to STAY in
Dachau than go anywhere else... since they were SAFE from
death and murder there. That is his implication. That is
the implication I presume you are about to DEFEND, and in
the end assume the mantle he seems to have left behind... that
mantle of anti-Semite, holocaust denier, and neo-Nazi.
Before we begin on this journey... I would ask --
1) Are you an anti-Semite?
2) Are you a holocaust denier?
3) Are you a neo-Nazi?
We need to establish what you call yourself, so that I can demonstrate
your lies as we 'go along.'
>Not once, but twice, you have laughed about the holocaust and used it
>to help you in your trolling games. My mistake in letting you get away
>with that the first time will not be repeated this time.
>
I've never laughed about the holocaust. You are again intent
on making a fool of yourself. Your mistake was in DEFENDING
a proven anti-Semite, a holocaust denier, and a neo-Nazi, all in
the person of Ol' Racist Nev. I sense that you are about to compound
that mistake by now assume the same persona. Just as you assumed
the persona of a murderer-lover by defending a baby-killer [1]. Just
as you assumed the persona of a racist, by first DEFENDING a racist.
What goes around, comes around, JPB. You defend a racist... soon it
is proven you are a racist, because your defense of that racist becomes
so overpowering that you assume the same form of the one you are
defending. It will obviously be thus in your defense of a proven
anti-Semite, holocaust denier, and neo-Nazi. Soon that defense will
overpower you into BECOMING that same image you are defending.
Soon Simon Wiesenthal will call YOU a neo-Nazi, and a holocaust
denier, once you deny that Dachau was a "death camp for Jews,"
just as he said -- "Because there were no extermination camps on
German soil the Neo-Nazis are using this as proof that these
crimes did not happen [...]" See --
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar03.html
Ol' Racist Nev is the guy YOU'RE DEFENDING, JPB. What does that
make you? Now that Simon Wiesenthal has described Ol' Racist Nev
as a neo-Nazi... what does that make YOU for defending him? Are YOU
a neo-Nazi, JPB?
>PV: the man who has twice giggled at the holocaust.
>
If you find a *giggle* in claiming that the evil in Dachau cannot be
diminished, as I have most assuredly insisted that it cannot be
diminished, that says a hell of a lot more about YOU, than it could
ever say about me. It says that YOU also do not believe that
Dachau needs to be recognized as evil personified. And it makes
YOU the same as Ol' Racist Nev. The same neo-Nazi that Simon
Wiesenthal has quite astutely recognized (see above). If you
believe you can raise my anger, with your obsessive lies,
you are quite wrong. If anyone is *giggling* right now... it is you.
The fact that you even imply I would *giggle* about the holocaust,
is clear evidence of your emotional decline here... as I keep
pounding and pounding away at your demonstrated immorality.
Read again the words of Ol' Racist Nev that deny the outrages and
corruption that were inflicted on humanity. THEN -- weep for that
humanity. Don't *giggle* as you have begun to do... but weep for
humanity. For just once in your pitiful life....
If you cannot weep for Matthew...
If you cannot weep for MLK...
If you cannot weep for innocent slaves...
If you cannot weep for the victims of Saddam...
then at least --
WEEP FOR THAT MURDERED HUMANITY IN DACHAU!
For just once in your life... weep for the victim...
and not the murderer.
Or is that asking too much of you?
>(Once again, apologies for the repost from the "Desi suggests culling
>of Indonesians" thread)
Oh.... If that were the only thing you needed to apologize for in your
presence in AADP, JPB. If that were the only thing. [2]
PV
[1] http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/JPB.html
[2] http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/Goblin1.htm
A Planet Visitor
>"John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>news:N4fab.111$823.1...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
>
>[...]
>
>> Well I agree, technically or semantically, with Nev.
>
>Never a Good Thing.
>
I have searched for a smarmy saying to agree with you. But all I can
come up with is a non-smarmy -- "I could not have said it better."
> Dachau was not set
>> up as a death camp, it was a concentration camp.
>
>What it was "set up as" and what was done there are not the same thing.
>
> I also have to agree with
>> Nev when he said that it was not a 'Jewish' death camp. And I wouldn't
>> agree that it was a 'Russian POW' death camp either although more of them
>> died there than did Jews. It was none of these things, it was a
>> concentration camp where people were treated so badly and were worked so
>> hard that many died.
>
>Not quite - it wasn't just that prisoners were mistreated, provided poor
>rations and worked under inhuman conditions that they just (coincidentally
>and conveniently) died. They were killed purposely by Nazis - shootings,
>hangings, beatings, exposure and starvation. So many in fact, that the
>number of Jews alone who were killed (not died) at Dachau number more than
>29,000. One might think your great concern for the few innocents exposed to
>the dp would extend to all the camp victims instead of playing silly word
>games about their circumstances which only serve to mitigate the guilt of
>the Nazis.
>
> To call Dachau, Belsen or Ravensbruck 'death camps'
>> is just technically incorrect.
>
>Baloney. They were not specifically extermination camps, but they _were_
>death camps in every sense of the word. Even in English.
>
They certainly were death-camps. For Dachau one needs only go to Nizkor --
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dachau/
And you will find that there is most certainly a declaration that 'deaths'
at Dachau were premeditated acts of murder, in both gas chambers and
experiments meant to cause death... which can ONLY be characterized
as murder.
And a more extensive examination of the gas chambers at Dachau which
were also used. Obviously to a much more limited extent than in the
extermination camps in Eastern Europe. But 'denial' begins with
'semantics.' See --
http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
In fact, Simon Wiesenthal has characterized those who 'use' the idea
that "Because there were no extermination camps on German soil the
Neo-Nazis are using this as proof that these crimes did not happen [...]"
See --
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar03.html
I find that to be EXACTLY what Ol' Racist Nev was trying to 'pull
off' in his many ravings that Dachau was not a death-camp for Jews.
In respect to the holocaust... the word 'semantics' applied to any
characterization of those events, is seen as a bit of denial. Since a
murder...is a murder... is a murder.
PV
>[...]
>
A Planet Visitor
raged in anti-Semitism:
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<osgimvojicn76jrdm...@4ax.com>...
>
>> >
>> Get real, John... 'semantics' for the murder of so many humans?
>
>< clipped, a pathetic attempt by PV to appear shocked and pretend to
>care about the holocaust after he has now - at least three times -
>laughed and giggled about the holocaust in his sickening attempts to
>use that most appalling tragedy to help him in his trolling games >
>
Isn't it strange how racism and anti-Semitism hang so close
together? JPB had to first prove he was a baby-killer lover...
before he could move to the next level... that of proving
he was a Saddam lover. before he could move to the next level...
that of proving he was a racist... before he could move to the
anti-Semite/holocaust denier/neo-Nazi level he now espouses.
What I have proved is that you lied... yet again, JPB. And it
galls you that I have done it so often. But it has become a rather
simple exercise, since one can presume that anything you say will
most certainly be a lie. In fact, I rather gather that most have
already taken such a view of your ravings, thus your ravings certainly
cannot bother me. The fact that no one has responded to your
BEGGING to the group, rather shows that. No one cares
about you, JPB. You're seen as a fool by everyone here.
Anyone who would defend the posting of racist slurs to AADP,
who would attack a tribute to MLK, who would call MLK a
"Phoney," and who would now defend a holocaust denier, who
argued that no murder of Jews took place in Dachau, since he
argues that Dachau was not a death-camp for the Jews, can
only be seen as stark raving mad.
You don't even deny your lies any longer, but simply move on
and attempt a DIFFERENT lie. Why not at least ADMIT your
FIRST LIE, before moving on to the next one, or would that be
asking too much of you? Because the list of your lies is becoming
quite long now.
What I did first, have always done, and will continue to do -- is
DENOUNCE anyone who would try to imply that Dachau was
'not so bad for the Jews.' If you characterize that as *giggling*
then I think others might find you mentally disturbed. And see
you as perhaps doing a bit of hysterical *giggling* yourself.
Only those who find murder 'not so bad,' can actually be *giggling*
about it. Such as the Nameless One finding the murder of 3,000
humans as 'not so bad,' given that America got its comeuppance
with those murders in his view. Or Ol' Racist Nev, finding that
Dachau was 'not so bad.' Or you defending either of those views.
I will continue to denounce ANYONE who would try to imply that
Dachau was 'not so bad, relatively speaking.' These are the words
that Ol' Racist Nev used --
"I must stress that Dachau, Belson, and Buchanwald were _not_ used
as death-camps for Jews." . See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305290530.16495221%40posting.google.com
In fact, Dachau was one of the most monstrous devices ever conceived
by man. It's evil CANNOT be diminished one single jot by arguing that
it was not a 'death-camp for Jews,' since IT WAS.
I would again refer you to another link in the Nizkor project -- See
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dachau/
And you will find that there is most certainly a declaration that 'deaths'
at Dachau were premeditated acts of murder, in both gas chambers and
experiments meant to cause death... which can ONLY be characterized
as murder. I do not *giggle* about murder... Ol' Racist Nev DID...
by arguing that it was NOT a 'death-camp.' Apparently to be
classified as a 'death-camp' by Ol' Racist Nev a certain number
of murders must be committed. And that number must perhaps
exceed a million. But he was quite willing to claim that Guantanamo
could 'become' a death-camp,' although it only holds 700 detainees
in TOTAL. Would you contend that less than 700 murders were
committed in Dachau? Pastor Niemöller, held in Dachau... placed
the number of deaths in Dachau (quoting an inscription written in
Dachau in 1945) at 238,756. See --
http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
Clearly, you are the one *giggling* now... presuming to SUPPORT
the murder of Jews in the holocaust... by DEFENDING Ol' Racist
Nev's claim that Dachau was not so bad... because he needed
to STRESS that it "wasn't a death-camp for Jews."
>Yes, PV, I did say three times. I've found another one. More on that
>soon.
You couldn't find your ass with both hands, JPB. I know it, you
know it, and everyone in AADP knows it. But larger than the trivial
issue of your lie (which has simply become second-nature to your
posts now... having found yourself intellectually annihilated, and like
a cornered rat, having nothing but lies to rely on), is the fact that
Ol' Racist Nev certainly did provide a post which did not ONCE
mention MURDER or even DEATH in respect to Dachau itself.
Apparently, to him, only after humans were removed from Dachau
alive, well-fed, and well-maintained, did their deaths or murders
occur. See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305271322.6bef6222%40posting.google.com
If there is no mention of MURDER or even DEATH in Dachau,
at a time when Jews were being slaughtered throughout Europe,
what would you call such a place, in that time? If it were
TRUE... as Ol' Racist Nev IMPLIED it was true, it would
certainly seem to be a 'safe haven' for Jews... since his implication
is that they neither died nor were murdered in Dachau, or 'Belson' (sic),
or 'Buchanwald' (sic). His implication is that Dachau WAS
'okay,' at a time of great upheaval throughout Europe. His
implication is that Jews would have preferred to STAY in
Dachau than go anywhere else... since they were SAFE from
death and murder there. That is his implication.
>A Planet Visitor: the man who giggled about the holocaust.
If you find a *giggle* in claiming that the evil in Dachau cannot be
diminished, as I have most assuredly insisted that it cannot be
diminished, that says a hell of a lot more about YOU, than it could
ever say about me. It says that YOU also do not believe that
Dachau needs to be recognized as evil personified. And it makes
YOU the same as Ol' Racist Nev. The same neo-Nazi that Simon
Wiesenthal has quite astutely recognized [1]. If you believe you
can raise my anger, with your obsessive lies, you are quite wrong.
If anyone is *giggling* right now... it is you. The fact that you
even imply I would *giggle* about the holocaust, is clear evidence
of your emotional decline here... as I keep pounding and pounding
away at your demonstrated immorality.
Read again the words of Ol' Racist Nev that deny the outrages and
corruption that were inflicted on humanity. THEN -- weep for that
humanity. Don't *giggle* as you have begun to do... but weep for
humanity. For just once in your pitiful life....
If you cannot weep for Matthew...
If you cannot weep for MLK...
If you cannot weep for innocent slaves...
If you cannot weep for the victims of Saddam...
then at least --
WEEP FOR THAT MURDERED HUMANITY IN DACHAU!
For just once in your life...
weep for the victim...
and not the murderer.
Or is that asking too much of you?
PV
[1] http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar03.html
His words -- "Because there were no extermination camps on
A Planet Visitor
Jesus.. you haven't figured that out yet? I give you more credit than that
John. It's ALL based back on the 'Great White Whale.' And from that
he's truly been exposed. I find it a good day when I am instrumental
in exposing racism. As JPB has admitted... it's my "personal ends."
I'm working on his anti-Semitism/holocaust-denial/neo-nazi leanings
now. Deep inside me... I KNEW from the obsessive rage he expressed
in the 'Great White Whale' [1], that there was a really dark underbelly
to him. We'll see...
A Planet Visitor
Well... let's see what Nizkor, and Simon Wiesenthal has to say about your
'semantics.' See --
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar03.html
You will find that he CONDEMNS those who would extrapolate the same
meaning that Ol' Racist Nev expressed, and that you say you agree with --
He clearly calls those who 'use' the fact that extermination camps were not
located in Germany proper -- neo-Nazis who use that as part of their
holocaust denial. His words -- "Because there were no extermination camps
on German soil the Neo-Nazis are using this as proof that these crimes did
not happen [...]"
You will also find on that page that Nizkor clearly states -- "While there were
indeed gas chambers and homicidal gassings in the Altreich, they were on a much
smaller scale than the gassings in the camps in Nazi-occupied Poland, " To
FORGET about those murdered IN Dachau, simply because their numbers
are overwhelmed by those in Eastern European extermination camps, is
clearly an attempt to diminish the scope of the holocaust, which indeed DID
extend into "Altreich" (the prewar boundaries of Germany). Humans WERE
gassed and murdered though experiementation meant to induce death in Dachau...
which MAKES it a 'death-camp.' And more than that... an enormous number
of people MET their death in Dachau, for a great variety of reasons other than
'natural causes,' that would have been easily overcome had they NOT been
starved, worked and simply beaten to death in so many cases in Dachau.
Further... see --
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dachau/
and
http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
I find that anyone presuming that Dachau cannot be called a 'death-camp'
is either deluding themselves, or attempting to delude others. I will give
you the benefit of the doubt, and presume you are deluding yourself, but
there is not question that Ol' Racist Nev was attempting to delude OTHERS.
There is another post from Ol' Racist Nev to Dan... see --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305271322.6bef6222%40posting.google.com
Where one is left with the impression that no murders whatsoever
occured in Dachau. The words murder or death do not even appear
when he speaks of those camps.
>Where Neve was wrong,very wrong, was to compare Guantanamo, a truly shameful
>place in this day and age, with Dachau. He tried unsuccessful to compare
>its beginnings with the setting up of Guantanamo. There are one or two
>similarities but no more. The USA is not a totalitarian state and cannot
>therfore mimic the actions of such a state even though Mr Ashcroft has done
>his best.
In that post that I refer to above to Dan... Ol' Racist Nev says that Guantanamo
may "soon become a death-camp too." It is MONSTEROUSLY offensive
to Dachau to argue that Guantanamo may become a 'death-camp' while
arguing that Dachau NEVER was. When Guantanamo holds 700 detainees,
and Pastor Niemöller (quoting an inscription written in Dachau in 1945) estimated
the total deaths in Dachau at 238,756.
I will tell you frankly.. I am thoroughly disgusted at the latent anti-Semitism I
still detect in Europeans, even after all these years. I have seen a great deal
of - not outright denial of the holocaust.- but a great deal of attempts to
diminish it. Some quite subtle... some, as in the case of Ol' Racist Nev...rather
using a baseball bat on it. I do not deny racism in the U.S. I expect no
less candidness from Europeans in respect to holocaust denial and anti-Semitism
in Europe regardless of how subtly expressed. I hear much in the way of
European negative comments on racism in the U.S. I find such criticism usually
well-deserved in most respects (not with the DP, of course - but I am not
afraid to argue that issue). I expect that Europeans receive my criticism of a
perception of anti-Semitism that still exists in Europe, with the same forthright
examination of their own emotions that I make of my emotions.
