Death Comes to Love
jrh
Two lovers met, embraced and past
a casual affair not meant to last.
When the time for choice came no choice was made
could think no further than getting laid.
The seeds of life though sowed in jest
start to grow as if meant to last.
Snuggled within her womb
forms of consciousness take the shape
of the life she will forsake.
"Who can I find to cut the cord and set me free
by killing the being who lives in me."
The heart is beating, now it's not
as the new life is forced to stop.
For thoughtless sex a minor cost we have to pay
but of the unborn who of you can say.
Sperm feels great coming down the duct
how does the knife feel as he cuts the fetus up.
This I do not know and can not say
but to how the unborn feels
as it's life slips away
it's the same as any human
on their final day
jrh
W.T.S.
news:Xns9CCCEAD22...@69.16.185.247...
> P1 Death Comes to Love
felt as much pain and torment as possible before it died. Any baby that has
the audacity to be conceived deserves to be held in the flame of a bunsun
burner until it's nothing but ash, sent to Hell! Abortion is such a
wonderful thing! Babies are nothing but stinking turds.
jrh
news:7cSdnRqjFcXGH5bW...@earthlink.com:
It's love that's died, not the child. It's soul will be reincarnated and
the soul of the killer connected to the deed in an endless loop of pain
and suffering until the evil is purged.
jrh
Larry
As you posted this to alt.atheism, I'd like to answer as an atheist from
an atheist community....
Much to your dismay, I assume, you'll find the abortion of a child who
belongs to this Earth, a part of its natural evolution, an extension of
every human ever born, in the natural world, MUCH more abhorrant to the
atheist as it is to any GUILT-RIDDEN, Brainwashed theist....WHO MUST,
NOTICE TO ALT.ABORTION: This post was sent to alt.atheism, alt.religion
and talk.abortion as well as your newsgroup. Everyone needs to add all
4 groups to posts as the poster only wanted replies to alt.abortion for
his own agenda and purposes. I'm on alt.atheism and we, as a group, are
staunch enemies of abortion, which goes against NATURE as there is no
god....much to theists' astonishment who posted this to alt.atheism to
try to further their cause that atheists are horrible people and should
be murdered by genocide. Nothing could be further from the truth and
here's why:
FOR HIS/HER OWN PROTECTION, hide the "bastard child", as theists call
them spawned out of the religions "wedlock" (permission of the
controlling clergy to spawn them), are called.
We atheists, on the other hand, suffer no such horrible "abomination"
you call SIN, for the simple act of coupling a passing, very
cooperative, horny female in the most natural act of propagating the
species. If the theist's coupling this passing female results in a
birth, it's an abomination against his god to let this child be born
OUT-OF-WEDLOCK. If the atheist, on the other hand, is successful in
propagating the species, the atheist is under no such pressure as sin or
shame or abomination against anyone, including the lucky female who has
answered nature's call to breed. The atheist needs not HIDE his new
child from the scowling eyes of the old ladies of the church's womens'
club or from the Sunday congregation that has been muffling their
horrible ire against the new daddy since the herd found out "she's
pregnant!" The new atheist child is brought into the world, CEMENTING
the NATURAL BOND between its parents...WITHOUT the permission of some
stupid clergy or its dogma and superstitions. The parents proffer the
new child to the atheist community proudly, with honor and WONDER, as
NATURE, not some clergy asshole in a robe shaking his finger at them,
intended. Noone is shamed. A new atheist child has been born! His
atheist life, natural to the Earth, to his species, is ready to take his
place among the living!
Should the new atheist child be left too long in the attention of the
atheist community, however, he IS IN GRAVE DANGER! I've seen it, first
hand! Atheists, unlike those bastards sitting in the pews of your
church who will shun the "bastard child" you spawned out-of-wedlock,
WILL SPOIL THE NEW CHILD HORRIBLY, fawning over him/her, carrying the
new baby around as if THEY were the new parent or grandparent! The poor
little kid doesn't have TWO sets of spoiling grandparents, he has TOO
MANY! The child will never recover showered with love and affection
from a whole COMMUNITY of loving atheists! They all can't WAIT to get
their hands on him when it's "their turn".
The child, of course, needs no "education" (Brainwashing) to some
fantasy religion. Children are born atheists! They don't need
indoctrination in something that never existed. This has certain
disturbing implications for stiff-collared theists who may come in
contact with the atheist child, especially the small ones. The main
problem is usually NAKED. Children of atheists are usually not SHAMED
by some religion's dogma that their bodies are to be abhorred, hidden
and ALWAYS CLOTHED. This artificial religious nonsense isn't
natural....NUDISM IS! Nudist children, who come mostly from non-
religious families (They may not call themselves atheists because they
simply never think about religions.)....Nudist children are probably the
happiest children you'll ever encounter! They have nothing to hide.