Aside from that... criticism of Guantanamo is certainly expected. I have no
problem with that. I cannot however accept ANY comparison of even the
SLIGHTEST bit with ANY aspect of the holocaust. Since that is no longer
criticism of Guantanamo, but clearly HOLOCAUST DENIAL.
PV
John Rennie
instigated because anything they so instigated was designed to strengthen
their appalling regime. It just wasn't set up as part of the final solution
when it was opened in 1933 or so. Indeed its first occupants were
socialists of every hue from Communists to Social Democrats. Jews followed
some time afterwards. I agree that its function changed after its inception
but in no way were the executions carried out there on the scale, the truly
appaling scale, of Auschwitz and Treblinka. I happen to think your
insistence on calling these concentration camps 'death camps' lessens the
horror of the true death camp. Now you can go on playing silly buggers with
JFB and he with you but you have a duty not to distort history as your film
makers are determined to do. I shall not respond to any more this
nonsense.
John Rennie
instigated because anything they so instigated was designed to
strengthen their appalling regime. It just wasn't set up as part of the
final solution when it was opened in 1933 or so. Indeed its first
occupants were socialists of every hue from Communists to Social
Democrats. Jews followed some time afterwards. I agree that
its function changed after its inception but in no way were the
executions carried out there on the scale, the truly appaling scale,
of Auschwitz and Treblinka. I happen to think your
insistence on calling these concentration camps 'death camps' lessens the
then I do not agree with him in any way. They, the concentration camps,
were a fundamental part of the whole system. Without them the death
camps were useless. After all they were created to dispose of those
of no immediate use to to Third Reich. The old, the very young and the
sick. Those that were of use were to be sent to the concentration camps.
Remember Auschwitz was part concentration camp itself.
Enough of this - pursue your increasingly silly arguments with JFB - I shall
not respond to any more comments on this thread.
John Rennie
Ignore the above - sent inadvertantly.
Just passing by
Everything clipped and 95% of it unread. The truth about PV's giggling
at the holocaust can be found here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
And the evidence backing up every claim made in the above post,
including all the relevant URLs, is here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
PV: the man who giggled about the holocaust.
Just passing by
< clipped >
I didn't intend to read any of that post, but a quick scan revealed
that PV has already begun posting spam on this matter. The following
text also appears, word for word, in at least one other of his
replies:
> Read again the words of Ol' Racist Nev that deny the outrages and
> corruption that were inflicted on humanity. THEN -- weep for that
> humanity. Don't *giggle* as you have begun to do... but weep for
> humanity. For just once in your pitiful life....
> If you cannot weep for Matthew...
> If you cannot weep for MLK...
> If you cannot weep for innocent slaves...
> If you cannot weep for the victims of Saddam...
> then at least --
> WEEP FOR THAT MURDERED HUMANITY IN DACHAU!
> For just once in your life... weep for the victim...
> and not the murderer.
Proof there that PV not only giggles at the holocaust but also thinks
it deserving of nothing better than his copy & pasted spam.
The full true story of how PV has giggled at the holocaust can be
found here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
And all the evidence can be found here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
A Planet Visitor: the man who has used the holocaust as material for
his "games".
A Planet Visitor
Have it your way... But I find the characterization of DENIAL of Dachau
in any sense, suggestive of denial of the holocaust itself. I am not pissed
at you... you expect to argue 'semantics,' as silly as I find that to be. You
are certainly not DENYING what Dachau was... as I saw Ol' Racist
Nev attempt to do. You undoubtedly believe that doing so does not
diminish the murders that took place in Dachau. Since I would never
believe you would do so purposely. However, I find it does... thus it's
opinion. I believe the URL of Nizkor, and the letter of Simon Wiesenthal
support my view. The view that once we try in any way to 'sanitize'
Dachau by a 'friendly' comparison with Auschwitz (for example), we
play right into the hand that the neo-Nazi quite enjoys arguing. Arguing
that the ENTIRE holocaust was not that bad.. because people are
ADMITTING that Dachau is exaggerated. As Ol' Racist Nev did...
he will argue all day that Dachau was NOT a death-camp for Jews...
which to me is denying the murders that DID occur in Dachau. Had
he worded his comments differently, it could possibly have passed
muster. By not DENYING the word 'death-camp,' but instead
speaking, as you are speaking, of the vast DIFFERENCE in those
murders in quantity. Insuring that the descriptions of Dachau left no
doubt that it was evil, and murders occurred by the thousands.. the
tens of thousands. And NOT to simply DEMAND, as Ol' Racist
Nev DEMANDED that it needed to be STRESSED that Dachau
was NOT a 'death-camp for Jews.' I became more disgusted
each time I saw that word "STRESS" in his comment.
I thus found Ol' Racist Nev to be much more emphatic in his words.
A true DENIAL that murders of Jews took place in Dachau. And
we KNOW that is not true. Obviously, if we intend to 'scale' the
quantity of human life murdered, Dachau pales beside the methodical,
and mechanical extermination camps set up in Eastern Europe.
But that was NOT the context that Ol' Racist Nev wished to express.
He wished to argue that NO Jews murders occurred in Dachau.
He was in fact DEFENDING Dachau, necessarily because he
wished to compare it with Guantanamo. And there was a
dual-reason for this, in my view. First, I believe he was trying
to diminish the true horror of the holocaust with his continued
EMPHASIS that Dachau was NOT a 'death-camp.' This is
the role the neo-Nazi plays... and I believe he was playing that
exact role. Second, he began his raving by comparing Guantanamo
to Dachau. And no murders have occurred in Guantanamo, nor
are the number of detainees comparable by ANY STRETCH
OF THE IMAGINATION. So... to justify the fact that he was
being boxed in morally, factually and logically in his initial raving...
he had to more and more DEFEND Dachau, so it would more
closely resemble, even in the absurd slightest....Guantanamo.
And he had to more and more ATTACK Guantanamo to
suggest a closer comparison to Dachau. That's why he stated
in the other comment I provided that Guantanamo was soon to
become a 'death-camp.'
I am not here to 'defend' Guantanamo... it's a sore spot, and it
should be dismantled. Posters here have rather convinced me
of that. The first time posters here have EVER done that with
me. It may even be less moral to send those detainees back
to Afghanistan, to perhaps face a more harsh ending than we
could possibly provide. But that is a consideration which can
no longer justify the continued detention of those prisoners.
If they wish to go back...they should be permitted to go back.
But we must be careful in ANY situation to compare
ANYTHING with ANYTHING from the holocaust. We must
be careful that in doing so, we don't make the holocaust look
a little less horrendous than it actually was. And this is what
I believe happened in this dialog.
PV
>
John Rennie
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
snip
>
> I am not here to 'defend' Guantanamo... it's a sore spot, and it
> should be dismantled. Posters here have rather convinced me
> of that. The first time posters here have EVER done that with
> me. It may even be less moral to send those detainees back
> to Afghanistan, to perhaps face a more harsh ending than we
> could possibly provide. But that is a consideration which can
> no longer justify the continued detention of those prisoners.
> If they wish to go back...they should be permitted to go back.
>
> But we must be careful in ANY situation to compare
> ANYTHING with ANYTHING from the holocaust. We must
> be careful that in doing so, we don't make the holocaust look
> a little less horrendous than it actually was. And this is what
> I believe happened in this dialog.
>
> PV
> >
>
Well done! It is a first (unless you count 'Old South Wales ;-))
and it is a deserved first. But is anyone in power listening?
If you have changed your mind many others must have.
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<qt5lmv8a42q44m3ca...@4ax.com>...
>
>< clipped >
>
>I didn't intend to read any of that post, but a quick scan revealed
>that PV has already begun posting spam on this matter. The following
>text also appears, word for word, in at least one other of his
>replies:
>
Pay attention gentle reader -- since what follows is my appeal
to JPB to exhibit some 'human side' to his character. An appeal
to him to no longer support murderers, and concepts which
support murderers, but consider the victim. JPB describes such
an appeal as "spam." And HE certainly has depicted the holocaust
as a "game," since he was the first to call it such -- See [1]
My comments that follow simply refer to him having called the
holocaust a "game," in his referenced post. He finds the holocaust
as nothing but a "game," just as Ol' Racist Nev found Dachau as
'not actually evil' in his mind. Claiming it was certainly no 'worse'
than Guantanamo, which holds less than 700 detainees. He saw
Dachau as MUCH BETTER, since he DEMANDED Dachau NEVER
be seen as a 'death-camp,' while also asserting that Guantanamo
"may soon become a death camp." [2] Anyone who cannot see the
attempt to 'cleanse' Dachau through such a comparison is a
holocaust denier... 100%. Called as such by none other than
Simon Wiesenthal in Nizkor [3].
For one moment, let us examine the general idea of what we
call "spam" -- When we see it -- we find it to be an unsolicited,
intrusive, and offensive request to 'buy into something.' We
immediately 'delete' it from our view and our mind. We ignore
it and wipe out any thought of it. We become annoyed if we
see it again, as JPB has become annoyed by seeing it again
(perhaps because it rings a bell he would prefer not to hear).
One can thus see that JPB finds any request to weep for
victims of murder, of racism, of slavery, of genocide, and
of the holocaust to be "unsolicited," "intrusive," and "offensive."
I plead guilty in respect to him having not "solicited" what he
calls "spam." Much fundamentally good advice is often not
"solicited." Although I do not believe there is a reasonable
human on this planet who does not find each of us should
be "solicited" to weep for those I speak of. But JPB
apparently does not wish to be 'bothered' with thinking about
it. Given his proven 'affection' for baby-killers, racists,
slavers, despot murderers and neo-Nazis, I can understand
why.
I also plead guilty to it being "intrusive." Generally speaking, this is
a forum in which we are ALL "intrusive." And often, what JPB
depicts as "spam," -- these "unsolicited," and "intrusive" suggestions --
must be 'rammed down the throat' of those who seem to lack the
capacity to weep for those victims. In this particular case, given
the gravity of JPB's rapid descent into a caldron of unspeakable
evil, I felt it absolutely necessary to do so, if I were to retain the
slightest bit of self-respect.
Obviously it has fallen on deaf ears, however. Because in the
final instance, he finds a suggestion to weep for victims of murder,
racism, slavery, genocide, and the holocaust to be "offensive."
He would much rather ignore 'thinking about the victim.' And
remain concerned only with baby-killers, racists, slavers, despot
murderers, and Nazi murderers. Please don't 'bother' him
with appeals such as that... since they are only seen as "spam"
to him.
In that sense... we must all pity JPB... since he attributes a
suggestion to 'weep for the victim' to be nothing more meaningful
than "spam." I well understand that JPB wishes to remain blind
to what he calls the "spam" of my appeal to weep for the victims.
But in good conscience, I cannot consider any idea of not
at least appealing to a character within him, that I no longer
believe exists. Thus.. each time he refers to my appeal as
"spam," I have no other recourse but to repeat this explanation
and the reason I make this appeal to him. Here is what he
consider to be "spam."
>> Read again the words of Ol' Racist Nev that deny the outrages and
>> corruption that were inflicted on humanity. THEN -- weep for that
>> humanity. Don't *giggle* as you have begun to do... but weep for
>> humanity. For just once in your pitiful life....
>> If you cannot weep for Matthew...
>> If you cannot weep for MLK...
>> If you cannot weep for innocent slaves...
>> If you cannot weep for the victims of Saddam...
>> then at least --
>> WEEP FOR THAT MURDERED HUMANITY IN DACHAU!
>> For just once in your life... weep for the victim...
>> and not the murderer.
>
>Proof there that PV not only giggles at the holocaust but also thinks
>it deserving of nothing better than his copy & pasted spam.
>
I am sure all of them fell on deaf ears with you, JPB. Which is the
sad part of your entire post. And of course... the culmination of
your entire posting history... which before having met me... you
managed to keep hidden your support for murderers in general -
keep hidden your racism - and keep hidden your hate for the Jews.
It's been a rough ride for you... but I can't help but feel I have
served just a bit of humanity each time I exposed how weak your
flesh and spirit are. Exposed how vain are your fantasies of a
tango with the fat lady baby-killer [4]. Exposed how hungry you are
to feel sensitivity for murderers, and racists and anti-Semites, and how
empty is any pain you might feel for victims. Exposed how the hollow
man that you are - deprives you of a sense of human suffering -- a
sense of affinity with your fellow-man. Exposed the scatological
abuse you heap on the victims of murder, racism and the holocaust.
Exposed the literally hundreds of mocking and sneering insults
you've hurled at MLK... and in so doing hurled at all American
Blacks... hurled at the Justice System... hurled at those set free
from the heel of Saddam... and finally, in a cataclysmic eruption
of the enormous rage within you.... now hurl at the murdered
Jews in Dachau -- calling the holocaust just a "game," and
expressions of revulsion for the murders committed in Dachau
just a "giggle."
It's often been a painful journey... no one likes to get too close to evil...
in fear it is contagious. But as a cancerous growth... we cannot
ignore it... or it will destroy us in the end. I've touch the hand of
depravity in my dialogs with you... and it hasn't been a pleasant
journey. Nothing I dreamed of could have prepared me for the
cult of murder that you so admire. But a journey I find completely
necessary, if I am ever to keep my self-respect.
>The full true story of how PV has giggled at the holocaust can be
>found here:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
>
Yes... I wish everyone would look at that post... Where you call the
holocaust a "game." Your words -- "What kind of sick, twisted mind
could ever dream up a "game" in which lies relating to the holocaust
would be posted in a newsgroup" The holocaust was NOT a "game,"
JPB. And the sick, twisted mind is most assuredly yours. As much
as you enjoy thinking it was a "Game." The only LIE is to presume
that murders... murders by the tens of thousands... did not
occur in Dachau. And that is YOUR lie... not mine. And that is what
Ol' Racist Nev stated quite clearly. In intending to 'cleanse' Dachau...
because not as many human beings were exterminated in Dachau
as in those other 'death-camps' in Eastern Europe. Intending to
imply that NO murders took place in Dachau... that is was ONLY
a 'concentration camp.' [2] How many murders must occur in a
'concentration camp' before it 'becomes a death-camp' JPB? I'd
be interested in the number of MURDERS you believe is
NECESSARY before we can 'call a concentration camp a death
camp.' How many? Hundreds?... Dachau meets that easily..
Thousands... most certainly.... ten's of thousands... unequivocally...
hundreds of thousands... ah...finally we reach a point where perhaps
not, although Pastor Niemöller (quoting an inscription written in
Dachau in 1945) estimated the total deaths in Dachau at 238,756. [5]
So HOW MANY DOES IT TAKE? A simple question... Just
a number. But each number represents a MURDERED VICTIM.
And you would have great difficulty convincing that victim that
he was NOT murdered in a death camp.
>And all the evidence can be found here:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
Thank you for that reference, since it rather demonstrates you enjoy
'falling on your own sword,' as it proves that you claimed the holocaust
was simply a "game," and stated that because I expressed revulsion
over the murders committed in Dachau it was simply *giggling* over
those murders. While it's rather obvious that calling an expression
of revulsion over the murders committed in Dachau - "giggling" - is
an unbelievably obscene lack of respect for those murdered in Dachau.
Depriving them of the last vestige of dignity they might hold in their role as
victims of the most monstrous, methodical annihilation of human beings
ever witnessed. The Nazis took away the lives of those murdered in
Dachau, but as with Ol' Racist Nev... you would rip out their souls, and
their spirit with such an insult. There is simply no excuse for your
nauseating attempts to excuse those murders, by claiming someone who
demonstrates a fierce loathing of those murders is simply "giggling."
FINALLY --
You think that Dachau was NOT a 'death camp'? Are you arguing Ol'
Racist Nev' argument that no murders of Jews occurred in Dachau,
because he needed to STRESS that it wasn't a 'death-camp for Jews'?
You must be DEFENDING that view. Because that was the view
I was attacking, and you are presuming I was wrong to attack it. So see --
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t016/t01679.html
In there, you will find it states in respect to Dachau that "the number of Jews
rose steadily to about 1/3 of the total. Tens of thousands died through
starvation, disease, torture or in cruel medical experiments."
And for those 'medical experiments.' (What a ghastly word to use
for MURDER!) - see --
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/text/x15/xm1597.html
Quoting again -- "In the period from 1942 to 1945, medical experiments
were conducted in concentration camps, rather than in hospitals and
research institutions. They were carried out on human beings regarded
as racially inferior, in locations that were the most concrete expression
of Nazi ideology." That's what the Nazis considered the Jews... and
that's Dachau. Or are you calling Simon Wiesenthal a liar?
You have aligned yourself with some of the most evil human beings
to ever set foot on this planet. Those who committed the murders of
the holocaust in EVERY situation... in EVERY capacity... in EVERY
physical location. The shame you SHOULD feel SHOULD be
overwhelming. But I long ago, realized that 'shame' was not an
emotion you hold.
Was Dachau 'only' a concentration camp, as Ol' Racist Nev
INSISTED? One is which no murders took place? Or did the
murder of Jews at Dachau take place on a scale which can be
recognized as being a 'death camp'? Do those murders committed
in Dachau suddenly not 'count' -- because there were 'death
camps' where a mechanical and methodical extermination of
human beings at the rate of up to 2,000 a day were taking place?
At what point do we find it necessary to reason that the murders
of so many people... literally scream out for us to term it a 'death
camp,' even if there were no mechanical and methodical exterminations
of human beings taking place at the rate of other sites in Eastern
Europe? You see... my point has ALWAYS been that Ol' Racist
Nev wanted to FORGET about the murders committed in Dachau...
arguing that 'they don't count,' because of those other sites in
Eastern Europe. But Simon Wiesenthal has stated that such thinking
is that of a neo-Nazi, while never denying that the murders having
taken place in Dachau pale in comparison to those having taken
place in Eastern Europe. [3] But those murders committed in
Dachau can NEVER BE IGNORED.
>A Planet Visitor: the man who has used the holocaust as material for
>his "games".
You're confused again, JPB. That was Ol' Racist Nev, who attempted to
'use' the holocaust to imply that Guantanamo was 'just as bad.' Do you
believe that Guantanamo is 'just as bad' as Dachau was? It's obviously
a hypothetical question, since you've never answered even one of my
questions before, and I really don't expect you to change in any way. But
I will answer... It is an OBSCENITY to compare any aspect of the
holocaust with Guantanamo. Nor do I intend a 'defense' of Guantanamo.
My point is and always will be... to make such a comparison does nothing
but try to EXCUSE what aspect of the holocaust is being compared to
Guantanamo. It is impossible to compare Dachau to Guantanamo without
recognizing that in doing so it is necessary to EXCUSE the murders committed
in Dachau, for any comparison to be even slightly believable. And that was
what Ol' Racist Nev was attempting to do... unequivocally...without the slight
possibility of it being otherwise. He tried to imply that murder did not
occur in Dachau, for two reasons -- 1) He is a holocaust denier, an anti-Semite,
and a neo-Nazi. 2) He needed to deny those murders to make it seem in
the slightest believable that such a comparison could be made.
The smallest 'concentration camp' in Nazi Germany during WW II was at least
a hundred times more ruthless than any comparison to Guantanamo. And trying
to make ANY comparison is simply trying to imply that the holocaust was
'not so bad' for the Jews. That is EXACTLY what Ol' Racist Nev implied
OVER AND OVER. Dachau was humans... limping in the melting snow, at best
on wooden soles, while some were bare. Waiting in line with savage patience
for a few pieces of potato, often in vain. Driven desperate by hunger, the
gnawing of their stomach growing more acute each day. The Kapos, picked
as the most brutal from among the prisoners kept in Dachau, brutalizing,
harassing and tormenting other prisoners sometimes more than the guards.
Emaciated, eternally wearing the same clothes and rags. Steadily growing
thinner, muscles becoming weak. Becoming apathetic, dull... skin growing
dry... color growing ashen... eyes sink in their sockets.. cheekbones sticking
out starkly... heads becoming elongated. Edema and swelling and afflicted
with constant and severe diarrhea. And forced to go to work in that condition!!
And that was the BEST part of Dachau. The worst were the MURDERS
that took place in medical experiments, simple murder indiscriminately
committed at random, and at the end, just before the War ended... even
the gassings.
Anyone who would try to compare that with Guantanamo is a HOLOCAUST
DENIER... as plain as anything anyone might see on this God-forsaken
planet.
PV
[1]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
[2]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305271322.6bef6222%40posting.google.com
[3]
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar03.html
[4]
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/JPB.html
[5]
http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<a76lmvcab45jlt357...@4ax.com>...
>
>
>Everything clipped and 95% of it unread. The truth about PV's giggling
>at the holocaust can be found here:
>
Ah... none are so blind as those who cannot see... or read... or have the
ability to form a rational reply. That's 'three strikes,' JPB. Just like those
three monkeys... no see... no hear...no speak...
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
>
Pay attention gentle reader -- since what follows is my appeal
to JPB to exhibit some 'human side' to his character. An appeal
to him to no longer support murderers, and concepts which
support murderers, but consider the victim. JPB describes such
an appeal as "spam." And HE certainly has depicted the holocaust
as a "game," since he was the first to call it such -- In the very
post he suggests everyone read. How 'stepping on your dick'
ignorant is that? He provides the sword with which he intends
to reduce his lies to ribbons. There is no question where he
is heading... HE sees the holocaust, and the dialog between us
right now... as a "game." He's 'big on games.' He's played
them so often in his defense of the 'Great White Whale,' lying,
distorting and accusing. [1]
JPB is in fact, the one who finds the holocaust is nothing but a
"game," and he now demonstrates he intends to engage in that
"game" with his usual evil production of 'love for murderers,'
and 'love for those who love murderers.' But there are no
"games" to be played with the holocaust. I will only play
"games" with the ignorance that JPB has displayed throughout
his entire posting history in AADP ---
It was a 'dark and stormy night, when it all began --
Overcome with 'love' for the 'Great White Whale.' JPB could
no longer contain his desire and pursued her across the pages of
AADP... praying each night that she might read his words, or
someone might mention him to her. But 'rejection' has always
been a big part of JPB's life. And alas... he has not heard a
word from her... other than a letter from her solicitor advising
him that he was under a harassment restraint and needed to
stay 100 miles away from her, if he expected not to be prosecuted.
In any case, I understand that she's now hooked up with some
equally huge British wrestler. They have become a British
tag-team wrestling pair, wrestling under the names 'Bouncing
Bob and Betty.' Catch them at the Emporium, every Tuesday
night. JPB, of course, can only watch them on TV, given
the restraining order in place.
In any case... AADP has obviously now been cursed with JPB's
presence, more because of yours truly than anything else... since
I find him so laughable. And he becomes enraged when I do.
Perhaps my having been responsible for his presence is why
the 'death threats' against me, from certain abolitionists have
increased.
Simply put -- It began with his support for a baby killer- Simply
one overweight baby-killer [1].
It progressed to support for a monstrous murderer of tens of
thousands of his own countrymen. Another one that he
began to obsessively show deep affection for -- Saddam.
Crying his eyes out at the fact Saddam's regime had fallen [2].
It then shifted to JPB's support for a poster who found no gradation
between murderers and innocent slaves. No difference between
them whatsoever. And he supported that view in a quite violent
outburst. [3]
All the while... lurking in the background, was his obsession with
his MESSIAH, the Nameless One, since he had supported him in
his love-affair with the 'Great White Whale' The references to all
of that support are too lengthy to list here.. but they must number in the
hundreds. And on that dirty road... The Nameless One ended by
calling JPB a liar...when he posted -- "PV is right." [4] How those
words must still stab JPB in the heart! Three simple words... "PV
is right." And JPB is a liar! Talk about your 'magic moments'!!!
I've been savoring that for quite some time now. And don't think
I'll ever forget those three magic words -- "PV is right." I've
even had a poster made, of those 'magic words.' It hangs on the
wall just above my monitor, and I glance at it frequently.
But then it took an ugly turn, as it always does when racism rears
its ugly head... as JPB's true violent and convulsive KKK posting
style began to emerge. Soon it was recognized that most of his
posts were written right after he had read one of my scathing
assaults on his every pathetic 'argument.' And we could see JPB
go ballistic after reading them, at the recognition of being
bitch-slapped up and down AADP, by yours truly. A truly
tragicomic character began to emerged.
It now turned into his 'defense' of racism -- never a 'good thing. First
by defending the posting of as many racist slurs as the Nameless One
desired to post... simply calling them "common pejorative" terms [5].
Of course, in the process of defending a racist, it became necessary for
him to tell me to take my anti-racism elsewhere...so he told me, in no
uncertain terms to leave AADP, and take my anti-racism into a group
that would appreciate it, because he didn't, and I should leave the group
to racists in AADP [6]. This is a common method among racists,
with the Nameless One also having 'ordered off of AADP,' any
member who did not _vote_ for his racism in his now famous
"BEGGING AADP" post. That still waits for even one _vote_.
JPB then began focusing on his hate for any race other than his own... and
his vicious attacks on MLK began to escalate... with JPB characterizing
MLK as a "Phoney," and MLK's life work as simply a "gimmick." Using
me as a conduit to express his racism... now fully exposed. [7] This
sorry period will probably not end here... and again as I promised
another... and that has come to pass -- I make the same promise to JPB --
"You are a cancer! Your are the bubonic plague! You are Satan come in
human form! And you are WRONG...DEAD WRONG. Believe me,
this will get ugly and not end neatly!!"
And it has now culminated with his hate for the Jews. As it was
probably doomed to do. Beginning with his full support and defense
of an admitted holocaust denier, Ol' Racist Nev... also certainly
characterized as a neo-Nazi by Simon Wiesenthal, in his style of
posting. [8] While even Ol' Racist Nev managed to characterize
HIMSELF as a holocaust denier, in three separate posts,
where he defines what HE believes a holocaust denier is, and then
follows later with demonstrating the same behavior that he defined [9]
>And the evidence backing up every claim made in the above post,
>including all the relevant URLs, is here:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
>
FINALLY --
place in Eastern Europe. [8] But those murders committed in
Dachau can NEVER BE IGNORED.
>PV: the man who giggled about the holocaust.
You're confused again, JPB. That was Ol' Racist Nev, who attempted to
'use' the holocaust to imply that Guantanamo was 'just as bad' as Dachau.
And you are "giggling" because you find it funny to claim that Dachau was
'not so bad.' Do you believe that Guantanamo is 'just as bad' as Dachau
was? It's obviously a hypothetical question, since you've never answered
even one of my questions before, and I really don't expect you to change
in any way. But I will answer... It is an OBSCENITY to compare any
aspect of the holocaust with Guantanamo. Nor do I intend a 'defense'
of Guantanamo. My point is and always will be... to make such a
comparison does nothing but try to EXCUSE what aspect of the
holocaust is being compared to Guantanamo. It is impossible to
compare Dachau to Guantanamo without recognizing that in doing so
it is necessary to EXCUSE the murders committed in Dachau, for any
comparison to be even slightly believable. And that was what Ol' Racist
Nev was attempting to do... unequivocally...without the slight possibility
of it being otherwise. He tried to imply that murder did not occur in
Dachau, for two reasons -- 1) He is a holocaust denier, an anti-Semite,
and a neo-Nazi. 2) He needed to deny those murders to make it seem
in the slightest - believable that such a comparison could be made.
The smallest 'concentration camp' in Nazi Germany during WW II was
at least a hundred times more ruthless than any comparison to Guantanamo.
And Dachau is recognized as the 'standard' for the worst of the worst
within the "Altreich." [10] And trying to make ANY comparison is simply
trying to imply that the holocaust was 'not so bad' for the Jews. That is
EXACTLY what Ol' Racist Nev implied OVER AND OVER. Dachau
was humans... limping in the melting snow, at best on wooden soles, while
some were bare. Waiting in line with savage patience for a few pieces
of potato, often in vain. Driven desperate by hunger, the gnawing of their
stomach growing more acute each day. The Kapos, picked as the most
brutal from among the prisoners kept in Dachau, brutalizing, harassing
and tormenting other prisoners sometimes more than the guards.
Emaciated, eternally wearing the same clothes and rags. Steadily growing
thinner, muscles becoming weak. Becoming apathetic, dull... skin growing
dry... color growing ashen... eyes sink in their sockets.. cheekbones sticking
out starkly... heads becoming elongated. Edema and swelling and afflicted
with constant and severe diarrhea. And forced to go to work in that condition!!
And that was the BEST part of Dachau. The worst were the MURDERS
that took place in medical experiments, simple murder indiscriminately
committed at random, and at the end, just before the War ended... even
the gassings.
Anyone who would try to compare that with Guantanamo is a HOLOCAUST
DENIER... as plain as anything anyone might see on this God-forsaken
planet.
PV
[1]
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/JPB.html
[2]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0304210457.7345c75b%40posting.google.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0305050535.5fdd3d95%40posting.google.com
[3]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0305300225.1471ff8e%40posting.google.com
[4]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020830212952.10684.00000094%40mb-cu.aol.com
[5]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0210190921.266bc312%40posting.google.com
[6]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0303040404.6ec39dbc%40posting.google.com
[7]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0305300225.1471ff8e%40posting.google.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0305280104.10afa0cf%40posting.google.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309110241.336717aa%40posting.google.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0305231107.6482442%40posting.google.com
[8]
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar03.html
[9]
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305271322.6bef6222%40posting.google.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305300601.31e990fc%40posting.google.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305290530.16495221%40posting.google.com
[10]
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dachau/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
>
> "John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:MrAab.4893$YL1.2...@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
>> Dachau was just as horrendous as anything that the Nazi's
> Ignore the above - sent inadvertantly.
You still don't get away with that egregious greengrocer's apostrophe, John.
Mr Q. Z. D.
--
Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
"They've got to be protected/All their rights respected ((o))
Until someone we like can be elected." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
Just passing by
< PV's latest insult to the holocaust victims, whom he considers
worthy of nothing more than yet more spam, clipped >
I thought for one moment that I had finally succeeded in shaming PV
into (for one post at least) refraining from insulting the victims of
the Nazi holocaust by using them to support his spamming campaign. The
last time he posted on this subject, he posted no less than SIX (not
five as I previously said) messages in one day containing identical
copied & pasted text. Those messages were for the purpose of defending
his earlier giggling at the holocaust and exploiting it for the
"games" he has played in this group. The wording of the spam was
clearly designed to give the impression that, in spite of having
laughed about the holocaust, PV cares deeply about it, its victims
and the lessons the world must learn from it. Those words were written
to create the impression that they were posted with feeling and
emotion. But I ask you, how much feeling and emotion goes into
clicking on the paste button or pressing the Ctrl & V keys on the
keyboard over and over again?
After first looking at this latest post from PV and quickly scanning
through it, I thought that he had at last got the message. I didn't
see any blocks of text that looked familiar and so I was prepared to
not clip it in my reply and to answer it in the normal way.
But then I opened another message PV posted at around the same time
(in the "We Were Right" thread) and to my dismay, what I saw was this
very same message, this identical text, this same spam. PV has (so
far) posted/pasted this same text in two separate messages. HE IS
STILL SPAMMING!
Yes, still spamming on the subject of the holocaust, of all subjects.
So my first reaction in believing that he had learned his lesson, that
he had at last decided to pay the victims of the Nazi holocaust the
respect they deserve, that he had finally been shamed into stopping
the spam, at least for this most sombre of topics, was wrong. It was
wrong because, as this latest spam from PV finally proves beyond a
shadow of doubt, the man has absolutely no shame.
And in case anyone thinks that "spamming" is the wrong word to
describe what PV is doing here, and that spam is exclusively something
used by people selling get-rich-quick schemes and the like, let me
assure you that PV doesn't believe that. PV recognises that to
repeatedly paste the same text into newsgroup messages as a substitute
for debating is indeed spamming. Consider these following words:
_________________________________
This is day 3 of my pick of the day, AS901 crap which has been
forwarded to bothp...@pacbell.net and ab...@swbell.net, with my
standard complaint of spam.