They are NEVER ashamed of how they look, even if they are BUTT UGLY!
It's uncanny. They are not indoctrinated that the OTHER naked children
are to be pointed at as horrible sinners! This, of course, leads to a
very outgoing and unshy, demeanor with very high self-esteem. Even some
theists' children exhibit this "horrible defect", as theists see it.
The kids come home from school, forced to wear some horrible uniform as
part of the indoctrination, they barely clear the front door before they
are shedding the horrible itchy wrappings on their way to the kitchen
for snacks. Theists are taught to visualize this horrible, disgusting,
SEXUAL vision of sexual abuse. Until the kid is old enough to respond
to the same stupid dogma his theist parents bear, they have no shame or
guilt or any of that religious BAGGAGE. There's not a sexual thought at
all! It feels good to be naked!
Atheist kids not taught of shame or guilt of their natural bodies are
hard to keep clothed if the weather's warm. They get to the lake house,
jump out of the car, shed their coverings running through grandma's
house, barge out the front door as naked as they were born running down
the dock into the lake! I'm real sorry, but I was that way until I was
a teenager! My atheist cousins, naked and screaming, were trying to
beat me down the dock!
You cannot believe how great that feels, by the way....(c;]
--
Larry
I'm sure atheists abort children, too...but never for the shameful
religious reasons of guilt or sin or hell or any of that stupid
nonsense. I know of no atheists who have aborted, and many who have
ADOPTED...if you can get the damned theists out of the way from blocking
it on "moral grounds" because we refuse to horrify our kids with blood
and murder and genocide and nailing hands to crosses...damn them.
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Spartakus
In all the time I've been connected to the internets, I've only seen
one poem about abortion that had any literary merit. This wasn't it.
"Sperm feels great coming down the duct"
Good Gawd!
Gwen Bennet
I'm a poet; and needless to say that this is NOT poetry of any
literary merit, not even remotely close in any way shape or form--
it's just the wet, murderous fantasy of a sick fuck.
Gwen Bennet
Indeed.
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Even Vogons would puke themselves to death if they were forced to hear
that one.
pnyikos
> jrh <n...@spam.com> wrote innews:Xns9CCCEAD22...@69.16.185.247:
>
>
>
> > P1 Death Comes to Love
>
> > Two lovers met, embraced and past
> > a casual affair not meant to last.
> > When the time for choice came no choice was made
> > could think no further than getting laid.
>
> > The seeds of life though sowed in jest
> > start to grow as if meant to last.
>
> > Snuggled within her womb
> > forms of consciousness take the shape
> > of the life she will forsake.
>
> > "Who can I find to cut the cord and set me free
> > by killing the being who lives in me."
>
> > The heart is beating, now it's not
> > as the new life is forced to stop.
>
> > For thoughtless sex a minor cost we have to pay
> > but of the unborn who of you can say.
>
> > Sperm feels great coming down the duct
> > how does the knife feel as he cuts the fetus up.
>
> > This I do not know and can not say
> > but to how the unborn feels
> > as it's life slips away
> > it's the same as any human
> > on their final day
>
> > jrh
Bravo! author! author!
> As you posted this to alt.atheism, I'd like to answer as an atheist from
> an atheist community....
>
> Much to your dismay, I assume, you'll find the abortion of a child who
> belongs to this Earth, a part of its natural evolution, an extension of
> every human ever born, in the natural world, MUCH more abhorrant to the
> atheist as it is to any GUILT-RIDDEN, Brainwashed theist.
That may be true, on the average, but why are so many atheists pro-
choice? True, there are notable exceptions, like Doris Gordon, a very
likable atheist who was the leader of Libertarians for Life when I met
her in 1992.
> I'm on alt.atheism and we, as a group, are
> staunch enemies of abortion, which goes against NATURE as there is no
> god....much to theists' astonishment who posted this to alt.atheism to
> try to further their cause that atheists are horrible people and should
> be murdered by genocide.
HUH??? Where do you get this motivation out of what jrh posted?
> FOR HIS/HER OWN PROTECTION, hide the "bastard child", as theists call
> them spawned out of the religions "wedlock" (permission of the
> controlling clergy to spawn them), are called.
That long ago ceased to be the main motivation of pro-lifers, even the
theists among them.
> We atheists, on the other hand, suffer no such horrible "abomination"
> you call SIN, for the simple act of coupling a passing, very
> cooperative, horny female in the most natural act of propagating the
> species. If the theist's coupling this passing female results in a
> birth, it's an abomination against his god to let this child be born
> OUT-OF-WEDLOCK.
Fundies who take the Bible that literally are a decided minority even
among Christians.