"as901" <as...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:38EC55E6...@pacbell.net...
> I have taken what the pro VA forces would like us to believe and given
> it a name.
(Rest of crap clipped but sent to ISP.
________________________________
The above post is at:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b13H4.742%24p4.19057%40newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net
And here is another similar complaint about spam from that same
poster:
____________________________________________
Day 4. This is the representative post of AS901 spam which I have sent
to ab...@swbell.net and pol...@pacbell.net. "as901" <as...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:38ED425E...@pacbell.net...
I believe it to be the main cause. I posted facts and links. I will
post again and maybe this time you will have your mommy read it to you
.... etc.
____________________________________________
The full post is at:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=GYnH4.4984%24y4.132389%40newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net
And the person making those complaints about spam from another poster
was, you guessed it, A Planet Visitor.
And now, guilty of the most astonishing hypocrisy imaginable, is A
Planet Visitor, spamming, not about some relatively minor matter as
that which the subject of his complaint - someone called AS901 - was
doing, but about the Nazi Holocaust.
That is all PV thinks those holocaust victims are worth - spam. He
couldn't even be bothered to properly defend himself from accusations
of disrespecting their memories by posting spam, so, to rub those
memories even further into the dirt, he posted more spam.
And make no mistake, he is laughing about this too.
The true story about PV laughing at the holocaust:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
The evidence that he did so, including all relevant URLs:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
A Planet visitor: the man who laughs about the holocaust and thinks it
deserving of nothing better than spam.
A Planet Visitor
the holocaust revisionist wrote:
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<7cvpmvo404demirg7...@4ax.com>...
>
>< PV's latest insult to the holocaust victims, whom he considers
>worthy of nothing more than yet more spam, clipped >
>
What is insulting to those victims is your intention to erase their
existence in their murders. That is what both you and Ol' Racist Nev
have worked hard to do. That is the BOTTOM LINE of this whole
dialog... and you simply refuse to address that issue. You both argue
that the murders committed in Dachau must be ignored, since to both
of you.. it was 'only a concentration camp.' While you have directly
called the holocaust a "game" to you. See--
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
That is not only your 'latest insult' but a continuation of NOTHING BUT
your 'insults' of those murdered victims in Dachau. My comments have
always been that those murdered victims in Dachau CANNOT be
forgotten. Both you and Ol' Racist Nev, would just as soon they
BE forgotten... in your dual-roles as holocaust deniers and Neo-Nazis.
>I thought for one moment that I had finally succeeded in shaming PV
>into (for one post at least) refraining from insulting the victims of
>the Nazi holocaust by using them to support his spamming campaign.
You only shamed yourself, in trying to erase those murders committed
in Dachau. You are the one insulting them. You're an admitted
"holocaust revisionist," JPB. And I am too "inept" to deal with those
such as you. You have stated so. Although in my 'ineptness' it's
been my great honor to expose you over and over during your entire
stay here. It's not easy dealing with a "holocaust revisionist," since
they use claims such as
==> There were no murder of Jews in Dachau -- because it was
'only a concentration camp' - not a 'death camp' <==
and
==> Don't ask me to weep for victims of the holocaust or Dachau
because that's just "spam" <==
and
==> Don't worry about the holocaust... it was only a "game." <==
Each of those claims come from you and Ol' Racist Nev.
The one you've been using since you followed along behind your
NEW MESSIAH...Ol' Racist Nev. [1] Although you do fill a part
of my "personal ends." Which are to expose murderer lovers,
racists, and anti-Semites. You have been one of my better sources
of exposing them, having demonstrated exactly the behavior I speak
of throughout your posting history here. Even though I am quite
"inept" in doing so... it's the effort and the purpose that counts.
I believe that in my posts here ==> I destroyed _your_ meaning.
Which was a cynical attempt to clean up your image.<==
EFFECT -- MOTIVE.
> The
>last time he posted on this subject, he posted no less than SIX (not
>five as I previously said) messages in one day containing identical
>copied & pasted text.
And yet... and yet... and yet... not one tiny tear from you in respect to
any of those victims. Simply calling an appeal for you to shed such a
tiny tear... unsolicited, intrusive and offensive "spam." How many
will it take for you to shed a tear for the victims, JPB? how many?
I recall how violently irate you became, over a period of MONTHS,
when a tribute was offered to MLK. That was another case of my
"inept" offering of such a tribute, which obviously was not sufficient
poised to withstand attacks from dedicated and determined racists
such as yourself. What can we say? - Evil triumphed? MLK was
destroyed by YOU?? You achieved your racist ends, while my
"personal ends" of anti-racism lays battered and broken? Racism
WINS??? I don't think so... nor do I believe the evil of your
admitted role as a "holocaust revisionist" will 'win' here either.
But I am certain now that I can do nothing about your evil... except
attack it... with my admitted "inept" abilities. It is almost always
impossible to deal with a 'determined liar,' such as you, who will
simply repeat and repeat his lies... without end...distort each and
every word... without end... ignore all and every argument... without
end... and never address any of the actual issues or questions raised...
without end. Fascists demonstrated that very effectively, showing
that only physical might could overcome their lies. And in this forum,
fascists function quite efficiently, given the imaginary nature of this
forum. One perfectly suited for your fascist methods and your
racist and "holocaust revisionist" lies. Such as here... where
you actually do not say anything, other than attack me, and refuse
to shed a tear for any victim.
> Those messages were for the purpose of defending
>his earlier giggling at the holocaust and exploiting it for the
>"games" he has played in this group.
All the excuses in the world will not allow you to hide from
the fact that YOU called the holocaust a "game," not me.
And YOU STATED that I was "giggling" because I had
showed a revulsion at the argument, offered by Ol' Racist
Nev, that no murders had occurred in Dachau. Your
meaning is that you SEE "giggling" whenever someone
expresses REVULSION at an aspect of the holocaust.
You find the holocaust 'nothing to be that concerned
about' (just a "game" to you), so the poster MUST be
only "giggling." Well.. we all (even little ol' "inept" me)
recognize that as the 'work' of the "holocaust revisionist."
Hoping to convince everyone that the 'holocaust wasn't
as bad as all those people say it was.' But trust me... it
WAS as bad as all those people say it was... and MORE
SOME. Do not deny those murders by the tens
of thousands that occurred in Dachau, in your "holocaust
revisionist" role, JPB. They ACTUALLY happened.
And they are a stain on our souls. Doubly so... if like
you and Ol' Racist Nev.. you deny they are there.
> The wording of the spam was
>clearly designed to give the impression that, in spite of having
>laughed about the holocaust, PV cares deeply about it, its victims
Only you have laughed at the holocaust, JPB... calling it a "game."
Only you. Even as "inept" as I am... that's as clear as anything
could be.
>and the lessons the world must learn from it. Those words were written
>to create the impression that they were posted with feeling and
>emotion. But I ask you, how much feeling and emotion goes into
>clicking on the paste button or pressing the Ctrl & V keys on the
>keyboard over and over again?
>
I believe what I've posted needed to be 'banged into your head,'
simply because you are such a Jew-hater. If it doesn't penetrate
the first time... and it obviously did not, then I have only to try....
try again. Obviously the "lessons the world must learn from it,"
have not penetrated down to your particular level yet... that's
why I need to keep repeating it.
>After first looking at this latest post from PV and quickly scanning
>through it, I thought that he had at last got the message.
You mean you <clipped unread>. If it were anything but the
holocaust, that would demand a laugh. But... it's simply tragic
that you could ignore words posed in condemnation of the
holocaust. I'll bet you don't miss a word from David Irving,
however. I'll bet HE'S LAUGHING. You've done 'good
work' for him in this thread, JPB.
> I didn't
>see any blocks of text that looked familiar and so I was prepared to
>not clip it in my reply and to answer it in the normal way.
>
You mean in your normal holocaust denial way, of course.
>But then I opened another message PV posted at around the same time
>(in the "We Were Right" thread) and to my dismay, what I saw was this
>very same message, this identical text, this same spam. PV has (so
>far) posted/pasted this same text in two separate messages. HE IS
>STILL SPAMMING!
>
You're one crazy SOB... I'll say that. But... WHY do you
hate the Jews? Or do you call that "spam"?
>Yes, still spamming on the subject of the holocaust, of all subjects.
I guess that answers my question... you DO call it "spam" if someone
directly asks WHY you hate the Jews? That neatly avoids offering
any form of answer. Of course there has not been any answer from
you for even ONE QUESTION that I've ever posed to you. So,
I would offer what you consider "spam" yet again. But I'm sure you
will <clip unread> in your reply... having never actually been able
to understand what is being said here... it's just "spam" to you. So
I will save you the 'heavy duty labor' of clipping it all. You only
have to clip the link to it == [2].
>So my first reaction in believing that he had learned his lesson, that
>he had at last decided to pay the victims of the Nazi holocaust the
>respect they deserve, that he had finally been shamed into stopping
>the spam, at least for this most sombre of topics, was wrong. It was
>wrong because, as this latest spam from PV finally proves beyond a
>shadow of doubt, the man has absolutely no shame.
>
The only "respect" that you've ever paid to the victims of the Nazi
holocaust is denying they have any meaning in their murders in
Dachau. And that's NOT respect... but DISRESPECT to those
murdered victims. Taking the full side of Ol' Racist Nev, and
fanatically arguing that there were no murders of Jews in Dachau...
because it was only a very small 'concentration camp.' And when
I tried to give MEANING to their murders... why... you just said
it was only "giggling" since their murders have NO MEANING to
you.
>And in case anyone thinks that "spamming" is the wrong word to
>describe what PV is doing here, and that spam is exclusively something
>used by people selling get-rich-quick schemes and the like, let me
>assure you that PV doesn't believe that. PV recognises that to
>repeatedly paste the same text into newsgroup messages as a substitute
>for debating is indeed spamming. Consider these following words:
>
Consider my previous definition of "spam" -- unsolicited, intrusive
and offensive. The posts of AS901, into a group, where he was
seen as a pariah by every member of that group, meets every standard
of those three conditions. He was not 'retired military' but posting
to a newsgroup dedicated to 'retired military.' he was not a 'Vietnam
veteran' but posting to a newsgroup dedicated to 'Vietnam veterans.'
His posts ALWAYS and ONLY were PERSONAL complaints about
his medical condition, and how he felt the VA owed him a retirement
and free medical care, although he had been discharged as "unsuitable
for service" as proven by other members having investigated his past
military record. He had wrecked a jeep in Korea, while on guard duty,
and was courts-martialed for it, and had to pay for the damages. He
was cashiered out of the military as 'unsuitable,' yet he used that accident
to claim all sorts of ailments, ranging from epilepsy on down. None of
them conceivably related to military service. In all cases they turned
him down... but he continued to rave in these groups, who could
obviously do nothing for him. They treated him with respect for a
long time... until the goblins started to come out of the closet and
it was realized what a lunatic he was. Just as the goblins are beginning
to come out of your closet. He was a total pain in the ass, in a
newsgroup that is actually meant as a more comradely group, rather
than the confrontational group one expects to find in AADP. The
more I think of it... the more all of YOUR posts resemble "spam."
--------------------------------------
But it's actually rather FRIGHTENING how demented you have become...
intrusively going back so many years... to a group totally divorced from
this one... and picking out the most inane examples to begin raving
about. I really am AFRAID of you... seriously. In a physical sense.
Because you certainly now appear to me to be becoming unhinged...
mentally. More so that any other poster, EVER. You are certainly
one very real reason why I do not disclose my REAL NAME and
location, even if you live in the U.K. I would certainly not call Louise
Woodward, the 'Great White Whale' in any real life argument with
you, in fear that you would ACTUALLY retaliate in a dangerous
way... PHYSICALLY. And if we were to hold THIS dialog in real life...
I believe I would DISTANCE myself PHYSICALLY from you...
post haste... with a smile upon my departure, and a hope that you
presume you have won. And then go home and oil my automatic,
and check the locks on my door.
Your obsessions are just too irrational. And in 'real life' I would
certainly not involve myself in any arguments with you in respect
to racism or anti-Semitism, since it's obvious to me that your
feelings in support of racism and anti-Semitism are something I
could not deal with. I would be afraid that I would find a
flaming cross burning on my lawn some evening, and a big "X'
marked on my front door for future reference.
You seem unsettling disturbed to me. Unable to separate this
imaginary forum from REAL LIFE, in some DELUSIONAL
SENSE. You have a serious mental problem, demonstrated by
your behavior here. Really!!! Looking for 'evidence' of my
calling another poster's posts "spam." From another group,
quite different than this group... so many years ago. While
obviously so demented that YOU have called my present posts
"spam." Posts which are condemnations of the holocaust, and
condemnations of anyone presuming that murders did not
occur in Dachau... because they argue that Dachau was 'only'
a concentration camp. And then you call the holocaust a
"game." That's frightening!! Your obsessions are just a bit too
deep for me, JPB. When you become obsessed... such as with
the 'Great White Whale,' or hate for MLK, or hate for me, or
hate for Jews... you become enraged, and irrational... as you
have now become... and at that point, nothing is beneath you,
in any dialog.
Nor do I see you as a confrontational kind of guy... since you
actually avoid serious discussions. You simply want your way...
and that's it. As with the 'Great White Whale.' You're more
the seductive and sneaky type, judging from your posting style.
And in real life, you strike me as the kind of guy who, if he is
irritated by another, will WAIT... and follow... and WAIT...and
at the minimum... puncture all the tires on that guy's car. Or
make constant harassing phone calls, or worse. Because I
see you as the type who, finding you could not get your way...
or if you were fired or released from a job... would return with
a weapon to do physical damage, at a later date, after the rage,
and 'desire for some imaginary revenge, now very real revenge...
boiled over inside you. You could not 'get your way,' with the
'Great White Whale' argument with me... and it spilled over into
so many other hateful areas that exposed your great emotional
vulnerabilities and horrendous hate for so many of our species.
In that sense, I thank God for Usenet... because here you are
an impotent piece of crap. And I will insure that everyone knows
it... since I am protected by the anonymity of Usenet. So fair
warning to the Nameless One.. or anyone here... do not EVER
reveal my REAL NAME if you happen to learn it!!
----------------------------------------------------
>_________________________________
>
>This is day 3 of my pick of the day, AS901 crap which has been
>forwarded to bothp...@pacbell.net and ab...@swbell.net, with my
>standard complaint of spam.
>
>"as901" <as...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:38EC55E6...@pacbell.net...
>> I have taken what the pro VA forces would like us to believe and given
>> it a name.
>(Rest of crap clipped but sent to ISP.
>
And the dementia deepens...
>________________________________
>
>The above post is at:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b13H4.742%24p4.19057%40newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net
>
>And here is another similar complaint about spam from that same
>poster:
>
And deepens....
>____________________________________________
>
>Day 4. This is the representative post of AS901 spam which I have sent
>to ab...@swbell.net and pol...@pacbell.net. "as901" <as...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:38ED425E...@pacbell.net...
>I believe it to be the main cause. I posted facts and links. I will
>post again and maybe this time you will have your mommy read it to you
>.... etc.
And deepens....
>____________________________________________
>
>The full post is at:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=GYnH4.4984%24y4.132389%40newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net
>
And deepens...
>And the person making those complaints about spam from another poster
>was, you guessed it, A Planet Visitor.
>
And the person calling it "spam" when someone weeps for all
victims? ... well... you guessed it, JPB. And the person who calls the
holocaust a "game" was?.... well...you guessed it again, JPB.
Unbelievable... Is this the work of your 'literary fingerprinting' program?
You pathetic imbecile. The best you can do...going back to another group...
totally unconnected to anything here. YOU are the one calling MY posts
"spam." I have not called yours so... but now that you mention it... Yes... your
posts are ALL spam. And I believe I will report you to the abuse hotline.
Would that be ab...@greatwhitewhalelovers.com ?? Like I said.. you
are SO pathetic. And it warms my heart each time you demonstrate
exactly how pathetic you are. Because if you were not... you'd be a
danger to humanity. But given the fact that EVERYONE of reason finds you
laughable... you would be... simply laughable. Unfortunately this is a dialog
about the holocaust, and you are not laughable here... but profoundly
wretched. Although you do provide some ready ammunition for my
"personal ends" fight against murderer lovers, racists, and anti-Semites.
>And now, guilty of the most astonishing hypocrisy imaginable, is A
>Planet Visitor, spamming, not about some relatively minor matter as
>that which the subject of his complaint - someone called AS901 - was
>doing, but about the Nazi Holocaust.
But then.. how many times prior to your hypocritical offering of
"spam" meant to deny the holocaust, have you ever even mentioned it?
Well... let's see -- that was when I first detected that you were in love
with the 'Great White Whale,' [3] and you presumed that I was too 'inept' to
debate the holocaust. Claiming to John Rennie that "holocaust revisionists"
would have a "Field Day" with me. It appears that you still feel that way...
since you now claim the "holocaust revisionist" Ol' Racist Nev is having a
"field day" with me. And seem to believe that YOU, as another
"holocaust revisionist" are having a "field day" with me. Ah yes... how
well you identified yourself and Ol' Racist Nev as those "holocaust revisionists."
Believing you are having a "field day" with me... by calling statements
such as the following from me in respect to the holocaust .. "spam."
"In fact, there is NO EVENT IN HISTORY which can be compared
to the holocaust. There have been other slaughters in the history
of our species. Those that even cost many more lives in number...but
none were EVER brought to the diabolical mechanical precision and
analytical assembly-line methods that existed in the holocaust. This was a
methodical murdering madness... salvaging and stockpiling clothing and
shoes... removing gold from the teeth of corpses. Examining the rectums
of the corpses for hidden jewels. Random executions of every third prisoners
standing in rows, as punishment for some simple infraction of the 'rules.'
Crematories running day and night, belching out the ashes of human beings."
and
"Dachau was humans... limping in the melting snow, at best on wooden soles,
while some were bare. Waiting in line with savage patience for a few pieces
of potato, often in vain. Driven desperate by hunger, the gnawing of their
stomach growing more acute each day. The Kapos, picked as the most
brutal from among the prisoners kept in Dachau, brutalizing, harassing
and tormenting other prisoners sometimes more than the guards.
Emaciated, eternally wearing the same clothes and rags. Steadily growing
thinner, muscles becoming weak. Becoming apathetic, dull... skin growing
dry... color growing ashen... eyes sink in their sockets.. cheekbones sticking
out starkly... heads becoming elongated. Edema and swelling and afflicted
with constant and severe diarrhea. And forced to go to work in that condition!!
And that was the BEST part of Dachau. The worst were the MURDERS
that took place in medical experiments, simple murder indiscriminately
committed at random, and at the end, just before the War ended... even
the gassings."
etc... etc...
But given the fact that you're now an ADMITTED "holocaust revisionist," I can
well understand that the only words you would find are not "spam" are those
of Ol' Racist Nev... who posted --
"Cos I say Dachau wasn't a death-camp?">
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0306020717.5606f088%40posting.google.com
"Dachau, Belson, Buchanwald were concentration camps, all of which held
'career-criminals', political-prisoners and the 'work-shy' to begin with, later on
also _POWs_ and (at the very end) evacuated Jews from the forced-labour
camps and death-camps in the east.
All three camps I mention were _concentration camps_. _'Gitmo' is a
concentration camp_. If Donna's article is to be believed it may soon
become a death-camp too."
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305271322.6bef6222%40posting.google.com
"I must stress that Dachau, Belson, and Buchanwald were _not_ used as
death-camps for Jews."Notice the EMPHASIS underline on "_not_,"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305290530.16495221%40posting.google.com
"Dachau wasn't a "death-camp".
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=f85d58f0.0306181313.5b5a3966%40posting.google.com
>That is all PV thinks those holocaust victims are worth - spam. He
>couldn't even be bothered to properly defend himself from accusations
>of disrespecting their memories by posting spam, so, to rub those
>memories even further into the dirt, he posted more spam.
>
That's rather expected, coming from you... a now admitted "holocaust
revisionist," claiming to be having a "field day" with me in my "inept"
expressions of revulsion and disgust at anyone who would claim that
-there were no murders of Jews in Dachau, because it wasn't a death-camp-
as both you and Ol' Racist Nev claim.
You're much more capable of providing denial of those murders than
I could wish. As long as you now admit you're a "holocaust revisionist"
having a "field day" with an "inept" believer that the holocaust did
actually happen. I admit that you've done a fine job for David Irving,
as one of his "holocaust revisionists," and that characterization of
my revulsion at the murders committed in Dachau... calling it simply
"spam," was one of the better ploys that "holocaust revisionists" use
to deny the holocaust. But you rather slipped up in your use of
calling the holocaust a "game." Even other "holocaust revisionists"
gasped at that characterization.
>And make no mistake, he is laughing about this too.
>
As you are an admitted "holocaust revisionist" and claim to have
proven that no murders occurred in Dachau... I SHOULD be laughing.
If it were only not the holocaust we were speaking of. Since nothing
about the holocaust can possibly be seen as laughing. Although, as
an admitted "holocaust revisionist," I understand that you would
find any suggestion of its actual grotesque effect on our entire
species, as 'simply laughable.' But you are wrong, of course.
Regardless of how "inept" I am, when faced with the overpowering
evil of a "holocaust revisionist" such as yourself, I am absolutely
certain... to the depths of my soul, and with every fiber of my
being... that there is NOTHING to laugh about in the holocaust...
although again... I'm sure you would disagree with that.
>
>The true story about PV laughing at the holocaust:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
>
I thought you weren't into repeats? In every post you've offered... you
have repeated this same offering of a lie. And presume others are
too stupid to even look at it, so you can simply walk away
in your smug racist, "holocaust revisionist" persona, having posted one
line in a half-dozen posts.
Why do you hate the Jews, JPB? What drives this rage inside of you that
you would call it a "giggle" when someone expresses revulsion in respect
to the murders committed in the holocaust? Why would you call the murder
of MILLIONS of Jews, simply a "game" to you? Why would you try to
erase the black stain of Dachau, by agreeing that it was 'no worse than
Guantanamo'? These are questions that go directly to the heart of some
rage inside of you. And I'd really like to know WHY? Why do you hate
the Jews? Or more precisely....Why do you hate all victims? Why are
your perceptions of our worth totally topsy-turvy? If you could express it
concisely, I might be able to get a better grasp on the anti-Semitism in
Europe. But presently I am at a loss, without understanding WHY you
hate the Jews? At least for a start to examine your rage. Have they
HARMED you in the past? Does their appearance trouble you? Do you
fear them? Did you parents teach you how to hate? It would also help
me understand why Ol' Racist Nev hates the Jews so much.
But I'm sure you find those words -- simply more "spam." Unsolicited,
intrusive, and offensive.
Listen carefully, JPB... since I will provide a profound truth to you -- One
can only be "giggling" when they try to EXCUSE or ERASE the scope
of a monstrous event, such as when Ol' Racist Nev tried to EXCUSE
and ERASE the scope of the holocaust by intimating that Dachau was 'not
as bad as Guantanamo.' When I stated that he had found Dachau to be
OKAY, that was not a "giggle," but a recognition that he was intent on
INSULTING every victim murdered in Dachau. If it enraged you.. it
served its purpose. And the same is in evidence with 'murderer lover'
as he tries to EXCUSE and ERASE the scope of 9//11, by adding his
'signature giggle' in an expression of the U.S. getting its comeuppance, as
far as he is concerned. While totally unconcerned that his methods might
be seen as an insult to those murdered victims. You see both Ol' Racist
Nev and the Nameless One are INSULTING the murdered victims. I
have never expressed any such thought. I have NEVER expressed
ANYTHING but absolute revulsion in respect to the holocaust
(and 9/11). Ol' Racist Nev tried to EXCUSE and ERASE the scope
of the holocaust by insinuating in so many instances that Dachau was no
worse than Guantanamo. Don't you think that is an attempt to show that no
murders were committed in Dachau? If you cannot see that HE was
insulting those murdered in Dachau... I feel for you. And if you contend
that I feel anything other than an expression of my rage that Ol' Racist
Nev would try to DIMINISH the holocaust in such a manner, then you
are the one who is "giggling." And it's an ugly sight.
>The evidence that he did so, including all relevant URLs:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
>
Repeating again... but thank you for that reference, since it rather
FINALLY --
of Nazi ideology." That's the Jews... and that's Dachau. Or are you
calling Simon Wiesenthal a liar?
Was Dachau 'only' a concentration camp, as Ol' Racist Nev
INSISTED? One is which no murders took place? Or did the
murder of Jews at Dachau take place on a scale which can be
recognized as being a 'death camp'? Do those murders committed
in Dachau suddenly not 'count' -- because there were 'death
camps' where a mechanical and methodical extermination of
human beings at the rate of up to 2,000 a day were taking place?
At what point do we find it necessary to reason that murders
of so many people... literally scream out for us to term it a 'death
camp,' even if there were no mechanical and methodical exterminations
of human beings taking place at the rate of other sites in Eastern
Europe. You see... my point has ALWAYS been that Ol' Racist
Nev wanted to FORGET about the murders committed in Dachau...
arguing that 'they don't count,' because of those other sites in
Eastern Europe. But Simon Wiesenthal has stated that such thinking
is that of a neo-Nazi, while never denying that the murders having
taken place in Dachau pale in comparison to those having taken
place in Eastern Europe. [4]
You have aligned yourself with some of the most evil human beings
to ever set foot on this planet. Those who committed the murders of
the holocaust in EVERY situation... in EVERY capacity... in EVERY
physical location. The shame you SHOULD feel SHOULD be
overwhelming. But I long ago, realized that 'shame' was not an
emotion you held.
Pardon me, gentle reader, if I refer back to this post in the future, or use
parts of it which essentially have destroyed every bit of the imaginary
'credibility' of JPB. JPB has my permission to refer to it as "spam."
As a "holocaust revisionists" that is the best weapon at his disposal,
since all attempts to actually confront the words, quickly demonstrate
the evil intention behind doing so. Ol' Racist Nev fell into that trap,
and just kept digging himself in deeper and deeper. JPB intends to
avoid doing so... by simply calling everything "spam" that is posted
by me, which would argue that murders of Jews DID occur in Dachau,
and that fact cannot be HIDDEN by simply calling Dachau a
'concentration camp,' or that would ask him to for once in his life...
weep for the victim.
>A Planet visitor: the man who laughs about the holocaust and thinks it
>deserving of nothing better than spam.
JPB... the man who has never shed a tear for any victim anywhere... and
calls any attempt to ask him to shed a tear... nothing but an unsolicited,
intrusive, an offensive request made of him. He finds it 'offensive' to
ask him to shed a tear for the victim... since he uses them all up...
shedding them for their murderers. Thus... I would BEG him. I
would IMPLORE him.... for just ONCE in his pitiful life to examine
his life and look carefully at [2] --
Do it for them, JPB. Don't they at least deserve one little tear from you?
Instead of calling their murders a "game," and accusing someone who
DOES weep for them, of only "giggling"? You see, JPB... I don't
consider those words "spam." Just as I did not consider my tribute to
MLK to be "spam." But it seems that every time someone makes
a request for you to act in a human manner... you dismiss it as
unsolicited, intrusive, and offensive "SPAM," that you wish to have
no part of.
PV
[1] http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/Goblin1.htm
[2] http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/The_victims.htm
[3] http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/JPB.html
[4] http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar03.html
Just passing by
< PV's latest insult to the victims of the Nazi holocaust clipped and
mostly unread >
Just in case anyone is still in any doubt about the reality of PV's
giggling about this subject, just consider the following direct quotes
from another post of his in the "PV and the holocaust" thread. And
bear in mind that these words are from an attempt by him to DENY that
he is giggling. Here they are:
1. "Given your 'expertise' with gogggle (sic), you should be able to
locate the post you claimed in short order. Just a link... like above,
will be sufficient. Or perhaps the cat ate it?"
2. "Don't fret, bullet head..."
3. "That's psychology 101 stuff, sport. BTW -- picked up that book by
Plato yet?"
4. "When I say anything about human behavior it is axiomatic that I am
speaking in my professional capacity as an 'aberrant behavior
psychiatrist.' (I have a case file 12 inches thick on YOU!!)."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=fb6smvko1eldteta86bsul4elsruki8799%404ax.com
That is how seriously PV takes the holocaust.
Other URLs worth checking out:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
The true story of how PV has been giggling about the holocaust and
using it as material to play a "game" with.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
The evidence that PV cannot remove from the archives, even though he
would dearly love to.
A Planet Visitor: the man who giggled about the holocaust, then, when
exposed for doing so, giggled even more, as the four direct quotes
above clearly show.
Just passing by
decided to depart from my usual policy of not reading any post of
yours beyond the first few lines, then quickly scanning to see how far
down the spam started. From what I could see, it is *possible* that
this time you didn't post any spam at all (I could be wrong about
that, as I didn't get to the end for reasons that I explain in a
moment) and so my next thoughts were: "Has he started showing some
respect for the holocaust victims by neither spamming nor playing his
"games" this time?"
But, alas, the latter part of my question was soon answered as I
discovered that you are indeed still playing your "games" by using the
holocaust to lie about what you claim people (including me this time)
have said.
As I said above, I didn't get anywhere near to the end, but from the
little I did read I found numerous examples of your trolling game in
which you deliberately tell the biggest lies you can think of in the
hope of then seeing the target(s) of those lies having to set the
record straight.
So here are just some of those lies exposed. But, PV, don't grin to
widely or giggle too smugly at having caused me to spend time exposing
your lies, because, as I said, I have ignored the main part of your
post and so whatever lies you told in that part have not even been
seen.
PV's giggle number 1:
> What is insulting to those victims is your intention to erase their
> existence in their murders. That is what both you and Ol' Racist Nev
> have worked hard to do. That is the BOTTOM LINE of this whole
> dialog... and you simply refuse to address that issue. You both argue
> that the murders committed in Dachau must be ignored, since to both
> of you.. it was 'only a concentration camp.'
In those, your opening words, you lie about two people - Neville and
myself. Your lie about Neville is that he has said that the murders in
Dachau must be ignored. But Neville has never said that or anything
like it. That is also a lie about me, but in my case it is even more
outrageous because I have never said a single word about Dachau
(except in previously pointing out your lies about Neville's words). I
have never argued about this death camp/concentration camp distinction
one way or the other. If you could prove otherwise with a URL you
would have done so, but you didn't because you can't.
PV's giggle number 2:
> While you have directly called the holocaust a "game" to you.
What a stupid lie that is. As anyone reading this and other threads
will know, I have said repeatedly that the holocaust is a game to YOU
not ME. It certainly isn't a game to me, but the very fact that you
told that lie proves that it is STILL a game to you. You really do go
out of your way to help me prove what I have accused you of, don't
you?
PV's giggle number 3:
> Both you and Ol' Racist Nev, would just as soon they
> BE forgotten... in your dual-roles as holocaust deniers and Neo-Nazis.
Neither of us are either holocaust deniers or neo-Nazis. Who ever
heard of a neo-Nazi who opposes the death penalty? You stupid man!
PV's giggle number 4:
> You only shamed yourself, in trying to erase those murders committed
> in Dachau.
Same answer as to the second part of your giggle number 1.
PV's giggle number 5:
> You're an admitted "holocaust revisionist," JPB.
This shows how very desperate you now are. I know what you did here -
you did a search on my posts for the word "holocaust" and you found
one from April 2002, in which I mocked your cowardly retreat from
arguing about the LW case. After you pretended that you knew
something about the case, I challenged you to prove it. You refused,
claiming that you didn't want to give me a platform and likened doing
so to arguing with those who claim the holocaust never happened. You
wrote:
"I don't argue with those who deny the holocaust ..."