If the atheist, on the other hand, is successful in
> propagating the species, the atheist is under no such pressure as sin or
> shame or abomination against anyone, including the lucky female who has
> answered nature's call to breed. The atheist needs not HIDE his new
> child from the scowling eyes of the old ladies of the church's womens'
> club or from the Sunday congregation that has been muffling their
> horrible ire against the new daddy since the herd found out "she's
> pregnant!" The new atheist child is brought into the world, CEMENTING
> the NATURAL BOND between its parents...WITHOUT the permission of some
> stupid clergy or its dogma and superstitions.
Different strokes for different folks, I say, having been an agnostic
for several years and coming to my own pro-life policy based on an
agnostic world-view.
[...]
> I'm sure atheists abort children, too...but never for the shameful
> religious reasons of guilt or sin or hell or any of that stupid
> nonsense. I know of no atheists who have aborted, and many who have
> ADOPTED...if you can get the damned theists out of the way from blocking
> it on "moral grounds"
Are you suggesting that there are laws or customs against letting
atheists adopt just because they are atheists? Very sad, if true.
>because we refuse to horrify our kids with blood
> and murder and genocide and nailing hands to crosses...damn them.
It wasn't Christians who nailed Jesus, Peter, and Andrew to crosses,
you know.
And Pol Pot was no theist.
Peter Nyikos
SkyEyes
<Snip doggerl>
> This I do not know and can not say
> but to how the unborn feels
> as it's life slips away
> it's the same as any human
> on their final day
Newsflash: fetii don't "feel" anything, since the human nervous
system isn't hooked up and working until shortly before birth.
And sentiment aside, you write very bad verse. It doesn't scan. You
get a D minus.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
SkyEyes
> jrh <n...@spam.com> wrote innews:Xns9CCCEAD22...@69.16.185.247:
You do now. I didn't want children, ever, with anyone, under any
circumstances. And my birth control (two forms of it!) failed.
> and many who have
> ADOPTED...if you can get the damned theists out of the way from blocking
> it on "moral grounds" because we refuse to horrify our kids with blood
> and murder and genocide and nailing hands to crosses...damn them.
And BTW: adoption ain't such a wonderful fairy tale, either. The
vast majority of adopted children don't feel themselves to be part of
their adopted family. Many intuit the fact of their adoption even
before their parents tell them about it.
Adopted children are also over-represented in both prisons and
psychiatric facilities, and have a higher-than-average drop-out rate
in school.
And we won't even talk about the 800-pound gorilla in the room, human
overpopulation.
The fact is, abortion is a *damn good and necessary thing*.
panam...@hotmail.com
snip crap
We've already discussed your moronic "parables":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/dec9b2041391b7f6
-PF, Atl.
2015/KoBAAWA!
The Chief Instigator
> On Nov 24, 1:05?am, jrh <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>> P1 ? Death Comes to Love
He's almost as mindless as Duke.
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Robibnikoff
"SkyEyes" <skye...@cox.net> wrote
>And BTW: adoption ain't such a wonderful fairy tale, either. The
>vast majority of adopted children don't feel themselves to be part of
>their adopted family. Many intuit the fact of their adoption even
>before their parents tell them about it.
>
>Adopted children are also over-represented in both prisons and
>psychiatric facilities, and have a higher-than-average drop-out rate
>in school.
Yeah, thanks for bringing this up. At least thanks for not mentioning the
adoptee serial killers :P
--
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Frank Mayhar
> "SkyEyes" <skye...@cox.net> wrote
>>And BTW: adoption ain't such a wonderful fairy tale, either. The vast
>>majority of adopted children don't feel themselves to be part of their
>>adopted family. Many intuit the fact of their adoption even before
>>their parents tell them about it.
>>
>>Adopted children are also over-represented in both prisons and
>>psychiatric facilities, and have a higher-than-average drop-out rate in
>>school.
>
> Yeah, thanks for bringing this up. At least thanks for not mentioning
> the adoptee serial killers :P
Generalizations are useful. Except when they're not.
(An ex-girlfriend had a daughter who was adopted. One of the most
secure, emotionally strong people I've ever known, for all that she was
ten the last time I saw her. If she's not done well, the only reason
would be her mother's various addictions and quite definitely not the
fact of her adoption. BTW, she knew she was adopted from the getgo; her
mother couldn't have kids of her own thanks to the DES her mother took
when she was pregnant.)
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SkyEyes
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:14:58 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:
> >>And BTW: adoption ain't such a wonderful fairy tale, either. The vast
> >>majority of adopted children don't feel themselves to be part of their
> >>adopted family. Many intuit the fact of their adoption even before
> >>their parents tell them about it.
>
> >>Adopted children are also over-represented in both prisons and
> >>psychiatric facilities, and have a higher-than-average drop-out rate in
> >>school.
>
> > Yeah, thanks for bringing this up. At least thanks for not mentioning
> > the adoptee serial killers :P
>
> Generalizations are useful. Except when they're not.