I replied to that with:
"That's probably just as well if this is the best you can do. The
holocaust revisionists would love to have someone so inept, so
predictable and so transparent in the opposite corner. They would have
a field day. So yes, you had better keep out of that debate too."
That is the only post of mine in which you found the term "holocaust
revisionists" (apart from one in which I simply extracted that passage
in a post to John Rennie) and so from that you now claim: 'You're an
admitted "holocaust revisionist," JPB. '
So this astonishing (even by your standards) lie you have introduced
into your "game" is that because I once simply REFERRED to holocaust
revisionists, I therefore have "admitted" being one of them.
I now challenge you to deny that your lie had any other basis than the
one I have detailed above. And if you are going to deny that, show
where I have ever "admitted" being a holocaust revisionist.
You can't do that, and that is why this lie, and all the others above,
are going to come back to haunt you when they are all put together to
show how you have continued to play this "game" of yours even after it
has been exposed.
And that was as much as I bothered reading of your post. Now looking
at the point at which that lie appears, I would estimate that it is
about one twentieth of the way down (correct me if you think that is
inaccurate). In other words those five lies I dealt with above all
appeared in the first 5% of your post. Probability therefore suggests
that your entire post contained a further ninety five lies making one
hundred lies (or there about) in total.
I have neither the time nor the will to read and expose another ninety
five of your lies, so they will remain unread.
A Planet Visitor: the man who is STILL giggling at the holocaust.
A Planet Visitor
>PV, after posting my other reply to this post of yours, I later
>decided to depart from my usual policy of not reading any post of
>yours beyond the first few lines, then quickly scanning to see how far
>down the spam started. From what I could see, it is *possible* that
>this time you didn't post any spam at all (I could be wrong about
>that, as I didn't get to the end for reasons that I explain in a
>moment) and so my next thoughts were: "Has he started showing some
>respect for the holocaust victims by neither spamming nor playing his
>"games" this time?"
>
Simple question, JPB -- How many murders would need to have been
committed in Dachau... before you would call it a death-camp?
>But, alas, the latter part of my question was soon answered as I
>discovered that you are indeed still playing your "games" by using the
>holocaust to lie about what you claim people (including me this time)
>have said.
>
JPB still hasn't said anything..
>As I said above, I didn't get anywhere near to the end, but from the
>little I did read I found numerous examples of your trolling game in
>which you deliberately tell the biggest lies you can think of in the
>hope of then seeing the target(s) of those lies having to set the
>record straight.
>
JPB still hasn't said anything!
>So here are just some of those lies exposed. But, PV, don't grin to
>widely or giggle too smugly at having caused me to spend time exposing
>your lies, because, as I said, I have ignored the main part of your
>post and so whatever lies you told in that part have not even been
>seen.
>
JPB still hasn't said anything!!
>PV's giggle number 1:
>
>> What is insulting to those victims is your intention to erase their
>> existence in their murders. That is what both you and Ol' Racist Nev
>> have worked hard to do. That is the BOTTOM LINE of this whole
>> dialog... and you simply refuse to address that issue. You both argue
>> that the murders committed in Dachau must be ignored, since to both
>> of you.. it was 'only a concentration camp.'
>
JPB calls that a "giggle." Well... if he finds that trying to have him
understand that murders were committed in Dachau...is only a
"giggle," what does that say about JPB? Of course he also claimed
that an appeal for him to shed a tear for victims of murder, racism,
slavery, and the holocaust was only "spam."
>
>In those, your opening words, you lie about two people - Neville and
>myself.
No, JPB... I tell the TRUTH. I ALWAYS tell the truth. You are the
one unable to differentiate between the truth and a lie. Having lived a
lie here. Ol' Racist Nev clearly was denying that murders took place
in Dachau, in a variety of his posts... see below.for the proof within
his words... where he denies those murders, claiming "I must stress
that Dachau, Belson, and Buchanwald were _not_ used as
death-camps for Jews." And "Dachau wasn't a "death-camp".
How many murders would need to have been committed in Dachau...
before you would call it a death-camp?
>Your lie about Neville is that he has said that the murders in
>Dachau must be ignored. But Neville has never said that or anything
>like it. That is also a lie about me, but in my case it is even more
>outrageous because I have never said a single word about Dachau
Ummm. . the fact that you agreed and defended, and still agree
and defend his statements... make HIS statements YOURS to
defend. You simply cannot say you agree with his statements, and
then presume to wash your hands from the understanding that those
are now your views as well. You are not Pontius Pilate, able to
wash your hands, and walk smugly away.
>(except in previously pointing out your lies about Neville's words). I
>have never argued about this death camp/concentration camp distinction
>one way or the other. If you could prove otherwise with a URL you
>would have done so, but you didn't because you can't.
>
>PV's giggle number 2:
>
>> While you have directly called the holocaust a "game" to you.
>
>What a stupid lie that is.
Hardly... You keep referring to YOUR post... Where YOU call
the holocaust a "game." I never did. Your post --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
YOUR WORDS -- "What kind of sick, twisted mind could ever dream up
a "game" in which lies relating to the holocaust would be posted in a
newsgroup..." Since you will find that I have NEVER been so evil as
to use that disgusting word... it is YOURS. You have simply described
YOURSELF.. a sick, twisted mind... having dreamed up that most
unbelievably grotesque word, to apply to the holocaust. You placed it
in quotes and those quotes are YOURS. But perhaps you'll lie again...
and say you were only using a "pejorative." You evil shit.
> As anyone reading this and other threads
>will know, I have said repeatedly that the holocaust is a game to YOU
>not ME.
That hardly matters... since YOU were the FIRST and ONLY to
CHARACTERIZE a "game." I never have. I have only
remarked that YOU CALLED the holocaust a "game." You certainly
cannot provide any post from me prior to YOU calling the holocaust a
"game." I was HORRIFIED that you could even conceivably
REFER to it as a "game" regardless of your attempts to claim that
you were referring to me... since I had NEVER used such a disgusting,
immoral and absolutely INSULTING characterization of the
holocaust. Only the fact that I was already aware of your
depraved nature, kept me from retching, since I have developed
a rather strong stomach in reading most of your disgusting drivel.
Once again... you cannot use words such as that... and claim they
are my view... especially placing them in quotation marks... when
I have NEVER used that disgusting word to refer to the holocaust.
My God... you are unbelievable.
Your are the most evil human I could imagine to use the WORD
"game" in reference to the holocaust. And I have called you EVIL,
since you first posted that ugly, ugly, ugly WORD. It is more ugly
than any imaginable racial slur... and I will KEEP reminding you
that YOU USED IT. Not ME... It is YOURS... not mine.
> It certainly isn't a game to me,
Oh.. but it CERTAINLY IS. Without a doubt... since I would have
never used that word in ANY CONTEXT, in respect to the
holocaust. Only after YOU used it... did I fully recognize how
disgusting you are.. and what a true holocaust revisionist you
are. You see the MURDER of SIX MILLION HUMAN BEINGS
as simply a "game." That's what YOU called it.
> but the very fact that you
>told that lie proves that it is STILL a game to you. You really do go
>out of your way to help me prove what I have accused you of, don't
>you?
>
When you can show where I've ever called the holocaust such, you
can argue your lie. But until then... it remains nothing but a lie. Since
you were the one to use that most disgusting characterization imaginable...
to describe an event of such earth shattering consequences. Men,
women and children... running in the blue and icy snow of dawn,
barefoot and naked. Hundreds of them... miserable...starving....
mentally, physically and emotionally broken and beaten. Hair shaved...
now hollowed bodies... deprived of all dignity. No longer human... but
simply a number... tattooed on a withered arm. Herded into showers,
that are not showers. The pellets drop. The screams go on for what
seems an eternity, and finally stillness descends. Exhaust fans
now start to whir. Dead bodies removed. Anal cavities searched.
every shred of that tiny bit of what dignity they had, now stripped
away. Other Jews conscripted to carry the bodies to the crematoriums.
Fully realizing they may well be next. Smoke stacks belch out
the ashes of the final remnants of humans... And this was the short,
even less emotional description of the TRUE Holocaust. SIX
MILLION HUMANS. Tell me how ANY human can see a
"giggle" in that monstrous act. But YOU DID. And YOU also
called it a "game." You are the most evil poster I have ever
IMAGINED could possibly post to Usenet. I believe even
David Irving would be disgusted at your comment. He'd find you so
evil that he would turn you down for membership in his holocaust
revisionist group. I mean... even David Irving must have his LIMITS
SOMEWHERE. He would certainly realize that YOU HAVE
NONE.
>PV's giggle number 3:
>
>> Both you and Ol' Racist Nev, would just as soon they
>> BE forgotten... in your dual-roles as holocaust deniers and Neo-Nazis.
>
>Neither of us are either holocaust deniers or neo-Nazis. Who ever
>heard of a neo-Nazi who opposes the death penalty? You stupid man!
>
Don't give me more of your LIES. I just can't STAND IT. I will
ask again... and this time I would expect an answer -- "How many
murders would need to have been committed in Dachau... before
you would call it a death-camp?
>PV's giggle number 4:
>
>
>> You only shamed yourself, in trying to erase those murders committed
>> in Dachau.
>
There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever of that. If you believe
you should not be shamed, by defending an argument which
contends that no Jews were murdered in Dachau -- using the
EXCUSE that Dachau was 'only' a concentration camp... and
not a death camp, then you have no concept of what shame
actually is. That was the argument that Ol' Racist Nev offered,
and that you defend now. In your very words. You have gone
too far, JPB. You have insulted every soul taken in that horrible
event in our past. Every one of them. When you deny ONE...
you deny them all. And there was clear denial in the words of
Ol' Racist Nev... and you AGREE with his denial.
>Same answer as to the second part of your giggle number 1.
>
You have absolutely no idea how evil you look here...with your
PITIFUL references back and forth to NOTHING. Like a
cornered rat, look for SOMEWHERE to find a hole to scamper
into. You are simply NOTHING. I will AGAIN give you
SOMETHING. As I have done over and over. This time READ
IT -- Because it is Dachau --
As a basic understanding of the direction that Ol' Racist Nev had
always wanted to go... I will first provide his fundamental concept
of the Jew -- His words -- "
"One is not 'born Jewish' anymore than one is 'born Cathy' or 'born Athiest'!!"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305010549.2586f62f%40posting.google.com
So working from within that fundamental view of his in respect to
Jews -- we have these DENIALS of Ol' Racist Nev. And
given the fact that you're now an ADMITTED "holocaust revisionist,"
I can well understand that the only words you would find are not
"spam" are those of Ol' Racist Nev... who posted --
----------------------------------------------------------------
"Cos I say Dachau wasn't a death-camp?">
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0306020717.5606f088%40posting.google.com
And also --
"Dachau, Belson, Buchanwald were concentration camps, all of which held
'career-criminals', political-prisoners and the 'work-shy' to begin with, later on
also _POWs_ and (at the very end) evacuated Jews from the forced-labour
camps and death-camps in the east.
All three camps I mention were _concentration camps_. _'Gitmo' is a
concentration camp_. If Donna's article is to be believed it may soon
become a death-camp too."
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305271322.6bef6222%40posting.google.com
And more --
"I must stress that Dachau, Belson, and Buchanwald were _not_ used as
death-camps for Jews."Notice the EMPHASIS underline on "_not_,"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305290530.16495221%40posting.google.com
And more --
"Dachau wasn't a "death-camp".
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=f85d58f0.0306181313.5b5a3966%40posting.google.com
--------------------------------------------------
Now... These are the FACTS of Dachau
--------------------------------------------------
You think that Dachau was NOT a 'death camp'? See --
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t016/t01679.html
In there, you will find it states in respect to Dachau that "the number
of Jews rose steadily to about 1/3 of the total. Tens of thousands died
through starvation, disease, torture or in cruel medical experiments."
Not a 'death-camp'??
And for those 'medical experiments.' (What a ghastly word to use
for MURDER!) - see --
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/text/x15/xm1597.html
Quoting again -- "In the period from 1942 to 1945, medical experiments
were conducted in concentration camps, rather than in hospitals and
research institutions. They were carried out on human beings regarded
as racially inferior, in locations that were the most concrete expression
of Nazi ideology." That's what the Nazis considered the Jews... and
that's Dachau. Or are you calling Simon Wiesenthal a liar?
Not a 'death-camp'?? You evil swine. You calling the holocaust
a "game." You evil swine!
And then if you have any question that Jews were not among those
MURDERED at Dachau -- See
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/text/x05/xm0553.html
"As early as 1933, the Jewish share in the prisoners' mortality rate at
Dachau was disproportionately large. In the second period, conditions
in the camps for Jewish prisoners deteriorated drastically. Following
the mass influx of Jews in November 1938, the overall mortality in
all the concentration camps multiplied rapidly, and most of the
victims were Jews."
And see --
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dachau/
providing links to evidence to murder in experiments and gas
chambers in Dachau.
And see --
http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
The Dachau Gas Chamber. You will find that those gas chambers
were used. I get weary of beating you over the head with these
links and proofs, while your holocaust denial holds fast. In this
link Pastor Niemöller, himself a prisoner in Dachau once estimated
the total deaths in Dachau at 238,756. No murders? You
evil swine.
So --- I'll ask YET again -- How many murders would need to have been
committed in Dachau... before you would call it a death-camp?
Since your Neo-Nazi buddy said that Dachau was not a death camp...
and never would be. Since it was 'only' a concentration camp. And
you agree with him. How many murders would it take?
All that raving... simply to agree that you find me "inept" in speaking
of the holocaust to a "holocaust revisionist.": Yet.. yet... HERE WE
ARE... I'm speaking to one... and you've called me "inept." Of
course.... you've also CALLED the holocaust a "game," and
CALLED my attempts to demonstrate that there were murders
committed in Dachau which prove Ol' Racist Nev is a holocaust denier
simply "giggles." You're an evil shit, and I cannot believe that even
you do not see yourself for what you are now. There passes a point
where one becomes SO EVIL... as you have become... that you
recognize your own evil... and find COMFORT in being evil. You
ENJOY it. KNOWING you are. Feel SUPERIOR in being so.
Now follow along --
Ol' Racist Nev even managed to characterize HIMSELF as a holocaust
denier, in this post, where he defines what HE believes a holocaust denier
is ... see --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305300601.31e990fc%40posting.google.com
Stating that a holocaust denier in HIS view is "That'll be the Holocaust deniers
who go out of their way to make a distinction between concentration-camps
(such as Dachau and Belson) and death-camps such (as Treblinka, Sorbibor,
etc.)."
But look above, at the references to his words... and you will find that is
EXACTLY what he attempts to do... over and over.
And Simon Wiesenthal described his posts as exactly those of a Neo-Nazi.
In these words -- "Because there were no extermination camps on German
soil the Neo-Nazis are using this as proof that these crimes did not happen [...]"
That is EXACTLY what Ol' Racist Nev was doing. Making ABSOLUTELY
sure that everyone KNEW there were no 'extermination camps' on
German soil. See -
http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar03.html
>A Planet Visitor: the man who is STILL giggling at the holocaust.
Hardly... you evil, evil man.
PV
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<tbasmvk1jd4q6ur5g...@4ax.com>...
>
>< PV's latest insult to the victims of the Nazi holocaust clipped and
>mostly unread >
>
Simple question, JPB -- How many murders would need to have been
committed in Dachau... before you would call it a death-camp?
>Just in case anyone is still in any doubt about the reality of PV's
>giggling about this subject, just consider the following direct quotes
>from another post of his in the "PV and the holocaust" thread. And
>bear in mind that these words are from an attempt by him to DENY that
>he is giggling. Here they are:
>
>1. "Given your 'expertise' with gogggle (sic), you should be able to
>locate the post you claimed in short order. Just a link... like above,
>will be sufficient. Or perhaps the cat ate it?"