>
> (An ex-girlfriend had a daughter who was adopted. One of the most
> secure, emotionally strong people I've ever known, for all that she was
> ten the last time I saw her. If she's not done well, the only reason
> would be her mother's various addictions and quite definitely not the
> fact of her adoption. BTW, she knew she was adopted from the getgo; her
> mother couldn't have kids of her own thanks to the DES her mother took
> when she was pregnant.)
I'm adopted as well, and like your ex's daughter, I've always known I
was adopted. In my family, it was considered to be a perfectly
normal, ordinary thing that was talked about quite freely and
regularly. Not telling the child - or not telling the child "until s/
he's old enough to understand" - is the *worst* thing to do with an
adoptive child. Tell 'em early, tell 'em often: that way there's no
shock and no feeling of deception involved.
Brenda
Robibnikoff
"Frank Mayhar" <fr...@exit.com> wrote in message
news:oq7ut6-...@jill.exit.com...
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:14:58 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:
>
>> "SkyEyes" <skye...@cox.net> wrote
>>>And BTW: adoption ain't such a wonderful fairy tale, either. The vast
>>>majority of adopted children don't feel themselves to be part of their
>>>adopted family. Many intuit the fact of their adoption even before
>>>their parents tell them about it.
>>>
>>>Adopted children are also over-represented in both prisons and
>>>psychiatric facilities, and have a higher-than-average drop-out rate in
>>>school.
>>
>> Yeah, thanks for bringing this up. At least thanks for not mentioning
>> the adoptee serial killers :P
>
> Generalizations are useful. Except when they're not.
Yeah, I have a personal pet peeve about generalizations about adoptees. Have
you noticed? ;)
I've had a lot of that adoptee shit thrown at me and I'm not saying that it
doesn't apply to some, because it does, but whenever I said it didn't apply
to me personally, I always had some asshole saying I was "in denial".
> (An ex-girlfriend had a daughter who was adopted. One of the most
> secure, emotionally strong people I've ever known, for all that she was
> ten the last time I saw her. If she's not done well, the only reason
> would be her mother's various addictions and quite definitely not the
> fact of her adoption. BTW, she knew she was adopted from the getgo; her
> mother couldn't have kids of her own thanks to the DES her mother took
> when she was pregnant.)
I always knew I was adopted too. It really was never a big whoop dee do
until I went looking for my bio family and had some rejection BS going on
there. Still, one of the advantages of being adopted is that adoptive
parents are usually well off - or at least more financially stable than the
birthmother. My adoptive parents left me an f'ing bundle! ;)
jrh
08a669...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 23, 11:05�pm, jrh <n...@spam.com> wrote:
> <Snip doggerl>
>> This I do not know and can not say
>> but to how the unborn feels
>> as it's life slips away
>> it's the same as any human
>> on their final day
> Newsflash: fetii don't "feel" anything, since the human nervous
> system isn't hooked up and working until shortly before birth.
How important is belief in that lie?
Babies start kicking long before birth,
the nervous system is up and running.
Watch the Silent Scream with an open mind
and you may comprehend the child's terror!
Why do you think it tries to escape the suction tube?
You don't need ESP to know it doesn't feel good
having ones limbs ripped off.
The feeling of impending death isn't the same as physical pain.
The spiritual pain for those who cut off children's limbs
will be inconprehensibly worse and never ending.
jrh
The Chief Instigator
> SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote in news:0b8e197f-08e5-414f-a83b-
> 08a669...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>> <Snip doggerl>
>
>>> This I do not know and can not say
>>> but to how the unborn feels
>>> as it's life slips away
>>> it's the same as any human
>>> on their final day
>
>> Newsflash: fetii don't "feel" anything, since the human nervous
>> system isn't hooked up and working until shortly before birth.
>
> How important is belief in that lie?
>
> Babies start kicking long before birth, the nervous system is up and
> running. Watch the Silent Scream with an open mind and you may comprehend
> the child's terror!
You are supremely stupid, anonymous coward. The woman gets to decide
whether she completes or aborts the pregnancy - not an asshole such as
yourself. After the second trimester, most US states put restrictions on
that, but the truth is, the number of third-trimester elective abortions for
reasons other than medical necessity to save the life of the mother are
almost non-existent. Women don't carry a pregnancy for 36 weeks and decide
they want to abort. They'll have made their decision earlier, and carry
through with it. How old *are* you? I was seventeen the day SCOTUS
announced Roe v. Wade. Shut up and live with reality.
> Why do you think it tries to escape the suction tube?
You're a generalizing moron, Just Really Hopeless.
> You don't need ESP to know it doesn't feel good having ones limbs ripped
> off.
You barely show any evidence of _sensory_ perception, kid.
> The feeling of impending death isn't the same as physical pain.
> The spiritual pain for those who cut off children's limbs
> will be inconprehensibly worse and never ending.
So, you're going to grow up to be another Scott Roeder?
jrh
news:f923475e-7919-4dd4...@m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
> Bravo! author! author!
>> As you posted this to alt.atheism, I'd like to answer
>> as an atheist from an atheist community....
>> Much to your dismay, I assume, you'll find the abortion of a child
>> who belongs to this Earth, a part of its natural evolution, an
>> extension of every human ever born, in the natural world, MUCH more
>> abhorrant to the atheist as it is to any GUILT-RIDDEN, Brainwashed
>> theist.
> That may be true, on the average, but why are so many atheists pro-
> choice? True, there are notable exceptions, like Doris Gordon,
> a very likable atheist who was the leader of Libertarians for Life
> when I met her in 1992.
Bernard Nathanson began opposing abortion when he was an atheist.
Nat Hentoff, an atheist, opposes abortion.
>> I'm on alt.atheism and we, as a group, are staunch enemies of
>> abortion, which goes against NATURE
True! Theists believe the child can get another chance,
for the atheist it's eternal death.
>> as there is no god.... <clip>
God is a concept not a thing. Little "god" is our internal guide
to correct living. Atheists, not believing in God, must come up with
an internal guide on their own. Most theists follow the tenants of
a religion, but the Catholic faith believes ones conscience is the
highest
authority, and the duty of parents and the Church is to form it according
to
God's Word as interpreted by the tradition of the Church.
>> ..... that atheists are horrible people <clip>
Not at all!
Atheist are just people without a concept of God!
jrh
jrh
news:1ce04c19-2770-4647...@e4g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
>> As you posted this to alt.atheism, I'd like to answer as an atheist
>> from an atheist community.... <clip>
>> Larry
--------------------------------------
>>>> jrh wrote in a prior post:
>>>> Ignorance, by the Self Righteous, Begets Evil.
>>>> The first chapter of the Bible tells of the sin that cursed us and
>>>> the shame of our nakedness that error spawned. We still suffer
>>>> from that same sin, still committing it, forcing our will
>>>> on others. The criminalization of sin does not prevent sin, instead
>>>> it undermines the concept of sin, and empowers those who seek
>>>> to destroy the moral foundations of society.
Is it a sin for a person to kill a being the same as they once
were? If abortion is a sin, should it be a crime? Should all sin
be criminalized? Anti abortion groups want to criminalize the sin
of abortion, and pro abortion groups do not. Should there be any
limits on the jurisdiction of the state. Is what happens within
ones own body a persons responsibility, or should the government
have no bounds?
>>>> It is written in the bible that we can not place our gods, before
>>>> the One True God, the God of Love, yet churches using their
>>>> knowledge of "good and evil", came to judge others and through the
>>>> years they have passed laws that brutalize, and imprison those who
>>>> don't meet their standards of right and wrong.
If pro life groups get their way and define abortion as murder,
should women who abort get the death penalty, or at least a long
prison sentence? If not, what will the legal grounds be for not
prosecuting women who kill their unborn children?
>>>> Christians have long formed coalitions against pornography, child
>>>> sexuality, homosexuality, nudity, drugs, and many other vises.
>>>> These coalitions are responsible for the "fruits" of the repressive
>>>> laws established to punish these sins. The error of human
>>>> vengeance, is a great source of power for evil. Satan, the god
>>>> of error, is served well by "christians" use of fear.
In abortion a human life is destroyed and protecting human life
is a good goal but what is the rationalization for criminaling
other "vices"
>>>> Being against sin is good, the error is the false belief that fear
>>>> can be used to make a better world. Punishment and fear do not
>>>> stop degeneracy, they promote it. The more fear, prison and
>>>> execution, are used to make things "better", the worse things
become.
Will putting women in prison for harming unborn children make things
better?
>>>> A mutated form of puritanism, has turned the power of sex and
>>>> drugs over to criminals, who use them to destroy and enslave an
>>>> ever increasing number of people. The self righteous prohibition
>>>> lets "good" people delude themselves into thinking something
>>>> positive has been accomplished, but in the end it corrupts and
>>>> contributes to the growing decadence, while funneling billions
>>>> into organized crime.
Before the Court legalized abortion, unmarried girls were punished
for having sex (children) and criminals who scraped the unwanted embryos
and fetuses from their wombs using unsanitary tools were if caught
after committing the most heinous crime, let off with a slap on the
wrist.
>>>> This ignorant response to sin, proves to those who follow the
>>>> harmful paths, that "Christianity" is wrong. It shows that
>>>> "Christian Religion" is not about Love and Truth, but about
>>>> repression and fear. It is sad, the blindness and pride of those
>>>> striving to live good Christian lives are feeding the power of
>>>> Satan.
>>>> In the short span of the last hundred years mankind's trend
>>>> towards oblivion has been accelerating. Many Christians believe
>>>> that the final judgement is at hand, and that God will "save" them
>>>> from the growing evil, blind to their role in it's making.