Unbelievable... JPB accuses ME of "spam" in repeating posts... and
here he is repeating everything he posted in another thread "PV and
the holocaust." So I will provide the same answer --
Given that my comment had nothing to do with the holocaust, but rather
with your lies in respect to your claim that "Prior to that, there were no
such rants from PV about racism - " it's rather obvious how desperate
you are... Where IS your EVIDENCE of the Nameless One having
called me a racist prior to Aug 14, 2000, JPB? As I said -- perhaps
the cat... the abolitionist cat that the Nameless One likes to picture is
torturing and killing the retentionist/sparrow -- ate it. But it's just
another question that you will never answer.
>2. "Don't fret, bullet head..."
>
Again... referring to your bullet head. And on the same subject -- Your
LIES in respect to your claim of no "rants" from me calling the Nameless
One a racist. Nothing to do with the holocaust. Although I don't
even consider my words above, any sort of a joke or laughing... just
recognition of your mental failures. I would not be above calling you
what you are, even in those dialogs regarding the holocaust. Since in
those dialogs you are among the most ignorant swine I have ever
encountered in Usenet. A disgusting, wicked, offensive, loathsome,
perverse, vile, evil, shameful, filthy, wretched, brutish, depraved, immoral,
brutal, repulsive, vicious goblin --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/Goblin1.htm
I would call ANY holocaust denier all of those names. An intentional
INSULT... well deserved... without the slightest hint of humor in calling
them those names... Not one tiny hint of humor. Further, there might
even be moments I would laugh at YOU... but NEVER the holocaust.
There are moments that a holocaust denier looks SO pathetic...
SO ignorant... that we cannot hold back a contemptuous laugh.. a
rueful admission that our species is not as moral as we would hope
it might be.. given the counter-example before us. Certainly, I have
felt that contemptuous laugh when reading some of your comments
in almost every subject you've spoken of.
>3. "That's psychology 101 stuff, sport. BTW -- picked up that book by
>Plato yet?"
>
Again... nothing to do with the holocaust, but rather referring to your almost
unbelievable ignorance of 'developed behavior patterns.' in humans.
>4. "When I say anything about human behavior it is axiomatic that I am
>speaking in my professional capacity as an 'aberrant behavior
>psychiatrist.' (I have a case file 12 inches thick on YOU!!)."
>
Again... not the holocaust.
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=fb6smvko1eldteta86bsul4elsruki8799%404ax.com
>
>That is how seriously PV takes the holocaust.
>
Since not a single comment you have provided had anything to do
with the holocaust... it would seem you've been proven to be a liar
again. But, gee... that's become trivial to prove. I sure hope that
everyone looks at my post that you have linked to... simply to
show how easily you lie. I've known it for ages... Beginning with
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/JPB.html
>Other URLs worth checking out:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
>
>The true story of how PV has been giggling about the holocaust and
>using it as material to play a "game" with.
>
If I'm giggling... why is that YOUR post? And why is that post, not only
yours... but the first post that makes reference to your claiming the
holocaust is a "game"? These are your words -- "What kind of sick,
twisted mind could ever dream up a "game" in which lies relating to
the holocaust would be posted in a newsgroup..." You are asking that
question of yourself... and characterizing the holocaust as a "game."
The lies are most positively claiming that NO murder of Jews occurred in
Dachau. The TRUTH, which I have tried over and over to drum into
your anti-Semitic head, is that murders of Jews DID occur in Dachau,
and they cannot be ERASED by stating that Dachau was 'simply' a
concentration camp... and not a death-camp. And you would try
to DISCREDIT my words... in your typical holocaust denier fashion.
Actually, what YOUR post shows is that you are DEFENDING the
argument that there were no murders in Dachau... since it was 'defined'
as 'only' a concentration camp by Ol' Racist Nev. Thus, it is obviously,
simply a part of your role as accepting your NEW MESSIAH. See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/Goblin1.htm
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
>
>The evidence that PV cannot remove from the archives, even though he
>would dearly love to.
>
Why would I possibly want to remove a post that shows you are
a disgusting, wicked, offensive, loathsome, perverse, vile, evil,
shameful, filthy, wretched, brutish, depraved, immoral,
brutal, repulsive, vicious goblin? --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/Goblin1.htm
Your own post... is the most destructive evidence that exists proving
YOU are a holocaust denier. But, again thank you for that reference
to your own post. Just another post from YOU in which you 'fall
on your sword.' as it again proves that you claimed the holocaust
was simply a "game," and stated that because I expressed revulsion
over the murders committed in Dachau it was simply "giggling" over
those murders. Your words represent an unbelievably obscene
lack of respect for those murdered in Dachau. Depriving them of
the last vestige of dignity they might hold in their role as victims of
the most monstrous, methodical annihilation of human beings ever
witnessed. The Nazis took away the lives of those murdered in
Dachau, but as with Ol' Racist Nev... you would rip out their
souls, and their spirit with such an insult. There is simply no
excuse for your nauseating attempts to excuse those murders,
in trying to discredit my words that recognize their murders.
>A Planet Visitor: the man who giggled about the holocaust, then, when
>exposed for doing so, giggled even more, as the four direct quotes
>above clearly show.
Given that the four direct quotes above, do not relate to the holocaust
in any way... They remain.... simply more of your lies. But thanks for
showing you're a liar again.
PV
Just passing by
> >
> Simple question, JPB -- How many murders would need to have been
> committed in Dachau... before you would call it a death-camp?
Simple answer, PV: I have never questioned that Dachau was a death
camp, in fact I have never even debated that matter with anyone.
Therefore your above question, and the numerous accusations about
"holocaust denial" against me in other posts can be seen for what they
are - nothing more than "games" you are still playing using the
holocaust as material for them. And, as I said before, that makes you
much worse than those who say the holocaust never occurred.
Everything else clipped and unread.
The true story of how PV giggles at the holocaust and plays games with
the memories of every holocaust victim is here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
And all the evidence showing where and how he has played these games
is here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
A Planet Visitor: the man who no longer even tries to hide his
giggling at the holocaust.
Just passing by
< clipped >
This was one reply I was determined to read carefully, unlike most of
your others which I don't read at all. And the main reason was that I
particularly wanted to see how you responded to what I had called
"PV's giggle number 5" in my previous post.
And here is the entire text, including your "response". This is a
classic exchange that is going to come back to haunt you, PV.
< followed by various false accusations against another poster that
didn't even mention me or my having "admitted" being a holocaust
revisionist >
So where are your words taking up that challenge I issued you with?
Where are your words explaining how my simply referring to "holocaust
revisionists" justified your words of: 'You're an admitted "holocaust
revisionist," JPB.' Where are the Google URLs in which I have ever
"admitted" any such thing? Where is there any denial that the example
I gave above was indeed the only one you based your lie on?
And that lie about me being an admitted holocaust revisionist has
appeared in numerous other posts of yours over the past few days. They
too are now going to haunt you because they will be collected and
presented as evidence of the depths you will sink to in your
determination to play games with the memories of the holocaust's
victims.
The true story of PV laughing at the holocaust and its victims is
here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
And all the detailed evidence is here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<3fhvmvss5gesh84pm...@4ax.com>...
>> >
>> Simple question, JPB -- How many murders would need to have been
>> committed in Dachau... before you would call it a death-camp?
>
>
>Simple answer, PV: I have never questioned that Dachau was a death
>camp, in fact I have never even debated that matter with anyone.
>
Not a very responsive answer, JPB. It that a clear statement that you
WOULD call Dachau a death-camp? Because what you DID do was
call MY comments a lie... my comments that argue that the murders
committed in Dachau DO make Dachau a death camp. You called
me a liar for making such comments. You agreed with Ol' Racist Nev,
rather than me. You agreed with Ol' Racist Nev's claims that Dachau
WAS NOT a death camp. These are the words of Ol' Racist Nev
that you DEFENDED, JPB. Calling me a liar... while calling his
words the truth. These words of his --
--------------------------------------------------------------
"Cos I say Dachau wasn't a death-camp?">
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0306020717.5606f088%40posting.google.com
And also --
"I must stress that Dachau, Belson, and Buchanwald were _not_ used as
death-camps for Jews."
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305290530.16495221%40posting.google.com
And also --
"Dachau wasn't a "death-camp".
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=f85d58f0.0306181313.5b5a3966%40posting.google.com
And also --
"Dachau, Belson, Buchanwald were concentration camps, all of which held
'career-criminals', political-prisoners and the 'work-shy' to begin with, later on
also _POWs_ and (at the very end) evacuated Jews from the forced-labour
camps and death-camps in the east.
All three camps I mention were _concentration camps_. _'Gitmo' is a
concentration camp_. If Donna's article is to be believed it may soon
become a death-camp too."
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305271322.6bef6222%40posting.google.com
-----------------------------------------------------
So what's it to be, JPB? You need to come clean. Either you agree
with Ol' Racist Nev that Dachau was NOT a death camp... as you've
been screaming you agree with, in front of the group.. Or you need to
call HIM a liar. Not me. Because I'm the one who has called HIM a
liar for characterizing Dachau as NOT a death camp. And I see you
trying to play both sides of the fence here. Trying to argue that you
aren't a holocaust denier, but demonstrating the behavior of a holocaust
denier, by defending a holocaust denier. Just as you did when you
argued that you weren't a racist, while demonstrating the behavior
of a racist, by trying to destroy MLK. Just as you now would destroy
again those murdered victims of Dachau if you agree with Ol' Racist
Nev.
So what's it to be, sport?
>Therefore your above question, and the numerous accusations about
>"holocaust denial" against me in other posts can be seen for what they
>are - nothing more than "games" you are still playing using the
>holocaust as material for them. And, as I said before, that makes you
>much worse than those who say the holocaust never occurred.
>
You were the one DEFENDING Ol' Racist Nev, JPB. Are you
now claiming that HE is a 'holocaust denier' and you DEFEND him
being so... but YOU are not a 'holocaust denier' by DEFENDING
him? Your words sound predictably two-faced, the familiar 'anti-PV'
rubbish you are so well-known for. Such as when you claimed I
was a racist... but stated that you hadn't said I was a racist.
>Everything else clipped and unread.
>
This is the moment I have spoken of. The moment it becomes
necessary to laugh at YOU... but NEVER the holocaust. Because
you are so obviously pathetic and ignorant, that it becomes
impossible to hold back a contemptuous laugh... a rueful admission
that our species is not as moral or as intelligent as we would hope
it might be. I can only thank God that you are as the typical
racist and holocaust denier... too stupid to recognize your own
stupidity. God is apparently both cruel and kind... He creates
humans such as you... but usually makes sure they are stupid
enough that others will only provide a contemptuous laugh at
their comments.
>
>The true story of how PV giggles at the holocaust and plays games with
>the memories of every holocaust victim is here:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
>
Posting PROOF in YOUR OWN WORDS of YOU calling the holocaust
a "game," and YOU saying that someone who speaks of the murdered in
Dachau is only "giggling," is hardly helping your imaginary "credibility" JPB.
Because YOU are the one why did just that... not me. Why would you
keep trying prove that you were the one who did so, rather than me???
Strange behavior... desperate behavior.... obsessive behavior....
>And all the evidence showing where and how he has played these games
>is here:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
>
You must have a self-destructive streak in you... since AGAIN you simply
point to YOUR WORDS... and YOUR statement that the holocaust is
seen by YOU as just a "game," and YOUR creation of the "giggle"?
Do you really believe that people are too stupid to not actually LOOK
at your comments and RECOGNIZE that is exactly what you have done?
As usual, you fail to give others the credit they deserve... instead believing
them to all be as stupid as you are.
>A Planet Visitor: the man who no longer even tries to hide his
>giggling at the holocaust.
How pathetic... JPB. How many murders would need to have been
committed in Dachau... before you would call it a death-camp? And
do you find that Dachau was a death camp? If so, I expect you to
call Ol' Racist Nev a liar... and not me... because I contend that the
number of murders committed in Dachau quite certainly make it a
death camp.
PV
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<3fhvmvss5gesh84pm...@4ax.com>...
>
>
>< clipped >
>
>
>This was one reply I was determined to read carefully, unlike most of
>your others which I don't read at all. And the main reason was that I
>particularly wanted to see how you responded to what I had called
>"PV's giggle number 5" in my previous post.
>
Those "giggles" are all yours, JPB...
Whatever are you raving about, yet again? You have claimed that
I would be "inept" in arguing with a holocaust revisionist. You
are a holocaust revisionist. I admit that I am "inept." But you
are still a holocaust revisionist. How much clearer can that be?
>So where are your words taking up that challenge I issued you with?
The challenge that I'm "inept" and you're an admitted holocaust
revisionist. Hell, JPB.. I admit I'm "inept" now that you've admitted
you're a holocaust revisionist. That should make you happy... not
angry. It's taken us some time to get to this point.. since you've
been in denial. While I always presumed I would be "inept" faced
with such evil. I am only human... and faced with the Satanic powers
you possess... I can only do what a human can do. While you have
the power of evil behind you. But now we can move on and explore
WHY you are a holocaust denier in more depth. Getting past you
admitting it... has almost been humanly impossible.
>Where are your words explaining how my simply referring to "holocaust
>revisionists" justified your words of: 'You're an admitted "holocaust
>revisionist," JPB.'
Because you've claimed I'm "inept." Don't get so angry, JPB. It's
best that you calm down. Now that you've admitted what you are...
we can move on to the question of WHY. WHY are you a holocaust
revisionist?
Why do you hate the Jews, JPB? What drives this rage inside of you that
you would call it a "giggle" when someone expresses revulsion in respect
to the murders committed in the holocaust? Why would you call the murder
of MILLIONS of Jews, simply a "game" to you? These are questions that
go directly to the heart of your sanity. And I'd really like to know WHY?
Why do you hate the Jews? If you could express it concisely, I might be
able to get a better grasp on the anti-Semitism in Europe. But presently
I am at a loss, without understanding WHY you hate the Jews? Have they
HARMED you in the past? Does their appearance trouble you? Do you
fear them? Did you parents teach you how to hate? It would also help me
understand why Ol' Racist Nev hates the Jews so much.
Listen carefully, JPB... since I will provide a profound truth to you -- One
can only be "giggling" when they try to ERASE the scope of a monstrous
event, such as when Ol' Racist Nev tried to DIMINISH the scope of the
holocaust by implying that Dachau was 'not as bad as Guantanamo.'
When I stated that he had found Dachau to be 'good,' that was not a
"giggle" but a recognition that he was intent on INSULTING every
victim murdered in Dachau. And the same is in evidence with the Nameless
One as he tries to DIMINISH the scope of 9//11, by adding his 'signature
giggle' in an expression of the U.S. getting its comeuppance, as far as he is
concerned. While totally unconcerned that his methods might be seen as
an insult to those murdered victims. You see both Ol' Racist Nev and
the Nameless One are INSULTING the murdered victims. I
have never expressed any such thought. I have NEVER expressed
ANYTHING but absolute revulsion in respect to the holocaust
(and 9/11). Ol' Racist Nev tried to DIMINISH the scope of the holocaust
by implying in so many instances that Dachau was no worse than
Guantanamo. Don't you think that is an attempt to show that no
murders were committed in Dachau? If you cannot see that HE was
insulting those murdered in Dachau... I feel for you. And if you contend
that I feel anything other than an expression of my rage that Ol' Racist
Nev would try to DIMINISH the holocaust in such a manner, then you
are the one who is "giggling." And it's an ugly sight.
> Where are the Google URLs in which I have ever
>"admitted" any such thing? Where is there any denial that the example
>I gave above was indeed the only one you based your lie on?
>
I've grown tired of proving things to you over and over... since you
only call them "spam," when I do, and provide a <clipped
unread> to each of them. Everyone can see you're a holocaust
revisionists now... you having admitted it... so I have no
need to provide google links that you never read anyway. My work
is done. I will provide this, however -- when can I expect you to
shed a tear for even one victim among our species? -- See
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/The_victims.htm
>And that lie about me being an admitted holocaust revisionist has
>appeared in numerous other posts of yours over the past few days.
You've had a lot of experience with lies, JPB. Since each of your posts
average at least three lies. The FACT that you are an admitted
holocaust revisionist is written in the stars and in the eternal pages
of Usenet. Writ by your own hand. Don't get angry... You should
be proud. You were proud of being a baby-killer murderer lover.