>>>> It will be difficult to reverse this trend, because those who
>>>> "know" they are "saved" are the ones with the greatest sin, the
>>>> sin of pride. We are all sinners, let only those without sin,
>>>> cast stones is the Lord's commandment. Backlash against
>>>> the oppression of sinners by "Christians" is the major cause
>>>> of the political climate that led to the rejection of God's law.
>>>> The blood of this nations children is on everyone's hands.
In other words if Christians hadn't had such a puritanical viev of
sex and focused of helping women with problem pregnancies, rather
than punishing them, abortion would never have become legal.
>>>> When Christians find the correct way we deal with sex,
>>>> drugs and sin, the process of healing can begin,
>>>> without Love guiding us, there is no hope.
In other words, sexuality is a very important part of life,
and it is not healthy to raise children in a sexual vacuum.
The repression of human sexuality has created a horrible mess....
----------------
NFP won't fail if it's followed correctly! Unfortunately Big Pharm
has suppressed it's development so they can make billions pushing
their ineffective abortive steroids that cause cancer and a lot of other
problems.
>> and many who have ADOPTED...if you can get the damned theists out of
>> the way from blocking it on "moral grounds" because we refuse to
>> horrify our kids with blood and murder and genocide and nailing
>> hands to crosses...damn them.
Your anger is focused wrong, everyone is deceived by Satan, especially
religious people. Unfortunately most of them are in denial. When
I saw one wearing an EX-SINNER t-shirt I had to laugh at the
stupid arrogance of the statement.
> And BTW: adoption ain't such a wonderful fairy tale, either. The
> vast majority of adopted children don't feel themselves to be part of
> their adopted family. Many intuit the fact of their adoption even
> before their parents tell them about it.
Open adoption is the best way to go, the more guardians and caring
people a child has the better.
> Adopted children are also over-represented in both prisons and
> psychiatric facilities, and have a higher-than-average drop-out rate
> in school.
Being abandoned causes injury some have difficulty recovering from.
Love and freedom are the answers.
> And we won't even talk about the 800-pound gorilla in the room, human
> overpopulation.
Overpopulation is a myth, created by ignorant twits who control
the Worlds wealth and unconsciously retard development to protect their
holdings. We are overpopulated with cars not people. Cars use more
resources each year than many people do in their lifetimes. A system
one thousand percent more efficient could have been designed and
built twenty years ago had it been funded, but that would have ended
the oil monopoly and the power base for the Capitalists who control it,
So it was suppressed, and 1830's technology at inflated prices
has been used in it's place. .
> The fact is, abortion is a *damn good and necessary thing*.
Killing a human child at any age is evil!
jrh
Ray Fischer
>> system isn't hooked up and working until shortly before birth.
>
>How important is belief in that lie?
Pro-liars think that an embryo without a brain cares and feels what
happens to it.
>Babies start kicking long before birth,
>the nervous system is up and running.
The brain isn't capable of consciousness until about the 7th month.
>Watch the Silent Scream with an open mind
It is a lie and anybody gullible to believe it either has never had
children or is a complete moron.
>Why do you think it tries to escape the suction tube?
IT DOESN'T!
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
W.T.S.
> SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote in news:0b8e197f-08e5-414f-a83b-
> 08a669...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
>> <Snip doggerl>
>>> This I do not know and can not say
>>> but to how the unborn feels
>>> as it's life slips away
>>> it's the same as any human
>>> on their final day
>> Newsflash: fetii don't "feel" anything, since the human nervous
>> system isn't hooked up and working until shortly before birth.
> How important is belief in that lie?
> Babies start kicking long before birth,
> the nervous system is up and running.
> Watch the Silent Scream with an open mind
> and you may comprehend the child's terror!
> Why do you think it tries to escape the suction tube?
> You don't need ESP to know it doesn't feel good
> having ones limbs ripped off.
> The feeling of impending death isn't the same as physical pain.
> The spiritual pain for those who cut off children's limbs
> will be inconprehensibly worse and never ending.
> jrh
that needs, wants and deserves to be tortured to death it's fetus filth.
Just for having the audacity to be concieved, it's filthy head should be
stuck in a bunsen burner very slowly and the squirming recorded on film so
normal, decent adults can take pleasure later on seeing justice done to the
damned child. Children destroy the lives and happiness of adults. And, not
just parents! Everyone of us suffers from higher taxes, higher cost of
living, increased crime and violence everytime a child is allowed to be
born. We don't even have enough water to go around anymore, what little we
have is poluted by child filth being allowed into the world. God damn all
the children to Hell forever!
Baby, bad. Abortion, good!
Spartakus
[--crappy poetry--]
> Bravo! author! author!