You were proud to be a Saddam lover. You were proud to be
a racist. You were proud to be a bigot. Proud to be a holocaust
revisionist should just form the last requirement that takes you into
the dreaded 'three-layer-cursed' pentagram of Satan. You
can now offer your eternal soul in exchange for saving every murderer
on this planet, the success of all racist movements, the transformation
of the holocaust to only a "game" as you have already called it, and
the damnation of every soul who has ever wept for any victim.
Satan would be proud of you.
> They
>too are now going to haunt you because they will be collected and
>presented as evidence of the depths you will sink to in your
>determination to play games with the memories of the holocaust's
>victims.
>
I'm afraid that it will you who is haunted, JPB. Haunted by the
specters of those victims of murder in Dachau, that Ol' Racist
Nev implied never happened... and that you agreed never happened
by calling me a liar for arguing that they did happen.
How many murders would need to have been committed in Dachau...
before you would call it a death-camp?
>The true story of PV laughing at the holocaust and its victims is
>here:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
>
Actually that's one of a great number of YOUR posts that prove you
are a holocaust denier. In your own words. Since you state that the
holocaust is just a "game."
>And all the detailed evidence is here:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
Actually, that's ANOTHER of a great number of YOUR posts that
prove you are a holocaust denier. In your own words. Since you
AGAIN state that the holocaust is just a "game."
You see, JPB... I no longer need to provide goggle references to your
admitting you are a holocaust denier. Since you do it for me. Why did
I ever waste my time provided so many of your other words that show
you are a holocaust denier... when you will do my work for me?
PV
Just passing by
> On 23 Sep 2003 02:47:56 -0700, unimpre...@yahoo.com (Just passing by) wrote:
>
> >A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<3fhvmvss5gesh84pm...@4ax.com>...
> >> >
> >> Simple question, JPB -- How many murders would need to have been
> >> committed in Dachau... before you would call it a death-camp?
> >
> >
> >Simple answer, PV: I have never questioned that Dachau was a death
> >camp, in fact I have never even debated that matter with anyone.
> >
> Not a very responsive answer, JPB. It that a clear statement that you
> WOULD call Dachau a death-camp? Because what you DID do was
> call MY comments a lie... my comments that argue that the murders
> committed in Dachau DO make Dachau a death camp.
Still playing your "games" I see. What I called your lie was your
claim that Neville had said that the death camps were "okay" and not,
as you say above, your claim that Dachau was a death camp.
That is just another example - as if any were now needed - proving
that you are laughing about the holocaust, giggling about the
holocaust's victims, and playing "games" with the subject of the
death camps.
I call upon anyone who still doubts that PV is indeed playing these
games, to read his words above and then check back through the threads
to find my comments regarding his lie about Neville. You will see
clearly that I have referred ONLY to PV's claim that Neville called
the death camps "okay". You will see that I have NOT called PV's view
of Dachau being a death camp a lie. And yet, as you can see above,
that is what he has now tried to manipulate and change my words to.
And I further challenge anyone who would defend PV against my
accusation that he is playing games with the holocaust, to do so by
giving any other description of what he tried to do above, and also to
provide their rationale for that alternative description.
If nobody does provide any other explanation for this lie of PV's, I
will take that, for now, as meaning that nobody can do so, nor even
wishes to try. And if, at some time in the future, I am told by
someone other than PV that I am wrong to accuse him of playing games
with the holocaust, I will refer back to this post and invite that
person to explain the lie PV told as seen at the top of it.
John Rennie
What you continually fail to recognise, JPB, is that we here have all
suffered from PV's tactics and are used to them. He is not so much
a liar as a dissembler. He cloaks, disguises, conceals (OED) and in
doing so frequently trips over his own feet - this he never recognises.
However posts like the above merely stimulates him to produce
more and more of the same. The result of this and of similar posts
from Euro and Peter is disastrous for the news group. This
morning I turned to a.a.d-p. 0900 European time to find just
10 new posts - all of them from PV. Not one of them initiating
a new topic 'off' or otherwise - nine of them pursuing long drawn
out arguments with you and although different threads were
involved they actually reiterated the same weary arguments. It may
be that all this is deliberate; a tactic to keep from arguing about
subjects more immediate and more painful to any American i.e.
their mess in Iraq. If so let the above answer, with which I
totally agree, be the end of the matter as far as you are concerned.
Let PV come back with his usual URLs proving that black is
white and then ignore him.
John Rennie
Hmm. . . I can tell no one is bothering with this particular thread
otherwise I would have been clobbered for using i.e. instead of e.g.
Just passing by
> What you continually fail to recognise, JPB, is that we here have all
> suffered from PV's tactics and are used to them. He is not so much
> a liar as a dissembler. He cloaks, disguises, conceals (OED) and in
> doing so frequently trips over his own feet - this he never recognises.
> However posts like the above merely stimulates him to produce
> more and more of the same. The result of this and of similar posts
> from Euro and Peter is disastrous for the news group. This
> morning I turned to a.a.d-p. 0900 European time to find just
> 10 new posts - all of them from PV. Not one of them initiating
> a new topic 'off' or otherwise - nine of them pursuing long drawn
> out arguments with you and although different threads were
> involved they actually reiterated the same weary arguments. It may
> be that all this is deliberate; a tactic to keep from arguing about
> subjects more immediate and more painful to any American i.e.
> their mess in Iraq. If so let the above answer, with which I
> totally agree, be the end of the matter as far as you are concerned.
> Let PV come back with his usual URLs proving that black is
> white and then ignore him.
Thank you, John. PV will be getting a break from me for a while as I
am off on another trip very shortly and so probably won't be posting
much if at all during that time. But, as Arnie would say ............
A Planet Visitor
See my other post to you. You have stated that Ol' Racist Nev's
comments in respect to the holocaust were "insensitive."
Given that admission... so long as you now defend JPB, who
called me a liar for attacking those comments that you admit were
'insensitive,' and who stated that my attacks on those who even
YOU admit were insensitive, were a "game" to him, your efforts
to 'defend' a kinsman, must of logical necessity to seen as biased
in the view of any external viewer. You will find that JPB was
the very first who both characterized the holocaust as a "game,"
and who saw a "game" in respect to the holocaust... IN HIS OWN
WORDS.. see --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
You will find not a single comment from me that even remotely
would imply that the holocaust could possibly be seen by any
rational human as a "game." JPB INVENTED that idea in his
comments... since you will not see it in mine. It is another of
those methods JPB uses, such as in the 'Great White Whale,'
where he hysterically claimed that everyone in the prosecution
of her was a crook. And again in his hysterical racist ravings,
where he attacked MLK, through me, insisting that I was a
racist for having posted that original comment in the MLK Day
thread.
That you cannot see this.. perhaps has to do with the comment
I made in my post to you, regarding 'defense of ourselves' when
finding a kinsman under attack.
PV
John Rennie
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
No, no - that isn't what I stated (Can't you even TRY to get it
right?) I said his effort to equate Guantanamo with Dachau
was insensitive,
As the admission was not 'given' all above is pointless as bloody
usual. BTW AFAIK Nev or JPB are not blood relations or
if they are then you too might be related to me. Worse things
have happened. (Although for the life of me I can't think what :-))
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> Hmm. . . I can tell no one is bothering with this particular thread
> otherwise I would have been clobbered for using i.e. instead of e.g.
What do you expect, John? It's a thread that involves an on-going flamefest
between JPB and PV. Just like a number of other personal, boring waffle-ons.
A Planet Visitor
AADP suffers the most when you are here, JPB... Not when you are
gone, which temporarily lifts the black pale of racism, anti-Semitism,
and holocaust denial you cast upon this group. Of course, your
absence means my "personal ends" are much easier to achieve. No
longer having to constantly expose you.
PV
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<5mv1nvgdi6fsvk2s4...@4ax.com>...
>> On 23 Sep 2003 02:47:56 -0700, unimpre...@yahoo.com (Just passing by) wrote:
>>
>> >A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<3fhvmvss5gesh84pm...@4ax.com>...
>> >> >
>> >> Simple question, JPB -- How many murders would need to have been
>> >> committed in Dachau... before you would call it a death-camp?
>> >
>> >
>> >Simple answer, PV: I have never questioned that Dachau was a death
>> >camp, in fact I have never even debated that matter with anyone.
>> >
>> Not a very responsive answer, JPB. It that a clear statement that you
>> WOULD call Dachau a death-camp? Because what you DID do was
>> call MY comments a lie... my comments that argue that the murders
>> committed in Dachau DO make Dachau a death camp.
>
>Still playing your "games" I see. What I called your lie was your
>claim that Neville had said that the death camps were "okay" and not,
>as you say above, your claim that Dachau was a death camp.
>
His conclusion was that no human is a 'born Jew.' His words -
"One is not 'born Jewish' anymore than one is 'born Cathy' or 'born Athiest'!!
Given that those murdered in the death camps were seen as 'born
Jews' to the Nazis, he denies that they actually have an EXISTENCE.
Since he contends they simply CANNOT BE "born Jewish." Given
that they have NO REAL EXISTENCE to him... it is obvious that
he has no objection to exterminating those that do not exist. Either
they exist as 'born Jews' or they do not. That was the heart of THAT
argument. However, it went further than that... and you supported him...
since you raised no objection, nor do you now...when he asserted,
over and over, that Dachau was NOT a death camp. His words --
"Cos I say Dachau wasn't a death-camp?">
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0306020717.5606f088%40posting.google.com
And also --
"I must stress that Dachau, Belson, and Buchanwald were _not_ used as
death-camps for Jews."
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305290530.16495221%40posting.google.com
And also --
"Dachau wasn't a "death-camp".
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=f85d58f0.0306181313.5b5a3966%40posting.google.com
When someone implies that Jews were not murdered in Dachau,
and argues that it was not a death camp for Jews, given the
times when Jews were being exterminated by the millions... it is
most certainly a conclusion that Dachau was an OKAY place for
a Jew to be...given the alternatives of the 'human extermination
machines' elsewhere. That was most certainly the argument
of Ol' Racist Nev, as shown by TRUE QUOTES, above. And
you agreed with HIM... that Dachau was not a death camp for
Jews. You sick, sick man.
>That is just another example -
Yes, it is.. another example of your lies.
> as if any were now needed - proving
>that you are laughing about the holocaust, giggling about the
>holocaust's victims, and playing "games" with the subject of the
>death camps.
>
None of the above..those are all how YOU feel about the
holocaust... as expressed in YOUR words... not mine. YOURS -- see
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309180626.14ac946f%40posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.0309190831.105ba1e9%40posting.google.com
Why should I be held responsible about how YOU feel about the holocaust?
Since you are the one who characterized it as what YOU see in it, not
me. Notice that YOU put that evil word in QUOTES.
>I call upon anyone who still doubts that PV is indeed playing these
>games, to read his words above and then check back through the threads
>to find my comments regarding his lie about Neville. You will see
>clearly that I have referred ONLY to PV's claim that Neville called
>the death camps "okay". You will see that I have NOT called PV's view
>of Dachau being a death camp a lie. And yet, as you can see above,
>that is what he has now tried to manipulate and change my words to.
>
Given the fact that you have called the holocaust a "ga**" there is
the clear proof that YOU feel the death camps were just as Ol' Racist
Nev felt they were. Use your imagination, which was quite willing to
imagine that the holocaust was a "ga**" to you.
>And I further challenge anyone who would defend PV against my
>accusation that he is playing games with the holocaust, to do so by
>giving any other description of what he tried to do above, and also to
>provide their rationale for that alternative description.
>
I am not the one playing "ga***," JPB. That has been your entire
methodology throughout your entire presence in AADP... Playing them
with your ignorant argument with the 'Great White Whale,' which you
again try to infect other groups with, to your racism being exposed,
to your calling the holocaust a "ga**," to your defense of a clear
anti-Semitic comment, to your denial of the holocaust in total.
>If nobody does provide any other explanation for this lie of PV's, I
>will take that, for now,
BEGGING for the 'apathy' vote again, JPB? How pathetic. And
how typical of a racist and a holocaust denier. You people
EXIST because of the apathy vote.
> as meaning that nobody can do so, nor even
>wishes to try. And if, at some time in the future, I am told by
>someone other than PV that I am wrong to accuse him of playing games
>with the holocaust, I will refer back to this post and invite that
>person to explain the lie PV told as seen at the top of it.
You might try explaining how YOU see the holocaust as a "ga**." See the
references above to your words that demonstrate you do.
PV
A Planet Visitor
Not while the Nameless One is on hiatus. Of course, I responded...
while JPB 'intellectually' probably did a <snipped unread> to it.
It seems that AADP is going through a slow-spell at present. I
hope I haven't chased all the European abolitionists away? Peter...
euro...the Nameless One. And of course... the poster who I
would not compliment by calling an abolitionist... the one who
threatened me with murder, should I visit his backwoods, inbred
country village, Ol' Racist Nev.
PV
A Planet Visitor
>In article <vrkcb.537$Rh...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>, John Rennie wrote:
>
>> Hmm. . . I can tell no one is bothering with this particular thread
>> otherwise I would have been clobbered for using i.e. instead of e.g.
>
>What do you expect, John? It's a thread that involves an on-going flamefest
>between JPB and PV. Just like a number of other personal, boring waffle-ons.
So nice to see you back, Mr. D. SLURP... SLURP... SLURP... Now
say a few nice words about me. Because John has been 'picking on
me' in his support for his 'kinsmen.' -)
PV
A Planet Visitor
Yes, yes... that is what you stated. (Can't you even TRY to
understand the scope of the holocaust?) Anytime there is a mention
of Dachau... it is a maxim that it is connected to the holocaust.
Dachau IS part of the holocaust. And equating Guantanamo
with Dachau IS equating Guantanamo with part of the holocaust.
So you would say that when someone characterizes the holocaust
as a "ga**" there is NO implication of holocaust denial behind
such a characterization? I don't think you really mean that...
thus, I'll attribute it to the 'kinsman connection.'
> BTW AFAIK Nev or JPB are not blood relations or
>if they are then you too might be related to me. Worse things
>have happened. (Although for the life of me I can't think what :-))
Glad you're keeping a smile. I seriously find nothing to smile
about in this particular dialog. I am of two minds here..
I wish the dialog would end..
because it is so painful to relive.
But....
I wish it to be remembered..
because it is so painful to relive.
PV
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:27:01 GMT, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <sa...@dodo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>In article <vrkcb.537$Rh...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>, John Rennie wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm. . . I can tell no one is bothering with this particular thread
>>> otherwise I would have been clobbered for using i.e. instead of e.g.
>>
>>What do you expect, John? It's a thread that involves an on-going flamefest
>>between JPB and PV. Just like a number of other personal, boring waffle-ons.
>
> So nice to see you back, Mr. D. SLURP... SLURP... SLURP... Now
> say a few nice words about me. Because John has been 'picking on
> me' in his support for his 'kinsmen.' -)
I'll say lots of nice words about both you and JPB quite happily. I find your
on-going war rather less endearing than either of you, though... ;)
A Planet Visitor
>In article <ekq7nvgpk4a89dhcv...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:27:01 GMT, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <sa...@dodo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <vrkcb.537$Rh...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>, John Rennie wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmm. . . I can tell no one is bothering with this particular thread
>>>> otherwise I would have been clobbered for using i.e. instead of e.g.
>>>
>>>What do you expect, John? It's a thread that involves an on-going flamefest
>>>between JPB and PV. Just like a number of other personal, boring waffle-ons.
>>
>> So nice to see you back, Mr. D. SLURP... SLURP... SLURP... Now
>> say a few nice words about me. Because John has been 'picking on
>> me' in his support for his 'kinsmen.' -)
>
>I'll say lots of nice words about both you and JPB quite happily. I find your
>on-going war rather less endearing than either of you, though... ;)
>
No...no... no... It's ALL ABOUT ME, Mr. D. Dignity is not a negotiable
commodity. I have it... JPB doesn't know what it is.
PV