It appears that you value political self-justification over
aesthetics. Or even competency.
chloe
"Snuggled within her womb
forms of consciousness take the shape
of the life she will forsake. "
Nice try. You should have regarded the forsake-ness prior to
thinking no further. Since it's all about you....yup. Stupid, stupid
thoughtless you. And yet feeling somehow entitled to have an
opinion. You don't get to have it both ways.
On Nov 24, 1:05 am, jrh <n...@spam.com> wrote:
> P1 Death Comes to Love
>
> Two lovers met, embraced and past
> a casual affair not meant to last.
> When the time for choice came no choice was made
> could think no further than getting laid.
>
> The seeds of life though sowed in jest
> start to grow as if meant to last.
>
> Snuggled within her womb
> forms of consciousness take the shape
> of the life she will forsake.
>
> "Who can I find to cut the cord and set me free
> by killing the being who lives in me."
>
> The heart is beating, now it's not
> as the new life is forced to stop.
>
> For thoughtless sex a minor cost we have to pay
> but of the unborn who of you can say.
>
> Sperm feels great coming down the duct
> how does the knife feel as he cuts the fetus up.
>
> This I do not know and can not say
> but to how the unborn feels
> as it's life slips away
> it's the same as any human
> on their final day
>
> jrh
The Chief Instigator
> "could think no further than getting laid"
>
> "Snuggled within her womb forms of consciousness take the shape of the
> life she will forsake. "
>
> Nice try. You should have regarded the forsake-ness prior to thinking
> no further. Since it's all about you....yup. Stupid, stupid thoughtless
> you. And yet feeling somehow entitled to have an opinion. You don't get
> to have it both ways.
The funnyperson calling itself "jrh" can't even figure out how to get it
*one* way. I've only been pro-choice for 40 years, and my wife has been so
about as long...and she's been pregnant once. The daughter that was born
turned 34 last Monday, and she's pro-choice - and has been pregnant three
times, each one resulting in a live birth. (The oldest is fifteen, the
youngest is three.) "jrh" needs a hobby that doesn't make him look like the
flagrant idiot he's presented himself as.
("jrh"'s tortured incomprehension of English dumped to the bit bucket)
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
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chloe
all about you. Blam the girl. There's a surprise.
On Nov 24, 1:05 am, jrh <n...@spam.com> wrote:
> P1 Death Comes to Love
>
> Two lovers met, embraced and past
> a casual affair not meant to last.
> When the time for choice came no choice was made
> could think no further than getting laid.
>
> The seeds of life though sowed in jest
> start to grow as if meant to last.
>
> Snuggled within her womb
> forms of consciousness take the shape
> of the life she will forsake.
>
Spartakus
> SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
> > Newsflash: fetii don't "feel" anything, since the human nervous
> > system isn't hooked up and working until shortly before birth.
> How important is belief in that lie?
SkyEyes is correct. And there's tons of medical research backing her
up.
> Babies start kicking long before birth,
> the nervous system is up and running.
> Watch the Silent Scream with an open mind
> and you may comprehend the child's terror!
>
> Why do you think it tries to escape the suction tube?
Have you ever noticed that when you sit in the bathtub, and push your
hand towards a floating object (like a rubber duck) that the floating
object
moves away from you? Do you think this is because the rubber duck
"senses aggression" and wildly attempts to escape your hand? Or is
this simply a matter of fluid dynamics?
There are misrepresentations of medical facts and outright lies by the
boatload in "Silent Scream". Don't waste our time with that jive.
chloe
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:13:13 +0000, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> >jrh <n...@spam.com> wrote innews:Xns9CCCEAD22...@69.16.185.247:
> >an atheist community....
>
> >belongs to this Earth, a part of its natural evolution, an extension of
> >every human ever born, in the natural world, MUCH more abhorrant to the
> >NOTICE TO ALT.ABORTION: This post was sent to alt.atheism, alt.religion
> >and talk.abortion as well as your newsgroup. Everyone needs to add all
> >4 groups to posts as the poster only wanted replies to alt.abortion for
> >his own agenda and purposes.
> >staunch enemies of abortion,
>
> pro-choice I challenge your presumption to speak for myself and other
> atheist.The only argument against abortion is based on religious
> beliefs. Abortions are common as hell in nature. Misscarriages are a
> dime a dozen. It's nature way of culling. Granted atheist seldom have
> or try to force their lovers to have an abortion. And most all of
> those I know have always been very careful to avoid a unwanted
> pregnancy.
>
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As a staunch atheist, who is pro-choice. Who's atheist friends are
all
pro-choice I challenge
oooh, and what a challenge for...just guessing....a man. Pro-choice
is so easy for men....just a shake
SkyEyes
I'm a *woman*, and I'm pro-choice. Got a question about that, chloe
dear?
Robibnikoff
"SkyEyes" <skye...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Me too, as was my mother and her mother before her, also my sisters and
SILs.
The Chief Instigator
> On Nov 25, 12:21?pm, Rob Par <rob...@mypbmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:13:13 +0000, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>> >jrh <n...@spam.com> wrote innews:Xns9CCCEAD22...@69.16.185.247:
>>
>> >and talk.abortion as well as your newsgroup. ?Everyone needs to add all
>> >4 groups to posts as the poster only wanted replies to alt.abortion for
>> >his own agenda and purposes.
>> > I'm on alt.atheism and we, as a group, are
>> >staunch enemies of abortion,
>>
>> As a staunch atheist, who is pro-choice. Who's atheist friends are all
>> pro-choice I challenge your presumption to speak for myself and other
>> atheist.The only argument against abortion is based on religious beliefs.
>> Abortions are common as hell in nature. Misscarriages are a dime a
>> dozen. It's nature way of culling. Granted atheist seldom have or try
>> to force their lovers to have an abortion. And most all of those I know
>> have always been very careful to avoid a unwanted pregnancy.
>>
>> >astonishment who posted this to alt.atheism to try to further their
>> >cause that atheists are horrible people and should be murdered by
>> >genocide. Nothing could be further from the truth and here's why:
>>
>> >FOR HIS/HER OWN PROTECTION, hide the "bastard child", as theists call
>> >them spawned out of the religions "wedlock" (permission of the
>> >controlling clergy to spawn them), are called.
>>
>> >We atheists, on the other hand, suffer no such horrible "abomination"
>> >you call SIN, for the simple act of coupling a passing, very
>> >cooperative, horny female in the most natural act of propagating the
>> >birth, it's an abomination against his god to let this child be born
>> >propagating the species, the atheist is under no such pressure as sin or
>> >shame or abomination against anyone, including the lucky female who has
>> >child from the scowling eyes of the old ladies of the church's womens'
>> >club or from the Sunday congregation that has been muffling their
>> >horrible ire against the new daddy since the herd found out "she's
>> >the NATURAL BOND between its parents...WITHOUT the permission of some
>> >new child to the atheist community proudly, with honor and WONDER, as
>> >NATURE, not some clergy asshole in a robe shaking his finger at them,
>> >atheist life, natural to the Earth, to his species, is ready to take his
>> >place among the living!
>>
>> >Should the new atheist child be left too long in the attention of the
>> >hand! ?Atheists, unlike those bastards sitting in the pews of your
>> >church who will shun the "bastard child" you spawned out-of-wedlock,
>> >WILL SPOIL THE NEW CHILD HORRIBLY, fawning over him/her, carrying the
>> >poor little kid doesn't have TWO sets of spoiling grandparents, he has
>> >affection from a whole COMMUNITY of loving atheists! ?They all can't
>> >WAIT to get their hands on him when it's "their turn".
>>
>> >The child, of course, needs no "education" (Brainwashing) to some
>> >indoctrination in something that never existed. ?This has certain
>> >disturbing implications for stiff-collared theists who may come in
>> >problem is usually NAKED. ?Children of atheists are usually not SHAMED
>> >by some religion's dogma that their bodies are to be abhorred, hidden
>> >natural....NUDISM IS! ?Nudist children, who come mostly from non-
>> >religious families (They may not call themselves atheists because they
>> >simply never think about religions.)....Nudist children are probably the
>> >They are NEVER ashamed of how they look, even if they are BUTT UGLY! ?
>> >It's uncanny. ?They are not indoctrinated that the OTHER naked children
>> >are to be pointed at as horrible sinners! ?This, of course, leads to a
>> >very outgoing and unshy, demeanor with very high self-esteem. ?Even
>> >some theists' children exhibit this "horrible defect", as theists see
>> >uniform as part of the indoctrination, they barely clear the front door
>> >before they are shedding the horrible itchy wrappings on their way to
>> >disgusting, SEXUAL vision of sexual abuse. ?Until the kid is old enough
>> >to respond to the same stupid dogma his theist parents bear, they have
>> >sexual thought at all! ?It feels good to be naked!
>>
>> >Atheist kids not taught of shame or guilt of their natural bodies are
>> >house, jump out of the car, shed their coverings running through
>> >grandma's house, barge out the front door as naked as they were born
>> >way until I was a teenager! ?My atheist cousins, naked and screaming,
>> >were trying to beat me down the dock!
>>
>> >You cannot believe how great that feels, by the way....(c;]
>
> pro-choice I challenge
>
> oooh, and what a challenge for...just guessing....a man. Pro-choice
> is so easy for men....just a shake
Well, I've only been pro-choice for four decades, about the same as my wife
has been...and her daughter turned 34 last week, grew up pro-choice (in
South Dakota, of all places), and she's a mother of three, the oldest of
whom is in her third year of being a teenager. (That ticks off some of the
committed - a few of which are eminently committable - to no end. ;-)
--
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